So I'm a hufflepuff. He says during the quest for the first (?) piece of the triptyc, "there's that hufflepuff loyalty." And I was like "bro, you helped me in the library when you barely knew me... like bffs" haha
I really appreciated the game for giving us Slytherin characters like Sebastian and Ominis. The main series didn’t have an opportunity to have a positive example of Slytherin, so I am happy that things like this are going out of their way to show examples of positive Slytherins.
He was the character whom I couldn't decide was a friend or foe. On one hand, he killed someone, on the other hand, we all feel awful for him. One on hand, he helped us, on the other hand, when we try to help him see a bit of reason, he accuses us of not caring. It's becoming harder to be his friend. And we still want to help him in his time of storm.
I really disliked the way Solomon speaks to people. He was condescending, stubborn, and hypocritical. If he’d been more supportive, I truly think Sebastian wouldn’t have gone down the same path.
Yeah, but to be honest, then there is Ominis, Anne and possibly the player character that try to reason with him about going down that path, and he still does it.
I’m pretty sure Sebastian always wanted to use dark magic, its power always seems to tempt him. The important thing about the curses (which writers seem to forget) is that they are unforgivable because the only way for them to work is if you truly want them too. This is why Ominis never forgives himself self for using crucious, because in order for it to work he had to WANT to inflict immense pain on the innocent his family had kidnapped. you can’t be forced to use them against someone you love, because you would never want to inflict those curses on someone you love.
@@mc.builder8267 The fact that Sebastian has already mastered all three speaks quite a bit about his character and in his mind it´s okay to use them whenever he needs them and he uses them without much regret
@@melindamuller4466 it only takes that one horrible person to alter your life. Sebastian may have wanted to cure Anne all the same, but he may have done it a lot more rationally if his uncle wasn't yelling at him. Plus, his Uncle definitely seemed to be manipulating Anne into wanting her to just die already. I didn't really like Anne either as she sides with her horrible uncle instead of her own twin brother. If she was more receptive than maybe he wouldn't have done all that.
My husband and I had this conversation: we think Solomon had no choice but to reluctantly take in his niece and nephew. They’re a burden to him, and he was literally waiting for Anne to die-one less problem to deal with. Sebastian was getting in the way of that. I don’t think Solomon cared about these kids at all. I felt nothing when Sebastian killed his uncle, only that it's unfortunate that a teenager has to carry that burden for the rest of his life.
Had me in the first half ngl. The Uncle probably didn't like kids and was forced to take care of his niece and nefew. But he probably recognized that the curse was dark magic. And going down that rabbit hole of dealing with dark magic is what left him an angry old bitter man. He wasn't "letting" her die. He recognized that she was going to and there wasn't anything he could do to stop it. Sebastian was dabbling in multiple forms of dark Magic and after The Uncle, His Sister, His new friend(us) and his best friend Ominus all BEGGED and pleaded with him to stop. Sebastian said "Fuck you guys ur all wrong ima do it anyways" and had an army of inferi rising up, and knew all 3 unforgivable curses by the age of 15. Sebastian went to the dark side while claiming he was doing it for the right reasons. Sebastian would've killed everyone in hogwarts and the surrounding hamlets, and killed every magical beast and creature/sentient race on the off chance He MIGHT have saved his sister. The Uncle was 100% in the right for trying to put down the two 15 year Olds who wouldn't listen and kept playing with dark magic. It was his duty as an ex Auror and as his family member/guardian. Sebastian played with fire and was confused and angry when everyone told him that he'd not only get burned. But burn others as well.
@@EvilM0nkeyRulesIt seems to me that you played Sebastian's quests with your eyes closed, honestly. Sebastian is a 15-16 boy trying to find a cure for his sister COMPLETELY ALONE. Precisely because he is the only one who believes that there may still be a cure for Anne, while everyone else is willing to give up on her and simply wait until the moment of her death. Anne is the only family Sebastian has left. You can't blame him for trying to save Anne at all costs. Sebastian lost his parents when he was just a child, and has been suffering at the hands of the universe ever since. Sebastian is a much more complex character than just "a boy who's playing with fire." Look at his life with more empathy and understanding. Salomon was never a good uncle to Sebastian and Anne. He was always aggressive and rude to Sebastian for no reason, instead of just sitting down and talking and offering a little support to his nephew. In addition to Salomon trying to kill the main character and Sebastian, instead of advising the two teenagers, as any normal and healthy adult would do.
@franzita3064 ur so wrong it hurts. He BELIEVES there is a cure. But that doesn't mean there is one. And his belief of a cure leads him to pursue more and more dark magic. It doesn't matter if it's for a good cause. Dark magic is still dark magic. Like raising an army of inferi. Or learning the 3 unforgivable curses. I can blame him because The school, his Uncle, ANNE HERSELF, his best friend, and We the player. All BEGGED him to stop pursing darker magic. But sebastian said "I'm not listening to anyone" and ended up going darkside. He's Anakin going to the dark side hoping to save Padme. He did it wrong and he deserves Azkaban for breaking all the rules, using unforgivable curses, and killing his uncle. Sebastian has plenty of chances this whole game to turn back and chose the light side. He chose to go darker. And in the end he did not end up saving Anne. The inferi triangle wouldn't have saved her. He was a man who was consumed with a task and would've murdered every single person in hogwarts to save Anne. Not realizing he had become a dark wizard and was on the path to becoming Rockwood. Sebastian is a tragic tale but he deserved punishment in the end. He made his choices and killed in anger. He wouldn't listen to anyone and kept going down the path of the darkside. Ominus begged him to stop and he said "Nah I can keep going". He burned every bridge around him not realizing that he left himself alone on an island. YOU didn't pay attention to his story because you felt for him. Not even seeing that he had turned to the dark side and was willing to murder in anger. Did he need to grow horns and a have a forked tongue with red skin and cloven hooves to get you to see he had been broken by life and was becoming evil and justifying bad actions time after time in order to do some good? If you take the emotion out of it and really look at the story you can see he deserved what he got.
Solomon Sallow, former Auror, attacks two 15 year old teens clearly with the intent to kill, instead of *talking* to them. From the moment of my first playthrough I disliked him. This video has only enforced that. A brilliant character study, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I didn't use unforgivable curses in the Solomon fight for two reasons, and neither is ethical in nature. -Self imposed challenge: I didn't want to trivialise the fight -As a fuck you to him: he's attacking two kids with intent to kill and I intended to beat him without unfair advantages as a way to establish dominance
Self defense with an illegal firearm is still a crime. It’s not that he killed his uncle for me it’s that he used one of 3 forbidden unforgivable curses
Sebastian attacked him first. Solomon _was_ talking, and he continued trying to talk after the fight. Sebastian killed him because he wanted to, nothing more. Solomon wasn't going to kill two kids.
@@kirikakirikakirika Solomon is an abussive guardian; children can handleonly so much before they reach their limit and snap. Also, all it takes is for one of his bombardas or diffindos to hit in an unfortunate spot and he'd have a dead child on his hands. If he didn't want to kill he would've stuck to stupefy/basic cast. Personally I don get why the killing curse is unforgivable; it's more humane then blowing or carving someone up or giving them 3rd degree burns and melting the flesh off their bones.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 Contrary to what the game would make you believe, Bombarda and Diffindo do not kill. Bombarda flings you or objects backwards and doesn't do enough damage to kill, and Diffindo does not cut deep enough to kill. That's why they're permissible in _student duels._ Both can be instantly cured by Wiggenweld. Bones can also be healed with Skele-Gro and burns are healed with Star Grass Salve. This all stems from a lack of knowledge of the lore. As I said, Solomon was not trying to kill anyone, he was trying to protect himself. Sebastian attacked him first, and all because he took his _illegal_ Dark Magic artefact from him and destroyed, as Aurors are _supposed_ to do. There's _no excuse_ for murder. And Solomon is _not_ abusive, Sebastian is, especially towards Ominis. Solomon devoted every waking hour to taking care of Anne and trying to keep Sebastian out of trouble. It's a wonder _Solomon_ didn't snap with how often Sebastian nearly got expelled and forced him to pull every string he could to keep him in school. Solomon took Anne to every healer he could find, including the ones in St Mungos (the best hospital in the wizarding world) and spent every day mixing potions to help her with her pain. He and Anne were clearly very close, as she picks him over Sebastian and leaves a note in Feldcroft saying she misses Solomon and doesn't think she'll ever be able to forgive Sebastian. Tell me, why would she feel that way for someone who was "abusing" her brother? Sebastian is an unreliable narrator who blames his uncle for everything, but we can gather from every other character that Solomon is a good man who's simply at his wit's end from dealing with Sebastian's bullsht.
I think Sebastian saying “I like having friends in my debt” wasn’t a manipulation at all. It was his way of saying he considers you a friend and was testing the waters, awaiting your approval.
Great video! Glad this came up on my recommendations :) Sebastian is definitely a complex character. Everything you've highlighted about his personality is why I liked him and don't consider him a bad person, despite killing Solomon at the end. His backstory is really tragic: he watched his parents die, which is devastating on its own. He was then carted off to an unsupportive uncle (who talked down to him and called him as "stubborn" as his dead father - ouch). And then he was faced with the possibility of losing the only family he had left that cared for him, which would have left him all alone with Solomon :/ knowing all that, it made sense why he did everything he did. When he AK'd Solomon, it showed to me how desperate he was not to lose the one family member he loved. I've seen a few people label him as an evil sociopath, when I don't think it's quite as black and white as that - he's a kid who's been dealt a bad hand in life, and who ended up making a horrible, impulsive decision
Sebastian and MC vs. Solomon: It was self defense. Clearly somehow solomon being the ultimate carrier of the relic made it so that inferi didn't attack him (if they did, i surely did not notice that), but were raging against us. And he raged with the inferi against us. Even if Sebastian drew first blood, as the adult in the room, Solomon should have known better than to side with inferi. Inferi want us dead, and that makes Solomon's intentions clear. As such, killing him was in self defense, even if in the scene he was injured, he just did not lay down his wand, and did nothing at all to state that his intention of killing us is gone. He was still holding his wand, and no-one can tell what he would have done if we even turned around. Knowing that we, or at least Sebastian will not stop until finding a cure for his sister, I doubt that Solomon would have done anything short of an unforgivable curse to stop him.
That being said, Sebastian did commit a moral wrong when he imperioed the goblin. It is not in the curse itself, which was a reaction. but, once casted, the curse incapacitates the victim. After that, clearly Sebastian has premeditated his intention, mostly on revenge for goblins cursing his sister. One could argue that this is also self defense, like a muggle shooting a murderer who is attacking a victim. I say yes, but then this is like the defender shooting the first shot, incapacitating the potential murderer, and then taking it one step further with premeditation and finishing the murderer off, effectively reversing the situation. The potential murderer is now a victim. And the once defender is a murderer with premeditation. Also from a defense point of view, your main objective has to be limited to exactly self defense, not the murder. Had Sebastian cast crucio or avada kedavra immediately in this case, it would have been absolutely acceptable. His premeditation of the Goblin to kill himself is what renders the situation a moral wrong.
However, is it an azkaban turn him in kind of wrong?... i think azkaban in itself is morally wrong 😂 so no i don't turn him in for the imperio curse. But i did scold him.
@@nukeplatine Well that's the thing isn't it. Everyone is saying Azkaban this and Azkaban that because we know that is the sentence for this crime. However in the game we are only told he is awaiting trial so its entirely possible the wizengamot might make a different decision e.g. snap his wand given his young age and apparent remorse. Its not actually a choice between hide his crimes and sent him to prison its a choice between hide his crimes and let the legal system judge him.
@@liamwarner5749 i know, but the minimum at this point is he gets expelled, and the thing about unforgivable curses is that they are a one way ticket to azkaban... and Sebastian is facing trial for killing his uncle... with the killing curse.
@@nukeplatine Pretty much my point at a base level. This is someone who has a history of lying and manipulation, who has killed at least two people with two of the three illegal curses, has shown himself to be highly obsessed with his sisters cure. Who did so deliberately after they were defeated, one while begging him to stop and AFTER turning a blind eye to his previous murder. People leap to defend him because he's charismatic and generally charming but I CAN'T trust him because all his repentence seems eerily similar to his justifications of why Ominis shouldn't be told about his research into the dark arts. Perhaps he'll get off with expulsion, perhaps he'll go to Azkaban, perhaps you'll cover up his crime and he'll become a serial killer starting with you as your the biggest threat to him. We don't know and in fact if I remember right his repentence comes after you make the decision to turn him in or not so its technically forknowledge. The thing is for me at the time you need to decide every indication is that keeping quiet is just going to get more people killed in his quest for a cure.
What people always seem to forget is that Sebastian only used two unforgivable curses illegally. As long as it’s not on another human it’s technically legal, many characters in the Harry Potter series used an unforgivable, even Professor Moganagal used Imperio on the Carrows.
Just finished my first play through as a square Ravenclaw. When the choice to turn him in came up, it was one of those moments I had to step back and evaluate things. In the end, I came to the same conclusion as you, Azkaban would do no good. Any potential he had for the future, lost forever. The way I see it, My character would form a new group of Keepers. A group of four consisting of herself, Natty, Poppy, and our boy Sebastian. He has the potential to be the greatest member of the group. He just needs to be watched carefully, and given guidance. The only way his story has a happy ending, is if the player sticks by his side, and make sure he doesn't make the same mistakes again.
The wild thing is that TECHNICALLY Sebastian did not use an unforgivable curse on a HUMAN when he Imperio'd that goblin who was charging at his sister. In the books it's stated that "the use of any one of the Unforgivable Curses is enough to earn you a one-way trip to Azkaban." But again... Seb DIDN'T Imperio a human, so given how... strained... relations were with goblins at the time it would've been easier to excuse Sebastian using reasoning that it was in defense of a loved one and he didn't even cause the target any pain or lasting damage. Solomon's idiocy thinking that nothing could ever cure Anne is purely a plot-driving thing, as even in the Muggle world you can't say what inventions tomorrow may bring, let along the MAGIC world. Wait until he hears about the Wolfsbane potion... oh wait he can't cos he's dead.
The one thing I'd say is that he's only human and any human with a care for others (especially a family member) would do anything to help them. Honestly before playing the game I thought all slytherins are bad, however Seb and Ominous proved otherwise. I wouldn't say Seb is completely innocent, but he doesn't deserve to be put in that Hell hole as he only used the forbidden spells to defend. And though some may argue killing the goblin and his uncle is murder, sometimes to save another you don't have a choice in killing. That's just my personal opinion of course.
I didn't like Solomon from the moment I saw the interaction between him, Sebastian, and Anne. He favors one child while actively pushing away the other, focuses more on his beliefs without even considering those of Sebastian's and Anne's, and dismisses one child's thoughtful determination to help his sister while putting a damper on any hopes or ideas Anne might have in her head of finding a cure for herself. Not the most ideal choice of guardian for kids, especially ones dealing with trauma. This is why healthy communication in families is SO crucial to resolving conflict. How families communicate with one another teaches children how they will communicate with others for the rest of their lives. Parents and guardians set the stage for whether or not their child/children feel comfortable and safe enough to talk with them, so they can express their feelings, concerns, hopes, dreams, and ideas. Children who feel heard, understood, and accepted unconditionally by their parent(s)/guardian(s) are more likely to be resilient in contentious and difficult situations, often becoming reliable peacemakers and mediators in arguments. Otherwise, you end up with something like this tragic turn of events, which is a direct result of a child feeling unheard, unsupported, and unloved in the home. Yes, Sebastian did ultimately CHOOSE to kill his guardian, regardless of the reason(s) why it happened. That's something which cannot be undone, and justice must be served. But it was a slow build-up of poor choices on Solomon's part that brought them both to their consequential ends, which is something Sebastian cannot be wholly responsible for, despite the seriousness of his actions. In my opinion, mercy cannot rob justice, yet justice can be served with mercy. YOU as the player can essentially become the mediator for Sebastian in this conflict, ensuring his actions have consequences while helping him heal and find closure for his past and a semblance of peace in the future. How you choose to fulfill that role is entirely up to you because either way, he has to live with his decision to kill his uncle, and have his sister potentially be fearful of him and/or despise him for the rest of his life. All because Solomon cared more about nursing his stubborn, self-righteous beliefs instead of actually caring for and about his own mentally and emotionally charged niece and nephew.
When I first met Solomon and he wanted to talk to me about Sebastian, I thought he was speaking from the perspective of someone whose seen horrible dark things and truly knew what you lost that you couldn't get back. But then you meet him with any rational level of resistance and he crumbles into "NUH-UH. I'm right because yes."
Sebastian's the big problem was that he has been too obsessed with the idea, that he should do the good for his sister; and knowing how a lot of situations end up when you are fully into doing something and the rest may not value it enough, that has a great portion of realistic theme and consequence.
Never really thought about it… but since the most common “magic word” is abracadabra and the killing curse is avada kadabera, that possibly means a muggle heard someone using the killing curse but misheard it and started using it in a magic show
Thank you! My husband is watching me play. He missed some scenes and does not understand why I’ve tried to kill Solomon and Imelda every time I see them . 😭😭😭 Great video.
Id love to add a different perspecitive. I have a gentic disease that caused my body to kill one of its organs. There is currently no cure and although its manageable a good part of the time im dealing with extreme health effects. Ive been apart of research studies since i was diagnosed. It's been 22 years of having it. Anyways the simple fact that its possible we may discover a cure makes things much easier for me and that hope goes a long way. If i would have had a family memeber telling me i would never be cured that would mentally mess me up. I cant imagine that annes mental health is very good in that situation and their uncle is simply making things so much worse. Granted soloman didnt need to die until he attacked mc for no reason but overall it may be better for annes health
Lets hadd tot eh fact Solomon confine Anne behind magic locks she cant open herself. Solomon is mighty sus already with the death of their parents being an untraceable undetectable poison, that and Solomon is a dark arts user himself. Seb and Anne have a huge mansion, while Solomon forces them to live in a single room cottage on a dead farm.
Imperio would have been fine, if not for the fact he forced the goblin to kill himself. Given his hatred of goblins I have no doubt he felt some sort of satisfaction from it and his sister's horrified expression at the goblin being made to kill himself was a dark moment for the darker half of his actions.
Was defo Sebastian being self-indulgent in that moment. Though it's not like collectively, everyone including Solomon hadn't just killed a bunch of goblins together already
@@SamBram indeed, but it is at the end of the dark incredibly dark to use imperio to force a suicide rather than simply any other form of incapacitation.
@@grandmyotismon I agree. It’s definitely that out of everything that was in his toolbox first. Just like when he tell you the whole game “you have to mean it”, then at the end defends himself saying “he didn’t mean it”.
@@grandmyotismon that goblin* was already posessed with dark magic and it would've kill anne and others again and again, if you're using logic we're killing thousands of them in the game already so... your mc is the true villain omg what to do! Lmao, anyway.
@@basak9746 it was a goblin you tool lol and sabastiam doesn't get plot armour unlike MC. All he had to do was imperio and have the goblin cripple it's self. To stab it's self in the heart Infront of his horrified sister
I’ve said it before about young characters, and I’ll say it again, kids, mostly teenagers, when given or discover something cool or dangerous, they don’t normally think of the consequences in the moment. Examples being Ashoka from Star Wars The Clone Wars series, and Darkstalker from Wings of of Fire: Darkstalker Legends.
The only thing I see there is that there were other options than the killing curse unlike with the Goblin. Not even impero but petrificus totalus would have been enough, then cutting ties with him to find the cure on his own. Not turning him in is the right choice too because he already knows how bad what he did was, plus he clearly doesn't want to go down that path again. He went for the first best option in his eyes without thinking about the consequences. There it is magic and killing instantly but irl it could have been a gun that you shot without realising you can kill with it. Not sure am clear but it was more irrational than intentional. Plus the "you have to mean it" is a bit bullshit. You can mean the same thing but coming different ways. Maybe he wanted him gone, not dead. The fact is magic is a tool and does only what you make it do. He used the wrong words, that's all !
Here's the thing though, the unforgivable curses have had that requirement since at least Goblet of Fire where we get introduced to them for the first time in detail, it's why they're unforgivable. If you're casting Avada Kedavra and you don't explicitly want the person to die, it will fizzle, just like Cruciatus and Imperius will if you don't mean them. Doesn't mean Sebastian isn't irrationally casting it, but in that moment he wanted Solomon dead or the spell wouldn't have gone off. If you want to use a gun analogy, it's more like picking up an unloaded bolt-action rifle, loading a round, then aiming and firing it at someone, than it is picking up a semi-automatic pistol with your finger in the trigger guard.
@@TripleBarrel06 I see what you're saying but that means Snape really wanted dumbledore dead ? Maybe because he asked him to but the way you look at it he cred about him but he wouldn't kill him because he loathe him. I think it's trickier than just "mean it" then it works, more likely it will be effective or more effective if you mean it, like crucio barely inflicting pain when you're not sure. The fact is avada is instant kill so there is no in between I guess XD
I think people are conflating "malicious intent" with just "intent". Snape intended to kill Dumbledore because that was his duty, which isn't an inherently malicious intent. Sebastian intended to kill Solomon because he is overcome with emotional turmoil in the moment, and also because there was a very real threat of violence or even death had he not acted. However, I am worried that of all the spells he knows, his go-tos when in survival mode happen to be the Unforgivables. That's probably evidence of a little bit of corruption sinking in, but I can't prove that.
To your point about adding the dialogue option to thank Sebastian, I just wanted to say that the game developers (despite giving you the option to not turn him in) CLEARLY wanted to paint him as the bad guy and almost seemingly try to coerce you into betraying him. Everything about the way the story is presented and the tone of his actions, the music, the reaction from every other character paints an incredibly clear picture that the game devs obviously wanted him to seem like a student turned villain and the only reason they gave you the option not to turn him in was in an attempt to give the player a bit of freedom of choice. They OBVIOUSLY wanted to make Sebastian seem out of line and make the uncle seem correct. This is made even more clear when you see Ann's response to the uncles death. Ann is stupid. She should have read the room and saw what her UNCLE was doing to lead to his death. It felt really good to NOT turn him in because it made me feel like I was giving the finger to the game devs a little and not doing what they obviously want and probably expect the player to do. The uncle is a moron. That was made entirely clear when he destroyed the relic. In addition to being able to thank Sebastion, I would have also liked to share a few choice words with the uncle, mainly I wanted to call him a selfish jackass. I hate the way the game writers framed Sebastion the whole time. It was infuriating. But im glad to have found your video because you actually pointed out the correct logical end point that anyone who played through the game should have reached. And why was Sebastion doing all this in the first place? Because he selflessly loved his sister, who pays him back for his trouble by disowning him? I hate Sebastions family.
My first playthrough as a Hufflepuff when I went to Azkaban I was thinking how absolutely horrible it must be for even a criminal to be subjeted to that place. Let alone someone who was ultimately innocent. And during the finale with Sebastian I knew immediately I wouldnt send him there. That place is far too cruel. Living with the guilt and his sister and best friend leaving him was enough punishment in my book.
I actually really like him I got into Slytherin just so I can have more in common with him and I have always been nice to him and during all of the cross wands matches he was my partner
You did this VERY well... but I can't agree that Sebastian "did absolutely nothing wrong". I think THIS is a major flaw in the game... Avalanche obviously didn't think this all the way thru... or they didn't care about the ambiguity. Once the game pits Solomon against the two of us, we either fight him or we die... so we were without a doubt acting in self defense... and unless we kill him, he will kill us. The stickler comes in with these so-called "unforgiveable" curses. The lore tells us they won't work unless we mean them... but that's not entirely true, is it? People resist the imperius curse... does that mean the caster didn't really mean it? Once, Harry cast Crucio on Belladonna (?) and it hurts bad... but it doesn't REALLY hurt bad, as she chastises him for not REALLY meaning it... and there is some ambiguity with the killing curse too... the one time it didn't work... did Voldemort not REALLY mean it? Intent has always been one element of a crime, but we muddy those waters quite a bit. We can place a lot of the blame on Solomon too... screwed up man probably because of the screwed up system... and WHO in the right minds would say that life at Azkaban is not cruel and unusual punishment. There's lots of blame to go around here... and Sebastian is probably least to blame... but that doesn't mean he doesn't carry any blame.
Bellatrix* ans yes you have to mean it, with avada kedabra you have to mean it otherwise you wont cast it, its a yes or no result, unlike the other two it will go from mild to strong
When Sebastian used the killing curse, he was defending himself. The uncle had just destroyed what he thought was the only thing that could save his sister... The uncle started the fight. Sebastian in various conversations about the three unforgivable curses, says that like any other magic they need concentration and will to work. I don't doubt that in his mind, while he wanted his uncle dead, how many times did the desire to see someone who had wronged us, dead, but in reality , it's not like that... I think Sebastian didn't really want his uncle dead, but just to hurt him.
I would just like to provide an alternate, and counter, debate to Sebastians innocents. Sallow's quest arch, directly, mirrors the main story of Hogwart's Legacy, with Sebastian wanting to take away his sisters "pain". Just as Isidora wants take away her fathers "pain" along with the root emotion of "pain" from everyone. The memories observed from the keepers are foretellings of how not being decisive and direct in dealing with unchecked recklessness, can place innocents in severe danger. With the memory of Percival foretelling his neglect in overseeing, supervising, and disuading Isidora from further pursuits of what she expressed. Percival's direct quote being, "It's not your pain to take." Sebastian directly mirrors this in his desperation to take his sister's pain away. I believe this is further amplified with his quest arch directly leading through Isidora's hamlet where her father's pain first began. Which so happened to also be, where Anne's pain first originated as well. Sebastians desperation, though amplified by his Uncle's dismissal of hope, is beyond reckless, to the point that he is willing to dive into Dark Arts, to find a cure. Similar to Percival's failure to redirect and disuade Isidora's pursuits in removing pain, our player character would follow those same foot steps if we do not turn in Sebastian. If our player character actually learns from the main story, then I believe turning Sebastian in is the correct ending to the story arch. If he is willing to cause so much pain simply in a reckless and desperate attempt to find that which cannot be found. Then it would be a safe assumption that he may very well put others in danger in the future under similar circumstances. Sebastians shows, in my opinion, reckless abandon in the great lengths he is willing to go with little regard to the lives of others around himself, so long as it provides him a glimmer of hope to take away his sister's pain. When one dives too deeply into passion, making it an obsession, it boardlines insanity when one is willing to take any risk in their pursuits. His obsession with taking away Anne's pain leads him down a path that no one should follow, and it leads him to murdering his Uncle. By no means am I saying his Uncle is innocent, as he failed as a gaurdian to better disuade Sebastian from his pursuits in a more healthy manner. I still stand by my final opinion that our player character is given an opportunity to make a different decision than that of Percival's in putting such a danger to rest before it ever becomes more serious and deadly.
As an additional note, I am not saying that I am wholely unempathetic to Sebastian, as I do feel a strong bond of friendship with him. I only wish there were more dialogue options available to disuade him from going down the path of Dark Magic in his search. Yes make it available for those players who want to pursue such dark paths, but also make a dialogue path for those who wish to remain away from such paths. While also being a true friend in leading our friend away from such a dangerous path. I really only wish our player character could keep Sebastian from going down that path through other more logical and rational dialogue choices, than be lead by Sebastian's blind emotional desperation.
@@josephfullerton1919 I dont think he will go down as a dark wizard but only as a person with a quest, learning magic is ALWAYS without a doubt goes with consequences, every SPELLS can either be as deadly and lifesaving depending on who uses it, medicines were used in a lot of animals/human trials before being passed, need I remind you he doesnt have time in his hands because her sister's life is ticking which adds to the pressure, if he gets sent to azkaban we might as well be there with him as we killed a lot of goblin's and wizards in pursuit of trial 'challenges', morality can go both ways my friend.
@@ardendavid5515 All very valid and true points. I just feel its an injustice to Sebastian as a character for our character not being able to do more to prevent him from using the unforgivables in ways that lead him to Azkaban. Though I do not at all agree with his Uncle, Sebastian shouldnt have murdered him. I may not think Sebastian will follow down the path of being a Dark Wizard, but I also cannot deny that it is easilly possible. It is also easilly possible that sending him to Azkaban can in fact rapidly send him down that path to being a Dark Wizard from his hatred and grudge against Goblins and Dark Wizards. Its a double-edged sword were either choice is a poor choice for the ending of his arch.
@@josephfullerton1919 yeah I do hope there's a follow-up arch on Hogwarts Legacy 2 about Sebastian's status, he is by far the most interesting part of the game even beating the story imo, you can see it in his eyes the passion he have to protect us from harm like Harry is to Hermione and Ron, he even dropped his wand when he killed his uncle feeling remorseful because he tried to kill us! I also wish that theres a community centre for troubled wizards to bring them back to society as were only on our 5th year when we experience death
The Uncle's anger at Sebastian saving his sister is infuriating. It's like a parent telling their child that they're not allowed to defend themselves if someone tries to kidnap them or something. Sometime, you gotta do what you gotta do to defend yourselves and your loved ones.
Not sure your comparison to Snape holds up. Snape was ultimately doing exactly what Dumbledore wanted and what he had to do. You can mean it even if you don't like it.
Solomon felt like a piece of shit right from the moment he got introduced... The way he seemed to get triggered everytime anything regarding curing Ann was mentioned.. my first impression was he might be a villain pretending to be the guardian and for some reason trying to make sure Ann remained cursed
I read a fanfiction where the MC (female) helps Sebastian to emptying the house and found a diary owned by Solomon where he wrote Anne was getting better since a long time but he gave her potions for keeping her sick (prentending it's medicine) for having her by his side and planned to wait one year before stopping. He also planned to bring her away from Feldcroft and that the moment where Sebastian used Impero was the perfect excuse
At this time the 3 unforgivable curses will still get you into Azkaban regardless of the uses. Imperio allows full control over the person it's casted on. Sebastian was in the wrong when he casted Imperio. You could argue he's trying to save Anne from the goblin attacking her, but his first instinct is to make the goblin kill himself. He could make the goblin do anything in that moment but Sebastian chose the suicide route. Even we as the player don't go that dark when we cast it. Sebastian also went too far with Avada Kedavra. You could already see Solomen was weakening after the fire the way he was holding his stomach from his injuries. It was at that moment any defensive spell could be used on him and still win the fight. But Sebastian went overboard again and went right for the worst thing you can cast in that situation. Both of those instances you can't defend him cause those are instances where he clearly did the wrong thing for the sake of doing the wrong thing. He may have started out genuine but his search drive him into madness resulting in choices where he was completely ignorant to any other better solution
Unfortunately ambition can quickly turn into an obsession and quite honestly both parties are at fault. Solomon for not showing Sebastian the affection he shows Anne (which is creepy af) nor trying to understand him and turning him into a black sheep of the family as for Sebastian by allowing his ambition to heal Anne to become an obsession and not listening to reason from his "Best" Friend(s) Ominus who knows the consequences of dark magics and the player and at times lashing out at the player if you choose to tell him about working with Lodgok. Even though Sebastian is a victim of his home environment he did attack Solomon first after he took the relic and destroyed it to attempt to prevent his nephew from going down a dark route. In the end murder is murder no matter how you try to justify it. So sadly Sebastian is guilty of murder and Solomon is guilty of being a terrible guardian, pushing Sebastian to the breaking point and being a creepy uncle. Two wrongs don't make a right. I maybe a Hufflepuff, but there are somethings you just can't write off and ignore out of loyalty.
I saw both sedastian and Solomons sides and understood both. Sebastian wanted his sister back and is willing to do anything even meddling in the dark arts to find a cure. And solomon loves both of them and wants whats best but with how sebastians parents died and anne being cursed and sebastian meddling with the dark arts to help it scared him. He doesn't want sebastian to die like his parents did and he tried everything in his power to cure anne and protect sebastian. But wveryone over looked anne in this story. Yes sebastian killed in self defense and isn't guilty of anything more than being a disturbed caring brother. However, killing solomon left both him and anne with one less family member abd caretaker. Anne wants to be cured but not at the expense of others. This is why solomons death is tragic. It pushed anne to not only resent her brother but destroy everything he had related to the dark arts (slytherin's book).
What struck me about that first exchange between Sebastian and Solomon was the "Look what you've done". Like... he knows perfectly well these episodes are totally random, as Anne later on explains to us. He just said it because he knew it would hurt Sebastian. How messed up is that? Also, I noticed that after that scene where Sebastian uses imperio to save Anne, when you go back to Feldcroft, there's a lock on the door to their house. You literally have to use alohomora to get inside, and Anne's just chilling by the table drinking tea as usual. Solomon has issues.
Oh, I hadn't noticed that detail about the lock... I didn't visit again untill Solomon being buried... By the way, I didn't expect to see his tomb next to the house, but it was "cool", making it feel more real and coherent with the events
I felt like although the episodes are mostly random, the fight breaking between Seb and Solomon might have triggered it there. But it doesn't even matter then, because Solomon started that fight, not Sebastian. If anything Anne was excited to see the shrivelfig :
You can't really use the lock as an argument since that's a gameplay mechanic and hardly unique to them I've opened several other locked houses (with the lock on the outside) to find people sitting inside them.
@@liamwarner5749 I can if the lock appears specifically after Solomon forbids Sebastian from seeing Anne. It's not there before the goblin attack. I doubt it's a coincidence.
@@dominikam2920 I thought it was there before as I vaguely recall unlocking it when I went through Feldcroft before Sebastians mission. I'll load an earlier save and take a look. EDIT Well after a very long run down there on my slytherin I can confirm there is indeed no lock on their house at least early on. I'll have to see if one appear's there during that scene in the future you've got me curious now.
The minute that guy looked at me in the Restricted section and said that no one else was with him. I knew I'd walk Is through hell for him. His ending was so sad Is in the end he gains nothing and loses everything Even as a strong believer in justice I couldn't bring myself to have him taken away.
True. In the end his uncle is dead, his sister and best friend have cut him off, and he's left to deal with what he has done. That's punishment enough for him. If you turn him in, he will probably end up in Azkaban and that's not going to help anyone. So even though I do think him killing uncle Solomon was wrong, I don't think turning him in is the right call. If I was in my character's shoes I'd probably do the same as Ominis - cover up for Sebastian, but then end the friendship. Sebastian's friends have been there for him through thick and thin, but murder is the last straw. If you commit murder you can only expect your friends to walk away from you. I'd like to think that was his wake up call and he became a better person.
Sebastian chose to fight his uncle. He could have put his wand down. Sebastian only whined to his uncle rather than break himself to convince him like a real man. Sebastian’s will was weak because he is weak and he got weak results as he demonstrated again and again. Just like how many young people end up in jail. Azkaban is too good for him.
It most likely truly was self defense. Everything we know about Solomon and the fact he attacks you instead of the inferi all point to the facty he was going to kill you and Sebastian
Honestly, underrated comment about how Solomon seems like he’s just waiting for Anne to die. He strikes me as someone who is resentful of being “saddled” with the role of caretaker for a sick niece and just wants her to “hurry up and die already”. That’s why he’s so resistant to any efforts to save Anne. He’s done, but he doesn’t feel he can get out of being her caretaker without losing face.
ME TOO MAN. From the beginning it felt to me like Solomon WANTED Anne to die. You can be hopeless for a cure without being hostile and angry at anybody trying to find one. All the hostility and anger towards any mere sugestion that she can be cured, not only anger but flat out attempts to destroy anything that might cure her, specially after sebastian said not everything was tried, (wich is a choice of words that doesn't come out of mere "hope that there's a way out", but usually when the person KNOWS there are other options) suggests to me he DOESN'T WANT a cure to be found. And more, the sheer anger when sebastian saves his sister's life, Solomon showed no relief, no sign of being happy his niece was ok... only anger. Why? How come the guy shows NO SIGN of relief if the relief is really there? Only can be the case bc it isn't, there's no relief and it can only be the case if he WANTED her to die. Seriously, i saw no reason to think anything other than "He wants his niece to die"
Wanting someone to die, but taking no actions to kill them is not a crime. Killing someone is. And if he did want Anne to die, would he take her to St. Mungo's? If he hated her so much, why would he not ship her off to Hogwarts and tell her to cover it up? Solomon isn't a perfect parent. I wouldn't even say a good one. But he does care.
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit There’s a difference between just not doing anything and actively pushing against the possibility of doing anything. To me, it always seemed like Solomon did the latter. He took her to St. Minho’s because that was required of him as her guardian, then, when they couldn’t find a cure, he refused to even entertain the possibility of there being some other cure for this obscure curse. I’m not cheering Sebastian on for killing him at the end of his quest line, but that was self defense. Solomon was the one who started using Fiend Fyre- which we’ve only ever seen dark wizards use up to that point in the game. I’m also not saying Sebastian making Inferi was good either. However, Solomon never seemed like a loving father figure to me. He very obviously blamed his brother for the gas leak that killed him and his wife (also what?! There’s a reason we put foul smelling chemicals in natural gas nowadays- it killed a lot of people in the exact same way), he seems to blame Sebastian to some extent as well (always referring to him as his father’s son when he’s angry), and he will not even entertain the possibility that there’s an obscure cure that could at least mitigate some of the curse’s symptoms? Just sounds like a guy who feels trapped with kids he didn’t want and can’t see a way out that doesn’t result in him losing face with his neighbors. As for why he doesn’t just send Anne to Hogwarts and tell her to hide her curse. It’s very clear she can’t hide it. The symptoms are too severe. She’d also be around people who could easily spot the symptoms- the curse’s existence would quickly be revealed. But if he did want to hide her away, what better place to do that than at home? He can look like the loving uncle (he’s letting her live with him after all. He’s feeding her, clothing her.) And he can make sure no one sees how bad she is (she can’t have visitors- she’s too ill at the moment, etc). Finally he can keep her away from anyone who might have any new ideas for a cure. Seriously, he was an auror- he could have at least asked his old connections to keep their eyes open for new treatments.
@@catlover2223 Well you're wrong. It wasn't. He could've given up faster. Because there wasn't. If the best hospital in the world can't help, nothing will. Wrong. Solomon was literally defenseless when he was killed. And Sebastian attacked first. And he was up against two wizards, one of whom he KNEW wielded Dark Magic, and who both managed to kill a troll single-handedly. It's nice to know that there are people who believe this video's idiotic lies, even when the subtitles LITERALLY SHOW YOU that he's using Incendio. It's not even in the game. Solomon being a bad parent doesn't excuse his nephew from murdering him. Nothing does. That's not him blaming Sebastian. That's him blaming his brother for being an awful parent in his eyes. Because the best hospital in the world didn't believe so, and he didn't want his niece to die with false hope. Still doesn't excuse Sebastian murdering him. That's still time that he would get alone. Yet he doesn't let her go. So he is loving? After all, he's taking care of her, not giving her false hope, trying to stop her brother from using Dark Magic.
Yes, using the killing curse is unforgivable. No exception, period. Next time, make sure to transform Solomon into a barrel and yeet him at one of the inferies or even better, at one of the goblins. Because their blood is on Ranrok's hands!
I love the idea of MC just getting so used to that line, after he defeats ranrok, whenever he massacres anyone he just goes "your bloods on rantoks hands!... wait a minute..."
@@MrJoueurdusalon doesn't matter. 2 cruciatas against the longbottoms put Bellatrix in Azkaban. Harry tried to do cruciatas 3 times with one time being successful. Anyway; the 3 Imperio's against goblins could spark a goblin rebellion war against wizards.....safer to lock Harry up in azkaban to please the goblins / have peace.
@@MrJoueurdusalon No , imperio is not legal. Only legal by an auror teacher on an Insect in the classroom demonstration...Never on a being, creature, etc. Unforgivable not sometimes forgivable. Goblin rebellions/ wars have started over less. Harry used Cruciatas succesfuly against Carrow.
"A spell that could save your life shouldn't be unforgivable." Sebastian did everything to save his sister, not many people have family willing to go so far.
Yes, he tried to save his sister... From an incurable curse that his uncle knew more about than he did. Sebastian and Anne both lost their parents due to the same path Sebastian walked down, I can 100% understand Solomon's side more than Sebastian.
@Charlie-xu4fw But his uncle doesn't know everything. Thinking he does is only an assumption. To say you understand him 100% over Sebastion proves you have no compassion. Sebastion believed there was a cure for Anne, and he would do anything to save her. The uncle basically gives up thinking it's uncureable without knowing the full context. He just sees it as he feels, and that's supposed to be a fact? More like an opinion that he uses to break up the sibling relationship between Anne and her brother, merely so he can say he was right all along.. even though it's clear he's in the wrong. He doesn't even bother trying to find a cure. He just accpets that she can't be cured, and instead of supporting Sebastion who truly wants to save his sister, he tells him to go away as if he means nothing to him. That's being a good uncle to your nephew who wants to protect his sister? I shouldn't have to explain this, it should be common sense.
I understand why he did what he did but there were other options available other spells he could have used I didn't turn him in though azkaban isn't a place for a stupid teenager meaning well
@@Charlie-xu4fwWhat on earth are you talking about? Sebastian and Anne’s parents died by carbon monoxide poisoning and I wouldn’t be surprised if his uncle did it. Locked them up.
after the way solomon talked to me and to seb on the previous quest...i was 3 seconds away from killing him myself. seb is innocent, your honor. he did a community service.
33:28 Fiendfyre curse. Yes, it's not an unforgivable but it is advance dark magic. I find it ironic Solomon was so against Sebastian using Imperio to save Anna, but then he turns around and cast Fiendfyre on our butts to 'protect' his nephew. 😂😂
@@commodorejones8044 when you think about it for more than 5 seconds the killing curse is the nicest out of all the dark magic in harry potter. Imperio can literally make somebody kill themselves against their will. It could also be used for other fucked up things if you really start thinking of possibilities. Crucio is torture it does nothing else and you have to be okay with what you are doing or like it for the spell to work. Like torture is torture there is no self defense justification for torture. Even imperio has some self defence application. "Imperio, stop, go home and rethink your life" and then they would. Fiendfyre is basically uncontrollable fire. once that spell is cast it will burn everything till there is nothing left around. You and other people included if your concentration drops for even a second which is pretty easy when someones casting spells at you. The killing curse hits you then poof you're gone thats it. Out of these 4 imma the quick death. The best way to stop a bad guy with a killing curse is a good guy with a killing curse unless theres horcruxes involved.
@@commodorejones8044 Yeah, it's definitely dark magic. It was banned from being taught at Hogwarts until the Death Eaters took control of the school in Book 7. It being called the "Fieldfyre Curse" is already enough of a hint that it's an evil dark spell, but the incantation is Pestis Incendium, which means "fire plague" or "fire pest". In the books/film, there's also no way to extinguish it unless someone knows the counter curse. It will just continue to grow and grow, destroying everything in its path forever. If you are engulfed by the fire, an excruciating death is assured. It's also a far worse way to die than Avada Kedavra, which is 100% painless and instant (as Dumbledore said, he's very much content with going out from the killing curse compared to letting the curse on his hand take its course or the horrible things the Death Eaters would do to him). It's also capable of killing a ton of people at a time, compared with the killing curse which only hits one at a time. If you somehow got hit by Fiendfyre and survived (assuming it didn't hit any vitals or engulf your entire body), it would also likely be as painful as Crucio. Not to mention leave you potentially disabled for life and with permanent scars (and since it's a dark magical curse, there would be no way to heal the damage). Fiendfyre 100% deserves to be an Unforgivable Curse at least on par with Avada Kedavra and Crucio. If not moreso.
@@commodorejones8044 Yes. It's literally cursed fire than cannot be extinguished by water and has a malevolent mind of its own, often transforming into chimeric animals.
It's so weird how Solomon seems to not give a fuck about... Basic reality. OK, so they haven't tried Shrivelfigs before, maybe try it and see what happens? Rather than just yeeting it out of existence. Secondly, when Sebastian uses _Imperio_ on that goblin, that goblin was. Going. To. Kill. Anne. Did he not see that? The Imperius Curse would've had the lowest chance of unintentionally hurting Anne. But is Anne's life a thought in Solomon's mind? No. He doesn't care that Anne is alive, he only cares that Sebastian used "dark magic". What kind of magic isn't dark when used to kill goblins? Why is killing a goblin with _Confringo,_ literally burning it to death better in Solomon's mind that using _Imperio?_ Also, I was throwing down _Crucio_ on those goblins like there was no tomorrow, so a bit of _Imperio_ is nothing. Then he takes the relic, the one thing that actually has a _chance_ of saving Anne from this torture and fucking destroys it. I dunno, I think he deserved being dropped like that. He goes into the room, hears us talking about how the relic is keeping the inferi in check. Destroys the relic, then instead of helping deal with the Inferi, Solomon thinks it's a better idea to start attacking two 16 year old students... WTF Solomon?
I really would not compare the story and the MCs actions when roaming around, those are two completely separate things. And he could have used like any of the other spells that incapacitate and opponent, Levioso, Depulso, Glacius, Arrresto Momentum, Accio, Expelliarmus....
They are called unforivable curses for a reason. And like @melindamuller4466 mentioned he could have used a great number of non leathal spells to save Anne
@@Crowbars2 A few things here: 1. Shrivelfigs canonically do not cure curses. That's in the HP lore. If they did, I'm sure they would've tried it at St Mungos, where Solomon initially took Anne. He absolutely cares that she's alive, as even Sebastian admits he took her to see every possible healer, and you can find him mixing potions for her if you visit their house. 2. Sebastian could've used literally any other spell to stop the goblin. And Unforgivables are named so because they rot the user from the inside out. The Killing Curse even fractures their soul. 3. Sebastian attacked Solomon first. Solomon merely used Accio on the relic, and he destroyed it because it was sending a hoard of Inferi to Feldcroft. The people were going to be the "dark sacrifice" the relic called for. That's why Anne and Ominis went and got him. I swear people who wanted Solomon to die or actually think he "deserved it" didn't pay attention to anything. He was taking care of Anne and he saved Feldcroft. He tried to keep Sebastian on the right path, but he wouldn't give up and he refused to listen to anyone, even his friends.
@@kirikakirikakirikakeep sebastian on the right path!? He was ABUSIVE to him at BEST. Even the keepers weren't that horrible to Isadora and what she did was way worse. Solomon never let Sebastian talked and manipulated the situation constantly to make it seem as if Sebastian was crazy for wanting to heal his sister. A rational adult would simply say "hey bud, we are trying everything and just know you're not in this alone." What does he do instead? Solomon yeets a sweet gift and then yells at his nephew in a very immature way.
@@adriannaa545 The only abusive one was Sebastian, especially to his friends. Poor Ominis. He manipulated him, lied to him, used him, mocked him, and ignored his panic attack. When we first meet Solomon, the very first thing he says is, "We've been over this." The game gives us very important context clues, showing that Solomon has very clearly tried everything with Sebastian. When we meet him, he's stressed out and at his wit's end. Sebastian _knows_ his uncle has tried everything, including taking Anne to the best healers in the wizarding world (all of whom said she was incurable), but for him it's not good enough. Every healer said Anne couldn't be helped, but did Sebastian listen? He doesn't listen to _anyone._ Also, that "sweet gift" is poisonous if used wrong. That's probably why Solomon didn't want it in the house. Shrivelfigs canonically don't cure curses. At all. And Solomon only yelled at Sebastian when he started arguing. Also, Isidora was an adult when she started messing around. A professor. And when she took it too far, the Keepers killed her. Solomon knew the Killing Curse, but he didn't use it on Sebastian. He never intended to hurt him. In fact, if you replay the level and let Sebastian fall, Solomon protects him from the Inferi.
him dropping his wand immediately screams regret to me, I don’t think he wanted to kill his uncle. However, he could have meant it considering like you say in this video solomon was more than capable and willing to kill you and sabastian. He felt like he needed to to protect you, himself, and his sister.
@@ryder_hdAnne destroying the spell book means he doesn't have regret in looking for a cure. That's different than killing your uncle. They don't have to be interwoven.
I think it was in the moment with his emotions....his uncle destroyed the one thing that could possibly save Anne....and everything that happened is SOLOMON attacking them. It was self-defense. Solomon if you listen even blaming the player (YOU) and saying horrible things....and being that Solomon was a former Auror...and know the dark arts. This made him more dangerous.....so I think between the mix of emotions...and wanting to protect himself, Anne and the player...he killed him. But instantly regretted it...and couldn't believe what he done.
For me, I always stood by Sebastian cause I would do *exactly the same things* that he did to save Anne. I have a little brother that I have been super close with since he was born. I would literally tear apart the world to save him if I ever needed to. If I was Sebastian and my little brother was cursed, I would do everything within my power to save her, forbidden spells would hold no weight to me cause at that point my sole purpose would be saving my brother, consequences be damned. And if my uncle was fighting me at every fricking turn, telling me to stop, to give up, blaming me for his pain, etc., I frankly would have used the killing curse too. We have to remember that Anne is the only family Sebastian had left, since Solomon has never really been a family member to him, so of course he would do everything to save her. I genuinely hated Solomon in my playthrough because he gets so mad at Sebastian and is mean to him for simply trying to save the person he loves most in the world. I also appreciate how Sebastian doesn’t see magic as good or evil, but rather a tool. Like a knife isn’t evil, but the person who uses it can commit evil deeds with it. Seb is a lot more open minded than most of the other characters
Yeah, okay, but when you get warned by your two best friends, your sister, and (rudely) by your uncle, that the dark artefact that obviously requires some dark sacrifices, then at one point you become evil. At one point you might tell yourself it's for them, but it's merely for yourself.
I've played through the Sallow timeline twice and I'm still amazed at how Solomon lumps the character with Sebastian (IE practicing the dark arts). During the confrontation I went out of my way to not cast at Solomon, other than stupefy when his spells bounced off my protego shield. I don't recall Solomon even hitting an inferi, just the two of us.
Honestly the boss fight shows how much of a hypocrite Solomon actually is. He says after the Imperio incident "This family does not resort to using dark magic, even against our enemies" But he has no problem casting FIENDFYRE on 2 teenagers???
The 2 of us...? In my playthrough Soloman only casted curses at ME!! He never went after Sebastian, just me. Seb took out the Imperi while I was trying to dodge his uncle, lol. I'd like to think he was protecting my character in that moment just as much as he was trying to protect Anne.
It is possible to bounce the stupefy off the protego to a different caster, not the one you protected from. It is 100% dependant on the target you're locked in right now. So if you had went out of your way to lock on, for example, an inferi, the stupefy would've hit the inferi, not Solomon, even if Solomon was the one who made you cast protego. But if you play like me who rarely locks on a specific target and just let's the game highlight whoever my stick is pointing, then you can rarely control the stupefy. In my games, the stupefy rarely hits the original target. It pisses me off :P
My Ravenclaw carefully considered the facts of the situation and decided to not turn in Sebastian for killing Solomon. Seb, on multiple occasions, generously passed knowledge of extremely valuable magic to me that saved my life countless times and helped me stop the evil Ranrok. Not only did I owe my life to him many times over, but he saved me from an enraged Solomon who ceased being reasonable and attempted to kill me simply for trying to help Seb save his sister. Seb is a bro and I would never betray him unless he betrayed me first, and so far, he's done nothing of the sort. I hope that continues in the sequel.
@@nobleconsejera5278 they have to make a sequel. I hate how this quest ended. Such a cliffhanger. Anne is gone , leaving a letter in Feldcroft for Sebastian, Anne is still sick, no closure, no sad ending, no happy ending. Nothing. I hope they will continue this quest in our 6th year, starting with Ministry of Magic finally decided to investigate the case of Solomon. Then they found out that Solomon was killed by Avada Kedavra, Sebastian is in trial, and we attended as a witness. We would have 2 choices to tell the truth or lie, but in the end Sebastian still got into Azkaban. Then Anne is back in Feldcroft, dying, and has a last wish to meet Sebastian Then we learn Patronus charm with Ominis and infiltrated Azkaban, fight dementors and save Sebastian lmao
Btw, I personally think slytherins get a bad rap bc of Voldemort. Before he showed up, it seems like all the houses got along and it was just friendly competition. Hogwarts legacy shows us a time before Grindlewald or Voldemort and most slytherins are kind and helpful
I wouldn't go that far. We see one trying to rip a Kneezle's whiskers off its face for a few galleons and another burning a muggle born students book. There's not the same hatred of the house true but I wouldn't say they're all kind and friendly.
Salazar Slytherin totally didn't make a chamber to house a basilisk for the purpose of murdering every Muggleborn at the school... Sebastian was a bro early on, Anne and Ominis were great characters as well, but Slytherin can't just leave behind the namesake legacy.
Eh, sort of. The house as whole has a reputation of turning out a significantly larger number of dark wizards and witches which reaches back to the time of Slytherin himself. The Gaunt Family is proof of that, the entire family (sparing Ominis and Noctua) is so morely corrupt it shows up at birth. The students of Slytherin, as long as the Gaunt line continues, have access to the Scriptorium and the Chamber, both of which are areas Slytherin created using Dark Magic, a creation of Dark Magic inhabits the school because if him. Not every student that is in Slytherin becomes evil but the house has that reputation for a reason, Voldemort is simply the latest byproduct of it not just from school but through his morely corrupt and magically corrupted heritage as well.
Most of the Slytherin characters are kind and helpful in the game because every Hogwarts character in the game is kind and helpful. Even the most annoying characters are usually for things like the reverse bocci game, nothing with real stakes or implying dislike of the player character. The biggest problem I had with the game was that it has a distinct lack of Filches, Kreachers, and Malfoys. Every single enemy is either a Ranrok Loyalist, a Poacher/Dark Wizard, or is in opposition to a Hogwarts student. It gave the castle a weird Stepford feel like your ancient magic powers were casting a latent Imperius curse on everyone around you.
@@TripleBarrel06 There's a few snarky comments and smug Charlette Morrison but your right there's more bullying aimed at NPC's than at you which is odd.
It totally was, just finished the game for the first time. I mean, yeah, Natty and the other one are likeable and all. Yet, the fact remains that Sebastian is the most human, does the most for us and I totally ship him with my character. From the moment I met him I knew that he was the GOAT. He deserved better.
People play to learn the curses and the story around it is a lot more interesting than the: you have a special power and we 4 dumbs want to make sure you don't do nothing good with it
When my sister and I first played this quest, we were certain that with the way Solomon was so quick to give up on Anne, we thought he cursed her all along! That would’ve been a crazy twist but great video 😄I also hope they either make DLCs or another game because there is so much potential for more! (Quidditch, pets, followers, more spells etc,)
I really wished we had more choices to help and guide Sebastian. I liked him from the start and even later on when he gets reckless beyond measure I really could see his point. But as with any interaction, the Options are no real options and we were forced to just watch Sebastian walk to his doom. I really would have liked to encourage him and such. Hope there will be many fanfictions? ^^
This. I love Sebastian. I think people are defending his actions in their entirety because they didnt have the choice to help him off the dark path he was on, but I do think Sebastian didnt just stumble his way into murder twice and how many more times would he kill someone because the script says so before people start realizing that he *chose* to do it. He killed his uncle, but he could have used the other unforgivable curses to stop him. He had the options and he's clearly clever enough to not just act on the last spell he learned. He wanted to do it, he had the power to. I dont think that's defencible. And then when our only option is to lt him off entirely or to send him to fucking AZKABAN, of course most people arent going to want to send our loyal friend-a 15 year old boy to a torture prison. I hope if they do a sequel they'll give us more opportunities to actually affect our friends decisions so we can actually have control and stop someone from doing something like that or push them further
@@Wandervenn I can definitely see your point but I would rather call it homocide than murder. He didn't just stumble into it, I agree with that but I believe we have to take the circumstances into account. First kill was a goblin about to kill his sister. The immedeate fear combined with his already great hatred made him go to the extreme and I definitely don't agree with his method but there was slaughter all around. His uncle is actually a difficult case. He had a clear distaste for his nephew and had absolutely given up on his niece. That alone doesn't justify killing him, but the Uncle had sabotaged multiple attempts from Sebastian to help his sister and going by their interactions I wouldn't be surprise if there was at least verbal abuse involved. With destroying the artifact his uncle was once again dooming Sebastian's sister to die, so in a rush of fear, anger and pure despair I can see why the killing curse was used. Again, I don't agree with that but we weren't really much help with the limited non-choices. I feel with how the story was going there was potential to save Sebastian from walking this path, potential to Stop the killing way before it got to that point. But I also see how that could be hard to programm with all the possible outcomes. Therefore: hoping for fanfics ^^
@@Lunasera But it isnt clear on Sebastian's uncle. In what story does using dark magic not lead to a bad outcome? In Harry Potter especially, using magic to cheat death is always bad. Horcruxes tear apart a soul, the stone used to bring people back to life was nothing but a terrible curse, unicorn blood is said to make someone live a cursed life. Even in game the magic used to take pain away is not actually fully beneficial. The fact that the artifact was made by not just a dsrk wizard but the father of dark arts pretty much was never going to bode well and at no point did Anne consent to it. Her desire is stated to be that Sebastian move on like she and her uncle have. As someone who grew up in verbal abuse, we cant assume that Sebastian was experiencing that. Arguing and fighting isnt verbal abuse and Sebastian was definitely not making it easy himself. The uncle is not the cause of Anne dying and he isnt dooming her to die. A rush of fear and anger is not justifiable. It's murder. Sebastian's grief is valid and understandable, but the lengths he went to are not. He could have caused Anne to die just getting to him in the catacombs. The fact that the player character even comments that they nearly died getting to him shows he wasnt in his right mind and wasnt thinking about anything but the artifact--which is implied to be a corrupting force.
@@WandervennThat stone in the ring you mentioned, was only cursed because it was a horcrux, and offcourse Voldemort protects his horcruxes as we all know.
What I’m hoping for is a sequel or two so our witch/wizard can have their sixth and seventh years at Hogwarts, growing closer with their friends and possibly find romance with one of them.
Played as a Slytherin, my husband played as a Hufflepuff… first time meeting Sebastian I immediately became a fan and then started telling my husband Sebastian was my boyfriend lol I supported him throughout his whole story and always sided with him and still to this day believe he did nothing wrong. Though since I called him my boyfriend, when my husband played, he made sure to go against him and sent him to Azkaban 😂😂😂
I told my fiancé he's my boyfriend and while in the beginning he was like, oooh you're a Padme in this relationship, at the end he was siding with him more than I was, we even argued over that like in this comment section xD
Personally, I wouldn't say that he "didn't do anything wrong," but most of said things were understandable from the situation he was in. Poor Sebastian was clearly desperate, likely traumatized from the deaths of his parents, and no one was helping him except MC. His uncle, the only adult figure in his life who he should be able to lean on for support, does nothing but cruelly berate and criticize him, as though Solomon somehow blames Sebastian for Anne's curse. Yes, Sebastian went too far, but he does not deserve Azkaban. He's a fifteen year old boy for fuck's sake, and every time he cast an unforgivable, he did it with the intention to protect, not torture. That said, it's less his actions and obsession regarding dark magic that I have a problem with: where I think he really went wrong was his treatment of Ominis throughout the game. Ominis is supposed to be his best friend, and Sebastian makes a point to tell MC how guarded Ominis is, and how few people he has in his life, and yet Sebastian doesn't hesitate to betray Ominis' trust several times. I remember how annoyed I was in my first playthrough when Sebastian just told us all about Ominis' horrible childhood without his permission, something that really wasn't his to share. It got even worse in the Scriptorium mission, where Sebastian constantly disregarded and undermined Ominis' trauma, basically implying he was being unreasonable and cowardly. At that point I was actually kind of pissed off: like, Sebastian of all people should understand Ominis' refusal to use dark magic, yet he shows no sympathy, even has to gall to get angry at Ominis for not doing what he wanted literally as the poor boy is basically having a panic attack in the background, because oh yeah, we just stumbled across his aunt's literal fucking corpse! It ended up feeling like Sebastian was trying to use Ominis for most of the game, but the second he realized he wasn't going to help, he turned to us instead. So yeah, I would not say that Sebastian did nothing wrong, but that's actually what makes his character so interesting to me. He's flawed in a very realistic way, but also in a way that makes you sympathize and root for him. At the end of the day, I still wouldn't turn him in, unless I was deliberately roleplaying as an evil MC. I only wish we could have gotten some sort of closure for his quest.
I wouldn't have said it better. I find it a bit frustrating that while his side quest was the most interesting and complex out of the three - at least to me; whenever I got an owl from him I literally dropped everything I was doing at the time and flew to wherever the next location of his quest was - and yet his was the only one who didn't get a proper closure. It felt like the devs changed it very late in the production and rushed through the ending, but maybe I'm wrong. I really hope this is not the end of his story.
Thank you for mentioning that bit about Ominis! There were several moments where I went hang on - I thought this was supposed to be your best friend (or second after Anne) after four previous years of school together, and you're just disregarding everything he says wtf. Also just the difference between them was pretty glaring. Sebastian was getting obsessed with the dark arts enough that in a split second decision situation he uses imperio instead of a number of other spells he uses more often to get Anne out of harm's way. Whereas Ominis was willing to die rather than cast or teach Crucio on anybody because that's how traumatized he has been by the dark arts.
@@saturated3821 I thought the exact same thing during that scene! When I first saw it, I remember how stunned I was by the sheer brutality and viscousness Sebastian employed against that goblin. It was clear to me then that he wasn't only doing everything for Anne, much as he tried to convince us otherwise; no, Sebastian was angry and wanted revenge, which probably contributed to how quickly he spiraled. Like, he could have used any number of regular spells to save Anne in that moment, using Imperio and making the goblin slice his own throat was completely unnecessary and clearly fueled by Sebastian's thirst for vengeance.
Also...he blames Anne for pushing him away after literally murdering their sole relative. Sebastian has a problem taking responsibility - only towards the end after getting caught he says something like "I didn't mean to..." Given how the Unforgivables work, we know he absolutely meant to kill Solomon - he was just trying to cover his ass
His treatment of Ominis is concerning and even hypocritical, but it is believable. The way people, especially young people, treat their peers is heavily influenced by the way they themselves are treated by their parental figures, because their parental figures provide an example of what's supposed to be acceptable behaviour. Sebastian has his concerns and feelings dismissed and belittled over and over again within his familial household, so it's not surprising that dismissing and belittling other peoples' concerns is prominent within his emotional dictionary. This is how the cycle of abuse works: victims can become perpetrators, even without wanting to, because abuse is the only way they've been taught how to act, so, even though they don't like it when it's addressed to them, they think it's normal and so end up abusing others.
I would like to point out how awful of a man Solomon seemed to me right out of the gate. The way he had a melt down over Sebastian trying to cheer Anne up with the shrivelfig and started berating him screamed abuse to me. Plus Solomon’s insistence that Anne cannot be cured felt very self induced right away: it’s like he doesn’t want his niece to be healed from this course. And, keeping in mind that she was 15 or younger when she was cursed, Anne seems to have been heavily influenced and manipulated by Solomon, to the point where she sided with him. But Sebastian is having none of that and I really admire how he refuses to be gaslit by his uncle. I would never turn him in in any scenario, especially because his killing of his uncle can be justified from multiple points of view. Hes not a flawless character of course but he still absolutely carries the entire storyline of this game. Wish we could have had some closure about his relationship with Anne, Ominis, even our MC, etc.
If Anne had shown up 5 minutes earlier, I like to think she would have taken our side, her uncle was lethally attacking her twin brother and his friend!
Because he was researching more and more dangerous dark magic and had a fucking army of Inferi at his beck and call and was summoning more? Are you high? Did you not pay attention to the storyline?? The uncle tried to stop sebastian multiple times. Talking didn't work. OMINUS his best friend wasn't able to stop him. His sister asked him to stop and he wouldn't. The Uncle had literally NO choice but to take Sebastian down. Both as an Ex Aurorer and As his Uncle/Guardian. Literally The Uncle is Obi-Wan watching Anakin go to the dark side. The only choice left was to kill or capture him. And from the Uncle's perspective The two "15" year Olds were playing with dark magic that could kill people. He may not have been nice, but he was right to try and put them down
@mothermushroom5315 It was the fact that he was in control in the first place? The Uncle arrives and sees Sebastian with Inferi. And THEN destroys the relic. Re watch the cutscene. Sebastian was literally going down the Darkside path with alarms ringing and went "Yeah no I'm fine why is everyone worried I'm not gonna do anything bad"
@@EvilM0nkeyRules I hear what your saying about Sebastian going down a dark path, but Solomon still was too stubborn and resentful towards him. Also just because someone may be doing something wrong doesn't give you the right the take lethal action against them, "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind." He's a grown man, who's been a wizard with a wand for way longer than Sebastian and the player, knows way more about magic, he was an Auror for christs sake. He could have just as easily used Obliviate or Petrificus Totalus, or Glacius, any disarming spell and/or spell to stop someone in their tracks. While i don't believe everything Sebastian did is right, I do not blame him for in the heat of the moment using the killing curse, bc a literal CHILD, being attacked to the point of being backed into a corner, is not thinking straight. And there is clear regret afterward when he realizes what he has done. Is it wrong? yes, but it is understandable.
Many inspiring perspectives you put out there, so glad to see such a comprehensive analysis of Sebastian. Interestingly enough, I once discussed his case with a legal intern player and she gave a quite similar non-guilty defense. Contrary to many who think this is a case of self-defense, she said if he would be trailed in the modern court, "voluntary manslaughter in the defense of a 3rd party" should be a much more promising statement, since Solomon's unyielding will to kill the player had more concrete evidence throughout that boss fight. And the fact that in that final moment, he hasn't put down his wand or shown any other strong indication that he will stop, the violence can be considered as still in progress. As for the part when he snaps after knowing about your Goblin friend. That flare of anger and disbelief is so raw and ill-refined, thus I don't read it as him being manipulative but more like being hurt. It reminded me of a cut companion dialogue when he screams "You and I are unstoppable!" after a battle. As endearing as it sounds, it gives me a feeling that he might have been a bit too emotionally demanding about this friendship, making him hard to accept that we might hold different views and different objectives. He also has cut dialogue in which he makes comments on Mr. Oakes in a much more rational and even appraisal manner. And he doesn't seem to be fazed by Isadora working with Goblins at all. My point is, he does not care how others think or judge Goblins, he cares because that person is you.
Thank you for clarifying the killing part... I honestly felt when I first played that he was going to stop, but you have a point that completes our youtuber friend's argueing. Because that was the only detail that kept me convinced about Sebastian being guilty. But now I don't find him guilty anymore.
He's absolutely hurt by our involvement with Lodgok. His reaction is entirely emotional and stems from him trusting us enough to divulge sensitive information about his sister's illness and welcoming us into his home to meet his sister. He clearly values our friendship and having seen first hand how Anne is affected by her curse and then the attack on Feldcroft by goblins who try to murder her, the very idea we'd not only work alongside a goblin, but defend that decision, is in his mind a betrayal of that trust.
Finally someone who sees in Sebastian's reaction to our relation with Lodgok something else than just him being racist and/or manipulative. I mean he does indeed make a wrong judgement, but we know he has his reasons for this hatred and now his "kindred spirit" acts as if it doesn't matter, he sees it that way at least. He feels totally disappointed and betrayed at this moment, and yet he later apologises. Many people after this fight chose to give up on him, calling him toxic, though for me it was just another proof that he truly valued our friendship. Besides, aren't we all sometimes somewhat toxic even to our friends when emotions take hold of us? Aren't we all prone to make misjudgements based on our personal experiences? I get the doubts about him after he killed his uncle, but here his reaction was just him showing flawed human nature.
@@magdalena4072 Indeed. Poor Sebastian had put a lot on his shoulder with no one standing beside him. This friendship is his last straw. That’s why he so desperately needed us to fully support him and completely understand him. I always felt Sebastian is the type that tends to overcome/bottle up all the pain and fear he suffers, brushing them off with indifference, disdain or a laugh. This type is usually much more vulnerable and emotionally susceptible from the inside and becomes insecure and irrational at moments of despair. This is not the mentality of a dangerous psychopath, but the mentality of a flawed human being crying for help. A true friend should never walk away from him and never give up.
I've had that exact non-guilty viewpoint from the beginning, and I think his volatile reactions to things maybe more on the "I'm at my breaking point" side of hurt. He's clearly frustrated he hit another wall, but I know that if he had said that to me at 15, I'd have snap at him and tell him to take a nap and try me again later. It's a little hypocritical of him to call us 'ignorant' when the entire time he's been touting how open minded he is.
sebastian is the only character i felt the player was actually friends with. ominis always seems like a friend of a friend bc out lack of one on ones. poppy seems like a school friend you wont talk to outside of class and natty seems like a random student i talked to once that wont stop acting like we’re lifelong friends.
My second favorite companion questline was Natty’s, and even then it wasn’t nearly as compelling as Sebastian’s. I really hoped that we’d look deeper into Ominis’s backstory, or even built a relationship with Anne. I really hesitated to finish his questline before the main questline because I didn’t want to lose the only real friend we were given.
Sebastian will always be my bro in this game, but I really wish that Avalanche poured half as much effort into the other characters that they put into him. 😔
I feel the same way. Natty, to me, comes off as irritating. I really didn't like how on the first meeting, she got the player in trouble with Ronen(?). From that point, I couldn't stand her and found her annoying. I dread when I have to do her quests.
@PinkMarshmallows What was disappointing was that Natty was all set up to be a great character but they never ran with it and made her too one dimensional. Personally I think her quest line should have been about why her and her mom had to leave Uganda with her still helping in the main quest at certain points like Sebastian. Plus they wasted characters like Amit and Gareth.
I can relate. My dad was that guy, Solomon. He was an alcoholic and violent. I didn't Avada Kadavra him, but our last encounter, 30 years ago, resulted in two ambulances. I know, first hand, the feeling of having no options.
1) Glad you made it out of there. 2) I don't even want to know what he did that means you needed to put him in _two_ ambulances (no doubt he deserved it).
@@gamer-px5cu, Solomon strikes me more as an abusive drunken father in real life than some one like Sebastian thus if we’re applying real world logic to a fictional wizard series Solomon should’ve been the person sent to Wizard Prison.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr He was trying to make Sebastian reasonate and prevent him from being corrupted by dark magic, cause that's how dark magic works from what i know. No matter how rude, Solomon was right.
Sebastian is best boy.End of doscussion. Edit: On the note of the Goblin attacking Anne. If I was in Sebastian's shoes, Imperio and Crucio would have been seen as merciful. Edit: I am not joking, they would need to add at least 10 new items to the list of warcrimes or whatever equivalent to it Wizardkind has.
100% agree, Solomon was the adult and he should have calmed the situation, not go full berserk and trying to kill us. Seb is innocent and does not deserve to be turned in.
Do i have to mention that when his nephew and his nephew's friend, both 15 year olds were being attacked he decides to attack the 2 teenagers instead of neutralizing the immediate threats for everyone? And uses Avada K on his nephew's 15 year old friend? That to me was 100% self defense and Solomon deserved it
Where did he try to kill us? He didnt start that fight. Sebastian did. Solomon knows the unforgivable curses and he's a former auror. If he wanted us dead he would have succeeded. Hell, in my playthrough Sebastian was downed by his own inferi within seconds and wasnt even able to help through the battle, so Solomon 100% had the advantage.
@@Wandervenn As you know, I had the same playthrough, bug or not, but it makes even less sense to me to say he didn't try to kill me or heavily injure me. He sees me as a threat, a dark witch, as the one who helped Sebastian go down the dark path. Sebastian is down. I beg to stop, in the beginning I didn't fight him at all, but he made me use half of my Wiggenweld so I understood I have to fight him if I want to live. I'm sorry, as much as I agree it's all Sebastian's fault, I don't agree Solomon wasn't trying to kill me. Why didn't he then, I hear you ask? Well, because I'm an OP witch with ancient super power magic, who went through almost an equivalent of an auror training these past few months while Solomon is a rusty old retired auror who wouldn't even go after those goblins threatening his village directly until it's too late.
@@olablc531 I had this convo in another comment thread where my thoughts were way more organized, but the only thing that can be assured to be 100% the game makers intent for canon storytelling is what happens in cut scenes and dialogue. Players have too much freedom otherwise for it to be counted as objectively the intent of the developers. Solomon is going to be killed by Sebastian no matter what, it has to happen. So the game has to facilitate that happening. In the cut scenes he destroys the relic and talks about Sebastian going too far and is there to retrieve his dumbass nephew and the friend who, from his perspective, is just as in on it with sebastian, even if they arent. So when Sebastian starts attacking solomon out of nowhere, Solomon defends himself. If he wanted to kill the player he 100% would. He wouldnt talk to Sebastian, he would just murder us both. Besides the ancient magic, he knows every spell we do and then some. The guy could have cast fiendfyre and dissapparated out of the catacomb with the easy explanation that the two students must have died defending themselves from the inferi. He doesnt try to kill you, he tries to stop you. I dont think he sees either the player or Sebastian as dark wizards and witches, just stupid teenagers ruining their lives by getting into something they think they can control. He doesnt handle it well at all, but he also doesnt try to kill you. He could have turned Sebastian in to Azkaban just for using Imperio, but he doesnt and according to dialogue he has been covering for Sebastian whenever he messes up. If he didnt care at all, he would have let Sebastian get expelled ages ago. With it being a game and him being a boss fight, he has to be difficult to fight so he cant just cast the basic spell and shields. He has to be difficult or it's bad gameplay. Yes, we shout to stop and that we dont want to fight, but as we see when the fight is over, Sebastian is meant to have been fighting with us the whole time (unfortunately there's that glitch), so even if we want to stop, Sebastian is not going to let that happen. He is going to keep fighting. Eventually Solomon DOES stop and he's begging his nephew to come to his senses, only to continue to be attacked and even disarmed before being killed. It took Harry potter years to be able to stand on his own against dark wizards without needing backup or to run away, and he recieved much more special training than we did. Yes, we have ancient magic, but we also arent even one year into our time at school and most of what we learn is what everyone else has already learned with the option of the four curses from sebastian and our ancient magic. I think it would be giving us too much credit than anything to fall back on the assumption that we're just too good and Solomon is just too old when most of the super powerful wizards that we see in the books are his age, if not older and not all of them are aurors. He isnt washed up, we even hear that from NPCs in Feldcroft when they gush about how good a job the Sallows did defending them from Goblins. Again, we're the main character in a video game that isnt a Dark Souls game so feeling powerful is part of the game, but I dont think we're meant to be on the level of an auror. The poachers certainly arent given the gravitas of the death eaters, they're more just common thugs. And if the game didnt bug and sebastian werent immediately knocked down by inferi, then even if you only ever protego'd eventually Sebastian would wear Solomon down and the cut scene would play out like normal. The only reason he dies is because he stops fighting and Sebastian takes that opening. When we die, it isnt that Solomon succeeded in killing us, just that we lost the game. We HAVE to beat him to continue the story. There isnt a way to have a pacifist option that doesnt somehow fundamentally change Sebastian's story arc.
I personally feel like both Sebastian and isadora weren’t evil, I just think they were TRYING to do something good but they went about it the wrong way.
But Sebastion never thought to literally take someone's pain away. He just tried all of the possible cures that others know, but nothing works, so he switches to the dark arts hoping he will find a solution there. He never seemed eager for power, unlike Isadora. She willing had a containment built by the Goblins to store the pain, and even when faced with the truth that she's actually hurting people instead by taking all of their emotions as a whole. She wanted to help people in the beginning with her father, but became greedy in wanting to help everyone, even though she's not fully aware of what she was doing. She was using ancient magic, Sebastion was using dark magic. DM being more known, so easier to control.
@@bluewolf2708 I'd proclaim a lot easier to understand, than to control. The dark arts are more widely known than ancient magic is. During the time of the keepers, ancient magic was lesser known than. The true affects of what Isadora was doing couldn't have been known.
I think what sealed the deal for me is the shrivelfig, Sebastian shows it to his sister and Anne is excited to at least try it. Solomon instead grabs the shrivelfig, says it's absolutely pointless to even try, and then destroys it... Why? Why do such a cruel thing? Solomon was not a caring uncle, he was a burdened angry hypocrite content to let Anne suffer a horrible death because he gave up.
Yes, he could just tried and if it didn't work, being here for the two without being that grumpy. Sebastian isn't idiot, he would understand if Solomon tried to Nice method
My instant thought after Sebastian started to use dark magic was that it seemed like he was addicted to drugs. Everything about his story felt like watching a friend struggle with addiction and almost pull you down with them.
I’m over here trying to kill the inferi thinking “hey let me not try and hurt his uncle in the process” while he’s trying to bust a cap in my behind Sebastian’s as well! 🤣
I didn’t want to fight Salomon at first. I tried to avoid it… realized that reasoning wasn’t an option with that man. I don’t think Sebastian is evil, if Salomon would have done his job has a guardian, Sebastian wouldn’t have gone that path.
Yup, choices don’t matter. If they did, I would never have let things get to that point. “Hey man, maybe don’t raise the fucking dead, yeah?” “Hey man, maybe don’t use an unforgivable to stop someone from killing when you could just disarm them or levitate them , or do literally anything else.” I get it, he just wants to help his sister, but he makes the worst decisions possible in the heat of the moment every. single. time. He also acts like a right prick in the main story missions and while he apologizes he doesn’t seem at all sincere which is confirmed by him stabbing you in the back and going ahead with his dumbass plan with the artifact instead of waiting on you to figure out if ancient magic can help. (I think it probably could) Also: we literally meet a curse-breaker in Natty’s quest line, I would see if maybe he could try to break the curse. But naw, choices don’t matter and your character is reduced to an idiot any time control is taken away from the player. You LITERALLY defeat Solomon then he somehow gain the upper hand in a cutscene and your character does fuck-all. Same thing with Lodgock, you do nothing in that cutscene despite knowing several spells that could be used to prevent that scene from happening. They were too lazy to make a couple more branching narratives so things happen because the plot says they do, not because your choices led you there.
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit yes, that is literally the point. You choices don't matter because they aren't choices and there are no meaningful interactions. Fun exploration and fighting but the story is set in stone and you have no say on how it progresses other than not doing side content.
I honestly didn't use the unforgivables as my Ravenclaw. He learned them because he was curious, but he was against using them. I also didn't have my Ravenclaw turn Sebastian in either.
Mine did learn the first two but never used them , i did turn him in, i tried to get some sense on him without being an asshole, at the end he killed someone out of spite so for me he went to far.
As a Ravenclaw I as well turned Sebastian in. He seemed to go down a unhinged and deranged path. He does realise what he has done is wrong. When he’s off the hook again he is going to find a more far fetched dark magic artifact or spell to try out. I completed the main quest before Sebastian’s quest, so I had seen what happened with Isadora’s father just an emotionless shell arter removing the pain and I thought that wouldn’t be much different to Anne’s faith if Sebastian found a «cure» I had a little hope when I encountered rookwood hearing him repeat those words in the curse that maybe I would get a chanse to get information, but ended up having to end him. I did cheer him og right in the beginning, but got more critical and sided with the dialog most alligned with ominis after dark curses appeared and it startes feeling off the rails with him.
@@l.f.pliteframskrittsparti8660 I feel the same tbh. Sebastian was always the rash one who wanted his way or the highway. Life hasn't been kind to him, but he really should've listened to Ominis more. Ominis knows what he's talking about and he's trying to keep everyone safe. And in the end Sebastian didn't kill his uncle out of self-defence...at that point you and him have already beaten up Solomon and could just neutralise him...he killed Solomon because he was angry. That's a very real-world thing, people can and do in fact kill others out of anger, but that is still murder (albeit in the second degree, because of no premeditation) and saying sorry is not enough. You just can't go around killing people out of impulse and expect there not to be consequences. The only thing that stops me from turning in Sebastian is knowing that the wizarding world has a pretty harsh and non-rehabilitative justice system, so if you turn him in and he stands trial then he's probably going to Azkaban for murder. And I honestly don't think sending a troubled teenaged murderer to Azkaban would do wonders for turning him into a productive adult once his sentence is up. If I were in the shoes of my character (I'm very Hufflepuff) I would not turn Sebastian in because I care about him and don't want him in Azkaban, but my character would definitely cut off the friendship, the same way Sebastian loses his friendship with Anne and Ominis. His friends have stuck with him through a lot of shit, but Sebastian has to learn a lesson that he can't expect to push the boundaries up to and including committing murder and still expect his friends to be there for him. Most people don't want to be friends with a murderer.
My Ravenclaw was similar, learned crucio just to know it but didn't use it, then learned imperio thinking it's necessary but didn't use it either. Didn't learn AK on the first attempt because honestly, that was just not the good moment for it xD But learned it later, after being kidnapped by Rookwood and knowing that she still has Harlow to beat, she decided she must go prepared. I loved that scene btw, Sebastian tells me how he wants to make up for everything he's done and I ask him to teach me AK and he's like" really?? after all this?? well, ok." In my head I explained him what I had to go through already and what is ahead of me so that it made sense I'd rather know it than not.
I related to Anne a lot as someone with multiple chronic illnesses that have left me disabled for a majority of the time. Seeing how Solomon treated her actually made me take a step back from the game to cool off because I was so livid. Like another commenter said, he was waiting for Anne to die from her curse. Not only that, but he continually blames Sebastian for Anne's flare ups when they are completely random, and since its been happening for some time, Solomon knows this and still says what he does to Sebastian. It's cruel. I don't blame Sebastian. If any of my family was suffering in that way I'd fight like hell and do absolutely everything to stop them from being in pain constantly. My family *did* fight like hell to get me answers for what was happening to me-- and without them I wouldn't have survived mentally. Being in physical pain is hard enough-- but having nobody in your corner is what breaks you.
A lot of people still think the Sebastian storyline was way more engaging and better than the main mission. I think the developers did it to make the main character "special"without overshadowing Harry, but I would've been totally fine without ancient magic.
I did just to spite him. I was only using them on enemies. But he made himself an enemy by attacking Sebastian and me. He crossed a line by attacking _children._
Because we are supposed to believe that Isidora was evil, what she was doing was evil, and if we choose to say we are fascinated by her at one point the keepers all flip out at you. Your supposed to be against Isidora. I personally wasnt...but that's what they wanted you to see.
After completing this storyline, I had some what ifs. Would Solomon have allowed the player character to heal Anne after gaining the full ancient magic knowledge? Would Solomon try to kill the player character if they did heal Anne using ancient magic or if he found out they had knowledge of ancient magic, thinking it was "dark magic". Could the player character have found out what curse was used against Anne during their confrontation with Rookwood, allowing her to be healed. Regardless of the path taken to the story's end. I think Solomon would have to been killed in the end. If the theory is true that he used "dark magic" as an aura, he may see the cursing of Anne and her subsequently death, as his payment for his miss deeds and needed to happen. I wonder if he prevented the "medical wizards and witches" from trying experimental treatments.
I think it's a stretch to imply Solomon's actively trying to have Anne die a slow, painful death as repentance for his own dark past. He had spoken to the leading medical practitioners in the wizarding world and been told there's nothing they could do. He's probably deep in despair about her condition, and is trying to get Sebastian to accept her condition so that in his mind when she finally does die it will only hurt Sebastian a lot, not send him into a guilt spiral and catatonic depression. If you pick the right dialogue option I believe he outright says something similar. Aside from this, Sebastian is literally the game's Faust character and we saw what his bargain led to, many ways to injure, subjugate, and murder, but no cures or solutions of any kind. I suspect if Solomon hadn't shown up there, destroyed the artifact and died at Sebastian's hand, we would probably see Sebastian travel yet further down the dark path, doing more and more villainous deeds for potential knowledge to cure his sister.
@@TripleBarrel06 I fully agree. Solomon is kind of a jerk, but I think people are painting him as much, much more actively bad than he is and then using that to defend Sebastian's path. Rather than seeing them both as two people in the grieving process at different steps. Solomon hit acceptance while Sebastian is still in denial. Every step where sebastian raises everyone's hopes not only hurts everyone when it fails and resets their grieving process, but also furthers Sebastian's desperation and willingness to do what he shouldnt. I think Sebastian is a good person, and he's my favorite npc, but he went down a definitely evil path and destroyed his remaining family for it.
@@Wandervennyeah, but it’s not the wise acceptance like Dumbledore in HBP/DH. The man is bitter, condescending, and closed-minded, so acceptance becomes dismissal.
@@greg5892 Dumbledore's acceptance.... of his own death? Of his sister? Dumbledore is far, far older. All of his grievances have had time to heal and he's had more than enough time to develop that kind of peace with distance and time. Anne is still alive. Solomon is still in the thick of it. He still makes Anne medicine and has to try and handle Sebastian. Have you ever lived with someone who you knew was gonna die? My dad was in a hospital bed in our dining room when I was 14 and even when I had accepted he was going to die and there was nothing to do, every little bump in the road threatened to restart the process. You become sensitive towards people who upset whatever peace you've been able to carve out for yourself. One whole side of my family members made my dad cry and I ended up hating them for years and years after my dad died because they caused him to suffer more and made it so much harder for me to settle in this new reality I had been coming to terms with. So of course I'm not blaming Solomon for not being Dumbledore. Dumbledore found acceptance in prepping Harry for death, so I'm not sure why anyone woukd think it's fair to hold him up as a comparison. Do you think Molly Weasley would be more like Dumbledore or Solomon if Ginny was cursed like Anne? Of course not. She would screech and throw things at anyone who disturbed her daughter. But should we judge her during her worst moments? Or should we be empathetic? Why is it that this comment section will defend Sebastian and his literal murder but Solomon snaps and chastizes Sebastian and people are out here theorizing that he's hoping Anne dies and is wholly abusive?
@@Wandervenn I did as an example because that’s the most prominent example of “acceptance of death” from the series. And yeah, I get that’s part of the narrative, but that doesn’t mean Solomon’s reactions are befitting of a guardian figure. I’m pretty sure you and your dad didn’t try to burn the other members of your family alive.
"Is it better to stand by and do nothing, when there's even a slither of a chance to save her?" Albert Camus has a relatable quote about this which goes as follow: "I have always held that, if he who bases his hopes on human nature is a fool, he who gives up in the face of circumstances is a coward."
I have a running joke with my sisters that Anne's curse is just puberty. She lives in a house with two men, her mother died when she was little, and she's holding the area where most of the pain of very bad cramps is felt. It hits in random bouts, especially when she's standing up and moving around. This whole playthrough I've been thinking of it that way and it's just funny, I can't stop laughing in every scene they show her.
32:28-32:39 To be fair if I were in Sebastian’s shoes I probably would’ve done the same thing here. And yeah Sebastian did strike first PHYSICALLY but Solomon pretty much drove Sebastian to actually strike him. Like you could tell Solomon was shocked for a brief moment that his nephew struck him (it would’ve been a punch to the face in the muggle world) but he STILL insisted on his views. It doesn’t matter that he never outright tried to kill them he already did too much damage in that setting
The actions of Solomon Sallow suggest that he has unresolved issues from his past and is taking out his bitterness on his nephew Sebastian. Additionally, it is apparent that Solomon possesses manipulative tendencies, a closed-minded approach to finding a cure for Anne's illness, and even psychopathic behaviour. These traits are reminiscent of narcissistic individuals who often manipulate their victims to meet their own needs.
So... I played through the game only once. And that was as a Hufflepuff. I became best friends with Sebastian right from the get go, because Natty annoyed the heck out of me. In my personal experience, I even became better friends with Ominis, then I ever did with Natty. (I may have become better friends with her after her story, but during it, I was just annoyed) For Sebastian, I first was absolutely enticed by his rebellion and fully on board, but after meeting Ominis, slowly started taking Ominis' side and tried to tell Sebastian to stop. But after knowing he wouldn't, decided the least I could do was keep him alive and at least somewhat out of trouble. I ghasped when he used the curse on the goblin and felt, much like his uncle, that there was a better way to go about it. But I also hated how his uncle cast him out for it and thought it was at least somewhat justified, personally wanting to help guide him instead of punishing. But once he killed his uncle, I was distraught. It took me an hour before I decided not to send him to Azkaban after having visited there myself and seen its damage. Not because I tolerated his decision, but because I knew him loosing Ominis and I would push him over an edge I didn't want my best friend to fall over. (Stupid Hufflepuff Loyalty. I know xD "I can fix him!"-I say after watching him kill his uncle) As a sidenote, my favorite line in the whole game was this one. Me: "That was good, for a Slytherin" Sebastian: "Ah... There's that Hufflepuff loyalty we all know"
Me too. I picked Hufflepuff because everyone says that's my house if I were in Hogwarts. Namely for my loyalty. I loved Sebastian and I referred to as my 'boyfriend' and which we can date a character. I mean the fact there's no romance is what bugged me. I mean make it optional. Natty didn't annoying me too much. She is a sweet...and a good friend. The fact she takes a curse aimed for you....much like Sebastian with the Restricted section taking the fall. So the player won't be punished. (I loved him even more after that.) I want to play a Slytherin just so I can be a trio with Sebastian and Ominis.
I don't get how anyone could side with Soloman or say Sebastian is evil. Sebastian is out here trying to save his sister's life, and only does what he does for a good cause. Like Sam mentioned in the video; that goblin had far worse intentions than what Sabastian did. Context matters; Killing people may be wrong, but killing a murderer to save a life is not. If you've ever heard and agreed with the phrase "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" then Soloman is definitely evil because he not only does nothing to save Anne, but actively thwarts Sebastian's attempts to do so. The perfect villain is the person who believes they can do no wrong, and also the person who refuses do any wrong. Soloman is that perfect villain; content with the suffering of a loved one if it means he can feel comfortable on his moral high ground, instead of making sacrifices and breaking the rules to do the right thing. Sebastian is a hero.
Totally agree. There are some delusional people here with idiotic opinions and that have experienced personal stuff that they think give them the right to bully Sebastian. Sebastian went through more than them and they have no saying. These people should find people that actually love them instead of protecting guilty men and blaming Sebastian. And their past is not an excuse; their behavior also comes from their genetics. Disgusting genetics. People with these opinions ruin this world. They are disgusting. People who protect Sebastian no matter their past experiences are simply very wrong and have a stone made out of heart
Killing someone after they trying to burn a 15 year old teenager alive, one who repeatedly begs him to stop attacking them does not constitute murder. Wish people would be smart enough to use, read and comprehend a dictionary. Killing is NOT automatically murder. Is it still extremely serious and a moral grey area? sure. However, nothing gives you the right to attempt to burn someone to death then cry foul when someone stops you. Would we really be okay living in a world where defending yourself carries a harsher punishment than attempted murder? Do we really think that, if we had failed to defend ourselves and been burned alive by fiend fire that Solomon would have gotten away with it, or even that he should feel morally justified? This storyline is meant to be a morally grey area, I think, but it is interesting to see people comment on it and show their own moral bankruptcy. Here's an interesting bit from the encyclopedia Britannica: "The rules relating to the use of deadly force to save a third person from death or serious injury bear an obvious relation to the doctrines of self-defense. In cases in which the party defended is a member of the killer’s household to whom he owes special obligations of protection, homicide is generally excused if the killer reasonably believed the deceased to be an aggressor and the killing to be necessary to save the third person’s life. In some states of the United States and in some European countries, a person can use such force only if the third party would have been privileged to use such force in his own defense." This really shouldn't even be up for debate.
This is a very narrow view of the world, and the egocentrism behind several of your statements dismissing others is appalling. Relax. You need only look as far as Canada to see that there are people who disagree with you enough to make one of your scenarios a matter of law: Someone can break into your home attack your family, and if you shoot them and kill them, you can and will be charged (and convicted) of Murder if you did not fulfil an exacting set of steps and requirements before and during the shooting. Even setting aside the specific example, we do live in a world where the punishment often outweighs the crime, so the appeal to moral outrage on the basis of real world logic vs in-game logic isn't really going to stand up. There are many examples or two parties wronging one another and both being found culpable for their respective part. Turning to the specifics of the in game scenario, an ex-auror was attacking two people, one of which he knew was using Dark Magic (Read, Illegal, and a present danger to everyone). It is unlikely the wizarding enforcement would have blinked much at a dead kid under the circumstances given that they were the guilty party. Harry Potter world is not known for following conventional sensibilities when it comes to social issues--this is actually one of the stronger arguments for NOT turning Sebastion in... you could never construe that action as "helping" him no matter how you justify it, as the game never presents any options OTHER than Freedom or Azkaban. These are frankly, both terrible options for Sebastion, Azkaban is arguably a terrible option for almost anyone. In the real world, the guilt of both parties would be fairly evident, especially as, even if you could successfully argue self defense for Sebastion (and someone prove that Solomon was not also justified in attacking a "Dark Wizard" to start with), Sebastion would still be guilty of several other crimes relating to dark magic. The player, as someone present for each of his escalating-ly bad decisions, against the council of at least one friend (two, if you agree with Ominous) are actually being asked to decide if you believe that you can control Sebastian going forward, or if you can trust his judgement in the future. The game made it clear that you cannot trust Sebastian's judgement and he never stopped at his friends' requests. That was the takeaway from the entire quest. This is why freedom is also a bad option. The guy turned to playing around with Inferi to somehow fix his sister's curse? It makes zero sense and Sebastian either could not see it, or did not care. So yes, it is up for debate. Please try to argue rationally without devolving into accusing others of being too stupid to comprehend the scenario, or of being morally bankrupt.
@@Lanthirrhos "So yes, it is up for debate. Please try to argue rationally without devolving into accusing others of being too stupid to comprehend the scenario..." You mean the way you just did?
It may not be murder, that's easy to defend against. The tagline of this video is that Sebastian did NOTHING wrong, though. And just because someone is a victim doesn't mean they can do no wrong. For me, it was obviously concerning how much Sebastian's thoughts revolved around the dark arts, because he could have saved both Anne in Feldcroft and the MC with something else but he defaulted to the unforgivable curses. We don't have real world parallels to those, but considering they are considered unforgivable, it's a pretty big tick in a courtroom argument against him.
@@Lanthirrhos I'll also add that this is not an out of the blue decision by his uncle. He has repeatedly seen Sebastian delving deeper and deeper into the dark arts. Something which is shown in this universe to be (1) illegal and (2) harmful to those using it. The Japanese actually give their students robes that turn white if you use them and punish you instantly if they do so this isn't just an English concern, dark magic is not just a name. Anyway returning to my point Solomon an ex auror (officer of the law) has also already partially turned a blind eye to Sebastians crimes when he didn't turn him in for using Imperio (an illegal dark curse that carries a sentence in Azkaban) to murder (and yes it was murder that goblin was stopped) the goblin threatening his sister as a FIRST instinct according to Sebastian himself. Then he found Sebastian was now using other dark magics to "control" a horde of inferi (murdered and mutilated people raised as undead) within a stones throw of his and Anne's home. I understand his response because its the same one I'd have done the same in that situation even with only his information and now our characters (that Sebastian is using a dark artifact a power obssessed student in an era when the dark arts and killing curses were taught openly at Hogwarts decided had too high a cost to use). Then you add in the other information our character has of Sebastian growing more unstable and obsessed. His ignoring the arguments of Ominis, Anne, Solmon and potentially your character to stop. His putting other people in danger, he couldn't control those inferi regardless of what he believed or at least not all of them. His repeatedly showing he will lie to and maniupulate even his friends in pursuit of his goals. "I didn't want to lie to Ominis, I had no choice he wouldn't understand.". His growing willingness to use illegal dark arts over other options. The fact he's murdered two people (the goblin and his uncle) after they were defeated. I can go on. No to me at the end of the day its a simple question. Can you trust Sebastian if you cover up his crime and I can't. I've seen he will lie to his friends and manipulate them. I've seen his growing obsession and willingness to justify what he feels he "must" do. I've seen him instinctively deny doing anything wrong because others are mistaken. I don't feel either option is particuarlly good but I can easily see him lying to us at the end, I can see him just extending his blame from solely goblins to goblins and "dark wizard", I can see him continuing his obsessed purusuit of a cure for Anne especially if he feels he now has to make his previous actions not be all for nothing. I'll also add we don't know he's going to Azkaban just that he's awaiting trial what the Wizengamot will decide is not revealed.
@@liamwarner5749 Myeeah, good speach but its lackin theemotion comprehension. He was 15 years old and that age your brain is in the gutter for most of the things. Leaving that aside, he saw his parents death, yet you expect him to just stay and watch his sibling dying and think straigh and at only 15 years old? A good amount of us would kill and give their life ,just to protect our loved ones ( we already have these but they are called " army")Sebastian tried and tried to save Anne without using dark arts, as its already implied in a game. However, we know what happened with his last attempt of tryin to save Anne by simply not dwell on these dark arts. You never even asked yourself what was the reason behind Solomon's suspect behaviour towards every attempt Sebastian has made and if theres a reason of why hes refferin to Sebastian as his " youre just like my brother" like an insult? Seeing only Sebastian's flaws and not being being in the middle, it seems very bias and an excuse for you to tell urself " yes i have a good reason to hate on him" . Sebastian reggreted what he had done, so yes, personally i think he learned a lesson from that, especially if he wanna have his sister's trust back. I would also question the book too, since,the moment he had read it, he became trully unstable. And my theory is that he was goin to sacrifice himself, since the book required a human sacrifice for Anne to rebecome healthy.... We ( they) still dont know what Rookwood used on Anne and if the curse was lifted once he died. Im still very curious about that book. Im really hoping for a DLC where theres a happy ending and a cure for these brothers.
You know what aggravates me is there's a grave for this evil man but no grave for professor Fig, I'm lost without my professor and my little friend Lodgok..
This 😭😭 I miss them. And even though I didn’t send Sebastian to Azkaban, as he was my best friend. I don’t get to see him anymore… I was hoping he would at least be where you could go chat with him. Even if it was the same repeated dialogue or something.
All of this goes to show that the devs really wasted their time with boring ass Ragnarok and the painting guys whose names I couldn't care less about. It's ironic that they managed to create one of the single most boring plotlines in the franchise, but also the most compelling/unique with Sebastian, Anne and Ominis. All of that goblin/top-hat dude shit should've been reduced to background noise, and could've gradually gotten more intense in sequels or DLC - all in all, the core of the HP franchise has _always_ been the students. Its no surprise that characters like Poppy and even Imelda are more intriguing than these bland ancient stooges. Uncle Solomon might be one of the most complex antagonists in the HP franchise, dare I say more than Voldemort himself. They absolutely shot themselves in the foot by not connecting the Ancient Magic plotline with saving Anne. Honestly if the next update isn't the "Sallow Expansion" then I don't want it...
Me being the benevolent little Hufflepuff that I am, chose to not turn Sebastian in. Not only do I think that he was justified in what he did to Soloman, but I also think that it would've been pretty horrible of me to have sent him to Azkaban. He helped me when I needed him, he saved me when I needed to be saved, and he was just a good friend overall. He had good intentions and was only trying to help the people he cared for.😁
Honestly, am i the only one who not only is 100% with sebastian but also can't understand whe controversy around him? I mean they did make it a morally grey story to create these debates and it worked, however what i don't understand is the amount of people 100% against sebastian with no compassion towards this troubled kid who had nobody but the MC. If i ever befriended him IRL i'd be trying to be the older brother/father figure (wich in this case, he could see me as a mix of both, since i'm in my mid 20s) that he never had, and try to keep him from walking down a bad path wich his uncle clearly didn't care about. Specially due to how much of a good selfless friend he turns ou to be. in the end of the last mission i would have given him a hug and let him cry on my arms.
I really love the idea of my character to be in a trio with Seb and Omi...liek it has a great potential for a narrative that you fill-in the long gone gap of the OG trio with Anne
Sebastian's fault lies in two points. He was becoming more and more reckless as he progressed in his quest, culminating in him killing his uncle. The other point that could define him as a killer is the intent, the frustration, the built-up anger he harbored towards Solomon. However, we must still take into account that a young man of 15 years, left unchecked and without any guidance from his so-called guardian, is capable of many, terrible yet impressive feats. He does not deserve Azkaban. Solomon, on the other hand, let his emotions and his own idea of justice blind him completely to the point where he separated two halves of a whole, Anne and Sebastian, pitted them against each other, brainwashed and gaslighted Anne to remove every ounce of hope she possibly could have had and all of that just to prevent his own flesh and blood, his nephew, to dabble in dark magic; all of it because HE was the one who had bad experiences from using it. Sebastian is a skilled wizard, who managed to find ways to heal and break the curse imposed on his sister at only a young age, a feat not even St. Mungos was capable of. If he had received support and guidance... Well, suffice to say that Anne would probably be back at Hogwarts by the end of the questline. He is innocent, You Honour.
Did he do nothing wrong? No, he killed Solomon in a situation we had already won, so there is that, but that was a mistake in an emotional place. Normally he should be held responsible, but the whole System is wrong, sending him to Askaban accomplishes nothing and he isn't evil, at most misguided. I would argue that indeed Solomons dogmatism lead to the outcome we got and with sending him to Askaban we would complete the origin of a villain (i mean, it is a good origin story for one... :D), but by not doing that AND please helping him overcome what happened afterwards we do bring him on the right path. There is often that one point, one decision, that decides the fate of a person, I mean, just look at Harry Potter himself, could have turned out quite the villain too.
I really hope that, no matter, if we send him or not to Azkaban, devs wont make him a villain since hes the talk of the game and many ppl want a happy ending for him and Anne ( it would a too cliche move too with him becomin a villain if hes sent to Azkaban)
@@ryder_hd Who gives a shit about some made up rules about what magic you can use and what not... you can fuck up a person really badly with the allowed ones, worse even then with the unvorgivable curses I would argue...
@@FOertel First of all, it’s than*. Second this whole fucking scenario is literally made up, forgive me for not knowing which part of this fantasy world you weren’t going to give a shit about. You absolute weapon
Did anyone else feel like Solomon was mad at Sebastian for saving Anne from that goblin? I wish we would have had a backstory as to why Uncle Solomon has such a hatred for his brother. I feel like he was taking his hate on his brother out on Sebastian.
What was reckless about how the Sallow parents died? There were no detectors of the kind in that period that we know off seems unfortunate rather than reckless.
Didn’t sway my opinion at all here lol. Just cause he wants to be our friend doesn’t make him a good person! Plenty of people with friends do bad things. Also, Doesn’t mean Solomon isn’t also a bad person (he is). Seb got carried away many times and seemingly happily consumed by dark magic. He was willing to turn attitude on us multiple times when we disagreed (same for ominis) and only came back when we became agreeable again. I think the entire thing was him looking for a partner in crime to get him a cure for his sisters (which we were…). Then he used unforgivables multiple times when it wasn’t necessary. I’m team “sebs a young kid who cares about his family and got swept up in anger and made many poor decisions that led to him being deep in darkness”
sure, it was totally unnecessary casting imperio on a goblin that was about to kill his sister! oh, and casting crucio while having no option in the scriptorium when noctura's skeleton was lying there just because she had no one to cast the curse on? being lead to an absolute ultimatum BY his uncle who constantly was putting him down and basically blamed sebastian for anne's curse for no reason and being nothing but agressive, manipulative and toxic towards him, banning him from seeing his own twin? damn, why did he used the killing curse?
@@angelnumber444life The Cruciatus door was the only point in the game where an Unforgivable was truly necessary and that quite literally nothing else (including other Unforgivables) would have worked. Hence OP saying "when it wasn't necessary". The Cruciatus door doesn't count against either Sebastian OR the original commenter. However, in the Imperio and Avada Kedavra cutscenes he could've just used Depulso, or Stupefy, or Levioso, or some other spell. In both instances him using Unforgivables was an intentional choice by the game narrative; it wanted to tell us that instead of all the regular spells he learned at school that can adequately stop someone, his first choice is an Unforgivable. I'm not blaming him for being desperate or bitter considering the circumstances that led him there, but I am concerned about Unforgivables being his go-to.
Sam, I completely agree with you. Sebastian did make a few mistakes, but he truly regretted them in the end. He unfairly suffered mental, verbal, and emotional abuse from his uncle, who was clearly out of line. I have absolutely no patience for men like Solomon because he was the reason Sebastian was going down a dark path. People make mistakes; the important thing is that you learn from them. Plus, Sebastian wasn't wrong to give up hope for Anne since things only seem hopeless when you give up. Even in the darkest times, the light of hope always shines forth and performs miracles. Unlike some, I understand the reason behind Sebastian's actions, and I also know what it's like to practically lose a sibling. Also, during the goblin attack on Feldcroft, I didn't see Solomon do anything to save Anne. Sebastian may not think he's anything special, but I can tell he is. I highly doubt anyone else in his year has read as many books or learned as many advanced spells on his own as he has, and I doubt no one else would willingly help a new student catch up with their peers without a second thought or even pour all their time and research into helping their siblings. Because of Solomon, Anne doesn't know how lucky she is to have a brother like Sebastian, who frequently shows how much he loves her. I didn't have the heart to send Sebastian to Azkaban. He's only sixteen. Not all boys his age are mentally mature, responsible, or cautious; believe me, I grew up in a family filled with boys. Sebastian also had no support from the people around him and felt betrayed and alone; if he had more support, he wouldn't have ended up in this mess, to begin with. Solomon had what was coming to him, and he had no one to blame but himself. Guardians like Solomon are the reason why the CPS and Social Services exist, and if they existed in the 19th century, I would have reported Solomon for his treatment of Sebastian.
As a prude Ravenclaw I carefully considered this chose but couldn't turn him in because it's pretty horrible to sent a 15 old years teen to Azkaban. Strong as my MC is the best is to keep a eyes on him ourself since we have two more years hogwarts !
I wasn’t a prude Ravenclaw in the game, I was still cautious and used manipulation when I needed to and I couldn’t turn him in either. He was my friend and I considered two options: He and my character weren’t really different, but my motivations were on a larger scale and I was geared up as “the chosen one.” Seb was not. And then the obvious, Solomon attacked us in the catacombs. What was going to happen had he beaten us you know?
Sebastian is the definition of a Slytherin. He is ambitious and cunning by using us for his goals. But in the end he is a ture friend.
He is a stark contrast and foil to Draco Malfoy though, which is refreshing
So I'm a hufflepuff. He says during the quest for the first (?) piece of the triptyc, "there's that hufflepuff loyalty." And I was like "bro, you helped me in the library when you barely knew me... like bffs" haha
I entirely agree, kara. He is a true friend. And I stood by him.
I really appreciated the game for giving us Slytherin characters like Sebastian and Ominis. The main series didn’t have an opportunity to have a positive example of Slytherin, so I am happy that things like this are going out of their way to show examples of positive Slytherins.
He was the character whom I couldn't decide was a friend or foe. On one hand, he killed someone, on the other hand, we all feel awful for him. One on hand, he helped us, on the other hand, when we try to help him see a bit of reason, he accuses us of not caring. It's becoming harder to be his friend. And we still want to help him in his time of storm.
I really disliked the way Solomon speaks to people. He was condescending, stubborn, and hypocritical.
If he’d been more supportive, I truly think Sebastian wouldn’t have gone down the same path.
Yeah, but to be honest, then there is Ominis, Anne and possibly the player character that try to reason with him about going down that path, and he still does it.
I’m pretty sure Sebastian always wanted to use dark magic, its power always seems to tempt him.
The important thing about the curses (which writers seem to forget) is that they are unforgivable because the only way for them to work is if you truly want them too. This is why Ominis never forgives himself self for using crucious, because in order for it to work he had to WANT to inflict immense pain on the innocent his family had kidnapped. you can’t be forced to use them against someone you love, because you would never want to inflict those curses on someone you love.
I completely agree.
@@mc.builder8267 The fact that Sebastian has already mastered all three speaks quite a bit about his character and in his mind it´s okay to use them whenever he needs them and he uses them without much regret
@@melindamuller4466 it only takes that one horrible person to alter your life. Sebastian may have wanted to cure Anne all the same, but he may have done it a lot more rationally if his uncle wasn't yelling at him. Plus, his Uncle definitely seemed to be manipulating Anne into wanting her to just die already. I didn't really like Anne either as she sides with her horrible uncle instead of her own twin brother. If she was more receptive than maybe he wouldn't have done all that.
The amount of times I already tried to kill that uncle before Seb did 🤣
Ikr, how our character yelled "Uncle Solomon, please stop !" while throwing Crucio and Bombarda on him
@@calsela Exaclty! 🤣 And the second play trough I had mods... but avada didn't work on him....
He is a pain in the ass
@@calsela MC *throws Bombarda at Solomon* "PLEASE STOP!"
Same
My husband and I had this conversation: we think Solomon had no choice but to reluctantly take in his niece and nephew. They’re a burden to him, and he was literally waiting for Anne to die-one less problem to deal with. Sebastian was getting in the way of that. I don’t think Solomon cared about these kids at all. I felt nothing when Sebastian killed his uncle, only that it's unfortunate that a teenager has to carry that burden for the rest of his life.
Had me in the first half ngl.
The Uncle probably didn't like kids and was forced to take care of his niece and nefew. But he probably recognized that the curse was dark magic. And going down that rabbit hole of dealing with dark magic is what left him an angry old bitter man.
He wasn't "letting" her die. He recognized that she was going to and there wasn't anything he could do to stop it.
Sebastian was dabbling in multiple forms of dark Magic and after The Uncle, His Sister, His new friend(us) and his best friend Ominus all BEGGED and pleaded with him to stop. Sebastian said "Fuck you guys ur all wrong ima do it anyways" and had an army of inferi rising up, and knew all 3 unforgivable curses by the age of 15. Sebastian went to the dark side while claiming he was doing it for the right reasons.
Sebastian would've killed everyone in hogwarts and the surrounding hamlets, and killed every magical beast and creature/sentient race on the off chance He MIGHT have saved his sister.
The Uncle was 100% in the right for trying to put down the two 15 year Olds who wouldn't listen and kept playing with dark magic.
It was his duty as an ex Auror and as his family member/guardian.
Sebastian played with fire and was confused and angry when everyone told him that he'd not only get burned. But burn others as well.
@@EvilM0nkeyRulesIt seems to me that you played Sebastian's quests with your eyes closed, honestly. Sebastian is a 15-16 boy trying to find a cure for his sister COMPLETELY ALONE. Precisely because he is the only one who believes that there may still be a cure for Anne, while everyone else is willing to give up on her and simply wait until the moment of her death. Anne is the only family Sebastian has left. You can't blame him for trying to save Anne at all costs. Sebastian lost his parents when he was just a child, and has been suffering at the hands of the universe ever since. Sebastian is a much more complex character than just "a boy who's playing with fire." Look at his life with more empathy and understanding. Salomon was never a good uncle to Sebastian and Anne. He was always aggressive and rude to Sebastian for no reason, instead of just sitting down and talking and offering a little support to his nephew. In addition to Salomon trying to kill the main character and Sebastian, instead of advising the two teenagers, as any normal and healthy adult would do.
@franzita3064 ur so wrong it hurts. He BELIEVES there is a cure. But that doesn't mean there is one. And his belief of a cure leads him to pursue more and more dark magic. It doesn't matter if it's for a good cause. Dark magic is still dark magic. Like raising an army of inferi. Or learning the 3 unforgivable curses. I can blame him because The school, his Uncle, ANNE HERSELF, his best friend, and We the player. All BEGGED him to stop pursing darker magic.
But sebastian said "I'm not listening to anyone" and ended up going darkside. He's Anakin going to the dark side hoping to save Padme. He did it wrong and he deserves Azkaban for breaking all the rules, using unforgivable curses, and killing his uncle. Sebastian has plenty of chances this whole game to turn back and chose the light side. He chose to go darker. And in the end he did not end up saving Anne. The inferi triangle wouldn't have saved her. He was a man who was consumed with a task and would've murdered every single person in hogwarts to save Anne. Not realizing he had become a dark wizard and was on the path to becoming Rockwood.
Sebastian is a tragic tale but he deserved punishment in the end. He made his choices and killed in anger. He wouldn't listen to anyone and kept going down the path of the darkside. Ominus begged him to stop and he said "Nah I can keep going". He burned every bridge around him not realizing that he left himself alone on an island.
YOU didn't pay attention to his story because you felt for him. Not even seeing that he had turned to the dark side and was willing to murder in anger. Did he need to grow horns and a have a forked tongue with red skin and cloven hooves to get you to see he had been broken by life and was becoming evil and justifying bad actions time after time in order to do some good?
If you take the emotion out of it and really look at the story you can see he deserved what he got.
Let’s revel and share in this wonderful hobby and interest we all have in common, not resort to base insults. We’re better than that.
Solomon Sallow, former Auror, attacks two 15 year old teens clearly with the intent to kill, instead of *talking* to them. From the moment of my first playthrough I disliked him. This video has only enforced that.
A brilliant character study, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I didn't use unforgivable curses in the Solomon fight for two reasons, and neither is ethical in nature.
-Self imposed challenge: I didn't want to trivialise the fight
-As a fuck you to him: he's attacking two kids with intent to kill and I intended to beat him without unfair advantages as a way to establish dominance
Self defense with an illegal firearm is still a crime. It’s not that he killed his uncle for me it’s that he used one of 3 forbidden unforgivable curses
Sebastian attacked him first. Solomon _was_ talking, and he continued trying to talk after the fight. Sebastian killed him because he wanted to, nothing more. Solomon wasn't going to kill two kids.
@@kirikakirikakirika Solomon is an abussive guardian; children can handleonly so much before they reach their limit and snap. Also, all it takes is for one of his bombardas or diffindos to hit in an unfortunate spot and he'd have a dead child on his hands. If he didn't want to kill he would've stuck to stupefy/basic cast. Personally I don get why the killing curse is unforgivable; it's more humane then blowing or carving someone up or giving them 3rd degree burns and melting the flesh off their bones.
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Contrary to what the game would make you believe, Bombarda and Diffindo do not kill. Bombarda flings you or objects backwards and doesn't do enough damage to kill, and Diffindo does not cut deep enough to kill. That's why they're permissible in _student duels._ Both can be instantly cured by Wiggenweld. Bones can also be healed with Skele-Gro and burns are healed with Star Grass Salve. This all stems from a lack of knowledge of the lore. As I said, Solomon was not trying to kill anyone, he was trying to protect himself. Sebastian attacked him first, and all because he took his _illegal_ Dark Magic artefact from him and destroyed, as Aurors are _supposed_ to do. There's _no excuse_ for murder. And Solomon is _not_ abusive, Sebastian is, especially towards Ominis. Solomon devoted every waking hour to taking care of Anne and trying to keep Sebastian out of trouble. It's a wonder _Solomon_ didn't snap with how often Sebastian nearly got expelled and forced him to pull every string he could to keep him in school. Solomon took Anne to every healer he could find, including the ones in St Mungos (the best hospital in the wizarding world) and spent every day mixing potions to help her with her pain. He and Anne were clearly very close, as she picks him over Sebastian and leaves a note in Feldcroft saying she misses Solomon and doesn't think she'll ever be able to forgive Sebastian. Tell me, why would she feel that way for someone who was "abusing" her brother? Sebastian is an unreliable narrator who blames his uncle for everything, but we can gather from every other character that Solomon is a good man who's simply at his wit's end from dealing with Sebastian's bullsht.
I think Sebastian saying “I like having friends in my debt” wasn’t a manipulation at all. It was his way of saying he considers you a friend and was testing the waters, awaiting your approval.
Great video! Glad this came up on my recommendations :) Sebastian is definitely a complex character. Everything you've highlighted about his personality is why I liked him and don't consider him a bad person, despite killing Solomon at the end. His backstory is really tragic: he watched his parents die, which is devastating on its own. He was then carted off to an unsupportive uncle (who talked down to him and called him as "stubborn" as his dead father - ouch). And then he was faced with the possibility of losing the only family he had left that cared for him, which would have left him all alone with Solomon :/ knowing all that, it made sense why he did everything he did. When he AK'd Solomon, it showed to me how desperate he was not to lose the one family member he loved. I've seen a few people label him as an evil sociopath, when I don't think it's quite as black and white as that - he's a kid who's been dealt a bad hand in life, and who ended up making a horrible, impulsive decision
Sebastian and MC vs. Solomon:
It was self defense. Clearly somehow solomon being the ultimate carrier of the relic made it so that inferi didn't attack him (if they did, i surely did not notice that), but were raging against us. And he raged with the inferi against us. Even if Sebastian drew first blood, as the adult in the room, Solomon should have known better than to side with inferi. Inferi want us dead, and that makes Solomon's intentions clear. As such, killing him was in self defense, even if in the scene he was injured, he just did not lay down his wand, and did nothing at all to state that his intention of killing us is gone. He was still holding his wand, and no-one can tell what he would have done if we even turned around.
Knowing that we, or at least Sebastian will not stop until finding a cure for his sister, I doubt that Solomon would have done anything short of an unforgivable curse to stop him.
That being said, Sebastian did commit a moral wrong when he imperioed the goblin. It is not in the curse itself, which was a reaction. but, once casted, the curse incapacitates the victim. After that, clearly Sebastian has premeditated his intention, mostly on revenge for goblins cursing his sister.
One could argue that this is also self defense, like a muggle shooting a murderer who is attacking a victim.
I say yes, but then this is like the defender shooting the first shot, incapacitating the potential murderer, and then taking it one step further with premeditation and finishing the murderer off, effectively reversing the situation. The potential murderer is now a victim. And the once defender is a murderer with premeditation.
Also from a defense point of view, your main objective has to be limited to exactly self defense, not the murder.
Had Sebastian cast crucio or avada kedavra immediately in this case, it would have been absolutely acceptable. His premeditation of the Goblin to kill himself is what renders the situation a moral wrong.
However, is it an azkaban turn him in kind of wrong?... i think azkaban in itself is morally wrong 😂 so no i don't turn him in for the imperio curse. But i did scold him.
@@nukeplatine Well that's the thing isn't it. Everyone is saying Azkaban this and Azkaban that because we know that is the sentence for this crime. However in the game we are only told he is awaiting trial so its entirely possible the wizengamot might make a different decision e.g. snap his wand given his young age and apparent remorse. Its not actually a choice between hide his crimes and sent him to prison its a choice between hide his crimes and let the legal system judge him.
@@liamwarner5749 i know, but the minimum at this point is he gets expelled, and the thing about unforgivable curses is that they are a one way ticket to azkaban... and Sebastian is facing trial for killing his uncle... with the killing curse.
@@nukeplatine Pretty much my point at a base level. This is someone who has a history of lying and manipulation, who has killed at least two people with two of the three illegal curses, has shown himself to be highly obsessed with his sisters cure. Who did so deliberately after they were defeated, one while begging him to stop and AFTER turning a blind eye to his
previous murder.
People leap to defend him because he's charismatic and generally charming but I CAN'T trust him because all his repentence seems eerily similar to his justifications of why Ominis shouldn't be told about his research into the dark arts. Perhaps he'll get off with expulsion, perhaps he'll go to Azkaban, perhaps you'll cover up his crime and he'll become a serial killer starting with you as your the biggest threat to him.
We don't know and in fact if I remember right his repentence comes after you make the decision to turn him in or not so its technically forknowledge. The thing is for me at the time you need to decide every indication is that keeping quiet is just going to get more people killed in his quest for a cure.
What people always seem to forget is that Sebastian only used two unforgivable curses illegally.
As long as it’s not on another human it’s technically legal, many characters in the Harry Potter series used an unforgivable, even Professor Moganagal used Imperio on the Carrows.
Just finished my first play through as a square Ravenclaw. When the choice to turn him in came up, it was one of those moments I had to step back and evaluate things. In the end, I came to the same conclusion as you, Azkaban would do no good. Any potential he had for the future, lost forever.
The way I see it, My character would form a new group of Keepers. A group of four consisting of herself, Natty, Poppy, and our boy Sebastian. He has the potential to be the greatest member of the group. He just needs to be watched carefully, and given guidance.
The only way his story has a happy ending, is if the player sticks by his side, and make sure he doesn't make the same mistakes again.
The wild thing is that TECHNICALLY Sebastian did not use an unforgivable curse on a HUMAN when he Imperio'd that goblin who was charging at his sister.
In the books it's stated that "the use of any one of the Unforgivable Curses is enough to earn you a one-way trip to Azkaban." But again... Seb DIDN'T Imperio a human, so given how... strained... relations were with goblins at the time it would've been easier to excuse Sebastian using reasoning that it was in defense of a loved one and he didn't even cause the target any pain or lasting damage.
Solomon's idiocy thinking that nothing could ever cure Anne is purely a plot-driving thing, as even in the Muggle world you can't say what inventions tomorrow may bring, let along the MAGIC world. Wait until he hears about the Wolfsbane potion... oh wait he can't cos he's dead.
The one thing I'd say is that he's only human and any human with a care for others (especially a family member) would do anything to help them. Honestly before playing the game I thought all slytherins are bad, however Seb and Ominous proved otherwise. I wouldn't say Seb is completely innocent, but he doesn't deserve to be put in that Hell hole as he only used the forbidden spells to defend. And though some may argue killing the goblin and his uncle is murder, sometimes to save another you don't have a choice in killing. That's just my personal opinion of course.
I didn't like Solomon from the moment I saw the interaction between him, Sebastian, and Anne. He favors one child while actively pushing away the other, focuses more on his beliefs without even considering those of Sebastian's and Anne's, and dismisses one child's thoughtful determination to help his sister while putting a damper on any hopes or ideas Anne might have in her head of finding a cure for herself. Not the most ideal choice of guardian for kids, especially ones dealing with trauma.
This is why healthy communication in families is SO crucial to resolving conflict. How families communicate with one another teaches children how they will communicate with others for the rest of their lives. Parents and guardians set the stage for whether or not their child/children feel comfortable and safe enough to talk with them, so they can express their feelings, concerns, hopes, dreams, and ideas. Children who feel heard, understood, and accepted unconditionally by their parent(s)/guardian(s) are more likely to be resilient in contentious and difficult situations, often becoming reliable peacemakers and mediators in arguments.
Otherwise, you end up with something like this tragic turn of events, which is a direct result of a child feeling unheard, unsupported, and unloved in the home. Yes, Sebastian did ultimately CHOOSE to kill his guardian, regardless of the reason(s) why it happened. That's something which cannot be undone, and justice must be served. But it was a slow build-up of poor choices on Solomon's part that brought them both to their consequential ends, which is something Sebastian cannot be wholly responsible for, despite the seriousness of his actions.
In my opinion, mercy cannot rob justice, yet justice can be served with mercy. YOU as the player can essentially become the mediator for Sebastian in this conflict, ensuring his actions have consequences while helping him heal and find closure for his past and a semblance of peace in the future. How you choose to fulfill that role is entirely up to you because either way, he has to live with his decision to kill his uncle, and have his sister potentially be fearful of him and/or despise him for the rest of his life. All because Solomon cared more about nursing his stubborn, self-righteous beliefs instead of actually caring for and about his own mentally and emotionally charged niece and nephew.
When I first met Solomon and he wanted to talk to me about Sebastian, I thought he was speaking from the perspective of someone whose seen horrible dark things and truly knew what you lost that you couldn't get back. But then you meet him with any rational level of resistance and he crumbles into "NUH-UH. I'm right because yes."
Sebastian's the big problem was that he has been too obsessed with the idea, that he should do the good for his sister; and knowing how a lot of situations end up when you are fully into doing something and the rest may not value it enough, that has a great portion of realistic theme and consequence.
his quest line was in my mind one of the best in the game i wish more quests would have been like it.
Never really thought about it… but since the most common “magic word” is abracadabra and the killing curse is avada kadabera, that possibly means a muggle heard someone using the killing curse but misheard it and started using it in a magic show
Thank you! My husband is watching me play. He missed some scenes and does not understand why I’ve tried to kill Solomon and Imelda every time I see them . 😭😭😭
Great video.
Id love to add a different perspecitive. I have a gentic disease that caused my body to kill one of its organs. There is currently no cure and although its manageable a good part of the time im dealing with extreme health effects. Ive been apart of research studies since i was diagnosed. It's been 22 years of having it. Anyways the simple fact that its possible we may discover a cure makes things much easier for me and that hope goes a long way. If i would have had a family memeber telling me i would never be cured that would mentally mess me up. I cant imagine that annes mental health is very good in that situation and their uncle is simply making things so much worse. Granted soloman didnt need to die until he attacked mc for no reason but overall it may be better for annes health
Lets hadd tot eh fact Solomon confine Anne behind magic locks she cant open herself. Solomon is mighty sus already with the death of their parents being an untraceable undetectable poison, that and Solomon is a dark arts user himself. Seb and Anne have a huge mansion, while Solomon forces them to live in a single room cottage on a dead farm.
Imperio would have been fine, if not for the fact he forced the goblin to kill himself. Given his hatred of goblins I have no doubt he felt some sort of satisfaction from it and his sister's horrified expression at the goblin being made to kill himself was a dark moment for the darker half of his actions.
Was defo Sebastian being self-indulgent in that moment. Though it's not like collectively, everyone including Solomon hadn't just killed a bunch of goblins together already
@@SamBram indeed, but it is at the end of the dark incredibly dark to use imperio to force a suicide rather than simply any other form of incapacitation.
@@grandmyotismon I agree. It’s definitely that out of everything that was in his toolbox first. Just like when he tell you the whole game “you have to mean it”, then at the end defends himself saying “he didn’t mean it”.
@@grandmyotismon that goblin* was already posessed with dark magic and it would've kill anne and others again and again, if you're using logic we're killing thousands of them in the game already so... your mc is the true villain omg what to do! Lmao, anyway.
@@basak9746 it was a goblin you tool lol and sabastiam doesn't get plot armour unlike MC. All he had to do was imperio and have the goblin cripple it's self. To stab it's self in the heart Infront of his horrified sister
I’ve said it before about young characters, and I’ll say it again, kids, mostly teenagers, when given or discover something cool or dangerous, they don’t normally think of the consequences in the moment. Examples being Ashoka from Star Wars The Clone Wars series, and Darkstalker from Wings of of Fire: Darkstalker Legends.
The only thing I see there is that there were other options than the killing curse unlike with the Goblin. Not even impero but petrificus totalus would have been enough, then cutting ties with him to find the cure on his own. Not turning him in is the right choice too because he already knows how bad what he did was, plus he clearly doesn't want to go down that path again. He went for the first best option in his eyes without thinking about the consequences. There it is magic and killing instantly but irl it could have been a gun that you shot without realising you can kill with it. Not sure am clear but it was more irrational than intentional. Plus the "you have to mean it" is a bit bullshit. You can mean the same thing but coming different ways. Maybe he wanted him gone, not dead. The fact is magic is a tool and does only what you make it do. He used the wrong words, that's all !
Here's the thing though, the unforgivable curses have had that requirement since at least Goblet of Fire where we get introduced to them for the first time in detail, it's why they're unforgivable. If you're casting Avada Kedavra and you don't explicitly want the person to die, it will fizzle, just like Cruciatus and Imperius will if you don't mean them. Doesn't mean Sebastian isn't irrationally casting it, but in that moment he wanted Solomon dead or the spell wouldn't have gone off.
If you want to use a gun analogy, it's more like picking up an unloaded bolt-action rifle, loading a round, then aiming and firing it at someone, than it is picking up a semi-automatic pistol with your finger in the trigger guard.
@@TripleBarrel06 I see what you're saying but that means Snape really wanted dumbledore dead ? Maybe because he asked him to but the way you look at it he cred about him but he wouldn't kill him because he loathe him. I think it's trickier than just "mean it" then it works, more likely it will be effective or more effective if you mean it, like crucio barely inflicting pain when you're not sure. The fact is avada is instant kill so there is no in between I guess XD
I think people are conflating "malicious intent" with just "intent". Snape intended to kill Dumbledore because that was his duty, which isn't an inherently malicious intent. Sebastian intended to kill Solomon because he is overcome with emotional turmoil in the moment, and also because there was a very real threat of violence or even death had he not acted.
However, I am worried that of all the spells he knows, his go-tos when in survival mode happen to be the Unforgivables. That's probably evidence of a little bit of corruption sinking in, but I can't prove that.
To your point about adding the dialogue option to thank Sebastian, I just wanted to say that the game developers (despite giving you the option to not turn him in) CLEARLY wanted to paint him as the bad guy and almost seemingly try to coerce you into betraying him. Everything about the way the story is presented and the tone of his actions, the music, the reaction from every other character paints an incredibly clear picture that the game devs obviously wanted him to seem like a student turned villain and the only reason they gave you the option not to turn him in was in an attempt to give the player a bit of freedom of choice. They OBVIOUSLY wanted to make Sebastian seem out of line and make the uncle seem correct. This is made even more clear when you see Ann's response to the uncles death. Ann is stupid. She should have read the room and saw what her UNCLE was doing to lead to his death. It felt really good to NOT turn him in because it made me feel like I was giving the finger to the game devs a little and not doing what they obviously want and probably expect the player to do. The uncle is a moron. That was made entirely clear when he destroyed the relic. In addition to being able to thank Sebastion, I would have also liked to share a few choice words with the uncle, mainly I wanted to call him a selfish jackass. I hate the way the game writers framed Sebastion the whole time. It was infuriating. But im glad to have found your video because you actually pointed out the correct logical end point that anyone who played through the game should have reached. And why was Sebastion doing all this in the first place? Because he selflessly loved his sister, who pays him back for his trouble by disowning him? I hate Sebastions family.
I mean, who wouldn't go to the end of the word to save the life of someone you love?
My first playthrough as a Hufflepuff when I went to Azkaban I was thinking how absolutely horrible it must be for even a criminal to be subjeted to that place. Let alone someone who was ultimately innocent. And during the finale with Sebastian I knew immediately I wouldnt send him there. That place is far too cruel. Living with the guilt and his sister and best friend leaving him was enough punishment in my book.
I actually really like him I got into Slytherin just so I can have more in common with him and I have always been nice to him and during all of the cross wands matches he was my partner
You did this VERY well... but I can't agree that Sebastian "did absolutely nothing wrong". I think THIS is a major flaw in the game... Avalanche obviously didn't think this all the way thru... or they didn't care about the ambiguity. Once the game pits Solomon against the two of us, we either fight him or we die... so we were without a doubt acting in self defense... and unless we kill him, he will kill us. The stickler comes in with these so-called "unforgiveable" curses. The lore tells us they won't work unless we mean them... but that's not entirely true, is it? People resist the imperius curse... does that mean the caster didn't really mean it? Once, Harry cast Crucio on Belladonna (?) and it hurts bad... but it doesn't REALLY hurt bad, as she chastises him for not REALLY meaning it... and there is some ambiguity with the killing curse too... the one time it didn't work... did Voldemort not REALLY mean it? Intent has always been one element of a crime, but we muddy those waters quite a bit. We can place a lot of the blame on Solomon too... screwed up man probably because of the screwed up system... and WHO in the right minds would say that life at Azkaban is not cruel and unusual punishment. There's lots of blame to go around here... and Sebastian is probably least to blame... but that doesn't mean he doesn't carry any blame.
Bellatrix* ans yes you have to mean it, with avada kedabra you have to mean it otherwise you wont cast it, its a yes or no result, unlike the other two it will go from mild to strong
When Sebastian used the killing curse, he was defending himself. The uncle had just destroyed what he thought was the only thing that could save his sister... The uncle started the fight. Sebastian in various conversations about the three unforgivable curses, says that like any other magic they need concentration and will to work. I don't doubt that in his mind, while he wanted his uncle dead, how many times did the desire to see someone who had wronged us, dead, but in reality , it's not like that... I think Sebastian didn't really want his uncle dead, but just to hurt him.
I would just like to provide an alternate, and counter, debate to Sebastians innocents. Sallow's quest arch, directly, mirrors the main story of Hogwart's Legacy, with Sebastian wanting to take away his sisters "pain". Just as Isidora wants take away her fathers "pain" along with the root emotion of "pain" from everyone. The memories observed from the keepers are foretellings of how not being decisive and direct in dealing with unchecked recklessness, can place innocents in severe danger. With the memory of Percival foretelling his neglect in overseeing, supervising, and disuading Isidora from further pursuits of what she expressed. Percival's direct quote being, "It's not your pain to take." Sebastian directly mirrors this in his desperation to take his sister's pain away. I believe this is further amplified with his quest arch directly leading through Isidora's hamlet where her father's pain first began. Which so happened to also be, where Anne's pain first originated as well. Sebastians desperation, though amplified by his Uncle's dismissal of hope, is beyond reckless, to the point that he is willing to dive into Dark Arts, to find a cure. Similar to Percival's failure to redirect and disuade Isidora's pursuits in removing pain, our player character would follow those same foot steps if we do not turn in Sebastian. If our player character actually learns from the main story, then I believe turning Sebastian in is the correct ending to the story arch. If he is willing to cause so much pain simply in a reckless and desperate attempt to find that which cannot be found. Then it would be a safe assumption that he may very well put others in danger in the future under similar circumstances. Sebastians shows, in my opinion, reckless abandon in the great lengths he is willing to go with little regard to the lives of others around himself, so long as it provides him a glimmer of hope to take away his sister's pain. When one dives too deeply into passion, making it an obsession, it boardlines insanity when one is willing to take any risk in their pursuits. His obsession with taking away Anne's pain leads him down a path that no one should follow, and it leads him to murdering his Uncle. By no means am I saying his Uncle is innocent, as he failed as a gaurdian to better disuade Sebastian from his pursuits in a more healthy manner. I still stand by my final opinion that our player character is given an opportunity to make a different decision than that of Percival's in putting such a danger to rest before it ever becomes more serious and deadly.
As an additional note, I am not saying that I am wholely unempathetic to Sebastian, as I do feel a strong bond of friendship with him. I only wish there were more dialogue options available to disuade him from going down the path of Dark Magic in his search. Yes make it available for those players who want to pursue such dark paths, but also make a dialogue path for those who wish to remain away from such paths. While also being a true friend in leading our friend away from such a dangerous path. I really only wish our player character could keep Sebastian from going down that path through other more logical and rational dialogue choices, than be lead by Sebastian's blind emotional desperation.
@@josephfullerton1919 I dont think he will go down as a dark wizard but only as a person with a quest, learning magic is ALWAYS without a doubt goes with consequences, every SPELLS can either be as deadly and lifesaving depending on who uses it, medicines were used in a lot of animals/human trials before being passed, need I remind you he doesnt have time in his hands because her sister's life is ticking which adds to the pressure, if he gets sent to azkaban we might as well be there with him as we killed a lot of goblin's and wizards in pursuit of trial 'challenges', morality can go both ways my friend.
@@ardendavid5515 All very valid and true points. I just feel its an injustice to Sebastian as a character for our character not being able to do more to prevent him from using the unforgivables in ways that lead him to Azkaban. Though I do not at all agree with his Uncle, Sebastian shouldnt have murdered him. I may not think Sebastian will follow down the path of being a Dark Wizard, but I also cannot deny that it is easilly possible. It is also easilly possible that sending him to Azkaban can in fact rapidly send him down that path to being a Dark Wizard from his hatred and grudge against Goblins and Dark Wizards. Its a double-edged sword were either choice is a poor choice for the ending of his arch.
@@josephfullerton1919 yeah I do hope there's a follow-up arch on Hogwarts Legacy 2 about Sebastian's status, he is by far the most interesting part of the game even beating the story imo, you can see it in his eyes the passion he have to protect us from harm like Harry is to Hermione and Ron, he even dropped his wand when he killed his uncle feeling remorseful because he tried to kill us! I also wish that theres a community centre for troubled wizards to bring them back to society as were only on our 5th year when we experience death
The Uncle's anger at Sebastian saving his sister is infuriating. It's like a parent telling their child that they're not allowed to defend themselves if someone tries to kidnap them or something. Sometime, you gotta do what you gotta do to defend yourselves and your loved ones.
Not sure your comparison to Snape holds up. Snape was ultimately doing exactly what Dumbledore wanted and what he had to do. You can mean it even if you don't like it.
totally off topic here, but when we were fighting the uncle I just started blaring "Duel of the Fates" because even I knew this moment was important.
I hated solomon.
I would have done the same as Sebastian. I would save my sister even with an unforgivable curse.
Solomon felt like a piece of shit right from the moment he got introduced... The way he seemed to get triggered everytime anything regarding curing Ann was mentioned.. my first impression was he might be a villain pretending to be the guardian and for some reason trying to make sure Ann remained cursed
I read a fanfiction where the MC (female) helps Sebastian to emptying the house and found a diary owned by Solomon where he wrote Anne was getting better since a long time but he gave her potions for keeping her sick (prentending it's medicine) for having her by his side and planned to wait one year before stopping. He also planned to bring her away from Feldcroft and that the moment where Sebastian used Impero was the perfect excuse
At this time the 3 unforgivable curses will still get you into Azkaban regardless of the uses. Imperio allows full control over the person it's casted on. Sebastian was in the wrong when he casted Imperio. You could argue he's trying to save Anne from the goblin attacking her, but his first instinct is to make the goblin kill himself. He could make the goblin do anything in that moment but Sebastian chose the suicide route. Even we as the player don't go that dark when we cast it. Sebastian also went too far with Avada Kedavra. You could already see Solomen was weakening after the fire the way he was holding his stomach from his injuries. It was at that moment any defensive spell could be used on him and still win the fight. But Sebastian went overboard again and went right for the worst thing you can cast in that situation. Both of those instances you can't defend him cause those are instances where he clearly did the wrong thing for the sake of doing the wrong thing. He may have started out genuine but his search drive him into madness resulting in choices where he was completely ignorant to any other better solution
Unfortunately ambition can quickly turn into an obsession and quite honestly both parties are at fault. Solomon for not showing Sebastian the affection he shows Anne (which is creepy af) nor trying to understand him and turning him into a black sheep of the family as for Sebastian by allowing his ambition to heal Anne to become an obsession and not listening to reason from his "Best" Friend(s) Ominus who knows the consequences of dark magics and the player and at times lashing out at the player if you choose to tell him about working with Lodgok. Even though Sebastian is a victim of his home environment he did attack Solomon first after he took the relic and destroyed it to attempt to prevent his nephew from going down a dark route. In the end murder is murder no matter how you try to justify it. So sadly Sebastian is guilty of murder and Solomon is guilty of being a terrible guardian, pushing Sebastian to the breaking point and being a creepy uncle. Two wrongs don't make a right. I maybe a Hufflepuff, but there are somethings you just can't write off and ignore out of loyalty.
Sebastian is the best character, Harry Potter sucks compared to him.
I saw both sedastian and Solomons sides and understood both. Sebastian wanted his sister back and is willing to do anything even meddling in the dark arts to find a cure. And solomon loves both of them and wants whats best but with how sebastians parents died and anne being cursed and sebastian meddling with the dark arts to help it scared him. He doesn't want sebastian to die like his parents did and he tried everything in his power to cure anne and protect sebastian.
But wveryone over looked anne in this story. Yes sebastian killed in self defense and isn't guilty of anything more than being a disturbed caring brother. However, killing solomon left both him and anne with one less family member abd caretaker. Anne wants to be cured but not at the expense of others. This is why solomons death is tragic. It pushed anne to not only resent her brother but destroy everything he had related to the dark arts (slytherin's book).
so much fun to see at 2:15 that the image shown is actually a LLoyds' bank in Oxford.
What struck me about that first exchange between Sebastian and Solomon was the "Look what you've done". Like... he knows perfectly well these episodes are totally random, as Anne later on explains to us. He just said it because he knew it would hurt Sebastian. How messed up is that?
Also, I noticed that after that scene where Sebastian uses imperio to save Anne, when you go back to Feldcroft, there's a lock on the door to their house. You literally have to use alohomora to get inside, and Anne's just chilling by the table drinking tea as usual. Solomon has issues.
Oh, I hadn't noticed that detail about the lock... I didn't visit again untill Solomon being buried... By the way, I didn't expect to see his tomb next to the house, but it was "cool", making it feel more real and coherent with the events
I felt like although the episodes are mostly random, the fight breaking between Seb and Solomon might have triggered it there. But it doesn't even matter then, because Solomon started that fight, not Sebastian. If anything Anne was excited to see the shrivelfig :
You can't really use the lock as an argument since that's a gameplay mechanic and hardly unique to them I've opened several other locked houses (with the lock on the outside) to find people sitting inside them.
@@liamwarner5749 I can if the lock appears specifically after Solomon forbids Sebastian from seeing Anne. It's not there before the goblin attack. I doubt it's a coincidence.
@@dominikam2920 I thought it was there before as I vaguely recall unlocking it when I went through Feldcroft before Sebastians mission. I'll load an earlier save and take a look.
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Well after a very long run down there on my slytherin I can confirm there is indeed no lock on their house at least early on. I'll have to see if one appear's there during that scene in the future you've got me curious now.
The minute that guy looked at me in the Restricted section and said that no one else was with him. I knew I'd walk Is through hell for him. His ending was so sad Is in the end he gains nothing and loses everything Even as a strong believer in justice I couldn't bring myself to have him taken away.
True. In the end his uncle is dead, his sister and best friend have cut him off, and he's left to deal with what he has done. That's punishment enough for him. If you turn him in, he will probably end up in Azkaban and that's not going to help anyone. So even though I do think him killing uncle Solomon was wrong, I don't think turning him in is the right call. If I was in my character's shoes I'd probably do the same as Ominis - cover up for Sebastian, but then end the friendship. Sebastian's friends have been there for him through thick and thin, but murder is the last straw. If you commit murder you can only expect your friends to walk away from you. I'd like to think that was his wake up call and he became a better person.
Being a strong believer in justice and letting him go free are incompatible
@@ryder_hd Azkaban is no justice
Sebastian chose to fight his uncle. He could have put his wand down. Sebastian only whined to his uncle rather than break himself to convince him like a real man. Sebastian’s will was weak because he is weak and he got weak results as he demonstrated again and again. Just like how many young people end up in jail. Azkaban is too good for him.
It most likely truly was self defense. Everything we know about Solomon and the fact he attacks you instead of the inferi all point to the facty he was going to kill you and Sebastian
Honestly, underrated comment about how Solomon seems like he’s just waiting for Anne to die. He strikes me as someone who is resentful of being “saddled” with the role of caretaker for a sick niece and just wants her to “hurry up and die already”. That’s why he’s so resistant to any efforts to save Anne. He’s done, but he doesn’t feel he can get out of being her caretaker without losing face.
ME TOO MAN. From the beginning it felt to me like Solomon WANTED Anne to die. You can be hopeless for a cure without being hostile and angry at anybody trying to find one. All the hostility and anger towards any mere sugestion that she can be cured, not only anger but flat out attempts to destroy anything that might cure her, specially after sebastian said not everything was tried, (wich is a choice of words that doesn't come out of mere "hope that there's a way out", but usually when the person KNOWS there are other options) suggests to me he DOESN'T WANT a cure to be found.
And more, the sheer anger when sebastian saves his sister's life, Solomon showed no relief, no sign of being happy his niece was ok... only anger. Why? How come the guy shows NO SIGN of relief if the relief is really there? Only can be the case bc it isn't, there's no relief and it can only be the case if he WANTED her to die. Seriously, i saw no reason to think anything other than "He wants his niece to die"
Did you notice how Solomon seems to absolutely hate Sebastian’s father? And hate Sebastian.
Wanting someone to die, but taking no actions to kill them is not a crime. Killing someone is.
And if he did want Anne to die, would he take her to St. Mungo's? If he hated her so much, why would he not ship her off to Hogwarts and tell her to cover it up?
Solomon isn't a perfect parent. I wouldn't even say a good one. But he does care.
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit There’s a difference between just not doing anything and actively pushing against the possibility of doing anything. To me, it always seemed like Solomon did the latter. He took her to St. Minho’s because that was required of him as her guardian, then, when they couldn’t find a cure, he refused to even entertain the possibility of there being some other cure for this obscure curse.
I’m not cheering Sebastian on for killing him at the end of his quest line, but that was self defense. Solomon was the one who started using Fiend Fyre- which we’ve only ever seen dark wizards use up to that point in the game. I’m also not saying Sebastian making Inferi was good either. However, Solomon never seemed like a loving father figure to me. He very obviously blamed his brother for the gas leak that killed him and his wife (also what?! There’s a reason we put foul smelling chemicals in natural gas nowadays- it killed a lot of people in the exact same way), he seems to blame Sebastian to some extent as well (always referring to him as his father’s son when he’s angry), and he will not even entertain the possibility that there’s an obscure cure that could at least mitigate some of the curse’s symptoms? Just sounds like a guy who feels trapped with kids he didn’t want and can’t see a way out that doesn’t result in him losing face with his neighbors.
As for why he doesn’t just send Anne to Hogwarts and tell her to hide her curse. It’s very clear she can’t hide it. The symptoms are too severe. She’d also be around people who could easily spot the symptoms- the curse’s existence would quickly be revealed. But if he did want to hide her away, what better place to do that than at home? He can look like the loving uncle (he’s letting her live with him after all. He’s feeding her, clothing her.) And he can make sure no one sees how bad she is (she can’t have visitors- she’s too ill at the moment, etc). Finally he can keep her away from anyone who might have any new ideas for a cure. Seriously, he was an auror- he could have at least asked his old connections to keep their eyes open for new treatments.
@@catlover2223 Well you're wrong.
It wasn't. He could've given up faster.
Because there wasn't. If the best hospital in the world can't help, nothing will.
Wrong. Solomon was literally defenseless when he was killed. And Sebastian attacked first. And he was up against two wizards, one of whom he KNEW wielded Dark Magic, and who both managed to kill a troll single-handedly.
It's nice to know that there are people who believe this video's idiotic lies, even when the subtitles LITERALLY SHOW YOU that he's using Incendio.
It's not even in the game.
Solomon being a bad parent doesn't excuse his nephew from murdering him. Nothing does.
That's not him blaming Sebastian. That's him blaming his brother for being an awful parent in his eyes.
Because the best hospital in the world didn't believe so, and he didn't want his niece to die with false hope.
Still doesn't excuse Sebastian murdering him.
That's still time that he would get alone. Yet he doesn't let her go.
So he is loving? After all, he's taking care of her, not giving her false hope, trying to stop her brother from using Dark Magic.
Yes, using the killing curse is unforgivable. No exception, period.
Next time, make sure to transform Solomon into a barrel and yeet him at one of the inferies or even better, at one of the goblins. Because their blood is on Ranrok's hands!
I love that quote. 🤣🤣
I love the idea of MC just getting so used to that line, after he defeats ranrok, whenever he massacres anyone he just goes "your bloods on rantoks hands!... wait a minute..."
@@gomes7066 Like Falcon from gameranx said, your character is a sociopath.
@@johnheuslerjr9623 bro fr, the mc makes voldemort look like a good guy
@@gomes7066 Yeah 🤣🤣
If Harry can become an auror after casting 6 unforgivable curses with 4 being successful, then Sebastian doing 1 measly killing curse is no big deal.
But he never took the leap of the killing curse .
@@MrJoueurdusalon doesn't matter. 2 cruciatas against the longbottoms put Bellatrix in Azkaban. Harry tried to do cruciatas 3 times with one time being successful. Anyway; the 3 Imperio's against goblins could spark a goblin rebellion war against wizards.....safer to lock Harry up in azkaban to please the goblins / have peace.
@@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi Imperio is legal when the trio use for Goblin and the crucio is vs bellatrix and in the weak version Bellatrix tell that.
@@MrJoueurdusalon No , imperio is not legal. Only legal by an auror teacher on an Insect in the classroom demonstration...Never on a being, creature, etc. Unforgivable not sometimes forgivable. Goblin rebellions/ wars have started over less. Harry used Cruciatas succesfuly against Carrow.
@@MrJoueurdusalon Don't forget the successful cruciatus on one of the carrows.
"A spell that could save your life shouldn't be unforgivable." Sebastian did everything to save his sister, not many people have family willing to go so far.
Agreed. One of the Keepers used it to save his friends, and I would have done the same!
Yes, he tried to save his sister... From an incurable curse that his uncle knew more about than he did. Sebastian and Anne both lost their parents due to the same path Sebastian walked down, I can 100% understand Solomon's side more than Sebastian.
@Charlie-xu4fw But his uncle doesn't know everything. Thinking he does is only an assumption. To say you understand him 100% over Sebastion proves you have no compassion. Sebastion believed there was a cure for Anne, and he would do anything to save her. The uncle basically gives up thinking it's uncureable without knowing the full context. He just sees it as he feels, and that's supposed to be a fact? More like an opinion that he uses to break up the sibling relationship between Anne and her brother, merely so he can say he was right all along.. even though it's clear he's in the wrong. He doesn't even bother trying to find a cure. He just accpets that she can't be cured, and instead of supporting Sebastion who truly wants to save his sister, he tells him to go away as if he means nothing to him. That's being a good uncle to your nephew who wants to protect his sister? I shouldn't have to explain this, it should be common sense.
I understand why he did what he did but there were other options available other spells he could have used I didn't turn him in though azkaban isn't a place for a stupid teenager meaning well
@@Charlie-xu4fwWhat on earth are you talking about? Sebastian and Anne’s parents died by carbon monoxide poisoning and I wouldn’t be surprised if his uncle did it. Locked them up.
after the way solomon talked to me and to seb on the previous quest...i was 3 seconds away from killing him myself. seb is innocent, your honor. he did a community service.
I'm sure Fig would agree considering how he thanked us for killing Rookwood xD
So because you don’t like how someone spoke to you you wanted to kill him, and agree with Sebastian killing him? How very American
@@ryder_hd bold of you to assume I'm american 🤣🤣🤣 I'm not btw 💃
@@cassandranightshade696 well then Canadian, which is basically American lmao
@@ryder_hd wrong continent 🤣🤣🤣
33:28 Fiendfyre curse. Yes, it's not an unforgivable but it is advance dark magic. I find it ironic Solomon was so against Sebastian using Imperio to save Anna, but then he turns around and cast Fiendfyre on our butts to 'protect' his nephew. 😂😂
Is it really dark magic? That's hilarious, the man so against Dark Magic casts it upon us.
@@commodorejones8044 when you think about it for more than 5 seconds the killing curse is the nicest out of all the dark magic in harry potter.
Imperio can literally make somebody kill themselves against their will. It could also be used for other fucked up things if you really start thinking of possibilities.
Crucio is torture it does nothing else and you have to be okay with what you are doing or like it for the spell to work. Like torture is torture there is no self defense justification for torture. Even imperio has some self defence application. "Imperio, stop, go home and rethink your life" and then they would.
Fiendfyre is basically uncontrollable fire. once that spell is cast it will burn everything till there is nothing left around. You and other people included if your concentration drops for even a second which is pretty easy when someones casting spells at you.
The killing curse hits you then poof you're gone thats it. Out of these 4 imma the quick death. The best way to stop a bad guy with a killing curse is a good guy with a killing curse unless theres horcruxes involved.
@@commodorejones8044 Yeah, it's definitely dark magic. It was banned from being taught at Hogwarts until the Death Eaters took control of the school in Book 7. It being called the "Fieldfyre Curse" is already enough of a hint that it's an evil dark spell, but the incantation is Pestis Incendium, which means "fire plague" or "fire pest". In the books/film, there's also no way to extinguish it unless someone knows the counter curse. It will just continue to grow and grow, destroying everything in its path forever. If you are engulfed by the fire, an excruciating death is assured. It's also a far worse way to die than Avada Kedavra, which is 100% painless and instant (as Dumbledore said, he's very much content with going out from the killing curse compared to letting the curse on his hand take its course or the horrible things the Death Eaters would do to him). It's also capable of killing a ton of people at a time, compared with the killing curse which only hits one at a time. If you somehow got hit by Fiendfyre and survived (assuming it didn't hit any vitals or engulf your entire body), it would also likely be as painful as Crucio. Not to mention leave you potentially disabled for life and with permanent scars (and since it's a dark magical curse, there would be no way to heal the damage). Fiendfyre 100% deserves to be an Unforgivable Curse at least on par with Avada Kedavra and Crucio. If not moreso.
@@commodorejones8044 Yes. It's literally cursed fire than cannot be extinguished by water and has a malevolent mind of its own, often transforming into chimeric animals.
@@Nemo_Anom The Audacity of the uncle is wild.
I wish we could comfort Sebastian, tell him he did his best. He was and is my favourite character in the game. Thank you for this video.
Same
Yes! I want to hug him so bad in the Krypta 😞
It's so weird how Solomon seems to not give a fuck about... Basic reality. OK, so they haven't tried Shrivelfigs before, maybe try it and see what happens? Rather than just yeeting it out of existence. Secondly, when Sebastian uses _Imperio_ on that goblin, that goblin was. Going. To. Kill. Anne. Did he not see that? The Imperius Curse would've had the lowest chance of unintentionally hurting Anne. But is Anne's life a thought in Solomon's mind? No. He doesn't care that Anne is alive, he only cares that Sebastian used "dark magic". What kind of magic isn't dark when used to kill goblins? Why is killing a goblin with _Confringo,_ literally burning it to death better in Solomon's mind that using _Imperio?_ Also, I was throwing down _Crucio_ on those goblins like there was no tomorrow, so a bit of _Imperio_ is nothing.
Then he takes the relic, the one thing that actually has a _chance_ of saving Anne from this torture and fucking destroys it. I dunno, I think he deserved being dropped like that. He goes into the room, hears us talking about how the relic is keeping the inferi in check. Destroys the relic, then instead of helping deal with the Inferi, Solomon thinks it's a better idea to start attacking two 16 year old students... WTF Solomon?
I really would not compare the story and the MCs actions when roaming around, those are two completely separate things. And he could have used like any of the other spells that incapacitate and opponent, Levioso, Depulso, Glacius, Arrresto Momentum, Accio, Expelliarmus....
They are called unforivable curses for a reason. And like @melindamuller4466 mentioned he could have used a great number of non leathal spells to save Anne
@@Crowbars2
A few things here:
1. Shrivelfigs canonically do not cure curses. That's in the HP lore. If they did, I'm sure they would've tried it at St Mungos, where Solomon initially took Anne. He absolutely cares that she's alive, as even Sebastian admits he took her to see every possible healer, and you can find him mixing potions for her if you visit their house.
2. Sebastian could've used literally any other spell to stop the goblin. And Unforgivables are named so because they rot the user from the inside out. The Killing Curse even fractures their soul.
3. Sebastian attacked Solomon first. Solomon merely used Accio on the relic, and he destroyed it because it was sending a hoard of Inferi to Feldcroft. The people were going to be the "dark sacrifice" the relic called for. That's why Anne and Ominis went and got him.
I swear people who wanted Solomon to die or actually think he "deserved it" didn't pay attention to anything. He was taking care of Anne and he saved Feldcroft. He tried to keep Sebastian on the right path, but he wouldn't give up and he refused to listen to anyone, even his friends.
@@kirikakirikakirikakeep sebastian on the right path!? He was ABUSIVE to him at BEST. Even the keepers weren't that horrible to Isadora and what she did was way worse. Solomon never let Sebastian talked and manipulated the situation constantly to make it seem as if Sebastian was crazy for wanting to heal his sister. A rational adult would simply say "hey bud, we are trying everything and just know you're not in this alone." What does he do instead? Solomon yeets a sweet gift and then yells at his nephew in a very immature way.
@@adriannaa545
The only abusive one was Sebastian, especially to his friends. Poor Ominis. He manipulated him, lied to him, used him, mocked him, and ignored his panic attack.
When we first meet Solomon, the very first thing he says is, "We've been over this." The game gives us very important context clues, showing that Solomon has very clearly tried everything with Sebastian. When we meet him, he's stressed out and at his wit's end. Sebastian _knows_ his uncle has tried everything, including taking Anne to the best healers in the wizarding world (all of whom said she was incurable), but for him it's not good enough. Every healer said Anne couldn't be helped, but did Sebastian listen? He doesn't listen to _anyone._
Also, that "sweet gift" is poisonous if used wrong. That's probably why Solomon didn't want it in the house. Shrivelfigs canonically don't cure curses. At all. And Solomon only yelled at Sebastian when he started arguing.
Also, Isidora was an adult when she started messing around. A professor. And when she took it too far, the Keepers killed her. Solomon knew the Killing Curse, but he didn't use it on Sebastian. He never intended to hurt him. In fact, if you replay the level and let Sebastian fall, Solomon protects him from the Inferi.
him dropping his wand immediately screams regret to me, I don’t think he wanted to kill his uncle. However, he could have meant it considering like you say in this video solomon was more than capable and willing to kill you and sabastian. He felt like he needed to to protect you, himself, and his sister.
Regret? When Anne destroys the spell book he says “what have you done?” Showing absolutely no remorse or personal responsibility
@@ryder_hdAnne destroying the spell book means he doesn't have regret in looking for a cure.
That's different than killing your uncle. They don't have to be interwoven.
Regreting a crime is still committing a crime.
@@ryder_hdHe can regret his uncle's death but also not be happy with the destruction of Slytherin's spell book. The two things aren't exclusive.
I think it was in the moment with his emotions....his uncle destroyed the one thing that could possibly save Anne....and everything that happened is SOLOMON attacking them. It was self-defense. Solomon if you listen even blaming the player (YOU) and saying horrible things....and being that Solomon was a former Auror...and know the dark arts. This made him more dangerous.....so I think between the mix of emotions...and wanting to protect himself, Anne and the player...he killed him. But instantly regretted it...and couldn't believe what he done.
For me, I always stood by Sebastian cause I would do *exactly the same things* that he did to save Anne. I have a little brother that I have been super close with since he was born. I would literally tear apart the world to save him if I ever needed to. If I was Sebastian and my little brother was cursed, I would do everything within my power to save her, forbidden spells would hold no weight to me cause at that point my sole purpose would be saving my brother, consequences be damned. And if my uncle was fighting me at every fricking turn, telling me to stop, to give up, blaming me for his pain, etc., I frankly would have used the killing curse too. We have to remember that Anne is the only family Sebastian had left, since Solomon has never really been a family member to him, so of course he would do everything to save her. I genuinely hated Solomon in my playthrough because he gets so mad at Sebastian and is mean to him for simply trying to save the person he loves most in the world. I also appreciate how Sebastian doesn’t see magic as good or evil, but rather a tool. Like a knife isn’t evil, but the person who uses it can commit evil deeds with it. Seb is a lot more open minded than most of the other characters
To quote one of my favorite books “Remember this a hero defends what is Just and a villain defends what is theirs.”
Facts. 👏
Agreed with all of this.
Yeah, okay, but when you get warned by your two best friends, your sister, and (rudely) by your uncle, that the dark artefact that obviously requires some dark sacrifices, then at one point you become evil. At one point you might tell yourself it's for them, but it's merely for yourself.
I've played through the Sallow timeline twice and I'm still amazed at how Solomon lumps the character with Sebastian (IE practicing the dark arts). During the confrontation I went out of my way to not cast at Solomon, other than stupefy when his spells bounced off my protego shield. I don't recall Solomon even hitting an inferi, just the two of us.
Honestly the boss fight shows how much of a hypocrite Solomon actually is. He says after the Imperio incident "This family does not resort to using dark magic, even against our enemies" But he has no problem casting FIENDFYRE on 2 teenagers???
@@stevenceja4706 Exactly!
The 2 of us...? In my playthrough Soloman only casted curses at ME!! He never went after Sebastian, just me. Seb took out the Imperi while I was trying to dodge his uncle, lol. I'd like to think he was protecting my character in that moment just as much as he was trying to protect Anne.
It is possible to bounce the stupefy off the protego to a different caster, not the one you protected from. It is 100% dependant on the target you're locked in right now.
So if you had went out of your way to lock on, for example, an inferi, the stupefy would've hit the inferi, not Solomon, even if Solomon was the one who made you cast protego.
But if you play like me who rarely locks on a specific target and just let's the game highlight whoever my stick is pointing, then you can rarely control the stupefy. In my games, the stupefy rarely hits the original target. It pisses me off :P
My Ravenclaw carefully considered the facts of the situation and decided to not turn in Sebastian for killing Solomon. Seb, on multiple occasions, generously passed knowledge of extremely valuable magic to me that saved my life countless times and helped me stop the evil Ranrok. Not only did I owe my life to him many times over, but he saved me from an enraged Solomon who ceased being reasonable and attempted to kill me simply for trying to help Seb save his sister. Seb is a bro and I would never betray him unless he betrayed me first, and so far, he's done nothing of the sort. I hope that continues in the sequel.
They're making a sequel?
@@nobleconsejera5278 With the huge success they've had, and the way the story ends, I really hope so.
@@nobleconsejera5278 I think they’ve pretty much set it up for a trilogy. you start on your 5. Sequels would most likely be year 6 and 7
@@nobleconsejera5278 they have to make a sequel. I hate how this quest ended. Such a cliffhanger. Anne is gone , leaving a letter in Feldcroft for Sebastian, Anne is still sick, no closure, no sad ending, no happy ending. Nothing.
I hope they will continue this quest in our 6th year, starting with Ministry of Magic finally decided to investigate the case of Solomon. Then they found out that Solomon was killed by Avada Kedavra, Sebastian is in trial, and we attended as a witness. We would have 2 choices to tell the truth or lie, but in the end Sebastian still got into Azkaban.
Then Anne is back in Feldcroft, dying, and has a last wish to meet Sebastian
Then we learn Patronus charm with Ominis and infiltrated Azkaban, fight dementors and save Sebastian
lmao
A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward.
Btw, I personally think slytherins get a bad rap bc of Voldemort. Before he showed up, it seems like all the houses got along and it was just friendly competition. Hogwarts legacy shows us a time before Grindlewald or Voldemort and most slytherins are kind and helpful
I wouldn't go that far. We see one trying to rip a Kneezle's whiskers off its face for a few galleons and another burning a muggle born students book. There's not the same hatred of the house true but I wouldn't say they're all kind and friendly.
Salazar Slytherin totally didn't make a chamber to house a basilisk for the purpose of murdering every Muggleborn at the school...
Sebastian was a bro early on, Anne and Ominis were great characters as well, but Slytherin can't just leave behind the namesake legacy.
Eh, sort of. The house as whole has a reputation of turning out a significantly larger number of dark wizards and witches which reaches back to the time of Slytherin himself. The Gaunt Family is proof of that, the entire family (sparing Ominis and Noctua) is so morely corrupt it shows up at birth. The students of Slytherin, as long as the Gaunt line continues, have access to the Scriptorium and the Chamber, both of which are areas Slytherin created using Dark Magic, a creation of Dark Magic inhabits the school because if him. Not every student that is in Slytherin becomes evil but the house has that reputation for a reason, Voldemort is simply the latest byproduct of it not just from school but through his morely corrupt and magically corrupted heritage as well.
Most of the Slytherin characters are kind and helpful in the game because every Hogwarts character in the game is kind and helpful. Even the most annoying characters are usually for things like the reverse bocci game, nothing with real stakes or implying dislike of the player character. The biggest problem I had with the game was that it has a distinct lack of Filches, Kreachers, and Malfoys. Every single enemy is either a Ranrok Loyalist, a Poacher/Dark Wizard, or is in opposition to a Hogwarts student. It gave the castle a weird Stepford feel like your ancient magic powers were casting a latent Imperius curse on everyone around you.
@@TripleBarrel06 There's a few snarky comments and smug Charlette Morrison but your right there's more bullying aimed at NPC's than at you which is odd.
Honestly liked the sebastian storyline more than the main storyline. Shame the companions have no involvement in the climax of the game.
It totally was, just finished the game for the first time. I mean, yeah, Natty and the other one are likeable and all. Yet, the fact remains that Sebastian is the most human, does the most for us and I totally ship him with my character. From the moment I met him I knew that he was the GOAT. He deserved better.
I wish we spent more time with the other characters too. Maybe have brought the NPCs along and formed a squad. Hogwarts Legacy Squad.
People play to learn the curses and the story around it is a lot more interesting than the: you have a special power and we 4 dumbs want to make sure you don't do nothing good with it
When my sister and I first played this quest, we were certain that with the way Solomon was so quick to give up on Anne, we thought he cursed her all along! That would’ve been a crazy twist but great video 😄I also hope they either make DLCs or another game because there is so much potential for more! (Quidditch, pets, followers, more spells etc,)
Now i wish that was what happen 😮
That would've been messed up, but a good twist.
I really wished we had more choices to help and guide Sebastian. I liked him from the start and even later on when he gets reckless beyond measure I really could see his point. But as with any interaction, the Options are no real options and we were forced to just watch Sebastian walk to his doom.
I really would have liked to encourage him and such. Hope there will be many fanfictions? ^^
This. I love Sebastian.
I think people are defending his actions in their entirety because they didnt have the choice to help him off the dark path he was on, but I do think Sebastian didnt just stumble his way into murder twice and how many more times would he kill someone because the script says so before people start realizing that he *chose* to do it. He killed his uncle, but he could have used the other unforgivable curses to stop him. He had the options and he's clearly clever enough to not just act on the last spell he learned. He wanted to do it, he had the power to. I dont think that's defencible. And then when our only option is to lt him off entirely or to send him to fucking AZKABAN, of course most people arent going to want to send our loyal friend-a 15 year old boy to a torture prison.
I hope if they do a sequel they'll give us more opportunities to actually affect our friends decisions so we can actually have control and stop someone from doing something like that or push them further
@@Wandervenn I can definitely see your point but I would rather call it homocide than murder.
He didn't just stumble into it, I agree with that but I believe we have to take the circumstances into account.
First kill was a goblin about to kill his sister. The immedeate fear combined with his already great hatred made him go to the extreme and I definitely don't agree with his method but there was slaughter all around.
His uncle is actually a difficult case. He had a clear distaste for his nephew and had absolutely given up on his niece. That alone doesn't justify killing him, but the Uncle had sabotaged multiple attempts from Sebastian to help his sister and going by their interactions I wouldn't be surprise if there was at least verbal abuse involved.
With destroying the artifact his uncle was once again dooming Sebastian's sister to die, so in a rush of fear, anger and pure despair I can see why the killing curse was used.
Again, I don't agree with that but we weren't really much help with the limited non-choices. I feel with how the story was going there was potential to save Sebastian from walking this path, potential to Stop the killing way before it got to that point.
But I also see how that could be hard to programm with all the possible outcomes.
Therefore: hoping for fanfics ^^
@@Lunasera But it isnt clear on Sebastian's uncle. In what story does using dark magic not lead to a bad outcome? In Harry Potter especially, using magic to cheat death is always bad.
Horcruxes tear apart a soul, the stone used to bring people back to life was nothing but a terrible curse, unicorn blood is said to make someone live a cursed life. Even in game the magic used to take pain away is not actually fully beneficial.
The fact that the artifact was made by not just a dsrk wizard but the father of dark arts pretty much was never going to bode well and at no point did Anne consent to it. Her desire is stated to be that Sebastian move on like she and her uncle have.
As someone who grew up in verbal abuse, we cant assume that Sebastian was experiencing that. Arguing and fighting isnt verbal abuse and Sebastian was definitely not making it easy himself.
The uncle is not the cause of Anne dying and he isnt dooming her to die.
A rush of fear and anger is not justifiable. It's murder.
Sebastian's grief is valid and understandable, but the lengths he went to are not. He could have caused Anne to die just getting to him in the catacombs. The fact that the player character even comments that they nearly died getting to him shows he wasnt in his right mind and wasnt thinking about anything but the artifact--which is implied to be a corrupting force.
@@WandervennThat stone in the ring you mentioned, was only cursed because it was a horcrux, and offcourse Voldemort protects his horcruxes as we all know.
What I’m hoping for is a sequel or two so our witch/wizard can have their sixth and seventh years at Hogwarts, growing closer with their friends and possibly find romance with one of them.
Played as a Slytherin, my husband played as a Hufflepuff… first time meeting Sebastian I immediately became a fan and then started telling my husband Sebastian was my boyfriend lol I supported him throughout his whole story and always sided with him and still to this day believe he did nothing wrong. Though since I called him my boyfriend, when my husband played, he made sure to go against him and sent him to Azkaban 😂😂😂
Lol, now that is a fair reason to send him to Azkaban!
LOL! He should have told you that professor Garlick is his 😂
I told my fiancé he's my boyfriend and while in the beginning he was like, oooh you're a Padme in this relationship, at the end he was siding with him more than I was, we even argued over that like in this comment section xD
@@olablc531 your fiance and sebastian are both real ones 💯
@@joenoonan4857 thankfully Sebastian isn't, otherwise that'd be awkward.
Personally, I wouldn't say that he "didn't do anything wrong," but most of said things were understandable from the situation he was in. Poor Sebastian was clearly desperate, likely traumatized from the deaths of his parents, and no one was helping him except MC. His uncle, the only adult figure in his life who he should be able to lean on for support, does nothing but cruelly berate and criticize him, as though Solomon somehow blames Sebastian for Anne's curse. Yes, Sebastian went too far, but he does not deserve Azkaban. He's a fifteen year old boy for fuck's sake, and every time he cast an unforgivable, he did it with the intention to protect, not torture. That said, it's less his actions and obsession regarding dark magic that I have a problem with: where I think he really went wrong was his treatment of Ominis throughout the game. Ominis is supposed to be his best friend, and Sebastian makes a point to tell MC how guarded Ominis is, and how few people he has in his life, and yet Sebastian doesn't hesitate to betray Ominis' trust several times. I remember how annoyed I was in my first playthrough when Sebastian just told us all about Ominis' horrible childhood without his permission, something that really wasn't his to share. It got even worse in the Scriptorium mission, where Sebastian constantly disregarded and undermined Ominis' trauma, basically implying he was being unreasonable and cowardly. At that point I was actually kind of pissed off: like, Sebastian of all people should understand Ominis' refusal to use dark magic, yet he shows no sympathy, even has to gall to get angry at Ominis for not doing what he wanted literally as the poor boy is basically having a panic attack in the background, because oh yeah, we just stumbled across his aunt's literal fucking corpse! It ended up feeling like Sebastian was trying to use Ominis for most of the game, but the second he realized he wasn't going to help, he turned to us instead. So yeah, I would not say that Sebastian did nothing wrong, but that's actually what makes his character so interesting to me. He's flawed in a very realistic way, but also in a way that makes you sympathize and root for him. At the end of the day, I still wouldn't turn him in, unless I was deliberately roleplaying as an evil MC. I only wish we could have gotten some sort of closure for his quest.
I wouldn't have said it better. I find it a bit frustrating that while his side quest was the most interesting and complex out of the three - at least to me; whenever I got an owl from him I literally dropped everything I was doing at the time and flew to wherever the next location of his quest was - and yet his was the only one who didn't get a proper closure. It felt like the devs changed it very late in the production and rushed through the ending, but maybe I'm wrong. I really hope this is not the end of his story.
Thank you for mentioning that bit about Ominis! There were several moments where I went hang on - I thought this was supposed to be your best friend (or second after Anne) after four previous years of school together, and you're just disregarding everything he says wtf. Also just the difference between them was pretty glaring. Sebastian was getting obsessed with the dark arts enough that in a split second decision situation he uses imperio instead of a number of other spells he uses more often to get Anne out of harm's way. Whereas Ominis was willing to die rather than cast or teach Crucio on anybody because that's how traumatized he has been by the dark arts.
@@saturated3821 I thought the exact same thing during that scene! When I first saw it, I remember how stunned I was by the sheer brutality and viscousness Sebastian employed against that goblin. It was clear to me then that he wasn't only doing everything for Anne, much as he tried to convince us otherwise; no, Sebastian was angry and wanted revenge, which probably contributed to how quickly he spiraled. Like, he could have used any number of regular spells to save Anne in that moment, using Imperio and making the goblin slice his own throat was completely unnecessary and clearly fueled by Sebastian's thirst for vengeance.
Also...he blames Anne for pushing him away after literally murdering their sole relative. Sebastian has a problem taking responsibility - only towards the end after getting caught he says something like "I didn't mean to..."
Given how the Unforgivables work, we know he absolutely meant to kill Solomon - he was just trying to cover his ass
His treatment of Ominis is concerning and even hypocritical, but it is believable. The way people, especially young people, treat their peers is heavily influenced by the way they themselves are treated by their parental figures, because their parental figures provide an example of what's supposed to be acceptable behaviour.
Sebastian has his concerns and feelings dismissed and belittled over and over again within his familial household, so it's not surprising that dismissing and belittling other peoples' concerns is prominent within his emotional dictionary. This is how the cycle of abuse works: victims can become perpetrators, even without wanting to, because abuse is the only way they've been taught how to act, so, even though they don't like it when it's addressed to them, they think it's normal and so end up abusing others.
I would like to point out how awful of a man Solomon seemed to me right out of the gate. The way he had a melt down over Sebastian trying to cheer Anne up with the shrivelfig and started berating him screamed abuse to me. Plus Solomon’s insistence that Anne cannot be cured felt very self induced right away: it’s like he doesn’t want his niece to be healed from this course. And, keeping in mind that she was 15 or younger when she was cursed, Anne seems to have been heavily influenced and manipulated by Solomon, to the point where she sided with him. But Sebastian is having none of that and I really admire how he refuses to be gaslit by his uncle. I would never turn him in in any scenario, especially because his killing of his uncle can be justified from multiple points of view. Hes not a flawless character of course but he still absolutely carries the entire storyline of this game. Wish we could have had some closure about his relationship with Anne, Ominis, even our MC, etc.
They're making a sequel so his quest line will probably continue over into the next game
I’m convinced Solomon had a life insurance scam in place regarding Anne…
If Anne had shown up 5 minutes earlier, I like to think she would have taken our side, her uncle was lethally attacking her twin brother and his friend!
That's so true.
Because he was researching more and more dangerous dark magic and had a fucking army of Inferi at his beck and call and was summoning more? Are you high? Did you not pay attention to the storyline??
The uncle tried to stop sebastian multiple times. Talking didn't work.
OMINUS his best friend wasn't able to stop him. His sister asked him to stop and he wouldn't.
The Uncle had literally NO choice but to take Sebastian down. Both as an Ex Aurorer and As his Uncle/Guardian.
Literally The Uncle is Obi-Wan watching Anakin go to the dark side. The only choice left was to kill or capture him.
And from the Uncle's perspective The two "15" year Olds were playing with dark magic that could kill people.
He may not have been nice, but he was right to try and put them down
@@EvilM0nkeyRulesthe inferi were no longer in Sebastians control after the relic was destroyed
@mothermushroom5315 It was the fact that he was in control in the first place? The Uncle arrives and sees Sebastian with Inferi. And THEN destroys the relic.
Re watch the cutscene. Sebastian was literally going down the Darkside path with alarms ringing and went "Yeah no I'm fine why is everyone worried I'm not gonna do anything bad"
@@EvilM0nkeyRules I hear what your saying about Sebastian going down a dark path, but Solomon still was too stubborn and resentful towards him. Also just because someone may be doing something wrong doesn't give you the right the take lethal action against them, "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind." He's a grown man, who's been a wizard with a wand for way longer than Sebastian and the player, knows way more about magic, he was an Auror for christs sake. He could have just as easily used Obliviate or Petrificus Totalus, or Glacius, any disarming spell and/or spell to stop someone in their tracks. While i don't believe everything Sebastian did is right, I do not blame him for in the heat of the moment using the killing curse, bc a literal CHILD, being attacked to the point of being backed into a corner, is not thinking straight. And there is clear regret afterward when he realizes what he has done. Is it wrong? yes, but it is understandable.
Many inspiring perspectives you put out there, so glad to see such a comprehensive analysis of Sebastian.
Interestingly enough, I once discussed his case with a legal intern player and she gave a quite similar non-guilty defense. Contrary to many who think this is a case of self-defense, she said if he would be trailed in the modern court, "voluntary manslaughter in the defense of a 3rd party" should be a much more promising statement, since Solomon's unyielding will to kill the player had more concrete evidence throughout that boss fight. And the fact that in that final moment, he hasn't put down his wand or shown any other strong indication that he will stop, the violence can be considered as still in progress.
As for the part when he snaps after knowing about your Goblin friend. That flare of anger and disbelief is so raw and ill-refined, thus I don't read it as him being manipulative but more like being hurt. It reminded me of a cut companion dialogue when he screams "You and I are unstoppable!" after a battle. As endearing as it sounds, it gives me a feeling that he might have been a bit too emotionally demanding about this friendship, making him hard to accept that we might hold different views and different objectives.
He also has cut dialogue in which he makes comments on Mr. Oakes in a much more rational and even appraisal manner. And he doesn't seem to be fazed by Isadora working with Goblins at all.
My point is, he does not care how others think or judge Goblins, he cares because that person is you.
Thank you for clarifying the killing part... I honestly felt when I first played that he was going to stop, but you have a point that completes our youtuber friend's argueing. Because that was the only detail that kept me convinced about Sebastian being guilty. But now I don't find him guilty anymore.
He's absolutely hurt by our involvement with Lodgok. His reaction is entirely emotional and stems from him trusting us enough to divulge sensitive information about his sister's illness and welcoming us into his home to meet his sister. He clearly values our friendship and having seen first hand how Anne is affected by her curse and then the attack on Feldcroft by goblins who try to murder her, the very idea we'd not only work alongside a goblin, but defend that decision, is in his mind a betrayal of that trust.
Finally someone who sees in Sebastian's reaction to our relation with Lodgok something else than just him being racist and/or manipulative. I mean he does indeed make a wrong judgement, but we know he has his reasons for this hatred and now his "kindred spirit" acts as if it doesn't matter, he sees it that way at least. He feels totally disappointed and betrayed at this moment, and yet he later apologises. Many people after this fight chose to give up on him, calling him toxic, though for me it was just another proof that he truly valued our friendship. Besides, aren't we all sometimes somewhat toxic even to our friends when emotions take hold of us? Aren't we all prone to make misjudgements based on our personal experiences? I get the doubts about him after he killed his uncle, but here his reaction was just him showing flawed human nature.
@@magdalena4072 Indeed. Poor Sebastian had put a lot on his shoulder with no one standing beside him. This friendship is his last straw. That’s why he so desperately needed us to fully support him and completely understand him. I always felt Sebastian is the type that tends to overcome/bottle up all the pain and fear he suffers, brushing them off with indifference, disdain or a laugh. This type is usually much more vulnerable and emotionally susceptible from the inside and becomes insecure and irrational at moments of despair. This is not the mentality of a dangerous psychopath, but the mentality of a flawed human being crying for help.
A true friend should never walk away from him and never give up.
I've had that exact non-guilty viewpoint from the beginning, and I think his volatile reactions to things maybe more on the "I'm at my breaking point" side of hurt. He's clearly frustrated he hit another wall, but I know that if he had said that to me at 15, I'd have snap at him and tell him to take a nap and try me again later. It's a little hypocritical of him to call us 'ignorant' when the entire time he's been touting how open minded he is.
Sam Bram: Sebastian raises his wand in the air and yells two unforvgivable words...
The closed captions: Savannah Cadabra!
😂
I always go through and correct anything UA-cam gets wrong in the subtitles. But there I just couldn't bring myself to change it 😂
I wish the three VAs for Sebastian, Anne, and Solomon saw that.
I'd love to hear their thoughts on that joke.
sebastian is the only character i felt the player was actually friends with. ominis always seems like a friend of a friend bc out lack of one on ones. poppy seems like a school friend you wont talk to outside of class and natty seems like a random student i talked to once that wont stop acting like we’re lifelong friends.
My second favorite companion questline was Natty’s, and even then it wasn’t nearly as compelling as Sebastian’s. I really hoped that we’d look deeper into Ominis’s backstory, or even built a relationship with Anne.
I really hesitated to finish his questline before the main questline because I didn’t want to lose the only real friend we were given.
Sebastian will always be my bro in this game, but I really wish that Avalanche poured half as much effort into the other characters that they put into him. 😔
I feel the same way. Natty, to me, comes off as irritating. I really didn't like how on the first meeting, she got the player in trouble with Ronen(?). From that point, I couldn't stand her and found her annoying. I dread when I have to do her quests.
I have been hanging out with Natty. I like her more than Sebastian
@PinkMarshmallows What was disappointing was that Natty was all set up to be a great character but they never ran with it and made her too one dimensional. Personally I think her quest line should have been about why her and her mom had to leave Uganda with her still helping in the main quest at certain points like Sebastian. Plus they wasted characters like Amit and Gareth.
I can relate. My dad was that guy, Solomon. He was an alcoholic and violent. I didn't Avada Kadavra him, but our last encounter, 30 years ago, resulted in two ambulances. I know, first hand, the feeling of having no options.
1) Glad you made it out of there.
2) I don't even want to know what he did that means you needed to put him in _two_ ambulances (no doubt he deserved it).
@@henryviiifake8244 One for him and one for me.
Solomon was not an alcoholic and not even violent, what are you talking about?
@@gamer-px5cu, Solomon strikes me more as an abusive drunken father in real life than some one like Sebastian thus if we’re applying real world logic to a fictional wizard series Solomon should’ve been the person sent to Wizard Prison.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr He was trying to make Sebastian reasonate and prevent him from being corrupted by dark magic, cause that's how dark magic works from what i know.
No matter how rude, Solomon was right.
Sebastian is best boy.End of doscussion.
Edit: On the note of the Goblin attacking Anne. If I was in Sebastian's shoes, Imperio and Crucio would have been seen as merciful.
Edit: I am not joking, they would need to add at least 10 new items to the list of warcrimes or whatever equivalent to it Wizardkind has.
100% agree, Solomon was the adult and he should have calmed the situation, not go full berserk and trying to kill us. Seb is innocent and does not deserve to be turned in.
Do i have to mention that when his nephew and his nephew's friend, both 15 year olds were being attacked he decides to attack the 2 teenagers instead of neutralizing the immediate threats for everyone? And uses Avada K on his nephew's 15 year old friend? That to me was 100% self defense and Solomon deserved it
Yep I see this as self defense
Where did he try to kill us? He didnt start that fight. Sebastian did. Solomon knows the unforgivable curses and he's a former auror. If he wanted us dead he would have succeeded. Hell, in my playthrough Sebastian was downed by his own inferi within seconds and wasnt even able to help through the battle, so Solomon 100% had the advantage.
@@Wandervenn As you know, I had the same playthrough, bug or not, but it makes even less sense to me to say he didn't try to kill me or heavily injure me. He sees me as a threat, a dark witch, as the one who helped Sebastian go down the dark path. Sebastian is down. I beg to stop, in the beginning I didn't fight him at all, but he made me use half of my Wiggenweld so I understood I have to fight him if I want to live. I'm sorry, as much as I agree it's all Sebastian's fault, I don't agree Solomon wasn't trying to kill me. Why didn't he then, I hear you ask? Well, because I'm an OP witch with ancient super power magic, who went through almost an equivalent of an auror training these past few months while Solomon is a rusty old retired auror who wouldn't even go after those goblins threatening his village directly until it's too late.
@@olablc531 I had this convo in another comment thread where my thoughts were way more organized, but the only thing that can be assured to be 100% the game makers intent for canon storytelling is what happens in cut scenes and dialogue. Players have too much freedom otherwise for it to be counted as objectively the intent of the developers.
Solomon is going to be killed by Sebastian no matter what, it has to happen. So the game has to facilitate that happening. In the cut scenes he destroys the relic and talks about Sebastian going too far and is there to retrieve his dumbass nephew and the friend who, from his perspective, is just as in on it with sebastian, even if they arent. So when Sebastian starts attacking solomon out of nowhere, Solomon defends himself. If he wanted to kill the player he 100% would. He wouldnt talk to Sebastian, he would just murder us both. Besides the ancient magic, he knows every spell we do and then some. The guy could have cast fiendfyre and dissapparated out of the catacomb with the easy explanation that the two students must have died defending themselves from the inferi.
He doesnt try to kill you, he tries to stop you. I dont think he sees either the player or Sebastian as dark wizards and witches, just stupid teenagers ruining their lives by getting into something they think they can control. He doesnt handle it well at all, but he also doesnt try to kill you. He could have turned Sebastian in to Azkaban just for using Imperio, but he doesnt and according to dialogue he has been covering for Sebastian whenever he messes up. If he didnt care at all, he would have let Sebastian get expelled ages ago.
With it being a game and him being a boss fight, he has to be difficult to fight so he cant just cast the basic spell and shields. He has to be difficult or it's bad gameplay.
Yes, we shout to stop and that we dont want to fight, but as we see when the fight is over, Sebastian is meant to have been fighting with us the whole time (unfortunately there's that glitch), so even if we want to stop, Sebastian is not going to let that happen. He is going to keep fighting. Eventually Solomon DOES stop and he's begging his nephew to come to his senses, only to continue to be attacked and even disarmed before being killed.
It took Harry potter years to be able to stand on his own against dark wizards without needing backup or to run away, and he recieved much more special training than we did. Yes, we have ancient magic, but we also arent even one year into our time at school and most of what we learn is what everyone else has already learned with the option of the four curses from sebastian and our ancient magic. I think it would be giving us too much credit than anything to fall back on the assumption that we're just too good and Solomon is just too old when most of the super powerful wizards that we see in the books are his age, if not older and not all of them are aurors. He isnt washed up, we even hear that from NPCs in Feldcroft when they gush about how good a job the Sallows did defending them from Goblins.
Again, we're the main character in a video game that isnt a Dark Souls game so feeling powerful is part of the game, but I dont think we're meant to be on the level of an auror. The poachers certainly arent given the gravitas of the death eaters, they're more just common thugs.
And if the game didnt bug and sebastian werent immediately knocked down by inferi, then even if you only ever protego'd eventually Sebastian would wear Solomon down and the cut scene would play out like normal. The only reason he dies is because he stops fighting and Sebastian takes that opening. When we die, it isnt that Solomon succeeded in killing us, just that we lost the game. We HAVE to beat him to continue the story. There isnt a way to have a pacifist option that doesnt somehow fundamentally change Sebastian's story arc.
I loved Sebastian's story and I really hope we get more of him in the future. The end was definitely not satisfying for me. Nice video!
I personally feel like both Sebastian and isadora weren’t evil, I just think they were TRYING to do something good but they went about it the wrong way.
But Sebastion never thought to literally take someone's pain away. He just tried all of the possible cures that others know, but nothing works, so he switches to the dark arts hoping he will find a solution there. He never seemed eager for power, unlike Isadora. She willing had a containment built by the Goblins to store the pain, and even when faced with the truth that she's actually hurting people instead by taking all of their emotions as a whole. She wanted to help people in the beginning with her father, but became greedy in wanting to help everyone, even though she's not fully aware of what she was doing. She was using ancient magic, Sebastion was using dark magic. DM being more known, so easier to control.
@@bluewolf2708He did. He asks you to talk to the Keepers, in hopes that they'll teach you, during the main quest.
@@bluewolf2708 I'd proclaim a lot easier to understand, than to control. The dark arts are more widely known than ancient magic is. During the time of the keepers, ancient magic was lesser known than. The true affects of what Isadora was doing couldn't have been known.
They are both...less outright evil and more corrupted by their good intentions going too far.
Due to lack of guidance and being pushed away by the people who were supposed to be there to help them grow
I think what sealed the deal for me is the shrivelfig, Sebastian shows it to his sister and Anne is excited to at least try it. Solomon instead grabs the shrivelfig, says it's absolutely pointless to even try, and then destroys it...
Why? Why do such a cruel thing?
Solomon was not a caring uncle, he was a burdened angry hypocrite content to let Anne suffer a horrible death because he gave up.
Yes, he could just tried and if it didn't work, being here for the two without being that grumpy.
Sebastian isn't idiot, he would understand if Solomon tried to Nice method
My instant thought after Sebastian started to use dark magic was that it seemed like he was addicted to drugs. Everything about his story felt like watching a friend struggle with addiction and almost pull you down with them.
Umm… no, Sebastian’s only priority was to save his sister and dark arts were the tools which he went too far with.
I’m over here trying to kill the inferi thinking “hey let me not try and hurt his uncle in the process” while he’s trying to bust a cap in my behind Sebastian’s as well! 🤣
Well he is an uncle...
Maybe he's just angry because he's horny.
I didn’t want to fight Salomon at first. I tried to avoid it… realized that reasoning wasn’t an option with that man. I don’t think Sebastian is evil, if Salomon would have done his job has a guardian, Sebastian wouldn’t have gone that path.
Yup, choices don’t matter. If they did, I would never have let things get to that point. “Hey man, maybe don’t raise the fucking dead, yeah?” “Hey man, maybe don’t use an unforgivable to stop someone from killing when you could just disarm them or levitate them , or do literally anything else.”
I get it, he just wants to help his sister, but he makes the worst decisions possible in the heat of the moment every. single. time. He also acts like a right prick in the main story missions and while he apologizes he doesn’t seem at all sincere which is confirmed by him stabbing you in the back and going ahead with his dumbass plan with the artifact instead of waiting on you to figure out if ancient magic can help. (I think it probably could)
Also: we literally meet a curse-breaker in Natty’s quest line, I would see if maybe he could try to break the curse. But naw, choices don’t matter and your character is reduced to an idiot any time control is taken away from the player.
You LITERALLY defeat Solomon then he somehow gain the upper hand in a cutscene and your character does fuck-all. Same thing with Lodgock, you do nothing in that cutscene despite knowing several spells that could be used to prevent that scene from happening.
They were too lazy to make a couple more branching narratives so things happen because the plot says they do, not because your choices led you there.
What do you mean reason with him? You literally don't talk to him.
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit yes, that is literally the point. You choices don't matter because they aren't choices and there are no meaningful interactions. Fun exploration and fighting but the story is set in stone and you have no say on how it progresses other than not doing side content.
I agree Salmon is a bad guardian
@@anapplepinetarticathe23rd90 Doesn't make Sebastain murdering him okay.
I honestly didn't use the unforgivables as my Ravenclaw. He learned them because he was curious, but he was against using them.
I also didn't have my Ravenclaw turn Sebastian in either.
Mine did learn the first two but never used them , i did turn him in, i tried to get some sense on him without being an asshole, at the end he killed someone out of spite so for me he went to far.
As a Ravenclaw I as well turned Sebastian in. He seemed to go down a unhinged and deranged path. He does realise what he has done is wrong. When he’s off the hook again he is going to find a more far fetched dark magic artifact or spell to try out. I completed the main quest before Sebastian’s quest, so I had seen what happened with Isadora’s father just an emotionless shell arter removing the pain and I thought that wouldn’t be much different to Anne’s faith if Sebastian found a «cure» I had a little hope when I encountered rookwood hearing him repeat those words in the curse that maybe I would get a chanse to get information, but ended up having to end him. I did cheer him og right in the beginning, but got more critical and sided with the dialog most alligned with ominis after dark curses appeared and it startes feeling off the rails with him.
@@l.f.pliteframskrittsparti8660 I feel the same tbh. Sebastian was always the rash one who wanted his way or the highway. Life hasn't been kind to him, but he really should've listened to Ominis more. Ominis knows what he's talking about and he's trying to keep everyone safe. And in the end Sebastian didn't kill his uncle out of self-defence...at that point you and him have already beaten up Solomon and could just neutralise him...he killed Solomon because he was angry. That's a very real-world thing, people can and do in fact kill others out of anger, but that is still murder (albeit in the second degree, because of no premeditation) and saying sorry is not enough. You just can't go around killing people out of impulse and expect there not to be consequences. The only thing that stops me from turning in Sebastian is knowing that the wizarding world has a pretty harsh and non-rehabilitative justice system, so if you turn him in and he stands trial then he's probably going to Azkaban for murder. And I honestly don't think sending a troubled teenaged murderer to Azkaban would do wonders for turning him into a productive adult once his sentence is up. If I were in the shoes of my character (I'm very Hufflepuff) I would not turn Sebastian in because I care about him and don't want him in Azkaban, but my character would definitely cut off the friendship, the same way Sebastian loses his friendship with Anne and Ominis. His friends have stuck with him through a lot of shit, but Sebastian has to learn a lesson that he can't expect to push the boundaries up to and including committing murder and still expect his friends to be there for him. Most people don't want to be friends with a murderer.
My Ravenclaw was similar, learned crucio just to know it but didn't use it, then learned imperio thinking it's necessary but didn't use it either. Didn't learn AK on the first attempt because honestly, that was just not the good moment for it xD But learned it later, after being kidnapped by Rookwood and knowing that she still has Harlow to beat, she decided she must go prepared. I loved that scene btw, Sebastian tells me how he wants to make up for everything he's done and I ask him to teach me AK and he's like" really?? after all this?? well, ok." In my head I explained him what I had to go through already and what is ahead of me so that it made sense I'd rather know it than not.
Am I the only Ravenclaw who doesn't mind going on Unforgivable spells rampage on my enemies ? 😂
I related to Anne a lot as someone with multiple chronic illnesses that have left me disabled for a majority of the time. Seeing how Solomon treated her actually made me take a step back from the game to cool off because I was so livid. Like another commenter said, he was waiting for Anne to die from her curse. Not only that, but he continually blames Sebastian for Anne's flare ups when they are completely random, and since its been happening for some time, Solomon knows this and still says what he does to Sebastian. It's cruel.
I don't blame Sebastian. If any of my family was suffering in that way I'd fight like hell and do absolutely everything to stop them from being in pain constantly. My family *did* fight like hell to get me answers for what was happening to me-- and without them I wouldn't have survived mentally. Being in physical pain is hard enough-- but having nobody in your corner is what breaks you.
glad you're doing better and well accompanied
A lot of people still think the Sebastian storyline was way more engaging and better than the main mission. I think the developers did it to make the main character "special"without overshadowing Harry, but I would've been totally fine without ancient magic.
The part that irritated me the most is when you choose nothing to do with dark magic and the uncle still calls you guilty.
Are you not friends with someone who casts dark magic?
I decided his fate was sealed when he attacked Seb and I later in the game tbh 😅
I did just to spite him. I was only using them on enemies. But he made himself an enemy by attacking Sebastian and me. He crossed a line by attacking _children._
Same. Up until that point in my first playthrough I did not want to use unforgiveable curses. But blimey did Sebastian's uncle make me want to.
The fourth keeper used avada kedava on isidora with no consequence 🤷♀️
He did get a look of disapproval from the other keeper dude
That's because it was in the past. Avada Kedava wasn't an 'unforgivable curse' at the time.
Because we are supposed to believe that Isidora was evil, what she was doing was evil, and if we choose to say we are fascinated by her at one point the keepers all flip out at you. Your supposed to be against Isidora. I personally wasnt...but that's what they wanted you to see.
@@SashGirl34so what? It’s the same act, killing is killing, the way it is done shouldn’t be more relevant than the context that led to the act.
After completing this storyline, I had some what ifs. Would Solomon have allowed the player character to heal Anne after gaining the full ancient magic knowledge? Would Solomon try to kill the player character if they did heal Anne using ancient magic or if he found out they had knowledge of ancient magic, thinking it was "dark magic". Could the player character have found out what curse was used against Anne during their confrontation with Rookwood, allowing her to be healed. Regardless of the path taken to the story's end. I think Solomon would have to been killed in the end. If the theory is true that he used "dark magic" as an aura, he may see the cursing of Anne and her subsequently death, as his payment for his miss deeds and needed to happen. I wonder if he prevented the "medical wizards and witches" from trying experimental treatments.
I think it's a stretch to imply Solomon's actively trying to have Anne die a slow, painful death as repentance for his own dark past. He had spoken to the leading medical practitioners in the wizarding world and been told there's nothing they could do. He's probably deep in despair about her condition, and is trying to get Sebastian to accept her condition so that in his mind when she finally does die it will only hurt Sebastian a lot, not send him into a guilt spiral and catatonic depression. If you pick the right dialogue option I believe he outright says something similar. Aside from this, Sebastian is literally the game's Faust character and we saw what his bargain led to, many ways to injure, subjugate, and murder, but no cures or solutions of any kind. I suspect if Solomon hadn't shown up there, destroyed the artifact and died at Sebastian's hand, we would probably see Sebastian travel yet further down the dark path, doing more and more villainous deeds for potential knowledge to cure his sister.
@@TripleBarrel06 I fully agree. Solomon is kind of a jerk, but I think people are painting him as much, much more actively bad than he is and then using that to defend Sebastian's path. Rather than seeing them both as two people in the grieving process at different steps. Solomon hit acceptance while Sebastian is still in denial. Every step where sebastian raises everyone's hopes not only hurts everyone when it fails and resets their grieving process, but also furthers Sebastian's desperation and willingness to do what he shouldnt.
I think Sebastian is a good person, and he's my favorite npc, but he went down a definitely evil path and destroyed his remaining family for it.
@@Wandervennyeah, but it’s not the wise acceptance like Dumbledore in HBP/DH. The man is bitter, condescending, and closed-minded, so acceptance becomes dismissal.
@@greg5892 Dumbledore's acceptance.... of his own death? Of his sister? Dumbledore is far, far older. All of his grievances have had time to heal and he's had more than enough time to develop that kind of peace with distance and time. Anne is still alive. Solomon is still in the thick of it. He still makes Anne medicine and has to try and handle Sebastian.
Have you ever lived with someone who you knew was gonna die? My dad was in a hospital bed in our dining room when I was 14 and even when I had accepted he was going to die and there was nothing to do, every little bump in the road threatened to restart the process. You become sensitive towards people who upset whatever peace you've been able to carve out for yourself. One whole side of my family members made my dad cry and I ended up hating them for years and years after my dad died because they caused him to suffer more and made it so much harder for me to settle in this new reality I had been coming to terms with.
So of course I'm not blaming Solomon for not being Dumbledore. Dumbledore found acceptance in prepping Harry for death, so I'm not sure why anyone woukd think it's fair to hold him up as a comparison. Do you think Molly Weasley would be more like Dumbledore or Solomon if Ginny was cursed like Anne? Of course not. She would screech and throw things at anyone who disturbed her daughter. But should we judge her during her worst moments? Or should we be empathetic? Why is it that this comment section will defend Sebastian and his literal murder but Solomon snaps and chastizes Sebastian and people are out here theorizing that he's hoping Anne dies and is wholly abusive?
@@Wandervenn I did as an example because that’s the most prominent example of “acceptance of death” from the series. And yeah, I get that’s part of the narrative, but that doesn’t mean Solomon’s reactions are befitting of a guardian figure. I’m pretty sure you and your dad didn’t try to burn the other members of your family alive.
"Is it better to stand by and do nothing, when there's even a slither of a chance to save her?"
Albert Camus has a relatable quote about this which goes as follow:
"I have always held that, if he who bases his hopes on human nature is a fool, he who gives up in the face of circumstances is a coward."
I have a running joke with my sisters that Anne's curse is just puberty. She lives in a house with two men, her mother died when she was little, and she's holding the area where most of the pain of very bad cramps is felt. It hits in random bouts, especially when she's standing up and moving around. This whole playthrough I've been thinking of it that way and it's just funny, I can't stop laughing in every scene they show her.
hahaha not to mention the anemia look on her from all the potential period blood loss😅
32:28-32:39 To be fair if I were in Sebastian’s shoes I probably would’ve done the same thing here. And yeah Sebastian did strike first PHYSICALLY but Solomon pretty much drove Sebastian to actually strike him. Like you could tell Solomon was shocked for a brief moment that his nephew struck him (it would’ve been a punch to the face in the muggle world) but he STILL insisted on his views. It doesn’t matter that he never outright tried to kill them he already did too much damage in that setting
The actions of Solomon Sallow suggest that he has unresolved issues from his past and is taking out his bitterness on his nephew Sebastian. Additionally, it is apparent that Solomon possesses manipulative tendencies, a closed-minded approach to finding a cure for Anne's illness, and even psychopathic behaviour. These traits are reminiscent of narcissistic individuals who often manipulate their victims to meet their own needs.
So... I played through the game only once. And that was as a Hufflepuff.
I became best friends with Sebastian right from the get go, because Natty annoyed the heck out of me. In my personal experience, I even became better friends with Ominis, then I ever did with Natty.
(I may have become better friends with her after her story, but during it, I was just annoyed)
For Sebastian, I first was absolutely enticed by his rebellion and fully on board, but after meeting Ominis, slowly started taking Ominis' side and tried to tell Sebastian to stop. But after knowing he wouldn't, decided the least I could do was keep him alive and at least somewhat out of trouble.
I ghasped when he used the curse on the goblin and felt, much like his uncle, that there was a better way to go about it. But I also hated how his uncle cast him out for it and thought it was at least somewhat justified, personally wanting to help guide him instead of punishing.
But once he killed his uncle, I was distraught. It took me an hour before I decided not to send him to Azkaban after having visited there myself and seen its damage. Not because I tolerated his decision, but because I knew him loosing Ominis and I would push him over an edge I didn't want my best friend to fall over.
(Stupid Hufflepuff Loyalty. I know xD
"I can fix him!"-I say after watching him kill his uncle)
As a sidenote, my favorite line in the whole game was this one.
Me: "That was good, for a Slytherin"
Sebastian: "Ah... There's that Hufflepuff loyalty we all know"
Me too. I picked Hufflepuff because everyone says that's my house if I were in Hogwarts. Namely for my loyalty. I loved Sebastian and I referred to as my 'boyfriend' and which we can date a character. I mean the fact there's no romance is what bugged me. I mean make it optional. Natty didn't annoying me too much. She is a sweet...and a good friend. The fact she takes a curse aimed for you....much like Sebastian with the Restricted section taking the fall. So the player won't be punished. (I loved him even more after that.) I want to play a Slytherin just so I can be a trio with Sebastian and Ominis.
I don't get how anyone could side with Soloman or say Sebastian is evil. Sebastian is out here trying to save his sister's life, and only does what he does for a good cause. Like Sam mentioned in the video; that goblin had far worse intentions than what Sabastian did.
Context matters; Killing people may be wrong, but killing a murderer to save a life is not.
If you've ever heard and agreed with the phrase "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" then Soloman is definitely evil because he not only does nothing to save Anne, but actively thwarts Sebastian's attempts to do so.
The perfect villain is the person who believes they can do no wrong, and also the person who refuses do any wrong. Soloman is that perfect villain; content with the suffering of a loved one if it means he can feel comfortable on his moral high ground, instead of making sacrifices and breaking the rules to do the right thing.
Sebastian is a hero.
Amen! Preach!👍
Totally agree. There are some delusional people here with idiotic opinions and that have experienced personal stuff that they think give them the right to bully Sebastian. Sebastian went through more than them and they have no saying. These people should find people that actually love them instead of protecting guilty men and blaming Sebastian. And their past is not an excuse; their behavior also comes from their genetics. Disgusting genetics. People with these opinions ruin this world. They are disgusting. People who protect Sebastian no matter their past experiences are simply very wrong and have a stone made out of heart
Killing someone after they trying to burn a 15 year old teenager alive, one who repeatedly begs him to stop attacking them does not constitute murder. Wish people would be smart enough to use, read and comprehend a dictionary.
Killing is NOT automatically murder. Is it still extremely serious and a moral grey area? sure. However, nothing gives you the right to attempt to burn someone to death then cry foul when someone stops you.
Would we really be okay living in a world where defending yourself carries a harsher punishment than attempted murder? Do we really think that, if we had failed to defend ourselves and been burned alive by fiend fire that Solomon would have gotten away with it, or even that he should feel morally justified?
This storyline is meant to be a morally grey area, I think, but it is interesting to see people comment on it and show their own moral bankruptcy.
Here's an interesting bit from the encyclopedia Britannica:
"The rules relating to the use of deadly force to save a third person from death or serious injury bear an obvious relation to the doctrines of self-defense. In cases in which the party defended is a member of the killer’s household to whom he owes special obligations of protection, homicide is generally excused if the killer reasonably believed the deceased to be an aggressor and the killing to be necessary to save the third person’s life. In some states of the United States and in some European countries, a person can use such force only if the third party would have been privileged to use such force in his own defense."
This really shouldn't even be up for debate.
This is a very narrow view of the world, and the egocentrism behind several of your statements dismissing others is appalling. Relax.
You need only look as far as Canada to see that there are people who disagree with you enough to make one of your scenarios a matter of law: Someone can break into your home attack your family, and if you shoot them and kill them, you can and will be charged (and convicted) of Murder if you did not fulfil an exacting set of steps and requirements before and during the shooting. Even setting aside the specific example, we do live in a world where the punishment often outweighs the crime, so the appeal to moral outrage on the basis of real world logic vs in-game logic isn't really going to stand up. There are many examples or two parties wronging one another and both being found culpable for their respective part.
Turning to the specifics of the in game scenario, an ex-auror was attacking two people, one of which he knew was using Dark Magic (Read, Illegal, and a present danger to everyone). It is unlikely the wizarding enforcement would have blinked much at a dead kid under the circumstances given that they were the guilty party. Harry Potter world is not known for following conventional sensibilities when it comes to social issues--this is actually one of the stronger arguments for NOT turning Sebastion in... you could never construe that action as "helping" him no matter how you justify it, as the game never presents any options OTHER than Freedom or Azkaban. These are frankly, both terrible options for Sebastion, Azkaban is arguably a terrible option for almost anyone.
In the real world, the guilt of both parties would be fairly evident, especially as, even if you could successfully argue self defense for Sebastion (and someone prove that Solomon was not also justified in attacking a "Dark Wizard" to start with), Sebastion would still be guilty of several other crimes relating to dark magic. The player, as someone present for each of his escalating-ly bad decisions, against the council of at least one friend (two, if you agree with Ominous) are actually being asked to decide if you believe that you can control Sebastian going forward, or if you can trust his judgement in the future. The game made it clear that you cannot trust Sebastian's judgement and he never stopped at his friends' requests. That was the takeaway from the entire quest. This is why freedom is also a bad option. The guy turned to playing around with Inferi to somehow fix his sister's curse? It makes zero sense and Sebastian either could not see it, or did not care.
So yes, it is up for debate. Please try to argue rationally without devolving into accusing others of being too stupid to comprehend the scenario, or of being morally bankrupt.
@@Lanthirrhos "So yes, it is up for debate. Please try to argue rationally without devolving into accusing others of being too stupid to comprehend the scenario..."
You mean the way you just did?
It may not be murder, that's easy to defend against. The tagline of this video is that Sebastian did NOTHING wrong, though. And just because someone is a victim doesn't mean they can do no wrong. For me, it was obviously concerning how much Sebastian's thoughts revolved around the dark arts, because he could have saved both Anne in Feldcroft and the MC with something else but he defaulted to the unforgivable curses. We don't have real world parallels to those, but considering they are considered unforgivable, it's a pretty big tick in a courtroom argument against him.
@@Lanthirrhos I'll also add that this is not an out of the blue decision by his uncle. He has repeatedly seen Sebastian delving deeper and deeper into the dark arts. Something which is shown in this universe to be (1) illegal and (2) harmful to those using it. The Japanese actually give their students robes that turn white if you use them and punish you instantly if they do so this isn't just an English concern, dark magic is not just a name. Anyway returning to my point Solomon an ex auror (officer of the law) has also already partially turned a blind eye to Sebastians crimes when he didn't turn him in for using Imperio (an illegal dark curse that carries a sentence in Azkaban) to murder (and yes it was murder that goblin was stopped) the goblin threatening his sister as a FIRST instinct according to Sebastian himself. Then he found Sebastian was now using other dark magics to "control" a horde of inferi (murdered and mutilated people raised as undead) within a stones throw of his and Anne's home. I understand his response because its the same one I'd have done the same in that situation even with only his information and now our characters (that Sebastian is using a dark artifact a power obssessed student in an era when the dark arts and killing curses were taught openly at Hogwarts decided had too high a cost to use).
Then you add in the other information our character has of Sebastian growing more unstable and obsessed. His ignoring the arguments of Ominis, Anne, Solmon and potentially your character to stop. His putting other people in danger, he couldn't control those inferi regardless of what he believed or at least not all of them. His repeatedly showing he will lie to and maniupulate even his friends in pursuit of his goals. "I didn't want to lie to Ominis, I had no choice he wouldn't understand.". His growing willingness to use illegal dark arts over other options. The fact he's murdered two people (the goblin and his uncle) after they were defeated. I can go on.
No to me at the end of the day its a simple question. Can you trust Sebastian if you cover up his crime and I can't. I've seen he will lie to his friends and manipulate them. I've seen his growing obsession and willingness to justify what he feels he "must" do. I've seen him instinctively deny doing anything wrong because others are mistaken. I don't feel either option is particuarlly good but I can easily see him lying to us at the end, I can see him just extending his blame from solely goblins to goblins and "dark wizard", I can see him continuing his obsessed purusuit of a cure for Anne especially if he feels he now has to make his previous actions not be all for nothing.
I'll also add we don't know he's going to Azkaban just that he's awaiting trial what the Wizengamot will decide is not revealed.
@@liamwarner5749 Myeeah, good speach but its lackin theemotion comprehension. He was 15 years old and that age your brain is in the gutter for most of the things. Leaving that aside, he saw his parents death, yet you expect him to just stay and watch his sibling dying and think straigh and at only 15 years old? A good amount of us would kill and give their life ,just to protect our loved ones ( we already have these but they are called " army")Sebastian tried and tried to save Anne without using dark arts, as its already implied in a game. However, we know what happened with his last attempt of tryin to save Anne by simply not dwell on these dark arts. You never even asked yourself what was the reason behind Solomon's suspect behaviour towards every attempt Sebastian has made and if theres a reason of why hes refferin to Sebastian as his " youre just like my brother" like an insult? Seeing only Sebastian's flaws and not being being in the middle, it seems very bias and an excuse for you to tell urself " yes i have a good reason to hate on him" . Sebastian reggreted what he had done, so yes, personally i think he learned a lesson from that, especially if he wanna have his sister's trust back. I would also question the book too, since,the moment he had read it, he became trully unstable. And my theory is that he was goin to sacrifice himself, since the book required a human sacrifice for Anne to rebecome healthy....
We ( they) still dont know what Rookwood used on Anne and if the curse was lifted once he died. Im still very curious about that book. Im really hoping for a DLC where theres a happy ending and a cure for these brothers.
You know what aggravates me is there's a grave for this evil man but no grave for professor Fig, I'm lost without my professor and my little friend Lodgok..
This 😭😭 I miss them. And even though I didn’t send Sebastian to Azkaban, as he was my best friend. I don’t get to see him anymore… I was hoping he would at least be where you could go chat with him. Even if it was the same repeated dialogue or something.
@Mistressofdarkarts What I didn't understand at first was how Anne suddenly had a headstone for Solomon...unless he already had it made for her 😳
I do feel bad for my boy Sebastian! If my sister was hurt by anyone I would do just about anything to help her.
All of this goes to show that the devs really wasted their time with boring ass Ragnarok and the painting guys whose names I couldn't care less about. It's ironic that they managed to create one of the single most boring plotlines in the franchise, but also the most compelling/unique with Sebastian, Anne and Ominis. All of that goblin/top-hat dude shit should've been reduced to background noise, and could've gradually gotten more intense in sequels or DLC - all in all, the core of the HP franchise has _always_ been the students. Its no surprise that characters like Poppy and even Imelda are more intriguing than these bland ancient stooges.
Uncle Solomon might be one of the most complex antagonists in the HP franchise, dare I say more than Voldemort himself. They absolutely shot themselves in the foot by not connecting the Ancient Magic plotline with saving Anne. Honestly if the next update isn't the "Sallow Expansion" then I don't want it...
Me being the benevolent little Hufflepuff that I am, chose to not turn Sebastian in. Not only do I think that he was justified in what he did to Soloman, but I also think that it would've been pretty horrible of me to have sent him to Azkaban. He helped me when I needed him, he saved me when I needed to be saved, and he was just a good friend overall. He had good intentions and was only trying to help the people he cared for.😁
Not to mention as a Hufflepuff you've been to Azkaban and you've seen what it does to people.
@@masterjoda999 Yeah that's definitely true also
@@masterjoda999 was bout to say that, I was a hufflepuff too
Honestly, am i the only one who not only is 100% with sebastian but also can't understand whe controversy around him? I mean they did make it a morally grey story to create these debates and it worked, however what i don't understand is the amount of people 100% against sebastian with no compassion towards this troubled kid who had nobody but the MC. If i ever befriended him IRL i'd be trying to be the older brother/father figure (wich in this case, he could see me as a mix of both, since i'm in my mid 20s) that he never had, and try to keep him from walking down a bad path wich his uncle clearly didn't care about. Specially due to how much of a good selfless friend he turns ou to be. in the end of the last mission i would have given him a hug and let him cry on my arms.
@@vitormenezesdemattos967 I wasn't aware there was a controversy around him
I really love the idea of my character to be in a trio with Seb and Omi...liek it has a great potential for a narrative that you fill-in the long gone gap of the OG trio with Anne
Sebastian's fault lies in two points. He was becoming more and more reckless as he progressed in his quest, culminating in him killing his uncle. The other point that could define him as a killer is the intent, the frustration, the built-up anger he harbored towards Solomon. However, we must still take into account that a young man of 15 years, left unchecked and without any guidance from his so-called guardian, is capable of many, terrible yet impressive feats. He does not deserve Azkaban.
Solomon, on the other hand, let his emotions and his own idea of justice blind him completely to the point where he separated two halves of a whole, Anne and Sebastian, pitted them against each other, brainwashed and gaslighted Anne to remove every ounce of hope she possibly could have had and all of that just to prevent his own flesh and blood, his nephew, to dabble in dark magic; all of it because HE was the one who had bad experiences from using it.
Sebastian is a skilled wizard, who managed to find ways to heal and break the curse imposed on his sister at only a young age, a feat not even St. Mungos was capable of. If he had received support and guidance... Well, suffice to say that Anne would probably be back at Hogwarts by the end of the questline.
He is innocent, You Honour.
Did he do nothing wrong? No, he killed Solomon in a situation we had already won, so there is that, but that was a mistake in an emotional place. Normally he should be held responsible, but the whole System is wrong, sending him to Askaban accomplishes nothing and he isn't evil, at most misguided. I would argue that indeed Solomons dogmatism lead to the outcome we got and with sending him to Askaban we would complete the origin of a villain (i mean, it is a good origin story for one... :D), but by not doing that AND please helping him overcome what happened afterwards we do bring him on the right path.
There is often that one point, one decision, that decides the fate of a person, I mean, just look at Harry Potter himself, could have turned out quite the villain too.
I really hope that, no matter, if we send him or not to Azkaban, devs wont make him a villain since hes the talk of the game and many ppl want a happy ending for him and Anne ( it would a too cliche move too with him becomin a villain if hes sent to Azkaban)
He used all three unforgivable curses. He deserves to be in Azkaban.
@@ryder_hd Who gives a shit about some made up rules about what magic you can use and what not... you can fuck up a person really badly with the allowed ones, worse even then with the unvorgivable curses I would argue...
@@FOertel First of all, it’s than*. Second this whole fucking scenario is literally made up, forgive me for not knowing which part of this fantasy world you weren’t going to give a shit about. You absolute weapon
Do you even remember OG Harry Potter? NOBODY escapes Azkaban.
Did anyone else feel like Solomon was mad at Sebastian for saving Anne from that goblin?
I wish we would have had a backstory as to why Uncle Solomon has such a hatred for his brother. I feel like he was taking his hate on his brother out on Sebastian.
I had that feeling too. He's probably the brother who has an inforiority complex and Sebastian looks like his brother.
It’s nice to see another with the view that being a Slytherin doesn’t make you automatically evil and neither does the use of dark magic
Sebastian is what a true Slytherin could be.
What was reckless about how the Sallow parents died? There were no detectors of the kind in that period that we know off seems unfortunate rather than reckless.
Magic could have been used for the detection. Even if the tech wasn't there.
@@2222nova3 possibly but we can’t know that for sure having an unclear account of the whole event.
Didn’t sway my opinion at all here lol. Just cause he wants to be our friend doesn’t make him a good person! Plenty of people with friends do bad things. Also, Doesn’t mean Solomon isn’t also a bad person (he is). Seb got carried away many times and seemingly happily consumed by dark magic. He was willing to turn attitude on us multiple times when we disagreed (same for ominis) and only came back when we became agreeable again. I think the entire thing was him looking for a partner in crime to get him a cure for his sisters (which we were…).
Then he used unforgivables multiple times when it wasn’t necessary.
I’m team “sebs a young kid who cares about his family and got swept up in anger and made many poor decisions that led to him being deep in darkness”
ALSO, Solomon using dark magic is even more proof that the ability to be overwhelmed by dark magic runs in the family!
sure, it was totally unnecessary casting imperio on a goblin that was about to kill his sister! oh, and casting crucio while having no option in the scriptorium when noctura's skeleton was lying there just because she had no one to cast the curse on? being lead to an absolute ultimatum BY his uncle who constantly was putting him down and basically blamed sebastian for anne's curse for no reason and being nothing but agressive, manipulative and toxic towards him, banning him from seeing his own twin? damn, why did he used the killing curse?
@@angelnumber444life The Cruciatus door was the only point in the game where an Unforgivable was truly necessary and that quite literally nothing else (including other Unforgivables) would have worked. Hence OP saying "when it wasn't necessary". The Cruciatus door doesn't count against either Sebastian OR the original commenter.
However, in the Imperio and Avada Kedavra cutscenes he could've just used Depulso, or Stupefy, or Levioso, or some other spell. In both instances him using Unforgivables was an intentional choice by the game narrative; it wanted to tell us that instead of all the regular spells he learned at school that can adequately stop someone, his first choice is an Unforgivable.
I'm not blaming him for being desperate or bitter considering the circumstances that led him there, but I am concerned about Unforgivables being his go-to.
Sam, I completely agree with you. Sebastian did make a few mistakes, but he truly regretted them in the end. He unfairly suffered mental, verbal, and emotional abuse from his uncle, who was clearly out of line. I have absolutely no patience for men like Solomon because he was the reason Sebastian was going down a dark path. People make mistakes; the important thing is that you learn from them. Plus, Sebastian wasn't wrong to give up hope for Anne since things only seem hopeless when you give up. Even in the darkest times, the light of hope always shines forth and performs miracles. Unlike some, I understand the reason behind Sebastian's actions, and I also know what it's like to practically lose a sibling. Also, during the goblin attack on Feldcroft, I didn't see Solomon do anything to save Anne. Sebastian may not think he's anything special, but I can tell he is. I highly doubt anyone else in his year has read as many books or learned as many advanced spells on his own as he has, and I doubt no one else would willingly help a new student catch up with their peers without a second thought or even pour all their time and research into helping their siblings. Because of Solomon, Anne doesn't know how lucky she is to have a brother like Sebastian, who frequently shows how much he loves her. I didn't have the heart to send Sebastian to Azkaban. He's only sixteen. Not all boys his age are mentally mature, responsible, or cautious; believe me, I grew up in a family filled with boys. Sebastian also had no support from the people around him and felt betrayed and alone; if he had more support, he wouldn't have ended up in this mess, to begin with. Solomon had what was coming to him, and he had no one to blame but himself. Guardians like Solomon are the reason why the CPS and Social Services exist, and if they existed in the 19th century, I would have reported Solomon for his treatment of Sebastian.
As a prude Ravenclaw I carefully considered this chose but couldn't turn him in because it's pretty horrible to sent a 15 old years teen to Azkaban. Strong as my MC is the best is to keep a eyes on him ourself since we have two more years hogwarts !
I wasn’t a prude Ravenclaw in the game, I was still cautious and used manipulation when I needed to and I couldn’t turn him in either. He was my friend and I considered two options: He and my character weren’t really different, but my motivations were on a larger scale and I was geared up as “the chosen one.” Seb was not. And then the obvious, Solomon attacked us in the catacombs. What was going to happen had he beaten us you know?