Looking at the Destiny 2 recommended specs on BNet makes me think its not out of the question. I would take a guess on at least 40-50 which would still be pretty good
Or another option is... if you watch Craigslist, you can buy stuff used but in great condition. So far I have bought the following, $200 Dell 8700 XPS with i7 4770, 1TB HD, 8GB RAM, 460 watt power supply, Windows 8 that I upgraded for free to Windows 10. $100 MSI RX470 Gaming X 4GB. $20 8GB Corsair RAM (now I have 16GB system RAM). $100- Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD. I have a very decent gaming system for a little over $400.
I've seen a few good deals on craigslist, but the majority are those with buyer's remorse and/or trying to get back every penny spent for a system that's 2-3 years old.
It's all about patience and frequent checks! Most stuff near me is either WAY too much or uselessly outdated. But I did find a 5 pack of graphics cards for $50 which turned out to be 2 $20 cards and 3 HDMI ports for $10, can't complain, as long as the R7 250 actually works... But my pc only has PCIE 1.0 so I can't test it :( lol, my Pentium D 840 cpu was bottle-necking my GT220 before it died, so the R7 wouldn't have made any difference to frame rates. But the GT640 works and that is what is in my pc now, it is so hilariously bottle necked that my pc uses 15 watts less than with the GT220! I'll be using the nvidia 8400 gs from that bundle if my gt640 dies, the integrated graphics on my pc max out at 1024x768, so the 8400 would still be a tremendously better experience, since it can do 1080p.
Yes patience and checking often is the key. Good deals go fast. Also I didn't really need the extra RAM and SSD so without those it only cost $300 but it's nice having them. Everything loads MUCH faster. For example in BF1, the game loads way faster and once it's loaded there is ZERO load times between maps.
I understand buying used it’s more cost efficient, but I call major BS on your prices. XPS 8700 goes for over $500 used. This isn’t a standard consumer desktop. XPS lines are premium desktops that cost near 1K new. RX 470s are over $200. There’s no way you got deals that good, sorry. I get your point, but you’ve skewed the truth a bit.
That's exactly what I paid. No BS. You just have to be patient and be willing to haggle on price. The good deals go fast so you have to watch close. I just recently got a Corsair K70 LUX mechanical keyboard for $65 in nearly new condition. I'm in the KC area, maybe I"m getting better deals than you get where you are. But I don't think that matters. Don't assume you can't find deals like this or won't put in the time and effort to do so. Don't be self defeating. So far the only new hardware I've bought is a Zowie FK2 mouse.
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Yeah the amount of you money you put it in doesn't always mean it performs so good. Joey Delgado does builds for 300-500$ that run at 60-100 fps and that's a fucking steal
This is my favorite JayzTwoCents episode in a long time love the editing, music the jokes and guests as well as the honest commentary thanks Jay and Nick (and new guy)
Please don't even consider the 1050 or 1050ti when the RX 570 is out there. Unless of course you want to do emulation only and care about openGL stability
I know this comment is old, but I'mma respond anyway. It's not everywhere that the 570 was that cheap. When I had to choose a gpu about 2 years ago, the 560 and 1050 ti were the same price, with the 570 was way out of budget. Seems you like many forget about that.
I'd like to see a second part of this video where higher end GPUs are swapped in the system (1050 Ti, RX 560, RX 570, maybe even 1060/580) - to see how these CPUs can perform on par with such a GPU for future upgrades. Now we already saw CPU bottlenecks with this kind of GPU, but with a better GPU settings could be pushed higher with possibly similar framerates. I'd also like to see an OC'ed R3 1200 in this comparison, as that to me is where the R3 lineup should show its value. Great video with high relevance for many new-to-PC users.
R3 1200 OC is double the price of the Pentium in a lot of places. I know I can get that pentium from my local Microcenters and its only $54 here whiles Jay's was $59. While the Ryzen 1200 is $110 at Microcenter. If you are only looking at it in terms of strictly gaming and FPS while also accounting for price-performance ratio the Pentium will win every time. Its only if you need any sort of multitasking or production type load that you would go Ryzen 1200 as its multicore benchmarks destroy the Pentium but in FPS even Oced if it gets you a couple more frames then the Pentium you paid double for it.
I recently bought and built an new gaming pc. RYZEN 5 1600 GTX 1050ti 8gb 3000mhz 500w psu B350m 1TB SSHD I LOVE IT!!! JAY you helped me build it as I was watching your RYZEN "how to" build a pc 👌🏻👌🏻
i have purchased a rig with: Rx570 nitro+ (160E) ryzen 3 1200 (83E) 8GB DDR4 CRUCIAL (65E) HD toshiba 1TB (40E) asrock dgs 320m (45E) Kingston A400 120GB (21E) Corsair vs 450 (35E) Fazn case with 3 led fans (50E) TOTAL=499E ( I do not know why this build is so much better than what you recommend) With respect, a fellow pc enthousiast
2 Questions: Why didn't you pick a B350 board to use AMDs overclocking Potential whilst using an overpriced H270 board, when you could've gone with a much cheaper H110M board? This makes the AMD system look worse due to its missed out potential and the Intel system more expensive!
TheAviroGamer you can buy an AB350 for 74 USD on Amazon, put the Athlon buy a cheap good quality CPU cooler and do some mild OC, it matches Intel system price but with better cooling.
+Robert Orr I think most h110 mobos need a bios update to use the Pentium g4560. You need an older cpu to do that, which negates the cheaper mobo price.
X4 955: absolute bargain G4560: great performance for its price R3 1200: great performance for its price and an amazing platform I am a proud owner of a g4560 since march, but to my friend who's in the process of building a system, I'd recommend the ryzen.
Totally agree with you bro, I also own a g4560 and it is a great cpu for the money, well at least when it was retailing for 60ish dollars, but ryzen platform seems so compelling to me though, I might get an r5 1400 later this month.
I think after a year or two the Ryzen will get enough optimalization so it could outperform Intel and games will probably step up to the 4 core standard.
It would be a fun video. But in terms of FPS Intel when paired with an equal GPU will always beat out Ryzen no matter. There are benchmarks all over the place. However that is only in strict gaming terms of FPS. Not factoring multitasking, virtual machines, editing video, content creation, 3D apps or anything like that. Production Ryzen will always beat Intel especially at the price-performance ratio. It just comes down to what each person does with their rig. Only gaming, only production or mixed.
@JayzTwoCents the stuttering in World Of Warcraft is a graphics card issue, not an AMD or Intel specific. To be specific, its something within Nvidias drivers. I had a similar issue with my GTX 1070 but if i swapped in a new drive with a fresh OS it would work. I ended up figuring out that it was a setting within Nvidias Control Panel that I had to tweak and ever since then I never had a stuttering issue. I suffered with that issue for months so trust me it is a pain to figure out. I can't remember the specific setting at this time but I will look back and try to find it.
It's funny how many are crying, "why didn't you buy a board to OC the AMD chip, they could have beat the pentium then!!!"... I think most people here are forgetting that the average person looking for a budget gaming PC isn't going to be overclocking. I love AMD, I really do, it's a great chip even for gaming, but Intel will still pace just ahead of AMD chips in some price ranges. Just like how AMD Ryzen is just ahead Intel in other workloads in various price categories.
Chucks Basix just what I wanted to say, probably the comment with most respect and sense. I want to buy a Ryzen 5 1600,so I'm with AMD for this time, but you are right, while the Ryzen 3 1200 with a 4Ghz overclock smash the Pentium and even some i5, the normal people wants to play and not get into overclock (hell, I built a pc for a friend with a Aorus Gaming K5 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and I didn't overclock it because it's a unexplored territory for me). In fact, half of the people that haves a system like this pays a store or person to build it for them.
Chiriac Puiu If that guy had OC a system back then, but this scenario is where a new guy jumps into a budget starter gaming PC. Even I bought a 6700k because of its higher oob clockspeed, not for OC. Z170 motherboard because of the I/O and not because it is an OC capable board
@JayzTwoCents Wise words!!! This guy has finally said what I've been thinking all the goddamn time when building my budget PC. The "adding a few more bucks" logic does not apply to everybody! I'm so tired of hearing the same thing over and over again from reviewers when not everyone can afford a better system. This is exactly the video I was hoping for in order to finally decide which components to buy. Thank you, really. You have no idea how grateful I am.
I have had that G4560 since February and it's excellent. I bought it as a placeholder in a z270 board till I was able to save up for a 7700k and I really havnt had too much drive to rush the upgrade. It's an excellent chip especially if you are able to get it for the lower $60 price point
So basically the most basic Ryzen can beat a higher clocked Athlon just by it's improved architecture? Cool. I have an Athlon x4 860K and I was worried that the lower clocks of the Ryzen 3-s gonna be a problem, but I guess this shows how well they improved. :D
love your vidios bro they help forget the pain im at my pc is really low is core i5 650 on a intel dh55 board with a certified 800 watt with an msi 710 1gb gpu 3gb ram ddr3 1333 im disabled and jobless at this time but gamming helps forget pain as your vids do
a cheap second hand gpu would already make that system much better, especially if you avoid the lastest/ most demanding games, you could get somthing like a HD 6950 for 50 bucks
Cody Pettigrew Not everyone who's legally disabled can work a full time & few jobs let someone work part time & afford a place to stay. You don't know what's wrong with that dude. If you'd ever been in that position yourself, you'd know that. Also, not everyone who's disabled is born with that disability. It's a bit different to lose ability than it is to grow up without. One of those involves a lifetime of learning how to cope with it. That aside, not everyone who's collecting disability doesn't work. One of the best coworkers I've ever had was disabled & collecting disability, but still worked as much as he could manage. Moreover, not everyone without a job is too lazy to get one. Disabilities keep you from working a lot of unskilled or low skill labor jobs and many people who become disabled don't have vocational training to get cushy office jobs at places that actually comply with the ADA(or whatever their country's equivalent is).
Should have gone with a cheap B350 ( www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157763&cm_re=B350-_-13-157-763-_-Product) as opposed to the A320. You could have tested the OCing on the 1200 and 950. Personally, between the two, the AMD build gets my nod. The G4560 is on a dead-end socket(no CoffeeLake Support) with only quad-core CPUs as upgrades, where as the 950 can be upgraded to any Ryzen 4, 6 or 8 core CPUs currently available or the next gen Ryzen CPUs, which AMD has officially stated will be supported by currently available motherboards ( www.eteknix.com/amd-pinnacle-ridge-feature-8-zen-2-cpu-cores/ ). So, considering upgrade path, and overclockablility (with the $60 B350 board I linked) the 950 should be a no-brainer compared to the G4560. I'm not AMD bias, I'm typing this on my i7 6700k machine, it's just that if I were in the market now, Intel really has nothing to offer, especially since CoffeeLake is not supported on current motherboards, despite using the same socket.
Andrew Behrend Actually while never doing an expilicitly budget build (except for that old G3258 build), Linus for the most part gives fairly reasonable advice when it comes to budget builds, in fact he's one of the people who I first heard recommending 400W PSUs when back then, I thought 550 should be minimum, and saying that stock coolers are perfectly fine even for a mild overclock, of course he tarnished any credibility he had with that BeQuiet sponosered 1000$ build but still he's not as bad as people make him out to be.
Please buy a $45 1TB WD Blue and put the $50 into upgrading to a 1050 Ti. Budget builds don't need ssds. They are nice to have but even nicer is actual improvement in game performance.
used i5 3570k (overclock as far as it'll go) - $50 used rx 580 4 gb (the 8 gb ones are all ex-miners) - $100 new jingsha 1155 mobo (this will be the limiting factor for your overclocking, so don't worry about a fancy cooler) - $60 2x8gb DDR3 1600 - $65 128gb SSD - $25 2x500gb refurbished Seagate drives (go raid 0) - $30 Seasonic M12II - $60 HEC HX300 - $30 sketchy ebay windows key - $20 $440 plus tax and maybe shipping, give or take for normal price fluctuations. you could save $20 by using linux or just not activating windows (or pirating it I guess) and if you don't need a whole terabyte you could save $15 there, though hard drive speeds will take a hit since you'll lose raid capabilities. If you reuse an old case and power supply that's another $90 off, for a grand total of $305, and still a better system than either of these.
Tony K i think the price began to skyrocket as it sold a lot more. I remember when the g4560 and 8gb ddr4 would be around 100 usd. Now ram prices are fucked up high
Miners buying up stock is one of the most likely and accepted explanation, the other is that the Pentium was cannibalizing i3 sales so Intel raised the price or at least held back stock to artificially raise it.
This is a good review. I put together a very similar set-up and I've been happy with it so far. My goal was for decent 1080 gaming. I bought an i3-7100, H270N-wifi and a to50Ti SSC with 8gb dd4/2400mhz. It works pretty good for me and most games I can play with very high to ultra settings. For a budget build it does a good job.
I hear this athlon is only overclockable on asus boards. Would love to test on my asrock but i don't know if i wanna dump 60 bucks on a processor just for fiddling since I already have a R7.
ex server dual xeon x5672 is still best bang for your buck. I built one...1500 cinebench, 18k firestrike with a 1080ti. No usb 3 or bootable m.2 unfortunately thats really the only down side =/
I sold my FX8150 and Sabertooth mobo(together) for $100, bought a 4690k for $150, and spent $50 on a MSI Gaming 5 Z97 mobo off Craigslist. I re-used all my old parts including a EVGA 980 and my FPS has doubled and then some in all games just for $100. In PUBG my fps went from like 20-50 to over 100 90% of the time, its amazing. I also have a 144hz monitor so I am benefiting from the high frame rate. Second hand stuff is awesome. XEONS(cheap ones) ARE TRASH FOR GAMING, SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE ISNT THERE.
IMO, the Pentium build is nowhere near worth it. With Coffee Lake coming up, the B250 and Z270 chipsets are dead. They won't support the new CPUs, and B250 doesn't even allow overclocking. While with Ryzen, for the same price as a *locked* B250 mobo you can get an *unlocked* B350 mobo with the Ryzen 1200, you can overclock it AND you get a great upgrade path for the future, since AM4 will be supported at least until 2020.
a one gen old chipset isnt "dead" and can be come nice deals with price drops as well. There is still people gaming on sandy bridge rigs. Not to mention been on latest gen becomes even less important on a budget build.
i7 2600K for the world. Still valid 6 years after launch. Not worth replacing it atm, NEITHER side has sufficient to offer at a reasonable price that's significantly better.
Ok so i don't think you guys understand.... He is completely right about not buying older stuff ... Let's say a CPU has a life of 5 years, so you buy a 2 year old CPU then it has a life of 3 years and not 5
Point is, with the (relative) lack of progress from Intel due to the lack of competition from AMD (and don't get me started on why) the life span of the CPU, if not the chipset, has been extended to 7 years at least. If either company wants me to buy a NEW processor/motherboard/memory they have to give me a pretty compelling reason, and at the moment neither are. I would never recommend buying SandyBridge in 2017 but I have no reason to replace mine yet. However I realise that am digressing from the point of the video, sorry.
With the Athlon an A320 it makes even less sense. The Athlon is unlocked and can overclocked sometimes as high as 5GHz. The price of a B350 and an A320 is almost nothing. At best 10 dollars, but in most cases they are around the same price.
MaddXav The Athlon would need decent cooling to reach a good overclock though, like the rest of the Bulldozer line of CPU's it'll run hotter. For the price of an Athlon and good cooler you're getting close to the R3 1200. Has anyone actually tested the stock fan against the Wraith? The Athlon and A320 board does make sense as a bare-bones budget build though, for somebody who wants more than what the APU can offer.
Latios Gaming You're right, come to think of it, its not a 'K' CPU. So we have a situation similar to Intel with non-K chips being overclockable on Z-series boards. That's really weird coming from AMD, but then some boards specify supporting only 65w TDP on Athlons. AM4 may not be designed to handle higher watt CPU's. Not low and mid-range boards anyway.
Great video, but the Ryzen 3 chip was completely handicapped by NOT using a B350 board to leverage Ryzen's capabilities. Just changing out the chip didn't help and the B350 board would have cost LESS. As I've said before, I'm a "Fanboy" to nothing, but the Ryzen system would have been cheaper and won the competition, hands down!!
On a GPU 1050 even OC all the chips will basically score the same. Check out Hardware Unboxed and Tech Yes City videos where they benchmark like 40 games. Even OC Ryzen 1200 on a GTX 1060 only beats the Pentium by a handful of frames. Only when they swap a GTX 1080 in there does Ryzen 1200 completely pull away from the Pentium often by 1 or 2 dozen frames. But who would be looking at a GTX 1080 when they are shopping for either a Pentium G4560 or a ryzen 3 1200. And it most places the R3 1200 still costs double then the G4560. So GTX 1060 or less price performance king is the G4560.
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Thanks for taking the time and the hard earned money to put this video together. I don't know if you included the cost of a monitor so unless you already have a display you can tack on at least another 100.00+ for that. I don't know who would want to use a dual core CPU on a desktop anymore other than just not being able to afford anything else. I didn't do the drag out bidding war on ebay to get the lowest prices on all the parts I bought but I built my PC with an intel i7 3.4 quad-core on a Dell 7010 motherboard for 235.00 (whole PC with win7 pro 8gb of RAM and a 500gb HDD-now just my storage drive), with an nvidia gtx geforce 960 gpu for 100.00, new samsung 250gb SSD for 90.00, overpaid to support a local pc shop owner who helped my with some questions for an 8gb DDR3 stick of ram for 75.00, a pc case and power supply from another local pc shop for about 85.00, 24 inch HD t.v. for 120.00 ish, keyboard for 11.00. And I had a mouse on hand. overall it was about 726.00 It boots and loads software quickly, and the only games I have are Resident Evil 7, (which was why I invested in the nvidia 960) and Bioshock Infinite. It runs RE7 fantastically, only slows here and there for a second or two when I'm running on a few occasions, but it never does it for some ridiculously long time or very frequently that it becomes annoying. And that is with the settings maxed except for one feature that the card doesn't support. I haven't played anything online and I'm not a big gamer so I may never really end up doing that unless my brother get's me to join him on something in the future.
Being a ryzen fan, i could say, pentium won. BUT, 1200 have 2 more cores, that makes it better for multitasking, (not gaming). Considering this is for a budget gaming rig, price/performance, pentium has won here.
Godofcheese First the cooler is the problem, now it's the mobo? Sounds like you're a salty intel fanboy(or girl) and can't accept that ryzen is a better option if you have some technical knowhow.
my computer i have been running since built in 2012. AMD FX-8120 ,8core processor DDR 3 16 gigs,dual channel 2209.7 MHz Asus AMD Radeon HD 7950 3gig video,core 500 MHz,memory 1250 Mhz Mobo different from my original but i think this is old also Asus M5A78L-M/usb3 (made in dec 2014)Mini-ATX 250gb ssd by adata and some other random HD's still runs great,still runs games that are out current.When i made this mofo it was over 1500$
Great channel, just discovered it.😃 I tend to buy a $500 system and then upgrade when I have more money. I have a build coming that has a Pentium g4500, 1070 gtx and 8gbs of ram. Already have an I5 7600k to replace the 4500 and will upgrade the ram at a later date. The big thing for me is to make sure I have a motherboard that can handle the upgrades and a good power supply. Also and this is very important enough fans. I tend to go either an evo 212 for my cpu.
it can also be the other way but i don't get it when OC* Athlon 220G (orhoe the fuck it is called) beats a stock* Pentium G5400 thry think that it is a win
@@technosaber9281 well if the amd chip is cheaper and can give more fps than it is a win, i use intel cpu and amd gpu because they are good price to performance.if i had a chance to switch my g4560 and mobo for 200g with mobo that can overclock it, i would since it would be better solution for me
AMD's low end CPUs aren't very great compared to intel's low end CPUs. AMD *"fanboys"* are *"fanboying"* on the new zen architecture because current AMD is legit better than current intel
Nice, finally something that does not make me cry, because of my A8-3850 and GT730... XD (It runs games (MINECRAFT XD) pretty good for me, but who cares, I want more) Ryzen 1700 and GTX 1080, I'm coming for you soon!
honestly man your budget builds help me alot in being able to convince my wife to let me build my own computer lol I could easily go but a pre built but this is pretty sweet. thank!!!!!
One of your best videos yet and I totally agree have a budget stick to it or you can wait forever ... buy the best for what u can afford and I hate to say in Intel won that in my eyes both systems amd had people blind chose the Intel so u can't argue results even if amds number crunching should be better
I am building a budget PC this month, and I was confused between the ryzen and pentium. My bet was on intel. You cleared it for me man. Thanks a lot! It helped! :-) THUMBS UP!
not a fan of Ryzen after dumping my 1700 following some performance issues. That said, I would give this to the Ryzen R3 1200 build. The socket is supported going forward and you have a ton of room for growth. A small upgrade on the motherboard at purchase could let you OC a bit. Even the stock air cooler can manage alright with Ryzen. AMD really has the budget end covered extremely well.
1700 @3.8-3.9The performance issues were a combination of the Motherboard manufacturer's and the new platform. Memory compatability was terrible, I had cold boot issues, turning my system on was a 10 minute process of rebooting over and over. The asus crosshair vi hero was a bad pick from my end. I've only ever had issues with ASUS and customer support was brainless. Combine this with ASUS being unwilling to cross ship for RMA in the hopes that that might fix some of the issues and I gave up. I have a whole thread about it on LTT forums under giving up on Ryzen. I now have a 7700k with an ASROCK Gaming K6 and it's buttery smooth as my daily driver. The performance jump in world of warcraft and every day use was tremendous.
sean johnson damn... That's really upsetting. My plan was to get a CROSSHAIR VI as well with a 1700X. I honestly want to get a Ryzen based on specs and price, like no doubt. But then when I read these stories, it makes me really uncertain. And I don't know what to do. I need the build to last 5 years and if the CPU is just gonna break down on me, that's super bad
look at asrock imo, chip is still a good value. unless you want high fps on poorly optimised games like wow. Ryzen 1700 @ 3.8 on 1440p @144hz got me about 120FPS in towns and sub 40 in heavy raid situations. The 7700k (at stock) with same GX settings 155 in towns and nothing less than 60 in any raid situation. OC @ 5Ghz it's just silly FPS.
sean johnson well the thing is, if I end up not going for the Ryzen, I'll be waiting for Coffee Lake because I could really use the more cores, it's just that I'm afraid of the Ryzen breaking down. I wouldn't mind getting lower FPS in raids for example, (although I will admit 40 is pretty bad), because I also do GFX and software development, and I know those would benefit from higher cores, and with general multi tasking. But then again, there's no point to it if the CPU is going to stop working or fail miserably in less than 5 years.
The build I will be getting around Christmas time will cost $700 usd (I'm from Canada, so around $900 cad) Here are its specs : Coolermaster mastercase 3.1 : 500W EVGA 50+ Bronze : MSI B250m Bazooka : Team Vulcan 16gb grey RAM : i5 7500 : Hyper 212 EVO : Gigabyte 1050ti windforce OC : Seagate 2tb HDD : Samsung 850 Evo M.2 : (Maybe) Kingston A400 128GB for Boot-drive : RGB Strips : Corsair CH-9206015-NA Gaming K55 RGB Keyboard : BenQ ZOWIE 24" 1080p HD Monitor I will be running PUBG, Siege, BF4, and Arma 3
@@bigironenthusiast9343 depends on your definition of good. My friend still rocks a 1050 and a Pentium and hes currently playing farcry new Dawn 1080p 60fps. Many people would argue that's good lol. And for myself I have an r3 and an rx570. And I've yet to come across a game I can't run.
My first build on a budget of 600-700ish where did I go right and where did I go wrong?Case: Masterbox 3.1 lite, Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M - A/ CSM, CPU: Ryzen 5 1400, GPU: Gigabyte 1050ti 4GB, Power: Corsair CX 550 modular, Memory: DDR4 2666mt 8GB ballistix sport LT, SSD: Sandisk 120GB.
Jay was the power plan set to Ryzen Balanced / High Perfomance? that may have been it :/
It was in Performance Mode for sure.
awesome, just making sure :D
That Athlon is still an Excavator chip. No Ryzen there.
Rafael Boudoux That's just fucking desperate! Ryzen lost to Pentium, deal with it. AMD fanboys are almost as bad as Xbots.
Swiftyyyy You didn't clearly watch the video before commenting.
So glad you didn't trick us with the blind test.
Austin Evans Wtf?
He tested the Ryzen vs the G4560 blind. Meaning no FPS counter and he didn't know what was what
No tricks,no seasickness when collabing-> Jay>Kyle?
Hey guys, its Austin!
go back on the boat with Kyle! man, that video is a blast!!!
Why would you spend $500 on a bad gaming PC when you could buy a Lego star wars death star set?
Because most of us are older than 6.
Tennis Ball ever heard of a childhood dream?
Sorry Tennis Ball but I'm with Chase.
Chase fuck yeah lego Death Star for the win
Yeah man Chase i thought exactly the same.
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I really with more people would use that test man. Heaven is old news (almost literally).
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I think its bloody fantastic that a solid 1080p gaming machine can be put together for $450-$500.
And it'd probably run destiny 2 at 60fps lol
Looking at the Destiny 2 recommended specs on BNet makes me think its not out of the question. I would take a guess on at least 40-50 which would still be pretty good
If i primarily gamed on PC, I would never spend $500 on a computer. I would go higher say, $800-$1000.
NoahThomas29 that misses the entire point of the video.
naiasonod .
Or another option is... if you watch Craigslist, you can buy stuff used but in great condition. So far I have bought the following,
$200 Dell 8700 XPS with i7 4770, 1TB HD, 8GB RAM, 460 watt power supply, Windows 8 that I upgraded for free to Windows 10.
$100 MSI RX470 Gaming X 4GB.
$20 8GB Corsair RAM (now I have 16GB system RAM).
$100- Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD.
I have a very decent gaming system for a little over $400.
I've seen a few good deals on craigslist, but the majority are those with buyer's remorse and/or trying to get back every penny spent for a system that's 2-3 years old.
It's all about patience and frequent checks! Most stuff near me is either WAY too much or uselessly outdated. But I did find a 5 pack of graphics cards for $50 which turned out to be 2 $20 cards and 3 HDMI ports for $10, can't complain, as long as the R7 250 actually works... But my pc only has PCIE 1.0 so I can't test it :( lol, my Pentium D 840 cpu was bottle-necking my GT220 before it died, so the R7 wouldn't have made any difference to frame rates. But the GT640 works and that is what is in my pc now, it is so hilariously bottle necked that my pc uses 15 watts less than with the GT220! I'll be using the nvidia 8400 gs from that bundle if my gt640 dies, the integrated graphics on my pc max out at 1024x768, so the 8400 would still be a tremendously better experience, since it can do 1080p.
Yes patience and checking often is the key. Good deals go fast.
Also I didn't really need the extra RAM and SSD so without those it only cost $300 but it's nice having them. Everything loads MUCH faster. For example in BF1, the game loads way faster and once it's loaded there is ZERO load times between maps.
I understand buying used it’s more cost efficient, but I call major BS on your prices.
XPS 8700 goes for over $500 used. This isn’t a standard consumer desktop. XPS lines are premium desktops that cost near 1K new.
RX 470s are over $200.
There’s no way you got deals that good, sorry. I get your point, but you’ve skewed the truth a bit.
That's exactly what I paid. No BS. You just have to be patient and be willing to haggle on price. The good deals go fast so you have to watch close.
I just recently got a Corsair K70 LUX mechanical keyboard for $65 in nearly new condition.
I'm in the KC area, maybe I"m getting better deals than you get where you are. But I don't think that matters.
Don't assume you can't find deals like this or won't put in the time and effort to do so. Don't be self defeating.
So far the only new hardware I've bought is a Zowie FK2 mouse.
When the iPhone costs the same as both PCs XD
"kosts"
EggsyGaming (edited)
Thanks its changed im from Germany thats why there it is named "kosten"
simonxy
Well, you can bet your left testicle the turks will keep buying them.
Dlobi for President year they all think this is the best of the best and bla bla bla some of them belive that some fetures like *zooming on websites* are *shitPhone exlusive* , thats so...
Love these low budget builds
federalfive plays Love this bad budget build you mean ?
federalfive plays same. It's like cheering for the underdog. It also makes you realize 2x the money doesn't mean 2x the performance.
Yeah the amount of you money you put it in doesn't always mean it performs so good. Joey Delgado does builds for 300-500$ that run at 60-100 fps and that's a fucking steal
@@robertlebrun9306 wtf is your problem?
Me: "I'm healthy once or twice a year"
@@xntigravity Ur welcome 😄
@@memelife9448 relateable
I feel like a B350 is important for a budget build though so the upgrade path is solid being able to overclock. But great video keep up the good work!
This is my favorite JayzTwoCents episode in a long time love the editing, music the jokes and guests as well as the honest commentary thanks Jay and Nick (and new guy)
Jorge Moreno new guy works with Austin afaik
You need to overclock your body to prevent you from getting sick!
Jay i have great respect for you and your channel. I love your passion for making videos and i hope you gain more success and happiness in your life.
That is the most positive thing I've ever seen on the internet
the ryzen 3 1200 costs 50$ now lmao
that vid is from 2017 xD
Yeah prices change over time, crazy
1600 AF $85
@@GoVols27 oof
@@GoVols27 they usually went for like 70ish but covid sadly raised the price
Low Budget? I'm playing on an athlon II x4 630 and a GTS 450 with 512mb of vram.
Broke ass
Am playing on my Nokia 3310
There's a difference between low budget and no budget bro
@@thealien_ali3382 Hey. I do play games on my new 3310
I HAVE NVIDIA GT 520,INTEL CELERON E3400 PUBG 1080 ULTRA 73 FPS.
i would get b350 motherboard for just a little more and overclock r3 1200 (some b350 even cost the same as that a320)
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss this is like classic LTT before 80-90% of their content became a meme, but better! Fuck yes, lads.
Fuck the new linus
Camelia sinensis he's been doing this for 10 years, can't blame him for getting bored
agreed.
Discipulos Christi with that new intro it’s more like TechLongie
You guys should check out Randomgamingingd, he does a lot of budget comparisons.
Thats my little GPU! I love it. Plays Witcher 3 at 1080p on high. Paired with a 4790k, but still.
Athlon is still a thing?
they kept it as their low end brand, basically the APUs without the iGPU, I think they have finally abandoned it now
Its still a thing, and it still works.
EpicMango it's kinda sad that both companies flagship lines from the past are now budget lines, Athlon and Pentium.
MadFinnTech well its called "technology progression"
MadFinnTech I had a Pentium 4 pc. I think it was the 4
Please don't even consider the 1050 or 1050ti when the RX 570 is out there. Unless of course you want to do emulation only and care about openGL stability
Yeah I would rather just get a RX 590 for my amd build.
Rx 570 is the better choice
I know this comment is old, but I'mma respond anyway.
It's not everywhere that the 570 was that cheap. When I had to choose a gpu about 2 years ago, the 560 and 1050 ti were the same price, with the 570 was way out of budget. Seems you like many forget about that.
1050 was $50 less than a 570 in 2017
Just buy a 1650 super nowadays
if you were to get a b350 motherboard, then you can overclock the x4 950 or the ryzen 3 1200
you could do the same on the intel platform though.
Yeah on this box cooler? i don't think so. it is not wraith
megapro125 No, you couldn't. The Pentium has locked clockspeeds.
no, you can' t
You can, I cant remember which model but people got it to 5ghz
I'd like to see a second part of this video where higher end GPUs are swapped in the system (1050 Ti, RX 560, RX 570, maybe even 1060/580) - to see how these CPUs can perform on par with such a GPU for future upgrades. Now we already saw CPU bottlenecks with this kind of GPU, but with a better GPU settings could be pushed higher with possibly similar framerates. I'd also like to see an OC'ed R3 1200 in this comparison, as that to me is where the R3 lineup should show its value.
Great video with high relevance for many new-to-PC users.
R3 1200 OC is double the price of the Pentium in a lot of places. I know I can get that pentium from my local Microcenters and its only $54 here whiles Jay's was $59. While the Ryzen 1200 is $110 at Microcenter.
If you are only looking at it in terms of strictly gaming and FPS while also accounting for price-performance ratio the Pentium will win every time.
Its only if you need any sort of multitasking or production type load that you would go Ryzen 1200 as its multicore benchmarks destroy the Pentium but in FPS even Oced if it gets you a couple more frames then the Pentium you paid double for it.
Your supposed to stop the "just save up a little bit more" escalation when the value:cost ratio is optimized.
when do u reach tht point
jxckfx graphics r5/i5 1060/570/580 (msrp)
I recently bought and built an new gaming pc.
RYZEN 5 1600
GTX 1050ti
8gb 3000mhz
500w psu
B350m
1TB SSHD
I LOVE IT!!! JAY you helped me build it as I was watching your RYZEN "how to" build a pc 👌🏻👌🏻
Which PSU and B350?
SlavjanA corsair 500w psu and the msi b350m gaming pro
I would upgrade to the GTX 1060. Ryzen 5 is a waste on the 1050ti.
Tibor Klein I doubt he is going to upgrade just after he built his PC
Yeah, he shoudn't have got it in the first place. But it's a possible upgrade in the future.
Hey, you could use 40 bucks for overclockable board (b350) cause athlon has that option (pentium's locked :/)
The new Athlon has very little OC room, would have spent $40 to get 3 frames at best.
Piotr Jasik but provides a better upgrade path to say a 1700 OC in the future
Could probably get that board for less, especially if he ditched the damn samsung drives & when with a $10-20 lower brand.
I mean, for someone who's looking for a budget build though, Overclocking probably isn't something we should be having them do.
i have purchased a rig with:
Rx570 nitro+ (160E)
ryzen 3 1200 (83E)
8GB DDR4 CRUCIAL (65E)
HD toshiba 1TB (40E)
asrock dgs 320m (45E)
Kingston A400 120GB (21E)
Corsair vs 450 (35E)
Fazn case with 3 led fans (50E)
TOTAL=499E ( I do not know why this build is so much better than what you recommend)
With respect, a fellow pc enthousiast
I love the editing and you look very fabulous sprinkling your techie pixie dust around. ✨✨
When is the threadripper duo 1080ti strix cougar conquer coming?
I LOVED that build montage. Great job guys.
2 Questions: Why didn't you pick a B350 board to use AMDs overclocking Potential whilst using an overpriced H270 board, when you could've gone with a much cheaper H110M board? This makes the AMD system look worse due to its missed out potential and the Intel system more expensive!
Rico Smith if he gave the ryzen pc a b350 motherboard it would be much more expensive than the Intel pc.
TheAviroGamer you can buy an AB350 for 74 USD on Amazon, put the Athlon buy a cheap good quality CPU cooler and do some mild OC, it matches Intel system price but with better cooling.
TheAviroGamer, Not really. The difference between a A320 and B350 in terms of pricing is very small.
Also, the Athlon CPU can overclock extremely well and can reach clock speeds up to 5Ghz...
+Robert Orr I think most h110 mobos need a bios update to use the Pentium g4560. You need an older cpu to do that, which negates the cheaper mobo price.
X4 955: absolute bargain
G4560: great performance for its price
R3 1200: great performance for its price and an amazing platform
I am a proud owner of a g4560 since march, but to my friend who's in the process of building a system, I'd recommend the ryzen.
if the r3 1200 positive is an amazing platform then the x4 950 should have the same. They are both on am4
Totally agree with you bro, I also own a g4560 and it is a great cpu for the money, well at least when it was retailing for 60ish dollars, but ryzen platform seems so compelling to me though, I might get an r5 1400 later this month.
Joey Verhaar I'd rather go for the Pentium D
Arminas Milka b350 oc for the win
I think after a year or two the Ryzen will get enough optimalization so it could outperform Intel and games will probably step up to the 4 core standard.
looked like you guys had fun with the video editing and camera angles on this one, and +1 to Nick for the comparison idea! awesome video
I would like to commend the music choice in the building montage, I'm so used to hearing some super over-hyping dramatic sh*t
Agreed, can't remember the original title, but funky af.
I N F L A T I O N
funky stuff, and the video editing was on point
need help finding it...thanks
The winner is the consumer. They have multiple choices to stay on budget.
That was my 1st thought. It's basically the headline for 2017.
Nick looks shooped in when he angled himself... Now that's truly some camera magic at work.
Interesting. I would’ve liked to see the athlon with a ti card
Get a B350 board (Price increase $20)
OC Athlon (Still cheaper by ~$20)
Magic
(Flies away)
+Ak Mungroo Athlon x4 950 is NOT unlocked !
darkki94 It is multiplier unlocked(Read it on amazon product spec sheet)
darkki94 but asus allows overclocking
darkki94 You can OC it on Asus boards.
darkki94 It is!
what you built on the intel side is almost exactly what i want to build! Thanks for making my build now i know what to except and what to change!
Nice to know you can build, a Budget Gaming PC with AMD & Intel ^^
Consumers WIN Again :D
intel wins again
Nukethe Whales not when you upgrade for Overclock, then Intel has lost (in Upgrade Path aswell)
Budget pc'er most likely don't even think about oc.
@Anarchy I built a 490 euro PC 2 weeks ago, and I overclocked the ryzen 3 1200. It beats an i5 7400 in gaming and productivity, so i'm quite happy.
Most people don't want to screw their 3 year warranty :/
Jay 1000$ Build AMD VS INTEL PLEASE !!!
It would be a fun video. But in terms of FPS Intel when paired with an equal GPU will always beat out Ryzen no matter. There are benchmarks all over the place.
However that is only in strict gaming terms of FPS. Not factoring multitasking, virtual machines, editing video, content creation, 3D apps or anything like that.
Production Ryzen will always beat Intel especially at the price-performance ratio.
It just comes down to what each person does with their rig. Only gaming, only production or mixed.
@JayzTwoCents the stuttering in World Of Warcraft is a graphics card issue, not an AMD or Intel specific. To be specific, its something within Nvidias drivers. I had a similar issue with my GTX 1070 but if i swapped in a new drive with a fresh OS it would work. I ended up figuring out that it was a setting within Nvidias Control Panel that I had to tweak and ever since then I never had a stuttering issue. I suffered with that issue for months so trust me it is a pain to figure out. I can't remember the specific setting at this time but I will look back and try to find it.
RockinChaos it could be thermal throttle?💁🏻 idk
Hey! Did you ever find the setting? I have some stuttering too! Thanks!
It's funny how many are crying, "why didn't you buy a board to OC the AMD chip, they could have beat the pentium then!!!"... I think most people here are forgetting that the average person looking for a budget gaming PC isn't going to be overclocking. I love AMD, I really do, it's a great chip even for gaming, but Intel will still pace just ahead of AMD chips in some price ranges. Just like how AMD Ryzen is just ahead Intel in other workloads in various price categories.
No average person OC's anything. Especially not the average consumer who is shopping for a Pentium. Agreed
Chucks Basix just what I wanted to say, probably the comment with most respect and sense.
I want to buy a Ryzen 5 1600,so I'm with AMD for this time, but you are right, while the Ryzen 3 1200 with a 4Ghz overclock smash the Pentium and even some i5, the normal people wants to play and not get into overclock (hell, I built a pc for a friend with a Aorus Gaming K5 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and I didn't overclock it because it's a unexplored territory for me).
In fact, half of the people that haves a system like this pays a store or person to build it for them.
I agree, like below $600-770 budget, OC wasn't in mind, except upgradability (like keeping some parts).
Chiriac Puiu If that guy had OC a system back then, but this scenario is where a new guy jumps into a budget starter gaming PC.
Even I bought a 6700k because of its higher oob clockspeed, not for OC. Z170 motherboard because of the I/O and not because it is an OC capable board
Chucks Basix Honestly, if you build a PC by yourself you're not the ordinary people :P
@JayzTwoCents Wise words!!! This guy has finally said what I've been thinking all the goddamn time when building my budget PC. The "adding a few more bucks" logic does not apply to everybody! I'm so tired of hearing the same thing over and over again from reviewers when not everyone can afford a better system. This is exactly the video I was hoping for in order to finally decide which components to buy. Thank you, really. You have no idea how grateful I am.
but you should add 10 more bucks, just 10 dude :P
Jesus Fernandez how about change the motherboard to b350 for the same price xD
I have had that G4560 since February and it's excellent. I bought it as a placeholder in a z270 board till I was able to save up for a 7700k and I really havnt had too much drive to rush the upgrade. It's an excellent chip especially if you are able to get it for the lower $60 price point
So basically the most basic Ryzen can beat a higher clocked Athlon just by it's improved architecture? Cool.
I have an Athlon x4 860K and I was worried that the lower clocks of the Ryzen 3-s gonna be a problem, but I guess this shows how well they improved. :D
Anyone know when the rog rampage vi extreme motherboard is coming out? I know it's this month but anyone got insight on when exactly?
cool name
Thanks buddy!
Do you know allready? I'm also searching the entire internet... I know they said probably somwhere this month.
I heard by the end of the week but nothing's for sure. It should come by the end of the month.
September 28th. Just look at amazon
build music was SPOT ON. Loved it
love your vidios bro they help forget the pain im at my pc is really low is core i5 650 on a intel dh55 board with a certified 800 watt with an msi 710 1gb gpu 3gb ram ddr3 1333 im disabled and jobless at this time but gamming helps forget pain as your vids do
a cheap second hand gpu would already make that system much better, especially if you avoid the lastest/ most demanding games, you could get somthing like a HD 6950 for 50 bucks
progste
But will 800W really suffice for that? :P
Oscar Giacoman you should try freelancing you could earn some money online
or even less like i did with 20€ postage included and i even flashed it to hd 6970 + oc :3
Cody Pettigrew Not everyone who's legally disabled can work a full time & few jobs let someone work part time & afford a place to stay. You don't know what's wrong with that dude. If you'd ever been in that position yourself, you'd know that. Also, not everyone who's disabled is born with that disability. It's a bit different to lose ability than it is to grow up without. One of those involves a lifetime of learning how to cope with it.
That aside, not everyone who's collecting disability doesn't work. One of the best coworkers I've ever had was disabled & collecting disability, but still worked as much as he could manage.
Moreover, not everyone without a job is too lazy to get one. Disabilities keep you from working a lot of unskilled or low skill labor jobs and many people who become disabled don't have vocational training to get cushy office jobs at places that actually comply with the ADA(or whatever their country's equivalent is).
Should have gone with a cheap B350 ( www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157763&cm_re=B350-_-13-157-763-_-Product) as opposed to the A320. You could have tested the OCing on the 1200 and 950.
Personally, between the two, the AMD build gets my nod. The G4560 is on a dead-end socket(no CoffeeLake Support) with only quad-core CPUs as upgrades, where as the 950 can be upgraded to any Ryzen 4, 6 or 8 core CPUs currently available or the next gen Ryzen CPUs, which AMD has officially stated will be supported by currently available motherboards ( www.eteknix.com/amd-pinnacle-ridge-feature-8-zen-2-cpu-cores/ ).
So, considering upgrade path, and overclockablility (with the $60 B350 board I linked) the 950 should be a no-brainer compared to the G4560. I'm not AMD bias, I'm typing this on my i7 6700k machine, it's just that if I were in the market now, Intel really has nothing to offer, especially since CoffeeLake is not supported on current motherboards, despite using the same socket.
6:20 The moment where you see the billo case and the Athlon X4!😂
Who said Jay Doesn't do Budget??
PewPewPew now we wait for Linus to do a budget build guide.
Andrew Behrend OOOOHHH :P
he already did.
Andrew Behrend Actually while never doing an expilicitly budget build (except for that old G3258 build), Linus for the most part gives fairly reasonable advice when it comes to budget builds, in fact he's one of the people who I first heard recommending 400W PSUs when back then, I thought 550 should be minimum, and saying that stock coolers are perfectly fine even for a mild overclock, of course he tarnished any credibility he had with that BeQuiet sponosered 1000$ build but still he's not as bad as people make him out to be.
I can allready see linus 'budget build' with sli gtx titan xp. those quadro cards didn't quite fit in the budget lol
Please buy a $45 1TB WD Blue and put the $50 into upgrading to a 1050 Ti. Budget builds don't need ssds. They are nice to have but even nicer is actual improvement in game performance.
No.
Jonáš Přibyl tf r u saying? An ssd is bad for budget builds unless ur playing like Minecraft and like a 1050 it would have been better
used i5 3570k (overclock as far as it'll go) - $50
used rx 580 4 gb (the 8 gb ones are all ex-miners) - $100
new jingsha 1155 mobo (this will be the limiting factor for your overclocking, so don't worry about a fancy cooler) - $60
2x8gb DDR3 1600 - $65
128gb SSD - $25
2x500gb refurbished Seagate drives (go raid 0) - $30
Seasonic M12II - $60
HEC HX300 - $30
sketchy ebay windows key - $20
$440 plus tax and maybe shipping, give or take for normal price fluctuations. you could save $20 by using linux or just not activating windows (or pirating it I guess) and if you don't need a whole terabyte you could save $15 there, though hard drive speeds will take a hit since you'll lose raid capabilities. If you reuse an old case and power supply that's another $90 off, for a grand total of $305, and still a better system than either of these.
I OVERCLOCKED MY PC TO 2GHZ SO HAPPY RN !!!!!
omg thanks for all the likes :D i will try to overclock my pc to 1GHZ now !!!!!!!!!!
Bruh the feels. 1.5ghz to 2ghz.
Good luck cooling. You will overheat after 5min (Idle temps)
I got the extinguisher ready just in case
Well I'm still here 11 minutes later so that's good
My 4yo. $500 laptop can go up to 2.5 ghz XD. Imagine getting worse clockspeeds than a laptop
How is the g4560 89.99? I got it for 61 a while ago.
Jay said he bought it for 59 USD at the 2:00 min mark in the video. He listed it as costing 89 because that's what it usually sells for.
Tony K i think the price began to skyrocket as it sold a lot more. I remember when the g4560 and 8gb ddr4 would be around 100 usd. Now ram prices are fucked up high
I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere it's because of gpu miners using it because it works and doesn't use a lot of power.
But I never remembered it going up to 90$ like wow
Miners buying up stock is one of the most likely and accepted explanation, the other is that the Pentium was cannibalizing i3 sales so Intel raised the price or at least held back stock to artificially raise it.
This is a good review. I put together a very similar set-up and I've been happy with it so far. My goal was for decent 1080 gaming.
I bought an i3-7100, H270N-wifi and a to50Ti SSC with 8gb dd4/2400mhz. It works pretty good for me and most games I can play with very high to ultra settings. For a budget build it does a good job.
I think that ryzen wins because you can overclock
luxThePanda This gen of Athlon is unlocked too.
Nice to know. Thx
even with the 3 FPS boost of OCing the Ryzen you are still behind the Pentium by 6+ frames
I hear this athlon is only overclockable on asus boards. Would love to test on my asrock but i don't know if i wanna dump 60 bucks on a processor just for fiddling since I already have a R7.
Jrock420blam 3Fps? lol ua-cam.com/video/SfTcJitmbZM/v-deo.html
Xeon x5675 + motherboard + ram + cooler = ~$300 on Aliexpress
That face you make when he uses the case that you have for your athlon build
*pog*
if you buy second hand parts from ebay you can build a decent gaming pc :
i5 6500
gtx 780 or 1060 or gtx 980 or rx 470
etc etc £400-£500
ex server dual xeon x5672 is still best bang for your buck. I built one...1500 cinebench, 18k firestrike with a 1080ti. No usb 3 or bootable m.2 unfortunately thats really the only down side =/
Its safe to buy XFX cards because they take it back now questions ask even if its used thats why i love XFX. They are the Vortex of GPUS
negativegeforce 1080ti and dual xeon arent budget
I sold my FX8150 and Sabertooth mobo(together) for $100, bought a 4690k for $150, and spent $50 on a MSI Gaming 5 Z97 mobo off Craigslist. I re-used all my old parts including a EVGA 980 and my FPS has doubled and then some in all games just for $100. In PUBG my fps went from like 20-50 to over 100 90% of the time, its amazing. I also have a 144hz monitor so I am benefiting from the high frame rate. Second hand stuff is awesome. XEONS(cheap ones) ARE TRASH FOR GAMING, SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE ISNT THERE.
9% loss of single thread performance which equates to a huge loss in FPS while gaming
Basically this just made me more confident that I did the right decision on buying Ryzen 5 1500x and not Ryzen 3.
Thank you for making this video even though you feel under the weather. Thumbs up to you !!
IMO, the Pentium build is nowhere near worth it. With Coffee Lake coming up, the B250 and Z270 chipsets are dead. They won't support the new CPUs, and B250 doesn't even allow overclocking. While with Ryzen, for the same price as a *locked* B250 mobo you can get an *unlocked* B350 mobo with the Ryzen 1200, you can overclock it AND you get a great upgrade path for the future, since AM4 will be supported at least until 2020.
a one gen old chipset isnt "dead" and can be come nice deals with price drops as well. There is still people gaming on sandy bridge rigs. Not to mention been on latest gen becomes even less important on a budget build.
i7 2600K for the world. Still valid 6 years after launch. Not worth replacing it atm, NEITHER side has sufficient to offer at a reasonable price that's significantly better.
clansome i just realised the i5 2500k has the same performance as my i5 6500 and is a few bux cheaper. Lol
Ok so i don't think you guys understand.... He is completely right about not buying older stuff ... Let's say a CPU has a life of 5 years, so you buy a 2 year old CPU then it has a life of 3 years and not 5
Point is, with the (relative) lack of progress from Intel due to the lack of competition from AMD (and don't get me started on why) the life span of the CPU, if not the chipset, has been extended to 7 years at least. If either company wants me to buy a NEW processor/motherboard/memory they have to give me a pretty compelling reason, and at the moment neither are. I would never recommend buying SandyBridge in 2017 but I have no reason to replace mine yet. However I realise that am digressing from the point of the video, sorry.
7:08 Linus confirmed
You should check the NB of the Athlon, slow bandwidth will cause stutter. The pentium has much better memory controller than the athlon's
Im new to cpu building and im thinking to pairing i5 7600k, gtx 1050 ti 4gb and mobo msi pro-d.. is it good?
Get a better gpu
Rx 580 8gb will do into your build
Thanks for spending $1000 for us viewers!!
Tax write offs ftw.
how does that work btw. care to explain?
3:52 "Power supply from *Cors*.... Aah "Cooler Master* just sponser things xD
Could've purchased a b350 motherboard for $5-$10 more and oc'ed and still would've been cheaper than intel build
I'm playing with a Fx4100 with a R7 360 and 8GB of ram
Jay love you too videos, I would love a video on a starter budget builds with the idea to upgrade(maybe there is one I have not found yet)
Ryzen and a320 does not make any sense.
With the Athlon an A320 it makes even less sense. The Athlon is unlocked and can overclocked sometimes as high as 5GHz.
The price of a B350 and an A320 is almost nothing. At best 10 dollars, but in most cases they are around the same price.
MaddXav
The Athlon would need decent cooling to reach a good overclock though, like the rest of the Bulldozer line of CPU's it'll run hotter.
For the price of an Athlon and good cooler you're getting close to the R3 1200. Has anyone actually tested the stock fan against the Wraith?
The Athlon and A320 board does make sense as a bare-bones budget build though, for somebody who wants more than what the APU can offer.
The Athlon is not unlocked however for whatever reason Asus B350 boards let you overclock it.
Latios Gaming
You're right, come to think of it, its not a 'K' CPU. So we have a situation similar to Intel with non-K chips being overclockable on Z-series boards.
That's really weird coming from AMD, but then some boards specify supporting only 65w TDP on Athlons. AM4 may not be designed to handle higher watt CPU's. Not low and mid-range boards anyway.
Great video, but the Ryzen 3 chip was completely handicapped by NOT using a B350 board to leverage Ryzen's capabilities. Just changing out the chip didn't help and the B350 board would have cost LESS. As I've said before, I'm a "Fanboy" to nothing, but the Ryzen system would have been cheaper and won the competition, hands down!!
On a GPU 1050 even OC all the chips will basically score the same. Check out Hardware Unboxed and Tech Yes City videos where they benchmark like 40 games.
Even OC Ryzen 1200 on a GTX 1060 only beats the Pentium by a handful of frames. Only when they swap a GTX 1080 in there does Ryzen 1200 completely pull away from the Pentium often by 1 or 2 dozen frames.
But who would be looking at a GTX 1080 when they are shopping for either a Pentium G4560 or a ryzen 3 1200. And it most places the R3 1200 still costs double then the G4560.
So GTX 1060 or less price performance king is the G4560.
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man, loving the change your channel has undergone! this was slick, entertaining, and informative. glad to be subbed up!
Where is the link for the keyboard?
Pentium vs Athlon in a budget scenario. Remember when those two were the top performers for each respective company? How things has changed.
Thanks for taking the time and the hard earned money to put this video together. I don't know if you included the cost of a monitor so unless you already have a display you can tack on at least another 100.00+ for that. I don't know who would want to use a dual core CPU on a desktop anymore other than just not being able to afford anything else. I didn't do the drag out bidding war on ebay to get the lowest prices on all the parts I bought but I built my PC with an intel i7 3.4 quad-core on a Dell 7010 motherboard for 235.00 (whole PC with win7 pro 8gb of RAM and a 500gb HDD-now just my storage drive), with an nvidia gtx geforce 960 gpu for 100.00, new samsung 250gb SSD for 90.00, overpaid to support a local pc shop owner who helped my with some questions for an 8gb DDR3 stick of ram for 75.00, a pc case and power supply from another local pc shop for about 85.00, 24 inch HD t.v. for 120.00 ish, keyboard for 11.00. And I had a mouse on hand. overall it was about 726.00
It boots and loads software quickly, and the only games I have are Resident Evil 7, (which was why I invested in the nvidia 960) and Bioshock Infinite. It runs RE7 fantastically, only slows here and there for a second or two when I'm running on a few occasions, but it never does it for some ridiculously long time or very frequently that it becomes annoying. And that is with the settings maxed except for one feature that the card doesn't support. I haven't played anything online and I'm not a big gamer so I may never really end up doing that unless my brother get's me to join him on something in the future.
i think it would be fair if you buy a b350 mainboard bcz there are so cheap and amd is cheaper overall
Being a ryzen fan, i could say, pentium won. BUT, 1200 have 2 more cores, that makes it better for multitasking, (not gaming). Considering this is for a budget gaming rig, price/performance, pentium has won here.
Sure, overclock with stock cooler :)
Godofcheese ryzen overclocks to at least 3.8 ghz fine with a stock cooler. At that point it destroys the pentium for gaming and multitasking.
and then you get a motherboard from azrock that enables overclocking on non k intel CPU's and boom.
Godofcheese First the cooler is the problem, now it's the mobo? Sounds like you're a salty intel fanboy(or girl) and can't accept that ryzen is a better option if you have some technical knowhow.
there are some b350 boards for like $10 more so that troughs an wrench in to price/performance calculations.
Appreciate vids like this . Gives me an idea of what's really available.
my computer i have been running since built in 2012.
AMD FX-8120 ,8core processor
DDR 3 16 gigs,dual channel 2209.7 MHz
Asus AMD Radeon HD 7950 3gig video,core 500 MHz,memory 1250 Mhz
Mobo different from my original but i think this is old also Asus M5A78L-M/usb3 (made in dec 2014)Mini-ATX
250gb ssd by adata and some other random HD's
still runs great,still runs games that are out current.When i made this mofo it was over 1500$
Not bad stuff but id say you should be approached a need for an upgrade. While I don't doubt stuff runs good it may just broden your horizons
500 dollar budget build for Jay unlike 1000+ dollar budget build for Linus
Edit: sorry Linus budget builds are 5k+ dollars...😂😂😂
Linus - Budget PC for only 5,000 dollars XD
Anik Kundu i would just get a console for $500. I would never buy a pc for less than $1000.
$1000 budget means it costs $1000
Anik Kundu for me 1000 is still a budget build
PC MASTER RACE!
Great channel, just discovered it.😃 I tend to buy a $500 system and then upgrade when I have more money. I have a build coming that has a Pentium g4500, 1070 gtx and 8gbs of ram. Already have an I5 7600k to replace the 4500 and will upgrade the ram at a later date. The big thing for me is to make sure I have a motherboard that can handle the upgrades and a good power supply. Also and this is very important enough fans. I tend to go either an evo 212 for my cpu.
Instead of the pentium, can i use the Intel I5 8400??
How i see all amd fanboys
When amd wins : omg intel eat ass im buying amd, amd only , amd always the best
When intel wins :nice video
so true lol
it can also be the other way but i don't get it when OC* Athlon 220G (orhoe the fuck it is called) beats a stock* Pentium G5400 thry think that it is a win
@@technosaber9281 well if the amd chip is cheaper and can give more fps than it is a win, i use intel cpu and amd gpu because they are good price to performance.if i had a chance to switch my g4560 and mobo for 200g with mobo that can overclock it, i would since it would be better solution for me
AMD's low end CPUs aren't very great compared to intel's low end CPUs. AMD *"fanboys"* are *"fanboying"* on the new zen architecture because current AMD is legit better than current intel
"Why do you keep face palming when I do that?" He looked and sounded so sad 😂😂😂
Nice, finally something that does not make me cry, because of my A8-3850 and GT730... XD
(It runs games (MINECRAFT XD) pretty good for me, but who cares, I want more)
Ryzen 1700 and GTX 1080, I'm coming for you soon!
GT730 isn't that far away from APU's integrated graphics. Also, Coffee Lake might be a much better value, releasing in just a month
i have a a8-5500 and a 750 ti, slightly better but i still feel your plain
Yeah if you're on a budget you only really need a 1060 and a good cpu to not bottle neck it
Or get a 980Ti which is much faster than the 1060 and especially here in Europe nearly at the same price...
1060 6GB@350€ New 980Ti 400€
Nevondrax 980ti is more like a 1070 but the prices are ridiculously high more than a 1080 for me.
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honestly man your budget builds help me alot in being able to convince my wife to let me build my own computer lol I could easily go but a pre built but this is pretty sweet. thank!!!!!
One of your best videos yet and I totally agree have a budget stick to it or you can wait forever ... buy the best for what u can afford and I hate to say in Intel won that in my eyes both systems amd had people blind chose the Intel so u can't argue results even if amds number crunching should be better
5:58 instead of Salt Bae.... AMD BAE
I am building a budget PC this month, and I was confused between the ryzen and pentium. My bet was on intel. You cleared it for me man.
Thanks a lot! It helped! :-)
THUMBS UP!
not a fan of Ryzen after dumping my 1700 following some performance issues. That said, I would give this to the Ryzen R3 1200 build. The socket is supported going forward and you have a ton of room for growth. A small upgrade on the motherboard at purchase could let you OC a bit. Even the stock air cooler can manage alright with Ryzen. AMD really has the budget end covered extremely well.
sean johnson what happened with your 1700? Was it a 1700 actually or was it a 1700X? Please tell me more as I'm considering buying
1700 @3.8-3.9The performance issues were a combination of the Motherboard manufacturer's and the new platform. Memory compatability was terrible, I had cold boot issues, turning my system on was a 10 minute process of rebooting over and over. The asus crosshair vi hero was a bad pick from my end. I've only ever had issues with ASUS and customer support was brainless. Combine this with ASUS being unwilling to cross ship for RMA in the hopes that that might fix some of the issues and I gave up. I have a whole thread about it on LTT forums under giving up on Ryzen. I now have a 7700k with an ASROCK Gaming K6 and it's buttery smooth as my daily driver. The performance jump in world of warcraft and every day use was tremendous.
sean johnson damn... That's really upsetting. My plan was to get a CROSSHAIR VI as well with a 1700X.
I honestly want to get a Ryzen based on specs and price, like no doubt. But then when I read these stories, it makes me really uncertain. And I don't know what to do. I need the build to last 5 years and if the CPU is just gonna break down on me, that's super bad
look at asrock imo, chip is still a good value. unless you want high fps on poorly optimised games like wow. Ryzen 1700 @ 3.8 on 1440p @144hz got me about 120FPS in towns and sub 40 in heavy raid situations. The 7700k (at stock) with same GX settings 155 in towns and nothing less than 60 in any raid situation. OC @ 5Ghz it's just silly FPS.
sean johnson well the thing is, if I end up not going for the Ryzen, I'll be waiting for Coffee Lake because I could really use the more cores, it's just that I'm afraid of the Ryzen breaking down. I wouldn't mind getting lower FPS in raids for example, (although I will admit 40 is pretty bad), because I also do GFX and software development, and I know those would benefit from higher cores, and with general multi tasking. But then again, there's no point to it if the CPU is going to stop working or fail miserably in less than 5 years.
2018 update.. amd wins Ryzen 5 2400g
The build I will be getting around Christmas time will cost $700 usd (I'm from Canada, so around $900 cad) Here are its specs
: Coolermaster mastercase 3.1
: 500W EVGA 50+ Bronze
: MSI B250m Bazooka
: Team Vulcan 16gb grey RAM
: i5 7500
: Hyper 212 EVO
: Gigabyte 1050ti windforce OC
: Seagate 2tb HDD
: Samsung 850 Evo M.2
: (Maybe) Kingston A400 128GB for Boot-drive
: RGB Strips
: Corsair CH-9206015-NA Gaming K55 RGB Keyboard
: BenQ ZOWIE 24" 1080p HD Monitor
I will be running PUBG, Siege, BF4, and Arma 3
I literally made a ryzen 5 build for just under 510 dollars.
ya of course 2 years later
@@daevster6663 these builds weren't good when the came out either.
@@bigironenthusiast9343 depends on your definition of good. My friend still rocks a 1050 and a Pentium and hes currently playing farcry new Dawn 1080p 60fps. Many people would argue that's good lol. And for myself I have an r3 and an rx570. And I've yet to come across a game I can't run.
@@bigironenthusiast9343 its bc of the mining craze and pc prices were crazy.
@@daevster6663 running a game and running it well are two different things.
Low budget pc? Welcome to my world ! :))
My first build on a budget of 600-700ish where did I go right and where did I go wrong?Case: Masterbox 3.1 lite, Motherboard: Asus Prime B350M - A/ CSM, CPU: Ryzen 5 1400, GPU: Gigabyte 1050ti 4GB, Power: Corsair CX 550 modular, Memory: DDR4 2666mt 8GB ballistix sport LT, SSD: Sandisk 120GB.
Can it run the latesd AutoCAD tho? I would like to play games while creating sht
Juancho Sevilla yess
Why would You use AutoCAD willingly :P
It would run AutoCad, maybe not with multiple parts open though, also, why wouldn't you use Solidworks, it's so much easier to use