WoW is full of grown boys. These people have literal identities on WoW that they attach ego to. It’s more of a testament to how addictive WoW is. On the release of Fresh, I knew people who didn’t sleep for days and neglected family, career, and relationships to play a video game.
Lotta yapping but i hear you. Most people that play wow in general are clinging on to the bottom of the world. Break the cycle - r14 in game with 100 parses in my 20s, working on irl rank 14 in my early 30s, hitting gym, helping my family, doing what i need to do as a man. I run my own guilds, have worked on helping new players learn the game each fresh, and am generally a serial community/guild builder. I may disappear like dad going to get the milk, but i come back and am welcomed by those people i helped put together in the first place. Good video, and gl with ur guild!
Based. It seems like you're real af. Wish more people had a little bit of forethought. I wish more people thought about how to optimize their life so they don't end up being miserable in a decade. Nobody thinks about how money and time relates to happiness. They just act based on instincts, which are oftentimes wrong. Do YOu know that frontal lobe that you got there in your head? It was an evolutinary gift to you so you can override your instincts, and so you can think about future. Anyway...don't even get me started. Great video, you're a great storyteller, keep it up bro
Mf got lucky with his career and wow relationships and now thinks his way of living life is better. I mean, you do you and its fair but this just shows you have no clue what the world around you is like, and i mean, the rest of the world.
@@JakeFromTreeyea you did a lot of effort We all do Majority of us has masters in some kind of engineering, mechanical for me What makes you different than us is exactly that, accident and luck nothing more nothing less Youll have to work more on your self awerness and get down of your high horse
@@JakeFromTree The world is deterministic. I have more resources and free time than most people but it's not because I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and willed my way to getting where I am. A combination of our genetics and experiences culminate to what we become. You are not actually in the driver's seat, but it helps to pretend you are sometimes.
We are temporal beings doomed to an end at a time not known to us, what is wrong with living in the present? Enjoy yourself while you're young, why should you live to please a future you who does not yet exist and might never exist
@@M.to.the.L It's almost like people who constantly spend more than they earn are being "kept down by the Man" or something. Signed, _A former poor person_
Just graduated from college and in the job hunt trenches. Though I don't really play wow much these days anymore, I stumbled on your channel and your videos. I fuck with everything you're about - career, life, wow. Keep it up, I love the videos.
On a real note. Finished college, got a good job. Not great, but good. Spent years studying everyday and I finally get a break off studying so intense. Which feels great but honestly I need to keep this up my knowledge my whole career, or at least until I'm 55 and have a big chunk of money. Meanwhile I see some people I used to know stagnate from high school and it's really sad. If you got nothing going on by 21-25 join the military or go into the trades because it doesn't get better and I have seen how desperate those people get. Do better and always keep working.
Its not a big group of people, but ive been playing wow (insofar as at any given time I'm playing, there have been many years long breaks in there) and other games with the same dudes i met when i completely stumbled my way into a guild with (14 years old in early 05, joined random guild, that random guild merged with another guild to do mc/ony). Its wild to have shared gaming and growing up from teenagers to mid to late 30s with the same 5-10 dudes. And we dont hate each other. Many have met irl from time to time.
Any pointers how to land a job at one of those big companies? Gonna finish my Masters in Data Science/Business IT this year and I have rather ambitious goals that need money.
paycheck to paycheck friendships... I never thought about it, but thats a pretty good way to think about the current gaming landsscape as a whole, in terms of playing multiplayer games. every single game/ dungeon (in wow context) is just rnadom people, there is no real connection a lot of the time and it makes it easy to be mean. but ive had the same handful of people in retail wow for the past 7-8 years and its pretty sweet because every time i come back from my little break, they are there and we can just jump back into it. the lesson here though, is sustainability. you should be striving to have a sustainable lifestyle, no matter what it is.
Counterpoint: I've made great friends (both in-game and out-of-game) from PUGs and random encounters. Every PUG is just an introduction. Relationships are like plants: they die without regular cultivation and care.
I did my tour of duty from classic vanilla to wrath to check WoW off my bucket list. I quit when original Naxx came out in 2006 because by then I had part time work to pay for schooling so I didn't go into student loan debt and no longer had time to raid. I popped back in for casual during TBC's launch and again when Sunwell came out for a couple months apiece. I played for the first two months of original Wrath too, but simply didn't have the time to grind and get any value out of the game. I tried SoD and even a month of the anniversary version, but I simply didn't have the patience to level and didn't have friends to play with since they keep going with retail or Cata. I got sick and tired of getting pushed around by roving bands of people on the other faction in teams of 2 or 3 once I hit level 35+ just made me give up. I'm still curious about the state of the game, and I see people stick with it despite all the shit they have to put up with, but I'm glad that the game seems to have lost its grip on me. Because classic WoW's enjoyment hinges entirely on your ability to find the right people to play with. It's that social aspect of the game which is paramount. You simply cannot get the maximum enjoyment out of the game by going at it alone, and constantly running into degenerates makes it a total net loss of your limited hours of your life.
Not all software engineers are bad, but I have heard a lot of people bad mouth their wives etc. Must be a miserable life lol. A lot of the younger (25-35 y/o) SWEs I know are pretty good with their money overall. Its true that lifestyle creep does come up, even for people like myself. Its ok as long as you can acknowledge that and make sure that we make good long-term decisions. I know that I won't be coding forever, so sometime in my 30s I'd like to start my own business doing something. Definitely agree that it is the only way to live a life you want to live
Oh lmao everyone in guild has gm as rank. I only have warriors. Do you remember anything about the chars name? EDIT: dont wanna give the impression ill do something with the name, but if i get a few complaints about someone ill talk to them
Your comments on drug use hits so hard. The other points that I think you should have expanded on was helping people who don't appreciate you. I tanked for a guild like mad on a private server called Kronos. They badmouthed me constantly behind my back because I ran a private MC for all the alts on the server to farm TF. Result? "Oh you got TF first! How dare you!" Then they expected me to help another warrior get TF. I just left them for another guild that was European and they treated me like a human while having friendly chats. They didn't even see the TF, they saw a person that puts in work because he is trying to be his best self to help others. They, no shot, invited me because I ran a bunch of strath live runs without reserving orbs or asking for gold, just because I liked to tank.
Wouldn't you be helping other guildies get TF just in the course of tanking for them? Were you using your raid CD on your main specifically to farm for TF?
@@mrtwilight777 No, it was a second warrior that was on the side. I ran 4 warriors since I'm a mathematician/computer scientist by trade so I like playing with probability and statistics. I also had a great server reputation as my MC pugs came to be known as chill affairs that evolved into BWL pugs as well in which I enforced a STRICT alt only policy. This helped deepen inter-guild cooperation as well.
@@Matt-tg3vu Ah ok. I was thinking maybe blowing your raid CD on something specifically for yourself might have been the problem. I guess you should take it as a point of pride that everyone was jelly of your big stick :p
@@mrtwilight777 Two big sticks. I got two warriors decked out. I put one of them in the official raids and said it wasn't fair that I could generate more TPS than the MT. That was the last straw, I left shortly thereafter due to having better relations with literally every other guild on the server. Also, I'm not proud if people are jelly of me, I'm here to accomplish teamwork oriented goals. No one is "the chosen one" of "the champion" like they keep saying in retail.
I joined a pretty serious horde guild on NS, healed SO many 5 mans and UBRS when I didn't need any gear and tbh would have rathered been offline but wanted to help. After week two raids I realized it just wasn't fun for me anymore so I quit and the only person who said bye or thanks was the GM 😂 I even told RL before we got to domo, in case eye dropped. So glad I left after that tbh
@ yeah man. And you are so right that it happens in the workplace too. It's like people put on these facades in order to "get ahead" when if they just acted the same but with sincerity they would be so much happier
same shit happened to me after boosting my guildies for free on my mage for i dont even know how many hours for straight up weeks and it was the biggest waste of time ever, everyone wanted boosting but noone and i mean NOONE actually gave a fuck after the fact, never ever EVER work for free, trusting random people on the internet to return the favor is stupid as fuck, no matter what jake says about it, sorry jake
Consider this training wheels for a potential future lay off. I was at my company for 18 years and most of the people that were there and knew me ghosted me. It really puts things in perspective. Relationships are as real as you make it, but you need parity to thrive.
r/classicwow is full of loud idiots who don’t play the game. Would love to join your guild if I was ally- maybe in zg patch I’ll roll a warrior to be on the bench for 40 mans as needed
lol the irony. Complaining about people complaining all the time then you spend eleven and a half minutes bitching about other people. Dude, just do your own thing. Yes, some people suck. They always have. Nothing has really changed except technology. First you say people are all the same and then you say you need to find your people. Which is it then? The frustration you feel is because you expect everyone to view the world the way you do, and you'll drive yourself fucking crazy doing that. Just be my man. Not every path is the same for every. Find your tribe and forget about the rest. And drop the judgmental attitude. Its cringe. Great vid BTW. I actually agree with most things you say. Just don't give yourself an aneurism.
I hit r14 and top 10 horde guild during covid, then became a software engineer. Youre playing my game now, Suck it A bunch of top wow 0.01%rs are well off irl, but yes classic fresh over and over is a mental illness.
"the popular opinion in politics" Is just saying "the people you disagree with politically" in different words. I don't see the big deal - in real life and in WoW people can tell who is serious, and who is not. Then the players sort themselves using guilds - like cliques in real life. I see the issue that the number of bad players is rising more than the number of good players, but that is because of the popularity of gaming - not WoWs created problem.
I guess more specifically Im saying people under the age of 40 generally dont like fox news or cnn. Most people who watch these videos are 25-35. So i think their lived experience is seeing media they generally don't agree with, regardless of political affiliation.
@@JakeFromTree I see what you are saying. They might agree on principal but they disagree with how older people speak about/treat the concepts and topics, so they don't respect that style. More of an "ok boomer" type thing lol
Nah there are straight up just some bad opinions out there, many of them political, and unfortunately many of them are serious. Apparently spamming Facebook isn't enough for some people. I have all of my global channels quarantined into their own tab, which is a shame.
@@Iconcupiscence you said "it's just people disagreeing politically" and I think that's wrong. While that does happen, some people have objectively bad opinions that they like to spam in global channels.
Based video honestly. Getting rid of genuinely toxic people from your life is a huge weight removed.
0:40 if you are wondering why this guy gives you the creeps even though you don't necessarily disagree with most of what he is saying.
Yea sounds like psycho
9:55 it's fucking sad to see a guy standing so close to the deeprun tram pay 5g for a port to IF
40 seconds in and I can already tell I'm in for a schizo rant. Neato
WoW is full of grown boys. These people have literal identities on WoW that they attach ego to. It’s more of a testament to how addictive WoW is. On the release of Fresh, I knew people who didn’t sleep for days and neglected family, career, and relationships to play a video game.
You still wouldn't be able to compete even if you were given time
@@WoWUndad Nor would I really care to. What a terrible way to live life.
Sales jobs feel so scummy, relatable.
Lotta yapping but i hear you. Most people that play wow in general are clinging on to the bottom of the world. Break the cycle - r14 in game with 100 parses in my 20s, working on irl rank 14 in my early 30s, hitting gym, helping my family, doing what i need to do as a man.
I run my own guilds, have worked on helping new players learn the game each fresh, and am generally a serial community/guild builder. I may disappear like dad going to get the milk, but i come back and am welcomed by those people i helped put together in the first place.
Good video, and gl with ur guild!
great video
jakefromtree would never let you in his guild because ur feral don't listen to this dood :D. u r a meme spec :D
Based. It seems like you're real af.
Wish more people had a little bit of forethought.
I wish more people thought about how to optimize their life so they don't end up being miserable in a decade.
Nobody thinks about how money and time relates to happiness.
They just act based on instincts, which are oftentimes wrong.
Do YOu know that frontal lobe that you got there in your head?
It was an evolutinary gift to you so you can override your instincts, and so you can think about future.
Anyway...don't even get me started.
Great video, you're a great storyteller, keep it up bro
Thanks bro, glad this showed up on my suggestions.
Mf got lucky with his career and wow relationships and now thinks his way of living life is better.
I mean, you do you and its fair but this just shows you have no clue what the world around you is like, and i mean, the rest of the world.
I didnt accidentally earn a lot or make a guild. Get good at math and make money GG
@@JakeFromTreeyea you did a lot of effort
We all do
Majority of us has masters in some kind of engineering, mechanical for me
What makes you different than us is exactly that, accident and luck nothing more nothing less
Youll have to work more on your self awerness and get down of your high horse
Bro still rents he didn't get that lucky lol
@@JakeFromTree The world is deterministic. I have more resources and free time than most people but it's not because I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and willed my way to getting where I am. A combination of our genetics and experiences culminate to what we become. You are not actually in the driver's seat, but it helps to pretend you are sometimes.
based video
The Bible talks about us using our talents and you can see that today, no one even talks about that.
Yeh I remember when Jesus said “fuck college go to a trade school”
We are temporal beings doomed to an end at a time not known to us, what is wrong with living in the present? Enjoy yourself while you're young, why should you live to please a future you who does not yet exist and might never exist
Poor people with high incomes don't have an income problem. They have a spending and personal responsibility problem.
The vast majority of poor people have a spending (and time management) problem.
gotta start expanding this to the "middle class" too. Most people are several tens of thousands in debt outside of their residence.
@@M.to.the.L It's almost like people who constantly spend more than they earn are being "kept down by the Man" or something.
Signed, _A former poor person_
Just graduated from college and in the job hunt trenches. Though I don't really play wow much these days anymore, I stumbled on your channel and your videos. I fuck with everything you're about - career, life, wow. Keep it up, I love the videos.
hmu if u wanna talk about career stuff. nbd if u dont wanna play wow. its fun to talk about
On a real note. Finished college, got a good job. Not great, but good. Spent years studying everyday and I finally get a break off studying so intense. Which feels great but honestly I need to keep this up my knowledge my whole career, or at least until I'm 55 and have a big chunk of money. Meanwhile I see some people I used to know stagnate from high school and it's really sad. If you got nothing going on by 21-25 join the military or go into the trades because it doesn't get better and I have seen how desperate those people get. Do better and always keep working.
Its not a big group of people, but ive been playing wow (insofar as at any given time I'm playing, there have been many years long breaks in there) and other games with the same dudes i met when i completely stumbled my way into a guild with (14 years old in early 05, joined random guild, that random guild merged with another guild to do mc/ony).
Its wild to have shared gaming and growing up from teenagers to mid to late 30s with the same 5-10 dudes. And we dont hate each other. Many have met irl from time to time.
Great one mate!
enlighting as a 3rd year cs student who feels a bit lost
Any pointers how to land a job at one of those big companies? Gonna finish my Masters in Data Science/Business IT this year and I have rather ambitious goals that need money.
DM me in discord we can talk about it as much as you want
quit my job in april and been so bored, i could live like a 24/7 NEET so maybe ill get into classic 🤣
hmu in discord if u wanna join the guild ;) but dont do the neet stuff if its not sustainable LOL
@@JakeFromTree retired early i guess, fk working :-) played vanilla thru nax but havent since
You should make a podcast.
stop yelling at me QQ
paycheck to paycheck friendships...
I never thought about it, but thats a pretty good way to think about the current gaming landsscape as a whole, in terms of playing multiplayer games.
every single game/ dungeon (in wow context) is just rnadom people, there is no real connection a lot of the time and it makes it easy to be mean.
but ive had the same handful of people in retail wow for the past 7-8 years and its pretty sweet because every time i come back from my little break, they are there and we can just jump back into it.
the lesson here though, is sustainability. you should be striving to have a sustainable lifestyle, no matter what it is.
Counterpoint: I've made great friends (both in-game and out-of-game) from PUGs and random encounters. Every PUG is just an introduction. Relationships are like plants: they die without regular cultivation and care.
stoned 24/7
i like this
I did my tour of duty from classic vanilla to wrath to check WoW off my bucket list. I quit when original Naxx came out in 2006 because by then I had part time work to pay for schooling so I didn't go into student loan debt and no longer had time to raid. I popped back in for casual during TBC's launch and again when Sunwell came out for a couple months apiece. I played for the first two months of original Wrath too, but simply didn't have the time to grind and get any value out of the game. I tried SoD and even a month of the anniversary version, but I simply didn't have the patience to level and didn't have friends to play with since they keep going with retail or Cata. I got sick and tired of getting pushed around by roving bands of people on the other faction in teams of 2 or 3 once I hit level 35+ just made me give up.
I'm still curious about the state of the game, and I see people stick with it despite all the shit they have to put up with, but I'm glad that the game seems to have lost its grip on me. Because classic WoW's enjoyment hinges entirely on your ability to find the right people to play with. It's that social aspect of the game which is paramount. You simply cannot get the maximum enjoyment out of the game by going at it alone, and constantly running into degenerates makes it a total net loss of your limited hours of your life.
Hit me up if you ever wanna ruin your life with wow again
KEK what a recruitment video🤣
Not all software engineers are bad, but I have heard a lot of people bad mouth their wives etc. Must be a miserable life lol.
A lot of the younger (25-35 y/o) SWEs I know are pretty good with their money overall. Its true that lifestyle creep does come up, even for people like myself. Its ok as long as you can acknowledge that and make sure that we make good long-term decisions.
I know that I won't be coding forever, so sometime in my 30s I'd like to start my own business doing something. Definitely agree that it is the only way to live a life you want to live
SWE skills make solving the non sales related problems in a business so much easier.
Another banger
based???
ur on stims or somthing, most ppl dont have the energy to do all that
I had a lot of respect for you until you joined my Arena/Anger/Golem run on your warlock and quit just because your loot didn’t drop from the ogre.
Oh lmao everyone in guild has gm as rank. I only have warriors. Do you remember anything about the chars name?
EDIT: dont wanna give the impression ill do something with the name, but if i get a few complaints about someone ill talk to them
Your comments on drug use hits so hard. The other points that I think you should have expanded on was helping people who don't appreciate you. I tanked for a guild like mad on a private server called Kronos. They badmouthed me constantly behind my back because I ran a private MC for all the alts on the server to farm TF. Result? "Oh you got TF first! How dare you!" Then they expected me to help another warrior get TF. I just left them for another guild that was European and they treated me like a human while having friendly chats. They didn't even see the TF, they saw a person that puts in work because he is trying to be his best self to help others. They, no shot, invited me because I ran a bunch of strath live runs without reserving orbs or asking for gold, just because I liked to tank.
Wouldn't you be helping other guildies get TF just in the course of tanking for them? Were you using your raid CD on your main specifically to farm for TF?
@@mrtwilight777 No, it was a second warrior that was on the side. I ran 4 warriors since I'm a mathematician/computer scientist by trade so I like playing with probability and statistics. I also had a great server reputation as my MC pugs came to be known as chill affairs that evolved into BWL pugs as well in which I enforced a STRICT alt only policy. This helped deepen inter-guild cooperation as well.
@@Matt-tg3vu Ah ok. I was thinking maybe blowing your raid CD on something specifically for yourself might have been the problem. I guess you should take it as a point of pride that everyone was jelly of your big stick :p
@@mrtwilight777 Two big sticks. I got two warriors decked out. I put one of them in the official raids and said it wasn't fair that I could generate more TPS than the MT. That was the last straw, I left shortly thereafter due to having better relations with literally every other guild on the server. Also, I'm not proud if people are jelly of me, I'm here to accomplish teamwork oriented goals. No one is "the chosen one" of "the champion" like they keep saying in retail.
I joined a pretty serious horde guild on NS, healed SO many 5 mans and UBRS when I didn't need any gear and tbh would have rathered been offline but wanted to help. After week two raids I realized it just wasn't fun for me anymore so I quit and the only person who said bye or thanks was the GM 😂 I even told RL before we got to domo, in case eye dropped. So glad I left after that tbh
Actually the best was when the lock for whom I mind vision fished Skul until he got wand didn't even say thanks 🥲
@@scott.the.sailor That shit is infuriating. Sucks how its so common too
@ yeah man. And you are so right that it happens in the workplace too. It's like people put on these facades in order to "get ahead" when if they just acted the same but with sincerity they would be so much happier
same shit happened to me after boosting my guildies for free on my mage for i dont even know how many hours for straight up weeks and it was the biggest waste of time ever, everyone wanted boosting but noone and i mean NOONE actually gave a fuck after the fact, never ever EVER work for free, trusting random people on the internet to return the favor is stupid as fuck, no matter what jake says about it, sorry jake
Consider this training wheels for a potential future lay off. I was at my company for 18 years and most of the people that were there and knew me ghosted me. It really puts things in perspective. Relationships are as real as you make it, but you need parity to thrive.
r/classicwow is full of loud idiots who don’t play the game. Would love to join your guild if I was ally- maybe in zg patch I’ll roll a warrior to be on the bench for 40 mans as needed
hmu in discord
Now that is you make a video 👏
lol the irony. Complaining about people complaining all the time then you spend eleven and a half minutes bitching about other people. Dude, just do your own thing. Yes, some people suck. They always have. Nothing has really changed except technology. First you say people are all the same and then you say you need to find your people. Which is it then? The frustration you feel is because you expect everyone to view the world the way you do, and you'll drive yourself fucking crazy doing that. Just be my man. Not every path is the same for every. Find your tribe and forget about the rest. And drop the judgmental attitude. Its cringe.
Great vid BTW. I actually agree with most things you say. Just don't give yourself an aneurism.
trueeeeee
Are you getting good ROI on marketing for salons? Can I send you a message to you on discord about it?
Yeah i love talking about it hmu
Tired of SR runs, I want to find an LC guild but it's not that easy, especially as a rogue... So...
I hit r14 and top 10 horde guild during covid, then became a software engineer. Youre playing my game now, Suck it
A bunch of top wow 0.01%rs are well off irl, but yes classic fresh over and over is a mental illness.
"the popular opinion in politics" Is just saying "the people you disagree with politically" in different words. I don't see the big deal - in real life and in WoW people can tell who is serious, and who is not. Then the players sort themselves using guilds - like cliques in real life. I see the issue that the number of bad players is rising more than the number of good players, but that is because of the popularity of gaming - not WoWs created problem.
I guess more specifically Im saying people under the age of 40 generally dont like fox news or cnn. Most people who watch these videos are 25-35. So i think their lived experience is seeing media they generally don't agree with, regardless of political affiliation.
@@JakeFromTree I see what you are saying. They might agree on principal but they disagree with how older people speak about/treat the concepts and topics, so they don't respect that style. More of an "ok boomer" type thing lol
Nah there are straight up just some bad opinions out there, many of them political, and unfortunately many of them are serious. Apparently spamming Facebook isn't enough for some people. I have all of my global channels quarantined into their own tab, which is a shame.
@@mrtwilight777 what does that have to do with what I said
@@Iconcupiscence you said "it's just people disagreeing politically" and I think that's wrong. While that does happen, some people have objectively bad opinions that they like to spam in global channels.