Why Bran Eats People in the books and Meera might not be safe 😨
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Did you know Bran Stark's warging of animals leads to eating people and Meera might not be safe? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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I somehow keep forgetting just how screwed up he is in the book….
Is there other stuff he does in the books thats messed up? Do yk why he ate the mutineers?
@@alexisk360 he didn’t know he was eating the mutineers until after the fact. It was Coldhands so killed the group and showed back up with meat to cook.
But chances are he ate Jojen (paste) and he might get very creepy with Meera
Who has a better story?
@@jay-1800 no, bran was warging into summer and came across the wolves of varamyr sixskins. they had killed the men and after chasing the wolves away summer ate from their bodies.
@@alexisk360 he had sent summer out to hunt and warged into him. then they came across other wolves who had hunted and killed the men. so in that moment he didn't seem to think much about it, it was just available food to him. i don't recall anyone warning him not to do that (we learn about these taboos from another character). so he had no ill intent here. i think the danger is that it makes it harder to separate the human and the animal minds. after that he starts to spent more time warging into a raven so he can fly, which is something wargs are warned not to do to much. bran is losing the connection to the human world more and more and eating human flesh was one big step into that direction.
He lost the use of his lower half and went from being completely helpless to completely powerful. GRRM always shows how power corrupts so I’m afraid this is where it will lead.
Hodor is a big guy who can easily force his body on the girl
@@Kyle-nm1khKinky!
Does power corrupt or does it reveal
@@joseystrife8780 there's nothing corrupt about power. The corruption doesn't come from the power itself but from the individual who makes a choice using free will.
Absolute power Corrupts ABSOLUTELY
In the show, they really underplayed just how horrendous Bran was for doing this. The books adamantly tell you how evil this was.
Seriously, Bran is fucking NINE, he's not fully grasping what is it that he's doing with his powers.
@@motivated2473he is doing it by intuition as well, no one ever taught him about the rules of warging.
As far as the 7 kingdoms are concerned, warging is “horror” story for little kids their babysitters tell them before bed. Bran probably doesn’t even know that what he is doing is warging and the implications/dangers of it.
In which case an evil powerful player taking over the throne could be an interesting and a shocking ending, instead of what we got, where it just seems random.
He was still screwed up in the show by telling her own sister that she was beautiful on the day she was rpd by Ramsay
What are you referring to? Sansa and Bran didn't reunite before Ramsay got offed @@arnstoff3212
Always knew that kid was meant to become a monster at some point...Mating through Hodor? Is this why is Winds is taking so long?
Well not like holddoor hasn't mated
😂
I want 100 pages of Meera x Bran Hodor
Yeah it’s taking so long because the neckbeard train conductor is putting more rape into the story
Ayo what
Pushing him through a window looks better now, huh?
Lol no he’s still just a kid trying to understand everything that’s happening to him. His story is so dark though
😂😂
My boi Jaime should've yeeted Bran out that window 😂
I mean on one hand baby Hitler. Right? On the other hand. He wouldn't have unlocked the twisted power personality of he had legs
Isn’t that the reason he first unlocked the Warg powers in the first place? I understand in runs in the blood of the descendants of the First Men, but he didn’t know how to utilize it until his injury.
For anyone thinking that this plotline has a happy ending, they clearly aren't familiar with the writing of George RR Martin
true haha
I think people who believe George has an aversion for positive outcomes are the ones who aren't familiar with his writing. He himself said his ending will be bittersweet which means there will be tragedy but also hope and some degree of happiness.
It seems as if he doesn't have in mind for any of the Starklings to complete their trainings that would make them to villains, but will rather turn against the darkness that has arisen inside them in some type of way. It is foreshadowed for Sansa to turn against Littlefinger, we know Arya is lying to the Faceless men and not actually losing her identity, Bran is in the middle of something, but considering that he is foreshadowed to be King and that George wanted him to be, we can imagine he will defeat or put aside the dark side of himself before it is too late. Not saying that a dark ending for him is impossible but a neutral or sweet ending is just as much possible at that point ^^
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 keep in mind George originally intended there to be some odd lovers triangle between Tyrion, Arya, and Jon AND for Jaime to sit the iron throne after killing his bastard children.
@@lunahyacinth6335 Keep in mind that Jaime on the Throne after killing the people in the line of succession before him was planned to happen way before the ending and that the love triangle was cancelled + that the characters probably had very different ages originally. First outlines of books are usually a bit trashy. Seems like he replaced Jaime's villain arc with Cersei's who originally did not exist and the brother sister incest love seems to have been replaced by Jaime x Cersei.
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay to Theon
Honestly, I always kinda felt like Bran was always on a path toward being seduced to the dark side, so to speak.
But remember he "has the best story".
I think that may well end up being true but so far in the books there’s very few view pov chapters for Bran compared with other characters
Best king ever
💀💀💀
@@mical7430All hail Brandon of House Stark, King of the Andals, the First Men, and the Rhoynar, Lord of the Six Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm, Doer of Nothing for multiple seasons, The Broken, Granter of Independence to the North and his older sister all but guaranteeing generations of warfare between His Six Kingdoms And Her Newly Independent Northern One, and He who has the best story.
Ya know for the man with “the best story” why are all his chapters so fucking bad, listened to the audiobook just for the bran chapters so I wouldn’t have to read then myself
So Bran is canonically worse than a furry
You love watching these, dont you?
@@elongatedmuskrat6767hell yeah
He's the ultimate furry cos he doesn't have to dress as an animal
I dunno he's a cool furry. Instead of wearing a costume he wears a dangerous large wolf.
Didn’t know that was possible…
Some speculate that the Three Eyed Raven (Max Von Sydow) tricked Bran into freeing him, and that the reason Bran acts so cold after escaping the cave of vines is that the Three Eyed Raven warged into Bran, and now he rules Westeros in Bran’s body.
This is an A+ theory
does the theory that the three eyed raven warging into the boar the killed robert beratheon have any validity to it? bc i like the idea and it would be a great concept adding more depth to the story. just don’t know if it’s true or just a theory
Now, THAT’S a plot.
Considering the Crow's history, that would be very possible and make a lot of sense. Rivers power and knowledge are massive.
@@user-eo4ti4ve8j but what would the 3 eyed Raven gained by killing Robert?
I always thought that Bran in the show is a monster. He didn't just allow Hodor to sacrifice himself, he literally lobotomized Hodor and took away his entire life without Hodor's consent.
Although in the show, I fantasize that Hodor was made whole again in the last moments. He holds the door not as a simple person doing what he's told, but as a regular person which choosen to do the heroic thing.
Well technically he didn't know because he was already living in the paradox
Yes😊😊
how could he? Hodor was ten feet below the spectrum. Brain so small it rattled around in his head like a peanut.
@@troypayne6701 In the show it is shown that Hodor was a regular guy until Bran reached back in time and made him into what we saw in the series. It didn't happen in the books (not yet anyhow).
Truth be told, it could have been worse. Bran "mating" with Meera while warging in Summer.
For my own sanity, I will assume you are talking about one of the four (annual in the real world) seasons.
Don't give G R R Martin any ideas
She is a white woman afterall
💀💀💀💀
Just physically gagged, thank you for that🤮🙈🙈
Bran becoming a rapist is something we don’t need but I can honestly see happening.
Since when is GRRM concerned with what we need or don’t need?
Holdoor needs offspring. Of course
Hasnt he already raped the tv series with the ending anyway 😢
I'm starting to believe the theory about the shows ending. It is said that Bran (or 3 eye Raven) manipulated the entire kingdom in order to rule the 7. It only makes sense now because Jon KNEW in the end when he was saying goodbye to them all. The video is called " GOT evil ending "
@@ofmanyoneget out
I feel like the book version of almost all characters are psychopaths or irresponsible children with too much power
Unless Davos
BRAN DONT DO THAT TO HODOR NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If he holds the door and is devoured then it’ll be awesome 😊
Honestly, if bran wants that girl. He should do it himself instead of using some giantbane.
@@KyuuDesperationhe’s crippled and can’t have sex with his own body captain big brain.
@@KyuuDesperationHe has crippled lower part
@@thedreamscripter4002 crippled legs doesn't mean crippled balls
This is the ASOIAF theory I hate the most
Yep but you need to realise the Bran you see in the show and books are 2 completely different things
It's Dumb show-only normies trying to explain Season 8
This is not Bran's character at all.
Sure he's skinchanging into Hodor as a way to feel whole again and trying to rationalize it despite knowing that it's totally wrong deep down. It's not right, but it's understandable.
I think he will be confronted by this sooner or later and would be appalled by his own actions.
However Bran loves Hodor and it says so explicitly in the books. At the Harvest feast at Winterfell, it was his duty to send choice dishes to some of the great Lords to show House Stark's gratitude, yet he sent one to Old Nan and Hodor, two _servants_ for _'no other reason than he loved them'_
["...The serving men brought every dish to Bran first, that he might take the lord’s portion if he chose.
By the time they reached the ducks, he could eat no more. After that he nodded approval at each course in turn, and waved it away.
If the dish smelled especially choice, he would send it to one of the lords on the dais, a gesture of friendship and favor that Maester Luwin told him he must make.
He sent some salmon down to poor sad Lady Hornwood, the boar to the boisterous Umbers, a dish of goose-in-berries to Cley Cerwyn, and a huge lobster to Joseth the master of horse, who was neither lord nor guest, but had seen to Dancer’s training and made it possible for Bran to ride.
_He sent sweets to Hodor and Old Nan as well, for no reason but he loved them_ ..."]
When the Frey boys were mocking and teasing Hodor, it was Bran who leapt to his defense
["...Little Walder cast his splintered lance aside, spied Bran, and reined up.
“Now there’s an ugly horse,” he said of Hodor.
“Hodor’s no horse,” Bran said.
“Hodor,” said Hodor.
Big Walder trotted up to join his cousin.
“Well, he’s not as _smart_ as a horse, that’s for certain.”
A few of the White Harbor lads poked each other and laughed.
“Hodor.” Beaming genially, Hodor looked from one Frey to the other, oblivious to their taunting. “Hodor hodor?”
Little Walder’s mount whickered.
“See, they’re talking to each other. Maybe hodor means ‘I love you’ in horse.”
“You shut up, Frey.”
Bran could feel his color rising.
Little Walder spurred his horse closer, giving Hodor a bump that pushed him backward.
“What will you do if I don’t?”
“He’ll set his wolf on you, cousin,” warned Big Walder.
“Let him. I always wanted a wolfskin cloak.”
“Summer would tear your fat head off,” Bran said.
Little Walder banged a mailed fist against his breastplate.
“Does your wolf have steel teeth, to bite through plate and mail?”
“Enough!” Maester Luwin’s voice cracked through the clangor of the yard as loud as a thunderclap. How much he had overheard, Bran could not say… but it was enough to anger him, clearly.
“These threats are unseemly, and I’ll hear no more of them. Is this how you behave at the Twins, Walder Frey?”
“If I want to.” Atop his courser, Little Walder gave Luwin a sullen glare, as if to say, _You are only a maester, who are you to reproach a Frey of the Crossing?_
“Well, it is not how Lady Stark’s wards ought behave at Winterfell. What’s at the root of this?”
The maester looked at each boy in turn.
“One of you will tell me, I swear, or-”
“We were having a jape with Hodor,” confessed Big Walder. “I am sorry if we offended Prince Bran. We only meant to be amusing.” He at least had the grace to look abashed.
Little Walder only looked peevish. “And me,” he said. “I was only being amusing too.”
The bald spot atop the maester’s head had turned red, Bran could see; if anything, Luwin was more angry than before.
“A good lord comforts and protects the weak and helpless,” he told the Freys. “I will not have you making Hodor the butt of cruel jests, do you hear me? He’s a goodhearted lad, dutiful and obedient, which is more than I can say for either of you.”
The maester wagged a finger at Little Walder. “And you will stay out of the godswood and away from those wolves, or answer for it.” Sleeves flapping, he turned on his heels, stalked off a few paces, and glanced back. “Bran. Come. Lord Wyman awaits.”
“Hodor, go with the maester,” Bran commanded.
“Hodor,” said Hodor. His long strides caught up with the maester’s furiously pumping legs on the steps of the Great Keep. Maester Luwin held the door open, and Bran hugged Hodor’s neck and ducked as they went through.
“The Walders-” he began.
“I’ll hear no more of that, it’s done.” Maester Luwin looked worn-out and frayed. “You were right to defend Hodor, but you should never have been there...."]
Bran, book Bran is a sweet natured child and although his actions in skinchanging into Hodor is disturbing, I'm sure he'll have a major 'come to Jesus' moment about his treatment of Hodor.
As yet he's just a child seeking for a sense of the normalcy he had before the Kingslayer threw him from that tower.
What I don't get is people who probably never read the books saying that he'll freaking rape Meera. There is _literally nothing_ in his character to support that idea
They're just salty about how the show ended and are looking to demonise him.
They never understood this series or this author in the first place.
@@gerardjagroo İt is good to see someone who actually read the serie commenting. İt is impossible to understand some people there. The thing I wonder is if these people see a 9 years old traumatized child as a pure evil monster and believe he could do such a horrible thing because of some of his flaws, what do they feel about other POV characters?
@@kubrakaragulle9484 to be fair, plenty of good POV characters did horrible things because of some of their flaws.
@@kubrakaragulle9484are you new to hoe GRRM writes things or what? You don't set up rules to something, if you're not going to break them. It's called writing and foreshadowing
Wouldn't surprise me if Martin wrote those rules specifically for Bran to violate
Three Eyed Raven: So there are three rules...
Bran: I'm gonna speedrun them any% lmao
Varamyr warging into his female wolf while it's getting F'd to try how it feels still crack me up.
THANK YOU! I could not remember that dude's name! Varamyr. I clearly remember that bit. But, what are the consequences to breaking these "rules"?
Its a social convention among wargs i think. Like how it might be considered bad to walk into a holy place with shoes on in some cultures.
I use that as an example though because im sure wargs themselves believe that there might be some terrible consequence, as do some believe about the consequences of going shoeless on holy grounds.@@christinerobbins9376
@@christinerobbins9376I asked myself that too.
@@christinerobbins9376Losing their humanity and becoming a psychopath, a person who can't empathise or care about anyone? Becoming a monster who is a danger to everyone, including their own soul?
Varamyr 6 skins. “Abomination!”
At least THIS Bran has a very interesting story indeed..
Wonder if Martin told the showrunners a lot of true ending parts and they just horrible butchered the execution trying to get the same ending as him, but makes 0 sense with missing a lot of context. Then again, so much was just shit and simply bad like the Winterfell defense...
@@c4gstorm878 yeah he said it himself in an interview. Which means Bran is planned to become king at the end of the series, although it will be as a VERY different character than the one we got in the show
@@mattb.7079I don't remember GRRM saying anything about Bran having the same ending as the show
@@ramiru3264 he said he gave the showrunners the overall plotlines and endings of all major characters, although maybe he changed his mind since then (assuming he'd ever finish the series)
Joffrey Baratheon appears normal well behaved kid before book bran now 💀💀
I’m just saying… Bran is the potential villain we should be worried about.
If bran just did nothing the white walkers would never have crossed the wall
@@ryansauchuk7290 In terms of the show, I kinda blame that one on Jon and the gang. They were the ones who went North in search of a White Walker and ended up giving the Night King a dragon to bring down the wall.
@@tjjordan4207show took a big hit post season 6. Let's forget that abomination ever happened beyond the wall.
@@zaimhassan6490 personally, the show ended with season 6.
I remember being so happy and looking forward to the armada and the dragons reaching Westeros. Nobody knew what was about to happen. GoT went meta and it killed itself.
and they make him king.
brandon is gonna be a very sadistic ruler
Bean the broken gon become Bran the Breaker real fuckin quick
That's what people get for listening to Tyrion 🤦♀️
Plot twist: Brandon betrayed the old gods and joined the four chaos gods from Warhammer fantasy universe and become their agent.
Slaneshs new champion Brandon Stark
Do those words mean something?
DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR.
@@edmis90 Warhammer 40k I presume
@@goncaloferreira8543 You presume correctly.
I really hope this isn’t the case but I can see it happening, Martin didn’t make the 3 rules a warg couldn’t do until the prologue of ADWD. Bran had already broken 2 of the 3 before that book came out and I think George tacking on the not mating while warged rule has to mean something…
Maybe he’s just going to mate with a wolf as summer?
IDK, these rules seem like common sense to me, rules 1 and 2 are literally "don't practice c4nib4lism or b3sti4lity", it's pretty obvious doing it is gonna mess up your head, maybe GRRM just wrote it because these rules would kinda be like common knowledge to wargs?
I always figured that Bran becoming the king at the end of the show was no happy ending. He is an overly powerful immortal who knows and sees everything. He is kind of like a medieval AI. He, or at least his consciousness, can find ways to rule forever. Can he be trusted to help humanity... or does keeping the balance mean taking actions against human kind? With the Others gone - a symbolic representation of the natural elements threatening mankind - Bran now represents a new future - technology and singular consciousness. Terrifying outcome if you think about it.
Also Bran probably ate Jojen paste
That is, paste made FROM Jojen, not BY Jojen.
Honestly, shit like that is why I don’t see GRRM making him king at the end.
Like maybe the Lord of Whispers for whom ever takes the throne would make sense.
I think he’d be better suited as a last villain on the books. After defeating the others, Dany realizes how bad he is and wants him killed. Jon and the Starks want to protect him. We see both sides go way too far to defend what they think it’s right. Bran attacking Dany directly, if GRRM is still going with the mad queen theory, Jon having to ultimately kill Bran.
@@era95v Imagine Bran warging into one of her dragons
@@brucejedilee5290could he do that? Or control dany
@@unforgiven1889 I see no reason why he couldn't
@@unforgiven1889 we’ve seen warg into people before so it wouldn’t be unthinkable for him to do that. Even if it’s not for a long period, he can still cause her to do small things that she can’t remember leading to her and those around thinking she’s losing her mind.
To me it would feel fitting to Brans character, who more and more becomes demanding and "king-like". He does seem to enjoy the power he now has and is clearly abusing it already. He doesn't seem to care all that much anymore what others think and GRRM does like stories of power corrupting people.
We also have precedents of a person warging into a beast that was in heat, leading to a wolf orgy. Also, setting up those rules and then not breaking them at some point, does feel weird.
As much as I hate this idea, it simply makes tonnes of sense given all the context. People always say "but Bran is just a boy", to which I say: Joffrey was a little boy too. Its not like kids cant be cruel and when given too much power and even encouragement by someone like the three eyed raven, we cant say for certain, that a sweet young boy wouldn't do that. Because Bran has stopped being a regular young child a long time ago.
Maybe he will try it the nice way a few times, warging into Hodor and making advances, but when Meera rejects him (which would be pretty obvious and what she already did once in the books and that wasn't even a proper advance) he might not take no for an answer.
Also, this might be the catalyst of him realising how much he has changed. I cant think that GRRM would write in something like this without some narrative reason. So maybe he does it, realises how fucked up and evil he has become and then dedicates himself to not be such an abomination. To be good. Which of course he never truly can be after that, but saving the world from certain doom would at least tip the scales of good vs bad in his favour. Kinda like Jaime.
Good points, and a light of hope haha
He was the villain all along…
Maybe Jamie should’ve pushed a bit harder after all…
And dumass Tyrion made him king... 🤦♀️
He shouldn't have pushed at all...
Bro this literally happens BECAUSE Jamie pushed him.
We never found out much about the night king. Somehow i think that if bran breaks these rules, he could potentially be the night king or help reveal his true identity. There have always been parallels between bran and the night king. Its almost as if the night king seems to be targeting bran both north and south of the wall. The fact that bran seems to be able to travel through time and that the one who built the wall was bran the builder, who is also a stark that helped take down the night king in the past before his long slumber just makes me wonder about their connection. Besides, we can't rule out the possibility that the night king could've been a stark before the children of the forest turned him.
The worst part about this theory is how likely it might end up being true is lol
I mean, Bran did not just eat human flesh as Summer. Like. Coldhands suddenly finding a boar or whatever animal he says it is, right when they've not seen food for days and Summer hasn't picked up any kind of prey since... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Also ... Bran has been routinely snacking on "JoJen paste" on their journey to the Bloodraven. Does that not count as "eating the flesh of men?"
@@christinerobbins9376As much as I follow that theory myself, it's not canon (yet).
And technically the cannibalism for wargs rule only counts if you are warging, since people generally assume that you wouldn't do it by yourself.
Honestly, if bran does do that to meera, I’m done with the books. 😭
Yeah itll be hard to read the chapter with only 1 free hand..
No fr and also to hodor? Like he’s technically raping both of them as he’s forcing both of them into sex they don’t want to do
I'm thinking it might be more implied, the way Jojon paste is.
@@JayKay-on2grew wtf
@@JayKay-on2gryo bro wtf
I don’t think you commit a rule, you either follow it or break it
No one has ever told Bran these rules and he’s about 9 years old ffs. If it had all been explained to him by an older warg and he went ahead and did it anyway it’d be fucked up but I think it’s understandable.
Maye with rule number three since he didn't know the consequences but with rule number one it's harder to explain, even though we was in a wolf body his brain was still human, eating human meat shouldn't be something he would consider doing
i think these are the kind of "rules" that don't need to be explained to people and doing these things would be a taboo, just like a 3 yo neurotypical child wouldn't commit murder or r*pe although it's not necessarily taught to them that they shouldn't be doing it. these things leave a bad sensation and hodor expressed his inconformity already.
"There are three rules a warg must follow."
"There are three taboos a warg must not commit."
Hope that helps!
Thank you 😂😂 it definitely is a better title and makes more sense
Taboos that should not be broken
Bran in the show: 😃
Bran in the books: Morals? I do not know the meaning of this word...
His moral compas went out the window
I could understand how this Bran will end on the Iron Throne. He is younger than in the show, definitely more messed up and will probably manipulate events in his favor.
Why Bran Eats People in the books and Meera might not be safe: This video does not tell me WHY Bran eats people, just HOW he did it and that in doing so he broke a rule.
Its called reaf the books
He eats people as summer because he's warging while summer is eating corpses and it makes him feel as if he has eaten.
He also eats mysterious meat by Coldhands that is definitly human when that is the only food they have.
And then there is the very likely Joyen paste theory, that the Three Eyed Raven and the Children of the Forrest are making Joyen into the paste that Bran consumer without knowing what it contains.
Now That just gave "King Bran the Broken" a whole lot more meaning, even thou unintentionally...
I thought Bran was going to Warg into a baby to steal their body, and accidentally become the ice king. I was kinda sad that it didn't happen.
Yeah Bran becomes a king but which king? 🧐 I think you're onto something
@@morgan4574 in the show the White Walker that touches Bran whilst he is looking into the past, he had the same nose and face... I genuinely thought it was gonna turn out that Bran was the first Stark to say "winter is coming" and it would have gone full circle...
Instead the show did what it did.
Looks like there's a very good reason show fans didn't trust Bran. He could very likely become worse than Joffrey or Ramsay.
I hated him in the show too. Like Hodor clearly wanted no parts of violence. And bran just didn't care. He's no different than any other high borne in that universe using lowborns for his own purpose.
The suspicious human meat cold hands gets. The wolves pov and such. Bran is basically doing everything 6 skins was warned not to do
Bran did say he wanted to hold meera while in Hodor so it could go either way on that end.
"Bran is the biggest villain in the entire story, Because he manipulated the past and present so that makes him a king for six kingdoom" Jamie Lancaster
Martin has to release TWOW to end all these fucked up theories
He didn't comfort her. He thought about it, but he didn't do it.
I don't think Meera is going to be ok with having sex with Hodor.
There is a theory in the books, that while in the cave of the Three Eyed Raven, the red goop that Bran eats is actually made from the body of Jojen Reed.
Big galaxy brained prediction: Bran becomes the main antagonist in the books.
Wellll, I don’t think Meera would be consenting to sex with Hodor. So it would be rape.
Not only would it be considered rape against Meera, but rape against hodor as well. As Bran would be forcing Hodor to have sex w Meera as well, so he’s be raping both essentially
Its heavily implied in the books and lightly in the series that he will be the final big bad
how is that? can you explain to me? I already finish ADWD but being non native speaker I have difficulties with Bran chapters.
@@faisal5367 I feel like @erickarreola8851 made a bit of an overstatement. It is a part of the lore that the man who now is the three eyed raven, definitly isn't a good person. It is also geavily implied, that he had thousands of previous "Brans" that didn't make it. Jojen disappears and is nowhere to be found and suddenly Bran is served a weirwood paste, looking like blood and also tasting like it. Also, with not much food there, it isn't like they have much to make any sort of paste and Coldhands, who was definitly sent to them by Bryndon Rivers, the three eyed raven, already fed them human flesh. So it isn't much of a stretch to say, that Jojen was probably made into this paste, so that Bran could expand his greenseer powers.
Bran already broke many of the taboos and is pretty cruel to Hodor. We haven't had the Hold the Door moment in the books, but GRRM already said, something similiar was coming. It is said, that Bran basicly takes over Hodor whenever he likes and when he does so, Hodors inner self already cowers like a whipped dog, not even fighting back anymore. Hodor is even afraid of Bran at this point.
Another thing is, that he thinks about taking over Hodor to comfort Meera rather than just doing it as himself. Bran basicly uses Hodor as his legs and Summer for when he wants excitement and the thrill of the hunt. He ate humans as a wolf and also as a man. He basicly has overstepped every moral boundry one could have other than rape and malicious murder. So as described in this short, it isn't far off to assume that he might turn into a horrible person, guided by someone we know has no good intentions and only sees the bigger picture.
So, while Bran isn't built up as the big bad of the whole series, it is very clear to see, that he is acting villainous. He gets less and less moral with every oassing day in that cavern and he abuses his power already. Just like Joffrey, who abused his powers when he became king, Bran abused his powers as soon as he got them. He couldn't care less about the realm at this point, he wants to be the three eyed raven, to be powerful and to do the things he wants.
He clearly likes Meera, he is developing feelings for her and he himself cant really do much. But he can let other people do what he wants and experiences those things through them. So any variation of him warging intl someone to have sex with Meera, isn't far off at all. Although I find it not really unlikely, that he might warg into Meera, so that he can make her like him. Would fit Bran maybe a bit more, since Hodor raping her cant be what he desires. He probably wants her to love him and if he can make her say that and feel that, he could brainwash her or even control her during the whole ordeal. But if nothing works hips downwards, then the Hodor theory becomes viable again.
All that said though, Bran clearly starts to develop some troubling characteristics
oh I see. i'm not paying attention to the three taboos among wargs. then I wonder what are the implication and consequence for Bran already broken all three taboos? is he can become much stronger warg by going where other warg afraid to broke the boundaries? Yeah I agree Three Eyed Raven aka Bloodraven is very sus at Bran chapter, but what exactly his motive and goal we wouldnt know yet until WOW.
I just realized that what Bran did to Hodor is the biggest of three taboos and its considered evil doing.
Well, if what you said is true, then I think what Erika said is not entirely wrong, given Bran is clueless with the moral guide and ethic of his work (warging and stuff) and he got a mentor who's most likely a sinister one and guide him to a wrong path. IMO at the end Bran will be somewhat no less darker than other powerful figures who played the games, like Euron, Dany, Jon, and the Others themselves.@@Baalslegion07
@@faisal5367 yeah, i too think, he'll end up somewhere dark. Maybe he'll be the king in the end, but as the king of the others. I truly cant see this kid rule kings landing as anything but an evil mage. And appearantly he will also be iing in the books... sooo yeah. Who knows if we ever get those books but to me, Bran is very unlikely to really become anything resembling something good. He has every chance to turn further to evil and no reasons not to do so.
In regards to how him breaking taboos aids him: I dont think he knows about those taboos. He doesn't break them because breaking rules is cool, he does so, because he is either forced to do so, or because he can and noone can tell him not to do so. I think it definitly gives him an edge over other wargs, since he will be trained at abilities that thise other wargs font dare to train or even think of using. So while slme wargs might be pretty aweslme at warging birds or wolves, Bran will be very good at warging people, which in the end is much better. A beast might be strong, but imagine a zombie like the mountain being under Brans control, or maybe a horde if mindless servants! He could end up on the throne by simply warging into the king and ruling from that cave.
Bran breaking thise raboos simoly lets him train abilities others with his magical prowess did not train. And tgat gives him an edge over other wargs and greenseers
I will re read the books but _never_ got any big baddie vibe from his chapters. In the show though, he's psycho in the last 2 seasons and a half. GRRM writes grey characters that do bad things but can have a redemption. I think Bran will have that "dark side" moment, like Arya, like Tyrion (who's messed up in the books), like Theon, like Jaime, like The Hound... I don't think it's implied he'll be a villain.
There is a description of Hodor’s member in the books,”…it hung low and heavy…”. When this happens, meets reed will likely die as a result.
I always imagine Bran slipping in a Dragon.
I thinked OF THAT AND ITS TERRYFING ABSOULTLY TERRIFING
And this is the character who will become King because he has the best story? This is outright villainy
In this book series the bad guys win more often than not. Hopefully as dark as he might get, in some part of his mind Ned Stark is still there teaching him right from wrong.
I think he'll definitely be a deeply polarizing character.
dnd: bran the rapist has the best story
There's also a very good chance he'll mate as Summer with other wolves since he claimed a pack from Varamir (who warged into one of his wolves when his human body died), and as alpha he'd have mating rights.
Bran was always the main villain
Meera just disappeared from the TV show?
Yeah
In the show she returns to the Neck to aid her family
Why the hell would Bran do that to Mera..?
Why do people become rapists ? Desire , lust , need to dominate …etc
He never got her cake
i totally forgot how different Books and Show were. It´s time for a re-reading
I'd wait to see if we ever get another book, first. If another never gets written, that'd be a lot of time and effort put into an endeavor only to end on a cliffhanger.
I don't recall what will happen if he does all three things.
He will turn into a whitewalker
it's never said that anything specific happens. the danger with mating and eating probably has to do with the danger of becoming too connected to the animal mind which could affect ones behaviour as a human. similiar to the warning not to fly to long. controlling humans is probably forbidden because it is a horrific thing for the victim, but it might have other consequences for the mind.
@NR-fd9wv I think those things will simply unlock newer power. Controlling a mind turns into controlling multiple minds and leading an army. Eating flesh turns into a taste for the kill and feeling superior. What was the 3rd one? Mating? Probably would spawn a monster baby or something.
Anyway sounds a lot like a whitewalker to me
@@Kyle-nm1kh varamyr sixskins does two of the three and tries the third (warging into a human), there are no hints that it has anything to do with white walkers. it is described that the mind of the warg and the animal affect each other, so they sort of melt together. it's even described that the mind of a deceased warg is still present in his animal, but fades over time. that also seems to happen when a warg gives in too much to the animal instincts. wargs are warned not to fly too much, it's described as being kind of addictive and it distances the warg from the human world. these taboos could have the same effect and the warg would literally lose his mind. after bran eats the humans, he soon starts to spent much more time flying as a raven. to me it seems that there is a ongoing process of bran becoming less human over time. i guess if you do that to humans, at some point you would lose your own identity, because you couldn't differentiate what is part of your mind and what is part of the others. if you were so powerful that you could constantly switch bodies and control others, you would basically just become some kind of demon who possesses others. i mean theoretically you could just jump from one body to the next forever and what would be left of you if you do that hundreds or thousands of years? there would be nothing left of who you once were
@NR-fd9wv doesn't the main whitewalker guy control everything? In the show he controlled a dragon even. It's pretty similar to warging imo. Maybe it's a more ancient version. Maybe bran can be like that and become the next ice king. He is becoming less human after all
Varamyr seems to think mating is better in female skin (prologue in ADWD) so maybe this takes even darker turn. Made me wonder if George will make something of it or is it just another of these george things. Worst idea that I had was Jon and Arya will have sex through Ghost and Nymeria, since George had planned romance for them two at first. Tho Stark kids direwolves know and feel each others as siblings, which probably means they wont. But it’s a bit interesting that Ghost is brother to other wolves yet Jon probably is not for Starks.
I also thought, that its much more likely that he will take over Meera rather than that he forces himself on her as Hodor. He supposedly loves ger, so making her feel that love and having sex with hlmself as her, is more on brand for Bran. Its still fucked up, but slightly better, which at this point doesn't matter at all.
Bran became the King of the Six Kingdoms in the show.
Bran has very dark thoughts. I also think Rick on could possibly be very dark. Shaggydog was unhinged.
There is a horned demon with a deer body that's called Bran in Latin.
Its a less than 0% chance the Hodor theory will happen. Bran is 11. His affection for Meera is a child's crush and nothing else.
The theory that has legs tho, is that Bran will panic and warg into summer for some reeason and summer will be breeding with another wolf.
This is still fucked up and Bran would lose any innocence he had left. But that would fit the themes of his story much better than him using hodor to rpe a teenager.
I don't know when I was 11 I saw Nadia from American Pie and I decided to quit Runescape that day. And I was just a regular kid without powers so who knows what he'd do lmao
FFS. I don't know how many times this has to be said: ***Bran DOES NOT HAVE ROMANTIC OR SEXUAL AFFECTION for Mira Reed!***
In the books Bran is like 8 or 10 years old AT MOST. He's still a kid and he hasn't even gone through puberty.
It's Hodor that has the crush on Mira, not Brandon Stark. When Bran mentioned being in Hodor's skin and wondering if Mira would be surprised if he told Mira that he loved her, it was Hodor's feelings about Mira he was going off of, not his.
That may be true, but if he ends up letting hodors feeling control or influence him, he still ends up bad. It's arguably worse to be someone with power and good intentions but can't control the power than to just be a villain in full control of their power.
Alas, we will probably never know...sigh
Bran is such a little creep in the books. 😳
He's gonna open her doors alright...
(I apologize)
Tyrion : Who has a better story than Bran the Broken.?
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Bran : 👀👀 yeah Broken in every aspect.
He will warg into Jon snow next time he dies on the battle field and mate with danerys . Since bran isnt going to be bran and will be bloodraven downloaded into bran and danerays looking like sheara seastar . Or posssibly Val .
Very informative
BRUH NAH💀💀 YALL getting too far and wild with these prediction theories , its better if he abandons her to the whitewalkers like in the show 🏳️🏳️💀
A dance of dragons was like 200 years before Bran?
Yes
Not the targaryen civil war but the name of the last book in the series
No way Bran mates with Mera. Also Ayra has killed and eaten hundreds of men in her “wolf dreams”
So maybe Bran the Broken was a good epithet after all
Bran will end up being the one controlling the army of the dead im telling you
It's like that rule in screenwriting about showing a gun in the first act, it must be fired (or relevant) in act 3. You don't write out clear rules like that without the intent of breaking them with someone.
Here's hoping we get a wolf orgy and poor Hodor and Meera can stay out of it.
The starks Joffrey! Atleast with Joffrey you know what to expect.
Horrible absolutly horrible and fanscinating
I mean when your mentor is bloodraven...
Common guys, Bran was not that screwed up in the books. He is still just a boy who believes in good. He slipped into Hodor's mind to protect his party when they were almost located by wildlings. Also, there was no food for Summer, so he didn't eat fallen soldiers willingfully.
Meera, Hodor will make you need a wheelchair
The classic "anyways" at the end.
Is it not also true that Meera has been notably absent for a little bit now, as well? Meaning that this is not something that may happen, but something that has already happened and just hasnt been revealed yet.
"Who better to sit on the Iron Throne than Bran the Broken?"
Es el el auténtico villano de la serie, está clarísimo.
Martinverse is very vast.
If I was Bran, every wench in the city would be in line to Hodor’s quarters every day 😂
Bran being the raven makes the story so dark. There is a "evil ending" cut of the serie that shows how bran could have been behind so many things that would have let to him being king in the end. Need to get the books some day.
Hodor is gonna yell Hodor! About a hundred times with Mera. Lol
Did you know that in the books a "warg" is a specific type of skin changer that has a bond with a wolf. "Warg" therefore is NOT a general name for all skin chnagers and therefore the term "warging: can ONLY be used when talking about a wolf. The proper term to refer to them in general is "Skin changer"
I don’t think she ran away cause she was scared/ she was crying over Jojen and probably wanted to be alone. Honor was not comforting her . Bran was thinking about using hodors body to comfort her wh Ed n she ran out. You need to re read that chapter
I have another theory. Bran was thinking about Meera's grief over Jojen a lot and he became frustrated with his broken body and he wanted _to reach out_ to comfort her.
Problem is, warging is also described as _a reaching out_ I think because he was thinking about it so much he accidentally slipped his skin and was beginning to warg into her.
Which explains why she got up and left so fast as if something bit her.
Bran needs to learn to become more careful in managing his power as has grown so powerful that his almost accidentally warging into people.
Bran will be so OP in the endgame.
Completely understand what you mean by the gift giving thing.
Happy birthday!!! 🎉🎉
Bran the Broken, huh? Wonder what sort of punishment befits such crimes or who would carry out said punishment?
I feel like he, meera, hodor, and jojen ate human flesh under the guise if Coldhands finding a sow conveniently after passing by dead wildlings
The books are another level than the tv show. I remember i tried to read the books bf the show came on hbo/tv. I even remember i saw first episode. And i remember that the intro was one of the best intro I've ever seen. I just knew right there, after first episode, that it whould be a success. But yes, its different from tve books. But R.R marin wrote alot of the scripts
And he ends up on the Iron throne are you kidding me 😂
Should warg into podrick and bring down the Payne on the 6 realms