+Kory Kent Then explian to me why Drake is a top selling rap artist with every single damn album and every drill artist is a one hit wonder in their own hood?
***** Drill music is the same way but no one gives a fuck about or buying a lil Bibby or Lil Durk album en-mass So if you ask me, this was one shitty Saturday morning cartoon villain plan we have here.
***** "Have you not seen the rise of incarcerations since the Gangsta rap movement?" Have you seen the raise in ice cream sales? oh that has nothing to do with anything because causation doesn't equal correlation. Now you want to talk about poverty and incarceration, that is a better correlation than gangsta rap " This is a well thought out plan which has worked extremely well." Similar to every other wild-eyed conspiracy, what's the end game. "People like Lil Durk, Young Thug, Bobby Shmurda are a consequence of that era." No, they're shitty rappers aiming for the low hanging fruit. Because they lack this thing called talent
***** Dude , I can listen to Gucci Mane and not want to kill anybody or sell drugs and the same can be said about movies but let me not ruin your want to see Captain America this weekend. "Why would companies like Microsoft invest millions in private prisons?" What would a multi-billion dollar company that is the second most used OS in the world after Apple, invest in private prison? Show proof or shut up
"The exception is never the rule. You are using a straw man's argument. " Yet your using the same straw man to support your argument about gangsta leading to prison but you have yet to show any proof of if. " Proof for Microsoft involvement in private prison is everywhere online but I doubt you really want to learn about it." Dude I already found and read that link. One the site has a disclaimer saying its not their fault if the information is inaccurate, strike 1. Strike 2, Microsoft is only mentioned once and it doesn't even name them as an investor and Strike 3, it was written by some who is very far left even to me.
I was a teenager in the 90s. I remember (and I was a huge fan of conscious rap - PE, PRT, KRS, X Clan - and they all disappeared in favor of West Coast gangsta rap)
+The Realness because people don't buy it or want to hear it. so why is the industry going to dump millions into the stuff if no one is going to buy it.
+Kharmatos13 that's an incorrect statement to say no one will buy it or want to hear it. No one also says music has to be conscious music either. it's called balance which the industry desperately needs.
@@Kharmatos13 the industry has hypnotised us to want what is pushed. Songs about all sorts of topics can sound good and touch your soul but you will only crave the ones that are played on certain platforms repeatedly. To hear a song only once and need it just doesn't happen much at all. As if we only want negative music lol the idea is preposterous! Urban music, particularly young black music, has been stained with negativity on purpose.
Why can't the meeting taking place be true? There are meeting all the time that are held to discuss,plot and design agendas that people in power want to push and accomplish in America and all over the world. I'm more amazed that there is such disbelief that such a meeting could have taken place at all.
I lived in Germany for two years (them ppl know how to riot, btw- they tear the cobblestone out of the street and rain it on Riot Po) and they showed me videos of them protesting the G20 Summit (Bilderberg group). I naively asked why since I thought as a young, American,slightly brainwashed girl countries cooperating was a good thing. Theybexplained to me it was the richest ppl in the world meeting, to figure out how to become more rich and enslave this entire planet. When will we know what to do to fight? Are we already peasants- too weak living paycheck to paycheck?
Meetings take place between people who share a similar agenda. The question: were the music industry and the private prison industry really in the same boat, so that they created this elaborate plan? Possible. I did not do deep research into that field, but it would surely be an elaborate conspiracy. Another question: if gangster rap had supposedly been forced upon the people by shady business executives to, why are the people so mentally poor and did not properly analyse and reject the negative impact of this genre? I remember Senator Bob Dole and C. Delores Tucker speaking out against gangster rap, but they were ridiculed! Regarding gangster rap as a form of brain washing to generate delinquents: You can only manipulate people who are very susceptible to manipulation, typically people of low intelligence or low social and mental awareness!
I would say to the Mike guy on this vid: yeah, Ice-T & NWA were out, but remember-they hardly got ANY radio play right? But once Dr. Dre started Death Row Records-IN '91-gangsta rap blew ALL the other music genres away. Snoop became a household name, and you saw gangsta rap go from little pockets across the country to top of the American mainstream music charts....... WHY?
ambeh ak47 Because political hip-hop is more dangerous to the status quo in the minds of racist paper-pushers than gritty stuff that's perceived as glorifying inner city gang life. This was also within twenty years of shit going down with MOVE and the Panthers.
Around ice t and nwa they was trying to ban it. Technically that shit was underground rap that blow up. Just like today its tons of underground rappers that are still famous they not on the radip but they on everybody's play list . Ww give the system too much credit and we say they are better than they really are. I believe some time in between when gangsta rap was banned to when it was endorsed and when they seen Gangsta rap selling with a ban on it they became open to it for the money. Plus by the late 80s drug crimes was picking up. And they put 2 and 2 together. The same few groups of rich people got a hand in everything so of course they noticed the rap and prison thing. This topic is way over that brotha head in the video. He may not be in the street enough or something.
Plato "Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form."
The thing feefo was talking about with the judge giving kids time in return for profit was talked about in Michael Moore's documentary, "Capitalism, A Love Story". Fantastic documentary, very eye opening.
I'm looking around at these people on this video and y'all do look kind of young if you wasn't around and I'm talking about a young adult in the '80s you can't very well talk about the change that's happening in the next decade not with all influenced information because you were too busy growing up... so nice try guy guys but go with a subject matter that you were actually there for you know one that you can actually compare to the one before it as well as after it as a real adult. Sounds to me like you just wishing and hoping that is not real instead of looking at the facts and all the evidence come on man up young men!
I am the first male to ever have a Masters in my family. I am setting a trend that will last. Back then it was about having a job. Education was secondary. Now, education is a front runner. It doesn't stop blacks from being incarcerated. It just increases the number of blacks in college. Place side by side it looks great in comparison to the number of incarcerated black males. It's a statistics game they are playing.
It's a trend, stepping stone from tk to Incarnation. College educated or penitentiary degree, in all due respect sir a judgmental mental, will see you all as one, one for all, the same.
5:48 The fact that "gangster rap" as a sub-genre had already developed doesn't exclude the possibility that it was deliberately pushed at a later stage. Earlier on it was just one of many styles of rap, not too significant compared to for example the Native Tongues movement. In the early to mid-1990s period "gangster rap" became dominant and synonymous to the genre as a whole!
Exactly I think it was a push to influence a particular industry in the stock market so certain people could invest money and profit because of pop culture INFLUENCE
Whether theletter is true or not does not matter ad much as how valid the information conveyed is. If the letter is not real, okay....how real are the said results and how real is the evolution of hip-hop aligned with the points made in the letter? This is like the Willie Lynch letter of hip-hop.
OLDER HEAD HERE, I remember the videos played/pushed went from king sun's "Be Black" and Paris' various pro Black songs and other positive gestures in videos such as all the rappers up until like 93 were rocking and repping mad college apparel and the college enrollment numbers reflected that. But then came late 93-early 94. All the videos had every rapper in jail in their videos and life imitates art
Who ever told the story either told the truth,half way the truth,a bit of the truth,and rather it was true or not,this story was obviously put out there to make people think about how screwed up hip hop/rap has become.Definately good dialogue if nothing else.
That one dude obviously doesnt know rap history and historical context. Yeah, NWA and Ice T and Ice Cube came out at that time, but what came during the rest of the 90s? More ghetto crime rap. NWA was unique at that time. Ice T was already doing his thing. Also, don't forget about the censorship movement at the end of the 80s (2 live Crew PMRC) when they lost the censorship battle, next thing to do is control the content for some other "agenda" Case in point, you don't hear anyone giving props to 80s rappers who were on a positive tip AT ALL anymore. It's like they never existed at all now, according to people to say NWA came out in 88 therefore gangsta rap was already pushed no it wasn't. Things were more anomalous than that. Pre-internet. Go watch old Yo! MTV rap episodes by year and you won't see gangsta rap all over it. Hell, even 2 pac was digital undergrounding it back then. Rodney King LA riots circa 1992. Just sayin.
I did a paper that touched on this in '93 based on my own observations while studying the music industry in general. It was for a marketing class at a university in LA. I never understood how we went from Public Enemy in '89 to NWA in 90 until I did that paper. I learned through my research that hits and sales were planned and fabricated. It's about paying DJs, record store shelf space etc. I also learned that old white men were 100% responsible for what got on Black radio. Not sure if this really went down but it is really plausible
Yeah, the shift changed the whole culture of hip- hop, and not in a good way. Whether there is a conspiracy to debase the culture or if it was done purely because it was profitable, the result was not good for the medium. Like it or not, messages in music can effect the minds of youth and when rap stars portray materialism, violence and misogyny in their lyrics than that is an image formed in impressionable minds. Public Enemy and other rap groups of that time held messages of black empowerment, strength and intelligence and as soon as gangsta rap hit the airwaves it was demolished. I'm not saying I don't respect the talent of NWO, Dr.Dre and the other stars who came after, but I think they sold out to make records. Ice T was a really cool cat spreading hip hop in his community with a real positive message until he got on that OG tip and became a rap star. Why'd he have to change his image to succeed? Because that's what record companies wanted.
@@evanhall5565 I no logner have the paper but I can tell you this. They decide in a board room what goes platinum before it's even released. During thr CD days they already have the units manufactured, shipped, warehoused and sold to retail stores months ahead of time. The record company would buy back any units that were not sold within a certain period of time. They made deals with radio for airplay which is illegal but it happens. The bottom line is our stars are made for us thus our culture is programmed in us.
"Dear Barack, I know you just a puppet but i'm givin you props You lyin to the public like it ain't nothin an I just love it I hope it don't stop" -Ab-Soul
I gotta say homeboy with the breads is so slow minded to me my opinion, if he cant see. Plans take time and precision that's why it works. As long as people's minds are like his things like that can work.
This meeting is synonymous to the "Willie Lynch Letter". Whether its true (the letter or meeting) the contents within those modes are still holding true to this day.
I think the purpose of the letter was to bring awareness to the fact that the private prisons benefit from the negative influence of hip hop/rap music...whether the letter is real or not is not the point.
I wish everyone would just be honest with themselves and honest with reality and stop being little punks and admit some fucked up shit goes on in our world! This shit is not just entertainment!!
"YOU DON'T THINK THEY CAN SEND SOME DAMN X-MEN TYPE ASSASSINS..,YOU DON'T THINK DEADPOOL AND NIGHTCRAWLER COULD BAMF INTO YOUR HOUSE AND GET YOU?! *deceased*
The machinations behind our government have been far beyond our control for many years now. Without total, revolutionary, revolt, nothing will ever change so our generations has adopted an apathy for it.
- Aristotle Musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who is ill-educated ungraceful.
1994 the Crime bill passed. 1994 Biggie released Ready to Die. From then on the tap game stop playing a De La Soul. Anything positive. The drug dealer game all of a sudden took over the rap game. Then came Jay Z who did nothing but sell the fake it till you make it propaganda.
I agree that many conspiracy theories can come across like theyr just strung together by long strings of speculation and end up sounding wild & unrealistic. But I also believe that if people were given insight into many things that go on and have gone on they may be just as shocked and unwilling to believe I havent read this letter but as far as the concept goes i have long since believed things like this take place. In theory/principle it seems completely plausible and even likely. opportunity
8:50 - Is on par. When information is getting pushed and accessed, your next tactic is to muddy the information so no one knows what is truth and fact. That way you can be labeled and dismissed as "crazy".
Ponder this, regarding intentionality: Rappers can say the most ignorant and non-life-affirming things about Black people, but the minute Michael Jackson used ONE racial epithet concerning non-black people and they forced him to delete words from a hit song.
No he isn't by any means. We talk and hang with him all the time. He's a really bright fella as displayed in this video. I felt in putting this together that he would really shine in this one more than he has in the past and he did well. People think it's cool to clown him and are falling into a trend.
Lately in almost every rap song I hear on the radio, its always hear "light skin, red bone, white girl, dark skin" why is this. Why is there this sudden obsession with skin tone of women in hip hop. What is the message they are sending to young girls.....because its working.
Yeah the industry is terrible. I been working as an independent artist for 6 yrs now and I know my ass can rap. Several labels dropped deals with me because I refuse to make more 'sexually explicit' material. It used to bother me but I just pray about it now cuz too many kids have told me my lyrics help them personally. It's like the labels praise you and put you on a pedestal then when it come down to market there's always well you won't sell without an image, ppl wanna hear something sexy -_- I'm not givin up on HipHop tho I feel with the power of Internet ppl can market themselves nowadays But we gotta stop supporting the bs And SEARCH for truth
I dont know about today, but in 1998, i was in a prison that held like 1500 ppl. That prison recieved 33k a yr per inmate back then. And that's in Ky. so imagine how much private prisons profit in 2021 in highly populated states like Cali, Ny, or illinois!!
Not openly endorse but it allows it to go on because its an "efficient" system that makes companies/US government tons of cash. And no, very few people know about it inside of the US, inside and outside of hip hop. It's an uncomfortable reality a lot of people don't want to talk about.
I'm 59 and remember the violent rap was out in the mid 80s. The first rap I heard and others have said Was the first was The Sugarhill Gang. I loved it. It was about 1977.
Well, to you guys on the video...my dad was in a similar meeting..I'm a child of the so called radical movement and my father has new interviews coming out "The Hip before the Hop" Regarding the Hip Hop and the Prison industrial system. Check out my dads album in Rolling Stones Magazine "The 40 most Influential albums in the World" the Legendary Watts Prophets Album "Black Voices on the streets of Watts". I believe released 1968. I will keep you guys posted on the new interview coming out...
I believe a meeting did take place just based on books and interviews from Dr. Francis Cress Welsing. Take a close look at Hip Hop and how it has become very very dark. Can't listen to the music now the culture of it has change.
Yo Myke C-Town. You have to be able to see the correlation between impressionable youth and gangster rap and how it can help push the agenda for making money off private prisons. You your self in the conversation about hip-hop's responsibility said that children listening to gucci would believe what he is saying and listen to his music as inspiration to carry things out in their own lives. So to make this statement in this video contradicts points you made in others.
I do think that conscious rap is missing in hip hop these days. Music is so powerful that it can subliminally lead people astray, particularly young black and latino because they are only accustomed to this negative toxic rap that's out. The youth really have to be aware of what's going on, globally of the negative portrayal of black people especially through the gise of hip hop.
Profit motive only matters. Gangsta rap (bling or drill era), emo rap (soundcloud era), pop rap (Lupe's Lasers album, Macklemore, etc.), they'll hop on those trends.
Do recall what time period in Rome's history the Gladiator fights were the most popular? .....Doesn't it coincide with whats going on in America and the world as a whole right now?
I remember the shift because I went from loving rap to hating it. Who wants to hear about dealing and b-itches aint sh.. but H_es and Tricks all day everyday. Here it is 20 years later and mofos STILL talking about being a BOSS and birds and not one person can point to a real success story for this lifestyle yet its still being talked about like its all good in the hood. Imagine the difference pushing EDUCATION of self would have made. All those rappers got pushed to the back for a reason.
I love this type of ish. People critically breaking down facts from fiction, from what is known to what is possible. Keep it up guys. I know personally how easy it is for a minority to go to jail in urban areas. The prison institution is possible, though I personally think it goes way beyond just the prison's. @mykectown you really couldn't have put it better, sensationalised conspiracy theories really do fuck up the credibility of other ones that are close if not dead-center to the truth.
Yeah this Mike Guy is obviously a youngster. Grammar errors? Ok what ever. Gangster rap was not on the radio then. It was underground. X Clan, public enemy, Native Tongue, Def Jeff, Brand Nubian and the whole Afrocentric black college vibe was ruling. NWA, DJ Quik, etc...took off in ‘91. Deep cover was the song that changes it all!
This shit is nonsense. Can my people stop with the fucking excuses and take responsibility for what goes on in our communities??? Does the music we listen to completely dictate our lives? Can we not make our own choices???
apparently not every young boy and some men got a rapper they idolize... and try to emulate... all these young black men yelling they a thug rl thugs get pissed when you call them thugs we celebrate the most ignorant shit and ppl yes... we gullible and cant think for ourselves half of us waiting for jesus christ king of the zombies to rescue us the other half waiting for the next malcolm x or martin luther king jr.
im not for all the excuses but rap music has told people how to dress what to say what type of sneakers to wear whats in and whats not in,all from hiphop from clothes to slangs and of course attitude in situations ,so yes we make our own choices but the television and radio are very powerful tools in swaying that choice your gonna make
Whether the letter is real or not the agenda is very clear. Scientifically music affects a mind set. Video and music molds children especially those who lack guidance. If I’m a music executive and I have stocks in private jails why not fill in the gap. None the less, there is a reason why they push certain artist in their rosters and why their messages are more degrading.
The guy from "Europe" who quit his job was probably not giving his true location due to the very issue of being identified. Fellas, y'all gotta learn to chew the meat and spit out the bones. The Message of the letter is what was important. Forget the messenger, just get the dag gum Message!
These dudes are clowns/ puppets. This happened, is happening w/ pop and other genres as well. Movies, film, music, all industries. What would you sell your soul for or have sold it for already?
record companies always try to push artist to make music that sells if political rap like public enemy started to sell again record companies would be pushing artist to make fight the power type records again but to be honest i think with this day n age especially here in uk record companies are starting to loose control with more and more artist taking the independent route instead of letting record companies control what we hear
Notice how the youngest guy is trying to explain their logic or theory to people that lived through it. Instead of listening and learning he thinks he can just call those people wrong
This is one of your best videos so far. After reading the letter myself I do find it all a bit too far fetched. I would like to believe that stuff like this doesn't go on, but unfortunately I think these kind of meetings do take place, just not to the extreme that this letter describes.
Can't believe its been 8 years since I first watched this. Do you have any follow-up information, like who were the industry moguls at the meeting that complied with letter?
Socially conscious rap was becoming mainstream amongst urban ppl in the 80's..I'm pretty sure the Secret Society wasn't feelin' that. So the ceo's pushed the more ignorant gangsta, coke,junkie rockstar rap thru the 90's and now. More influence on naive young urban folks surrounded by the settings explained in the songs. Big business over hip hop would rather you succumb to your environment than overcome it. Bottomline people.
I hate when people hear things and still denies it....it's evidently everywhere...how can people be sooooo blind...well blind people can never see the truth
The problem with this meeting, crime has decreased in the nation as a whole since 1991. Crime has gone down, teen pregnancy, drug use, all of that has decreased since 1991. So I have a hard time believing this.
Nicole Payne I don't argue that at all. For a while police brutality has gone down. BUT over the last 15 years police brutality is up and now it's at all time highs. Since 9-11, those that are not white Americans have been treated as less than. More people have been killed by cops than soldiers in Iraq. So the news media has used these images to fit a narrative. But the actual people are not responding to this narrative.
Randy Lion It's been across the board, but black males are seeing a huge increase in police brutality since Obama has been elected president. It use to be that Latinos and Blacks were close, with Blacks still seeing a bit more police brutality. But over the last 5 years, the violence against black men has gone up to scary high numbers. And since the protest in Ferguson started, brutality against Black men is almost unbelievable.
Well if crime has fallen, so have prison numbers. Which explains why these corporate people wanted to glorify crime through gangster rap/hip-hop. Because as private prison numbers fall, so would the profits of private prisons would too. I don't believe this theory but just telling you that if crime is falling that makes the theory more viable
I haven't read da letter yet but its clear as day I been sayn dis since I was 15 I'm 20 nw music is da only thing da activates both sides of da brain it effects hw ppl walk talk dress jus look @ ur tv listen 2 ur radio dey wnt u 2 blow yo money n flip bricks basically struggle wake up ppl
I don't give a fuck if the letter/meeting was real or not, but social engineering through music is definitely real.
+Kory Kent Then explian to me why Drake is a top selling rap artist with every single damn album and every drill artist is a one hit wonder in their own hood?
***** Drill music is the same way but no one gives a fuck about or buying a lil Bibby or Lil Durk album en-mass So if you ask me, this was one shitty Saturday morning cartoon villain plan we have here.
***** "Have you not seen the rise of incarcerations since the Gangsta rap movement?"
Have you seen the raise in ice cream sales? oh that has nothing to do with anything because causation doesn't equal correlation. Now you want to talk about poverty and incarceration, that is a better correlation than gangsta rap
" This is a well thought out plan which has worked extremely well."
Similar to every other wild-eyed conspiracy, what's the end game.
"People like Lil Durk, Young Thug, Bobby Shmurda are a consequence of that era."
No, they're shitty rappers aiming for the low hanging fruit. Because they lack this thing called talent
***** Dude , I can listen to Gucci Mane and not want to kill anybody or sell drugs and the same can be said about movies but let me not ruin your want to see Captain America this weekend.
"Why would companies like Microsoft invest millions in private prisons?"
What would a multi-billion dollar company that is the second most used OS in the world after Apple, invest in private prison? Show proof or shut up
"The exception is never the rule. You are using a straw man's argument. "
Yet your using the same straw man to support your argument about gangsta leading to prison but you have yet to show any proof of if.
" Proof for Microsoft involvement in private prison is everywhere online but I doubt you really want to learn about it."
Dude I already found and read that link. One the site has a disclaimer saying its not their fault if the information is inaccurate, strike 1. Strike 2, Microsoft is only mentioned once and it doesn't even name them as an investor and Strike 3, it was written by some who is very far left even to me.
1991 is when gangster rap started to dominate & conscious hip hop loss its popularity , i remember , i was there .
I remember too. I was 18-19. My kid was born in '91. I remember a lot of stuff. 😔
Yes Sir with 6 in the Morning that famous line by Ice T
I was a teenager in the 90s. I remember (and I was a huge fan of conscious rap - PE, PRT, KRS, X Clan - and they all disappeared in favor of West Coast gangsta rap)
You just gotta dig harder to find the good stuff. Hospin number 5 is pretty nice and conscious
Damn I was born in 93 lol
Conscious music is missing on the radio in all genres.
+The Realness because people don't buy it or want to hear it. so why is the industry going to dump millions into the stuff if no one is going to buy it.
+Kharmatos13 that's an incorrect statement to say no one will buy it or want to hear it. No one also says music has to be conscious music either. it's called balance which the industry desperately needs.
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@@Kharmatos13 the industry has hypnotised us to want what is pushed. Songs about all sorts of topics can sound good and touch your soul but you will only crave the ones that are played on certain platforms repeatedly.
To hear a song only once and need it just doesn't happen much at all.
As if we only want negative music lol the idea is preposterous! Urban music, particularly young black music, has been stained with negativity on purpose.
Not all genres … hip hop is the one that sticks out the most
Why can't the meeting taking place be true? There are meeting all the time that are held to discuss,plot and design agendas that people in power want to push and accomplish in America and all over the world. I'm more amazed that there is such disbelief that such a meeting could have taken place at all.
RIGHT..smh
I lived in Germany for two years (them ppl know how to riot, btw- they tear the cobblestone out of the street and rain it on Riot Po) and they showed me videos of them protesting the G20 Summit (Bilderberg group). I naively asked why since I thought as a young, American,slightly brainwashed girl countries cooperating was a good thing. Theybexplained to me it was the richest ppl in the world meeting, to figure out how to become more rich and enslave this entire planet. When will we know what to do to fight? Are we already peasants- too weak living paycheck to paycheck?
Meetings take place between people who share a similar agenda. The question: were the music industry and the private prison industry really in the same boat, so that they created this elaborate plan? Possible. I did not do deep research into that field, but it would surely be an elaborate conspiracy.
Another question: if gangster rap had supposedly been forced upon the people by shady business executives to, why are the people so mentally poor and did not properly analyse and reject the negative impact of this genre? I remember Senator Bob Dole and C. Delores Tucker speaking out against gangster rap, but they were ridiculed!
Regarding gangster rap as a form of brain washing to generate delinquents: You can only manipulate people who are very susceptible to manipulation, typically people of low intelligence or low social and mental awareness!
When have we ever been included in important decision making opportunities???
THAT LOUD MOUTH PUNK IS AN AGENT!!!!!!!!
I would say to the Mike guy on this vid: yeah, Ice-T & NWA were out, but remember-they hardly got ANY radio play right?
But once Dr. Dre started Death Row Records-IN '91-gangsta rap blew ALL the other music genres away. Snoop became a household name, and you saw gangsta rap go from little pockets across the country to top of the American mainstream music charts.......
WHY?
Your comment is obvious to anyone with common sense, the Mike guy is an arrogant fool.
Why was public enemy outrightly banned yet nwa were given a platform?
ambeh ak47 Because political hip-hop is more dangerous to the status quo in the minds of racist paper-pushers than gritty stuff that's perceived as glorifying inner city gang life. This was also within twenty years of shit going down with MOVE and the Panthers.
Snoop and Dre sold their souls in one way or the other I'm sure of it.
Around ice t and nwa they was trying to ban it. Technically that shit was underground rap that blow up. Just like today its tons of underground rappers that are still famous they not on the radip but they on everybody's play list . Ww give the system too much credit and we say they are better than they really are. I believe some time in between when gangsta rap was banned to when it was endorsed and when they seen Gangsta rap selling with a ban on it they became open to it for the money. Plus by the late 80s drug crimes was picking up. And they put 2 and 2 together. The same few groups of rich people got a hand in everything so of course they noticed the rap and prison thing.
This topic is way over that brotha head in the video. He may not be in the street enough or something.
Plato
"Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form."
That was by Aristotle. 🫤
The thing feefo was talking about with the judge giving kids time in return for profit was talked about in Michael Moore's documentary, "Capitalism, A Love Story". Fantastic documentary, very eye opening.
I'm looking around at these people on this video and y'all do look kind of young if you wasn't around and I'm talking about a young adult in the '80s you can't very well talk about the change that's happening in the next decade not with all influenced information because you were too busy growing up... so nice try guy guys but go with a subject matter that you were actually there for you know one that you can actually compare to the one before it as well as after it as a real adult. Sounds to me like you just wishing and hoping that is not real instead of looking at the facts and all the evidence come on man up young men!
I am the first male to ever have a Masters in my family. I am setting a trend that will last. Back then it was about having a job. Education was secondary. Now, education is a front runner. It doesn't stop blacks from being incarcerated. It just increases the number of blacks in college. Place side by side it looks great in comparison to the number of incarcerated black males. It's a statistics game they are playing.
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It's a trend, stepping stone from tk to Incarnation.
College educated or penitentiary degree, in all due respect sir a judgmental mental, will see you all as one, one for all, the same.
5:48 The fact that "gangster rap" as a sub-genre had already developed doesn't exclude the possibility that it was deliberately pushed at a later stage.
Earlier on it was just one of many styles of rap, not too significant compared to for example the Native Tongues movement. In the early to mid-1990s period "gangster rap" became dominant and synonymous to the genre as a whole!
Exactly I think it was a push to influence a particular industry in the stock market so certain people could invest money and profit because of pop culture INFLUENCE
Exactly they did what they were hired to do and they do their job well.
Whether theletter is true or not does not matter ad much as how valid the information conveyed is. If the letter is not real, okay....how real are the said results and how real is the evolution of hip-hop aligned with the points made in the letter? This is like the Willie Lynch letter of hip-hop.
Your absolutely right
Perfectly stated! Took the words right outta my mouth. "The Willie Lynch Letter Of Hip-Hop". Some-body came up with something, and it's working!!!
OLDER HEAD HERE,
I remember the videos
played/pushed went from king sun's "Be Black" and Paris' various pro Black songs and other positive gestures in videos such as all the rappers up until like 93 were rocking and repping mad college apparel and the college enrollment numbers reflected that. But then came late 93-early 94. All the videos had every rapper in jail in their videos and life imitates art
Who ever told the story either told the truth,half way the truth,a bit of the truth,and rather it was true or not,this story was obviously put out there to make people think about how screwed up hip hop/rap has become.Definately good dialogue if nothing else.
word someone sent this letter for a reason
We know the reason.
This video is about to be more relevant than it’s ever been
2024 just heard this for the first time today December
It's not about what was done or not, it's about pulling your resources to fix what's going on today.
Fact. But the young Is Pushing Back. We need all ... Boycott You Tube. I'm doing my part next week via Paper Flyers. Lol. They can't stop That!
That one dude obviously doesnt know rap history and historical context. Yeah, NWA and Ice T and Ice Cube came out at that time, but what came during the rest of the 90s? More ghetto crime rap. NWA was unique at that time. Ice T was already doing his thing. Also, don't forget about the censorship movement at the end of the 80s (2 live Crew PMRC) when they lost the censorship battle, next thing to do is control the content for some other "agenda"
Case in point, you don't hear anyone giving props to 80s rappers who were on a positive tip AT ALL anymore. It's like they never existed at all now, according to people to say NWA came out in 88 therefore gangsta rap was already pushed no it wasn't. Things were more anomalous than that. Pre-internet. Go watch old Yo! MTV rap episodes by year and you won't see gangsta rap all over it. Hell, even 2 pac was digital undergrounding it back then.
Rodney King LA riots circa 1992.
Just sayin.
Even pimp c spoke about this
I did a paper that touched on this in '93 based on my own observations while studying the music industry in general. It was for a marketing class at a university in LA. I never understood how we went from Public Enemy in '89 to NWA in 90 until I did that paper. I learned through my research that hits and sales were planned and fabricated. It's about paying DJs, record store shelf space etc. I also learned that old white men were 100% responsible for what got on Black radio. Not sure if this really went down but it is really plausible
Yeah, the shift changed the whole culture of hip- hop, and not in a good way. Whether there is a conspiracy to debase the culture or if it was done purely because it was profitable, the result was not good for the medium. Like it or not, messages in music can effect the minds of youth and when rap stars portray materialism, violence and misogyny in their lyrics than that is an image formed in impressionable minds. Public Enemy and other rap groups of that time held messages of black empowerment, strength and intelligence and as soon as gangsta rap hit the airwaves it was demolished. I'm not saying I don't respect the talent of NWO, Dr.Dre and the other stars who came after, but I think they sold out to make records. Ice T was a really cool cat spreading hip hop in his community with a real positive message until he got on that OG tip and became a rap star. Why'd he have to change his image to succeed? Because that's what record companies wanted.
Is this paper available online or anywhere to read?
Would you be willing to share that paper?
@@evanhall5565 I no logner have the paper but I can tell you this. They decide in a board room what goes platinum before it's even released. During thr CD days they already have the units manufactured, shipped, warehoused and sold to retail stores months ahead of time. The record company would buy back any units that were not sold within a certain period of time. They made deals with radio for airplay which is illegal but it happens. The bottom line is our stars are made for us thus our culture is programmed in us.
@Cee777 to be honest a part of me always knew that was the case. Sad that something so pure as music has been turned inside out.
"Dear Barack,
I know you just a puppet but i'm givin you props
You lyin to the public like it ain't nothin an I just love it I hope it don't stop" -Ab-Soul
I gotta say homeboy with the breads is so slow minded to me my opinion, if he cant see. Plans take time and precision that's why it works. As long as people's minds are like his things like that can work.
He in on it
The breads lmaooo
This meeting is synonymous to the "Willie Lynch Letter". Whether its true (the letter or meeting) the contents within those modes are still holding true to this day.
You tell people the cold hard truth, people won't believe it because it is too much of a culure shock to people's system. So people discount it.
I think the purpose of the letter was to bring awareness to the fact that the private prisons benefit from the negative influence of hip hop/rap music...whether the letter is real or not is not the point.
Feefo was right when he said it would take some time. Look at the artists record labels sign today, then look at all the problems we face today.
When I look up stuff about conspiracy theories, it makes me have to watch my back too much. Thanks guys.
I wish everyone would just be honest with themselves and honest with reality and stop being little punks and admit some fucked up shit goes on in our world! This shit is not just entertainment!!
This is my favorite video by DEHH it went so much beyond hip-hop; it was like watching geniuses discuss the world at large.
"YOU DON'T THINK THEY CAN SEND SOME DAMN X-MEN TYPE ASSASSINS..,YOU DON'T THINK DEADPOOL AND NIGHTCRAWLER COULD BAMF INTO YOUR HOUSE AND GET YOU?!
*deceased*
That shit killed me. XD
I agree with C-Town's theory 100% all the way. Especially, being that the industry had been pushing Reality Rap (Gangsta Rap) for quite sometime
his mustache was bothering me during the entire video
the fact that the real comment has only one like and the faker generation "comment" has 16 says it all.It's your lives after all.
The machinations behind our government have been far beyond our control for many years now. Without total, revolutionary, revolt, nothing will ever change so our generations has adopted an apathy for it.
his mustache was the conspiracy
- Aristotle
Musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who is ill-educated ungraceful.
1994 the Crime bill passed. 1994 Biggie released Ready to Die. From then on the tap game stop playing a De La Soul. Anything positive. The drug dealer game all of a sudden took over the rap game. Then came Jay Z who did nothing but sell the fake it till you make it propaganda.
I agree that many conspiracy theories can come across like theyr just strung together by long strings of speculation and end up sounding wild & unrealistic. But I also believe that if people were given insight into many things that go on and have gone on they may be just as shocked and unwilling to believe
I havent read this letter but as far as the concept goes i have long since believed things like this take place. In theory/principle it seems completely plausible and even likely. opportunity
8:50 - Is on par. When information is getting pushed and accessed, your next tactic is to muddy the information so no one knows what is truth and fact. That way you can be labeled and dismissed as "crazy".
Ponder this, regarding intentionality: Rappers can say the most ignorant and non-life-affirming things about Black people, but the minute Michael Jackson used ONE racial epithet concerning non-black people and they forced him to delete words from a hit song.
Fitted cap is reynolds wrapped, cause I don't trust the gov't.
- Lupe Fiasco
No he isn't by any means. We talk and hang with him all the time. He's a really bright fella as displayed in this video. I felt in putting this together that he would really shine in this one more than he has in the past and he did well. People think it's cool to clown him and are falling into a trend.
Lately in almost every rap song I hear on the radio, its always hear "light skin, red bone, white girl, dark skin" why is this. Why is there this sudden obsession with skin tone of women in hip hop. What is the message they are sending to young girls.....because its working.
Yeah the industry is terrible. I been working as an independent artist for 6 yrs now and I know my ass can rap. Several labels dropped deals with me because I refuse to make more 'sexually explicit' material. It used to bother me but I just pray about it now cuz too many kids have told me my lyrics help them personally. It's like the labels praise you and put you on a pedestal then when it come down to market there's always well you won't sell without an image, ppl wanna hear something sexy -_- I'm not givin up on HipHop tho I feel with the power of Internet ppl can market themselves nowadays But we gotta stop supporting the bs And SEARCH for truth
***** U call women a hoe for not agreeing with u....those white girls are lucky. Im happy for u, now can i move on
***** greeaat bye
dumb bitch
Pepe why u callin yourself a dumb bitch.....ohh..... because u are one
This one of my favourite webisode's, I love these long discussions.
12:42 and I still haven't heard these guys acknowledge the rise of West Coast gangsta rap in the early 90s.
I dont know about today, but in 1998, i was in a prison that held like 1500 ppl. That prison recieved 33k a yr per inmate back then. And that's in Ky. so imagine how much private prisons profit in 2021 in highly populated states like Cali, Ny, or illinois!!
True or not...its happening now for real.
Ikr
Too Short is a True Old School Legend!
In 1989 I was watching
"The Ghetto" By Too Short and
"Nobody Smiling" Rakim
Not openly endorse but it allows it to go on because its an "efficient" system that makes companies/US government tons of cash. And no, very few people know about it inside of the US, inside and outside of hip hop. It's an uncomfortable reality a lot of people don't want to talk about.
I'm 59 and remember the violent rap was out in the mid 80s.
The first rap I heard and others have said Was the first was The Sugarhill Gang. I loved it. It was about 1977.
N.w.a came on the map in 86 dropped the album in 87
I just look at Mykes face the whole way through each episode, it fucking speaks volumes!
a video where Fefoo was actually on point and gave a good response lol
Well, to you guys on the video...my dad was in a similar meeting..I'm a child of the so called radical movement and my father has new interviews coming out "The Hip before the Hop" Regarding the Hip Hop and the Prison industrial system. Check out my dads album in Rolling Stones Magazine "The 40 most Influential albums in the World" the Legendary Watts Prophets Album "Black Voices on the streets of Watts". I believe released 1968. I will keep you guys posted on the new interview coming out...
Deadendhiphop just needs to become a channel about conspiracies. This is the best video.
0:04 That voice crack
Matthias Bangaard Jensen 😂😂😂
You filthy old soomka
I believe a meeting did take place just based on books and interviews from Dr. Francis Cress Welsing. Take a close look at Hip Hop and how it has become very very dark.
Can't listen to the music now the culture of it has change.
Yo Myke C-Town. You have to be able to see the correlation between impressionable youth and gangster rap and how it can help push the agenda for making money off private prisons. You your self in the conversation about hip-hop's responsibility said that children listening to gucci would believe what he is saying and listen to his music as inspiration to carry things out in their own lives. So to make this statement in this video contradicts points you made in others.
To sum it all up: God Bless America!
Certainly believe it, along the same lines, why we dont have another cosby show, different world, or another love jones.
This was probably THE most interesting convo from you guys yet. Keep it up.
I do think that conscious rap is missing in hip hop these days. Music is so powerful that it can subliminally lead people astray, particularly young black and latino because they are only accustomed to this negative toxic rap that's out. The youth really have to be aware of what's going on, globally of the negative portrayal of black people especially through the gise of hip hop.
Exactly. This is one of the most interesting conversations these guys have done so far. Really interesting.
Too Short last street song was "So You Wanna Be A Gangsta"
@kbinge thanks for the shout out/credit at the start of the video sir!
Kanye west mentioned this topic on the breakfast club interview on the first time he went.
Profit motive only matters. Gangsta rap (bling or drill era), emo rap (soundcloud era), pop rap (Lupe's Lasers album, Macklemore, etc.), they'll hop on those trends.
Do recall what time period in Rome's history the Gladiator fights were the most popular?
.....Doesn't it coincide with whats going on in America and the world as a whole right now?
Considering what happened in 2020 with the world and rap music .. this post seems to be pretty prophetic LOL
Very smart brothers, a unique segment indeed. I really enjoyed watching this. Keep it up fellas.
To fill their prisons! Damn straight. There were plenty of videos on this a decade ago on here!!!
great discussion. i want y'all to do a discussion on the illuminati and hip hop
This letter is as real as corn being in your shit after a good Sunday dinner 😂😭
So entirely true? Proof is in the pudding
Krazie Bone gave a first hand account of this meeting
I remember the shift because I went from loving rap to hating it. Who wants to hear about dealing and b-itches aint sh.. but H_es and Tricks all day everyday. Here it is 20 years later and mofos STILL talking about being a BOSS and birds and not one person can point to a real success story for this lifestyle yet its still being talked about like its all good in the hood. Imagine the difference pushing EDUCATION of self would have made. All those rappers got pushed to the back for a reason.
I love this type of ish. People critically breaking down facts from fiction, from what is known to what is possible. Keep it up guys. I know personally how easy it is for a minority to go to jail in urban areas. The prison institution is possible, though I personally think it goes way beyond just the prison's. @mykectown you really couldn't have put it better, sensationalised conspiracy theories really do fuck up the credibility of other ones that are close if not dead-center to the truth.
Yeah this Mike Guy is obviously a youngster. Grammar errors? Ok what ever. Gangster rap was not on the radio then. It was underground. X Clan, public enemy, Native Tongue, Def Jeff, Brand Nubian and the whole Afrocentric black college vibe was ruling. NWA, DJ Quik, etc...took off in ‘91. Deep cover was the song that changes it all!
This was one of your better webisodes guys. Respect.
Social engineering that is possible.. but $ that is what makes the world go round,
Some prisons are leased out by the government to private groups. Government gets money up front and prisons make their money
2pac signed to interscope in 91.
MORE DISCUSSIONS ON CONSPIRACY THEORIES. Very interesting
This shit is nonsense. Can my people stop with the fucking excuses and take responsibility for what goes on in our communities??? Does the music we listen to completely dictate our lives? Can we not make our own choices???
apparently not every young boy and some men got a rapper they idolize... and try to emulate... all these young black men yelling they a thug rl thugs get pissed when you call them thugs we celebrate the most ignorant shit and ppl yes... we gullible and cant think for ourselves half of us waiting for jesus christ king of the zombies to rescue us the other half waiting for the next malcolm x or martin luther king jr.
I wish white people would take responsibility
im not for all the excuses but rap music has told people how to dress what to say what type of sneakers to wear whats in and whats not in,all from hiphop from clothes to slangs and of course attitude in situations ,so yes we make our own choices but the television and radio are very powerful tools in swaying that choice your gonna make
veksone77 you try fixing 50 states full of chaos fool
veksone77
Whether the letter is real or not the agenda is very clear. Scientifically music affects a mind set. Video and music molds children especially those who lack guidance. If I’m a music executive and I have stocks in private jails why not fill in the gap. None the less, there is a reason why they push certain artist in their rosters and why their messages are more degrading.
THEY BEEN IN CONTROL THE MUSIC INDUSTRY!
The guy from "Europe" who quit his job was probably not giving his true location due to the very issue of being identified. Fellas, y'all gotta learn to chew the meat and spit out the bones. The Message of the letter is what was important. Forget the messenger, just get the dag gum Message!
Father I pray that they turn these prisons into trade schools and free colleges. Nothing is impossible for the Lord! In Jesus name amen 🙏
The same issue people had w/the "Willy Lynch Letters" All of sudden being discovered and revealed over several years.
These dudes are clowns/ puppets. This happened, is happening w/ pop and other genres as well. Movies, film, music, all industries. What would you sell your soul for or have sold it for already?
💯
Awesome discussion guys! Great episode
record companies always try to push artist to make music that sells if political rap like public enemy started to sell again record companies would be pushing artist to make fight the power type records again but to be honest i think with this day n age especially here in uk record companies are starting to loose control with more and more artist taking the independent route instead of letting record companies control what we hear
Notice how the youngest guy is trying to explain their logic or theory to people that lived through it. Instead of listening and learning he thinks he can just call those people wrong
mike c dont get it cuz he cant relate to the music...there are some kids that really follow and act out cuz of music.......
This is one of your best videos so far. After reading the letter myself I do find it all a bit too far fetched. I would like to believe that stuff like this doesn't go on, but unfortunately I think these kind of meetings do take place, just not to the extreme that this letter describes.
EVERYBODY GO LISTEN TO THE LOUIS FARRAKHAN BREAKFAST CLUB INTERVIEW. TALKS ABOUT THIS MEETING AT 32:00
Can't believe its been 8 years since I first watched this. Do you have any follow-up information, like who were the industry moguls at the meeting that complied with letter?
Socially conscious rap was becoming mainstream amongst urban ppl in the 80's..I'm pretty sure the Secret Society wasn't feelin' that. So the ceo's pushed the more ignorant gangsta, coke,junkie rockstar rap thru the 90's and now. More influence on naive young urban folks surrounded by the settings explained in the songs. Big business over hip hop would rather you succumb to your environment than overcome it. Bottomline people.
Interesting convo! It was enlightening to hear your smart point of views!!
I hate when people hear things and still denies it....it's evidently everywhere...how can people be sooooo blind...well blind people can never see the truth
the white system want black people either in jail or gay...it's an attack on our race...
Need more convos like this..
Nightcrawler..."BAMPF" good ish
Beezy's air quotes are classic!
The problem with this meeting, crime has decreased in the nation as a whole since 1991. Crime has gone down, teen pregnancy, drug use, all of that has decreased since 1991. So I have a hard time believing this.
Crime has gone down but police violence, up. When they want you, they will fabricate a reason to justify it.
Nicole Payne I don't argue that at all. For a while police brutality has gone down. BUT over the last 15 years police brutality is up and now it's at all time highs. Since 9-11, those that are not white Americans have been treated as less than. More people have been killed by cops than soldiers in Iraq. So the news media has used these images to fit a narrative. But the actual people are not responding to this narrative.
martyc909 black males
Randy Lion It's been across the board, but black males are seeing a huge increase in police brutality since Obama has been elected president. It use to be that Latinos and Blacks were close, with Blacks still seeing a bit more police brutality. But over the last 5 years, the violence against black men has gone up to scary high numbers. And since the protest in Ferguson started, brutality against Black men is almost unbelievable.
Well if crime has fallen, so have prison numbers. Which explains why these corporate people wanted to glorify crime through gangster rap/hip-hop. Because as private prison numbers fall, so would the profits of private prisons would too. I don't believe this theory but just telling you that if crime is falling that makes the theory more viable
Can I just say that was the best video intro ever..
Bob barker. Just about everything in private prisons in the 90 was sold under bob barker. Aye...the price was right.
You are so correct! His price was right....making millions from the PIPC!
I haven't read da letter yet but its clear as day I been sayn dis since I was 15 I'm 20 nw music is da only thing da activates both sides of da brain it effects hw ppl walk talk dress jus look @ ur tv listen 2 ur radio dey wnt u 2 blow yo money n flip bricks basically struggle wake up ppl
i hear a nujabes song in the background near the end =p