Webisode 51: Part 2 - Homophobia in Hip Hop | DEHH

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  • @MrJoseElBeaner
    @MrJoseElBeaner 12 років тому +11

    Funny how 4 months later Frank Ocean comes out and people accept him. Humanity is growing everyone.

  • @equinocturnal
    @equinocturnal 4 роки тому +11

    The English white dude smoove dropped the n-bomb with the soft "A". I would feel some kinda way but C-town said the F-slur like twenty times. Lol. Great convo!!!

    • @sistah_fistahs_antichrist
      @sistah_fistahs_antichrist 2 роки тому +2

      I think they didn't flip out cuz he's not American. He can't have as much power w the word... also it kinda goes to Feefo's point about respect. Seemed like Ryan already respected everybody in the room.

  • @trextyrone1
    @trextyrone1 12 років тому +14

    To me if you are truly a straight man then a homosexual man being around you should not bother you.

  • @L0uisaAf0a
    @L0uisaAf0a 9 років тому +13

    I've only just recently found DEHH and it's been so good going through the archive and finding gems like this! This conversation is still really relevant although it might not make any sense to create another conversation.. but if you ever did I think it would be good to discuss homophobia in terms of the whole Lgbtq community and not just gay males because even in the queer community they all have different prejudices associated with their sexual orientation.

  • @glesgaculture1701
    @glesgaculture1701 9 років тому +10

    Feefo's on good form here, talking more sense than is usual. I'm beginning to warm to him, I must say.

    • @glesgaculture1701
      @glesgaculture1701 9 років тому +3

      ***** Hmmm, rapier-like. You can't even insult someone originally, ya fuckin wankhandle

  • @E10comedy
    @E10comedy 11 років тому +7

    But Supreme made a good point. I agree it's not a choice, and I am an enormous advocate for gay rights, but being gay is not necessarily something that you can notice on sight. Black people can't hide there skin, but Gay people can and do hide it often, or people just don't know. Not to say that gay people should hide being gay, just many do.

  • @ZACKBLACK
    @ZACKBLACK 12 років тому +1

    im really glad you guys are talking about this topic.

  • @mafipulater
    @mafipulater 12 років тому +1

    Great topic; I found the discussion very interesting. Hope to see more great videos!

  • @DizzeeLex91
    @DizzeeLex91 12 років тому +1

    A guy that I work with put me on them a while ago and I have to say that Vinnie Paz is easily becoming one of my favorite lyricists. I like the way he's in command mode on his records

  • @danaiduma
    @danaiduma 7 років тому +10

    5 years later and Tyler, the Creator comes out as homosexual. Frank Ocean too.

  • @TheMegaTronKwam
    @TheMegaTronKwam 12 років тому

    I feel you guys on this one: I tried to put my boys on Invincible, a lesbian Detroit rapper, and they just completely rejected the music, not because she couldn't spit dope lyrics, but because they can't support gay music. The sad thing is that their opinion of her sexuality completely overshadowed the fact that she rarely, if ever, raps about her sexuality.

  • @alang4190
    @alang4190 Рік тому +1

    the appearance of that british dude felt so random lmfao

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    I actually did bring up religion, but it didn't make the show. People constantly use the Bible as a justification for homophobia among many other social inequities. But I'm with you. Bands like Limp Wrist, Los Crudos, Spitboy, Pansy Division, etc were in rotation so I'm just used to these types of topics.

  • @illtalk900
    @illtalk900 12 років тому +3

    Respect to all yu for touching on a subject most "Hip Hop Heads" are so negative about.

  • @whetumackie3202
    @whetumackie3202 5 років тому

    Yo late to the party, but its interesting to see that discussion is based most around the oral practice of the Hip-Hop culture to generate a generalisation of the culture, without addressing the other practice (DJing, Breaking, Graffiti and so forth) and how the community of who are affected by the slurs can be respected within other practices of the culture. And interesting let the culture being navigated and to the point of being covered by the commercial reaching aspect to the culture. So there are aspects of the culture that are open to the community.

  • @victoriatapia2325
    @victoriatapia2325 7 років тому

    Thank you so much for talking about this.

  • @SarBChild
    @SarBChild 12 років тому

    Review E-40s trillogy that came out yesterday!

  • @AlwaysElevating
    @AlwaysElevating 12 років тому +1

    You have to review Locksmith - Labyrinth! Oh, and it is absolutely FREE.

  • @CarlHH777
    @CarlHH777 12 років тому +1

    In the end, it shouldn't matter. I know it does but it shouldn't. It's about an artist creates. What an artist does in his or her private life is not of our FUCKING business. It should be about the music and nothing else.

  • @nesssideanderson3542
    @nesssideanderson3542 12 років тому +1

    They are definitely not suggesting at any point that homosexuality is genetic or racial - they are comparing it to the societal struggles of differently-raced people in America, and the Western world in general.

  • @RiftRaft123
    @RiftRaft123 11 років тому +3

    With the growth of alternative rap I can see a gay rapper coming but no soon because alternative rap just started getting popular.

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому +1

    A lot of us grew up that way. I thought the same way when I was really young, but I still never called people "faggots." Not sure why. Just didn't. But at the same time I don't really remember it raising major flags. At any rate, going through my PC punk rock phase totally killed that type of speech. And I still stay away from it today.

  • @Goofle11
    @Goofle11 12 років тому

    Agree with that. I am from a pretty poor area in England with a majority white population. You not only get a hell of a lot of homophobia, but you get kids openly using racial slurs on public transport.
    As you said, lack of education (not just book taught) is what creates these problems, not race.

  • @EricNygma
    @EricNygma 12 років тому

    I think for your next discussion you guys should talk about why hip-hop legends aren't treated as well as say maybe rock legends. Unless that'll be too similar to your past topic of why black people don't go to concerts. I thought about this when Ecstacy of Whodini asked the same thing on their episode of Unsung.

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    Click that X at the top of the screen. That changes everything. Believe me.

  • @lwjohnson94
    @lwjohnson94 12 років тому

    Great vid as always!

  • @mrscherribrown
    @mrscherribrown 12 років тому +1

    What about Mr. Cee, the NY DJ that got caught getting dome in an alley by a tranney? He tried to deny it, but the tranney, Britney?, gave details, and he plead guilty. Mr. Cee is not a rapper, but he is a very influential figure in Hip-Hop. He is still on the radio, and he is accepted. He never came out and said he was gay, but does he really have to? He got caught red-handed.

  • @StokeCityFC44
    @StokeCityFC44 12 років тому

    There is an article on pitchfork called we invented swag that talks about homophobia in hiphop that you guys should check out, it also talks about LE1F who is a gay rapper/producer and he did a beat for das racist, which shows some kind of acceptance there. There are plenty of gay musicians in all other genres of music too, including black guys, and it is totally accepted there and isn't really even mentioned so i think hiphop has the potential to grow. also nice to hear football, not soccer ;)

  • @MasterAckrovan
    @MasterAckrovan 12 років тому

    They talked about Mr. Cee in the first part. He pled guilty but afterwards he denied it and stated he was set up. He wasn't comfortable admitting he was gay.

  • @MindBodyandMusic
    @MindBodyandMusic 12 років тому +1

    I can't speak and say that there aren't any gay people that like rap music, but from what I have seen from MOST gays, they are more into pop (lady gaga, rihanna, beyonce), techno....so i don't even know too many that like to LISTEN to it let alone create it. The issue isn't about acceptance, it's about lack of candidates to be accepted in the first place. I'm sure if there was a gay guy who could seriously spit he would have fans

  • @DaPrince135
    @DaPrince135 12 років тому

    another great show

  • @AnimalSanchezZzZer
    @AnimalSanchezZzZer 12 років тому

    Im watching I swich to another tab for a sec and I come back and they are in black in white

  • @Goofle11
    @Goofle11 12 років тому

    Also it's important to note that there just might not be any gay rappers out there who are big. It's entirely possible considering how a gay man would be intimidated before he even tried to become a successful MC.

  • @AnimalSanchezZzZer
    @AnimalSanchezZzZer 12 років тому

    I know right!

  • @Goofle11
    @Goofle11 12 років тому

    Apologise if this has been posted already. Hip Hop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes: /watch?v=_8YpcN7oKIM
    In Part 4 Busta pledges his allegiance.

  • @Nic214E
    @Nic214E 9 років тому +4

    Myke needs a mic

  • @issll2474
    @issll2474 4 роки тому

    crazy to see how far rap came

  • @TheSlappyBag
    @TheSlappyBag 12 років тому

    I think the time it takes an openly gay rapper to enter hip-hop really depends on when the issue of acceptance of Homosexuality in society comes is examined. In this age, there is progress being made towards acceptance, but it is a slow one. Once real legislation actually occurs that makes it easier for homosexuals in society, I think that someone will finally enter the field. No one really knows how long that will take, but hopefully it will be soon.

  • @mwmaggles
    @mwmaggles 12 років тому +1

    Wonder how you guys would feel about the new mixtapes from Le1f and Cakes Da Killa, especially with this topic.

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    I don't necessarily agree. I don't think it's an education issue. Some of the most educated men will still say gays are unnatural. Growing up in Conyers (a very small lower income city) homophobia was still higher with blacks than whites. With the black community we are FAR more obsessed with being tough and hard than some other cultures. That sentiment (along with our obsession with certain factions of religion) is what turns blacks off to gays. Not so much education.

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    Haha! Thanks, bro!

  • @jgip64
    @jgip64 12 років тому

    I think so......I'm looking forward to them

  • @GeorgeOscarBluthII
    @GeorgeOscarBluthII 11 років тому

    Watch the Gangstalicious episode of The Boondocks. They show, if it makes money, people will rock a gay man's club anthem. Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) is Gangstalicious too.

  • @wisdom261
    @wisdom261 12 років тому

    thats so true i 100% agree with your comment

  • @Anthology7IN
    @Anthology7IN 12 років тому +1

    I think Immortal Tech was commenting on the fashion industry dictating what is a beautiful women when it's dominated by men who don't like women (Gay men).

  • @coolnesss16
    @coolnesss16 12 років тому

    The thing is that there are people that genuinely like bigger guys or girls and thought that was hot even before Biggie or Big Pun so that's not breaking many boundaries. There being an openly gay mainstream rapper is very different but like you said right guy right time and who knows what could happen.

  • @SarBChild
    @SarBChild 12 років тому

    we dont have too many female emcees as is! Its a struggle for women to represent! Gay folks will have it just as hard.

  • @lafrikone
    @lafrikone 10 років тому +5

    Funny to see this after these 2 last years. Kinge was right.

  • @everythingspeaceful
    @everythingspeaceful 10 років тому +2

    i'd love to hear you review something by mykki blanco

    • @SamShadow93
      @SamShadow93 10 років тому

      I know, I keep suggesting Mykki in the comments. Maybe they'll do Gay Dog Food when it comes out : ]

  • @mrscherribrown
    @mrscherribrown 12 років тому +1

    @bowieboi77- If a gay rapper came out the gay population would def support their own. They would just have to be really good. The music would have to balance the "gayness".

  • @TheSnoozeFox
    @TheSnoozeFox 12 років тому

    anyone know where c-towns t-shirt is from it looks fucking awesome

  • @bandicoot2ps1
    @bandicoot2ps1 12 років тому

    Where do I fall? I don't feel comfortable around gay men, but a lesbian can be my sister or brother depending on what they're attracted to. Am I homophobic? Do I have to not like both to be ? Or because I only accept lesbians in my circle am I still ignorant.

  • @toneriggz
    @toneriggz 12 років тому

    Action Bronson x Party Supplies- Blue Chips...The people need this review...

  • @DizzeeLex91
    @DizzeeLex91 12 років тому

    I thought it was alright the first time around. But now I like it. I was expecting them to come a lit harder lyrically but I have to remember, this is odd future. Lyrics are pretty much so so with them. Earl went in on Oldie though.

  • @MalikCM
    @MalikCM 12 років тому

    in a sense it is like being a minority race or ethnic group in a population and how they are treated unfairly in societies around the world.

  • @Neurozumim
    @Neurozumim 9 років тому

    There has been gay hip hop rappers since the late 1980's in very obscure scenes, but soon after this video was released, Le1f released his single "Wut", which will be probably remembered as the first important "hit" (an underground hit, of course) performed by an openly gay rapper (not counting closeted gay rappers which I'm sure exist). Mikky Blanco came soon after the same year. Zebra Katz was even before this video, but it wasn''t obvious from his first track (Ima Read, Jan 2012), though earlier erratic UA-cam clips were suggestive. Basically, Kinge was very right. EDIT - ERRATUM: Cazwell had apparently "Dance Charts" hits in the 2000's. Him and Big Dipper had gay hip hop hits before Le1f's Wut, but they catered very specifically to the gay crowds in an humoristic way, while Le1f was closer to real Hip Hop, not sure if that makes sense. Is Cazwell just clowning? Nope. But his single Ice Cream Truck is very campy, like most of Big Dipper material. Deep Dickcollective also produced gay rapping before all those guys that received little attention.

  • @encdee
    @encdee 12 років тому

    whats up with a review of the new Sean Born album. Behind the Scale.

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    I do. Some records more than others.

  • @Free411
    @Free411 12 років тому

    What about the Freaky Boiz? and no I'm not being facetious....they are actually a gay rap tandem. I'm not sure how prominent they are but they did get interviewed on the BreakfastClub.

  • @guccikline
    @guccikline 12 років тому

    OF tape vol 2!!

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    I agree with everything you're saying except the poverty thing. It's very easy to throw poverty at issues as well as education to keep from discussing the deep seeded issues that we as black men have. I just think, on a broader scale, that we have a bigger issue with it. But yeah, we can agree to disagree.

  • @mwmaggles
    @mwmaggles 12 років тому

    It's interesting what has developed recently with both Jay-Z and T.I. talking about how they support same-sex marriage. As well, Azealia Banks has mentioned her sexual orientation in an interview, saying that "I’m not trying to be, like, the bisexual, lesbian rapper. I don’t live on other people’s terms." There seems to be a bigger dialogue cracking open concerning homophobia in hip hop.

  • @bamfan151
    @bamfan151 12 років тому

    review OF TAPE VOL 2 anddd TAYLOR ALLDERDICE

  • @mykectown
    @mykectown 12 років тому

    More socially aware at 13? Nope, because more times than not in Conyers I was their only black friend. And why would them calling someone a faggot offend a straight black male? Kids that age don't process the whole idea of "if you talk about one minority you'll talk about another." Of course, education affects your ideas about certain things...I just don't think that's the sole reason. Especially when you get older and you're growing up primarily in the black community.

  • @DizzeeLex91
    @DizzeeLex91 12 років тому

    Yea. their gonna review Pink Friday Roman Reloaded when it comes out. Just for you sunshine.

  • @teckzilla108
    @teckzilla108 11 років тому

    funny enough the 2 gay athletes mentioned have Nigerian roots. Justin Fashanu(Late football player) & John Amaechi(retired Basketballer)

  • @PM2126
    @PM2126 12 років тому

    I agree 100%

  • @Goofle11
    @Goofle11 12 років тому

    Even though I have grown up around a majority of White and Asian guys, I think it is unfair for people to say "especially the black community" when it comes to homophobia. I think it is something that is generally accepted in society, and something unquestioned on the whole. I don't think one race in particular is more culpable.
    Saying that, I think if, let's say, Kanye West came out as gay, he would still sell, still be accepted within his peer group and not much would change in his life.

  • @leilamaliki1
    @leilamaliki1 12 років тому

    review new e-40 and dj premiere/bumpy knuckles!

  • @fucklayne
    @fucklayne 12 років тому

    Review OF Tape Vol 2!

  • @Planettyrone
    @Planettyrone 3 роки тому +1

    White dude straight up said nigga 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @LBOTrecords
    @LBOTrecords 12 років тому

    I think it's interesting how religion, especially in the black community, is never brought up during this discussion. I think the morals that have been passed down from Christianity, Islam ect are so ingrained into the community that straying away from these ideas could take generations.
    I come from more of a punk rock background, where I've listened to and enjoyed openly gay bands like Limp Wrist. Can't relate to all their lyrics, but they brought the same energy all the straight bands did.

  • @mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904
    @mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904 10 років тому

    That is just for them to know.

  • @PoeticsMD
    @PoeticsMD 12 років тому

    OF Vol. 2 review please.

  • @PM2126
    @PM2126 12 років тому

    I doubt that will happen
    Doesn't he have a few projects planned for this year?

  • @MyDogBrownie
    @MyDogBrownie 12 років тому

    how have they not yet reviewed Mac Miller's Mixtape???

  • @Goofle11
    @Goofle11 12 років тому

    You are probably right in relation to your own experiences. I am sure there are large sections of black communities that are homophobic. It is the same everywhere. Maybe those white guys you know were actively more socially aware because they were growing up around Black people, so they didn't want to offend?
    Black or white, when you are sitting with your Gran having a cup of tea and she says "I hope you get a girlfriend soon because I am starting to have fears..." shit gets awkward real fast.

  • @DizzeeLex91
    @DizzeeLex91 12 років тому

    Ay Myke I was curious, Do you like Jedi Mind Tricks?

  • @matthew56nights
    @matthew56nights 12 років тому

    clearly.

  • @Das2140
    @Das2140 12 років тому

    What I'm curious about, is not so much whether or not we will ever see a dope, popular, Gay MC, but whether or not the Homophobic slurs we see thrown around on a verse will ever die. To me, a white guy saying the N-word and "not meaning it like that" is the same as a Straight person saying "Faggot" and "not meaning it like that." I'm not saying this to offend anyone. Look at all the battle rappers who use Homosexuality to offend their opponents, or how often the word "Faggot" gets thrown around

  • @Altuawn1
    @Altuawn1 12 років тому

    where their fathers are and wasnt raised by men. I came from a single parent household, so I wouldnt knock single mothers but a woman cant teach a boy to be a man. That's something a mature man has to do. As far as these rappers, it's not hard to see that alot of them are gay but they wont come out because it would ruin their rep

  • @jgip64
    @jgip64 12 років тому

    I'm still waiting on that Freddie Gibbs cold day in hell review lol

  • @SandersRobin24
    @SandersRobin24 12 років тому

    I wouldn't say that it's impossible for it to be accepted. I just think the right guy has to come out and embrace it in a unique way. Biggie and Big Pun somehow managed to have sex appeal while being extremely overweight so it can definitely happen with the right guy at the right time.

  • @dib115
    @dib115 12 років тому

    I think this argument is moot. Saying MOST gays like pop and techno is like saying MOST asians are good at math and chemistry.

  • @amor49er1
    @amor49er1 12 років тому

    where's the of tape review?

  • @dommy101ful
    @dommy101ful 12 років тому

    speaking of Gay rapper there is 1 that every loves his name is Sissy Rich a very talented rapper I think u guys should check him out he can freestyle sooo good

  • @khanartwist
    @khanartwist 12 років тому

    Ryan from London says "you know" every 3 seconds haha

  • @mrscherribrown
    @mrscherribrown 12 років тому +1

    Everybody knows Da Brat and Queen Latifah is gay. They are accepted. I definitely think Hip-Hop is ready to embrace a gay rapper because we already do. He/She just has to be dope.
    As far as sports is concerned, I think the fear is that most of those athletes are gay/bisexual. They don't want to openly accept it because they don't want to be exposed. However, I think if an athlete was honest about his/her sexuality they would be accepted. Gay is the new black.

  • @theinvaderzim3
    @theinvaderzim3 12 років тому

    agreeds, a lot of people who discusswhite people saying the n word forget about the number of people who say faggot in rap. imo I think rappers saying faggot is worse because whenever it's being used, it's in a negative way, the same way from which it came from. whites who say nigga say casually so the morjority of time it's being used, it's not in a negative way. the closest to being negative would be when they are angry at someone and even then, you still need other words infront of it to hit

  • @Wisegodman
    @Wisegodman 12 років тому

    @skittlerancher18 yea i'm suprised they didn't talk about that

  • @PM2126
    @PM2126 12 років тому

    @wwe2dragon on the old school bs new school videos, they touched on that issue

  • @dudekid19
    @dudekid19 12 років тому

    and i thought i was the only one!

  • @jacksonick77
    @jacksonick77 12 років тому

    It ALL comes down to sexism at the end of the day. Homophobia is an extreme form of sexism.

  • @diegoscp
    @diegoscp 12 років тому

    he is my homie dude...what happened? I just saw him a few months back.

  • @encdee
    @encdee 12 років тому

    Lil b and odd future suck. review that Sean Born. Behind the Scale. Kev brown production is priceless. Album deserves a review on that alone. Imo of course

  • @PM2126
    @PM2126 12 років тому

    @jilla82 I know right, there is no especially.

  • @kobe24mvp81
    @kobe24mvp81 12 років тому +1

    Racism is still not accepted today, I think gay rappers can get to the stage of being accepted like how nonblack rappers are accepted today...there will always be a group that will not accept it but it def can work as long as you are a dope MC

  • @EcstaticPickles
    @EcstaticPickles 12 років тому

    REVIEW OF TAPE vol 2

  • @MrDrsogood
    @MrDrsogood 12 років тому

    Review Taylor Allderdice

  • @kamudasilva
    @kamudasilva 12 років тому

    why do guys take so long to upload new videos? I wanna see them reviews and webisodes lol