Andrew was faithful, Peter from the comics is an awkward, loner that can stand up to Flash and when he got the spider bite, he used his powers for selfish gain and uncle ben dies and then he catches the criminal, then he becomes spider-man.
@@saryphx problem with Tobey’s iteration of the character (and Tom’s) is that his Peter Parker is portrayed as a definitive “good guy” from the get go. Peter in the source material was never the nice, nerdy, awkward geek he’s shown to be in most media. He was kind of a selfish, ass hole loner who would hurt ppl who wronged him if he had the power to. Those are the same traits y’all hate on Andrew for
I personally like Tom Holland's version of Spiderman and I think he does a good job tbh, the way Peter is written sometimes in the MCU isn't up to him.
It feels like peter and even may didnt care about ben as the seem in far from home where may asks peter where his suit case is then saying some thing like “where is your suit case oh it blew up didnt it” and that suit case was bens...
Because he was a white man. And Disney intends to discriminate white men in favor of the new MSHEU. It's all over their new stuff. And no one can say otherwise. If they do they're stupid
@@erikkemeey9144 the suitcase is never explicitly stated to be Ben’s. Just because it has the initials doesn’t mean anything unless the film explicitly states it is Ben’s. You can’t use knowledge from outside source material to justify stuff in a movie. There is no mention of it being Ben’s in the movie. As far as the audience is aware the letters BFP on the suitcase could be the brand of suitcase or the name of the suitcase company that mass produces it. Once again, just because you know in the comics that Peter has an Uncle named Ben doesn’t mean it is the case for the MCU because they haven’t explicitly confirmed he exists. And the quote from Peter in Homecoming about “Everything May’s been through” doesn’t count because he never elaborates further. For all we know, she could’ve lost her job, her sister could’ve died, their previous home may have burned down, she may have recently been diagnosed with a disease that is very unlikely to survive, she may have recently gotten divorced, she may have failed at a dream she wanted to accomplish; because Peter refuses to elaborate we can’t know for certain. Once again, you can’t use your knowledge of these comic characters in other mediums to justify stuff in your argument for a movie.
All the things wrong with MCU spider-man really bother me. I know it shouldn't, but damn...if there's one character you can do correctly it's Spider-Man
I'm starting to think that whoever responsible at Disney for Spider-Man related media just hated the fact that it's not owned by them and deliberately made character worse, either out of vitriolic spite, or to ruin character enough so that it can be easily bought out.
The Marc Webb movies were awesome too! I agree the Raimi ones are the best.....although the portrayal of Peter Parker as unwilling mentor in Into the Spiderverse also was great. The only bad version of Spider-man is the MCU one. I do think Tom Holland COULD be a great Spider-man. It's the fault of the writing and directing, not the actor.
I think the best thing that shows why the MCU Spider-Man only feels like Spider-Man on the surface level is the episode where The Rhino is introduced in Spectacular Spider-Man. When Peter goes to Tombstone and he's offered to work under Tombstone with a huge salary in exchange for looking the other way whenever Tombstone says so. The brief hesitation or moment to remember that Peter looking the other way is what cost him Ben's life. In Far From Home Peter wants to drop his responsibilities to get with MJ. Tom Holland could have been the best Spider-Man we've ever gotten but the MCU is too afraid to tell a Spider-Man story and to let him be his own hero.
@Erik Kemeey Did you even read my original comment? I don't hate the MCU, but it cannot be denied that having Peter be so directly connected to the Avengers in every aspect of his character bogs down the most compelling parts of Spider-Man. No Way Home is where Spider-Man started to feel like Spider-Man and going forward it looks like Peter is set up to be the classic Spider-Man. I'm sorry but Peter not being able to go on a date with a girl he had no chemistry with is not a compelling consequence since he just forgave him right after. Aunt May shouldn't be okay with her only family going out and risking his life to the same crime that took her husband only a short time ago. I will say it again since you will ignore any point I'm making to diminish any criticism as just hate. I DO NOT hate Tom Holland or the MCU. I hate that they are squandering the huge amount of potential they have because they are shackled to the MCU model of story telling.
@Erik Kemeey I do not understand where this mindset of we can't expect MCU Spidey to meet or come close to the Raimi films. Here starving child enjoy this slop we scooped up from a pig farm, don't complain be glad you have food. You know it is because there are better Spider-Man movies and media that the MCU trilogy is being held to a higher standard. Tell me what is wrong with holding the most popular marvel character with a history of beloved and incredibly compelling movies and shows to the standard that has been set.
@Erik Kemeey Okay since you're just going to strawman what I'm saying you are showing you don't really want to hear what I have to say. In Far From Home it is literally in the movie that Peter was refusing to be Spider-Man because he wanted to hang out with and get with MJ. You cannot deny that. Nowhere in my original post did I ever say that MCU Spider-Man doesn't care about responsibility. What I said, and if you were engaging in this conversation honestly this is what you would have talking about, was and I quote " the MCU Spider-Man only feels like Spider-Man on the surface level". Why does Peter feel responsible to use his powers to help people. Because of Iron Man. Where is Peter's father figure the one who raised Peter to be the man he is. Ben Parker doesn't exist outside of references and vague allusions. Peter loses Ben's suitcase and he should be distraught that he lost something of the man who raised him. We don't need to see Ben Parker die again but the MCU shifts that role he played in Peter's life to Tony Stark. The fact Peter hears the " Great Power and Great Responsibility" line AFTER he's already been Spider-Man for a while speaks volumes. And please let Aunt May be old again, I love cookie baking wisdom spouting old lady May Parker.
@Erik Kemeey Spider-Man would never take breaks. It is a staple of the character that no matter what he is still being compelled to action by his call to responsibility.
Honestly the episode with Black Cat's dad Cements just how important that Uncle Ben was to Peter as a father figure. The entire time you can hear the malice in josh keaton's every line around the guy.
Literally how lol? Marc Webb and James Vanderbilt literally turned Peter Parker into a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding and re-told Spider-Man's entire origin less efficiently than Sam Raimi did with "Spider-Man" (2002) which was completely unnecessary when they could've just skipped the origin and simply acknowledged Uncle Ben's existence.
@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 Saying this as someone who was a kid at the time of the movies coming out, but Andrew's Peter has always been a thousand times more relatable thanks to these quirks. He also wasn't cool in-universe, he still got bullied pretty fucking bad, unlike MCU Peter. And unlike Tobey's Peter, TASM showed the angst that Peter has 70% of the time in the comics. The Sam Raimi movies made Peter a stereotype of what the character actually is.
I’m gonna make some major points as a Marvel Fan. •Disney and the MCU is holding Marvel back. •I miss when Carol Danvers was Ms.Marvel/Warbird and had curves, because I’m cultured. •Marvel needs to take notes from the animated justice League, and Batman Brave and the Bold, they have a lot underutilized characters like Wonder Man, Scorpion, Mad Man, Moonstone, etc. •Spider-Man Edge of Time > Loki and Endgame. •Lionsgate’s Next Avengers > Kate Bishop, Ironheart, Sylvie and Jane Foster. •Everyone else needs to talk about the animated Marvel stuff, especially the animated movies by Lionsgate. •Hulk Vs and Planet Hulk > MCU Thor, Hulk and Loki. •The MCU needs to stop with the comedic tone, no one likes a brown nose.
Nothing against humour, but the issue with MCU films in general is that it focuses way too much on humour & less on seriousness. Now days, a lot of entertainment doesn't know how to balance out humour & serious moments anymore. And it really hurts the viewer experiance. It's reasons like this why I go back watching older entertainment, because back then good writing was a lot of the times the main priority when it came to making entertainment for people. Heck, I personally prefer Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes over the large majority of the MCU films. Because EMH's actually cared & respected the original source material, while the MCU a lot of the times don't. And don't even get me started on how poorly the MCU handles it's villains.
@Asylum117, Agreed and to add to that. Wokeness has invaded the MCU to the point that Marvel is just releasing shit to please a certain group of people.
@year7high711, take a look at the 80s to 2000 and early 2010s stuff and then take a look at mid to late 2010s to now. There is a reason why people call movies, games, and shows from the end of the last decade to now woke
In civil war he says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you" Kinda nicely summarizes the Uncle Ben death origin if you ask me. Even if they are pussy footing around the subject, with that diaoluge and knowing the character's mythos generally; I don't think The Avengers were the SOLE reason he became Spider-Man.
A very valid point tbh, but I still just wish they hadn't involved The Avengers in Peter's story. He can be a part of them, that's cool and all, but there's still that overall vibe of Peter being a massive fanboy being a big fuel towards him being Spider-Man that bothers me
@@thelivingshtpost I personally believe Spider-Man should NEVER be involved with or even coexist with cosmic-level heroes and threats because it takes the "Friendly Neighborhood" out of Spider-Man and it obscures the webhead's supporting cast of civilian loved ones, who are supposed to be the important characters. Spidey's rogues' gallery consists mostly of super-powered or tech-enhanced common criminals, mad scientists turning themselves into monsters or murderers, super-strong or super-powered crime bosses, corrupt and ruthless corporate overlords, and a certain blowhard news publisher, all of which are more realistic threats that are closer to home than interdimensional demons, time-traveling tyrants, identity-stealing aliens, and all-powerful gods that can change reality. Spider-Man is about protecting the people, not saving the world. Why should Spidey have to fight Dr. Doom when he already has the Kingpin? Putting all these characters into one world overcomplicates all their stories by having them intertwine and forcing audiences to look into these crossovers just to get caught up, which is the main reason I don't read comic books for their abundant continuity. Why should I care about the Avengers and the Fantastic Four when I came to see Spider-Man? Besides, since when were they the people that mattered most to Peter Parker? Characters like Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson, Aunt May, Robbie Robertson, Harry Osborn, Mary Jane Watson, and most importantly, Uncle Ben are the people that motivate Peter Parker to be Spider-Man and protect New York, and they're constantly reduced to make room for other superheroes, especially with the MCU where they're nothing more than comic relief. Not that Spidey shouldn't have any supporting heroes, only street-level ones like he is: Daredevil, Iron Fist, Cloak and Dagger, Punisher, Luke Cage, White Tiger, and a handful of others who protect the friendly neighborhood rather than save the world. My problem is that with Marvel's characters, I like focusing on them individually rather than seeing them as part of a bigger picture, especially with Spider-Man since he's my all-time favorite. I don't mind seeing the Avengers taking on Kang the Conquerer, as long as Spider-Man has nothing to do with it or even live in their world at all. So basically, I want Marvel Universe divided so the Avengers and SHIELD have their own world, the X-Men have theirs, and Spider-Man and the Defenders have theirs.
@@JohnboyTheGamer no. Peter tried to join FF to earn money so he can pay for bills and to take care of his aunt May. That was the only reason he wanted to noin the group.
There would’ve been a perfect place to mention uncle Ben in NWH, when spidey is fighting mysterio, and beck says “if you were good enough, you could have saved him” and cuts to Tony’s grave, which should have been uncle Ben’s grave
Do you realize that Mysterio doesn't even know who Uncle Ben is? Why would he have included it in the illusion? what you say doesn't make any sense Lmao
You are wrong. Andrew is alot closer to the Peter Parker in the comics especially Steve ditkos. He was only a nerd in the sense that he liked books and was a loner but he was never a guy to stumble over his words or just let people bully him. He had a vengeful and edgier side. Always came back with witty remarks and was a smooth talker with ladies. Unlike Toby's portrayal which has him be the most timid guy ever, a man with little respect for himself and just a good kid with a good heart only to stay that way for all of the first movie. Toby had no edge at all. Tom is a different case. He is only Peter on a surface level. Eg suits and powers. Uncle Ben didn't play that much of a role as people think. It was all his realisation with the help of uncle ben in the comics compared to Toby's which shows him beit Spiderman because of him.
Saying this is blasphemous I was going to say a lot but just know your absolutely wrong. Toby is by far the edgiest. Granted, Raimi's script did a lot of the work. But Peter just casually talks to the love of his life like its nothing. Watches Ben's killer fall to his fate and doesn't bat an eyelash. Andrew forgets English half the time when Gwen was around. Toby wipes Flash and his buds second day as SpiderMan in front of everybody. Pays no rent and dancing through New York snapping. No f's given. Yea he has range and cries in almost all the movies but to say he's spineless pushover is crazy.
"Andrew is alot closer to the Peter Parker in the comics especially Steve ditkos." Can you please remind me where in the original comics by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, Peter Parker was a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding lol...?
@@Kalakeiko What *about* No Way Home? As cool as it was to tie Tom Holand's "Ben Parker" moment to the concept of the multiverse, it primarily built it off what came before made by others. And, it took 3 stand-alone movies before Tom's Spider-Man became good. In the first two films, it was just Iron Man Jr., not Spider-Man. I criticize what the writers did with Tom Holland's Spider-Man because I love Spider-Man, and some of us audience members know that Spider-Man can be truly incredible, heartfelt, and heartbreaking, like Tobey's Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man.
@@the_travelingbreeze I disagree. I'm also a long time fan of Spider-Man and I personally like the MCU version of Spider-Man and the way Tom Holland plays him. It's different, sure, but the core elements of his character are still there and now he'll be even more independent after No Way Home and his connection to the other characters is severed, which seems to be the main reason why some people don't like the MCU Spider-Man.
What could’ve been neat was if peter had uncle Ben and Tony was a contradiction in terms of being a hero “big and bombastic” making him torn. But at the same time he takes certain things like quipping in battle as different aspects of Tony that rubbed off on him.
I originally didn't want Spider-Man in the MCU at all because I didn't want him coexisting with the Avengers or doing any of the political and saving the world junk like Civil War and Infinity War, but I was completely disgusted when I watched Spider-Man: Homecoming not just because of all that abundant MCU continuity, but because of the total absence of Uncle Ben and almost the entire supporting cast being reduced to comic relief. I get that we don't need to see the origin again, but removing Uncle Ben completely and replacing him with Tony Stark is unacceptable. It's because I love the Spectacular Spider-Man that I hate MCU Spider-Man (Iron Brat).
while i don't share the same opinion and do really enjoy the MCU Spider-Man, this video is incredible man. a beautifully written script, excellently edited, you don't waste anyone's time with shenanigans and get to your point swiftly, and then you explain and elaborate on that point in great detail. i absolutely love this video. keep it up :)
I totally agree that spectacular spider man is better than the mcu version and it is far superior in it's story. But... can we talk about how that intro is a banger, not relevant but still, the spectacular spider man intro is so frickin good...
Finally, the people who actually know what spider man is supposed to be . The MCU spider man sucks hard . I am a die hard fan of Spiderman . I loved the previous movies but then Avengers shit came in and ruined . Spiderman never relies on anyone and he always works alone . This is smth that the MCU Spiderman writers forgot
Lol are u stupid? He works alone but he’s always been a good member of the avengers when needed. Also I’m convinced a lot of y’all don’t actually lie spidey
"Tasm 1 was a genuinely good film and a great spidey film" Literally how lol? Marc Webb and James Vanderbilt literally turned Peter Parker into a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding and re-told Spider-Man's entire origin less efficiently than Sam Raimi did with "Spider-Man" (2002) which was just completely unnecessary when they could've just skipped the origin and simply acknowledged Uncle Ben's existence.
THANK YOU!!! As a fellow spiderman fan I really don't like the MCU version at all. He's irresponsible, stupid, reckless and completely dependent on others without relying on his own talents and gifts "Oh but he's learning, that's his arc" No. He learned that arc the *HARD* way when Ben died because of him. In fact I had an idea of how that would've work and it goes against everything the mcu set up with him OK marvel fans, explain this to me; how did Peter become spiderman? That's a rhetorical question but think it thru. He gets bit and boom gets powers. Given that he's in the mcu and sees Tony stark out himself as iron man.......... what stopped Peter from doing the same? Why wouldn't Peter put on a costume, film himself saving people and try to become famous? The money he could've received would've made uncle Ben's and aunt May's life so much easier and Peter would be living the suite life. So........ why didn't that happen? See in my mind I can picture it now..... Peter would've tried and maybe uncle Ben caught wind of it. He tries to correct Peter and tell him that because he has this amazing power, that he should use it to help others without the need to show off. Maybe Peter didn't listen and maybe sees a robbery but didn't want to stop it cuz maybe it wasn't cool enough. And that robber kills Ben......... Peter then realizes the uncomfortable truth. Yeah the avengers go and save the world from aliens and evil robots ........ but plenty of uncle Ben's die everyday due to every day crime. Who's looking out for the little guy? Iron man would be too busy to notice a drug deal going down or somebody robbing a convenience store for a couple hundred bucks. What they need........ is a friendly neighborhood spiderman "But he did do that in homecoming" you might say And I say........ yeah for like a montage for 5 mins. Since then, when has Peter dealt with street crime? He's been busy traveling the world dealing with avenger level threats but he's not helping his own neighborhood Look you may like Tom Holland and all that and that's great, more power to you. But to me......... as a spiderman fan since I was a toddler........ this is NOT my spiderman. Spectacular, Sam raimi's, and the ps4 are Ps great video my dude!
Exactly and I agree with you. That 5 min montage in homecoming wasn't him really fighting crime. It was treated as a way to make Spiderman/Spiderboy looks like a nuisance rather a crime fighter.Also those 'so called' marvel fans ain't know one crap about Spiderboy being an accurate Spiderman. Cuz they have never read a Spiderman comic in their life.
@@markmolino679 well I actually like that part of the montage. I've seen comics where spiderman helped an elderly couple move into their new apartment by moving the heavy furniture upstairs. It's part of him being A friendly neighborhood spiderman It's everything after that and the reason why is the problem lol Peter should *LOVE* helping people simply because he can, NOT for trying to impress daddy stark so he can join the big kids club The amazing spiderman 2, while it was a Frankenstein of a mess, the opening with Andrew just being spiderman is so dam good, marvel needs to take notes from it and the raimi movies lol
@Erik Kemeey well I didn't have to read your comments like 3 times lol I actually indeed have seen all 5 films. Why 5? Well that's including civil war and infinity war (endgame was a cameo more than anything else really) And how is it a lie to say he's traveling all the time? In homecoming he went to Washington DC, going all the way to the vultures base then to Coney Island. In far from home is what you mentioned. Then in no way home he's running around the outskirts of the city. Where in any of that was he fighting street crime? That was my original point and you haven't answered that. The fact that you said I was lying but haven't proved me wrong shows that YOU'RE the one lying and coping at the same time And when I say I'm a spiderman fan, I don't just mean the Raimi films, which is watched, not read lol I've seen ultimate spiderman, spectacular spiderman, spiderman the animated series, both amazing spiderman films, played the tie in games, web of shadows, the ps4 game (which is the best out of all of them) and the mcu trilogy. I've also read several spiderman novels and have the first 20 issues of the original comics (they were releases so they are collectibles but they're a fun read) I know what I'm talking about unlike the marvel shills who think this is good lol
@Erik Kemeey because he’s literally not in NYC half the time in the MCU. In Civil War he goes to Germany, in Honecoming he is in NYC so 👍, but then again he travels to D.C. for a big period of the movie, then in Infinity War he travels to space, then in Emdgame he’s at the avengers compound in upstate New York, then in FFH he’s off to travel across Europe.
I don't understand the hate for Andrew's Spiderman he was a faithful adaptation especially to the modern stories at the time. Peter was a loner and introverted kid who had a love for science. And the weight of Uncle Ben's death in the Amazing Spiderman holds a lot of weight. Plus you might not like the ASPM movies but they have the spirit of each of the characters in the Spiderman universe. And just like the comics we feel the true weight of Peter's decisions and we see just because he saved the day it didn't come without a cost and that's literally the character of Spiderman
I hate the character changes in mcu. Flash Thompson is terrible. I feel like spiderman films heavily relay on the audience having watched previous avenger films. With cap America, iron man and thor they felt more like their own film.
The way i see it, tom hollands peter has already had that story. He learned that responsibility from uncle ben, but when he was given the suit by tony, tony basically became his mentor, and he wanted to do something greater than helping people cross the street, like tony. Peter learns his lesson in the end knowing that he doesnt need to be in the avengers, and helling people cross the street is just as great. P.S. in the spiderman ps4 game youre playing, pressing X at the end of the swing makes you go a bit faster.
Good video, although I don’t agree with everything and think it’s fine if MCU Peter is slightly different from his comic and alternate non film counterparts for a slightly different perspective on the character, your video does a great job explaining the importance of uncle Bens character.
I kind of liked that. All the annoying web swinging stuff in the game takes away from the video commentary because why not just go play the game yourself. Its like dam every video game does all this complicated web shi😂😂😂 no disrespect
You did an excellent assessment and more people should realize this also here is someone else who also tackles the problem with Ben in the mcu ua-cam.com/video/qW6Gx9e8O3U/v-deo.html
Great work on this vid and I completely agree, the MCU spider-man likes a hard drive to make him want to be spider-man other than hey being a hero is cool, which completely misses the point of the character, uncle ben shows him how to be responsible with the powers he was given by being peter's role model, and I think his absence is a huge mistake
@Erik Kemeey but he doesn't no way home even establishes that he hasn't even learned with great power comes great responsibility Now to be fair he did say yeah i know But the writers dismissed that in an interview
@Erik Kemeey really? Is that why in FFH he asks Nock Fury to literally ask for someone else’s help on the mission instead of him so he can enjoy his school field trip?
@Erik Kemeey is that why in homecoming he doesn’t feel a sense of responsibility or culpability when he destroys Delmar’s Deli…he literally destroyed a man’s livelihood. Is that why in FFH he opted to leave his Spidey suit at home even though May insisted?
@@wesstewart2677He's a kid that literally died and then watched his mentor die in front of him. It makes sense that he would be overwhelmed after that and not know what to do with EDITH or his future as Spider-Man. Besides, in No Way Home he does become much more independent and responsible after everyone forgets about him.
Tobey Spider-Man = 616 Spidey, Peter B. Parker, And 90s Cartoon Andrew Spider-Man = 1610 Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man 2008, And Spider-Man PS4 Tom Spider-Man = Marvel And UA-cam Kids Spider-Man, USM 2012, MSM 2017, Spidey And His Amazing Friends 2021 (Kinda in terms of many gadgets and having a spider bot), And A White Washed Miles Morales.
It's weird. I just got done complaining about how the MCU botched the Uncle Ben moment and how it was borderline character assignation. A few minutes later i stumble across your video.
I love how everyone now keep saying that after NWH the entire trilogy was an origin story (because most MCU fans don't have balls to admit that the writers were just looking for an excuse for Tom's Spider-Man character assassination) but then you start wondering, if Uncle Ben never existed and it was Aunt May all along, then why the hell Peter became Spider-Man and decided to help people during those 6 months in the first place? It makes no freaking sense!
Peter hints to Uncle Ben in Civil War, but now with No Way Home we can see that they saved this part of his story for a reason. Honestly I think it's a unique take where we saw this new interpretation, then after getting to know him we see him become more of the character we know but still in a different way. No Way Home was like his actual origin story
Your video is really good, but I have to say I disagree with your opinions about the mark webb films. I think this is the best interpretation of Peter Parker To him (and to me) the "outcast" part is way more important that the "nerdy" part, and to say he is "too cool" just because he rides a skateboard doesn't make sense to me. He is an outcast who is very awkward when it comes to talking to other children and he finds himself comfortable doing skates because it's what he's like And yes I'm gonna quote Peter B Parker from into the spider verse "don't do it like me, do it like you" And Mark and Andrew did a very great job at creating their own vision of the spider man/Peter Parker character
I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember if I mentioned the skateboard scene in this video but I do remember when I originally watched TASM after seeing Cosmonauts video, I thought that whole highschool lockers scene was overhated in a way, like there literally is a scene where hes denied by a girl because she only wants him to do her homework. I have my problems with the Webb films, and I still don't like the Uncle Ben death scene but Andrew was fine. He had his Peter moments, I thought he was an extremely good Spider-Man, I think I only just really mentioned him because his films had flaws and people focused on the flaws and never brought up how Andrew is younger and better looking than Tobey, but for some reason with Holland all the flaws are ignored because "Holland hot" EDIT: Ok yeah, I did show the skateboard scene... Its been almost a year since I made this video so I cant remember my mindset on why I included it other than, I was talking about the broad opinion of the movies and thats a scene that I always saw being criticized. Again, the point of bringing up Andrew and the Webb films was more to show the inconsistency and overall weirdness that the Webb films got criticized by the majority of people for its flaws, but for some reason the Holland films didnt solely because "Holland hot and young"
@Erik Kemeey I find it way too frustrating that he always needs backup, and that he NEEDED to be sided with the other spider-men to become one of his own. It makes me think that he is in fact more Miles Morales than Peter Parker. Oh and also frustrating that he had to rely on the OTHER villains instead of his own. And the "uncle Ben problem" also irritate me Well, I have plenty of problems with mcu spider man, the actors not being one. And I DO like mcu spider-man, but not in his solo movies But I would lie if I said I had a bad moment in front of those films, they were fun and all but I don't resonate with this version of the character more than with Andrew
Yeah it was another than in comics ofcorse / Bruh I was netural for Spectacular Spider-man, but when I watched it = it was SPECTACULAR ... it should be bigger.
In the original comic run uncle Ben is mentioned in the first issue if I remember correctly then isn’t mentioned for 36 odd issues or around that number and “the great responsibility” line is in a box narrated by Stan Lee…LoL there’s so many things that are never gonna be as good as the comics…and Andrew Garfield was a great Spider-Man
Another problem I have with the MCU Spiderman is that to me personally he just doesn't feel like Peter Parker. He feels a lot closer to Miles Moral. Now that might just be me, but it bothers me to no end every time he's on screen. (Not hating on Tom Holland by the way, I do think he's a good actor, it's probably more of a writing problem, just like the uncle Ben thing)
Nice video, only one problem....IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MCU PETER ISN'T SPIDER-MAN FOR THE THRILLS, IT'S BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T DO IT, BAD THINGS ARE HIS FAULT. This was made clear in Civil War (HIS FIRST APPEARANCE). Clearly, Uncle Ben's teachings are in Peter in the MCU. Adding to this, Peter in Homecoming is constantly being told to leave Vulture's operation alone and let someone else handle it by Tony Stark, yet he refuses to, even at the end where Tony doesn't care about him anymore, Vulture just threatened him, and a chance to get everything he wants (a chance with Liz) is right in front of him. Despite all of that, he still goes to stop Vulture. Why? Not to get the attention of the Avengers, but because it's right. Uncle Ben's name doesn't have to be said to make a Spider-Man story good, and having Tony Stark as another mentor doesn't make him irrelevant.
And the problem with that is that it’s been never explained properly. Tom Holland never addressed the problem being similar to how he let a criminal get away and murdered his uncle. Or how he had that talk with the Vulture about how the middle working class having to get by while the rich is lounging. Tom can just reply back by saying that there’s some sense of responsibility and goodwill within people. The idea of Tony Stark as his role figure completely muddles his individuality since he just dragged Tom’s Peter into the fray without any context. Tom Peter needs to find out the situation by himself and volunteers to take part in these conflicts. Would Tony Stark even be Iron Man without Yinsen? Would Steve Roger’s even be Captain America without dr Erskein?
Have you seen No Way Home? In my opinion, it fixes a lot of the complains you and others have mentioned about the MCU version of Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
@@zubinchadha6489 he's definitely the most comic accurate after no way home and fixes problems people have with the character I personally didn't have those problems but people did
@@Young_mir how ?? the suit is entirely different , he got a soft reboot , has no supporting cast , and he will get daredevil as his mentor (according to leaks), Zendaya and Jacob along with watts will return for his next movie(as said by Tom Rothman Sony pictures Ceo), he doesn't work for daily bugle, he never had an uncle Ben etc. , so how are you calling him as "MOST COMIC ACCURATE" on the basis of a 7 minute footage from the movie.
They wanted to try something different while butchering his backstory in the process, Iron Boy junior really doesn't sound right when you are spider-man. Also don't forget that they replaced uncle Ben with hot ant May, redoing that iconic moment in no way home for Tom Holland spidey. Andrew Garfield was too cool as Spider-man even if some aspects of the character were alright for that version, but I will never understand what is the MCU's problem with old people seeing ant May look like in her early 30's seems so distracting in a way. and not at all as her iconic look in the comics and the Raymi trilogy.
but ben did make peter spiderman, in nwh when may says the great responsibility line peter says that he knows, showing ben did tell him that, but within the chaos of everything thats going on in that movie he could risk forgetting that so she tells him it as a final moment that secured who peter is as spiderman and as a regular person. and tony isnt meant to be his main father figure, the whole point of homecoming is for peter to learn he doesnt want to be an avenger, he wants to be friendly neighborhood spiderman and then the next movie shows him tony and his idols arent these perfect beacons of justice he once thought, they were flawed human beings just like him and that he meeds to become his own hero and not try to be what others expect of him. thats why i love mcu spiderman. well made and argued video btw you def earned a sub!
It seems like in the Mcu spider man upbringing might be different from what we expect as May be the biological aunt as merging some of Ben traits it just seem like this is the truth as for having multiple role models playing the father figure might just the case as Ben could have been may boyfriend that was killed but it didn’t effect Peter as much I would kinda say that is headcaonn
What I wanna say is that NWH is supposed to final make Tom’s Peter Spider-Man, even tho he still doesn’t feel like Spider-Man… what I’m tryna say is that look Tobey just is Spider-Man to be me BUT outta all 3 I can tell and feel that Andrew cared/ cares the most about the character of Spider-Man, and watching his movies he feels like Spider-Man, Tom (TO ME) has always been Spider-Boy OR Ironman Jr., and the only reason some people say they don’t like Tom’s Spider-Man is because his version is in a universe with already established rules and characters so his Spider-Man has to follow the “mcu rules”, PERSONALLY I’ve always liked the Spider-Man’s that were solo like (Tobey, Andrew, The Spectacular Spider-Man) but even the end of NWH he still doesn’t feel like classic Spider-Man which is what they’re clearly going for it ONLY feels like a first step in the right direction and THATS IT, I feel like Tom’s Peter has more room to grow to actually feel like classic Spider-Man
I feel like you need to get a Revaluation about the amazing spiderman movies they're quite faithful to Spider man as a character. Andrew garfield spider-man Tackled Far more different elements than other live action spiderman have tackled. He is not some stereotypical nerd But he's a smart kid with a bit of a chip on his shoulder that keeps distance from people due to his parents abandoning him. Not to mention both of his films really hammer home Great power comes great responsibility with everyone of his actions having consequences That puts both toby and tom to shame.
TASM is beautiful and it's disheartening that he wasn't mcus native spidey. I mean they already had a good base. A good adaptation. While his movies are publicly dumped on they both feel much deeper and better than the first two mcu Spider-Man movies. Honestly don't care what people say about its story, i loved it. It was a Spider-Man story and felt like it. It's the deepness with the character that they build over the two films that makes me love it the most. Like, closest we got to a deep emotional moment with any actual depth to the story in mcu was the sequence with May in NWH. It took them 3 movies to do one scene where it feels like their relationship is real. Meanwhile TASM had multiple such scenes with multiple characters.(Altho i will agree that having Harry in the first film would've been good since that's the one character we kinda got underhanded on with good scenes) I only hope that going forward they go for small scale, street level, deep and personal stories for Spider-Man. Although looking at the entire jumbled mess the MCU and SSU have made of the thing so far really gives me no hope.... edit: There was one other such scene in homecoming with aunt May after the ferry scene but that's about it. 2 scenes with a key character over 3 movies.
Mcu spidey is not meant to be the og spiderman,they tried to make something different- and successfully made the best live action spiderman in my opinion.
This guy is the average ‘bandwagon hate in Andrew Garfield person’ those movies were great, were they as good as the Raimi trilogy? No, but by no means was it as bad as people shit on it for
Spider-Man actors on the Big Screen 1979-2021: Nicholas Hammond tried his best in a time before CGI. Tobey Maguire was the worst. Andrew Garfield just looked lost. Tom Holland IS the closest to the Spider-Man comics I started reading 46 years ago! So Tom for the win! 🤔
Andrew was faithful, Peter from the comics is an awkward, loner that can stand up to Flash and when he got the spider bite, he used his powers for selfish gain and uncle ben dies and then he catches the criminal, then he becomes spider-man.
@@saryphx Andrew did eventually catch the criminal, rewatch the amazing spider man 1, he webs him up for the police to catch him.
@@comicbookanimeentertainmen5066 nope
Yep
@@saryphx problem with Tobey’s iteration of the character (and Tom’s) is that his Peter Parker is portrayed as a definitive “good guy” from the get go. Peter in the source material was never the nice, nerdy, awkward geek he’s shown to be in most media. He was kind of a selfish, ass hole loner who would hurt ppl who wronged him if he had the power to. Those are the same traits y’all hate on Andrew for
I personally like Tom Holland's version of Spiderman and I think he does a good job tbh, the way Peter is written sometimes in the MCU isn't up to him.
It feels like peter and even may didnt care about ben as the seem in far from home where may asks peter where his suit case is then saying some thing like “where is your suit case oh it blew up didnt it” and that suit case was bens...
Because he was a white man. And Disney intends to discriminate white men in favor of the new MSHEU. It's all over their new stuff. And no one can say otherwise. If they do they're stupid
I'm convinced Ben Parker doesn't actually exist in the MCU. We don't have much evidence that he exists.
@@0din176 his suitcase was in Far From Home, so yes he exists
@@erikkemeey9144 the suitcase is never explicitly stated to be Ben’s. Just because it has the initials doesn’t mean anything unless the film explicitly states it is Ben’s. You can’t use knowledge from outside source material to justify stuff in a movie. There is no mention of it being Ben’s in the movie. As far as the audience is aware the letters BFP on the suitcase could be the brand of suitcase or the name of the suitcase company that mass produces it.
Once again, just because you know in the comics that Peter has an Uncle named Ben doesn’t mean it is the case for the MCU because they haven’t explicitly confirmed he exists. And the quote from Peter in Homecoming about “Everything May’s been through” doesn’t count because he never elaborates further. For all we know, she could’ve lost her job, her sister could’ve died, their previous home may have burned down, she may have recently been diagnosed with a disease that is very unlikely to survive, she may have recently gotten divorced, she may have failed at a dream she wanted to accomplish; because Peter refuses to elaborate we can’t know for certain.
Once again, you can’t use your knowledge of these comic characters in other mediums to justify stuff in your argument for a movie.
@@Red-Renegade-Studios ^
All the things wrong with MCU spider-man really bother me. I know it shouldn't, but damn...if there's one character you can do correctly it's Spider-Man
Such a good point about uncle Ben, uncle Ben is Spidey’s soul in many ways, his conscience.
I'm starting to think that whoever responsible at Disney for Spider-Man related media just hated the fact that it's not owned by them and deliberately made character worse, either out of vitriolic spite, or to ruin character enough so that it can be easily bought out.
The Marc Webb movies were awesome too! I agree the Raimi ones are the best.....although the portrayal of Peter Parker as unwilling mentor in Into the Spiderverse also was great. The only bad version of Spider-man is the MCU one. I do think Tom Holland COULD be a great Spider-man. It's the fault of the writing and directing, not the actor.
I think the best thing that shows why the MCU Spider-Man only feels like Spider-Man on the surface level is the episode where The Rhino is introduced in Spectacular Spider-Man. When Peter goes to Tombstone and he's offered to work under Tombstone with a huge salary in exchange for looking the other way whenever Tombstone says so. The brief hesitation or moment to remember that Peter looking the other way is what cost him Ben's life. In Far From Home Peter wants to drop his responsibilities to get with MJ. Tom Holland could have been the best Spider-Man we've ever gotten but the MCU is too afraid to tell a Spider-Man story and to let him be his own hero.
@Erik Kemeey what point are you even trying and failing to make
@Erik Kemeey Did you even read my original comment? I don't hate the MCU, but it cannot be denied that having Peter be so directly connected to the Avengers in every aspect of his character bogs down the most compelling parts of Spider-Man. No Way Home is where Spider-Man started to feel like Spider-Man and going forward it looks like Peter is set up to be the classic Spider-Man.
I'm sorry but Peter not being able to go on a date with a girl he had no chemistry with is not a compelling consequence since he just forgave him right after. Aunt May shouldn't be okay with her only family going out and risking his life to the same crime that took her husband only a short time ago.
I will say it again since you will ignore any point I'm making to diminish any criticism as just hate. I DO NOT hate Tom Holland or the MCU. I hate that they are squandering the huge amount of potential they have because they are shackled to the MCU model of story telling.
@Erik Kemeey I do not understand where this mindset of we can't expect MCU Spidey to meet or come close to the Raimi films. Here starving child enjoy this slop we scooped up from a pig farm, don't complain be glad you have food. You know it is because there are better Spider-Man movies and media that the MCU trilogy is being held to a higher standard. Tell me what is wrong with holding the most popular marvel character with a history of beloved and incredibly compelling movies and shows to the standard that has been set.
@Erik Kemeey Okay since you're just going to strawman what I'm saying you are showing you don't really want to hear what I have to say. In Far From Home it is literally in the movie that Peter was refusing to be Spider-Man because he wanted to hang out with and get with MJ. You cannot deny that. Nowhere in my original post did I ever say that MCU Spider-Man doesn't care about responsibility. What I said, and if you were engaging in this conversation honestly this is what you would have talking about, was and I quote " the MCU Spider-Man only feels like Spider-Man on the surface level". Why does Peter feel responsible to use his powers to help people. Because of Iron Man.
Where is Peter's father figure the one who raised Peter to be the man he is. Ben Parker doesn't exist outside of references and vague allusions. Peter loses Ben's suitcase and he should be distraught that he lost something of the man who raised him. We don't need to see Ben Parker die again but the MCU shifts that role he played in Peter's life to Tony Stark. The fact Peter hears the " Great Power and Great Responsibility" line AFTER he's already been Spider-Man for a while speaks volumes. And please let Aunt May be old again, I love cookie baking wisdom spouting old lady May Parker.
@Erik Kemeey Spider-Man would never take breaks. It is a staple of the character that no matter what he is still being compelled to action by his call to responsibility.
Honestly the episode with Black Cat's dad Cements just how important that Uncle Ben was to Peter as a father figure.
The entire time you can hear the malice in josh keaton's every line around the guy.
I have no problem seeing uncle Ben die and I have no problem seeing Thomas and Martha Wayne being killed in every Batman movie.
Even Peter B parker in across the spider verse says without uncle Ben many of them couldn't have been spider man
my second favorite part of the movie. The second I heard that line in the theaters I immediately thought "THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING"
The TASM slander was kind of an L, ngl
Agreed
No it was definitely not
Literally how lol?
Marc Webb and James Vanderbilt literally turned Peter Parker into a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding and re-told Spider-Man's entire origin less efficiently than Sam Raimi did with "Spider-Man" (2002) which was completely unnecessary when they could've just skipped the origin and simply acknowledged Uncle Ben's existence.
@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 Saying this as someone who was a kid at the time of the movies coming out, but Andrew's Peter has always been a thousand times more relatable thanks to these quirks. He also wasn't cool in-universe, he still got bullied pretty fucking bad, unlike MCU Peter. And unlike Tobey's Peter, TASM showed the angst that Peter has 70% of the time in the comics. The Sam Raimi movies made Peter a stereotype of what the character actually is.
I’m gonna make some major points as a Marvel Fan.
•Disney and the MCU is holding Marvel back.
•I miss when Carol Danvers was Ms.Marvel/Warbird and had curves, because I’m cultured.
•Marvel needs to take notes from the animated justice League, and Batman Brave and the Bold, they have a lot underutilized characters like Wonder Man, Scorpion, Mad Man, Moonstone, etc.
•Spider-Man Edge of Time > Loki and Endgame.
•Lionsgate’s Next Avengers > Kate Bishop, Ironheart, Sylvie and Jane Foster.
•Everyone else needs to talk about the animated Marvel stuff, especially the animated movies by Lionsgate.
•Hulk Vs and Planet Hulk > MCU Thor, Hulk and Loki.
•The MCU needs to stop with the comedic tone, no one likes a brown nose.
Nothing against humour, but the issue with MCU films in general is that it focuses way too much on humour & less on seriousness. Now days, a lot of entertainment doesn't know how to balance out humour & serious moments anymore. And it really hurts the viewer experiance. It's reasons like this why I go back watching older entertainment, because back then good writing was a lot of the times the main priority when it came to making entertainment for people. Heck, I personally prefer Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes over the large majority of the MCU films. Because EMH's actually cared & respected the original source material, while the MCU a lot of the times don't. And don't even get me started on how poorly the MCU handles it's villains.
@Asylum117, Agreed and to add to that. Wokeness has invaded the MCU to the point that Marvel is just releasing shit to please a certain group of people.
@@markmolino679 lol wokeness sure
@year7high711, take a look at the 80s to 2000 and early 2010s stuff and then take a look at mid to late 2010s to now. There is a reason why people call movies, games, and shows from the end of the last decade to now woke
Loki isn't bad. Don't lump it in with the rest.
In civil war he says
"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you"
Kinda nicely summarizes the Uncle Ben death origin if you ask me. Even if they are pussy footing around the subject, with that diaoluge and knowing the character's mythos generally; I don't think The Avengers were the SOLE reason he became Spider-Man.
A very valid point tbh, but I still just wish they hadn't involved The Avengers in Peter's story. He can be a part of them, that's cool and all, but there's still that overall vibe of Peter being a massive fanboy being a big fuel towards him being Spider-Man that bothers me
@@thelivingshtpost Wasn't Spider-Man a big fan of the Fantastic Four in the comics?
@@thelivingshtpost I personally believe Spider-Man should NEVER be involved with or even coexist with cosmic-level heroes and threats because it takes the "Friendly Neighborhood" out of Spider-Man and it obscures the webhead's supporting cast of civilian loved ones, who are supposed to be the important characters.
Spidey's rogues' gallery consists mostly of super-powered or tech-enhanced common criminals, mad scientists turning themselves into monsters or murderers, super-strong or super-powered crime bosses, corrupt and ruthless corporate overlords, and a certain blowhard news publisher, all of which are more realistic threats that are closer to home than interdimensional demons, time-traveling tyrants, identity-stealing aliens, and all-powerful gods that can change reality. Spider-Man is about protecting the people, not saving the world. Why should Spidey have to fight Dr. Doom when he already has the Kingpin?
Putting all these characters into one world overcomplicates all their stories by having them intertwine and forcing audiences to look into these crossovers just to get caught up, which is the main reason I don't read comic books for their abundant continuity. Why should I care about the Avengers and the Fantastic Four when I came to see Spider-Man? Besides, since when were they the people that mattered most to Peter Parker? Characters like Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson, Aunt May, Robbie Robertson, Harry Osborn, Mary Jane Watson, and most importantly, Uncle Ben are the people that motivate Peter Parker to be Spider-Man and protect New York, and they're constantly reduced to make room for other superheroes, especially with the MCU where they're nothing more than comic relief. Not that Spidey shouldn't have any supporting heroes, only street-level ones like he is: Daredevil, Iron Fist, Cloak and Dagger, Punisher, Luke Cage, White Tiger, and a handful of others who protect the friendly neighborhood rather than save the world.
My problem is that with Marvel's characters, I like focusing on them individually rather than seeing them as part of a bigger picture, especially with Spider-Man since he's my all-time favorite. I don't mind seeing the Avengers taking on Kang the Conquerer, as long as Spider-Man has nothing to do with it or even live in their world at all. So basically, I want Marvel Universe divided so the Avengers and SHIELD have their own world, the X-Men have theirs, and Spider-Man and the Defenders have theirs.
@@JohnboyTheGamer no. Peter tried to join FF to earn money so he can pay for bills and to take care of his aunt May. That was the only reason he wanted to noin the group.
That’s the thing. He was done better in Civil War and Avengers 3 & 4 than in his own movies 💀
There would’ve been a perfect place to mention uncle Ben in NWH, when spidey is fighting mysterio, and beck says “if you were good enough, you could have saved him” and cuts to Tony’s grave, which should have been uncle Ben’s grave
*FFH
Do you realize that Mysterio doesn't even know who Uncle Ben is? Why would he have included it in the illusion? what you say doesn't make any sense Lmao
You are wrong. Andrew is alot closer to the Peter Parker in the comics especially Steve ditkos. He was only a nerd in the sense that he liked books and was a loner but he was never a guy to stumble over his words or just let people bully him. He had a vengeful and edgier side. Always came back with witty remarks and was a smooth talker with ladies. Unlike Toby's portrayal which has him be the most timid guy ever, a man with little respect for himself and just a good kid with a good heart only to stay that way for all of the first movie. Toby had no edge at all. Tom is a different case. He is only Peter on a surface level. Eg suits and powers. Uncle Ben didn't play that much of a role as people think. It was all his realisation with the help of uncle ben in the comics compared to Toby's which shows him beit Spiderman because of him.
100%
And Tobey's Peter really came off as a people pleaser until he found his balls but MJ was really toxic towards him
Saying this is blasphemous I was going to say a lot but just know your absolutely wrong. Toby is by far the edgiest. Granted, Raimi's script did a lot of the work. But Peter just casually talks to the love of his life like its nothing. Watches Ben's killer fall to his fate and doesn't bat an eyelash. Andrew forgets English half the time when Gwen was around. Toby wipes Flash and his buds second day as SpiderMan in front of everybody. Pays no rent and dancing through New York snapping. No f's given. Yea he has range and cries in almost all the movies but to say he's spineless pushover is crazy.
"Andrew is alot closer to the Peter Parker in the comics especially Steve ditkos."
Can you please remind me where in the original comics by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, Peter Parker was a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding lol...?
I can’t believe the MCU fumbled Spider-Man this hard
What about No Way Home?
@@Kalakeiko What *about* No Way Home?
As cool as it was to tie Tom Holand's "Ben Parker" moment to the concept of the multiverse, it primarily built it off what came before made by others. And, it took 3 stand-alone movies before Tom's Spider-Man became good. In the first two films, it was just Iron Man Jr., not Spider-Man.
I criticize what the writers did with Tom Holland's Spider-Man because I love Spider-Man, and some of us audience members know that Spider-Man can be truly incredible, heartfelt, and heartbreaking, like Tobey's Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man.
@@the_travelingbreeze I disagree. I'm also a long time fan of Spider-Man and I personally like the MCU version of Spider-Man and the way Tom Holland plays him.
It's different, sure, but the core elements of his character are still there and now he'll be even more independent after No Way Home and his connection to the other characters is severed, which seems to be the main reason why some people don't like the MCU Spider-Man.
@@Kalakeiko I disagree.
@@the_travelingbreeze With what exactly?
What could’ve been neat was if peter had uncle Ben and Tony was a contradiction in terms of being a hero “big and bombastic” making him torn. But at the same time he takes certain things like quipping in battle as different aspects of Tony that rubbed off on him.
I originally didn't want Spider-Man in the MCU at all because I didn't want him coexisting with the Avengers or doing any of the political and saving the world junk like Civil War and Infinity War, but I was completely disgusted when I watched Spider-Man: Homecoming not just because of all that abundant MCU continuity, but because of the total absence of Uncle Ben and almost the entire supporting cast being reduced to comic relief. I get that we don't need to see the origin again, but removing Uncle Ben completely and replacing him with Tony Stark is unacceptable. It's because I love the Spectacular Spider-Man that I hate MCU Spider-Man (Iron Brat).
agree. Mcu Spiderman is not Spiderman, just an iron boiii
@@Chairman1717 Personally, I call him Iron Brat.
@@ericsander3620 Not a bad nickname. I honestly would have went with Spider-twit or something, But yours is honestly better. 😙
@@WBX64 Spider-Twit has too much dignity and makes him look as independent as the real Spider-Man.
@@ericsander3620What about No Way Home? And imo MCU Peter was already quite independent from the star.
while i don't share the same opinion and do really enjoy the MCU Spider-Man, this video is incredible man. a beautifully written script, excellently edited, you don't waste anyone's time with shenanigans and get to your point swiftly, and then you explain and elaborate on that point in great detail. i absolutely love this video. keep it up :)
mcu spiderman trash, just iron boiii
@@Chairman1717 I disagree. I personally like Tom Holland's version of Spiderman and I think he does a good job tbh
@@Kalakeiko No. Mcu spiderman is complete cashgrab nonsensical garbage. Its nothing but cringe humour and useless cameos
@@ravenouspuncher let the guy have an opinion dude. Man your sad
@@ravenouspuncher bro, this ain't twitter
I totally agree that spectacular spider man is better than the mcu version and it is far superior in it's story. But... can we talk about how that intro is a banger, not relevant but still, the spectacular spider man intro is so frickin good...
Finally, the people who actually know what spider man is supposed to be . The MCU spider man sucks hard . I am a die hard fan of Spiderman . I loved the previous movies but then Avengers shit came in and ruined . Spiderman never relies on anyone and he always works alone . This is smth that the MCU Spiderman writers forgot
Lol are u stupid? He works alone but he’s always been a good member of the avengers when needed. Also I’m convinced a lot of y’all don’t actually lie spidey
I used to have the first 2 original Spider-Man on vhs amd had a player used to watch them all the time as a kid
Tobey was the best Peter Parker.
Andrew was the best Spider-Man.
Tom is just spider-themed Iron Boy.
@Erik Kemeey yes. Exactly that. What aren’t you getting?
Tobey: The Real Spider-Man, Andrew: Comics Spider-Man, Tom: White Miles Morales
Tasm 1 was a genuinely good film and a great spidey film
Agreed
"Tasm 1 was a genuinely good film and a great spidey film"
Literally how lol?
Marc Webb and James Vanderbilt literally turned Peter Parker into a cool hipster that listens to Coldplay while skateboarding and re-told Spider-Man's entire origin less efficiently than Sam Raimi did with "Spider-Man" (2002) which was just completely unnecessary when they could've just skipped the origin and simply acknowledged Uncle Ben's existence.
THANK YOU!!! As a fellow spiderman fan I really don't like the MCU version at all. He's irresponsible, stupid, reckless and completely dependent on others without relying on his own talents and gifts
"Oh but he's learning, that's his arc"
No. He learned that arc the *HARD* way when Ben died because of him. In fact I had an idea of how that would've work and it goes against everything the mcu set up with him
OK marvel fans, explain this to me; how did Peter become spiderman? That's a rhetorical question but think it thru. He gets bit and boom gets powers. Given that he's in the mcu and sees Tony stark out himself as iron man.......... what stopped Peter from doing the same? Why wouldn't Peter put on a costume, film himself saving people and try to become famous? The money he could've received would've made uncle Ben's and aunt May's life so much easier and Peter would be living the suite life. So........ why didn't that happen?
See in my mind I can picture it now..... Peter would've tried and maybe uncle Ben caught wind of it. He tries to correct Peter and tell him that because he has this amazing power, that he should use it to help others without the need to show off. Maybe Peter didn't listen and maybe sees a robbery but didn't want to stop it cuz maybe it wasn't cool enough. And that robber kills Ben......... Peter then realizes the uncomfortable truth. Yeah the avengers go and save the world from aliens and evil robots ........ but plenty of uncle Ben's die everyday due to every day crime. Who's looking out for the little guy? Iron man would be too busy to notice a drug deal going down or somebody robbing a convenience store for a couple hundred bucks. What they need........ is a friendly neighborhood spiderman
"But he did do that in homecoming" you might say
And I say........ yeah for like a montage for 5 mins. Since then, when has Peter dealt with street crime? He's been busy traveling the world dealing with avenger level threats but he's not helping his own neighborhood
Look you may like Tom Holland and all that and that's great, more power to you. But to me......... as a spiderman fan since I was a toddler........ this is NOT my spiderman. Spectacular, Sam raimi's, and the ps4 are
Ps great video my dude!
Exactly and I agree with you. That 5 min montage in homecoming wasn't him really fighting crime. It was treated as a way to make Spiderman/Spiderboy looks like a nuisance rather a crime fighter.Also those 'so called' marvel fans ain't know one crap about Spiderboy being an accurate Spiderman. Cuz they have never read a Spiderman comic in their life.
@@markmolino679 well I actually like that part of the montage. I've seen comics where spiderman helped an elderly couple move into their new apartment by moving the heavy furniture upstairs. It's part of him being A friendly neighborhood spiderman
It's everything after that and the reason why is the problem lol Peter should *LOVE* helping people simply because he can, NOT for trying to impress daddy stark so he can join the big kids club
The amazing spiderman 2, while it was a Frankenstein of a mess, the opening with Andrew just being spiderman is so dam good, marvel needs to take notes from it and the raimi movies lol
@Erik Kemeey well I didn't have to read your comments like 3 times lol
I actually indeed have seen all 5 films. Why 5? Well that's including civil war and infinity war (endgame was a cameo more than anything else really)
And how is it a lie to say he's traveling all the time? In homecoming he went to Washington DC, going all the way to the vultures base then to Coney Island. In far from home is what you mentioned. Then in no way home he's running around the outskirts of the city.
Where in any of that was he fighting street crime? That was my original point and you haven't answered that. The fact that you said I was lying but haven't proved me wrong shows that YOU'RE the one lying and coping at the same time
And when I say I'm a spiderman fan, I don't just mean the Raimi films, which is watched, not read lol I've seen ultimate spiderman, spectacular spiderman, spiderman the animated series, both amazing spiderman films, played the tie in games, web of shadows, the ps4 game (which is the best out of all of them) and the mcu trilogy. I've also read several spiderman novels and have the first 20 issues of the original comics (they were releases so they are collectibles but they're a fun read)
I know what I'm talking about unlike the marvel shills who think this is good lol
@Mark Molino u don't need to read comic lol
Watch raimi films
It's enough to knwo
@Erik Kemeey because he’s literally not in NYC half the time in the MCU.
In Civil War he goes to Germany, in Honecoming he is in NYC so 👍, but then again he travels to D.C. for a big period of the movie, then in Infinity War he travels to space, then in Emdgame he’s at the avengers compound in upstate New York, then in FFH he’s off to travel across Europe.
I don't understand the hate for Andrew's Spiderman he was a faithful adaptation especially to the modern stories at the time. Peter was a loner and introverted kid who had a love for science. And the weight of Uncle Ben's death in the Amazing Spiderman holds a lot of weight. Plus you might not like the ASPM movies but they have the spirit of each of the characters in the Spiderman universe. And just like the comics we feel the true weight of Peter's decisions and we see just because he saved the day it didn't come without a cost and that's literally the character of Spiderman
I hate the character changes in mcu. Flash Thompson is terrible.
I feel like spiderman films heavily relay on the audience having watched previous avenger films. With cap America, iron man and thor they felt more like their own film.
I agree with you on both counts. It's just one of the many reasons I think the Marvel Universe should be divided so not all of the characters coexist.
Tom is basically Miles Morales but has the look of Peter Parker.
It’s a different take to the character
There easy, not everything is going to be the same and I think that’s good
why name a character spiderman if it is not spiderman. Name it Ironboy jr and everything will fall in place.
@xenon6947 you aren't the brightest, are you?
News flash, not everyone has to be on board with changes just because they’re a "different take".
The way i see it, tom hollands peter has already had that story. He learned that responsibility from uncle ben, but when he was given the suit by tony, tony basically became his mentor, and he wanted to do something greater than helping people cross the street, like tony. Peter learns his lesson in the end knowing that he doesnt need to be in the avengers, and helling people cross the street is just as great.
P.S. in the spiderman ps4 game youre playing, pressing X at the end of the swing makes you go a bit faster.
11:12 That's why we love Spider-Man, he's one of us.
4 thousand views... god damn, words do not explain the amount of appreciation I have. Thank you
Loved it
Why is this recommended to me exactly 2 years later
This is the best part of the video 💀 4:31
Everything wrong with mcu Spider-Man pre-NWH
Short and simple answer is the first word
You aint wrong LMAO
The MCU has been great -_-
...until more recently
Such an underrated video
Good video, although I don’t agree with everything and think it’s fine if MCU Peter is slightly different from his comic and alternate non film counterparts for a slightly different perspective on the character, your video does a great job explaining the importance of uncle Bens character.
The web swinging gameplay made my soul break. Why didn't he boost?!!? whyyyyyyyy
I kind of liked that. All the annoying web swinging stuff in the game takes away from the video commentary because why not just go play the game yourself. Its like dam every video game does all this complicated web shi😂😂😂 no disrespect
EDIT: Video's officially hit 1k views (and 69 likes as the time of me writing this.. nice)... Thank you all for the support
You did an excellent assessment and more people should realize this also here is someone else who also tackles the problem with Ben in the mcu
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Great work on this vid and I completely agree, the MCU spider-man likes a hard drive to make him want to be spider-man other than hey being a hero is cool, which completely misses the point of the character, uncle ben shows him how to be responsible with the powers he was given by being peter's role model, and I think his absence is a huge mistake
@Erik Kemeey but he doesn't no way home even establishes that he hasn't even learned with great power comes great responsibility
Now to be fair he did say yeah i know
But the writers dismissed that in an interview
@Erik Kemeey really? Is that why in FFH he asks Nock Fury to literally ask for someone else’s help on the mission instead of him so he can enjoy his school field trip?
@Erik Kemeey is that why in homecoming he doesn’t feel a sense of responsibility or culpability when he destroys Delmar’s Deli…he literally destroyed a man’s livelihood. Is that why in FFH he opted to leave his Spidey suit at home even though May insisted?
What about No Way Home?
@@wesstewart2677He's a kid that literally died and then watched his mentor die in front of him. It makes sense that he would be overwhelmed after that and not know what to do with EDITH or his future as Spider-Man.
Besides, in No Way Home he does become much more independent and responsible after everyone forgets about him.
Andrew was top tier Spider-Man when it came to physicality and movement, he IS the Spider-Man, while Tobey is THE definitive Peter Parker.
Tobey Spider-Man = 616 Spidey, Peter B. Parker, And 90s Cartoon
Andrew Spider-Man = 1610 Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man 2008, And Spider-Man PS4
Tom Spider-Man = Marvel And UA-cam Kids Spider-Man, USM 2012, MSM 2017, Spidey And His Amazing Friends 2021 (Kinda in terms of many gadgets and having a spider bot), And A White Washed Miles Morales.
> UA-cam Kids Spider-Man
Wait, Tom Holland was apart of ElsaGate? 😳😳😳😭
@@thelivingshtpost Maybe...😂😭😭 But fr, no hate to Tom tho nor his Spider-Man, I just think his Spider-Man is aimed towards younger audience.
It's weird. I just got done complaining about how the MCU botched the Uncle Ben moment and how it was borderline character assignation. A few minutes later i stumble across your video.
they're listening
I love how everyone now keep saying that after NWH the entire trilogy was an origin story (because most MCU fans don't have balls to admit that the writers were just looking for an excuse for Tom's Spider-Man character assassination) but then you start wondering, if Uncle Ben never existed and it was Aunt May all along, then why the hell Peter became Spider-Man and decided to help people during those 6 months in the first place? It makes no freaking sense!
Bro, I hear that a lot too, and my response to them was, "Well, that's a pretty terrible trilogy and NWH felt more like a course correction."
I agree, spectacular is great, it was my show growing up, but with mcu peter now after no way home, I'm very curious as to what they will do
None of the spiderman cartoons start off with uncle Ben's death
Peter hints to Uncle Ben in Civil War, but now with No Way Home we can see that they saved this part of his story for a reason. Honestly I think it's a unique take where we saw this new interpretation, then after getting to know him we see him become more of the character we know but still in a different way. No Way Home was like his actual origin story
No Way Home is a plot-holed mess that made Peter Parker look like more of a reckless idiot.
@@bakedbeans5494 tf did nwh do to you 😭😭
@@disrupt_-4054 It shat on the name of Spider-Man.
@@bakedbeans5494 not really no. I think you're overreacting a little
@@disrupt_-4054 I'm not overreacting. Tom doesn't define Peter Parker at all.
5:27 "Adaptated the character"?
brain short circuited
@@thelivingshtpostlol it happens
this guy kinda sounds like kermit and i love it
well that's a new one
Your video is really good, but I have to say I disagree with your opinions about the mark webb films.
I think this is the best interpretation of Peter Parker
To him (and to me) the "outcast" part is way more important that the "nerdy" part, and to say he is "too cool" just because he rides a skateboard doesn't make sense to me. He is an outcast who is very awkward when it comes to talking to other children and he finds himself comfortable doing skates because it's what he's like
And yes I'm gonna quote Peter B Parker from into the spider verse "don't do it like me, do it like you"
And Mark and Andrew did a very great job at creating their own vision of the spider man/Peter Parker character
I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember if I mentioned the skateboard scene in this video but I do remember when I originally watched TASM after seeing Cosmonauts video, I thought that whole highschool lockers scene was overhated in a way, like there literally is a scene where hes denied by a girl because she only wants him to do her homework.
I have my problems with the Webb films, and I still don't like the Uncle Ben death scene but Andrew was fine. He had his Peter moments, I thought he was an extremely good Spider-Man, I think I only just really mentioned him because his films had flaws and people focused on the flaws and never brought up how Andrew is younger and better looking than Tobey, but for some reason with Holland all the flaws are ignored because "Holland hot"
EDIT: Ok yeah, I did show the skateboard scene... Its been almost a year since I made this video so I cant remember my mindset on why I included it other than, I was talking about the broad opinion of the movies and thats a scene that I always saw being criticized. Again, the point of bringing up Andrew and the Webb films was more to show the inconsistency and overall weirdness that the Webb films got criticized by the majority of people for its flaws, but for some reason the Holland films didnt solely because "Holland hot and young"
@Erik Kemeey I find it way too frustrating that he always needs backup, and that he NEEDED to be sided with the other spider-men to become one of his own. It makes me think that he is in fact more Miles Morales than Peter Parker. Oh and also frustrating that he had to rely on the OTHER villains instead of his own.
And the "uncle Ben problem" also irritate me
Well, I have plenty of problems with mcu spider man, the actors not being one.
And I DO like mcu spider-man, but not in his solo movies
But I would lie if I said I had a bad moment in front of those films, they were fun and all but I don't resonate with this version of the character more than with Andrew
I started watching Homecoming again to get my Spidey fix, and I couldn't finish it. It's so not Spidey.
Yeah it was another than in comics ofcorse / Bruh I was netural for Spectacular Spider-man, but when I watched it = it was SPECTACULAR ... it should be bigger.
Spider-Man without the origin story drastically takes away from the character himself and the story.
You are sorely mistaken
If happy hogan was Ben hogan and he died in spider man no way home I would’ve loved it because he saw uncle Ben and a new side of happy
In the original comic run uncle Ben is mentioned in the first issue if I remember correctly then isn’t mentioned for 36 odd issues or around that number and “the great responsibility” line is in a box narrated by Stan Lee…LoL there’s so many things that are never gonna be as good as the comics…and Andrew Garfield was a great Spider-Man
Good video alt linkara
I’m loving the tony slander
I mean we all know about uncle ben it should be obvious at this point. Do we need him to be present(dead) every time?
And ladies and gentlemen, another reason why Spectacular Spider man Is THE BEST
So there is a person called S.K
What do kids call them selfs now. Before we had 90s kids 2000s kids but what now ?
Nothing but facts
Another problem I have with the MCU Spiderman is that to me personally he just doesn't feel like Peter Parker. He feels a lot closer to Miles Moral. Now that might just be me, but it bothers me to no end every time he's on screen.
(Not hating on Tom Holland by the way, I do think he's a good actor, it's probably more of a writing problem, just like the uncle Ben thing)
he feels just like Peter Parker to me
Nice video, only one problem....IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MCU PETER ISN'T SPIDER-MAN FOR THE THRILLS, IT'S BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T DO IT, BAD THINGS ARE HIS FAULT. This was made clear in Civil War (HIS FIRST APPEARANCE). Clearly, Uncle Ben's teachings are in Peter in the MCU. Adding to this, Peter in Homecoming is constantly being told to leave Vulture's operation alone and let someone else handle it by Tony Stark, yet he refuses to, even at the end where Tony doesn't care about him anymore, Vulture just threatened him, and a chance to get everything he wants (a chance with Liz) is right in front of him. Despite all of that, he still goes to stop Vulture. Why? Not to get the attention of the Avengers, but because it's right. Uncle Ben's name doesn't have to be said to make a Spider-Man story good, and having Tony Stark as another mentor doesn't make him irrelevant.
And the problem with that is that it’s been never explained properly. Tom Holland never addressed the problem being similar to how he let a criminal get away and murdered his uncle. Or how he had that talk with the Vulture about how the middle working class having to get by while the rich is lounging. Tom can just reply back by saying that there’s some sense of responsibility and goodwill within people. The idea of Tony Stark as his role figure completely muddles his individuality since he just dragged Tom’s Peter into the fray without any context. Tom Peter needs to find out the situation by himself and volunteers to take part in these conflicts. Would Tony Stark even be Iron Man without Yinsen? Would Steve Roger’s even be Captain America without dr Erskein?
Have you seen No Way Home? In my opinion, it fixes a lot of the complains you and others have mentioned about the MCU version of Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
Teen titans didn't really end on a cliffhanger. Watchtower database has a video explaining this metter than I could so go check that out
I did actually see that video! Made me understand that episode a lot more and be okay with it ending.
@@thelivingshtpost it is the true ending of the show
bro really said adaptated
3 years later and I still wonder what neurons misfired to make me say it that way 💀
@thelivingshtpost loll 😂
spectacular spider-man best animated spider-man series
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I think ur wrong about Andrew’s Spider-Man tho
100% disagree with this video after no way home
Sheep.
nah
@@zubinchadha6489 he's definitely the most comic accurate after no way home and fixes problems people have with the character I personally didn't have those problems but people did
@@Young_mir how ?? the suit is entirely different , he got a soft reboot , has no supporting cast , and he will get daredevil as his mentor (according to leaks), Zendaya and Jacob along with watts will return for his next movie(as said by Tom Rothman Sony pictures Ceo), he doesn't work for daily bugle, he never had an uncle Ben etc. , so how are you calling him as "MOST COMIC ACCURATE" on the basis of a 7 minute footage from the movie.
@@zubinchadha6489 and he did have Uncle Ben we just didn't see him on screen Aunt May is his Uncle Ben
Not that good looking or successful with girls? Stan which spider-man are talking about here?
They wanted to try something different while butchering his backstory in the process, Iron Boy junior really doesn't sound right when you are spider-man.
Also don't forget that they replaced uncle Ben with hot ant May, redoing that iconic moment in no way home for Tom Holland spidey.
Andrew Garfield was too cool as Spider-man even if some aspects of the character were alright for that version, but I will never understand what is the MCU's problem with old people seeing ant May look like in her early 30's seems so distracting in a way. and not at all as her iconic look in the comics and the Raymi trilogy.
Lol “greatest live action Peter Parker” LOL!!!!!!!!
I relate to Ironman, maybe I am a billionaire.
UNCLE BEN MAKE THE AMAZİNG SPECTACULAR SPİDER-MAN
but ben did make peter spiderman, in nwh when may says the great responsibility line peter says that he knows, showing ben did tell him that, but within the chaos of everything thats going on in that movie he could risk forgetting that so she tells him it as a final moment that secured who peter is as spiderman and as a regular person. and tony isnt meant to be his main father figure, the whole point of homecoming is for peter to learn he doesnt want to be an avenger, he wants to be friendly neighborhood spiderman and then the next movie shows him tony and his idols arent these perfect beacons of justice he once thought, they were flawed human beings just like him and that he meeds to become his own hero and not try to be what others expect of him. thats why i love mcu spiderman. well made and argued video btw you def earned a sub!
Correction: Spectacular was 2008-2009, which is mid-LATE 2000's.
It seems like in the Mcu spider man upbringing might be different from what we expect as May be the biological aunt as merging some of Ben traits it just seem like this is the truth as for having multiple role models playing the father figure might just the case as Ben could have been may boyfriend that was killed but it didn’t effect Peter as much I would kinda say that is headcaonn
Okay
Once you said Andrew is not close to comic Peter at all I immediately invalidated any other points you are planning to say
HOW DARE YOU SAY ANDREW SUCKED- /J /J it's fine tbh it's your opinion-
Honestly tho, back when I saw the movies I thought Andrew was a pretty good Spider-Man
the movies weren't tho
Cmon marvel kill more uncles. You’re ruining the character of Spider-Man. Oh wait Sonys still in control of the character
Everything about it is opinion but ok
The Insomniacs Spider-Man swinging in the intro is ass lol
why do you sound like shamiek moore miles
Sorry but the amazing spiderman movies were to close to the comics, specially the ultimates comics, and he was a great spiderman!!
Honestly I don’t think the mcu needs uncle Ben. I think that aunt may and Toby stark serve that role just fine
What I wanna say is that NWH is supposed to final make Tom’s Peter Spider-Man, even tho he still doesn’t feel like Spider-Man… what I’m tryna say is that look Tobey just is Spider-Man to be me BUT outta all 3 I can tell and feel that Andrew cared/ cares the most about the character of Spider-Man, and watching his movies he feels like Spider-Man, Tom (TO ME) has always been Spider-Boy OR Ironman Jr., and the only reason some people say they don’t like Tom’s Spider-Man is because his version is in a universe with already established rules and characters so his Spider-Man has to follow the “mcu rules”, PERSONALLY I’ve always liked the Spider-Man’s that were solo like (Tobey, Andrew, The Spectacular Spider-Man) but even the end of NWH he still doesn’t feel like classic Spider-Man which is what they’re clearly going for it ONLY feels like a first step in the right direction and THATS IT, I feel like Tom’s Peter has more room to grow to actually feel like classic Spider-Man
I feel like you need to get a Revaluation about the amazing spiderman movies they're quite faithful to Spider man as a character.
Andrew garfield spider-man Tackled Far more different elements than other live action spiderman have tackled.
He is not some stereotypical nerd But he's a smart kid with a bit of a chip on his shoulder that keeps distance from people due to his parents abandoning him.
Not to mention both of his films really hammer home Great power comes great responsibility with everyone of his actions having consequences That puts both toby and tom to shame.
TASM is beautiful and it's disheartening that he wasn't mcus native spidey.
I mean they already had a good base. A good adaptation. While his movies are publicly dumped on they both feel much deeper and better than the first two mcu Spider-Man movies.
Honestly don't care what people say about its story, i loved it. It was a Spider-Man story and felt like it. It's the deepness with the character that they build over the two films that makes me love it the most. Like, closest we got to a deep emotional moment with any actual depth to the story in mcu was the sequence with May in NWH.
It took them 3 movies to do one scene where it feels like their relationship is real.
Meanwhile TASM had multiple such scenes with multiple characters.(Altho i will agree that having Harry in the first film would've been good since that's the one character we kinda got underhanded on with good scenes)
I only hope that going forward they go for small scale, street level, deep and personal stories for Spider-Man. Although looking at the entire jumbled mess the MCU and SSU have made of the thing so far really gives me no hope....
edit: There was one other such scene in homecoming with aunt May after the ferry scene but that's about it. 2 scenes with a key character over 3 movies.
@@hi3r0glyph no
Mcu spidey is not meant to be the og spiderman,they tried to make something different- and successfully made the best live action spiderman in my opinion.
This guy is the average ‘bandwagon hate in Andrew Garfield person’ those movies were great, were they as good as the Raimi trilogy? No, but by no means was it as bad as people shit on it for
nah tasm 1 was actually pretty decent imo
nope
Raimi Spiderman is the only Spiderman.
:D
Honestly this is just my take but i think the mcu spiderman would be better if it was miles not peter parker
Spider-Man actors on the Big Screen 1979-2021:
Nicholas Hammond tried his best in a time before CGI.
Tobey Maguire was the worst.
Andrew Garfield just looked lost.
Tom Holland IS the closest to the Spider-Man comics I started reading 46 years ago!
So Tom for the win!
🤔
MCU is better
MCU is trash.
Your video is like Raimi's Spiderman movies...long, boring and cringe.
Spectacular spider man actually got 3 seasons but season 3 was barley on
you clearly didn't even watch any of these films