Uh, Rowling Why Does Slytherin Still Exist?
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* locks eyes with you at a hot topic *
You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?
Ma'am, this is Hot Topic.
*cries into my doctor who themed novelty t-shirt*
Well, that's a nice coincidence. I was just checking in on you like an hour or two ago and trying to find out if you ever released the original cut of your last video (which I don't think you have or will at this point).
Maybe, but with you around it feels like my luck has finally come in clutch *winks slyly*
I'm just here with my younger sister, I have no interest in anything in here please help
Ah yes, the 4 harry potter houses
protagonist, antagonist, exposition, and yellow
LMAO
for once someone made huffelpuff the punchline of the joke instead of slytherin😂
Can't find any counter argument against this
@@MalasawasAnd you'd think a yellow would, they're particularly good finders
@@StarPichu12 what the hell is a Hufflepuff?
Jk Rowling be like the founders of the Hogwarts houses are "Merida from brave", "Albert Einstein", "some guy we found on the street" and "HITLER"
Actually, Salazar Slytherin was named after a Portuguese dictator, whose surname was Salazar. He wasn't as bad as Hitler, but still did many shitty things.
@@setsu-chon I was obviously joking in my comment. But also that's a cool fun fact thanks
@@setsu-chon so that's who the guy in potc 5 is supposed to represent
@@setsu-chon i mean "wasn't as bad as hitler" is relative. Salazar was a fascist too, Hitler's playbook and all.
@@setsu-chon oh come on Rowling! Coulda done better than that
I think the worst thing Rowling did to the Slytherins is that before the battle of Hogwarts when McGonagall said that whoever wanted to could stay and fight not a SINGLE Slytherin stayed to fight for the school
Yep. Pure BS on her end
This is why I enjoy (some) HP fanfiction over canon. There are a number of talented writers who did so much more with the world and characters than JK could manage. I have to hand it to her for creating something grand, but she didn’t have the skill to build it up properly.
Didnt they put all the Slytherin in the forbidden forest?
@@Elamado97 no they were sent home before the battle began, then the majority of them joined the Death Eaters. Slughorn is the only Slytherin who fought for Hogwarts
@@NomdePlume337 most of the students in slytherin would choose not to fight because their parents are Death Eaters, they wouldn't want to be there in the first place or would want to go to them, people like to forget that
Why is nobody pointing out the fact that Merlin is at least 400 years older than the founding of Hogwarts and therefore could not have been sorted into Slytherin because he couldn’t have been sorted at all 😭
Posthumous sorting?
JKR bad at math, don't worry about it
I think he was one of the teachers or a head of house and that's how he got sorted
Didn't Melin have shit with time travel? If that is the case he might have gone back in time after going through Hogwarts.
@@doggodesign4259 he remembers in reverse so when he’s old it feels like the start of his life and vice versa I think at least
Can you imagine an algorithm in our world that would sort the children on their first day of school ? "Hmmm okay you sound ambitious, go sit with the neo-nazis at that table please"
isnt that literally the youtube algorithm
I’d be like what??
There might be some story potential there. Think of a scenario where a kid who isn't really a bad kid gets sorted to Slytherine for whatever reason. Then everyone treats him as being evil because he's Slytherine even though really he's a good guy. Then in the story he just slowly turns evil not because "Oh he was evil all a long" but because everyone already was convinced he was going to be evil and treated him as such. Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophesy sort of thing that's caused by everyone's bias towards that house and the result just fuels that Bias further. Thinking "Oh. He was slytherine and he became evil" instead of realizing, "Oh we treated him as evil and turned him into what he is"
In a way, Rowling was being prescient: don’t you remember that Smithsonian PSA on “white supremacy” that claimed having rigid standards and caring about accuracy facts is “white culture”?
Honestly the whole house thing it was not created by Rowling. Once the English schools were really Managed in this way with 4 big houses who gets points and at the end of the year, win the one with more point.
The problem is how Rowling made a big personality separation for this system
Slytherin kid: *blinks*
Dumbledore: 10 billion points to Gryffindor
If Harry and Ginny fucked in the middle of the Great Hall Dumbledore would give Gryffindor infinity house points.
If you're sorted into the house whose mascot never blinks, blinking is an utter failure to be an upstanding representation of your house.
Wait, scratch that, snakes in the Harry Potter universe do blink for some reason.
@@Xehanort10 And you remembered to use a condom Harry! One billion points to Gryffindor!
“Once again, Harry, you have managed to break all of the rules, put everybody at Hogwarts in great danger, cost us millions of dollars in property damage and everybody here hates you and wants you expelled. 100 billion points to Gryffindor!”
Griffindor kid: blinks
Snape: -10 billion points to Gryffindor
the idea that the sorting hat senses the racism in an 8 year olds soul and is like "imma make this kid a straight up klansman by year 3. Slytherin ya go" is sending me
the sorting hat wants to watch the world burn if you ask me
I like how the movies made Snape out to be more of a strict teacher who’s detached themselves emotionally to avoid feeling the pain of losing someone they loved ever again.
It also helps in the movie version he asks for Dumbledore to hide all the Potters, not just Lilly.
In the movies Neville’s fear of Snape comes across as more comedic.
While with the books it’s awful.
Book Snape came off as someone who enjoyed tormenting students.
Movie Snape came off as someone with a cold attitude that came off as rude.
We also see movie Snape go out of his way to protect Harry, Hermione, and Ron in “Prisoner of Azkaban” showing that he does genuinely care about his students and its not just about Lilly.
Also being played by Alan Rickman helped.
I wouldnt say he "cares" as much as a adult and especially a teacher would protect child students if they werent super awful wich book snape is.
In the movies he is more like someone who cleary doesnt like what he is doing but does it and in the end helps them,and sometimes is petty like trying to get remus fired.
Book Snape is trash. But then again, most of the characters show really disgusting behaviour in the books.
@SvobodovaEva Yeah book Snape gets zero sympathy from me, and I'm glad he died choking on his own blood.
I dunno, I kinda wish they kept Snapes initial desire to only keep Lily safe in the films. It would show how much he's changed since then.
In the movies, Snape is a strict, if sometimes harsh Teacher who does not act to the harm of his students, though he does have his biases, I.e. Harry Potter
In the books, Snape was just straight up evil
"It's a boy!"
"I shall name him Albus Severus George Hagrid Sirius Fred Dobby Ron Whomping Remus Draco Potter"
"No."
Whomping...LMAOOOO
Then we have the sweetest named child in the entire world: Lily Luna Potter. I always smile when I think of her because Ginny and Harry love Luna so much that they named their daughter after her and that makes me all kinds of teary eyed.
You forgot to add "Platform 9¾"
@@kraziiXIII And it's also kinda clever as "luna" also means moon, referring to moony aka lupin. It's like killing two birds with one stone but in a respectful and emotional way.
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 This is a super sweet sentiment and I "Awww"ed at first, but considering Remus Lupin basically means "Werewolf McWerewolf" and his greatest fear is the full moon and his condition caused him severe poverty and physical and mental harm, I think it may miss the mark if they were trying to make it be an homage to Remus and Luna at the same time.
Ah, yes. The 4 houses: Jock (who can do no wrong) Nerd, Doormat, and Racist
lmao for real 💀💀💀
PLSSSSS DEAD LMAOOOOO
Lmao doormat sounds about right
pls stop i’m not supposed to be awake at 4am MY ROOMMATES R GONNA WAKE UP STOP
Why tf did I laugh so hard at racist lmao
Every "Which house are you" quiz in a nutshell
Question: You see a small boy that has just been robbed by bullies. What do you do?
A: Bravely and Courageously stand up to the bullies and take back what was stolen
B: Compassionately and kindly speak to the boy and take him to a proper authority figure to get the problem solved
C: smartly and cleverly teach the boy a smart and clever spell that will let him get his toy back
D: Snake snake devil snake, Wicked Wicked Evil Wicked, Devil Snake Snake, DAAARK LOOOOOORD!
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Question; It is your birthday! What did you have for Breakfast?
A: buff bicep flipping you off
B: text book about reading
C: weed pancakes with all ur friends
D: snake venom and dungeon water
How do you brush your teeth?
A) Bravely.
B) While making a sandwich.
C) While reading a book.
D) I'm a snake.
Yeah I always wondered why people were just ok with Slytherin existing,
I mean imagine you've been sent to Hogwarts and someone's explaining the houses and its like
Gryffindor: They're brave.
Ravenclaw: They're smart
Hufflepuff: They're loyal
Slytherin: They practice eugenics, most of them are racist and some of them want to kill anyone who has two parents that aren't magical.
And the fact im a Slytherin/Ravenclaw and I could nt be more oor minded. Im literally hating on jk Rowling for being a transphobic shit
Not all Slytherins have prejudice. Not all others houses are good.
@@erician5005 All the canon Slytherins are terrible. Real authors rescuing the work have made many realistic ones who aren't but she didn't.
@@Frommerman Regulus Black, Horace Slughorn, Andromeda Tonks
@@DavidbarZeus1 Joined the Wizard Nazis and got cold feet, was casually racist and an inveterate coward who saw no problem with existing power structures, did nothing while Wizard Nazis took over. All of these are marks of terrible people. The closest thing to a good person there was Regulus...who abjectly failed at the only good thing we know he attempted in a way which led to a loose fragment of Wizard Hitler's soul being literally lost for over a decade. If you join the Wizard Nazis, you better get up to some Schindler-tier resistance or I'm still going to call you terrible.
My theory: Slytherins just adapt to the spooky green lights of the dungeons, so the bright sunlit halls of the rest of the castle just make their eyes hurt and put them in a shitty mood.
Love that
Oh... Yeah, that 100% makes sense. Holy shit.
Honestly that would make sense, green is very easy on the eyes so after sitting all day in green it WOULD hurt or at least be uncomfortable to go outside
There's an old tumblr post floating around that talked about their common room seeing into the lake so yeah. Chill out with the shimmer and critters of the lake above you or light headaches.
i’d be pissed too if every other house got cool towers and i got a dungeon under a lake lol
House Heroes, House Racist, House smart and Cedric Diggory.
He's the only Hufflepuff that mattered and he died.
And yet Hufflepuff is unironically the best House; all the other founders were exclusionary w/ regards to their students; Slytherin was only willing to teach purebloods; Gryffindor wanted only the bravest, & Ravenclaw only wished to teach the smartest.
Only Helga Hufflepuff was willing to "take the rest" & teach them all she knew. Obvs. schools should encourage students w/ particular aptitudes, but those aptitudes should not be a prerequisite to teach students when said students are only *11* years old.
@@jeandehuit5385 Jokes on the other houses, the Hufflepuff houses are near the kitchens.
Hufflepuff doesn’t matter because they are the background characters. They could have been great because they are kind and loyal. But because they don’t have a specific trait like the other houses they have no development
Sadly, Diggory is the only fleshed out character within Hogwarts :( On the other side: there's also Tonks. Many people don't believe me at first, but Tonks is team yellow all the way and she'S one of my favourite characters!
House Hufflepuff has enormous potential, but they took all the specific house traits and mixed them into Gryffindor house, so there's nothing notable left. Tbh, Harry could have also made a good Puff ^^
@@parkchimmin7913 I can't figure out why they're not all fat. Living near the kitchen and not having to walk up the tower every single day? I know I would have been...
My head cannon for why Crabbe and Goyle were in Slytherin despite not being cunning is that they were actually incredibly smart and just pretending to be stupid so that they could get away with more.
Maybe 100 % pureblood.
I mean, seeing as they were fairly quick to in a way ditch malfoy as soon as his family couldn't secure their status, as in when lucius went to the magical torture facility. They didn't have many appearances, but they kinda stopped listening to him, as evidenced by the whole fire-in-which-one-of-them-dided-i-forgor-cause-it-doesn't-matter situation.
@@davidburland6576 As they say, keep it in the family.
That would work except for the fact that your house isn't determined by what traits you have but the traits you value the most and have the potential to utilise. Crabbe and Goyle would have valued ambition and cunning above knowledge and wit, bravery and strength or loyalty and honesty. That's why they were put into Slytherin.
@@baked_alaska didn't ask
Honestly I think it could've been a really great moment if, in that big final battle, voldemort was all "alright slytherins you guys are gonna back me up here, right?" and then gets betrayed by them, not necessarily on grounds of them being good people who have a change of heart, but rather because a bunch of them go "why the hell should I listen to you?" And ask themselves what kind of ambitious, cunning slytherin is pathetic enough to jump at the chance to be a mere lackey to some bald guy.
Just- y e s
He doesn't even have a Nose!
As a bald man I resent this remark!
"what if we took the children of proud, influential, unpunished Nazis and gathered them all into one room to discuss the merits of fascism for seven years? This is a good plan that could in no way fail whatsoever."
Thinking that xenophobic and nationalistic ideals isn’t monopolized by the nazi party. The blood supremacist are more akin to the tory or upper class gentry that is prevalent in the UK……
@@benjaminacuna8013 I was just using a contemporary example. Voldemort is essentially wizard Hitler and the death eaters are wizard Nazis.
@@benjaminacuna8013 Ye Voldemort is defs a Hitler allegory, same with the death eaters and slytherin are defs somewhat representative off the Hitler youth. The wizarding world is defs for sure similar to the Tory government. Especially that under Margret Thatcher.
@@toddfrombethesda6963 Bruh
- Dumbledore, probably
“Gryffindor, Smart, Yellow, and Evil.”
Yep, that’s it, those are the houses
I honestly didn't even remember what color Hufflepuff was...
Yup. My howarts house is Yellow. The house where people are supposed to be kind, loyal and hard-working but the only one who was any of those traits in said house was Cedric Diggory
@@erinbathie-moore8478 wowowow.... 2 MINUTES AGO??!! Damm that's luck
This made me laugh so hard. As a non fan I picked yellow because it looks best against my melanin. Legit no other reason. Drove my fairweather fandom mates insane. "NO you can't be Hufflepuff, they suck! You have to Red Lion Main Storyarc!" If I have to play along to something I'm only minimally intrigued by at best, I'm keeping the best colour for my outfit, the motherfucking badger (which is a crazy gorgeous animal) and that it annoys the normies to be the pleasant one.
ravenclaws arent even smart XD
The thing is, most good traits have bad traits associated with them. The houses would have been much more interesting if they explored them that way.
Gryffindor - Brave, chivalrous, honest, and idealistic. But also proud, stubborn, disruptive, and reactive.
Hufflepuff - Patient, loyal, fair, and accepting. But also easily fooled, sensitive, doubting, and passive.
Ravenclaw - Intelligent, perceptive, introspective, and creative. But also absent-minded, cynical, idle, and aloof.
Slytherin - Ambitious, innovative, adaptable, and bold. But also self-centered, conniving, vain, and obsessive.
I tend to think of the houses this way anyways, even though it's abundantly clear Rowling didn't really write them nearly so nuanced. Nor was even terribly interested in writing them so nuanced. Maybe to retcon them to be that way if she thought it would sell more stuff, but thems the breaks.
Not everything needs nuanced, sometimes people are that basic
@@Jiub_SN People are never that basic, at least not when you actually start digging
The houses in a nutshell.
Gryffindor: you're the protagonist/friend of the protagonist
Ravenclaw: you're a nerd
Hufflepuff: do you even exist?!
Slytherin: you're freaking evil
Ravenclaw is also “you’re a side character who will continually appear but be doomed to never become a main character
The Four Hogwarts Houses:
Protagonists
Racists
Irrelevant
So irrelevant that it doubles back into being relevant because we all talk about how irrelevant it is.
"So irrelevant that..." Oh, you mean Yamcha?
Did Hufflepuff just play the biggest relevance con in all of pop-culture?
Is the last one Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw
@@montereyjackcheesestick8912 hufflepuff
@@brandonadrien3476 No. he means your overused unfunny TFS jokes
It's almost as if putting highly impressionable young children into a house that's set up with an evil aesthetic, has an evil backstory, and is treated like it's evil, is bad because they're going to take on some of those traits... idk just shooting in the dark here
But that’s something the writer chose to do and it doesn’t explain the lack of good characters
*Labelling theory intensifies*
*self-fulfulling prophecy intensifies*
@@candlelighter1588 JK R*wling doesn’t get rights in this house, so she doesn’t get rights to her writing.
My theory is that Voldemort ruins the Slytherin name. Slytherin is not actually an evil house it's just that Voldemort basically runs everything behind the shadows!
@@youtbuecraert I mean you can say that all you want, but the text is the text.
Also I just want to point out the founder of Slytherin literally tortured non-pure bloods in a secret death chamber where he kept his murder snake.
Just an idea to add to how to make Snape more sympathetic and understandable in suspecting Harry. They could have brought up that Harry was raised by Petunia, someone very prejudiced and whom Snape also hated. So Snape could think Harry is not only like his father but that he's more like his awful aunt than his mom. If I where writing a scene about thus I would make a subtle comment about Snape opposing Dumbledore's decision to leave Harry with the Dursleys and implying he would have raised Harry himself.
... You know, Snape secretly raising Harry right under the Dark Lord's nose would have been SUCH a funny and interesting twist.
@@BrokensoulRiderThe Dark Lord’s WHAT?
Even he has a nose despite it looking like two deprived slits. @@ashhabimran239
@@BrokensoulRider I don't think the dark lord has one of those
That's the point. >:)@@Sarah12471
“Gryffindor, smart, yellow, evil”
Ah yes, the only four personality traits
There's is an irony that "Gryffindor" has a "Yellow" lion for an icon, has many "Smart" people...some of which are are "Evil".
Ah yes, the only four genders
My gender is yellow tag urself
I mean shit knowing some of JK Rowlings opinions about trans people she might even agree with that level of absurd reductionism
The bigger question is how a random sampling of 11-year-olds all conveniently distribute evenly among the four.
The four Hogwarts Houses: Main Character, Villain, Exposition, and Irrelevant.
This. This is so accurate it hurts-
What is Ravenclaw
@@weepingangel3478 Exposition.
@@NeptuneJr Sorry haven't watch movies in while and same for the books so don't remember much of ravenclaw
Eyyy, I’m Irrelevant! 😎
Goyle might not fit Slytherin, but the last book shows Crabbe does. He’s more dismissive of Draco, more concerned with getting Harry to get in Voldemorts good books. He’s revealed to be less a loyal bodyguard and more a conniving social climber who stuck by Malfoy due to his families prominence in Dark Wizarding circles, but is quick to look to his own ambitions once Draco and the Malfoys lose their prestige.
I think the best thing Hogwarts Legacy did was give not evil Slytherin characters, and make those who do bad things genuinely morally grey. Sebastian’s questline was by far one of the best parts of the game. Even the most snooty slytherin were still generally just more prideful, and weren’t genuinely bad.
👍 Yeah, I think legacy handled Slytherin much better than the books and movie did in having the Slytherin still having Slytherin traits like ambition, etc, but still be good guys, or at the very least not the two-dimensional “mustache twirlers” they tend to be in books and movies. I suppose you could reconcile the game with the movies and books by having Slytherins in the 100 years between the game and books slowly be corrupted by Valdimort’s influence (especially since Valdimort’s followers tended to be the same “aristocratic” type wizards you find in House Slytherin), having the “Wizard Supremacists” faction slowly take over the house, and/or any other of number of things that would slowly corrupt House Slytherin from being mostly ambitious but good wizards to dark wizards.
That was pre Voldemort right? I think it makes sense that Voldemort influenced the house massively. Obviously the gryffindors of the past and especially pre Voldemort wouldn't be the same, why would the slytherin? It's likely the slytherin's families were related to Voldemort given slytherin traits are conducive to Voldemort and evil and thus they were all actually evil during this perios
in my mind it probably has to do with it being before voldemort. seems like he in many ways corrupted a lot of slytherin house and his stain will hopefully wash away in the future
I think making Slytherin the "evil wizards" house was just lazy writing. Hogwarts Legacy did it much better, and showed me that Slytherins can be ambitious and still be good ppl. Imelda for example, she comes off as rude but she's just super competitive, not really a bully. Plus (spoilers) if you beat her in all the flying races she will tell you you're an asset to your house, regardless of your house.
Also the Slytherin common room is absolutely beautiful! The Hufflepuff common room is also beautiful, but it didn't have me admiring it every time I saw it the way the Slytherin common room did. 🐍
I also absolutely adored Ominis Gaunt in that game. He was practically sorted into Slytherin because of his bloodline, and the guy absolutely detested the blood status obsession his family had, unlike many Slytherins.
Real talk, Slytherin House should've been abolished after Chamber of Secrets. Guys who hide 60 foot long killer snakes in a school for the expressed purpose of killing children shouldn't get a house named after them.
Facts
Nah, but then none of your wealthy Slytherin alumni would give money during Hogwarts' annual donation drive! 🙃
@@sweetpeabee4983 okay, I wish harry potter had more shitty private academy culture represented in it.
Dumbledore and the Ministry decided to cover the Chamber of Secrets matter up as best they could. Dumbledore operated by secrets and lies, his own brother pointed it out.
how about all houses? just sort people by age, let children interact with each without a preconceived idea of each other?!
It’s funny with house quizzes that are so obvious
“How do you write your homework?”
- Bravely, and while roaring like a lion.
- Cunningly & evilly, cheating using an all knowing snake.
- In the library, writing full paragraphs for one word questions.
- Loyally, helping your friends before doing your own. (And making full course meals for your friends)
Where's the answer "I don't"? Lmao
It’s a good quiz because I got my favourite house in the end
"a man's wallet falls out of his pocket and he doesn't notice, what do you do with it?"
-keep it
-proudly return it and brag about it later
-humbly and respectfully return it
-lecture him on how to prevent it from happening again and give it back if he can repeat the last thing you said.
Is there a "procrastinate until the due date" answer?
Is there a "Writes correct answer with 0 explanation" answer? (I do this too much in every subject)
Re: Slytherin returning to the final battle: the fact that JK either seemingly forgot what she did or didn’t write in her own books, or knowingly lied about the content of her stories in such a casual manner is just… so revealing about her entire personality and thought process. Instead of reflecting for even a moment on what she could have done better when writing her stories, she chooses instead to rewrite her own world’s history on the fly in response to justified criticism. This just goes to show that she is completely incapable of considering the fact that she could have done better. The level of success that she reached must do something to your brain, making it impossible to consider the fact that you made mistakes and succeeded regardless.
I scrolled so far for this, glad I'm not the only one shaking my head at that part
She knew that giving Slytherin redeeming qualities would have made Gryffindor the bad guy house
Gryffindor: Main Character/Protagonist
Slytherin: Antagonist/Villain
Ravenclaw: Exposition Fountains
Hufflepuff: NPCs you can barely interact with outside of rare quests.
Ha! So true
Hufflepuff: that one dude who died but for the time he was alive you could fangirl over him
@@acethemain7776 - Pretty much…. which is why so many people assumed Newt Scamander’s brother was a Gryffindor. How on earth could a WWI veteran, and the Head Auror be a Hufflepuff? That House is apparently only for duffers and dead pretty boys.
In Harry Potter, you can either be:
-Protagonist
-Smart
-Background Character
-Hitler
Cedric was not npc
JK Rowling: Slytherins are not all bad!
Her own books: Every Slytherin is evil minus one who's still racist.
Why did she retcon her own story in a podcast?
Andromeda was a racist?
@@lastfullast8819 Don't remember that character. Bet there was something wrong with 'em though.
@@295Phoenix Actually no. Andromeda, in the ONE paragraph she was in was nothing but kind.
Problem is you wouldn't know she was a slytherin unless you checked the wiki and as you pointed out she was so forgettable most people don't even remember she existed.
@@Lunacorva So she isn't relevant at all and is barely a character then. What a shame, a genuine good slytherin and they aren't even important.
It would be hilarious if the Pottermore sorting literally did not sort anyone into a House because we're all Muggles, and it was just like "get lost, muggle!" lol
Lol
When I was a kid I was obsessed with the fifth movie and mostly just watched that one without any of the others. And for some reason I was convinced that Umbridge was a hufflepuff, when I found out she wasn’t I was pretty disappointed. I thought her being bad was supposed to be telling us that just cause you’re in a ‘good house’ doesn’t mean your a good person, so a ‘bad house’ must not make you a bad person either.
I also thought it was hinting at secret corruption in all the houses and they could just hide their hate better and do it subtly. Like how Hermione is weirdly left out of a lot of stuff in her own house, or Luna being bullied by hers.
When I finally got around to the next movie I was so sure that it was gonna be revealed to harry by someone in slug club that lots of people in all houses believe in some level of blood supremacy, and they told him cause they thought harry might believe some bad stuff too.
Sorry for the long comment lol, I just thought it was interesting how one misunderstanding on my part changed my whole perception on the world the characters were in. And maybe made me a little disappointed.
I find it hilarious that Fandom Slytherin is so different from Canon Slytherin- and so much more cool and fleshed out
heh, imagine they being sorted on hufflepuff
@@Szobiz we probably would be but u know what…idc lemme live my dark academia fantasy
This is why I have turned to fanfics cause fandom slytherin is so much more fleshed out.
rowling hasn't had ownership over this universe since 2007
@@isaiahnichols3125 go outside
“Luna’s weird. She’s a weirdo. You ever seen her without those radish earrings. That’s weird.”
I lolled waaay too hard for too long 😂
💀
Don’t bring that up. Please. Love the acknowledgment of Luna, but no. Not Riverdale. Not the Jughead speech. No no no no no no no no.
_that reference is_ *cursed*
@@materialgirl4896 Yes, but it's not _wrong..._
same
I think part of the reason that Snape is so hilariously mishandled is that the series started out as a whimsical British children's novel in the spirit of Roald Dahl, where it is customary to have hilariously cruel adult figures and nobody really bats an eye at it. Then, later, when the story becomes more complex, we have to reconcile the caricatures that made sense within that old setting with an entirely new setting in which adults have realistic motivations and personalities.
Same problem with the Dursleys, they're so ridiculous and cartoonish that it's hard to take them seriously and that no one ever noticed their deranged behavior.
Snape was saved by Alan rickman
when i was younger, i would fantasise about going to hogwarts and being selected into slytherin and being the only nice one lol. people would go “and why are you in slytherin” and id just say “I like snakes”
haha that'd be great. Also: "because I eat breakfast ambitiously."
Honestly, I wouldn't mind going to Slytherin. Just because it has a terrible start doesn't mean it cannot be fixed.
I'm in Slytherin...
here I am as a Slytherin and me going "I ambitiously draw stuff efrtgyu7i"
valid.
Imagine being an 11 year old who asked the hat to put you in Slytherin just because you thought snakes were cool, or liked the color green.
The hat would tell you to bugger off because that's not how Sorting works
I....would totally have been that kid, the slytherin house colouration would have left a strongly positive impression on me, man would that have been a bummer when everyone started treating me like the bad guy.
@@heyokaikaggen6288 “You ain’t a protagonist, you can’t tell me where to put you! That’s a Hufflepuff answer if I ever heard one! ‘I like snakes and green’ Get outta here and go eat crayons if ya like green so much!” - sorting hat maybe
@@Abdega I laughed way harder at this than I should have.
🧍🏻♀️me standing in the slytherin common room realizing im surrounded by ambitious racists whose parents are all part of sum weird blood cult where they worship sum snake faced old guy all just bc my dumb muggle ass likes green,,, calling my mom from the bathroom crying bc my new magic school also has magic racism built in and -please just put me in the miscellaneous house i promise ill change my whole aesthetic to yellow i swear plz
Any TTRPG can tell you; you need a balanced party. So sure, sort the kids into Houses if you must, but THEN you sort them into teams with a House apiece, for the majority of their academics. So, one Gryffindor, one Slytherin, one Hufflepuff, and one Ravenclaw in a four person group. Sure, they'll get time with their House in their off-time, but they must work with the other Houses in class. And scrap the house points thing entirely, really.
I love that Hermione timetraveled and was in two places at once in the same book in which Harry got a map that allowed him to see where everyone was. How he didn’t notice Hermione in two spaces? How Snape couldn’t see two Harrys and Hermiones in the end of the book if he saw in the map where Sirius was? Combining the two ideas was a awful choice for JK
Fans are always like "I don't know why people think Slytherin is evil!" Uh.... Because that's exactly how Rowling wrote it lol.
Cuz she made us sound like the worst ppl u can meet. UM HELLO, PETTIGREW WAS GRYFFINDOR. OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT QUIRRELL, WHO SOMEHOW MADE IT INTO RAVENCLAW.
@@maiakilleen2685 Ah yes. Two people ended up bad. That's.....less than 1% of all people from other houses who are evil and.........99.999999% of those in Slytherin
@@maiakilleen2685 "Us"?
@@Heuhegeygeygeheu this guy thinks he would be a slytherin even though none of the slytherins are muggle born.
@@suppmydiff3257 so merlin who fought got muggle rights was Slytherin as was Horice slughorn.
Remember how bewildered Harry was when he realized in the 4th book that other wizarding schools didn't have houses? Why did the books not explore that further?
Because Jk fucked herself with ilvermorny and gave the US hogwarts houses like an idiot
English and Australian schools have houses - however they’re a lot more prominent in boarding schools. House culture is for the most part non-existent elsewhere.
@@maryapapaya I'm Sri lankan and in the 2 schools I were in have houses, but it only mattered for intra school sports activities, so basketball competions, field sports culture festivals and swim meets
@Paper Magpie the school i went to had "communities" named after famous activists Nelson Mandela(blue) Emily Pankhurst (Yellow) Martin Luther King (Green) Although there wasnt any way kids were sorted. It was still fun tho fighting for your house in sport days and such. We would sit sepperatly in assemblys. It did create some minor confilicts here and there bases on kids thinking their house is the best one.
I just think it would've been neat to explore it further is all
The problem with Snape's redemption for me always came down to like... It being often discussed as if it's JUST about his mistreatment of Harry. But like... He was enough of a bully of a teacher that a 14-year-old boy whose parents had been tortured to insanity and was raised by an emotionally abusive grandmother had Severus Snape count as his greatest fear. Like yes, he was doing right by Harry the whole time, but like... That does not justify traumatizing all the OTHER children under his care. A situation like that can lead me to consider somebody to be not purely evil, and evidence that you don't need to be a good person to do the right thing.
Snape reminds me of someone like Oskar Schindler. At any other point in history, he would have been justly thought of as an unimportant petty bastard who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a classroom. But because of when he was born and where he lived and the role he occupied in society, he found himself in a unique position to fight back against a far greater evil than he could ever have enacted, he rose to the moment and put his life on the line to fight it. It does not make him a good man, but it does make him a hero.
One thing I don't see brought up often enough is that in Order of the Phoenix, Snape sees Harry's abusive upbringing at the hands of the Dursleys during the Occlumency lessons, and that does *nothing* to change his view that Harry is a pampered egomaniac
The Four Hogwarts Houses:
Cool tower with amazing view
Cool tower with amazing view
Basement
Basement
You forgot that one in the basement is next to the kitchen.....because Hufflepuff apparently.
@@KoRnChEn and its doubles as a indoor greenhouse...plants are the best!
Nah nah. Basement but next to the kitchen.
Which ones are the basement again?
@@sandyqinyu4869 slytherin and hufflepuff :)
"They are not all bad, they're just all racist. Which isn't the same as bad." --- JK Rowling.
considering Rowling's current views that kind of thought process isn't surprising
@@abbie_joan fr
@@abbie_joan Yes, she takes her feminism seriously, and refuses to open it up to mutilated, non-egg producers. How terrible of her.
@@remo27 Since feminism's gone from a women's rights group to a woman superiority group that hates everyone whether it's men, women who don't agree with them, trans people and everyone else that's not a good thing. Egalitarianism wants equality. Feminism just wants all men dead for the sin of having a penis.
@@remo27 No one cares what Joanne "my ex husband abused me so all men are evil" Rowling says.
As someone who hasn't read the books, I feel like the reason Harry Potter is so famous and consistent through the years is because people love Hogwarts and the overall creativity and setting but not the characters as they were in the books that's why there isn't much content on harry (the main character) but a lot on other relatively smaller characters( Draco for instance) bc fans saw the unfulfilled potential and what these characters could've been (thats why there's so much headcanon in the fandom). I didn't really get the thing for hp until I read fanfiction I feel like the series is so black & white. It lacks complex characteristics and sometimes is cliché and tbh the main story isn't that special either
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the FULL fantasy concept...the environments...societies...hogwarts itself is what makes this fantasy world pure masterpiece
I love how Quinn came to UA-cam for just a couple years, made a huge impact, and then just left. What a badass
fr :,)
They made a new video in their community page a few days ago.
I just think it's funny that the founders of Hogwarts were like
"I only accept the brave"
"I only accept the ambitious"
"I only accept the wise"
"I accept LITERALLY EVERYONE THE FUCK ELSE."
Gotta respect Helga for that!
Helga is the only one who wanted anyone else to get educated lol
fr 💀
This is why Im a Hufflepuff
The 4 types of kids:
Brave
Ambitious
Wise
Miscellaneous
this reminds me of that post talking about how harry potter is entirely a story about reinstating the status quo. no radical political change, no reform in the face of voldemort's defeat, just going back to not overtly hating muggles and muggle-borns. harry didn't *fix* anything, he just undid what voldemort tried to do, but did that change anyone's mind? no, probably not.
This also made me realize that any sort of discrimination against muggleborns that isn't straight up wizard nazi shit is just never really addressed so the entire point of this magical fascism just can 100% be forgotten, like there could be systemjc issues muggleborns face that is talked about and explored and experienced by the characters but...no? Its just weird that this uprising of magician Hitler support party is so powerful and there aren't any like levels? Of people prejudices? Or inherent biases? Its just good person or nazi.
true i think its the limits of a racism metaphor by someone who isnt antiracist and doesnt understand race or racism. like capitalist realism but with race (or race metaphors) where she could critique the status quo (being very generous to call it critique lol) but could not (or did not want to) imagine anything different
he just helped to isolate slytherin even more in the future. man, i can see a new voldemort in a few years.
And THEN he became a god damn wizard cop
@@The_Jovian LOL RIGHT??? AS IF THAT MADR MORE SENSE THAN BECOMING A HOGWARTS TEACHER
i've always wondered why rowling didn't just have silkies instead of house elves, but i guess they're just a plot device to make evil seem more evil.
silkies in english and scottish folklore are fae that dedicate themselves to household chores, and are respected and treated well in that regard.
a great example is the silver lady from the ancient magus bride. she absolutely loves to tend to the house of the mage that gave her a home, and she is treated with reverence and respect for her every day house work
thats because jk rowling's writing is as flat as a pancake with as much nuance as a crap stain on the wooden floor. doubt she is even all that much familiar with folklore beyond surface level.
Huh
Alright replacing elves with silkies in the rewrite then
furthermore, the owner of the house, elias ainsworth, considers the silver lady to be more like a landlady than a servant lol
There isnt also some variations of elfs that can attack if you disrespect it but also can help you in the house?
I dont remember very good but I think there is.
There are a lot of magical creatures that could have been used that are framed as helpers but also are able to lash out if disrespected.
Hell you could even still use House Elves, but make it something that is inherently associated with families that are more noble or "Imperial" like House Black or Malfoys, like something that replicates the hierarchical structure such families would be the ones to push.
At the same time Hogwarts or more modern wizards use other magical creatures who take up a more equal position.
Now it would absolutely deepen the whole "Slytherins are kinda assholes" thing, but it's already there.
Horus telling tom about horcruxes is like the highschool chemistry teacher telling the quiet kid how to build a bomb.
Not exactly. Tom was the most popular kid in class. All the students and teachers loved the kid. Tom was as popular as Dumbledore was.
More like a physics teacher giving info about nukes
Which is, you know. Completely normal
Not exactly. It's more like your high school chemistry teacher is Walter white and he just asked you to help him cook
One comment my mom had about the series always stuck in my mind: Why wasn't Dumbledore a Slytherin? He is resourceful, ambitious and definitely excels at leadership, and these qualities made him one of the most successful and revered wizard in the wizarding world -- he is kind of exactly whom a Slytherin student would aspire to be. If Dumbledore had been revealed to be in Slytherin, all those disturbed little snakes would have been granted a balancing figure. Imagine growing up knowing that "Every wizard that has turned to the dark side has been from Slytherin," from the house you're now in, yet if Dumbledore had also been a proud Slytherin alumni it would have given a counterweight, a wizard to look up to that came from your house: Yes, every dark wizard has come from Slytherin, but some of the greatest ones came too. I feel like this might have been the purpose of adding Merlin to Slytherin, but it would have been a much greater move to add Dumbledore since he's an actual character.
There were dark wizards from the other houses too. Dumbldore wasn't in Slytherin because J.k thought The Slytherin traits mean evil and Dumebldore=good
I legitimately forgot that Dumbledore was a ravenclaw because every peice of media hes been featured in since half blood prince shows that he spent most of his time leading up to being a young adult doing extremely slytherin things.
@@disasterrook2656 Actually he is a gryffindor lol, I know it dosen't make sense
The counterpoint to this is "Dumbledore's dark as fuck, he's just good at hiding it"...tbf, the only real justifications for that are fanon concepts (magical power limiters, magical nobility, and other things along those lines), a modern definition of child abuse that absolutely was not reflected in the laws of 1980s Britain (and likely wouldn't have been enforced against a middle-class white family in Tory-dominated Surrey even after 1989), and a severe lack of clarity about just how much power he has in his various positions.
More likely, Dumbledore's just a Transfiguration professor and a semi-competent administrator who got Peter Principle'd after he won a duel against a Dark Lord who wasn't really trying that hard.
i think cause Dumbledore was like the main 3's mentor like he was supposed to be Aslan from Narnia so he wasnt slytherin.
Gryffindor: I'm important
Slytherin: I'm evil
Ravenclaw: I'm exposition
Hufflepuff: I'm
o7 for Hufflepuff for the iconic color, egg yolks
Hufflepuff is there to never win anything lol
Can't come 4th
A marshmallow
Hufflepuff: I’m sidekick
hufflepuff: i find shit
I think Snape (and by extension, Slytherin) is one of the best examples of how Rowling fails to write a proper fantasy world. Sure it's fun when you're like 12, but you grow older, take a look at something like Lord Of The Rings, and think about Harry Potter for five minutes...it just fails. Mainly, this boils down to 'good ideas executed horribly' and/or 'ideas not explored to its fullest'. I personally just find it fascinating how many good ideas stumble and trip down twenty flights of stairs because Rowling's way of writing the world just doesn't work properly, and instead of admitting it she tries to play it off like she knew everything, planned everything and is an omnipotent god.
At first the houses seem like a critique of social castes, but it becomes clear rowling actually has no problem with those lol
Harry should have just named his son Hagrid Hagrid Potter. That man has been with him since the beginning.
Yes, but he's of inferior class! Can't even use magic!
Kidding, kind of?
I'm just saying Harry is just as bad as everyone else.
Lol what
Or like serious minny potter
@@TheDancerMacabre Would fit Al and him being a called a squib son of Harry Potter.
Actually, Hagrid is his last name, so it would be Rubeus Rubeus Potter.
A great example of doing this properly would be Avatar: The Last Airbender and the Fire Nation, which starts off by introducing them as the big bad of the four element groups, but very quickly begins gradually turning this upside on its head. The finale pretty much does exactly what isn't done with Slytherin house.
Also The Wheel of Time, red ajah Aes Sedai are often seen as the bad ones but they gradually get fleshed out. In fact what they do isn't inherently wrong, all a matter of perspective
Spoilers!! 😂
I really liked how Sokka’s swordsman teacher was from the Fire Nation but ended up being a part of the White Lotus. Really great world-building and characterization 🤗
@@garmadonthesensei59 bruh you give more spoilers than OP, at least he didn't go into specifics 😂
@@Junya01 Sorry!! That’s why I tagged it with spoilers 😅
Further turning it on its head, Hama the Bloodbender can arguably be seen as an antithesis to the usual practice of Waterbending, from its philosophy as a discipline to more tangible elements such as stances and motions (as Bloodbending seems to use more rigid movements) to perhaps the culture of the Water Tribe itself.
I was always curious..... exactly what the hell were all those other Wizarding schools we saw in the goblet of fire doing when all this magical war stuff was going on?
The wildest part about Dumbledore’s sentence “I sometimes think we Sort too soon…” is that he ACTUALLY thinks Slytherins shouldn’t be that brave! Even Snape, the best they got, shouldn’t be there in the first place! What are Slytherins supposed to be then?
I never did get over the dumbledore’s army thing. I couldn’t stand that ALL the slytherins didn’t join, totally betraying their houses values
Especially when you remember, these kids grew up with these people. And even if a good portion of them hold Pureblood supremacy views, you'd think most would look at Voldemort and go, "Nah, Fuck that." Hell, the only reason Lucius and everyone that isn't Bellatrix is staying is because they're too scared to leave now.
@@randomcenturion7264 We're the ones that read the books and made her money. Hard to say she wrote it wrong when she knew what to put to paper to get the cash.
It's not like all the other houses joined. It was like 30 people. Plus all the Slytherins had connections to Voldemort.
@@randomcenturion7264 word. I thought they were slytherins? Why bow to another dark wizard for? They made a mistake making the slytherins into cowards.
Weren't Slytherins also isolated from Dumbledore's army.
Imagine taking the Pottermore quiz and one of the questions being "How racist do you think you'll be?"
“How Aryan is your bloodline?”
" What is your favorite animal?: A White Howl, a Crow, a Fox?"
Based on the state of the world/the human population, I'm gonna guess there'd actually be waaaaayyyyy more official Slytherins if we factored in the racism thing
Political compass test but it gives you a hogwarts house
Bridgette Martinez, nobody is racist. Racist people do not exist. People carefully look at the facts that make sense* and logically conclude that white people are superior to other races.
*Facts that make sense: another way to say "facts that reinforce the conclusion one wants to reach".
Asking people if they are racist will not give you the answer you want. I think the only people who would admit to be racist are the ones who are aware of their own bias and want to change.
Edit: yes, lots of people are racist. the first paragraph of this post is only a rationalization of racism by a racist person. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Harry Potter fans love the series so much that they desperately want the series to be better
Like all fandoms.
It would have been kinda interesting if houses treaded some traits. Like this for example:
- Red: brave but reckless
- Yellow: endurant but indecisive, usually lucking initiative.
- Blue: wise but uncreative, usually taking already made solution instead of making own.
- Green: creative but prideful, prefering to make stuff on their own but lucking respect or patience to learn from others.
All the bad guys being Slitherin's really a missed opportunity. Imagine having different villains from different houses and examining all the houses and their traits and how they may turn into something less than pleasant under the right circumstances.
Not all the bad guys were Slytherin. Peter Pettigrew, Gilderoy Lockhart, Quirinus Quirrell, Igor Karkaroff, and Gellert Grindelwald were not in Slytherin. Most of them were though.
That would require a nuanced view of good and evil that is given more thought than simply "If you're not a brave hero, an egghead or a housewife, you're evil."
@@eleanorheslinga4918 Two characters you're talking about didn't even go to Hogwarts so what is the point about them not being Slytherin?
@@eleanorheslinga4918 True, but that’s three vs. the thirty other Slytherin villains and general assholes 😅. There’s a clear pattern here
Evil Ravenclaw: Pretty easy. Classic Felix Faust mentality, willing to trade anything for knowledge.
Evil Gryffindor: Trickier. Maybe someone overzealous who charges around starting fights for stupid reasons.
Evil Hufflepuff: I got nothing. Puts pot in brownies without warning you?
"You were named after two of the bravest men I know, Goku Naruto."
Goku can eat my shorts
@@Michael-McCollum Goku was a SUPER SAIYAN!!
Kind Dragon sends his regards
@@spiderlegs157 caboose from red vs blue can take goku down to china town
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 ua-cam.com/users/shortsHoWCxoFl-d8?feature=share
23:34 I like this idea you have woven here about a Snape rewrite. A lot. It seems like it would make for a more compelling relationship to read than canon, and also imply an important lesson for young readers if they were receptive to the idea.
Snape: curious, intimidating, gives lots of homework.
Harry: judgemental about appearances.
Snape: starts seeing instances that look as if Harry is bullying other children.
Harry: keeps getting into "adventures" that break important rules and are dangerous to many.
Also harry: first time being hated by an adult for reasons within his control.
I'm also intrigued by your interpretation that readers got hung up on the romantic reveal because it happened last, but Snape's redemption was actually sacrificing almost his whole adult life to serving as a spy -- a long and difficult atonement for his crimes. It helped me finally understand why some people think he's not redeemed *enough* since I'd always thought his redemption was the spying (and how much more *enough*-ish can you get than your entire adult life?). Of course they wouldn't think just having a teenage crush that never ended would be enough, if that's how they interpreted the story.
Except Harry didn't judge Snape on appearances but his actions. Also, we HEAR that he's a spy, but we basically see no evidence of that until the very end.
@@DavidbarZeus1The OP is talking about a hypothetical rewrite not the actual canon story.
@@mrweirdguy5249 On my first sentence, fair enough, but the second is a response to the part about canon. We’re never shown anything that supports Snape actually working for the Order except for three instances in his memories.
"A failing on Rowling's part"
Yeah, that's a good description of the Harry Potter books.
20:30 perfect example of this. Video tells us to expect some emotionally deep depths, then reads out the most basic line ever. JK overrated by her own readers.
Slytherin: Antagonists
Gryffindor: Protagonists
Ravenclaw: Quirky side characters
Hufflepuff: Comic Relief
You mean quirky side character. Luna is only one person (we don't talk about Gilderoy Lockhart).
gryffindor had all of these tropes alone
…I don’t think Cedric was-
@@peachstar5789 Cedric is the tokken cool Hufflepuff so that Rowling can say they are not all clowns
Lmao yeah
While it's awful to have an "evil" school house, personally it's even worse that Hufflepuff is essentially an NPC house. Not that Ravenclaw fares much better.
Ravenclaws are the NPCs that just randomly spit lore.
@@marissam3176 Stay a while and listen!
@@marissam3176 As a Ravenclaw that's so hilarious
@@EspeonMistress00 I’m also a Ravenclaw. Glad I could make you laugh
I don't they're that, you just view them as that. Both have great things to offer
“More of a moodboard then a man” me too, me too
Genuinely miss your content. Hope you’re good and thriving in whatever you’ve been doing since these vids!
kids were literally sorted into jock, nerds, preps and ethnonacionalists
edit: to everyone taking this comment seriously, learn to take a joke lmao
shiiit that was the dicotomy in my highschool
#relatable
Her minor isn’t a jock tho
@@froggy3268 and hermione also shouldn't have been a gryffindor let's be honest
@@screenwatcher949 you weren't a nerd, were you?
Gryfindor: I'm the protag
Slytherin: I'm the villain
Ravenclaw: I'm the smart one
Hufflepuff: I'm Batman
Bruce Wain would totally force himself to get sorted into hufflepuff just so nobody would ever suspect where the batshaped ninja superstar is hiding.
Lmao that's funny cause Robert pattinson (the guy who played ced) is actually going to be batman and ced was a hufflepuff
😩💀
@@animorph17 I once read a fanfiction where there is a conspiracy theory that all the "true" slytherins are actually in hufflepuff.
@@viv-hg2fs wat
Introducing massive social problems then sweeping them under the rug due to internalized exceptionalism is basically the only interesting thing the HP series does
Good video 😊
You overlooked one book fact about Snape though that many seem to miss.
Snape was not just a victim of bullying. He was said to have been just as bad as James by several people including Lupin and Dumbledore.
So while James was definitely a bullying asshole, Snape was that as well as early as in his school days.
He even said to Lily that he saw no problem in his friends using dark magic on other pupils.
Kinda salty that Dumbledore's line from A Very Potter Musical about the Hogwarts Houses wasn't included in this video: "Basically I've been putting anybody who looks like a good guy into Gryffindor, anybody who looks like a bad guy into Slytherin, and the other two can just go wherever the hell they want I don't care."
Hufflepuffs are particularly good finders!
What the hell is a Hufflepuff?
What the hell is a hufflepuff?!
Most likely because this video is made for "everyone" and not meta-meta-superfans like those for StarKid. Just sayin'.
If you look at his personality traits, Dumbledore is 100% a slytherin.
Except he's a Gryffindor. It falls back into the being put any character into any house depending on how look you at the character and which traits you focus on.
@@justas423 Yeah, canonically he is a Gryffindor but my point is that Rowling puts her characters into the wrong houses. It's like Hagrid being a Gryffindor despite the fact that he is clearly a Hufflepuff. You're right about everyone having a little bit of every house in them but some traits are more dominant than others. How you act is the true testament to who you are and what your true values are - Dumbledore's actions put him in Slytherin.
@@justas423 That was a very Hufflepuff thing to say.
@@InsidiousJazz 100% even young Dumbledore, they always mention how he was ambitious and was best buds with Grindelwald -- who was also ambitious, to the extent of being a bad guy of course, it's just that part way through he changed his mind for his sister and also managed to see that power isn't everything.
But the man still chased power, even if it was for the greater good, he was calculating and ambitious.
The sorting hat said in the first book that Slytherins will "do anything to get their way". Dumbledore used Harry and took advantage/manipulated Snape to help him. He was headmaster and was known as one of the most powerful wizard's during Harry's young life(atleast until Voldy came back). Sounds like Slytherin to me
@@emilycanfield2634 dang now that I think about it, it would've been super cool to have Dumbledore, the man Harry looked up to the most, be a Slytherin.
I wish she'd make more videos. These are such solid analysis'.
So I was rereading the final book to remember what they were talking about with Slughorn returning with people from Hogsmeade, it’s on page 734.
Charlie and Slughorn come back with reinforcements but it’s actually the family members of the students who stayed, and shopkeepers from Hogsmeade. There is never any indication that any Slytherin came back to fight against Voldemort.
I actually like the idea of making Cedric a Slytherin. Make him smart and cunning, clearly the best choice to be in the tournament. He resents that Harry is in there as well, but he doesn't bully him, just writes him off, until Harry tells him about the Dragons for the first task. Harry does this against his better judement at the urging of Hagrid. After this we see him warm up to Harry some (although he hides it from other Slytherins) and we even see him help Harry later.
To make it up to the Hufflepuffs, we make Neville a Hufflepuff, with pretty much the exact same arc. Neville already comes across as a Hufflepuff for most of the books, so this makes sense. Then, it becomes even more significant when Neville, a Hufflepuff, pull a Gryffindor sword out of the hat and kill the snake. We see that the lines between the houses are more blurred than we thought and that any student is capable of certain traits (such as bravery).
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bro that second part was really good
damn go re-write the book this shit's amazing
EXACTLY
why did this paragraph give me chills please rewrite the book
Why don't muggle borns get a preliminary summer school before going to Hogwarts? The academic advantage magic born wizards would have in their first years at Hogwarts must be insane. Harry being overwhelmed by Snape's questions just shows how bad the wizarding educational system is.
Hogwarts really be expecting all muggle-born students to be like Hermione and catch up on years worth of knowledge on their own.
Muggleborn children (Or Muggle raised, I guess, since Harry isn't a Muggleborn and faces this problem at the Dursleys) cannot practice over the school holidays. Because that's illegal.
But the Wizard family ones can.
@@calemr Been a while since I read the series, and wow I forgot that detail. Magic born wizards not only get to practice magic but they also get the benefit of being surrounded by magical stuff and resources to learn from.
@@unigon794 And in a logical world (Or a better written one.) This could then be tied into some of the ideas of pure-blooded-ness. "Look how much better at magic we are than the mudbloods!"
Which has some serious parallels with real bigotry in America. Predominantly black schools getting underfunded, and then a couple of IQ points difference becomes a talking point by white supremacists, completely (possibly intentionally) ignoring the outside factors.
I try not to level too much criticism at the school system in HP not being perfect since it is a reflection of our own, imperfect one. A book where a bunch of kids go to a perfect school where every problem is solved ahead of time and things go fine is also a pretty boring story.
Gryffindor: Courage, heroism, bravery
Ravenclaw: Intelligent, cunning
Slytherin: Fascism
Hufflepuff: They're here I guess.
"Emotional sleight of hand" is the *perfect* description for Snape's death and subsequent attempt at a redemption story
ah yes, the four hogwarts houses
protagonists
villains
nerds
oh there’s a fourth one there too
The fourth one is the afterthought house.
The particularly good finders
My inner Hufflepuff was damaged by this........
@@robertgronewold3326 Hey at least the cool Hufflepuff went on to be the best adult actor out of all the child actors.
@@Horatio787 ,,,,,edward cullen?/)3$2&/
Gryffindor: the brave
Raven claw: the smart
Slytherins: the racists
Hufflepuffs: whoever didn’t make the cut for the first 3 houses
Hufflepuff are supposedly the hardworking ones. How they aren't the ones constantly winning the house cup is beyond me, actually.
@@sleepysera Same reason there isn't respect for people with 'mundane' jobs like housewife/husband or janitors. Society doesn't pay attention to the cogs that keep everything running, they pay attention to the people who do the spotlight-grabbing things.
@@sleepysera It's actually fun to think about why each house wants "the best grades" or as much points as possible for the house cup.
1. Ravenclaws - don't actually really care that much, use exams and earning housepoints as a way to test themselves if they're right, kinda self-centered
2. Slytherins - see ahead, want to have a good future, want to build a good image for themselves and show they excel in the things they're good at, to make good relationships with teachers, want their house to win so they can say "I came from the best house"
3. Gryffindors - wanting to prove they're good at something, treat earning points like it's a hockey game, a need to beat someone else, "omg we cant let slytherins win f them" "f yeah go ravenclaws, beat those slytherins!"
4. Hufflepuffs - want to uphold the values of their house, make others proud, treat it not so much as a game but a chance to grow, wanting to do the right thing and work hard for it
@@tilaNmanx This makes sense actually, and why it always seems to come down to Gryffindor and Slytherin. They're more competitive, whereas Ravenclaws and Hufflepuff treat it as a measure of self-improvement. I like how you think!
As a hufflepuff this is accurate. Im not book smart, I'm a coward, I'm big well rounded lil baby. 🥺🥺
Rowling wrote fiction the way Bethesda makes games.
For the uninitiated: needing a dedicated fandom to fix it for them.
Also, I find two tropes interesting when related to Slytherin: the Villain Ball, and the Establishing Character Moment.
The former is when a character, in spite of logic, reason, or their previously established character, decides to do something villainous and usually also stupid (related is the idiot ball, where a character might do something uncharacteristically stupid in general).
The Slytherbois seem to be holding on to said villain ball throughout most of the series in general, and Order of the Phoenix specifically. They're not characters with goals and aspirations, they're card-board goons on the Bad Side(TM).
The Establishing Character Moment is exactly what it sounds like: a character makes their debut and uses that scene to set a precendent for all their further appearances. When done correctly, it makes them instantly memorable (Jack Sparrow) or sets up their character arc very well (Prince Zuko). When done poorly, it taints the character for all of time, as you describe with Snape.
A third trope also applies to the houses: the Planet of Hats. This is when a group of people have an associated stereotype, with all members being defined by this stereotype and having no relevant characteristics outside of it. It's a symptom of weak writing when you don't flesh out different factions, cultures, or other collections of peoples. Sure, patterns exist, but every group is comprised of multiple individuals, and when they have one defining trait between them, they're just a bunch of one-dimensional props, not characters.
Finally, your frustration at the lack of systemic reform is quite justified. UA-camr Shaun has a video in which he describes the issue, which boils down to: Rowling's own political views infest her writing. Said views boil down to the idea that society isn't inherently broken, but only has flaws on individual level. The way he puts it when talking about house elves: "the solution isn't to abolish slavery, it's to be a nicer slave-owner."
Her problem is basically that she's not as smart as she thinks she is. She (probably by accident) created a fascinating world (don't check the math) which is systemically broken. The institutional racism against non-wizard, sapient creatures (kobolds, centaurs, house elves) and the demonstrable flaws in the houses system are two examples of her world being flawed to the bone. But because of her views, her setting can't go through a character arc where these issues are properly addressed.
They have another thing in common: Fans doing way better with story and fixing the problem
Hey Quinn, I stumbled across this video a couple of months back and then went on to watch your Malfoy video. It has triggered a couple of months of discovering fan-theories and fan-fiction and it has honestly been... healing?! Its hard to describe but I loved the series growing up, read it at least a dozen times, and then I went through the rotting phase when I started to see the issues with it. The "rot" was probably a stand-in for some disillusionment with some real world things. Your playful and funny engagement with HPs flaws got me into a much healthier mindset of figuring out what the story should have been and why thats so important to me... again, stand-ins ;)
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks. I noticed you havent published anything in a while and I hope thats for nice reasons, but I really appreciate what you have put out!
Rowling literally wrote Snape as Neville's worst fear before trying to tell us he is actually a good guy. Think about that. A kid who has to live with his grandma because both of his parents are in a mental hospital because they were tortured by magic nazis before he even turned 1 year old thinks his worst worst fear is a teacher who we're supposed to believe is secretly a good person
To be fair, Neville's second worst fear would have been his own grandmother and Hermione's boggart was Professor McGonagall.
But yeah, Snape wasn't always good. I mean he was good and innocent as a child (unlike Tom Riddle), confused and corrupted as a teenager, mean and cruel as an adult, yet ended up dying selflessly and for the sake of good. Snape is like a sandwich, the bread's great but what's in between isn't too good
I've always thought she was originally going to make Snape a villain and reveal that he'd been a loyal Death Eater spying on Dumbledore for Voldemort all along then changed her mind and wrote in his obsessive lust for Lily that Rowling portrayed as love and used the cliche "bullied at school" backstory to get the character easy sympathy from teen fangirls. Shippers are naive and think abuse makes people do horrible things and justifies them doing them. It doesn't.
@@Xehanort10 I can see that, but we all know Rowling, she swears on her life that everything she ever wrote was somehow meticulously planned decades ahead, so we'll never get confirmation of it
@@aceash459 I think McGonagall being Hermione's boggart is more of a shame thing, like the whole point was McGonagall failing her, so I kinda assumed she looked up to and respected McGonagall and was terrified of disappointing her....along with the fact that she was already insane about always having good grades
@@coolghoul8515 Yeah, Hermione was afraid of failure and that was the Boggart's only way to represent such an abstract concept.
I once heard an interesting theory that Slytherin is so full of bigotry because most well-adjusted kids go under the hat thinking, "anything but Slytherin," and end up in other houses despite embodying Slytherin virtues. Assuming that the Sorting Hat tries to maintain a balanced number of students in each house, this forces it to fill out the ranks of Slytherin according to the trait of "anyone who isn't repelled by blood purity" rather than any actual virtue considered Slytherin. In effect, talentless, low-cunning bullies get swept into there (Crabbe, Goyle, Pansy Parkinson, etc) and anyone well-intentioned but ignorant who gets caught up in it are doomed to be surrounded by bigotry and spite, which they will likely acclimate to and become hateful themselves. It's essentially a vicious cycle which Slytherin itself propagates through its own ill reputation.
I've heard that before, but the trouble is that surely many of the students who don't know to say "not Slytherin" would be from muggle families, so they'd be much less likely to be susceptible to blood supremacy ideas, or welcome in explicitly supremacist spaces.
@@CatHasOpinions734 True, so for the theory to float I suppose you'd have to assume the Sorting Hat is aware that Slytherin is hostile to Muggle-borns (and sorts them out accordingly). That or most Muggle-borns learn before the train that Slytherin is pretty shady, like Harry did (which can't be that hard to intuit). It is bizarre that the Sorting Hat would continue to comply with Salazar Slytherin's request to keep Muggle-borns out of his house (which seems to contradict its own spoken values of cooperation and unity), so I'm inclined to think there's some merit to the theory here.
But what about Sirius? I think he wanted to Slytherin at the beginning too?
@@DeathKitta no, he changed his mind on the train after talking to James
Very true, and I think a lot of Slytherin is mostly occupied by legacy placements; the Blacks, Malfoys, Lestranges among others were all from ancient pureblooded, elite families, who in turn would have tried to make their house as exclusionary as possible to give themselves an air of superiority for making the cut to be part of such a "prestigious" house.
Your Harry Potter topic video essays are some of the best that I've ever seen. I love this series, flaws and all. Hope you are well!
It's kinda funn how they managed to get dozens of pure evil 11 years-old every year
"Good Slytherins are almost non-existent until you get to the Cursed Child stage play. They are largely hypothetical fandom creations."
Like the Cursed Child stage play.
FUCK THE CURSED CHILD STAGE PLAY! CURSED CHILD IS A DISGUSTING ABOMINATION THAT SHOULD NEVER BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME BREATH AS HARRY POTTER!!!
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Holy shit is it really so bad? I have never seen it, what did Rowling do now?
@@ericamcqueen5607 Rowling didn’t write it. She just gave it the go ahead. The play was written by someone else and completely butchered the characters. Turned Hermione dumb, turned Harry into an asshole, over use of time turner and Voldemort had a kid. 🤮
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme
Okay, two things:
Didn't they destroy all time turners in book 5?
Why does Voldi have a kid? He wanted to live forever, it's not like he needed a heir. I'm sure he would have seen him as a possible danger source. Who was the mother anyways?
@@ericamcqueen5607 exactly? Amazing everything you said was correct. Except the part about good slytherins being almost non existent. Who do you think the mother was? Who’s the only death eater you know that’s a chick?
Remember when characters like Slughorn proved that Slytherins are not inherently bad? Those were the days....
J.K. probably thinks Trans people are only Slytherins
@@jakespacepiratee3740 You think gender benders are allowed at Hogwarts? Ha! She probably imagined that wizard blood only manifests in the cissiest of hets.
@Ariston Garza reasons why trans people felt betrayed by rowling
voldemort turned slytherin into a recruiting house
slytherin are generally called cunning and ambitious
if your cunning and ambitious would you openly join a group thats opposed by every person you live with
Not *inherently* but Slughorn is still a manipulative egotistical ass.
Huh. JK was bullied by posh kids. Now she’s a posh adult bullying vulnerable people.
She became the thing she hated