Why Uncle Ben Matters (MCU and Spectacular Spider-Man)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2020
- #Spider-Man #UncleBen #MCU
Everybody shares the same opinion about MCU Spider-Man. Despite this, I offer my thoughts on the topic in this video and emphasize the importance of Uncle Ben to Spider-Man’s character. In doing so, I invoke the greatest Spidey cartoon of all time, and one of the plain best Spidey anythings of all time: Spectacular Spider-Man. I hope you enjoy.
Also I know it seems like I come down pretty hard on MCU Spidey in this video, but I actually really like the portrayal of Peter Parker in Civil War and Homecoming. I definitely have my issues with how Peter is characterized in those movies, but the good far outweighs the bad, in my opinion. Far From Home, though? Yeah, I got more issues there. It honestly feels like so much of what I loved about Peter’s character in Homecoming was walked back or ignored, but maybe you feel differently! If that’s the case, let me know why down in the comments.
I know I didn’t delve super deep into my analysis of MCU Spidey in this video, as I’ve already reviewed Far From Home and I didn’t want the MCU side of this video to completely overshadow the Spectacular Spider-Man side of this video, so I’ll be happy to continue the discussion down in the comments with you :)
I’d also like to go on the record and say that Spider-Man is pretty cool. Just, like, in general. And if you decide to attack someone personally for their opinion about Spider-Man--a fictional character meant to unite people--you’re exactly the type of person that Spider-Man would abhor.
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No spoilers, but I genuinely loved No Way Home. I wasn't expecting to love this movie, but I did. I hope you guys do, too.
almost like they watched this video and fixed the problem
@@zodiac8929 they seemed to address many criticisms of the MCU Spider-Man. I'm honestly surprised.
Why Aunt May matters now lmao
I love how the MCU trilogy we got was essentially his entire origin story.
The ending of no way home gives me sense of nostalgia. "This is the peter and spiderman that we all love" is written on everyones faces!
I don't mind the idea of Tony being a mentor, but no one should take uncle Ben's place as his main driving force.
Yeah and I do think it's weird that Cap wasn't really a mentor to Peter at all... like I feel like Cap's and Peter's ideologies line up much better than Tony's and Peter's, but as you put it, the problem isn't who the mentor is, but the fact that that mentor serves as Peter's motivation
@@criticalrants oh yeah I forgot to say that, Cap and Peter's relationship was a massive waste of potential. I think they had one short exchange in Civil war and then nothing.
@@RadinV1 Yeah! While that exchange is pretty cute, it's a little weird to me that Peter is just totally cool with fighting Captain America. Like I feel like he should at least question his role in all this when he finds himself at odds with Cap, but... whatever. As a whole, I still really like Peter's characterization in Civil War, but that detail really irks me.
Yeah I agree
My interpertation for MCU Spider-Man is that Peter views Tony Stark not a replacement for Uncle Ben but as a stand-in for him. Peter sees some of the Uncle Ben in Tony as if he never left.
While Tony himself isn't perfect compared to Uncle Ben, he is basically testing Peter in order to be better even if it is harsh but Peter's idolization for Tony gets in the way of his maturity.
I don't remember where I read this sentence, but I think it summarizes the quintessential nature of his stories and character adequately:
"For all his triumphs and the good he does, at the end of the day, when the mask comes off, Peter is the one who never truly wins."
Exactly. That is who Stan Lee wanted teenager Spider-man to be. A guy who has to either finish his homework and get a chance to enter university, or spend the night saving lives. A guy who struggles to decide whether he should spend his weekly allowance on parts for web-shooters, lunch, or to pay the bills. A guy who works for a boss who disrespects him as both Peter and Spider-man. A guy who does not get the girl, and loses his closest friends.
Spider-man is clearly bad for Peter's life, but he keeps being him because of what Ben Parker taught him.
Peter's personal sacrifice allows Spider-man to save lives, and he knows it is worth it.
@@dushaunlewis7574 and we all love him because of his unrelenting feeling of responsibility
I think that's a quote from Kaptainkristian(he made a video on spidey called "Spiderman: the lessons of heroism") but it's on Igns channel instead of his own
and in some shows and games it says despite all those things he still does his best and is still happy
Dushaun Lewis so the main idea of the story is:
Do what’s right, even if it won’t be easy.
"Every person out there means the *world* to somebody.
And Spidey's out there risking his neck for *all* of 'em.
Their best friends. Their husbands. Their girlfriends. Their moms. Their uncles."
- The Amazing Spider-Man (2015) #801
and yet the mcu peter would rather go on a date with MJ then fight crime
@@hypersonx7284 he has a life
@@MOMOFCJ6 but he's putting himself before others, spidey legit said in the ps1 game "look being spiderman has given me a lot, and taken a lot, but one thing will never change. My responsibility to put others before myself no matter what the cost." But Peter Is putting himself above others and doesn't even care about the people he has to protect
@@hypersonx7284 we will see him grow in far from home
@@MOMOFCJ6 you mean homeworlds?
He has it easy so Ned knows he’s Spider-Man so he’s never pissed at Peter,MJ knows he’s spider-man so she doesn’t get pissed at him and last but not least,Aunt May knows he’s Spider-Man so she’s never worried about him which is one of the biggest problems
Agreed
You sure about that bud?
@@robl0xgamer258 well it is a problem
@@bloodfinity i feel like people only look toward the negative parts of homecoming, he does have consequences through the movie
@@robl0xgamer258 there are but they don't get focused that much except the vulture ending
The fact that they imply that Tony meant more to Peter than Ben ever did is insulting to the character of Spider-Man
Sure Tony has given Peter tech and a parental figure but it was Ben that taught him the famous quote and what drove Peter to be good. Ben was Peter's Thomas and Martha Wayne and replacing that with Tony dying in Endgame made me feel like MCU Spiderman is a totally different Spiderman than any other version which just isn't for me
@@pines3326 and even after Tony dies it doesn’t drive him forward to being Spider-Man, in the next movie he doesn’t wanna be a hero he just wants to go on vacation, it’s not at all what Peter would’ve done
The second Tony dismissed Vulture as being "below his pay grade", every comic or cartoon version of Peter Parker would have been disgusted and disillusioned. The student/mentor dynamic always falls apart in the comics because Peter is an objectively better person than Tony.
Tony can explain all the cold logic and rationale behind not getting involved, but Peter would only be focused on people being put in danger while he does nothing. Tony didn't even care until Vulture was stealing his property.
@@JoelsCreed141
To be fair, vacation would be on Peter's mind. He's considered quitting Spider-man many times, but never does, because he has Uncle Ben's memory to keep him straight and narrow.
Well, someone did point out something interesting in an earlier clip. They stated "Basing on the rumors of Garfield and Maguire being in Spider-Man 3, I thought in one way on how they can fix this Uncle Ben situation:
Yes, MCU peter had uncle ben and he died, which made Peter become Spidey. However, maybe in the MCU version, he and Uncle Ben hadn't a strong relationship and/or didn't have a direct blood connection. That makes Peter sorry and responsible for UB dying and, consequently, becoming SM - but it didn't have the impact it had in other versions of Peter.
Then Spider-Man 3 comes out and we get to see the previous live-action peters. Throughout the movie, Peter understands the responsibilities of being Spiderman by looking at how AG and TM act as Spidey's. At the end of the movie, MCU peter learns the famous spiderman sentence (With great powers, comes great responsibilities) and, after the villain loses/dies and the other Spideys go away, Peter is a new Spiderman, one that, after so long having the mantle, now finally understands his responsibilities as Spiderman (this could appear on screen like a situation of Peter starting to ignore some crime happening close to him, but quickly going to action to be the friendly neighbor)." - Pedro Maragon
I think the main problem with this discussion is that, for some reason, people seem to think we want to see Uncle Ben die again. We don't. We've seen it enough. What we want to see is how his death truly impacts him. All it takes is a mention of the guy and how that affects Peter's choice's. I feel like Homecoming kinda tried to insinuate that with the whole "Just looking out for the little guy." Line, but it doesn't have the same affect. We don't need the "with great power" line, but just something from the man that is supposed to help push Peter to keep saving people.
I totally agree! This is a really good way of putting it.
Totally agree that all it takes is the implication of Ben’s death and that influencing Peter’s every decision, but I don’t really see what’s so bad about the “great power” line and why everybody seems so aggressively opposed to it.
that "great power" line really hits hard after no way home
@@bystander.4620 yeah, it does. And it basically knocks down every criticism Jon Watts faced for not including Uncle Ben.
@@bystander.4620 fr.. it even use the original quote from comics 😭
Man, I miss spectacular Spider-Man-
Like a fool, I’m still holding out hope that it gets revived, as unlikely as that is
I really hope, It’s revived... also great video-
@@TGM_Productions Thank you!
Np. :>
Hey, I found a website called "Topcartoons.tv" Spectacular Spider-Man is on there, both seasons.
it turns out that the homecoming trilogy was actually just the uncle ben incident but extended into multiple movies lol. I loved no way home and it made me love tom holland so much more, this was tom holland spiderman's origin story.
That's just an excuse. Origin story is a story of how one put on their costume and be a hero. Those 3 movies is so all over the place in terms of story and character motivation.
Well, your definition of Origin is quite narrow.
In my opinion, before no way home peter is more of a spiderboy rather than a spiderman.
Now, we got the spiderman we have been waiting for.
The only time Uncle Ben was mentioned in No way home was from both Toby and Andrew when they mentioned their Uncle Ben…
Where’s as with Tom it was Aunt May who told me about “With great power comes great responsibility”
@@shubb-niggurath um clearly u miss read my comment like mad. My comment has nothing to do with uncle Ben being mentioned a certain amount of times. My comment was more of a comparison
SPOILERS:
Spidey fans: peter needs to loose someone important to him to re-evalute his actions and decisions!
Aunt may: fine. I'll do it myself.
The MCU version takes so much from Miles Morales and it makes him feel off
like seriously, why didn't they just make Spider-Man, Miles Morales instead...
@@Storm-C137 true, but if marvel wanted to do a different spider-man, you could've just done Miles Morales... this MCU Spidey mostly aligns with Miles's character more than Peter's character.
@@Storm-C137 true... but if the MCU were going to do miles, what would make Peter and Miles stand out from each other besides race? That's why if you're going to do Peter Parker, do him right... and make him feel like that icon. That's what Tobey did for the live-action Spider-Man!
@@thetypingavocado574 They're not going to use Miles Morales as a way to introduce Spider-Man to the MCU. That's like introducing Wolverine, but instead of using Logan, you use Akihiro or Laura Kinney.
@@thetypingavocado574 Tobey wasn’t a good Spider-Man but great in good Spider-Man films don’t @me
If they mentioned Uncle Ben now, it'd be too little too late.
They can’t it’s already way to late
Yeah it'd feel jarring now. Imagine in spider-man 3 Peter says: I lost someone close to me.
Everyone would think it's iron man lol
Yea true
@@porassrivastava8242 they totally would, Marvel really screwed up Spider-Man and there's no way to fix it.
@@anjinialie8144 It's way too late now with all of the Spider-Verse rumors.
It’s interesting how the MCU thinks the mere MENTION of Ben Parker means rehashing the origin. The FIRST episode of Spectacular, Peter says “I can’t let Harry lose his dad the way I lost Uncle Ben”. No origin required (until way later) In the MCU it’s pretty much “don’t ever mention the B word”, which makes people wonder if he ever existed. Maybe in that continuity May was never married...
They think doing anything else that the other movies already did would be rehashing the origin. It was how they promoted the first movie in interviews. And it sucks because they forget about core elements about the character like uncle Ben just because they don't want to do what the other movies already did
No Way Home feeds this idea of Ben never existing while still fixing Spider-Man.
@@Protosilver97 we will see if uncle ben exist since they are making an animated origin story for peter
@@gogogokuro204Source?
This is why i don't love mcu Peter. He's like 15/16, so that means Ben's death happened wasn't so long ago. Yet he never shows that he's sad, beacuse the person, that was like a father for him died beacuse of him. But he's really sad, beacuse the guy that gave him suit and didn't really cared about him at the beggining died.
People would counter argue that "they don't need to see Uncle Ben dying again", but they forget that it's the consequences of Uncle Ben's death that should always be on display. That's what is missing from the MCU. Even Miles had an Uncle Ben scenario through his own self imposed guilt over not helping his own universe's Peter Parker.
Well, someone did point out something interesting in an earlier clip. They stated "Basing on the rumors of Garfield and Maguire being in Spider-Man 3, I thought in one way on how they can fix this Uncle Ben situation:
Yes, MCU peter had uncle ben and he died, which made Peter become Spidey. However, maybe in the MCU version, he and Uncle Ben hadn't a strong relationship and/or didn't have a direct blood connection. That makes Peter sorry and responsible for UB dying and, consequently, becoming SM - but it didn't have the impact it had in other versions of Peter.
Then Spider-Man 3 comes out and we get to see the previous live-action peters. Throughout the movie, Peter understands the responsibilities of being Spiderman by looking at how AG and TM act as Spidey's. At the end of the movie, MCU peter learns the famous spiderman sentence (With great powers, comes great responsibilities) and, after the villain loses/dies and the other Spideys go away, Peter is a new Spiderman, one that, after so long having the mantle, now finally understands his responsibilities as Spiderman (this could appear on screen like a situation of Peter starting to ignore some crime happening close to him, but quickly going to action to be the friendly neighbor)." - Pedro Maragon
@@bluehero-96 it's only one most like the version of Spider-Man recent memory is the PS4 version and the most common compliments it got was
1. he's older and going to the consequences of living through life as a adult and being Spider-Man
2.they don't even mention his origin story well they do but they don't make a whole deal of it matter of fact you don't even see Uncle Ben's grave if you either a complete the story mode or you go to the graveyard itself and pay your respectsin
@@bluehero-96 spectacular SPIDER-MAN showed us how to do this. What is the MCUs excuse for the writing being so mediocre and having the MCU Peter Parker act like Miles Morales circa 2011
And Aunt May just starts dating Happy like she never even grieved uncle Ben
the spectacular spider-man was the best interpretation of Spider-man ever in my opinion
If only it wasn't cancelled 😭
this and spider-man ps4
Both this and ps4, and miles
Im pretty sure they did more of a favour for them than any other movie can
Don't forget spider-verse. Even if miles was the protagonist, it did a fantastic job representing og spiderman and peter with peter B parker.
After playing spider-man miles morales, i kind of realized that the mcu version of peter parker is really based off miles morales. The mentor figure for peter in becoming a hero in tony stark as opposed to miles using peter as his mentor figure in the game, the best friend in a form of Ned and Ganke that basically supports him from a far, how secret identity isn't really the main focus of miles story the same with peter of MCU so far at least. If you think about it the character almost the same and the story too between spider man miles morales and homecoming
Yeah but Miles at least shows that he understand the risk of how turning a blind eye can show, he could've turned a blind eye to the Underground, but he didn't, he knows he's responsible for his city with his powers, while MCU Peter didn't.
@@lovepreetsingh7549 What is that based on? MCU Spidey is always swinging in to help.
@@lovepreetsingh7549 when did the MCU Spider-man turned a blind eye ?
@Lakeway indeed
SPOILERS BELOW
This gets solved with the death of aunt may in no way home. I know it doesn’t happen the same way as other adaptations but I think it works well, and makes him the friendly neighborhood spiderman that we all know and love, and not some intergalactic warlord who got everything handed to him.
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I think the tobey and andrew also played a part in him reaching his true spidey self too when they explained their losses.
@@benf2682
Not a spoiler
I think your right
Yep, I agree. I think (and hope) that MCU Spiderman is going to start becoming more independent and actually face consequences
Honestly, if they already decided to make Tony Stark important person for him and his mentor, his death should have been "Uncle Ben death" moment. Killing his aunt is useless blow. What will that change? Make him even more miserable, loosing people he loves left and right?
It took 3 movies + civilwar & infinitywar & endgame to be somewhat resemble the core aspects of spiderman? Pshsh
:/ I'm just disappointed
in the MCU being spiderman is a blessing for peter, in good adaptations is a burden
woah. thats some real shit right there
@Connor Blackbird you already can understand its themes by simply looking at the individual components
It’s still a burden... did you watch the movie or go watch hitop (shit ass channel btw thinking raimi is the next citizen Kane LMAO what a nostalgic fool)
@Connor Blackbird it’s been two movies bro where’s the quality
@Connor Blackbird imagine saying people don't have brain cells because they don't share the same opinions as yours
sad
One of the best video essays on this subject. Good job!
Thank you so much!
Hey Pup!
Here’s my opinion i think mcu Spider-Man movies are good movies but not good Spider-Man movie because they miss the point, Consequences Peter doesn’t have any Consequences but tony putting him in time out
Not really. Watch again.
Vikram Prasanna he doesn’t really have any consequences though. So many things go wrong in homecoming and FFH for Peter. Yet he never has to bare any of the struggle by himself. It never truly feels like being spiderman is all that bad for him.
@Connor Blackbird exactly, people brush that off because they want their opinion to be superior, I would also like to add that Peter didn't get to enjoy most of his trip since he was dragged by nick fury to do something he didn't want to, which is pretty relatable for teens imo
@Connor Blackbird exactly my friend! Great analysis and explanation btw 😎
@Connor Blackbird Who died in FFH?
This is an objective fact. MCU Peter Parker always seemed off to me because he is a different character. They stripped him of everything that made Spiderman such an iconic character. Civil War captured essence of the character really well, but later movies dropped the ball.
its an objective fact that he felt off to you, thats a weird way to phrase that lol, just say that you dislike mcu spiderman
How bout now
@@joehicks929 I bet he only saw No Way Home for Toby and Andrew . . .people like him give me that feeling
@@brandonmejia5452 nah
After watching no way home I can say with satisfaction that Sony finally put his character on the right path
i cant wait for the next trilogy
Thank you for understanding . To the people that say this is a different Spider-Man, to them I say if you're changing the character this much , what's the point of making him Spider-Man in the first place. It could have been another character
Ikr they should’ve left Spider-Man out of the MCU yeah everybody wanted it but obviously we were very wrong they should’ve made Tom Holland supposed to be the kid from Iron Man 3 and make him Iron Lad. It would’ve been way better than having an Iron Lad being called “Spider-Man”
@@ShakaHapa exactly!
Hell, even just beating around the bush and making MCU Spidey what he is, that being Miles Morales, would have been a much better approach.
This here makes sense
@@jupiter9045 what?
Spider-Man is always looking for a father figure in the comics, but it's never a replacement to uncle Ben
FINALLY!!!!!! Someone who sees exactly what is wrong with the MCU Spider-Man. It angers me how wrong they got Spider-Man's character especially because of how perfectly setup he was in Civil War. Think about it why was MCU Spider-Man at his best in Civil War? Because the Russos clearly understand what makes Peter tick and they don't wipe their @$$es with his motivation and what drives him to be Spider-Man! The conversation between Peter and Stark IS Spider-Man! They've never been able to recapture that magic and my patience is wearing thin for them to correct this mistake!
The character is more than definitely redeemed in No Way Home
I always looked at it that Stark’s death was a trigger that amplified the grief he had for Uncle Ben, both men he could not save
He could of saved Ben though, thats the entire point of the story
It was Tony's choice though to die, Peter couldn't stop him if he wanted to
MCU Spiderman is not Spiderman, he’s a superhero using Spiderman’s powers
He doesn’t feel like Spiderman to me, he only cares about what Tony would think instead of what Uncle Ben would think
Hell, it makes no sense why Aunt May is ok with Peter being Spiderman since she lost the fucking love of her live to a normal burglar while Peter faces gangsters and murderers on the daily
The reason he fought against the Vulture in Homecoming wasn’t because it was his responsibility but because, and I quote from the movie’s dialogue, “the guy with the wings is the source of the weapons, I gotta take him down”, it doesnt sound as a “its my neighborhood, its my responsibility” but as “im the good guy, hes the bad guy”
Marvel cinematic universe should put or mentioned uncle Ben even in the next spider man movie or other marvel movie that includes peter parker as spider man add miles morales and gwen stacy while they add it
@@redalert923 they are in two deep at this point that mentioning uncle ben would feel out of the blue
there are 5 movies with spiderman and only one elluded to uncle ben
He‘s not Spiderman, he’s Spider-Man.
@Connor Blackbird that the only reason he fought the Vulture was because it’s what he’s supposed to do as a super and not as a hero
@Connor Blackbird Conner Lol is speaking facts idk why you trying act like they not, just because Homecoming and Far from Home are good movies doesn’t mean they don’t have flaws, and they have some big flaws because they ain’t add uncle ben.
"I'm assuming in the next movie Peter will be on the run"
Matt Murdock: I'm a really good lawyer
After nwh I think this message has come across loud and clear for him. So I’m excited to see what happened next with toms Peter
I wish the next spiderman movie sticks to more of a story within Peter's personal life instead of Spiderman's life.
Nick Fury: “We need you to save the WORLD”
Peter: “Lol nope, screw that. I want to have a nice vacation and dating the girl I like”
More like he just went through a series of traumatic events after being dead for five years, losing his role model right in front of his eyes and having the constant pressure of the entire world looking at you to be the next iron man so that you can save the world from the next alien invasion. You’re also ignoring the fact that he gave up the opera date with MJ to go fight the Fire elemental.
Jeez comments like yours are just stupid as hell with like 0 thought put into them.
@@stellarremnant3597, 1. Tony wasn’t Peter’s role model towards Peter until the Civil War film/comic both of which are shitty the comic book stories and the MCU. 2. If anybody was ever more of a parental figure that wasn’t Uncle Ben in the comics it was Daredevil not Tony because Tony didn’t give a shit about Peter until the events of Civil War, so if Peter in the comics were to have severe PTSD from somebody dying in front of him that wasn’t Uncle Ben then it’d be Daredevil because Daredevil is the closest Marvel character that knows the tragedies Peter goes through, and he sympathizes Peter the most out of any Marvel character because they share the most common experiences out of any Marvel superhero characters. 3. The Far From Home and Homecoming MCU’s version of MJ sucks because they made a ginger character black, but yet whenever you take a black character like Black Panther and make him White SJWS get offended by people doing that, and saying it’s White Washing, but if you take a White character and make it Black SJWS are perfectly fine with that for some reason.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
You’re kinda going somewhere else with those accusations of MJ being black. It’s definitely not the same as changing Black Panther’s skin color because Black Panther has more of a cultural significance and it’s strictly in his character that he’s of African descent. You’re getting butthurt over nothing dude, calm down.
@@stellarremnant3597 no thats not an excuse. also thats not something peter does. sure he wants that. but him actually doin it is out of character
@@Saint0999
How is that out of character?
You absolutely knocked it out of the ball park with this one, no wonder something felt off, I really hope Peter relearns the meaning of "With great power comes great Responsibility.", I think that'd be an awesome character arc for our web head, even if it's throughout the course of a few movies, but hey only time will tell. Btw, love The content my guy!
Thank you so much!
Maybe Tobey's Spider-Man can remind him of that in Spider-Man 3.
Uncle Ben will always remain in our hearts, RIP
I thought when the mcu got spider-man we would get the definitive spider-man, but after two solo movie that ain't spider-man to me. Uncle Ben is the catalyst for spider-man. Heck they even are afraid to say the with great power comes great responsibility
"With great power, comes great alcoholism." -Uncle Tony
ha lol uncle tony stank mcu is a joke
Even after No Way Home, I still very much like this video. Good Job on it!
Thank you!
@Erik Kemeey you hack!
Spider-Man without uncle Ben's death is like Batman without his parents' death
Exactly
Not exactly. Mcu Peter Parker doesn’t need to be convinced to fight because he doesn’t want to, but because he doesn’t want to ignore his social life outside of being a hero. Misterio later takes advantage of this internal conflict to steal Edith.
Also tony was never meant to replace Ben, but he someone Peter cared about more than he needed to, and effects his performance as a hero. Happy teaches him that he just needs to be spider man, not iron man. Then he is able to beat the villain
Even post No Way Home it still seems off and lacking since it kinda begs the question where did he get his powers, what made him chose to start to begin with.
guess he just got bitten and then his motivation was to help people? Idk sounds pretty naive to me so glad that no way home addressed that problem
@@blinddig7525 We'll see when they drop the animated prequel Spider-Man series on Disney+.
A lot of these comments aged like milk after No Way Home
SPOILERS FOR NO WAY HOME:
Believe it or not, No Way Home hard counters all of these issues. The Homecoming trilogy acts as the origin story for Spider-Man. The MCU version of the story is a bit out of order, since Peter doesn't lose anyone super important until the third movie, but it helps clarify why he acts the way he does in Far From Home. He still wants to help people, but he doesn't view it as his responsibility until the end of No Way Home. Aunt May's death and dying speech acts as the Uncle Ben moment for the MCU, and while it may be considered nontraditional or not comic book accurate, I feel it plays an important part in the story and feels even more traumatic, given we had time to become attached to Aunt May as a character before she died.
thats why aunt mays death stung so much jesus christ 3 movies of build up
So glad spectacular is getting the hype it deserves, awesome video
I already know where this vid is going, and it’s one of the many reasons why I dislike MCU Spidey. Best modern adaptation of Spidey is still Spidey PS4, alongside Into the Spider-Verse. Best film version will always be Tobey, because it understands Spider-Man and the struggles that come with being Spider-Man.
such a great take, bruv 😔👌
No, Tobey is best Peter Parker. He was a crap Spider-Man. He displayed none of Spidey's personality in costume. Plus he has the eternal shame of being beaten up by Eric Foreman of all people. Garfield had the opposite problem. Horrible Peter Parker, passable Spider-Man.
@@Drums_of_Liberation How? Is it because Tobey doesn't crack jokes?
@@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066 That and his scientific intelligence was never once utilized in any of the films outside of generic school scenes since Raimi went with the stupid organic webs. We got to see Garfield's Peter strut his engineering prowess by building the webshooters. And with Holland we actually see him making his web fluid and even if it wasn't with his own hands make his own suit and gadgets by the climax of Far From Home.
@@Drums_of_Liberation Okay this should be easy
"if you disagree with me about a character thats supposed to bring ppl together youre a terrible person." was that a joke?
wait nvm it was lol
@@AKACHIISBETTER Yep that was a joke poking fun at the Spider-Man fandom for often taking that approach when discussing the character
@@criticalrants tbh when I heard that I got twitter vibes
The scene at 4:23 is SO FUCKING GOOD. Peter truly learnt his lesson on that day, and even when facing a indestructible man like Tombstone he's never willing to look the other way again
Is there any other reason why need Spectacular Spider-Man needs to return?
@Spider-Man Fan449 Better than the movies
as i really want it return...i can't trust nowdays disney to delivered a good marvel show that is marketed toward the Marvel fans not MCU fans
because they could just make super horrible movie adaptation of superhero and MCU fans would love it and call it masterpeice
@@Kittysune12 True😔.
Mcu really tried to replace Ben with "Hip aunt May"😂
ikr lol
Apparently, we weren't seeing the aftermath of his origin but we were actually watching it, leading up to (spoilers for no way home)
Aunt Mays death as a kind of stand in for uncle ben, i think we assumed that momment was with iron man, but no, it was aunt may.
Getting this recommended right after watching "No Way Home" and feeling a satisfaction knowing that every harsh criticism Jon Watts faced for not including Uncle Ben was completely unnecessary. He never wanting MCU Peter to have THAT Uncle Ben in the first place. Which one scene in NWH made especially clear.
Spoiler of course;
"Which one scene in NWH made especially clear." do you mean when Aunt May Died?
@@TheEmeraldCreeper No, the second one on the school rooftop.
@@MBrix-up2wi you mean when Toby and Andrew mentioned their Uncle Ben???
Because Tom’s Spider-Man only got that speech from Aunt May, his Peter never mentioned Uncle Ben at all…
@@shubb-niggurath which is exactly what I said. No mention of Uncle Ben because he is the one who either only had May or not THAT KIND of Uncle Ben Peter 2 snd Peter 3 had.
@@MBrix-up2wi Yeah including Peter Parker when he learn the Uncle Ben name he is like he never heard it before
It would be nice if no way home started with peter visiting ben's grave and asking him honestly what he is supposed to do, and if the multiverse brings spider-ben or some way that peter sees him again to make it easier to explain who Uncle ben is, either way Ben needs to be mentioned at least.
Image in tobey is his uncle Ben
@@ATalesTruth- the only way it could be, and Andrew Garfield should be Aunt May
“I never asked to be Noodley Arm Man... I never asked for these powers!”
Nice job man. Been waiting for someone to show this Spectacular series the respect it deserves.
Thank you my guy
So, what's your origin ???
lol what kind of hero is that? 😂 elongated man?
They took a while but they made it hurt
well this kinda changed after nwh
"I won't ever look the other way again."
They understood the character so well man
Man i don't understand Peter's logic in FFH, Fury tells him that he needs to save the world but Peter wants instead to go to his vacation and spend some time with MJ but if he doenst save the world there's a chance MJ's gonna be in danger alongside his friends like Ned.
You see that where the movie is begging on the audience to be stupid
Because no person with common sense can get behind where Peter is coming from given the context of the threat
Plot twist. The role of uncle Ben in the tom Holland run was (spoiler)
Aunt May
Tombstone: Just remember to look the other way, on any occasion I choose.
Me: You pressed the Ben Parker button.
No Way Home literally dismantled this video
I didn't HATE the MCU spiderman, I just didn't like him either, I still say Maguire's spiderman is best with Garfield's spiderman being a very close 2nd, mainly due to me growing up with Maguire's spiderman.
For the record I think the MCU Spider-man is awful. I look at these characters and I don't see anything resembling Peter Parker, Mary Jane Watson, or Aunt May. They do not exist to to tell good Spider-man stories, they exist to be MCU commercials. For me Spectacular Spider-man is the definitive Spider-man, with the Raimi trilogy as a close second.
They have the best reviews out of any spider-man movie and most people love them lol no one cares ab ur opinion
@@blyki867 fans of the source material care about his opinion, and that's really what matters
Raimi isn’t accurate...
@@raidoukuzonoha883 his peter is close to the stan lee comics, MJ isn't though.
@@TheCapedArtist too much of a wimp
My theory is that Peter did lose Ben, but the impact Peter suffered was so bad, it got to the point that Peter couldn't mention Ben by name because the pain of the memory of losing him would be too much. It's like he locked it up in a vault inside his heart. It would explain why he is clearly referring Ben at some points, but at the same time, explaining why he can't just say Ben's name out loud.
EDIT: Or maybe Ben died when Peter was very young. I don't know
He referenced uncle Ben's death in captain america civil war. And did the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" talk with Tony. He clearly understands and it shows how uncle Ben teached him responsibility. In far from home however he wanted to stay away from everything after everything he saw in endgame and infinity war. I too would try to do the same. Yet the movie and characters remind him again of that lesson uncle Ben told him.
@@isomericgamer6644 I don't know if you've seen No Way Home but Aunt May does say the "with great power comes great responsibility" thing. So we do technically have it
@@TheEmeraldCreeper yeah I'm really glad they let her say that it even confirms my theory even more when he says "I know" implying that his uncle ben told him something similar. And the way he looks immediately at Tobey when he tells him that his uncle ben was killed.
@@isomericgamer6644 im glad we will get an origin story all before he was bitten maybe we will see uncle ben
@@gogogokuro204 same
I personally love the mcu spidey, I’ve know that there was something wrong and couldn’t really put my finger on what exactly (ya know besides the lack of uncle Ben). But I feel like you finally explained what was missing unlike high top films (who makes good videos most the time). I hope they do have a scene where someone asks him why he’s still helping people even while being hunted and gets frustrated until he realizes it’s because he couldn’t save Ben.
@Erik Kemeey I really liked it, no way home genuinely fixed a lot of the issues I might of had. And I hope in the freshman year show we see uncle Ben actually there. But nwh made me realize this trilogy was just a massive origin story, which is really cool.
@Erik Kemeey np and i agree completely
Holy shit you are right, MCU Peter was out of character
How so he's Peter from a different universe 🤔
Before watching No way home: Why Uncle Ben Matters in the mcu Spider-Man trilogy
After watching No way home: Why Uncle Ben DOSEN’T matter in the mcu Spider-Man Trilogy
The only legitimate tangible confirmation that Uncle Ben existed at some point in the MCU from what I've seen is in What If...? Specifically the zombies episode
Dang, I wish I could find a way to watch that cartoon.
I bought a DVD collection online for about $25, which is definitely worth the price, but sadly, it's not on any streaming services at the moment. If you have a bit of extra cash lying around, though, it's soooooo worth the investment
Critical Rants
I got it on dvd as well.
All of the episodes are in Dailymotion uploaded by Audrielle.
Here is the link if you want to watch the S1E1: www.dailymotion.com/video/x76m6x2
use the website SOAP2DAY, its free besides the annoying ads
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This video and comments aged well lol
Honestly with the rumors of Andrew and Tobey returning as their spidermen in the new movie. It'd be cool to see a dynamic of them being the motivation / uncle ben for Tom's spiderman. Someone that really teaches him to never look the other way.
Thank you, anyone can say what they want about the old Spider-Man movies, they worked because they identified who Spider-Man was, who Peter Parker was, and why key moments in his life should be utilized in telling his hero story. Tony Stark is no Ben Parker, MJ is no Mary Jane Watson, and saying "oh, he's a teenager" doesn't take away the responsibility of playing the role of Spider-Man. These people and things are all important to understand both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, he's a flawed hero, and shouldn't be shoehorned into the shadow of Tony Stark to fit the MCU movies. I think the worst thing they could have ever done was deciding to reveal Spider-Man's identity because peaking does exist, and there's nowhere to go once you hit the ceiling.
This did not age well
@@elijahcatacutan2641 No, no it did not. I wish it aged more gracefully because this is awkward.
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Thank you! That means a lot
Honestly, everything you say in this video man, I completely agree and I think the scene you pitched with Peter and spider symbol, it's a great way for the audience to have their mind blow in the theatre. Maybe having Peter just whispering the name *Ben* could be a way for Tom Holland's spider man to stop and think about the situation he's in. Maybe Jon Watts, SONY and Marvel Studios are all watching this video right now and getting their facts straightened out, I think your honesty is the truth about how they treat Peter's personality.
When you really think about it tony got hit with that uncle Ben treatment
how?
And we got, an aunt may... Shit that hurts
Haha imagine seeing this 1 year after this video was uploaded, when it is now believed that Uncle Ben never existed in the MCU's version of spiderman
I really disagree with this idea that Ben has to be present for Spider-Man to become a hero. The assumption is being made that every Peter Parker is the same, had the same personality, and needs the same motivators. Couldn't any loss (if written well) be as impactful to Peter as Ben?
@Stephen O'Brien That's my point. Anything can serve as that moral compass. People are attached to the idea that it MUST be been because that's who is been in most cases. Anything can serve as his moral compass or his motivator for becoming a hero. I appreciate the fact that they've only mentioned Ben twice in the MCU Spider-Man, and the people in his life has been his guiding light.
@Stephen O'Brien But what makes Spider-Man special isn't who made him a hero, but the fact that he becomes one. People are stuck to this cannon for no reason besides that's how it was first done, and that assumes there isn't a better or more clever way to do it. The "mythos" you mentioned was thrown out the window in 1971 when the multiverse was introduced. If there was a world where Ben exists (which has been presented dozens of dozens of times), there also has to be a world where he doesn't (which is less often explored). It can now be completely cannon that Ben is not even a part of Peter's worldview.
I'm saying this as a 35 year old man who grew up with every multi-media version of Spider-Man I consumed telling me the same story, until I read a comic that told it differently, and I still appreciated that Spider-Man's struggle. Why are Spider-Man fans insisting on skinning the same cat the same way when there are other methods and other cats to be skinned?
@Stephen O'Brien So then you care about the individual elements and not the end result? Ben, Peter, May, MJ are all things that have been replaced because while they may be important to some versions of Spider-Man, they don't make up the idea of who Spider-Man is. The multiverse means that not every version of a superhero IS the same, that's there point, it allows them to tell different stories while maintaining certain elements of the hero. Peter Parker is not the same as Miles Morales, Ben Riley, Brian, Mac, Mattie, Junie, etc, and they should all have different stories and different motivations for becoming heroes. And inside of that, different versions of Peter should also have different motivators.
Remember, Spider-Man is the hero, Peter or whoever else they use is just a plot device. The entity who swings around the city with super strength, sticking to surfaces, with spider-sense and shooting webs is Spider-Man. A plot device with powers in a suit. You can change out the plot device and still have Spider-Man.
@Stephen O'Brien Oh, and that was your first time mentioning the multiverse, so how did you previously point out that Ben is still important even though there is a multiverse?
@Stephen O'Brien Alluding to and mentioning are very different things. And you're right, all those individual elements make up something that is greater than the sum of it's parts. A car is still a car even if it uses different parts than another car. There needs to be an engine, wheels, and a steering method for it to be a car, regardless of the type or quality of of frame that houses those elements.
For Spider-Man to be Spider-Man he simply needs to have similar powers as what we know as Spider-Man, and a story to tell. Doesn't even have to be a hero, Spider-Man has been a villain plenty of times.
Maybe this is why we don't see eye to eye. The multiverse isn't a 'what if', it's a 'but elsewhere'. It runs alongside what you think of as "main", not just as an offshoot. There is no longer a "main mythos", it's all just what the "camera" is currently being pointed at. You're used to the Spider-Man you grew up with and his story, but all the while, there have been all these other ones that you weren't aware of. There's all these other stories to be told, but Spider-Man fans believe the only true story that should be told, is the one they are used to.
Well shit, they fixed it
no way home kinda sorted out the uncle ben situation, i didnt like toms spiderman but the new movie really won me over
All three of the mcu spider-man movies were just one big origin story for Peter, and it was well done
The spectacular Spider-Man was my introduction to the character and I was hooked
I can’t believe Tom Holland is playing the new Spider-Man!
Crazy how we never got an "Uncle Ben" moment for Tom's Trilogy.
aunt may was mcu uncle ben. she even says the "with great power" line.
@@jaygged6472 I know, I was trying to not spoil it for the two people who haven't watched it yet
They replaced Uncle Ben with fucking Aunt May at the last minute lmao
Which is pure M-SHE-U!
Just rewatched the show on Netflix and loved it because it’s amazing
What a perfect time to get recommended to this video!
I friggin love spectacular spider, I Remember the theme song off by heart
Edit: Rembert
They introduced Spider-Man in the MCU, but only in the bedroom scene during Civil War, when Peter is talking about helping the people that get over looked by the Avengers, because he feels responsible because he has the power to do so. He's been Spider-Man for 6 months up to that point and he would love to do something like use his new strength and speed to be on a football team, but he couldn't before so it wouldn't be right to do so now. Even implied something happened prior that Peter could've prevented but didn't, and now he has to be Spider-Man to make up for it.
Spider-Man has yet to appear in the MCU films since, because responsibility and self sacrifice fell to the wayside in order to feel validation by "Mister Stark" and defending his legacy. So happy that Spider-Man made his long awaited second appearance in the MCU during No Way Home.
Or as I call No way home "Iron Boy 3: The birth of spiderman"
@@smurby lmao
@Erik Kemeey You don't know how to read, do you?
This was one of the best Spider-Man videos I have ever watched on UA-cam, you made me realize that Spider-Man is my favorite character, thanks, loved the video
I’m so glad someone made this video. because in my opinion, Ben’s death is the most impactful moment in Spider-Man’s life, more than the spider bite.
5:03 had me dying for some reason. 😂🤣
But yes the MCU spiderman could learn from sprectacular spiderman. I agree with you.
Man , spectacular spiderman was like Peter Parker face in the video game , it was perfect and then , they ended it.
I like how your video was on point for the Spider-Man we thought we knew in the MCU. I believe Tom's Spider-Man will have a whole other level of depth and sense of responsibility moving forward.
And then no way home happened
I’ve been stressing this point since homecoming dropped , but people always say you’re blinded by nostalgia when mentioning Sam raimi spider-man.
I love how he calls people horrible just for disagreeing with his opinion
No Way Home has in a sense, done what this video asked the MCU to do. My only gripe is MCU Spiderman has seemingly been confirmed to not have an Uncle Ben. But to take what Ben does to most and to replace it with May was a great way to give Peter the Loss he needed to find that sense of responsibility
Actually in the What if... Disney+ Series Peter mentions uncle Ben in a zombie episode, and while that may not be canon to the current MCU timeline, the Peter parker is overall the same because the timeline changing is only a branched timeline, so it basically confirms that Ben does exist
@@Bradon_Ray What if Isn't Canon to the MCU
@@Shandit_AJ Not to the current timeline no, but the what if episode where this happens is caused by Janet van dyne bringing back a virus from the quantum realm, which causes a branched timeline which means everything before that happened is the same as the MCU until that branch, which means that Peter has an Uncle Ben, because Uncle Ben died before the events of Ant Man and the Wasp, which is where the branched timeline happened which led to the what if episode.
Saying that Peter doesn't have an uncle Ben in the MCU because "what if isn't canon" is like saying that one general who appears in the captain carter what if episode who we never seen in Captain America never existed in the MCU because "what if isn't canon" that's not how this works, what if episodes are timelines that branched from the MCU timeline, which means everything that happens before that branch is the EXACT same as the MCU, which means that Peter does have an uncle Ben in the MCU, because it happened before the events that caused the timeline to branch in the first place
@@Bradon_Ray No, What if. The Entire Series. Is not Canon to the MCU at all. It's set in alternative universes. Thus it's not Canon to the MCU
@@Shandit_AJ No it's set in branched timelines, did you even watch Loki to understand the concept of branched timelines? It also states at the beginning of every what if episode that it's branched timelines, which means they branched from the main MCU timeline, PLUS Kevin Feige even said that what if is canon
Why i love mcu spider-man for me he's more realistic. Im 16 also and every time i see peter make a decision in the movies i agree with it and could see myself doing the same. I also understand and connect with his pain more than the other spider men.
Like how he was sadden about the death of iron man. See for me tony being peters 2 uncle ben works for me. Uncle ben will always be important to peter, he is why peter is Spiderman. Tony is peters inspiration to want to do more and help more.
Tony makes peter want to try harder so he can save more lives and prevent more deaths so that less uncle ben moments happen. "When you can do the things i can but you dont bad things happen cause of you".
Also mcu peter cares more about people than the other spidermen in my opinion. See toms peter is given so many opportunitys to look the other way.
Like in homecoming he could have done what tony said and stop going after vulture he didnt. Vulture told peter to look away and have fun with his daughter he didnt. In infinity war he could have looked away when Maw attacked he didnt. Also tony sent him back to Earth but peter still choose to go to space and fight thanos.
Yes i get that in far from home he was more reluctant to help nick but i feel like he was more justified in doing so. He died for 5 years, watched tony die, and was brought back into a world were everything moved on thats not an easy thing i assume.
Even then he still chose to fight the elementals. He chose to tell Nick about mysterio. And finally he chose to go back and stop mysterio for good.
I will admit that mcu peter should have more consequences, but i feel like the whole world knowing his identity is a step in the right direction.
Theres alot more i can say but this comments long enough. I do wanna here some thoughts though i wanna here peoples arguments or if people agree with me.
P.s also sorry for any grammar mistakes.
Finally some who understands the MCU like me.
Your one of the saviors in the comment section and I think you for that. As one of the people who love MCU Spiderman, I was watching this video and I feel like they’re not explaining his character right. I’m happy you’re doing the right thing because you know that some thing felt wrong watching this video
I love all Spider-Man interpretations in general
He's not realistic he acts very immature but FFH was a step in the right direction as they tried to make Peter more mature.
@@FlipFilms7928 dude you're literally crying on every comment chill out people have different opinions. This video understands MCU Spidey and what are the flaws with it. Your Spidey isn't perfect but neither is mine
I like how the MCU subverted the Uncle Ben with having Aunt May die and leaving Peter with no one
Be careful what you wish for
Well I guess this aged very well
How is that for a turn of events
Everything about this vid, and some of the comments I read are straight out of my brain. I've said this myself and it's the main reasons I don't like the MCU Spider-Man. And him constantly having his mask off in front of EVERYONE. They force this father son thing on us, and make it all that Peter seems to care about; as well as making him borderline ADD. People try to defend it saying he's young, but when every other interpretation of the character is close to what he's supposed to be I just can't accept that. I feel like Peter in CW was his best even though he wasn't in there very long. We get hints at his backstory, and Uncle Ben when Peter says "when you can do the things I can and you don''t and the bad things happen they happen because of you" then Tony says so you're just looking out for the little guy, and Peter stutters his response saying "yeah that's it". To me that was them acknowledging Uncle Ben's death, but Peter just couldn't talk about it. None of this exists in his solo movies, and they suffer because of it.
Blame Sony 🤷🏾♂️