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Intel i7-8700K Review vs. Ryzen: Streaming, Gaming, Delidding [UPDATED]
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2017
- Our review & benchmark of the Intel i7-8700K Coffee Lake CPU, vs. AMD R7 1700, 7700K, & more, including overclocking.
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Why did you compare this to the 1700? I saw another channel did that. I assume Intel told you guys to do it?
The 8700k is $380 and the motherboards are all $150-200. The 1800X is $390-400, with motherboards ranging from $90 (B350) to $200 (x370). The 1700 is down to about $250 and it just makes absolute no sense to compare these two. At least use a 1700X which is running right at $300, but I'd argue that's still not really apples to apples and is closer to the 8700(non-k).
This is a consumer product and price drives comparisons.
Great coverage guys. Note that silicon lottery is delidding all of their pre-binned Intel cpus that they sell.
Charles Anderson the reason for the comparison to the 1700 is that it is by far the most logical choice for enthusiasts. You save $$ and you get nearly identical performance as the OC headroom is not much different.
Also, was the comparison late made with the cpu modded? Why didn't you provide results for both cases in all tests? Not everyone will delid their cpus.
Charles Anderson, I'm guessing that 380usd is for lots of a thousand, not exactly MSRP.
I delidded myself. Thermals did improve but ive got a killer headache.
Now try using liquid nitrogen, that might help
Yea body temp will eventually go down to ambient...
Careful with voltage ripple
Delidding should be done by an expert.
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You should have put Arctic hair-gel 5 and installed a new nzxt kraken x62 with hat support
After Linus's 10 minutes of nothing this felt nice and informing.
Unnamed Internet Citizen Exactly plus you can get a much cheaper B350 motherboard that will oc compared to the Z370 saving even more money 💰
Ryzen is about to get a 12nm/14nm+ refresh as well... so we are going to see bumped up clocks in around Christmas time to early Feburary or shortly there after for Ryzen.
linus would make a better clown
It's a waste of time talking to anyone that gets info from linus...he's like a TRump to real president. All show for sheeps but no good use if you have a bit of brain
Just unsubscribe from that channel.
This is the best review of this CPU honestly, just as you'd expect from Gamers Nexus
Gamers Nexus review are by fat the best reviews, they are complete and informative.
i guess you two havent seen AdoredTV's video on these reviews
What video
Parsa Strife How they got really high scores campared to better trusted sites..
Yes by far the most well presented misleading facts by shills... I agree everything appears to be so legit unless you start to think about the technicalities :P
Gamers Nexus 2017: "Let's delid everything"
Got a toaster? Delid it.
Oven? Delid.
Hair? Delid.
Cat? Delid.
Piers H hmmm delidded overclocked cat...interesting...
Self? Delid.
Lid?
I oced my dick now I can do 350 humps per minute up from 200
Back in the day we used to call that hacking the chip.
Finally Intel is forced to do more then 4/8.. Thank you amd!
technically intel has been selling 6 core 12 threads since 2010 with i7-970 for HEDT consumers first generation of core-i series. First Intel HEDT consumer 8 core 16 thread came out on 2014 via i7 5960x...
Dude, I've seen you replying to so many people, slow your role with the fanboyism, Strider no one likes a fanboy, no matter the company.
Yes they have been making cpus with more then 4 cores for HEDT for many years. But this is mainstream. This is a huge step for Intel and for all the comsumers. Imagen HEDT next year :)
So im a fanboy for being happy that competition forced intel to make better products? If it was the otherway around and intel forced amd to make better cpus i would comment the same way on that!
After watching this I feel like I shouldn't have even bothered watching linus's video on the same. Night and day difference in information quality.
Linus is only for laughs not facts.
Just 1-2 years ago, delliding cpu's was not something people did, and now it seems like it's a normal thing, which is not!!
Fuck intel with their crap tim
Psh timestamps, obviously I'm going to watch it all!
Time Stamp
4:17 Thermals, Delidding, & Liquid Metal
9:18 Game Streaming & Recording Benchmarks
16:44 Power Benchmarks
18:50 Gaming Benchmarks
25:25 Rendering Benchmarks & Conclusion
Time stamps are a really really nice addition! Thanks!
This is the tech channel I most like and trust, easily the best on UA-cam. Thanks for being so awesome
You are wrong. GamerNexus is 2nd. HardwareUnboxed is best. Their tests are way more detailed and cover more games.
Apparently someone is gamer only in mind. *Drops mic*
Both has their own merit. Unboxed gives you numbers, while GN gives you explanation
Minus I like GN because he simplifies his explanations for relatively novice enthusiasts.
"Delid yourself."
-Steve 2017
ISIS overclocking. :D
So my 4790k is still pretty competitive.
Yes. Specially overclocked.
Yep like chosen said overclock it and there's no reason at all to upgrade
Yes, got mine auto overclocked to 4.6GHz.. Hopefully Intel releases something new when Volta releases..
Yep my 4790K is also still going strong. Total beast.
While this is tempting, I'm sticking with mine at 4.7ghz for longer. I've been waiting for more cores. I might try to hold out for an 8 core Intel unless AMD can makes a new CPU that's competitive in single core performance
Big props for measuring turn time instead of fps in civ!!! You can tell most reviewers never played the game, any old shite CPU and GPu can ran it in 80fps.
So it seems Intel sent most reviewers the special binned top % chips, and accidently sent Gamers Nexus a consumer model.
Your time markers in your videos is an excellent idea. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels!
I can't believe steve wrote on the processor with a SHARPIE
almorik Noooooo! That'll never come off! *_NEVER!!!_*
Oh hey isopropyl alcohol.
I'm feeling too hot today. How do I delid myself? Can I use that Thermal Grizzly stuff without any issues?
I vote with my cash... for AMD.
this tech channel is the most informative of all while still having humor, thanks for being awesome Gamers Nexus :D
Frankly, it's absurd that there is any kind of binning or overclocking lottery at all. They should have taken Ryzen's example and sold a 8700/8700k/8700x just like Ryzen has their 1700/1700x/1800x. With Ryzen, you at least know that if you spend more money you will get better overclocking.
Man you guys were lightning fast with this review. Well done!
The format you use for your reviews is simply fantastic. Keep it up.
Nice review. Lot of work done there. Not sure when you did it but huge thumbs up on the new graphics and technique for highlighting the particular CPU you are talking about, so much better than the old gray bars you had before.
Thanks! It got introduced with the case reviews. We like it so far.
Got a 1700 for 260, so if Intel can match that, I would go with Intel. I need that multithreaded performance.
Yeah I got mine for $237. Best buy I've ever made
Bought mine at 300 crazy that the 1700x is not around 300 intel wont compare only need intel for single core
Even if they did, the platform might still cost more and you don't get the same life span out of it.
maj429 :0 237 is a nice deal I wish I had a micro center near me best deal I get are new egg or Fry's / best buy x.x
Damien I actually bought it on jet. It was on sale, and I Used cash back from Ibotta for final price.
First review without a clear bias, thank you!
Thank you for testing with more real world multitasking benchmarks. I hope this will be the norm for all new cpu reviews here on. Keep up the good work.
Alot of people misunderstand this chip.
It's not supposed to be 15% faster than the 7700k in gaming; It's supposed to be slightly faster WHILE having so much more headroom to do other stuff too.
Though ironically, core hopping means sometimes it ends up slower, as shown in ROTR results.
brb delidding myself
Now I just need this exact video but with the Ryzen chips all clocked at 3.9/4.0 and the Intel chips all clocked at 4.8-5.0. Especially the streaming tests where I presume the Ryzen 1700 would be clocking at only 3.0 on most cores and the 8700k would be clocking at only 3.7 all cores (not too sure).
why is everyone comparing it to stock ryzen 1700? this part of intel's agreement? i watched almost every review and almost every review is pitting i7-8700K OC to a Ryzen 1700 stock in benchmarks and charts.. like everyone is doing 1700 stock vs 8700K, not 1700X not 1800X not 1700 OC.. also people arent running bleeding edge ram with ryzen 1700, only review i seen listed ram used 3000mhz ram on a stock R7 1700 but 3200mhz ram on a OC i7-8700K.. im calling BS... wel all know 1700 at 4.0Ghz and 3200Mhz ram has huuuuge gains over stock and 3000Mhz ram, specially fully load the cpu up with heavy tasks like encoding + gaming. im not saying R7-1700 at 4.0Ghz in gaming alone will demolish a 8700K, no way, but when you're pushing things like encoding + gaming on cpu or something more intense, R7 at 4.0Ghz would demolish or at very least match 8700K depending on what was being pushed through the pipe line..... reviewers need to stop bending over for companies, 8700K is a great CPU, but all it is is a 6 core 12 thread Skylake cpu with a few microcode unlocks for some stuff.
Yeah, for the price, it should be against the 1800x with 3200Mhz RAM. Also, no one is mentioning that the 8700K only has 16 PCIe lanes. Ryzen has 24 on all their CPUs.
Actually no, normal Ryzen has 16 lanes - the rest are from the chipset. See:
www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=28977
Intel has been encouraging sites to describe CFL as having 40 lanes, because Z370 has 24 from the chipset, but the link to the CPU is still only a single DMI 3.0 so adding the lanes number together is very misleading, it would imply CFL is akin to IB-E 4820K in lane provision which is crazy, 4-core 4820K can handle 4-way CF/SLI no problem (for 4x GPU for compute), CFL can't do that.
Don't get sucked down the PR rabbit hole of adding lanes direct from the CPU to those from chipset. :)
No, I have a Ryzen. It has zero lanes from the chipset. All lanes originate from the CPU. And there are 24 of them (it can actually do 32, but AMD removed 8 of them for cost reasons). 4 of those PCIe 3.0 lanes do go to the chipset and are split up into PCIe 2 lanes. I currently have 2 video card at x8 and an nvme drive at x4, all PCIe 3.0. That's 20 lanes right there at PCIe 3.0. I also have an x16 slot with x4 PCIe 2.0 lanes and three x1 slots with one PCIe 2.0 lane each. These PCIe 2 lanes are split from the last 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU for a grand total of 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes or 27 lanes if you count all the lanes available for expansion.
Yeah, was wondering about the same thing. Well, either way, I'm getting an 1800X.
AlienRenders PCIe Lanes dont cost money. And no there isnt a Am4 chip with over 16 pcie lanes.
If you watch this at 0.75x speed, it's hilarious. He sounds so drunk.
maynardburger looool
LMAO so true
my god lol
Stock 1700 vs delidded 8700k? Really? Is that part of the Intel reviews agreement?
stirlmc1 he wants to show that stock ryzen is enough for 100% quality to the viewer, oc-ing it just gives the streamer more fps.
This feels like the only place to come to for actual information with no theatrics. Love it. Keep up the great work.
Upgrading my 2500K to a 6700K was the best decision I have ever made. Kaby lake and Coffee lake are essentially the same as my Skylake with about a 10% improvement more or less. I see absolutely no need for me to upgrade to Coffee Lake.
The 8700K seems like it is a beast, but I am still going with the Ryzen 1700. I don't imagine putting anything more powerful than the GTX 1070 in my PC within the next 2-3 years, so the gaming performance gap won't be as big as shown here. Also, the 1700 comes with a cooler and has cheaper motherboards. I would be paying at least $100+ if I went with the 8700K.
its been 3 years, what gpu and cpu you on now :P
@@shane6023 Still the 1700 and a GTX 1050. 😪
@@TheLegendarySchmidt well I think you made the right choice with the cpu, would of been pointless getting the 8700k.
I'd say i5 for enthusiast gaming, i7 for production and enthusiast gaming, and Ryzen for price/performance and so probably most people.
Except that makes no sense since locked i5 is cheaper than comparable Ryzen CPU, AND a good bit better in games. Intel is the clear winner for gamers. 8700k is the clear choice for gaming and productivity, since it beats even the 1700x in many multithreaded workloads.
Have you seen that power consumption? Not good at all compared to ryzen and the 7700k.
The Powah, are you fucking delusional? Since when is $300, $100 less than $360? Oh, and the 8700k out-performs the R7 1700 in many multithreaded workloads and productivity tasks.
What the fuck are you talking about Carson? Power consumption is a complete non issue. It's barely higher than a 7700k, which is expected considering the 2 extra cores.
Sanctorum The 8400 boosts to 4Ghz which means a handful of FPS better than a 1600 at 4Ghz at 1080p, but up to 40% worse in production. You're better off buying into the longer life span of the B350 platform instead of locking yourself down with a non-overclocking motherboard that costs the same, or paying more for one that does overclock. Even aside from the platform, as games use more threads, the 1600 will end up outperforming the 8400.
The 8700K isn't better than an R7 in productivity either, it matches it, whilst costing more as far as the 1700 and 1700X are concerned. It's true that it's better in gaming, but that depends on the situation; if you've got up to a GTX 1070 or are playing at 1440p or 4K, if there's any extra FPS from the i7, ir probably won't justify the extra cost of it for most people. Even to add to that, the savings in buying say a 1700 over an 8700K could be the difference between a GTX 1080 and a GTX 1080 Ti which will ultimately yield more FPS.
Coffee Lake's for those who want to squeeze the maximum amount of FPS from their systems, and so for the majority Ryzen's the better buy overall.
Not gonna lie: I really liked the real-time progress bar with time stamps. Good work.
Your graphics department is killing it! Nice work!
Nothing like getting 10 notifications from all the best tech channels. But you're my favorite!
Another chip that you don't need if you only game, that has to be delided ..... Intel plz start soldering
Damien its because they are rushing. They take a skylake chip, add two more cores, cover in thermal paste and churn out. On top of this they introduce a new socket for 8-12months life span.
Then the intel fan boy army jump on you cause it has higher fps at 1080p (regardless of cost, power and heat).
Cant wait for 9700k in July 2019
I used my i5 2500K for 8½ years before i upgraded to a i7 8700K, the i5 2500K served me well, hopefully this i7 will serve me just as good.
Well, bought mine at launch and by now those 6 cores are getting absolutely pegged.
I might get a few more months out of this but it gave me over 2 years of great performance.
The real question is:
Is an i7-8700k @ $360 a better deal in price to performance when MicroCenter sells the R5-1600x for $199.99 and the R7-1800x for $349.99.
I chose the 1600x, but it seems they are all good. AMD's resurgence is the best thing to happen to consumers and Intel fans in years.
As always, great work Steve. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to create those very informative graphs, you guys really have the absolute best and objective coverage out there.
Way too hot on stock.... Nice video, thanks for that. Also I am happy to see Intel finaly moving - thanks to competition. But... man. Initially delidding the "top" cpu - intel has fallen deep and too many - here as well - are totally ignoring that shitty passage they walk along while praising intel.
Derbauer's got like 30 chips and a batch are Asus binned, so I don't think it's very fair haha
Since CoL's mainly a paper launch, I wouldn't be surprised about that.
Thank you for doing delid testing right off the bat, it is much appreciated.
This is why I love Gamers Nexus! very detailed, informative and educational! I look here every time i need to check something before buying.
got a i7 3770k and need to upgrade to something that does better in multitasking... 1700 oc to 3.9-4.0 ghz seems to be the best bang for the buck? choices...
Andrés Rázuri Linus did a price to performance chart for productivity. Check that one out. I'd say the r7 is good for the high end value though.
yeah i did, i guess the best option is the one you are able to get for less money when you build a new system
Hmm maybe wait and see what AMD do with 12nm ryzen. Somewhere around February then decide.
oh yeah, if ryzen manages to increase IPC then its game over
so then go ryzen bc you will be able to reuse the board and other components you use and upgrade the cpu. the only thing you may need to replace is the MB if, and IF, the ryzen+/2 moves to quad channel
These legacy benchmarks are really useful. Seeing how the new chip compares to my 4790K is a more meaningful reference to me.
Looks like I can still hold on to my Devil's Canyon CPU for a while.
Yo, I was wondering what you did with your 4790k. I picked one up 2yrs ago for fun and it is good but I haven't used the PC in a minute might sell it. Not sure yet
@@dragonbike471 It's become a very inefficient media PC😂
@@bbqR0ADK1LL yeah that's what I thought... It's so power hungry
I love how so many media outlets ignore the i7-3970X sandybridge era extreme edition CPU. Probably afraid of it beating the 8700K in value and loosing sponsorships LUL. My 3970X clocks to 4.5Ghz on auto vcore and auto settings without any issues, I can push it to 4.8Ghz if I wanted to maybe even 5.0Ghz.
The 3970X has 6 core and 12 threads, and is based on the E5-1600 series of Xeons so it's actually fairly well optimized design and binning quality compared to the consumer grade i7's. The 3970X was a couple that came out for the enthusiast market for almost no reason, not because Intel had to make something, but rather just because they could... $200 today, buy it now on eBay or $130ish if u bid... My own testing makes the 6700K completely pointless.. I don't have a 8700K to compare it to, but seeing 8700K is based on 6700K/7700K with 2 extra cores, it's probably very closely behind a 8700K
19:05 shows us that a 7 year old "equally priced" (ball park, at that time) CPU only performs 36% slower. Hmm..
why only Paul did the proper CPU vs CPU tests based on price and the others are doing based on naming? ta make intel look better when they are not?
i5 8400 vs R5 1600 = AMD wins in 99% of all real life tests.
i7 8700K vs R7 1800x = AMD wins in 99% of all real life tests.
Thats even truer now. It is true that Coffe Lakes availability has normalized, but AMD just dropped the price of the 1800X below the 8700K (at least thats the case here in germany), so AMD still holds the value, not to mention that you still only can buy Z370 boards while you can oc your 1800X (not that you need it) with a cheaper B350
It should be called Covfefe lake, because the global availability is a meme at this time. I love paper launches.
what paper launch? Except for the i3 8350k, everything is now abundantly available here in the Philippines of all places (we always are the last priority most of the time in getting the latest tech). i3 8100, i5 8400, i5 8600k, i7 8700, i7 8700k can be easily bought in pc stores.
Good for you! In Sweden they aren't listed in most stores, same situation in many countries.
1st world problems where people have abundant disposable income and lust for new products. its just day 1, wait for allocation adjustment where distro will ship more product to where demand is high... since i lived in the 3rd world, i need to wait 3 months more to get lower end motherboards and that is sadder i think
RatSlayer 420 taking a look at all these custom Vega 64 and 56 GPUs...but wait
Steve I'm liking the new animations and time bars in your videos. Looks excellent!
thank you for indicators in the charts.
Cores/thread counts not being supported... this is where the Intel bullshit has completely fracked us. Devs had absolutely no reason to bother with learning multithreading when duel/quad cores were mainstream. Now where 8c/16ct processors are reasonable, they will have to catch up. I still think Im going to go with 1700 OC'd for my next build, its still a compelling buy and I really don't want to reward Intel for their obvious foot dragging.
It may still be quite a whille store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/ the amount of people who still have under 4 cores is quite large but it's slowly going down but it might not be tell years later when it becomes 50% have 6 core 12 thread CPUs that they even care to opimize more. I my self will be waiting for Zen 2 or 3 as the reasons to upgrade when I am gpu bound in most high res gaming is very small
You can't really go by that survey.. the gamers market up until this year was mostly 4 core parts and devs knew this.
The reason for the number of 2 or 4 core machines can be attributed directly to Intel's laziness with advancing in this area, their pricing when they finally did, and the people who look at AMD with trepidation. This Ryzen line, either directly or indirectly, will go a long way in remedying this. People will either buy these excellent, cheap AMD cpus, or take advantage of the price beatdown they laid on Intel, causing a massive (although temporary and conditional) price cut. I expect Intel to creep their prices back up slowly, and when they do, maybe the devs will see the writing on the wall. Faster or not, AMD is making it possible for more and more people to get into gaming and modern PCs in general than ever before. And that's a good thing
Now, if we can get the price of a 1080ti down from $750, Id be even happier.
@DoctorWho8675309
I forgot to mention this as I got myself sidetracked.. If you do go with a 1700 (or any ryzen), the cost savings of having a future upgrade path with AM4 is also compelling. There are at least 2 more Zen generations, likely more on AM4. With Intel, you're guaranteed to need a new (usually more expensive) MOBO with every upgrade. Just get the x370 chipset so you can OC and handle the new stuff yet to come. I bought a Crosshair VI Hero and couldn't be happier with it.
While great in theory and I'm sure it matter for some people I can't really care too much about AM4 as upgrade platform. I still have a 2500k (considering 8600/8700k now) and by the time I'll upgrade again AM5 will be there. :P
But who knows what I'll do then ofc. Could be a whole different world then. :)
After those rumors about Intel releasing 8c/16t in 2018, Z390 also coming soon and AMD RYZEN 2 on the horizon I‘m Holding on to my 4670K for now
Philipp Klamer its still a great cpu, but thats still retarded. There's always going to be something faster coming up soon, especially now, that we've got both amd and intel being competitive
Yes definitely great CPU but for my usage I'm waiting for 8c/16t consumer chips with high clocks and Chipsets with Wifi onboard. Mostly because my 4670K is still doing fine else I would grad a 8700K or 1700X
WarmSoftKitty Haswell -> Skylake(Kaby/Coffee are the same architecture) is almost no IPC improvement... So I would want a big Clock and/or Thread/Core count advantage so that would make Sense but I Plan on Building an ITX Build next Time and I dont Plan on paying over 2500 for Full system
WarmSoftKitty If you're gonna go with an expensive cpu like that, threadripper is simply a better deal. Imo, the x299 platform simply makes no sense...
HimTortons I value IPC and clocks over Threads After a certain Point so a 7820X would be the Most interesting to me on X299. But then again the mainboard Prices fit better for the i9 CPUs
Its nice looking back at this.
Still have mine.
Nice review, appreicate the details as usual Steve.
Skylake=Kaby Lake (with higher clocks)=Coffee lake (with 2 extra cores): Same CPUs for 3 "generations"! Essentially Intel gave us what they should have given us a couple of years back with Skylake. But they didn't have to cause Ryzen wasn't there back then. If you are on anything Skylake or Kaby lake or Ryzen, don't even bother. The performance difference is not significant and you have no upgrade path. The Cannon Lake CPUs are gonna need a new mobo AGAIN in a few months. Seriously Intel just doesn't learn!
Jesus Christ, shut up you whiny bitch. Posting this shit all over Coffee Lake reviews as if people give a shit about your hard on for AMD? No one does, FYI. Have fun with your shitty Ryzen chip while my 8700k shits all over you :)))))))))))))
Sanctorum Hope your 8700K burns due to its shitty TIM and disgusting thermals alongside your AIO liquid cooler. Have fun spending $380 on something that will get you 5-10 fps more than a $200 1600X ;))))))
If companies don't make consumers happy, they don't get money. What's your point?
it's funny this is still being said by people too ignorant and lazy to look up why coffeelake/updated coffeelake-s is and will be on the Z370 and not the 170/270. That reason is they could literally burn on high-end Z270 models, because they got too high tensions over old gen pins. Cannonlake is moving to a 10mm process so no shit they'd be going to a new socket.
first of all, you're objectively wrong with your performance anecdote. Secondly, if I'm upgrading an old system or building my first system, I would certainly buy intel's newest platform. Don't let the butthurt trump your reasoning -- business practices don't change benchmarks.
shouldve also tested with Vega LC for the gaming benchmarks as the Nvidia Cards dont show ryzen in its best light
26:10 You could color the results according to Intel and AMD here. It would be easier if you want to compare competitiors.
Thank you Gamers Nexus for including turn times with games like Civilization VI that actually show the benefits of a faster CPU for these types of games. Too many reviewers review CPUs on games that simply don't tax the CPU, but instead tax the GPU... which isn't the hardware being reviewed.
Meh...going for ryzen 7 1700.
1. Lower cost
2. Comes with the cooler wich can oc to 3.7 without problems.
3. It has 8 cores and is gr8 for multitask
4. It will do just fine for games
5. No need for fancy motherboard.
Many ignore the obvious point that at 1080p the frame rates are so high, most people will not care anyway. Indeed, unless one is a high frequency gaming fanatic (which sensitises one's vision to that kind of monitor anyway), just lock the screen at 60Hz vsync and it'll be smooth no matter what the CPU, with reduced power consumption, noise, etc.
More like you're just poor.
Salty der Regenmacher More like Intel is just trash.
No point in spending extra just to be relevant for a year. A good choice you have made.
Intel is literally the apple of computing.. Aids.
Amazing how he didn't stress in the video the 1700 is doing all this while at STOCK.....and he never did any 1700 OC performance mesures
"AMD woke the sleeping giant" Yeah and the giant will go back to sleep once its satisfied with its pocketbook.
Heres to hoping that it wont!
Skylake=Kaby Lake (with higher clocks)=Coffee lake (with 2 extra cores): Same CPUs for 3 "generations"! Essentially Intel gave us what they should have given us a couple of years back with Skylake
Thanks for the info guys, best reviews on YT. Would love to a similar thing with 1600 vs 8400
Since this year's shit show, I really don't think I will support Intel ever again. Once again these CPUs don't bring anything new to the table and just win in gaming and single-core performance. I'm interested in the U series counterparts tho, I think more core will really bring a new era for mobile computing and will make better and cheaper laptops, but the desktops is just more of the same.
Subscribed. I got a better mental stimulation here.
So, my 1600 and b350 strix combo for $300 is still a good buy then? It's already 3 months old. OC to 3.9, slap an rx580 and it works brilliantly at 1080p75 with a $160 freesync IPS monitor.
Absolutely great job! Love your attention to detail. It really shows in your methodology.
The motherboards for this are going to be expensive as hell.
in 2017 everybody is a 'streamer'
Yeah, it has become a focus for comparisons, but how many people are actually doing it?
And how many are doing it with over 3 viewers? Rendering a clip 10 seconds quicker is even more important! Don't forget to leave Google Chrome on while you're gaming!
Great video Steve! Looking at the power draw section. What was the voltage on the overclocked R7 1700?
re, Optimising for Streaming
What you want to do, especially with lots of cores available, is set the Core Affinity to make sure the Game isn't using the same cores as the streaming software.
A simple enough tweak in task manager, or you could make a bat file to start an application with a certain core affinity. (for example steam, which in turn will make any games steam launches, inherit the core affinities.)
I really think Core Affinity tweaks should be part of the comparisons, as it makes much more sense to do it that way, compared to Prioritization.
Run 8700K overclocked against a stock clocked Ryzen. Seems fair. Core enhancement is on.
Also didn't test a comparably priced CPU but one a whole tier below.
Not worth upgrading from my delidded 7700k. 1-5 fps difference
Some games like more cores, others don't like going past 4, so clock for clock and overall it's the same since single-threaded performance hasn't changed.
Djinn! Yep not worth needing a new Mobo for sure specaily if you don't play in 1080p
nah i Always play 3440x1440 or 5120x2160 on my 1080ti
esperCELL lol bullshit 25% if both chips are at the same clock speed single thread would be the same.... There are some games that can use more cores and show a difference when the single thread is the same as the one with fewer cores. But the single thread performance is no way any bit higher just like 6700k vs 7700k clock for clock they are identical single thread performance
I7 7700k stuttering machine in crysis
Are we ever going to see overclocked streaming benchmarks? I feel that would help out a lot. With regards to Civ6 (or any civ) the game is optimized for 2 threads, so more than 2 threads will not help, after that it becomes a term of frequency.
Great job as always, the thing that surprised me with this was the overclocked 8700k drew more power than the 1950x stock. Ryzen power efficiency, woot.
I fucking love this channel. Even my brother will watch your videos with me and his attention span is horrible lol.
NZXT PUCK
yes, got to have the bookshelf bracket holder, errrr, CPU stand, lol.
_Still_ only 16 PCI-E lanes. GD Intel, please stop. I get you're scared of Nvidia, but just stop.
This should be the real story of this launch.
Michael Kreitzer We haven't even gotten close to saturating 8 PCI E 3.0 lanes on one consumer GPU. A Titan X Pascal running at PCI-E 1.0 speeds only slows down by about 5%.
If all you care about is gaming sure. Toss a couple of NVMe SSD's, some VR sensors, a SAS RAID card for a bulk storage solution, networking, sound, video capture, etc on there, and it becomes a problem. Or, heaven forbid, you might want to do some CUDA dev.
Even if the _raw_ throughput of the 16 lanes is sufficient, physical lane/slot layouts combined with lane configuration to onboard components will often limit you. Since everything is so severely oversubscribed you have to be very careful about how you connect things. That fancy new mobo may have two or more usb 3.1 ports, but it's probably sharing a couple of PCI lanes with everything else. Hope your motherboard vendor bothered to provide proper documentation..
this
According to another reviewer, the 370 chipset is just a 270 adjusted to work with coffee lake chips, so they could get them out earlier. Next year, the 390 boards will release with the originally planned 300 series chipset supporting additional pcie lanes, larger core counts, additional nvme support, etc.......
The most informative video on this CPU so far.
Am I the only one that would feel bad investing in an z370 motherboard knowing its only a stop gap till z390 hit?, to me it feels like buying something that is already known to be obsolete very soon, especially since they supposedly say there will be performance increases with z390. Anyone else feeling this?
So a 5 year old oc'ed 2600k has about the same perfomance with todays cpus..
But hey we get 2 extra cores after only 10 years with quad cores.
john K. because games don't benefit so much from extra cores so Intel had no need to add them until now, and that is bs that 2600k (even with OC) would be equal to 8700k, according to benchmark tests not even close
atleast correct your mistakes mentioned by Adored
Watching the latest videos from this channel almost makes me think its totally normal and acceptable having to delid and void waranty on a $420 cpu (yes thats the price of i7 8700k where i live) in order to play games with it safely...
you video might be long but it is worth it. you showed a lot of info well done
Ryzen kills it while streaming. Wow
esperCELL It's just factual
What's up icy?
xNinja83x sup
No one is streaming dude. Perhaps less than 1/1000 gamers do it.
For content creation, productivity, and gaming, AMD offers up something special for the money. We can sit here and try to crunch made up numbers all day, but price matters.
People will be like "well intel is giving like 130FPS in nearly every game!"
Ok, cool. We also need to stop pretending the majority of PC gamers have monitors to take advantage of 100+FPS. They don't. Most PC gamers play at resolutions of 720p-1080p @30-60FPS.
Morning embargo covfefe oh yeah
If you got a i7 2600 or newer no need for upgrade. Use the money on videocard or SSD. When games start to need the extra 2 cores intel will be on 7nn or 10 nn cause the software developers are slow.
For me i7 8700 is a great buy. No need to OC, future proof for at least 5 years and it´s more than I need now. They cost about one and a half month worth of minimum wage here in Brasil and 2x month for the K version.
Hi GN and Steve! I have a video request.
You see, I personally think that more threads means robust multi tasking and now I have a question. Could you please do a head to head for the i5 8400 vs the R5 1600? Not in gaming, but in multi tasking work load as in, browser open, an anti virus scan running the back ground, Gaming in fullscreen and some other background apps running.
I want to see whether the extra 6 threads of Ryzen make any difference here against the locked threads of i5.
Thanks and Regards!
That kind of benching is very hard to do; how does one create a repeatable test? It's why most sites don't bother. A valid question though, more cores does mean background tasks like AV will be handled better.
How far can an 8700k overclock on the stock heatsink?
It cant, when you buy 8700k it doesnt come with one. You have to buy one. I have seen 5.0 ghz up to 5.2 ghz so far with 240mm AIO
H115i
In short: Good... but not good enough.
It would be if I could still use my Z270 board...
It seems like a great competitor in the market to me. I don't think any generational improvements are enough to justify an upgrade of only 1-2 generations. Upgrades only make sense when a computer is no longer able to do what it was made to do or when it can boost productivity enough to provide tangible gains.
in short: R.I.P AMD.
Not at all... you still have crappy IO on the Intel chips and ridiculous power usage for the i9s .... if you want the highest FPS then sure, but in general AMD's setups are still more well rounded at each tier of performance.
AMD lost again...lol
Why no OC tests for 2nd streaming benchmark? Clearly both CPUs could benefit from OC with nearly 50% dropped frames.
Hi, thanks for this great and complete video. Do you advise re-sealing the IHS with silicone or just put it on top ? Thanks
Can this review be more sponsored by InHell ?
This chip is an abomination and usable only if the following are met :
1.Voided warranty (by deliding)
2.Ultra xpensive liquid cooler.
3. you bench it against STOCK AMD ......
That is fair review .... sure .....
For benchmarks - R7 1700 @ Stock , for POWER DRAW - R7 1700 @ 3.9 ...
Can this be more of a joke ? It woulda been funny if it wasn't pathetic ....
1700 for me. My money goes to the company that doesn't have a history of anticompetitive practices and screwing over their customers.
The 8700k is a beast,
probably have to wait till January before I can get one and see how they are going in terms of bios stability etc. Should be fine though
great vid! been waiting on this one.