What I like about your OC trials is the amount of knowledge you have and how you explain it to the users. Even if I like to undervoltage to prevent those insane power usages.
Undervolting is only necessary if temps are getting too high for your liking..for example, Core i9-series or even laptops benefit much more from undervolting than an RTX 4070 Ti Super that's already below 70ºC lol.
There was nothing wrong with him. You all fall for the trap out because he knows how ignorant and gullible most individuals are. The man uploaded a picture of a arm at a clinic. He did this during the pandemic when his viewership were going down because he didn't know how to pivot from doing PC builds during the GPU shortage.
yup then eventually might get a bit unstable if its not water cooled or liquid my 6800 reference gets a 16% boost on the lows when i overclock but gets unstable at some point in reality that is like 6-12fps in some areas@@hairychesticles1
I remember certain lines of the rtx2000 series had vastly different mem speeds based on the manufacturer. I remember my zotac extereme whatever 2070 had significantly faster mem speed than all but 2 or 3 other 2070 cards which were near the same. Those specific cards could get really close to the 2070 super base time spy scores.
I'm still rocking my 1070ti but it is starting to degrade. I've lost about 75mhz of stable overclock in the past 2 years but I'm pumped to the 4070ti super or maybe wait for next gen see how it goes
You can overclock to get more clockspeed out of the 4070Ti Super , but you cannot overclock to get more L2 cache. 4080 has 64MB of L2 cache, 4070Ti Super has 48MB .
IM calling BS, been mining with every card you can think of over the last 6 years, and your not pushing your memory 1250mhz, and your core clock.. and your Power limit 18 percent... which I dont think they even alow you too go past 110 on all the cards ive played with in the 4000 series... and your saying its increasing your temps by 2c.. your full of crap man im sorry.. just straight lies, maybe your getting plus 2c if you droped the power limit 18 percent.. which is possible unlike what you said.. and had your fans running 80-100 percent. post the data @@ElmorQuistin
Does anyone remember the Sapphire X800GTO2 from back in the day? You could flash it to a full on X850XTPE, it would take CS:Source FPS from around 60, to around 120... just with a BIOS flash, and still had more room to overclock it beyond that.
nVidia had a similar thing back in 2003 with their GeForce FX 5900-series. You could make any of the following cards become the same as their top-model GeForce FX 5950 Ultra (256 MB) after just a simple Bios flash: GeForce FX 5900 Ultra (256 MB) GeForce FX 5900 XT (128 MB) GeForce FX 5900 SP (128 MB) GeForce FX 5900 (128 MB) For the 128 MB models, the improvement was very noticeable.
@@SuperConker That's nonsense. First of all, the 128MB would be gravely missed sooner or later. Secon, at least XT and ZT (what's SP?) hat much lower clocking memory, so you could never reach 5900-speeds. I don't know about the difference in 5900, 5900 Ultra and 5950 Ultra, though, could be the same, could be slightly different. And thirdly, at least XT and ZT had entirely different PCB and cooling systems so you could never reach the same clock as 5950 Ultra. I could imagine 5900 256MB being identical to 5900 Ultra. All people saying "I OCed card x to level of card y!" always forget that card y could also be OCed in in 99,9% of cases would reach higher clocks than card x. Top tier cards often do not have as much headroom as certain lower tier models but overall clock always will be higher. There might have been very few cases were you really got a downclocked top-tier card with a different name, like X800GTO² beeing a X850XT in disguise, but that always was intentional.
Because that was the intention of X800GTO², clearing the stock of R400-GPUs right beforce X1800-release. X800GTO², guaranteed to be unlockable to 16 pipes, were more expensive than regular X800GTO², which often were not unlockable, but this way sales were boosted by hopes of getting a cheap X850XT. If you were unlucky and your X800GTO was not unlockable, you would have been better of buying an X800XL for about the same price. If you were really unlucky you got one with not unluxckable R430-core and were stuck with 12 pipes AND low core clock, in essence a X800 256MB.
My overclocking these days on nvidia cards, is slide up the power slider as far as it will go and lock the fan speed at 75-80% wack +150 on the core +1000 on memory then call it a day. i havent ran into a 20/30/40 series card that cant do that.
If the fan power usage is a genuine concern, disconnect the fans from the card and connect them to a fan hub or similar (it's easy enough to get an adapter for this). Or just deshroud it and point a leaf blower at the card.
@@dkindigsame I got my 3070 during the drought and didn't regret it then but ever since said I should have waited longer but my build was waiting for a GPU. I'm fairly happy but I've switched to a 34uw 1440p monitor and I play VR. So gonna maybe swoop the 4070s or 4070ti super. Can't decide if pay the extra like 250 for 4gb more of vram or not
@@str8ripn881 I don't know if the extra 4GB is worth it. Ti Super is a beast at anything 1440 you can throw at it. I've been running 4k with it for a while (dlss quality for a couple of titles) and it's doing pretty good at that too. From what I've seen Super and Ti Super performance is VERY close. In Starfield at 4k with a 60GB HD texture pack: 10.5GB vram used. If you're not going to ray-trace or path-trace the extra vram doesn't seem to be a plus.
I don't know if the extra 4GB is worth it. Ti Super is a beast at anything 1440 you can throw at it. I've been running 4k with it for a while (dlss quality for a couple of titles) and it's doing pretty good at that too. From what I've seen Super and Ti Super performance is VERY close. In Starfield at 4k with a 60GB HD texture pack: 10.5GB vram used. If you're not going to ray-trace or path-trace the extra vram doesn't seem to be a plus.
@@dkindig yeah I play rpg and any single player typically with ray tracing on. Would like to try the path tracing of cyberpunk a little bit. But not a must. I'm kinda concerned with VR performance but I do think I may save some money and just get a Super for this rig sell my 3070. Then I'm gonna plan on a full new build around a late 50series super card or keep the 3070 to put back in current rig then do new cpu with pcie5 ddr5 stuff with the 4070super. Who knows may keep this next card with current rig til the 60series for a full build if the 4070super ends up playing with the 1440p ultrawide and pcvr well enough
2:14 small correction, 4080 power limit is 320W (according to TechPowerUp) not 350W, so the difference is 35W not 65W, and also makes what Jay is doing (adding 10%) more compelling, because 10% of 285W is 28.5W, so almost as much as would be needed to match the 4080 tdp.
Been watching for years, seen several videos of you Oc'ing, but I really liked this. Some how this gave me a way better understanding. This form, but now show us some practical OC for CPU.
The RTX 4080 is 320w, not 350w. 350w might be for a factory OC model like a Strix. 10% ontop of the 4070ti Super is 313w, which isn't that far off from the Founder's Edition RTX 4080.
I remember getting my gtx275 sc for under $300, maybe nearer $250. I used to think of upgrading my gpu as buying a new console. I justified the price because I was going to get a step up in the graphics. If I wanted to splurge, I'd spend near a grand and get a whole new pc build. Now it's $800 just for the card!?! That's crazy stupid. After stupidly buying a 2080 ti, and then never using it(the switch released) I am not buying another new pc build until my pc flat out does not boot. Console gaming is now all I do exclusively. I can afford these new cards, but it's the principle of it that gets me. I'm not supporting this model anymore, when I can just get a ps5(which I haven't done until these survival horror games come out) and a new TV for the price of a gpu. I still keep up on pc gaming though.
Alternatively, get a used card after a new generation comes out. I'll think about a 40 series once they hit eBay for a fraction of the price, if at all.
Interesting to know that Port Royal importance regarding RT. Coincidentally I just finished the 2nd time of undervolting and "overclocking" my RTX 3070 and used Heaven for it. I think since I went for undervolting that shouldn't be a huge issue, but I also don't play any RT Titles at the moment. The Stock settings of the Asus Dual OC 3070 are just so terrible, you can't just plug and play it. Not much performance and the stock temperatures are horrible. Managed to get the Card from a 1.06V @1775 ( 1875 Mhz ) to a stable 0.9V @ 1935Mhz. Probably could push it further, but already super happy with it that way. Temps in my most played game dropped by 10°C, less power draw, same performance ( locked fps ) and so much more quiet. Haha. Love messing around with the hardware. So much fun.
THIS is what I've been waiting for. Initially I was so stoked to get a 4070ti super, but the reviews rly made me go "meh". However I always wondered whether this thing might be an OC beast
I've had mine for about two months now and I'm getting ready to go in and do a serious run at OC, currently have been running DX12 at +120 clock, +1000 mem, clock running pretty consistently at around 2940, and getting performance within just a few frames of a base 4080 at 1440p. Definitely worth it for the savings. Hoping I can find a way to manually bump up voltage and push it further. Temps are excellent!
Nice work Jay, great demo of OCing Nvidia cards. RTX4000 cards are stuck to +5% max OC, like here. AMD 7800XT, 7900XT/XTX, all seem to go +15% if the cooler is up to it, so extremely good for raster, but obviously, they take a hit when it comes to RT, but that's no secret.
I have the crappy msi ventus version but i was able to hit 3000mhz core clock at +190 and keep memory at +1800 for a 1500mhz peak in the memory speed stable.
This is a modern way to over clock gpus to run up to the maximum. It takes time but you can dial in the over clock in the curve editor. Tbis is the way to optimize the gpu at each voltage bin. I watch the temps, mv, and mhz during the bench mark and dial in the top points then interpolate down to my 2d base clocks. I have found this helps if power limit and voltage limit drop tbe mv down but the mhz stays up and causes a crash.
Comparing in overclocked card to a stock card isn't a fair comparison though. It's stock vs stock / or OC vs OC. The 4080 super will probably be a better buy if that msrps at $999. And if the 4080 non-super drops to $900 or so since it'll be between the 4070ti and 4080super, it'll be a better buy this the 4070ti super
he knows that. the point of the video was to show that if you overclocked the ti super then you have something extremely close to the 4080 stock. the 4080 stock was 1200, this one is 800.
I mean. We got Asus here trying to upcharge a 4070 ti Super 150 bucks for a 100 MHz overclock... Or Zotac upcharging 40 dollars for 15 MHz. Could use some Buyer Beware videos as well as the fun OC videos...
I guess ASUS didn't get the memo that these GPU's have been overpriced, and even $800 is alot and we are trying to get back to normal here. That's a red flag for me with ASUS, I like them, but noted that they are gouging minimal gains. I'll go AMD if this keeps up.
i wish so badly i could go AMD but i use Nvidia broadcoast all the time so its a deal breaker. (and no there is no free alternative) I'm jealous of those who don't feel tied down by Nvidias features.@@stever7638
@@potatoskins8155 AMD will likely address the ray tracing with the 5000 series, and with RT being a small factor along with Nvidea not having a huge presence with RT, makes AMD look more viable. Sure Nvidea does RT in a somewhat, mild acceptable manner...they surely don't make games playable under $800..so why bother. I will surely boycott the current price gougers, as a 7900 XT or even the XTX is very future proof at 1440P. Who cares about max settings, 16X AA at 4K? Turn AA down to 2X or off and just about every card works at 1440P above $300 w/o RT.
I did some good experimentation (mostly synthetics as well as one esports game, Asphalt 9 running at 500+fps) and posted my findings on the nvidia subreddit. I have a 4070 ti zotac amp holo, which allows my slider +20% power. This made a huge difference and I was able to comfortably get memory clocks to 12501 stable, by maxing out the slider in afterburner. I also got the core stable to 3030mhz with a +258 increase. These results put it roughly halfway between the 7900xtx and 4080 according to your previous testing. And put it far above the 4070 Ti. I do still feel the power limit HEAVILY even at this point though so I'd love to see what a custom vbios or other mod could do for this card.
Jay is right...this card will go down as the sweet spot 40 series card. Glad you can now get 16 gigs of ram in the 70 bin. You could get 16 at launch with the 60ti, but with a memory subsystem that couldn't fully realize the buffer.
LMAO, no it won't. This is a $800 card that gets outperformed by a $650 AMD card. Remember that in 2020 $699 got you a 3080, which offered 50% more performance than the outgoing top card (2080 Ti). Meanwhile, this shitbox card gets like 15% more performance than the 3090 and is like 26% faster than a 3080. The sweet spot for the 40-series is buy a 4090 or buy AMD.
@@Ladioz depends on which model you buy, I have a sapphire nitro and I have it as max as I can possibly go. 980mv undervolt, 2600 mem, 15% power limit, and 3200 boost clock. I have the fans set to max 60% and it always runs cool and quiet, fans don't even kick on until 2 hours or so. It gets me roughly 16% more performance across all games I play. Its almost 4070 ti level for $540 is what I paid
The best thing about 7800XT is that it barely gets hot, the same with 7700XT. both are designed so well. However I would go for the 2 fan card, to be more silent and spread less heat in the case@@braxfl7462
@@braxfl7462 same. I have the 7800 xt gigabyte oc, temperatures don't get above 60, and rarely even hits that. Mainly floating between 50-56. I'm also going blow for blow with the 4070 ti, even beating it in some games. I'll take that for $300 less. Im also using the fsr3 md, and I'm getting the same ray tracing performance as the 4070 in cyberpunk. The 7800xt overclocked is crazy crazy value.
Jay the statement of the 4070 Ti Super being the best value overall card, I don't think it will still be true once the 4080 super comes out if someone could get a card at a MSRP. But the 4080 Super may be the best bang for your buck card and the longest lasting GPU to hang onto for years to come as a 4k Gaming GPU. I still have my 3080 and it still games great at 4k with triple A games. Can't wait to see your breakdown on the 4080 super and if it will be worth upgrading from the 3080 for 4k gaming and editing
I upgraded from a 1080 to a 1440 ultrawide a few years back, so the 4070 ti super is probably the best card for a 2k gaming experience, I would assume.
the 16 gb on the 4070 is great for our office application which needs extra vram, i could see this card being great for students as well who are messing around with modeling type software and need the vram but cant spend a lot, i think people are writing this card off but it actually has a huge use case. My office cant spend 2k on a 4090 but 700 bucks for a 4070 is amazing.
That's where m at I'm making a career change into 3d animation (or hoping to) and so there's no way I can justify a 4090, but the VRAM cache on this card is EXAXTLY what I need for my unreal scenes, at a price I can just about manage.
@@matthewward1346 If your worried about 2k on 24GB on a 4090 go with the 3090 24GB for just $600 in the used market. Although the 4070Ti Super 16GB performs much better then the 3090 with better power efficiency as well.
No voltage curve. 👎 It lowers secret clocks/shuts off core clusters in the background and lowers performance with Ada architecture. It works wonders on my 3090, but those days are over.
@@802Garage You can lower your power draw and temps, but it's no longer "free". To be fair it is not as essential as it was on the 30-series. That Samsung 8nm process is hella power hungry. 3090 performance differed greatly if you had a model with two or three 8-pin connectors. My FTW3 could pull 480W past 2GHz with a dirty OC. Undervolting dropped it to 450W max with most games under 420W and still hold 2Ghz. Ada Lovelace is much more power efficient.
not gonna lie im with the ending statment. i dont have fun overclocking anymore. i had fun overclocking my 1070 back when i built my first computer. but with my 3070ti. just doing a simple +100 it would work fine in timespy, but randomly crash in a few min of lies of p gameplay at 1440p. and the +100 didnt even get me that much more performance.
Great video! I followed your steps and manage to get some overclocking done. Here are my Overclocks on my Gigabyte Gaming 4070 Ti Super, Power limit } 112% Core +225 } 3000-3030 mhz Mem +1500 } 12000 - 12010 mhz w/custom fan speed.
I have MSI 4080 Super OC and it is already overclocked. When I boost some clock for GPU and memory 250/500, I get about 4% boost, which is not noticeable. Rendering the same file in Davinci is getting boost from 9m 12s to 8m 50s. But would rather have more stable system than trying to gain more than 4-5% in performance boost.
burnt a card doing this. it had the really strange effect of sort of seeing through walls. The other players would be slightly visible due to some sort of rendering issue. Lot of static though, but did still run.
You burnt a card because you ignored every warning. Hopefully you learned from this experience and haven’t kept playing a game while there were visual bugs.
I found the game with RT that was most reliable to test my OC on was Cyberpunk 2077, it would reliably crash when unstable with both core and memory OC.
Fair, but to be completely honest, neither are really great 4K cards. They're a bit awkwardly positioned. I've tested both resolutions on the 4080 and you really give up a lot of performance (sometimes to a crawl), at least in modern titles. You can certainly give it a boost with DLSS/FG. The 4080 really shines at 1440p high refresh rate. It gets choked up pretty quickly at 4K. Then again, you can always turn down things like path tracing. Part of it is also poor game optimization, especially for ports. It will be interesting to see how the 4080S lands in these performance metrics.
Every game engine is different, you may have a stable OC in some titles, then suddenly you play another title that utilize the GPU in a different way and it crashes. I'd say it takes about a week to OC a card, add a few more days for every different game engine you use.
Well done video, hope you're doing well sir! Three years ago, without covid fallout, this is right about where this performance should be priced....at its max.
I can’t believe the piece of silicon wifey got in her 4070 to Super. Thing runs steady at 3075 mhz and the memory runs at 12100. It does it without having adjusted the voltage. Scores close to 26000 constant in 3DMark, over 26500 in CB 24 and can run cool in Furmark. That’s unreal silicon lottery for ya.
as someone who had a 2080ti up until like 2-3 weeks ago, my brother bought me this card (bless his soul) and its been a mind blowing upgrade for me, especially working in 3D rendering etc, like actually life altering, also considering how affordable it is in comparison to the other options, I'm a huge fan to be honest.
You can set the V/F in the curve chart what are you talking about? Lock your V/F curve to 1075mv 1100mv isn't even safe for the memory controller. Transient loads greater than 125mv @ 1075mv will exceed the 1.2v which nvidia purposefully hardcaps.
It should be the 4075. If you want to push it to use the max wattage, just for the hell of it, try Topaz video enhance AI. That will find an unstable overclock very quickly. I never thought of the power draw from the fans. I learned a lot watching this.
So the answer is yes, Asus TUF has minimal improvements to the power limit meaning with a slightly better card you can easily match a stock 4080 without having to spend insane upcharge for the premium models.
DOesnt it still use more power draw for the performance? On benchmarks i've seen the ti super drawing more power vs 4080 that was drawing less AND providing higher fps
@@opti-mus Any gigabyte other than windforce, higher tier palit or basically anything that isn't the lowest quality model said company provides should be fine. In short, go 1 above the cheapest triple fan you can get in any lineup.
You're always my go to on making final decisions on pulling the trigger for hardware upgrades. Going from a 2080 super I've been thumbing around the GPU market and as always you make my decision a comfortable one. Thanks for the info as always and your ability to teach me something everytime.
OC is fun, you are damn right. And they stole it from us, did it themselfes, maybe better maybe worse, and sold it back to us for a premium. I'm quite frustrated by that tbh. I mean, oc assisting circuitry is great to have, but not gaining anything substantial from tweaking manually is a worse overall product experience
Just got the 4070 Super TI for $750 for a Prime Day deal. I was planning to do the 4070 Super but the $80 drop on it got me excited. The funny thing is that I'm coming from the 1070... another insanely good value card that may be towards the top of the best value to performance card ever.
Hi a have a MSI RTX4090 Ventus 3X for 1500€ on R5 5600X and it is overkill. Today i get a the same card asus tuf 4070ti super for 700€ and it is fantastic, and sold the msi 4090 for 1400€ to the same guy with the 4070ti super. We switched the card, 700€ in my pocket and now the 5800X3D is on the way for 250€. I play ony 1080p thats the reason I dont need the 4090. Previos card in my pc was Gainward 3060ti Ghost.
285-350w, since it's limited to ti super, Nvidia needs to make a 4080 Downclocked to make the models reach one and the others with OC😁. Fun to see the recovery of the drivers in case you want to save files and reboot. OC on the go is fun without closing opening.👍🏼
I just did a test on my set up after installing my new 7900xt. I updated the motherboard bios and got re-sizable bar as a new option. I ran a bench mark in port royal and COD MW3 with the stock setting on my 13700k and 7900xt with rebar off and had a avg. 172FPS. Then i enabled rebar and used the intel OC to get a auto OC on the 13700k then tuned the 7900xt and got a avg. of 196fps in MW3 and the port royal scores went from 14350 ish to 15240 ish. I was pretty impressed with the results that got I can totally see how this can become a hobby on its own lol.
You can see the tgp in gpuz under the advanced tab after selecting vbios in the pull down. Also unlocking voltage control is usually a pain with afterburner not that it would be helpful with the power limit
What I like about your OC trials is the amount of knowledge you have and how you explain it to the users. Even if I like to undervoltage to prevent those insane power usages.
Hi daniel
Undervolting is only necessary if temps are getting too high for your liking..for example, Core i9-series or even laptops benefit much more from undervolting than an RTX 4070 Ti Super that's already below 70ºC lol.
Hope you're feeling healthier, wish you the best recovery. Loved the video.
What the OP said goes ditto from Down Under mate.
... and from across the ditch in NZ hehe 🐑
There was nothing wrong with him. You all fall for the trap out because he knows how ignorant and gullible most individuals are. The man uploaded a picture of a arm at a clinic. He did this during the pandemic when his viewership were going down because he didn't know how to pivot from doing PC builds during the GPU shortage.
@@disguiseddv8ant486 How far outta your ass did you pull that comment from?
@@DeadOmenz Not far at all. It was right on the edge.
Bruh this is one of the best overclocking video I've seen and it was mainly about the 4070TI than overclocking.
This was your best gpu overclock tutorial by far. Thank you! You made it make so much sense.
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This almost has 1070Ti vibes when people overclocked them and basically had 1080 performance.
its not rly a big gain with the OC. my 6800xt got about 5-10fps with an OC same with my 2070 got about 3-8fps
yup then eventually might get a bit unstable if its not water cooled or liquid my 6800 reference gets a 16% boost on the lows when i overclock but gets unstable at some point in reality that is like 6-12fps in some areas@@hairychesticles1
I remember certain lines of the rtx2000 series had vastly different mem speeds based on the manufacturer. I remember my zotac extereme whatever 2070 had significantly faster mem speed than all but 2 or 3 other 2070 cards which were near the same. Those specific cards could get really close to the 2070 super base time spy scores.
only overclocking vram makes difference
I'm still rocking my 1070ti but it is starting to degrade. I've lost about 75mhz of stable overclock in the past 2 years but I'm pumped to the 4070ti super or maybe wait for next gen see how it goes
You can overclock to get more clockspeed out of the 4070Ti Super , but you cannot overclock to get more L2 cache. 4080 has 64MB of L2 cache, 4070Ti Super has 48MB .
This might be reason why they cut the L2 tbh. It would have been too close to the 4080.
I didnt know they gut the cache...THAT makes all the sense why the 4070 ti is closer to the 4080 smh
IM calling BS, been mining with every card you can think of over the last 6 years, and your not pushing your memory 1250mhz, and your core clock.. and your Power limit 18 percent... which I dont think they even alow you too go past 110 on all the cards ive played with in the 4000 series... and your saying its increasing your temps by 2c.. your full of crap man im sorry.. just straight lies, maybe your getting plus 2c if you droped the power limit 18 percent.. which is possible unlike what you said.. and had your fans running 80-100 percent. post the data @@ElmorQuistin
@@ElmorQuistinso? His point still stands
4080 Super might be appealing if you could get it for $1k MSRP but at $1100-1200 it just starts to look stupid.
Does anyone remember the Sapphire X800GTO2 from back in the day? You could flash it to a full on X850XTPE, it would take CS:Source FPS from around 60, to around 120... just with a BIOS flash, and still had more room to overclock it beyond that.
Yea these are mythical stories now.
Yeah I agree with the other guy that's the type of stuff I wish would still be possible at least at some level
nVidia had a similar thing back in 2003 with their GeForce FX 5900-series.
You could make any of the following cards become the same as their top-model GeForce FX 5950 Ultra (256 MB)
after just a simple Bios flash:
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra (256 MB)
GeForce FX 5900 XT (128 MB)
GeForce FX 5900 SP (128 MB)
GeForce FX 5900 (128 MB)
For the 128 MB models, the improvement was very noticeable.
@@SuperConker That's nonsense. First of all, the 128MB would be gravely missed sooner or later. Secon, at least XT and ZT (what's SP?) hat much lower clocking memory, so you could never reach 5900-speeds. I don't know about the difference in 5900, 5900 Ultra and 5950 Ultra, though, could be the same, could be slightly different. And thirdly, at least XT and ZT had entirely different PCB and cooling systems so you could never reach the same clock as 5950 Ultra. I could imagine 5900 256MB being identical to 5900 Ultra.
All people saying "I OCed card x to level of card y!" always forget that card y could also be OCed in in 99,9% of cases would reach higher clocks than card x. Top tier cards often do not have as much headroom as certain lower tier models but overall clock always will be higher.
There might have been very few cases were you really got a downclocked top-tier card with a different name, like X800GTO² beeing a X850XT in disguise, but that always was intentional.
Because that was the intention of X800GTO², clearing the stock of R400-GPUs right beforce X1800-release. X800GTO², guaranteed to be unlockable to 16 pipes, were more expensive than regular X800GTO², which often were not unlockable, but this way sales were boosted by hopes of getting a cheap X850XT. If you were unlucky and your X800GTO was not unlockable, you would have been better of buying an X800XL for about the same price. If you were really unlucky you got one with not unluxckable R430-core and were stuck with 12 pipes AND low core clock, in essence a X800 256MB.
My overclocking these days on nvidia cards, is slide up the power slider as far as it will go and lock the fan speed at 75-80% wack +150 on the core +1000 on memory then call it a day. i havent ran into a 20/30/40 series card that cant do that.
If the fan power usage is a genuine concern, disconnect the fans from the card and connect them to a fan hub or similar (it's easy enough to get an adapter for this). Or just deshroud it and point a leaf blower at the card.
Off topic but saw your tweet...SOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY It IS not the worse! Keep getting better bud!!!
Yeah I just bought one. I’m sick of waiting for the “perfect” card to come along. I want some 4K performance and overclocking headroom for under $1k
I couldn't hold out any longer. Bought a 3070 during the drought (don't ask) and this card checked off a lot of boxes for me at a good price.
@@dkindigsame I got my 3070 during the drought and didn't regret it then but ever since said I should have waited longer but my build was waiting for a GPU. I'm fairly happy but I've switched to a 34uw 1440p monitor and I play VR. So gonna maybe swoop the 4070s or 4070ti super. Can't decide if pay the extra like 250 for 4gb more of vram or not
@@str8ripn881 I don't know if the extra 4GB is worth it. Ti Super is a beast at anything 1440 you can throw at it. I've been running 4k with it for a while (dlss quality for a couple of titles) and it's doing pretty good at that too. From what I've seen Super and Ti Super performance is VERY close. In Starfield at 4k with a 60GB HD texture pack: 10.5GB vram used. If you're not going to ray-trace or path-trace the extra vram doesn't seem to be a plus.
I don't know if the extra 4GB is worth it. Ti Super is a beast at anything 1440 you can throw at it. I've been running 4k with it for a while (dlss quality for a couple of titles) and it's doing pretty good at that too. From what I've seen Super and Ti Super performance is VERY close. In Starfield at 4k with a 60GB HD texture pack: 10.5GB vram used. If you're not going to ray-trace or path-trace the extra vram doesn't seem to be a plus.
@@dkindig yeah I play rpg and any single player typically with ray tracing on. Would like to try the path tracing of cyberpunk a little bit. But not a must. I'm kinda concerned with VR performance but I do think I may save some money and just get a Super for this rig sell my 3070. Then I'm gonna plan on a full new build around a late 50series super card or keep the 3070 to put back in current rig then do new cpu with pcie5 ddr5 stuff with the 4070super. Who knows may keep this next card with current rig til the 60series for a full build if the 4070super ends up playing with the 1440p ultrawide and pcvr well enough
Might not be the biggest improvements..
I still enjoyed the video and the explaination!
Thanks Jay
2:14 small correction, 4080 power limit is 320W (according to TechPowerUp) not 350W, so the difference is 35W not 65W, and also makes what Jay is doing (adding 10%) more compelling, because 10% of 285W is 28.5W, so almost as much as would be needed to match the 4080 tdp.
Who cares.
@@mikezappulla4092 The irony of you caring enough to comment.
@@mikezappulla4092 Don't be rude bro its free to be nice. I appreciated their comment :)
@@mikezappulla409265 Comments on JayZ Channel, all negative... You people never cease to annoy me.
@@josephroberts9815 Love that mindset.
Been watching for years, seen several videos of you Oc'ing, but I really liked this. Some how this gave me a way better understanding. This form, but now show us some practical OC for CPU.
I dunno, think I'll wait for the RTX 4070Ti Super Duper WTF BBQ edition.
4090 Ultra Pro Max Noob Edition
Insta buy!!!
I just got used 4070 ti cool ranch used 3.99
Awesome. I was literally looking for this analysis. I would like to see more comparisons in 4k though
Its not meant to be for 4k
The RTX 4080 is 320w, not 350w. 350w might be for a factory OC model like a Strix. 10% ontop of the 4070ti Super is 313w, which isn't that far off from the Founder's Edition RTX 4080.
I planned on getting this card, this kinda just makes even more happy I waited as long as I have for a new build
This is like the best value Nvidia card to get right now. Overclocked 4080 performance with 16GB vram to not have to buy a new card next year.
I am waiting for a 4080 super FE
I remember getting my gtx275 sc for under $300, maybe nearer $250. I used to think of upgrading my gpu as buying a new console. I justified the price because I was going to get a step up in the graphics. If I wanted to splurge, I'd spend near a grand and get a whole new pc build. Now it's $800 just for the card!?! That's crazy stupid. After stupidly buying a 2080 ti, and then never using it(the switch released) I am not buying another new pc build until my pc flat out does not boot. Console gaming is now all I do exclusively. I can afford these new cards, but it's the principle of it that gets me. I'm not supporting this model anymore, when I can just get a ps5(which I haven't done until these survival horror games come out) and a new TV for the price of a gpu. I still keep up on pc gaming though.
Alternatively, get a used card after a new generation comes out.
I'll think about a 40 series once they hit eBay for a fraction of the price, if at all.
(Consider a much better tv though,OLED really is that good)
Love that you got sponsored by Falcon Northwest. That's super cool :D
I love you 💗
Peasant : OC to gain FPS.
Aristrocrat: OC to brag each other expensive card.
Interesting to know that Port Royal importance regarding RT. Coincidentally I just finished the 2nd time of undervolting and "overclocking" my RTX 3070 and used Heaven for it.
I think since I went for undervolting that shouldn't be a huge issue, but I also don't play any RT Titles at the moment. The Stock settings of the Asus Dual OC 3070 are just so terrible, you can't just plug and play it. Not much performance and the stock temperatures are horrible.
Managed to get the Card from a 1.06V @1775 ( 1875 Mhz ) to a stable 0.9V @ 1935Mhz. Probably could push it further, but already super happy with it that way.
Temps in my most played game dropped by 10°C, less power draw, same performance ( locked fps ) and so much more quiet. Haha.
Love messing around with the hardware. So much fun.
THIS is what I've been waiting for.
Initially I was so stoked to get a 4070ti super, but the reviews rly made me go "meh".
However I always wondered whether this thing might be an OC beast
What GPU do you have now? I have a 1080ti and I can't wait to upgrade to the 4070ti super next week!
@@sevenstars0711or have a look to see if the Rx 7900xt prices drop, it would be a better option and better value
I've had mine for about two months now and I'm getting ready to go in and do a serious run at OC, currently have been running DX12 at +120 clock, +1000 mem, clock running pretty consistently at around 2940, and getting performance within just a few frames of a base 4080 at 1440p. Definitely worth it for the savings. Hoping I can find a way to manually bump up voltage and push it further. Temps are excellent!
Nice work Jay, great demo of OCing Nvidia cards. RTX4000 cards are stuck to +5% max OC, like here. AMD 7800XT, 7900XT/XTX, all seem to go +15% if the cooler is up to it, so extremely good for raster, but obviously, they take a hit when it comes to RT, but that's no secret.
I have the crappy msi ventus version but i was able to hit 3000mhz core clock at +190 and keep memory at +1800 for a 1500mhz peak in the memory speed stable.
Improvement yes and thank you for making the video. But to me 8fps just isn’t worth the extra heat and time it takes to find the max oc ❤
This is a modern way to over clock gpus to run up to the maximum.
It takes time but you can dial in the over clock in the curve editor.
Tbis is the way to optimize the gpu at each voltage bin.
I watch the temps, mv, and mhz during the bench mark and dial in the top points then interpolate down to my 2d base clocks.
I have found this helps if power limit and voltage limit drop tbe mv down but the mhz stays up and causes a crash.
Exactly. Gotta tune the Voltage curve.
it doesnt really help 40 series from what i have seen
@@bborbit doesn’t
Just built my first pc with this GPU- thanks for the video!!
Comparing in overclocked card to a stock card isn't a fair comparison though. It's stock vs stock / or OC vs OC. The 4080 super will probably be a better buy if that msrps at $999. And if the 4080 non-super drops to $900 or so since it'll be between the 4070ti and 4080super, it'll be a better buy this the 4070ti super
he knows that. the point of the video was to show that if you overclocked the ti super then you have something extremely close to the 4080 stock. the 4080 stock was 1200, this one is 800.
I mean. We got Asus here trying to upcharge a 4070 ti Super 150 bucks for a 100 MHz overclock...
Or Zotac upcharging 40 dollars for 15 MHz.
Could use some Buyer Beware videos as well as the fun OC videos...
I guess ASUS didn't get the memo that these GPU's have been overpriced, and even $800 is alot and we are trying to get back to normal here.
That's a red flag for me with ASUS, I like them, but noted that they are gouging minimal gains. I'll go AMD if this keeps up.
i wish so badly i could go AMD but i use Nvidia broadcoast all the time so its a deal breaker. (and no there is no free alternative)
I'm jealous of those who don't feel tied down by Nvidias features.@@stever7638
The Asus TUF is MSRP at Microcenter.
Yeah in the UK there are some 4070ti super cards selling going for £940 😂 you can buy a 7900xtx for that money
@@potatoskins8155 AMD will likely address the ray tracing with the 5000 series, and with RT being a small factor along with Nvidea not having a huge presence with RT, makes AMD look more viable.
Sure Nvidea does RT in a somewhat, mild acceptable manner...they surely don't make games playable under $800..so why bother.
I will surely boycott the current price gougers, as a 7900 XT or even the XTX is very future proof at 1440P.
Who cares about max settings, 16X AA at 4K?
Turn AA down to 2X or off and just about every card works at 1440P above $300 w/o RT.
Thanks Jay for doing this alot of us appreciate it!
It's interesting. But surely the 4080 can also overclock by a similar amount.
@@formulaic78 I am hopeing that people will be able to Bios update teh TI Super Plus Ultra to "See" it as a 4080
@@formulaic78 obviously, if you already have a 4080. But if you're looking to buy a new GPU now, you'd be brain-dead to buy a 4080
Great to see Falcon NW come on board as a sponsor.
I have a 4080, no melted cables.
I did some good experimentation (mostly synthetics as well as one esports game, Asphalt 9 running at 500+fps) and posted my findings on the nvidia subreddit.
I have a 4070 ti zotac amp holo, which allows my slider +20% power. This made a huge difference and I was able to comfortably get memory clocks to 12501 stable, by maxing out the slider in afterburner. I also got the core stable to 3030mhz with a +258 increase.
These results put it roughly halfway between the 7900xtx and 4080 according to your previous testing. And put it far above the 4070 Ti. I do still feel the power limit HEAVILY even at this point though so I'd love to see what a custom vbios or other mod could do for this card.
Asphalt 9 as an esports game?? What
@@harrygeoffrion4520 hahaha it absolutely is one
Jay is right...this card will go down as the sweet spot 40 series card. Glad you can now get 16 gigs of ram in the 70 bin. You could get 16 at launch with the 60ti, but with a memory subsystem that couldn't fully realize the buffer.
70 bin?
Dude this is $800 MSRP.
Don't get fooled by numbers written on the box.
LMAO, no it won't. This is a $800 card that gets outperformed by a $650 AMD card.
Remember that in 2020 $699 got you a 3080, which offered 50% more performance than the outgoing top card (2080 Ti). Meanwhile, this shitbox card gets like 15% more performance than the 3090 and is like 26% faster than a 3080.
The sweet spot for the 40-series is buy a 4090 or buy AMD.
I agree the 4000 series are all a scam only the 4090 is good rest pricy and low preformenc go amd or 4090 or w8 a bit more and get a 5000 series
I think you might have misspoke near the beginning... The RTX 4080 is 320W TDP, not 350.. Now subscribed. Really enjoy your vids. Thanks!
Brilliant! Only video that actually make a use of A103 die, Tremendous help, Thx!
The 7800XT can overclock a lot for a modern GPU, upwards of 14-18%.
Yeah but then it will use too much power. Better keep it at stock and cap frames. It will run cooler and quiet
@@Ladioz depends on which model you buy, I have a sapphire nitro and I have it as max as I can possibly go. 980mv undervolt, 2600 mem, 15% power limit, and 3200 boost clock. I have the fans set to max 60% and it always runs cool and quiet, fans don't even kick on until 2 hours or so. It gets me roughly 16% more performance across all games I play. Its almost 4070 ti level for $540 is what I paid
@@Ladioz The rx 7800XT consumes less than the rtx 4070 Ti.
The best thing about 7800XT is that it barely gets hot, the same with 7700XT. both are designed so well. However I would go for the 2 fan card, to be more silent and spread less heat in the case@@braxfl7462
@@braxfl7462 same. I have the 7800 xt gigabyte oc, temperatures don't get above 60, and rarely even hits that. Mainly floating between 50-56. I'm also going blow for blow with the 4070 ti, even beating it in some games. I'll take that for $300 less. Im also using the fsr3 md, and I'm getting the same ray tracing performance as the 4070 in cyberpunk. The 7800xt overclocked is crazy crazy value.
That was a great video, short, to the point, very informative. THX :)
As this has the 4080 chip I knew Jay was going to make this video. Was wondering this since the rumors of the specs for this card
Jay the statement of the 4070 Ti Super being the best value overall card, I don't think it will still be true once the 4080 super comes out if someone could get a card at a MSRP. But the 4080 Super may be the best bang for your buck card and the longest lasting GPU to hang onto for years to come as a 4k Gaming GPU. I still have my 3080 and it still games great at 4k with triple A games. Can't wait to see your breakdown on the 4080 super and if it will be worth upgrading from the 3080 for 4k gaming and editing
I upgraded from a 1080 to a 1440 ultrawide a few years back, so the 4070 ti super is probably the best card for a 2k gaming experience, I would assume.
dollar per frame the 4070 ti super was an easy buy for me. couldn't rationalize the price jump to 4080 even without any oc on the ti super.
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the 16 gb on the 4070 is great for our office application which needs extra vram, i could see this card being great for students as well who are messing around with modeling type software and need the vram but cant spend a lot, i think people are writing this card off but it actually has a huge use case. My office cant spend 2k on a 4090 but 700 bucks for a 4070 is amazing.
That's where m at I'm making a career change into 3d animation (or hoping to) and so there's no way I can justify a 4090, but the VRAM cache on this card is EXAXTLY what I need for my unreal scenes, at a price I can just about manage.
@@matthewward1346 If your worried about 2k on 24GB on a 4090 go with the 3090 24GB for just $600 in the used market. Although the 4070Ti Super 16GB performs much better then the 3090 with better power efficiency as well.
Time to test if a 4080 Bios will work on this lol
Yeah, that would be a great test
Bios flash and increased power limits and bam cheap[er] 4080
maybe 16 pin 4070 can work with 4070 s bios?
going to use Gfrad on my GPU once it arrives. see what type of perfomance increases i can get.
was thinking the exact same thing.
Such a good video with the step by steps and explanations. Sometimes you just need that kinda reminder again that it takes time and small steps
You could almost definitely get more gains with lower temps by tuning the voltage curve. 👍
No voltage curve. 👎
It lowers secret clocks/shuts off core clusters in the background and lowers performance with Ada architecture. It works wonders on my 3090, but those days are over.
@@Aurummorituri Ah. I've seen people saying it doesn't work on the 4000 series. That's annoying.
@@802Garage You can lower your power draw and temps, but it's no longer "free". To be fair it is not as essential as it was on the 30-series. That Samsung 8nm process is hella power hungry. 3090 performance differed greatly if you had a model with two or three 8-pin connectors. My FTW3 could pull 480W past 2GHz with a dirty OC. Undervolting dropped it to 450W max with most games under 420W and still hold 2Ghz. Ada Lovelace is much more power efficient.
@@Aurummorituri Thanks for the info!
If it was 599 I'd call it sweet spot. At 799 it's still very expensive and rather underwhelming...
Jesus "6 seconds ago" i need a life.
Ping diff
Is that a problem?
I'm with you. Lol
Better than not being able to watch videos until the end of your 14 hour shift lol
You think He games?
Looking good Jay. Hopefully, everything is looking up. Sending good vibes your way.
He literally look the same before, during, and after he said it. What happened to Nick and Phil doing the reviews?
not gonna lie im with the ending statment. i dont have fun overclocking anymore. i had fun overclocking my 1070 back when i built my first computer. but with my 3070ti. just doing a simple +100 it would work fine in timespy, but randomly crash in a few min of lies of p gameplay at 1440p. and the +100 didnt even get me that much more performance.
You probably had one of the models not designed for overclocking.
I can only go about +150 +500 on my 3070ti FE and it’s honestly not even worth the extra power consumption of almost 300w total
For a brief moment, i thought WOW Jay can manage to go through a whole video without a car analogy, but damn i was wrong
really enjoy these OC vids, thanks Jay
I would love to see you guys do some voltage mods on 4k Series cards
Great video!
I followed your steps and manage to get some overclocking done.
Here are my Overclocks on my Gigabyte Gaming 4070 Ti Super,
Power limit } 112%
Core +225 } 3000-3030 mhz
Mem +1500 } 12000 - 12010 mhz
w/custom fan speed.
Hi buddy, Is this setting still stable with you?
I am happy that people can overclock and get more performance but I prefer to use it as is and overclock when I'm thinking about upgrading
im just getting a cheap pny 4070ti super, figure it’ll last me another 6-7 years now that my 1070ti is giving out
Just picked up a new 4070TI super in the UK for £770. I do agree it’s a perfect sweet spot card.
I have MSI 4080 Super OC and it is already overclocked. When I boost some clock for GPU and memory 250/500, I get about 4% boost, which is not noticeable. Rendering the same file in Davinci is getting boost from 9m 12s to 8m 50s. But would rather have more stable system than trying to gain more than 4-5% in performance boost.
Just did this on my Gigabyte gaming 4070ti super and got 3030mhz/12600mhz total numbers faster fps now in games. Thanks for the tips.
Nice thank you! I just picked up that same card when it dropped!
I've been waiting on a GPU for my build... And I found one AT MSRP!! BUT, I'm gonna wait for the 4080 Super. Also, hope you're taking care of yourself
Your benchmark for 4080 in horizon 5 got 148 fps at 1440p. There’s something up there. Different settings or game was patched
burnt a card doing this. it had the really strange effect of sort of seeing through walls. The other players would be slightly visible due to some sort of rendering issue. Lot of static though, but did still run.
You burnt a card because you ignored every warning. Hopefully you learned from this experience and haven’t kept playing a game while there were visual bugs.
That's on you.
I found the game with RT that was most reliable to test my OC on was Cyberpunk 2077, it would reliably crash when unstable with both core and memory OC.
You need to use the beta version of MSI afterburner to get the voltage control for these new super cards
This was a great video jay keep it up!
Should’ve also done 4K just to show it because a lot of people in the 4080s are gonna be playing at 4K so you want to show that as well
Fair, but to be completely honest, neither are really great 4K cards. They're a bit awkwardly positioned. I've tested both resolutions on the 4080 and you really give up a lot of performance (sometimes to a crawl), at least in modern titles. You can certainly give it a boost with DLSS/FG. The 4080 really shines at 1440p high refresh rate. It gets choked up pretty quickly at 4K. Then again, you can always turn down things like path tracing. Part of it is also poor game optimization, especially for ports. It will be interesting to see how the 4080S lands in these performance metrics.
@@_shaggyrogers_ probably the same as the 4070tiS.
5-10% increase
Every game engine is different, you may have a stable OC in some titles, then suddenly you play another title that utilize the GPU in a different way and it crashes.
I'd say it takes about a week to OC a card, add a few more days for every different game engine you use.
Real
Holy cow so it's basically just a 4080 after over clocking. That's bonkers!
Well done video, hope you're doing well sir!
Three years ago, without covid fallout, this is right about where this performance should be priced....at its max.
I always overclock memory first... because as you say.. You tend to gain more from memory than core....
I'm looking to upgrade my 2080 super for the 4080 super so, looking forward to the overclocking clip for that
just ordered one....i think even a 4080 waterblock should fit.
Jay overclocking content lets gooo
How can he incrase power limit to 110% ? Mine can only go to 100% in afterburner
What about the stability test in Port Royal? Benchmarks tends to run fine, but frames rendered often fails that on high clocks. I'm running a 4070Ti.
Jay them port royal flashes are a trip, there's two always get me
I can’t believe the piece of silicon wifey got in her 4070 to Super. Thing runs steady at 3075 mhz and the memory runs at 12100. It does it without having adjusted the voltage. Scores close to 26000 constant in 3DMark, over 26500 in CB 24 and can run cool in Furmark.
That’s unreal silicon lottery for ya.
I forgot how much I love your over clocking videos
as someone who had a 2080ti up until like 2-3 weeks ago, my brother bought me this card (bless his soul) and its been a mind blowing upgrade for me, especially working in 3D rendering etc, like actually life altering, also considering how affordable it is in comparison to the other options, I'm a huge fan to be honest.
You can set the V/F in the curve chart what are you talking about? Lock your V/F curve to 1075mv 1100mv isn't even safe for the memory controller. Transient loads greater than 125mv @ 1075mv will exceed the 1.2v which nvidia purposefully hardcaps.
It should be the 4075. If you want to push it to use the max wattage, just for the hell of it, try Topaz video enhance AI. That will find an unstable overclock very quickly. I never thought of the power draw from the fans. I learned a lot watching this.
heres me trying to buy a decent 4070 ti super yet youtube videos are bumping up the prices for reailers
So the answer is yes, Asus TUF has minimal improvements to the power limit meaning with a slightly better card you can easily match a stock 4080 without having to spend insane upcharge for the premium models.
Which is the better card for that in this case?
@@opti-mus I am hoping the MSI Gaming X SLIM will do the job
DOesnt it still use more power draw for the performance? On benchmarks i've seen the ti super drawing more power vs 4080 that was drawing less AND providing higher fps
@@opti-mus Any gigabyte other than windforce, higher tier palit or basically anything that isn't the lowest quality model said company provides should be fine. In short, go 1 above the cheapest triple fan you can get in any lineup.
@@gromuk4849 Yeah, you're good.
You're always my go to on making final decisions on pulling the trigger for hardware upgrades. Going from a 2080 super I've been thumbing around the GPU market and as always you make my decision a comfortable one. Thanks for the info as always and your ability to teach me something everytime.
OC is fun, you are damn right. And they stole it from us, did it themselfes, maybe better maybe worse, and sold it back to us for a premium. I'm quite frustrated by that tbh. I mean, oc assisting circuitry is great to have, but not gaining anything substantial from tweaking manually is a worse overall product experience
Thanks for the knowledge bombs on this video.
Just got the 4070 Super TI for $750 for a Prime Day deal. I was planning to do the 4070 Super but the $80 drop on it got me excited. The funny thing is that I'm coming from the 1070... another insanely good value card that may be towards the top of the best value to performance card ever.
I saw that deal but didn't have the spare cash. The 1660S is staying on active duty a while longer
Hi a have a MSI RTX4090 Ventus 3X for 1500€ on R5 5600X and it is overkill. Today i get a the same card asus tuf 4070ti super for 700€ and it is fantastic, and sold the msi 4090 for 1400€ to the same guy with the 4070ti super. We switched the card, 700€ in my pocket and now the 5800X3D is on the way for 250€. I play ony 1080p thats the reason I dont need the 4090. Previos card in my pc was Gainward 3060ti Ghost.
that was a great move imo. unless you're a crack gamer that 4090 ain't worth it.
285-350w, since it's limited to ti super, Nvidia needs to make a 4080 Downclocked to make the models reach one and the others with OC😁. Fun to see the recovery of the drivers in case you want to save files and reboot. OC on the go is fun without closing opening.👍🏼
I just did a test on my set up after installing my new 7900xt. I updated the motherboard bios and got re-sizable bar as a new option. I ran a bench mark in port royal and COD MW3 with the stock setting on my 13700k and 7900xt with rebar off and had a avg. 172FPS. Then i enabled rebar and used the intel OC to get a auto OC on the 13700k then tuned the 7900xt and got a avg. of 196fps in MW3 and the port royal scores went from 14350 ish to 15240 ish. I was pretty impressed with the results that got I can totally see how this can become a hobby on its own lol.
Thanks Jay
I straightaway apply jay setting, and it works on my gpu as well.
W Falcon Northwest!
You can see the tgp in gpuz under the advanced tab after selecting vbios in the pull down. Also unlocking voltage control is usually a pain with afterburner not that it would be helpful with the power limit
Thank you so much !
My GPU went from 5400 to 5900
How are you able to get +110 power limit?
Can you overclock the 7900 XT next? From what I understand it has quite a bit of OC headroom and the Adrenalin software is a joy to use.
Very informative. Thank you.