Intel i7-8700k... does it suck?
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2017 was an exciting year for PC builders...unless you needed RAM, SSDs or GPUs
Well, I wonder if - with all the new choices in CPUs and actual competition in this space - it may have affected supply of the ancillary pieces because of everyone upgrading. I know I finally went from my old X3470 Xeon build to a R7 1700.
Mike Watson Yea I built mine when ram and ssd were expensive, my 1070 I got new $350 which was right before
Just download some ram
Miners ruined the GPU market ...
Mike Watson and except haven't stock around world😂😂😂
1. Core efficiency beats core count
2. Thanks AMD
3. Add Mathlab, CAD, and other scientific tests.
4. Your testing method is flawed, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT MOUSE FOR THE OTHER SYSTEM. haha
+GamingPCBuilder.com I'll add RGB Tests as well
You need photometer for that. Tell us which platform shine brighter
Hahaha
GamingPCBuilder.com stop the cringe pls
GamingPCBuilder.com nothing about different cooler?, ok then
Intel = Clock speed
AMD = Core count
early 2000s it always was intel = clock speed and amd fsb speed. Cause those were always the two competing aspects of processing, studies usually show like 90% of computer isntructiosn are reading and writing to memory, so the von neuman bottle neck matters, but so does clock speed.
* 8700k scores better in all tests *
"This isn't one of those videos where I can say this is a clear winner..."
Seriously?
Fanboy detected lol!
lol im getting this cpu soon 8700k
"Intel runs hot"- things have changed in 2017
The way I see it, not much has changed... my xeon E3 will pass 100C with two typhoon 1850rpm fans in push/pull on a tower cooler if it even touches AVX, and that's 3.8 GHz @ 1.16v. Jay said 1.35v and my mouth hung open. Crappy intel TIM
my 1800x i've never seen above 70 degrees, and thats with air cooling
Indeed, it's kind of hilarious to think about since- at least on the consumer level of processors, things used to be flipped. Pretty sure the only reason I was able to overclock my FX-6300 as high as it is (4.1 GHz is what it's currently sitting at, compared to 3.5) with air is because I slapped a huge-ass heatsink on it. That barely fit in my case.
I didn't exactly trust the tinyass brick that was the stock cooler.
My TR4 1920K does not get over 55C on Water at 4.0Ghz
no, I'm a bit nervous about overclocking and the xfr easily boosts it past 4 ghz
"Intel runs hot." Still weird.
Times are changing.
Yup, times are changing indeed.
When has it not run hot in the past decade or two? Unless you had really low end chips, they've all run hot.
Ben Coomer Intel has been hot since Ivy Bridge. Little variety between generation of course.
I think right now intel's i7 8th gen has a software problem because in other tech tubers' benchmarks, the overclocked temps are sometimes lower than stock, so I think they'll fix that.
It's GREAT! Just finished my Intel i7 8700K PC build, and also made a video about it, you know where to find it ;).
I must say that I really like the performance of this processor. I combined it with the Asus Maximus X and overclocked it to 5.2 GHZ at 1.32v.
Any AIO cooler suggestions? I got the Dark rock pro, but it make a lot of noise...
Wow intel is now the one running too hot. What a weird time to be alive.
you must be 15 years old if you find this surprising. we've been here before. if you think this is bad, look up intel's smithfield.
I still remember prescott times, when tom's hardware did a comparison with intel's stock cooler and a closed standard PC case at the time. The 3.6GHz one If I remember correctly, overheated and started throttling on that scenario. They had to rise the MHz so much because it couldn't battle with Athlon 64 at the time on raw performance.
I'm guessing those overheatting days could be back, except they don't offer the stock cooler anymore. Funnily the ring bus architecture is not even specced to go over 4GHz for nominal thermals and power consumption (hence the TDP values they tell and the "default CPU clock").
Rised thermals and consumption values are dodged by using a "hidden" turbo mode, which is enabled by default on all situations, because the chip can handle the automated overclock so easily. They can tell it is a 65/95W (or whatever) CPU, even though it will never stay on spec. :)
WarmSoftKitty watch the video again
they are running hot because they are running 1 ghz faster than amd's garbage. tried ryzen 7 at 3.9-4 ghz? it's hot too.
dr. whet farts 60 C hot? On stock cooler?
Looks like AMD and intel are getting into each other pants
But damn it if I'm surprised by the 8700K's price. I thought it was above $400, giving more cores and threads yet still a gaming CPU, it's going to be dominant, and so as the competition. Yet I can't wait for Zen 2.
This was a sexy test
DIY Tech I wonder what it be like if they had a love child lol
Yves Heinrich I think ryzen 2 explode iX 8X00 BUT intel next gen crush ryzen 2
+ LA barbe de produkteef It does look like Intel is always ahead of AMD, but AMD are keeping with the competition!
Does Jay not know that you can use ctrl+shift+esc to get the task manager open straight away without opening other menus?
Lol, I didn't know that either, thanks for the tip.
or just right click the task bar and click task manager
Lol I didn't know that! Thanks man learn something new.
nathan leather Yup. I do this all the time.
Could be just force of habit. I still prefer right clicking the task bar on the bottom to get there.
Another great vid, always learning from this one and it's definitely helped me figure out the build I'm planning more with looking at it's purpose first then deciding the parts.
Nice testing! Like the methodology, and the fact you explain it.
Quicktip: Ctrl+Shift+Esc will take you directly to task manager ;)
Really?
thx
"good time to buy a pc" $800 graphics cards still... 16gbs of ram is $150+ now ha
So a 1060 will "do the job" at 4k? Where exactly were you able to determine what the job was he is wanting to accomplish? You're not in a position to speak on sense...
TheRoyalOG good thing i bought my ram back in august when it was $110.. even then expensive af.
Maybe some people actually enjoy evolution in graphics 5more ,then playing cs:go. Also mister common sense might remember , if he tries a little harder, there is also other stuff then FPS games.
+ Mr McGee Well I guess some people are, quite literally, a little bit slow and don't really notice just how massive of a difference there is between 60hz and something higher no matter what you do. 60hz is cancer and if your work requires a 4K/8K display then you use 60hz just because you have no choice. If you actually have a choice and don't absolutely require 4K then no sane person who isn't too slow would pick 4K60 over 1440p144 even if you don't game at all.
Poor sad creature.
RIP 7800X your life was long
No reason to upgrade from a 7800X. You won’t notice much of a difference to justify buying a new motherboard and CPU.
I’m personally running the 7820x at 5.00 GHz, I seriously doubt that it will be obsolete for a few years.
Khalifa Al M There is literally no reason to get it now, that's what he meant.
Nice vid. Very clear tech. Easy to watch. Did not have to replay sections to understand what was happening or what was being conveyed.
The first words out of your mouth are not true, Jay. This has been a shitty year to build a new PC. The prices on GPU's, and memory have gotten ridiculous. And even being able to find a Gpu for less than $500 is hit and miss. lol "a great year for builders"
The 850 Evo 1TB is 25% more expensive than when I got mine, the 1080 Ti is also about 25% more and the 3200 DDR4 Corsair I got is double the price. Crazy.
Been a great year good performing gpus for those with money and the still outstanding gpus form last year droping in price and widely aviliable for those looking to save money as ppl upgrade. built severl new PC on a E-5 salary this year.
this year has been great for pc building
i couldn't give a fuck between 2500$ and 5000$ though :D
Nah it's not bad at all. It's only has if you like running AMD gpus, which are only good for mining and audio/video post-production.
* my evga 1060 6gb sc2 gets 60 frames at 1080p60 on any game I try.
A 1070 can handle 1440p and a 1080 can handle 4k.
You re sorted if you're smart with your investments.
So i buy an i7 7700k in March and 8 months later there is already i7 8700k
And don't forget the new motherboard you need too... :P
Sounds almost like Apple had their fingers in the marketing. :) Iphone 8 just out, and Iphone X already announced.
Wait til you see the benchmarks on the new i3. 4 core 4 thread that can go up to to and bear your now slow 7700K in games 😀 ... No sympathy for me as I grew up in the 90s where you upgraded every 6 months. 2 year old systems were 300% slower and got laughed at
RIP 7700K? Don't feel bad, you have a great CPU, if gaming is all you bought it for. I feel bad for the Mobo makers. They were late jumping on the Ryzen bandwagon, and if Intel comes up with a new Mobo next year? There will be a lot of 270, and 370 boards sitting in boxes at the warehouses.
Intel screw their customers
I'm buying the 1700X, because if this is what a little competition does for the hardware market, then I want to support the guys who brought the heat to the industry and got the ball rolling again.
Also, upgrade potential is very appealing if you ever wanted to!
yazzz!!!
dolebiscuit I'm glad there's people that will do that. I'm not willing to give up performance to support the underdog.
Ironically enough, by not being willing to give up slightly extra performance (not even better on multi-core benchmarks either, only single core) you're actually stifling performance innovation overall in the industry. I can't praise AMD enough for getting us out of the quad-core dark ages.
DRajtify,
The i7-8700K at 5GHz is better than the 8-core Ryzen CPU's in almost every scenario. Programs like BLENDER that can utilize 16 threads fully are not common. In some scenarios the i7-8700K wins by up to 50% whereas if there are any situations that AMD wins at all it's very, very small.
Of course it's also more EXPENSIVE for the i7-8700K however if you want the overall best system it's hands down the i7-8700K.
It's not "slightly extra peformance" in some situations it's a LOT.
Your vids are the best Jay, thx alot
Love your work as always! Would love to see game while streaming comparison on those 2 builds.
well it's nice to see intel running scared for once
lol yeah at least they have to give us good pricing now.
Hurt them in the pocket for a few years and you might see 100 cores.
Yea. AMD has been losing money for years. Intel still doesn't really give a shit. And AMD's new shit is still expensive as fuck and not useful for gamers anyway.
Cioby, This whole statement makes no sense what so ever lmao
You think an R5-1600 setup is expensive? LOL. As for "not useful for gamers" that's ridiculous too. It may not be the BEST but it's certainly an excellent value, and the extra savings can go towards a better graphics card so overall you can create a better gaming rig depending on the budget.
Jayz, what about a benchmark with the same clocks on both?
I enjoyed the side by side comparison. Bar charts are fine and all but it’s so much more interesting to watch two machines battle it out on the screen.
If time is a big factor then time lapsing the test would still be fun.
Thank you for all the time you spend creating content for us.
Jay, your studio looks top shelf. Very nice production, everything is excellent.
I'd say i5 for enthusiast gaming, i7 for production and enthusiast gaming, and Ryzen for price/performance and so probably most people.
SlavjanA yeh a 6 core i5 only for gaming.... slap yourself please.
Why? You're better off getting an R5 1600/X if you want the multi-threaded performance.
Or R7 1700 too actually, since it's in the i5's price range, especially when you factor in aftermarket cooling and motherboard cost differences.
Games don't care that much about the CPU. In reality you won't see a huge difference in FPS, because the games are still GPU limited. CPU gets more important when you try to reach high FPS, for example when you have a 144hz panel.
That's what I mean about enthusiast gaming, if you're playing with a GTX 1060 or RX4/580 or even a 1070, or at 1440p or 4K, if there are any extra FPS from the i5 it probably won't justify the extra cost for it for most people. It's mainly for the people that want absolutely every FPS that they can get.
just built a monster pc and never entered my mind to use anything but liquid cooling .. 8700k with a Corsair H100V2 and I never have any issues with overheating or even getting close. After extreme gaming it never gets out of the 50's ..once in a while on a hot day 1 or 2 cores might hit the low 60's but most of the time 90% of the time its running in the low 40's so to me that should never be in the conversation .. just build smart from the start
I love Jay's videos, they are honestly really good. :)
Great Video man! keep with the good work!
Cheers!
@JayTwoCents
I have a 1600X running at 4.2 with 1.362V (got lucky with silicone) with a B350 Gaming 3. I pack flareX 3200 CL14 in my system currently using OC values i got from AMD forums, I managed to crank my flareX to 3466. In my honest opinion and experience, when you use 3200 vs 3000 or 2933 you notice a lot a differences. I have assembled 1600X for friends using 3200 flarex (b-dies) CL 14 and 3000 Ripjaw CL15, and i notice quite the difference. The same 1600X i have build for friends, are OC to 4.0 using air cooling (Gammax S40) at 1.38-1.39. Two of those systems, i have managed to hit 4.1 with the same range of voltage 1.38-1.39.
But using this as an example, you should be using 8x2 Gskill FlareX CL 14 or geil model that packs the same chip. And using my own experience with 6700K and 7700k, Intel doesnt benefit as much as AMD from using faster and lower lantency model, I have seen several reviews on the internet were the usage of FlareX kit on same AMD and INTEL platform give results that are a little different from the ones you posted.
Thanks for the great videos and reviews, keep up the awesome work, hope my little experience compared to yours, can benefit the channel in some way.
I will be leaving you the link of were i got the OC profiles for my FlareX models. BTW the flareX detects 3200 just by turning on XMP no further tune is needed.
community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings
Yeah but us Intel i7 guys are running our 7700k's at 5.0+ and 3866+ ram, and are getting MUCH higher scores than any of the Ryzens. I am completely happy I spent the extra $100 or so to go Intel.
You got lucky with silicone?
So your GF has large fake breasts?
Good for you!
Jorge Nascimento nice dude very nice...I have 3200 14 rgb gskill ram..have been getting it up yo 3466 and 3600....have a 1700 on a x370 gigabyte white gaming 5 and been getting as high as 4,15 on very low voltages like u..and in using water killing as well
The guy who edits these video should put a text up when he talk about other CPUs, it gets really confusing, specially when he messed up, and because they sound similar.
Egg Zack tlee
Or you shoud just listen mate
If this was TV yeah. But this is youtube. you can pause and go back with a click of your keyboard.
You are correct sir.
Whats TV?
Great Review Jay.
thanks
BTW, thanks for the Blender CPU/GPU tests, it is really appreciated !!! :)
Use different colors and arrows to differentiate between "Lower is Better" snd "Higher is Better" graphs.
Hey jayz can you do comparison for Auto cad works and other workstation chores
Awesome video man, thanks. I dig yer style, dude.
Phenomenal video! How in the world I wasn't subscribed to your chanel earlier?!?!
Another interesting factor to take into account is cost of the motherboard and cooling solution, since you are running the intel on water and the amd on air; also amd motherboards are a bit cheaper than intel.
Mikel Mendioroz I’m sure most at this point has a loop or aio that work with this cpu only really apply to new system builders
no, actually, almost all people on mainstream platforms use air cooling, and the prices of cooling and motherboards should be calculated in the price difference
Grimy HR man shut up just watch the video and enjoy you’re comparing apple to oranges .
Grimy HR I’m sure most here aren’t main stream users anyway
actually, everyone using 200-500usd cpus is using mainstream cpus, and explain apples to oranges, i mean, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about but ill indulge you, make your case.
finally time to upgrade 2600k... i mean it's been 6 years since I've had it
Great even handed video Jay. Thumbed up! right up the butt!
Very thorough video!
Can you please do 8700 vs 7700 vs 6700? Really interested in that video
Love your vids btw!
Im still using a 4.8ghz 4770k, 3,5- 4 years old I think. My 1080 runs at 100% load before even half my cpu is used in every game I play (no threads or cores at 100%). Am I right to think there would't be much of a point for me to upgrade? My 1600 mhz memory is a bit outdated I guess so maybe that would help. Thoughts?
Joegengstah,
In general it's pointless to upgrade your 4.8GHz i7-4700K, especially if the games you play are bottlenecked by the GPU anyway. Some games will benefit from more cores (like AotS)... as for your 1600MHz memory again if the GPU is the bottleneck then the CPU isn't thus the system memory that the CPU accesses doesn't really need to be faster either.
It's slightly more complicated than this but the basic answer is that you'd be wasting your money IMO.
OTHER: you can still have a CPU bottleneck if no core is running at 100%, though again not if the GPU is the bottleneck. there is such a thing as thread jumping where the game code can jump between cores so that no core actually runs at 100% even though a faster CPU could boost performance if the CPU was the bottleneck
Allright thanks for the answers. Im leaning towards holding onto the 4770k for a while longer since as you are pointing out, it wouldn't help that much if the gpu is the limiting factor. Ive been comparing game benchmark cpu test results to mine and it looks like my cpu is still very strong even in cpu heavy games. I could probably get a few more frames, and a few higher 0.1% low frames with a 8700k even if my gpu is the bottleneck. And maybe a few games that are heavily cpu dependant will see some benefits. But it would mean buying new motherboard, ram and cpu and I dont feel the few frames are worth it for me, when the cpu is still so strong for my use. I'll just ear-mark the money and use them in a cpu generation or two, maybe amd will pressure intel some more, although I doubt much will happen then next half year or so :) Thanks for the input
I used a Core 2 Duo (Xeon3060) overclocked from 2,4Ghz to 3,3Ghz for 9 years before it needed upgrade for gaming... All those who was running AMD upgraded several times in the same period with MUCH higher total cost.
Smart Video thanks for this
Good job Jay, thanks! ))))
Thanks for bringing up Virtual Machines. All these cores are amazing for them. My main use of an 8 core processor.
I have a few running as well, and it's nice to not have to shut them down to keep my system very usable.
Hyper-V on my i7 4770K is still I/0 bound. Not CPU
PLEASE TEST AUDIO PROCESSING. It's one tech that taxes the cpu immensely and matters. Running abelton live with 16 tracks of serum and see what Preforms best at the lowest buffer setting 😄😄😄
YES THIS! so far personally I've had the best luck with the Xeon line for music production, i mainly come here to watch the gamers bicker. i7-7700k does a nice job with ableton and serum, but personally, my best performance by MILES in any DAW with a ton of running VST's has been on my E5-2640 v3 platform machines. I have 2, but what REALLY helped performance (for VST's anyway) was having 144 GB of RAM on top of that sweet sweet Xeon power.
Omnisphere is a great stress test, i know a laptop i7-9750h can run like 10 omnis but a 8700k can run a whole lotta plugins
Jay would you recommend this CPU for streaming and gaming?? I still have my i7 4790k but it's asking for upgrade because it doesn't seem to handle streaming and gaming at the same time... I might use my 4790k for streaming pc and build a new PC for gaming. What you guys think?
McGuns17 Gaming wait for 9th gen now..it's only 2months away. 8700k isn't worth to buy right now.
Nice video Jayz to compare Amd vs Intel, thanks
@JayzTwoCents if you want to start TaskManager real quick : Ctrl + Shift + Esc
Music production test (Ableton, FL Studio, etc.)
What a great video. Thank you
This was a good video. Makes me feel good about the pc i've built on pcpartpicker to build in the next month or so. Ryzen 1700 for me! :)
Jay use Ctrl + Shift + Esc to get into Task Manager :D
Matt Gavioli ctrl alt t htop....oh wait wrong environment
more like the right environment :)
Idk, i prefer doin that. Even if I can click the taskbar.
Best vid on the 8700k! What kinda temps were you getting at 5Ghz?
Whooaaa there! So, I can`t gain any SIGNIFICANT improvement in my Premiere rendering time if I buy Threadripper instead my i7 4790K 4.4GHz? Also, I want to free my 1080Ti in OBS streaming and set OBS to use only CPU.... What to do, what to buy now...?
13:25 I've been saying this for so long, and I caught a lot of flack for it on another video I commented on a couple weeks back. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this as well, I totally agree.
Hi Jay. Can you please double check if memory speed on Ryzen system was 2900 using CPU-Z? With new bioses, when system starts up if it is unable to sustain memory OC it will automatically downclock memory to 2133 without you even noticing.
+procerator was indeed 2966
One nice key combo: CTRL-SHIFT-ESC
Don't CTRL-ALT-DEL and then mouse to taskmanager.
At the moment the R7 1700X is the only choice since Intel won't deliver 8700K cpu's the couple of months. Until then this is a paperlaunch.
came to say the same thing lol. no need for CTRL+ALT+DEL to get to the task manager when you can CTRL+SHIFT+ESC
It's just one of those keystrokes everyone should know about. Glad I'm not the only one who saw that in this video.
I prefer right click on task bar -> task manager
No need to call names. You shouldn't communicate attacking a person. Here are the rules of online communication for you to read and avoid further senseless comments on your side. www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
send one? i cant see any
Good video, with real world tests !
0:37 Don't worry i still watch your videos for opinions on parts. Im pretty good at knowing which UA-camrs are honest, or at least have been thus far.
The biggest selling point for Ryzen for me is the extra PCI lanes. I'm waiting for Ryzen 2's to come out. I bet they will work on core clock and memory speeds.
Wow, a real legitimate reason is finally brought up. Very good point!
"Intel runs hot" remark sounds really funny, before it was AMD thing :D
I am from the future. Intel cpus run hotter than ever.
@@vogonp4287 buy an intel CPU save on heating your room in winter.. 😆
Jays2cents is Still My favorite coverage👌
Awesome video as always Jay. I’m trying to make the most informed decision on my next PC build, but I’m having a difficult time getting decisive answers regarding the available PCIe-Lanes w/ Ryzen. Could you explain how many via the CPU and/or the Chipset? Also, as it could possibly be a factor in my decision, Thunderbolt isn’t currently available for Ryzen, correct?
60$ less , thats a cheap 8 GB ddr4 ram stick to put into perspective
Given the price point i don't think that's a right assumption. You wont be buying either of the chips if you're on a budget.
it is not 60$ less, because the cooler he used on intell is way more expensive than the cooler on amd, you are not getting that performace on 8700k without a very good and expensive cooling solution, the difference in price is much bigger, and than there is the fact that a decent amd motherboard is much cheaper than the similar board for the intel
Nearly everyone I know with a 1700x DID water cool.
That also depends on which cooling solution you're going with. Its not simple as saying Intel is better or ryzen is better. It depends on your build and what you want to achieve. And the motherboards haven't even been released yet so there is no pricing as of now. Somebody who wants to achieve the best overclock might just want to go for water cooling over air to get more performance out of his hardware. If you're not going for maximum OC there's no point in going with the 1700x to begin with.
Grimy HR Jay Said he can get 4.5 to 5Ghz on a Aio cooler no problem, the Corsair Aio is only 90 quid. Same price as that huge aircooled unit he's using on Ryzen.
Jay, it's not u. If you show the good points of ANYTHING that your fans have a personal bias against, u get accused of being a "shill" whatever that is. These ppl don't learn, so don't waste your breath trying to explain it to them.
So you speak in the name of all the fans ? or are all Jay fans fanboying on a specific brand ? that's kinda far fetched, man.
i have to agree, even when you have blatant visual evidence, there will always be some douche fanboy saying, well that's not true, i had such and such set up running better, so your argument is invalid. if people can't accept the obvious evidence i say fuck em, they are to stupid to grasp it.
Hello. Is it a must when you build a new rig with a 8700K, to put a watercooler on the cpu ? Thanx for the great videos. Emil, Denmark
Did you use the older BIOS on the ryzen build? when you mentioned your system power cycling 3 times before booting with the ryzen i remember my system doing the same thing (but 5 times) which stopped after i installed the agesa 1.0.0.6a update
THE OLD ONES GET CHEAPEEERR YAAY !
Hm, just me is the lights kinda bright? 11:05 and so on :) Just seems a bit orange. Maybe just my screen.
flux?
Looks like the camera is out of focus.
hm yea, did use flux :P Maybe that is also why.
It's definitely out of focus. Which kills me.
Maybe you are color blind, because it is clearly a tan color.
Good video Jay
really nice video...
i am currently gonna upgrade from i7 3770 to 8700K with Aorus Gaming 7 and 4133 ram dou ill stick to Air Cooling with 2x120 or 2x140mm fans on 3000 RPM and hope it should be fine on the 5 GHz...
I got 1,730 score for Cinebench on my Ryzen 7 1700X. It was overclocked to 3.92ghz. It could've gone 4.0, but I didn't feel like pushing it.
akahomie100 might as well have
akahomie100 so you got to 3.92 and decided to stop? Sounds more like you hit that brick wall.
+Sick Humor TV No. It's just overclocking anything higher would've required A LOT more voltage. I did hit 4.0 and it was stable (I was just at 4.0 to test it). I didn't feel confortable with the voltage I was feeding it, so I stepped down. 3.92Ghz did not require any more volts than 3.90Ghz.
akahomie100 I was thinking of getting the 1800x but I want the 8700k as well. I might just wait a few months though to see what transpires in the technology world. What would you recommend.
That's a really good CPU.
It'll beat the 1800x in almost every game (assuming 1800x is at default clock speeds).
However, the best case scenario: if you get the "lottery" chip of 1800x and you overclock it to 4.1ghz with memory speeds up to 3200GHZ... it can potentionally he matched or shorten the gap in games between the two CPUs.
A good overclocking 1800x will beat The 8700K in multi-threaded work loads hands down.
Although, not sure why you got the 8700K. You could've had the 1700, and many are reporting that it overclocks to 4.0GHz with no problem.
You would've saved about $300 (estimating and varies from region to region). The 1700 would've been the better value.
I'll stay with my 6700K. Maybe 9 generation will change my mind...
Dmitry Malysh same here 10nm next
Dmitry Malysh same i am own too i7-6700k and wating for 9th gen :)
Just got 6700k this year; no reason for me either.
My i7 4770K oced to 4.2 GHz runs anything I throw at it still. Only needed a new GPU and better ssds over the 4 years. Still boots in 9 seconds max LOL. You're not alone. Intel /AMD need to work harder to make faster products
Yup I'm sitting on a i7-6700K @ 4.7Ghz here.. I don't see any reason to upgrade until software catches up. Currently most games benefit from raw clockspeed not more cores. So until games start seeing gains from higher core counts, a Quad-core is just fine!
Jay - I've always been curious about the difference in system responsiveness between Intel and AMD when SSDs/RAM are equal. Do you think you could do some kind of video capture analysis comparing the two?
The beard is looking badass Jay!
You can just right click on the task bar to bring up task manager
Or Ctrl + Shift + Esc
Sorry if that's been said before, but how do you define "stock" on the 8700K ? stock is supposed to run 4.3 GHz turbo on all cores, yet you say you see 4.7 GHz on Cinebench. That's not stock, it seems you've been hit by Asus's lately infamous "muticore enhancement" feature.
Come on Jay, please turn this feature off. Stock is 4.3 turbo boost on all cores on the 8700k.
The 4.7 is from Intel's turbo technology. It'll overclock automatically until it reaches a limit.it does it on laptop CPUs too. Because my laptop with a "Max" of 2.3ghz will boost up to 3.1 sometimes when unzipping files and regularly goes to 2.8 when starting programs and running light games. It is a stock feature technically. It's just like nvidias gpu boost 3.0. though I do agree that I'd like to see a stock comparison, with turbo boost turned off. It is also unfair he gave the Intel a water-cooler because the CPU will just naturally clock higher than if he used a similar heatsink to the ryzen system. But I won't knock this review just for that.
Do I smell whine and cheeeeze.
It's stock, 4.7 is stock on a single or maybe 2 cores max. I'm not sure when turbo wasn't a feature on higher end cpu's but I can tell you my "stock" kaby lake did the same thing except on the single core stuff. AMD's do it video cards do it, I do not get why whiney keyboard amd fanchild jockeys complain about a built in feature. I want you to find a clock speed both can be tested at without turbo boosting to make this a fair fight and disable smt and ht and..
I mean how fucking stupid are you?
How do you compare clock speeds alone when the amd can't even attain the same speeds the intel can without major overclocking? Do we have to under clock the intels to match amd's slower offerings? I think in a fair battle you take a golden sample amd at 4.0 and everything disabled and declock a 8700k and disable everything and see who wins.. I do not think you get that this is a stupid comparison. IPC will always win in this case and you are gimping the 8700k to make the amd look good. I say this and I'll point at the single thread tests and rest my case, 6 vrs 8 cores.
This entire conversation is getting stupid because of people like this.
I mean stock is how intel and amd delivered the cpu's Stock clocks and everything and intel beat the amd in every test. Now the whiney amd fanchild kicks in and Here we are, you have to gimp a intel to match a amd over clocked. Let that sink in keyboard jockey.
Face it intel is going to win that is the entire point But you will pay for it amd will produce good product and scare intel occasionally and intel will beat amd into the ground again for a while.
AMD can't compete in the money department Intel will always win in this case. Same as Nvidia
What I'm waiting for *shark teeth are showing little amd whiner* For an 8core 16 thread in cannon lake then that will pretty much end any conversation about this. Then it'll be 8 core vrs 8 core and if you think a 4.0ghz 8core is going to even touch a 5.0 ghz 8 core.. I think this conversation is closed.
Ritaku if it's an enhancement than why can the 8700k get to 4.7 despite the mobo? Look it up on Intel's website. 8700k says 3.7 stock 4.7 turbo
No, gigabyte and asus have this features . It will clock all cores at 4,7 ... It is AUTO OVERCLOCK !!!
Thanks for the fair and honest info.
What is the best z370 board for around £150 I was thinking of getting the ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming K6 but not sure if it is the best for price :)
Jay, one of your popular overclocking videos featured x99 i7-5820k. A lot of us still use this CPU. I'd be genuinely curious to see how this chip compares to the i7-8700k in a number of scenarios, not just gaming. We're talking multiple generations worth of small improvements between the chips. Please consider comparing the two. There are a lot of 5820k users out there.
Agreed. IIRC the 5820 is a 6c/12t CPU as well, it'd be interesting to see how it directly compares (but you'd have to run it in dual-channel mode to make it fair).
I think he gave his 5820k away in a giveaway
After being left in the wilderness with an AMD fx chip for 4 years, I will never buy AMD cpus again.
Hey thanks for the comparison videos I'd really like some benchmark over on the content creation side rendering using 3DSmax and running Unity 3D looks like the 8700k might be the CPU to go for however in my use case for game content creation more cores might be more beneficial giving me a few extra bucks for a better GPU, I'd generally be running Photoshop, 3DSmax and Unity at the same time along with videos, Skype etc on a second monitor also be nice to see some Virtual Machine benchmarks if such things exist thanks again ;)
Better video than @LinusTechTips. Keep up the good work!
Would be awesome to see Corona benchmarks on 8700K
And im here on an i5 650.
Missplaced Oreo i5 560m here
Therollo9 Yeah aye
i am in a Pentium B950, beat that
i5 660 here, such a shit cpu xd
here i have a pentium 4
Still on my 4790K going strong
Same here, no reason to upgrade yet
I think my 4790k will do 3440x1440p with no problems combined with the new volta cards that will be released. I guess we'll see.
I7 2600k vs i7 4790k i dont see big diffrence, stupid kid.
Typical answer "4790k is a HUGE bottleneck hurrdurr lock at all benchmarks!!!! NO I WONT LINK ONE LOOK IT UP YOURSELF!". If you cant link us one then i assume you are just making things up and that your statement is false. :)
I7 4790k does bottlekneck because you are cheating with shitty overclocking all high end cpu and gpu benchmark, same does all stupid tech guy are complain new hardware still using cheating overclocking benchmark in 2017, it dosent mean high-end pc have always better low end pc, it fucking waste of money high-end pc, stupid kid.
Learn fucking pc knowledge better next time idiot.
Hy Jay, if you could include some tests that can cover streamers or streaming that would be awesome. Would really like to see how the systems handle games and workloads while streaming.
Great job and thanks.
I have a quick question Jay, should you Overclock will increased voltages if stable, reduce the life of the cpu.....???
Intel screwed their fans by making them buy a new chipset for a new cpu...its the same socket 1151...and now their saying that next year another new chipset will come out for new CPU's...Gotta love AMD for sticking with the same socket for what in the tech world, is a very long time
Intel are greedy assholes but still I buy their CPU`s because every time I have gone for AMD the last 20 years I have regretted it because of instability and in the end used more money then when I go for Intel because I needed to upgrade much more often.
they kinda aren't making you do anything, i didn't realize them making pretty much the same socket and chip set means you are forced to buy it.
Cheaper an overclock on air why the f*** not? Take my money!
I was waiting for this Intel CPU before upgrading my pc. Coming from an i7 3770k oc to 4.7ghz it has been a very good and capable machine. But it is growing long in the tooth. Thanks for the review. I almost was going to go for the 7770k. If Ryzen had better clock speeds, then I would have gone with that. Pity threadripper didn't up the ante in that area.
Loving that Nixeus screen, loving mine! Which one are you using?
Observation:
I don't think the Ryzen architecture is necessarily the inhibiting factor in it not being able to clock higher... it could be down to the manuf. process itself which is designed to work with lower clocks (not higher ones).
Intel had how many revisions of 14nm process by now?
AMD is technically running on a non-refined 14nm process... hence the clock limitations.
I think it might be fairer to compare AMD's upcoming Ryzen + on 12nm to Intel's offerings as that manuf. process will probably include higher clock speeds with same or lower power draw.
But yeah, Intel has the 'advantage' only because it can clock much higher.
Plus, we don't have a lot of industry software that's optimized specifically for Ryzen's architecture... if we did, we might see a bigger performance difference in AMD's favor.
Still, I can't help but think Intel is playing dirty here. They are forcing higher clock rates at the expense of power draw and unstable temperatures - not to mention incredibly poor cooling due to inferior thermal compound under the lid?
De-lidding is a problematic process which can easily result in a non-functional CPU if done improperly.
AMD did a good job with Ryzen in that regard to the point where de-lidding offers no benefits, but almost guarantees to result in a non-functional CPU.
You're the only person I've seen who mentions optimization, I have no idea why no tech youtuber i've seen has mentioned it AT ALL, at least I'm not the only one who noticed this.
Clock speed for Ryzen appears to be a combination of the architecture and the fabrication process both. Some changes can give higher performance at the same frequency but also limit the maximum frequency you can achieve given the same fab process (i.e. pipeline differences).
intel has been so powerful that so many applications work well with ryzen...
zen+ will need to clock much higher if it is too live up to
1. the expectation
2. competition from cannon lake
I have an 8700k with 8Gb ram, before this i have an 2500k with 8Gb on Dual-Channel mode, an 8700k it's much faster than this, now i'm buying another stick of ram.
I did not pay the upgrade, I sold the 2500k with the motherboard at 600 euros in February.
so glad i purchased the 8700k 3 years ago, hi from 2021 :) also 1080ti, lucky man, great upgrade from 2500k and ATI 5850
Which one would you recommend if one wanted to just live stream? I’m currently still with my i7-6700k, but I have noticed performance dips once I started playing some games while live streaming, I would just like to know for when I plan to upgrade later on
"2017 was an exciting year for PC builders"
Unless you built your PC before the launch of Ryzen like I did....
wow, that's unfortunate
rip my 5930K :(
lol thats still plenty... i'm running fx6300
jklw10 I would say what cpu i have, but that would be repetetive at this point.
RAD Tech 5930k?
im still using Athlon II X3 435
aye y'all maybe using older stuff, but in 2014 this was 2nd fastest CPU bc it was HEDT, now it's beaten by a 'Consumer' part.
But ay, welcome to real progression finally I guess.
I feel you... It's time to upgrade to x299 or x399.
can u make a review about streaming? i rly want know if ryzen would be the better choice for streaming on twitch with obs... like u said there is not much diffrence but i wanna build up a streaming pc for cs:go and we all know that the game is very cpu-intensive and obs also..
@Jay, you can press Ctrl+Shif+Esc on the keyboard to open up Task-Manager. Just fyi. I find it easier because you dont need to use the mouse.