Hidden Clues in Old Nan Stories | She knows about Bran Stark | A Song of Ice and Fire Theory
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- In A Song of Ice Fire by George RR Martin We are introduced to Old Nan in the very first chapter of A Game of Thrones. For years we have wondered about Old Nan and her stories! I think Old Nan knows more than we think and Old Nan's stories hold clues to who Bran Stark is! From the Legend of the Last Hero to the Knight's King to Brandon the Builder! In this video I will analyze Old Nan and her stories and What I think it could mean in the books!
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I love old Nan. She has such little screen time in the books, but she has a huge influence. Every Stark mention her in their chapters, you can tell that she's a big part of their up bringing and was very involved in raising them. She's so well revered by the Starks that even though she's retired they let her stay and live in Winterfell, even Sansa and John seem to remember her and her stories fondly. Sadly I do believe she's dead, I know she was taken to the Dreadfort and I don't think she would survive that place.
- _"... before me and after me."_
It's a good opening line, but still a little detached from the audience.
- _"Before you too."_
The best storytellers know how to draw their audience into the tale.
She also likes to tweak him, and play with his boyish sensibilities, which is how it reads the first time.
But coming back to it, it's too delicious as a possible reference to Bran's time hopping.
I've always thought there were many secrets in old Nan's stories! I'd love to read a book filled with just her stories, called "Short Stories by Nan" .
Great idea 💡
She is my favorite minor character she's got all the tea. She's definitely older than we think she definitely knows the know about the starks and about the nights king and maybe even jon. Old Nan is a huge key in figuring out the mystery that is the vast north. I love this part of grrm's writing getting the history and lore through the stories of the minor characters
"And before you too." This could be interpreted as the stories being ahead of Bran, rather than behind him, as if he has a part to play in them.
Old Nan is so old, she sees time almost like a Weirwood.
That's why all the Brans meld into one, the way Bran can see thousands of years in one spot and moment from the eyes of a Weirwood.
She is like Kurt Vonnegut's character Billy Pilgrim, she has come unstuck in time.
That makes sense why the north remembers
Cause they really forgot what to remember
I am suprised that you didn't point out the fact that when Arya was at Harenhall she thought of Old Nans story about genies who granted three wishes. The first wish was always a test the second one was always a mistake and the third one was the deciding one. The only one that matters.
In the third and final wish either the genie killed the human by twisting their words or a human outsmarted and tricked the genie. Old Nan never said how they outsmarted the genies though only that they were very clever about it. So she decided to be clever about it.
That is the day she tricked Jaquen H'ghar and he decided to spare her life and give her an iron coin to go to Braavos.
Also she was called Nan at the time she was at Harenhall so that might bring another layer to all of this too.
In short, Old Nan's stories are real and there is plenty of evidence to prove it
“Immmmm every Brandon they’re all in meeeee” (to the tune of Every Woman)
"Any time you want to go to, I'll do it magically"
I know a story about a boy who hates stories...
"Old naan"
You should teach a class in GOT lol ! I learn more from you than anyone.
I totally agree...! 😃
I feel the same. You're hella smart and funny
SAME! GOT can be very dense and hard to understand at times. But when I found this channel my love for the books were restored anew! ThAnk u for all the hard work you put into this channel!
(Not just GOT but AHS as well!)
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Great video!
Note how Bran liked to be in high places, above everyone, where no one could see him but he could see everything. Before he even fell this is how he was.
Also I wonder if all the Bran the Builder stuff isn't all about the future. Storm's End, High Tower, the Wall, and Winterfell are all at risk of soon being destroyed. What a coincidence. Maybe the stories were about king Bran rebuilding them all after the Long Night, and there was never another long night before, it's the first one coming, but people confused the visions of the future with stories of the past.
I needed this juice, girl! I was dry af on lore!
There is an interesting scene where Bran's party camp out at the Nightfort. Bran wakes in the middle of the night hearing noises, and he starts imagining all sorts of supernatural horrors that are closing in on him. He recalls Naan's tale of the Rat Cook and imagines a swarm of rats coming for them all. Then he starts to hear sounds emanating from the staircase below and on the roof. When the rest of the party awaken, Bran is relieved that his imagined, supernatural horrors had perfectly, logical explanations. It was his direwolf, into whom he can warg. And it is Sam, Gilly, and the baby coming up stairs after passing through a magical, talking door; and they were helped by Bran's dead Uncle Benjen (a.k.a. Coldhands) who was killed by the Others but was reanimated--and rides around on an elk. Nope--no magic here.
Ok you just blew my mind with the Brandon/Brynden deal. This is what got me hooked on GOT youtube videos. I guess it was Nan's stories and the legends. It was GOT's history, not the present, I found so interesting. I've never read the books. I have them, but I have ADHD and I have a hard time sitting down to read them, especially since I've seen the show first, and it's different, and usually you like best what you see first,,at least in my case. All I can say is more! More! More! Do more like this, please.
A godsend for me was the audiobooks. And re-listening to chapters is no problem, as they're so deep and filled with hidden meaning
This theory is not tinfoily to me at all. The 'before you too' is very telling. Well spotted Gray!
Juice Time!!!!!!!
Old nan confusing Bran with other Brandons .. I think there is much more in this line than it seems at first sight
I like this theory a lot. Doesn't seem tinfoil at all. Old Nan is one of the characters I'm most looking forward to seeing again in Winds. As I recall, the last we hear of her is that she's being held captive at the Dreadfort, then in ADWD Theon thinks she's probably dead. Seems to me George is queuing up an epic return🤷♀️.
A century, a mad king, and a war couldn't kill Old Nan. I doubt the Boltons would know what to do with a knitting needle-wielding treasure trove of info that's smart as a whip and can smell shit in space.
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Hello Lady Gray! I always thought that Old Nan had the real juice! I hope that we'll get her back because her stories are true!
Old Nan is a greenseer placed in Winterfell by the three eyed raven and the children of the forest to guide Bran.
Hot take, love it
She's a child of the forest (leaf) using glamour, came to winterfell for the bran boy
Interesting. Nan saying, "... Before me. Before you." Is exceedingly strange. I never noticed it before. I have never subscribed to the time traveling Bran theories. However, what you have proposed here makes a lot of sense within the story. Great catch @GrayArea
Your voice is so soothing. I can listen all day. I'm wandering if the old lady ever hinted at Bran being evil? There are theories. Bran has never really helped or saved anyone but now sits the iron throne. I remember LF saying, "that is true power." Bran knows everything.
WHAT?!?!?! "broken boys will grow up to be knights" ...
Wait a minute... did he just tell us that Bran will become ... the KNIGHT KING.
I'll keep listening just barely got to the 2 min mark and this hit me!!!
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Most kings are knighted tho
Wouldn’t that be a twist ending!!
We are expecting King Bran on the Iron throne because Dan and Dave were told he’d end up King. Maybe GRRM was just trolling them and he ends up on the night’s king throne - and Jon can still be King of Westeros. Wooo!
@@WhiteSargent Dany is the heir to the throne. Aerys changed his heir to viserys during the battle of the trident. Rhaella Crowned Viserys and Viserys named Daenerys his Heir so Dany is the actual heir not Jon Targaryen
I just love a framing narrative! Old Nan is so much fun. I really want to believe she is Rohanne Webber weaving a spider's web with those clicking needles. Probably not though...
I want to believe the same.
@10:00 her old age makes her a prime candidate for dimentia, also u can have dimentia and only have certain things be affected(like blending all the brandon starks) and still seem otherwise normal. There are levels to that
If you take Nan saying "the stories are before me, and after me. They're before you too." Could be taken literally, 'before' can also mean in front ie 'I stand before you'. Also notice how she doesn't say and after about bran, tinfoil but I believe it could mean that she IS a story in herself( a story *before* bran) , which you could argue is very true considering the history we know of her, & after could mean that the story continues even when she's gone. BUT when she speaks about bran, who IS a story before her she doesn't mention an after, which I interprete to mean Bran IS the end of the story, and we know he does become king, so considering the series is called a SONG of Ice and Fire GRRM has said multiple times that a song in this context is a STORY, means to me that Bran is the end of A Song(story) of Ice & Fire, and there is no after Bran. Hopefully that makes sense?
I wasn't in until the Brendan, instead of Brandon and then the fact the next 2 Brandons die prematurely( not counting Ned's brother, honestly I think he's a brute and isn't THE Bran) and look! Already thinking in those terms! Great Job!!!
You posted this at the perfect time. Thank you!
Do you think Nan has a secret identity? I've heard that she is Shiera Seastar and that she is helping Bloodraven get Bran
This, Gray!! This is why I follow you! ❤️ I’m so happy when you post something like this, with just your voice, and your insight. You are so talented and have the coolest voice. I would buy Game of Thrones audiobooks if you read them! 😀 Thank you for this content!
The red comet is the return of magic id say then the return of dragons, they seem to be intrinsically linked
I IRL laughed at "loose from the cootch". Really love your voice and accent!
Theory expansion suggestion: the Brans given to the Children by the Starks were either Greenseers or White Walkers.
(Or the Night's King - but in book cannon there is no evidence of a White Walker "leader" so far.)
Not out there at all, terrific analysis. I can never get enough Old Nan, one of my favorite characters because you -know- she has the goods!
I love Old Nan, I think she is like a lot of old people, cannot remember what she had for breakfast, but remembers things from the past, mostly just random but some incredibly important.
Love that you’re still around talking about the books/show and asking the deeper questions. I was one of the people who was so disappointed with the HBO ending. It left so much unanswered and went totally against my intuition, even though I was prepared for an unhappy ending. I wonder if George R. R. Martin has just abandoned it altogether...?
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You never cease to blow me away with your theories Gray!! Another amazing job ❤🔥🐲
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Your analysis is so cool. It's text and myth based, but not unhinged (like so many out there). Thank you for that content.
Gray, I have been a fan for a long time. Your voice just instantly improves my mood. You have only gotten better over the years. Your analysis is insightful. You are Kind and professional to people on the podcast. I hope you get rich doing this.
Whomever sits the Iron Throne in the end shall peel their faceless man's mask away to reveal the true mastermind - OLD NAN
Come over here after watching the Bran direwolf city video. Woah that’s a lot of juice! Loving that your content is keeping love for ASOIAF alive because I’ve been so pissed off with the show.
Anyhoo I agree that Blood Raven is like Loki the Trickster. I believe BR has tricked the reeds and Bran to going north in order to plant the seed that Bran’s a greenseer (which he is but I think Greenseers are actually the Weirwoods and those they deem worthy they share their knowledge with like Yggdrasil and Odin in Norse mythology)
I think Blood Raven is the true Big Bad and that he needed to trick the reeds to come with Bran for 2 reasons, so Jojen could be the blood sacrifice and Meera his aid getting out of the cave when he ultimately body jumps Bran to free himself from the Weirwood that has actually tied him up to keep him from the world. Once free he will use his influence on those fighting the wars in Westeros, he’ll wait while Dany and Aegon fight until one is killed he then has the means to body jump either Jon or Dany to claim the right to the throne (possibly Dany so that Bran has to tell Jon that he needs to destroy her to fulfill the Nissa Nissa prophecy) but before this Bran will take control of the white walkers or work with them to fight against BR (like Odin is able to wake the dead and also in LOTR with the rightful king and the army of the dead) that is why Bran is the true ruler but not in a King way more in a balance of nature and magic way. I don’t see him sitting the throne in Kings Landing his throne will be the tree because of his sacrifice to be a guardian.
I love puzzling out where the story’s going to take us but fuck me what were Dan and Dave serving up?! 🤦♀️
Perfect way to start the beginning of the weekend! Love me some Old Nan and all her scary, magical stories 😊 thank you Lady Gray!!!!
Your welcome! I love me some Old Nan!
omg the other day it just popped in my head, how brynden is so close to brandon. agree with everything 100% love your channel.
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I wouldnt call it a tinfoil theory, but its definately one that lacks evidence currently. I think we will get a lot fo the needed evidence in WoW tho
I love listening to you share your essays on SoIaF. Live streams are distracting, lol!
I'm glad we have one awesome writer/speaker bringing us the juice!
This is incredibly awesome. Bran and Dark Sister. Yes. Thanks for this...I always felt Nan was important. It also makes sense that she is a female domestic worker, whose voice is of course ignored in the "official history" but whose words hold more truth than those histories ever will.
Yes Grey!!! Listening on my way to work. 🤘🏼
Have a good day at work!
@@GrayArea Thank You! Enjoy your day as well.
Keep making videos about Old Nan. She is the best story teller!
This is amazing! I'm at the end of the video and already I wanna watch again hahahaha!
Great theory. Cool vid, thanks
I love that you don't deny coarse language.
Yeahhhhhh get it girl. Love these vids.
I love this idea and It makes sense, I wonder if Brandon was meant to go North if he had Raven Dreams as well
Also, where is Old Nan and if we ever see her again?
I would love a Bran Old Nan reunion
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I love the video and all of your ideas, the Old Nan stories always seemed like the big plot points being discussed to me as well. I was curious as to the Tony video you mentioned at 13:28, about Brandon and his companions. What is the channel name or video in discussion? i'm a huge follower of @indeepgeek and am new to your page but just subscribed and thank you again for this awesome content!!
Bless you, child. For you really have returneth. Now THIS is the juice 🧃 spiked with the good stuff!!!! 🍸
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Loving the juice Gray❤❤
You are quite the sleuth. I always enjoy your content.
Dope video!
There was just one Bran in all the lores because "Bran" is always a greenseer "wed to the trees". "Bran" is the sentient weirwoods warged into a greenseer. The Knight of the Laughing Tree was a tree warged into Howland Reed. The weirwoods built the wall, hence the reason Queen Alysanne's dragon could not fly north. The weirwoods built Storm's End to protect the weirwood heart tree to act as a sentinel for those in the north.
There is no magic, but there is science fiction in this post-apocalyptical world where the first men crawled out of nuclear winter fall out shelters, (shortened to "winter fell"). Over the thousands of years of immense radiation, some humans became wargs, others evolved to smaller forest creatures, some became "strange, beautiful" creatures of winter, and some amphibians grew wings and spat fire. We have telekinesis, telepathy, and evolution, but no magic.
Whoa! So good!
Granny always knows best.
I love your ASOIAF videos!
Yes! 🔥🐉🐉🐉 I can listen to you talk for hours.
I just love you .. you have been getting me though my GOT withdrawals 😭😭😭 .. my family can’t take me seriously at this point they just don’t feel my pain 😔
There is without a doubt a theme of a cycle in the story, that’s also heavily tied in with the cycle of the seasons. Magic dies out as the North and specifically the Stark’s forget their history and ties to the children and the magic of the old gods. The Dragons begin to wither and eventually die out after the Doom of Valryia. Then after the last dragon dies the Targaryen dynasty begins to weaken eventually crumbling and the seven kingdoms are in my opinion beginning to separate. This kind of ending the cycle started by the first long knight, doom of Valryia, and Aegons conquest. And so the new cycle begins and my theory is it starts with the birth of Jon and Dany, which triggers the birth of Bran and the return of magic. So you’re theory isn’t tin foil at all it very could be the rebirth of Bran. I also believe that out of all the story tellers who tell tales of prophecy and the past, the Nan is the most reliable. The fact that George writes her as a crazy old lady who everyone dismisses so easily plays into the irony George loves to create.
I LOVE this video! Old Nan is beyond awesome. And it think this is just the right amount of tinfoil. 😘
Great job
I think it’s really interesting that you say the north forgot because one of their sayings is the north remembers and maybe just maybe that’s why?
🤔. I think one of those stories is just a combination of Icarus flying too high and the fate of the Titan Prometheus
Yesssss
Love this theory!
Old Nan!! From FL with love Gray ❄🐺 ⚔ ♥
I love it! It’s a paradigm.. 😍🙌🏼🐲
I tend to agree with 99% of what you say so yessssss to all of this! I can’t wait for TWOW
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Hey Gray!! Missed ya
This juice was TOO good!!!
I think your theories are making complete sense right about now.
Good stuff
I like the idea of him being reborn every so often. I’m kind of obsessed with reincarnation stories though. The real life instances are really fascinating to me
🧃old Nan passes the vibe check 👏🏽
I think Old Nan is hinting that the 'stories" she tells are actually history, not fables.
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There are definitely reoccurring archetypes in Georgia's story but I don't think it's anything more than that. You said it yourself, the Bran of our story doesn't like the same stories as other Brans that old Nan has looked after
Though I do agree the legends a Bran the builder are sus, but maybe that's because he was ½ childhood of the forest or something, and has an extended life span 🤷🏼♂️
Whatever the case, I enjoyed the video as I do all of your work : )
Winds of Winter ❄️ is almost done! It's going 2 be the longest book on the series bigger than A Storm of Swords ⚔️! That tells me that Rhaegal, Viserion and Drogon will be much bigger than the show ones. I hope her character doesn't die but I get Queen Rhaella vibes!
This is the first time I’ve listened to you since got ended
Welcome back
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I think the crow pecking away his sight is the three eyed crow open his third eye.
Gray Lady returns
Glory be the day when WoW is released!!!
Old Nan’s stories are always on the money
I kinda love the idea he keeps reincarnating, and brynden was only the three eyed crow bc there was no brandon stark atound and he thought it was close enough (especially since he had first men blood)
So all happened because starks neglected to keep a few brandons alive.... if push comes to it, they could have named all boys brandon (brandon the first, second, junior, septimus, octavius, etc.....) i mean there is bound to happen a few brandons alive that way. (Maybe call a few girls brandoneess too. worked for valerians. Arya could have made quite a mean brandoneess i think. a Winters Queen Arya! if you will.)
Nan knows what's up
Indeed
I love this chick's voice haha I could listen to the tonfoil weaving for hours haha
Right because of BBR! Blame it on BloodRaven! That explains the early Brandon deaths, weakening as he did which is why each one lived a little longer!!!!!! I think I'm liking this! Where's Mr. Rivers prequel?! C'mon George!!!
I just love your voice. And you deserve a looooonnngggg night. Love your content, your lovely voice, and your beautiful face.
"Old Nan has the juice" you're so right!