Awesome video man! Just a quick additional tip, in case someone hasn't already posted this. If you're using a DAW like Logic Pro X, you may be a bit confused not seeing the inputs labeled as "Loop 1" and "Loop 2" as it was in this video. In that case, the naming convention for the Loopback inputs is as follows: 4i4 -> Inputs 5 & 6 8i6 -> Inputs 9 & 10 18i8 -> Inputs 11 & 12 Hope that saves someone the time of cycling through all the inputs
I'm getting this primarily for 4 outputs. I use interfaces for recording & mixing purposes and doing an a/b with 2 studio monitors as well as having the headphone out in the front would really give great sound perspective with 3 different mediums
Thanks, Curtis. I think between those that cover interfaces here on UA-cam, all the specs and considerations a pretty well covered. It's a pretty cool time if you're into gear, you can really see the details before you buy. Of course there's a flip side to that LOL.
I agree 100% about the hardware buttons, and especially the direct monitor input/playback mix knob. I really love the hardware button/knobs layout of the 2i4 in general, but the software for this thing has just been crap for me for a LONG time now. It used to happen like once a day- I'd come back to my daw (still open from previous session) the next day and I'd get no audio and have to deselect/reselect the device. I finally upgraded drivers and now the whole driver is crashing like every 15 minutes... I can tell the driver is crashed because the device doesn't show up in OS devices when it happens. I have to unplug/replug it in. Anyone know a good audio interface with a similar hardware layout to 1st gen 2i4, but actually stable and works without having to restart it all the time. I don't care about going cheap anymore just want something dependable!
Thank you for the review Ray, specifically on the headphone listening part where its output assignment is software controlled and no more the front switch/dial...what a hustle !! I buy stuff like this for my 18 years old daughter and she ended up asking me why there is no audio on the headphone ....LOL. I just got 4i4 for her last night. Just in case any parents here in the shoe as mine, or those wanting to set up recording system for personal use, here is my own limited experience : It all started in 2013. My daughter has a Yamaha keyboard, so that is 2 output, it has L/R channels. She has an acoustic guitar , so I got her a AKG CS1000 48V condenser mic. This can be a 3rd channel for vocal or guitar. She sings, for her vocal I got her Audio Technica AT2035, 48V condenser mic, so this is a 4th channel. Earlier, I also got her 3 of Shure Beta 58A dynamic mics, this is before I understood a proper vocal mic in a quiet room is a condenser type...LOL. She sometime sings with her 2 friends, so 3 dynamic mics needed. I was and still is in many ways an analog guy for audio mixing, so after a failed attempt with a Steinberg UR-28 when my daughter was still 13 years old back then , as I was ( and still is ) a DAW stupid :) ...... I ended up with analog SoundCraft EPM6 and send its recording to a Zoom H4N. I was avoiding laptop based DAW as much as I can....ha ha ha. She needs the Zoom H4N anyway for outdoor recording when the need arise. In late 2015 , I bought her a Tascam PortaStudio : tascam.com/us/product/dp-24sd/top to ease the mixing with near DAW like performance but without the Laptop/PC requirement. I really like this unit, easy to use and very capable. I am my daughter's "audio hardware engineer" so to speak, so I must choose a hardware I can teach her to operate. Being an old analog guy, I am very very happy with this Tascam real physical multi buttons and sliders and paired with super easy to use Vegas Pro video editor which is good for its audio capability and my daughter does not touch up her audio much anyway, its more than enough. She was already able to use Vegas Pro since she was 13 years old. I am a happy Daddy since 2015, as far as my daughter not bugging me on audio and video edit matters...LOL. Come few days ago. She was recording with a friend who uses Scarlett 2i2 gen 2. First thing she said was : "Dad, its easy to use , I can visually see the audio track in real time during a recording." I agree with her, in her Tascam she can in real time hear the audio track but can't see it visually. She has to export the audio file from Tascam to Vegas Pro for final edit into MP3 or whatever she likes the audio format to be. But what I like about the Tascam is , no lag when mixing playback audio of her keyboard playback or guitar playback when she wanted to add her vocal later on. The simplified sync timing between playback source to new vocal is also what I like about the Tascam PortaStudio. In my country the Tascam DP-24 cost about 2.5 times what I paid for 4i4, but the Tascam DP-24 has 8 physical XLR/TRS combo input and I think in Scarlet series it will be the much bigger Scarlet units like 18i20 ...yes ? I initially wanted the 18i8 instead, so that if I buy her another condenser mic, becoming 3 units, I got 4 channels of 48V phantom power ready and 18i8 has the twin headphone outputs. Now I am using 4 channels output headphone amplifier to assist her Tascam DP-24 for 3 person use. After some thinking, she probably will use the Scarlet as portable unit in her friend's place, so I stick with 4i4. Let see in a few months, how she finds the Scarlet 4i4 vs her Tascam DP-24 for 4 channels use. :) BTW, Scarlet user manual called Direct Monitoring as Direct Routing ..dang. It may confuse some people. Once again, thank you Ray for the review. .
Ray, I have seen issues with these 4i4 only lasting about 1 to 2 years.. seems like there a problem with USB Controller chip.. They burn out and you have to get the unit replaced... I currently experienced this problem... and have multiple friends that I have recommended the 4i4 and now worried theirs will fail too.. "Search for 4i4 no hardware connected" issue
It's a real pain to use the 4i4 Gen3 software mixer control. It's a horribly designed interface. I can never make sense of it, and I'm fairly experienced. Even if it that interface was nicely designed, I've really grown to hate this box because I can't just control a hardware knob/button to do what I want. And if I want to use it on a Linux machine, forget it. Yeah, it works, if you set up the software mix before using it on Linux.
Good review, although it definitely comes from a podcaster's point of view. You could say (and I think you did) i'd keep the one I have. Someone looking to use it in music applications would be more positive. The reason is the 4i4 has nice features over the 2i2 and 2i4 which would be important for musician applications, such as the additional channels, the software control which gives more flexible routing options and adding MIDI interfaces which allows capturing events for music keyboards, pads, controllers into the DAW and can be used for output of recorded data to those devices and even control lighting. Unfortunately, since a podcaster mostly doesn't really have a need for those features they are not mentioned as anything special. So, the viewer watching, which would be unfamiliar with these uses for music production, may not get a full appreciation of the device. Moving some functionality from physical switches to software may not be such a problem for musician applications, since most of the time is spent in the computer interface and other features gained make up for that loss.
If this applies to your situation; I changed from the Scarlett 2i4 to Scarlett 4i4. I had the Shure SM7B microphone plugged in, with a separate TritonAudio Fethead Mic Preamp. I had to remove the Fethead Mic Preamp to make it work with the new Scarlett 4i4. It's mentioned on the Focusrite website that the 3rd gen has an upgraged mic preamp, which is maybe why the internal built-in preamp in the audio interface with the external Fethead preamp combined doesn't work.
Good informative review. Thanks for posting. I agree that taking away the front panel switches is a BIG loss of functionality when comparing 2i4 vs 4i4. Unfortunately My 2i4 is bricked so I'm truly stuck!
Great review! Thanks. I am so glad you mentioned the differences between the 2i4 and 4i4. The removing knobs and converting them to software control stuff is a fail as far as I am concerned. The one thing engineers don't understand is that for creative purposes, musicians like to operate on-the-fly and not be hampered with software mazes.
Thanks. For what it's worth, I never went back to the 2i4. I definitely prefer hardware controls but I've been getting along with the 4i4 just fine and it's a great device. I'd still vote to put knobs back on ;)
I own both the 212 and the 414. I thought the 414 upgrade would, as the advertisement said on the website. Give me 4 input's and more clear head room for recording and or live streams. It turns out the 414 actually has a bug for windows 10, pro, or higher and for what ever reason is way quieter then the 212. This is during recordings and live streaming. Second of all this is not a simple 4 input interface, which I learned the hard way. The front inputs are pre amped and the back 3, 4 are not. So now I own both devices and am scratching my head wondering -212-414 ? lol
Bummer about the bug on Win. Maybe sell both and use the money for one that works well with your system. Hope you find a solution for one audio interface!
Great video! Awesome material per usual. Was hoping you could assist with a couple questions. If I want to use the 4i4 as an interface into the DAW (audacity) and then try to have a back up recording at the same time, connecting the 4i4 to a zoom h6 or something of that nature, is this doable? I'd like to be able to have a second option in case the software goes down - so if I had two on site hosts, I would plug in the 2 xlr cables to the 4i4, usb to the computer, and then what would be needed to connect to the zoom H6 and would it be the computer or the 4i4 going to the H6? Also, would I still be able to have multi-track with the back up recording in this case on the sd card?
Thanks for your review. I agree that the direct line input is a real game changer when the choice time is coming, and I'm in this situation :) One one a main remaining question I have is about ADAT & SPDIF, are they able to work at the same time ? Thanks again
Thanks for the review! I think just because of it missing all the useful hardware buttons, i'll not get it. Instead i'm looking at a used 2i4 or a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 MK2.
What's even worse is that there is no clear way in the control software to turn up and down the direct monitor as it becomes a lot more obscure with the different options in it. For those of you looking for the solution to this, go to "Output Routing" in the Focusrite Control Software and set all outputs to "Playback 1-2".
Coming from a 2nd gen 2i2, I was considering upgrading to a 4i4 because having the extra 2 inputs (even if those are 1/4" only) would be super-helpful. The only reason I haven't done it yet is because of the direct monitor switch, as you said. Thanks for explaining just how inconvenient not having the physical direct monitor switch is. It has solidified my decision NOT to get a 2i4. With that said, is there another interface you can recommend that has at least two combo jacks, 2 additional instrument jacks and a physical direct monitor switch/button?
My dad has been super into music and music production his whole life but has also been super cheap. Because of this he has never owned a proper audio interface. I would like to buy him a good audio interface for his birthday. He sings, plays both electric and acoustic guitar, bass, synthesizer, and a few brass instruments. He also has a couple guys that together run a bit of a hobby band and would like to do some recording and so would want to record a few instruments at a time. My mom wants to surprise him with a proper studio in his office. Is this the interface for him or should I look for something else?
Sounds like a great gift. This interface is probably not enough channels for him if he wants to include a band with all instruments recorded at the same time. He'll probably need more inputs like on this Focusrite amzn.to/38jEG0g (affiliate link) but it depends on how many instruments and microphones he is trying to record at the same time as well as if those instruments are going through amps or directly into the interface. Behringer also as a decent line of interfaces that could save you some money amzn.to/39lpK1S
Hey buddy, great review, I had a really unique use for this - I won't get too much into it, and I'm not sure if you're familiar with Logic Pro x but basically, on the 2i2 1st gen, you can select your output to be between mono 1 and 2 (as well as Stereo 1+2 of course, but for my purpose im looking at the mono). With the 4i4 would there be output 1-4 on the DAW, as well as Stereo 1+2 / 3+4 - Long story short, im routing these outputs to my mixer and im going to need 3 mono outputs to get what I need out of it. Are you able to check this some how?
great vid, I learned the differences. My only question is, how does the sound quality fair in comparison between the 2nd/3rd, does the new preamps make a difference?
Thanks. I would say they are the same. In theory the preamps are supposed to be a little better but I would not say there is a noticeable difference. All versions do a good job equally from my experience aka you could save some money by getting a 2i2 even the 3rd gen if you didn't need the extra Line Ins in the back or the Loopback feature amzn.to/2MfNJq8 (affiliate link)
Thanks for the review, I was wondering could I use this to record audio from a Yamaha MX88 keyboard via inputs 3 & 4 while simultaneously recording midi from it?
I agree about the monitor level knob. I don't understand this trend to remove buttons and knobs and make everything tiny. Software has always been unreliable. Buttons and cables rarely fail me. I can see the use in having the software as a back-up, but it's not like I want my interface to be small enough to fit in my pocket, so I don't see the point in sacrificing essentials. Maybe it's just me, but the loss of those controls is a deal breaker.
Thanks for sharing! I am a musician and my old lexicon omega stopped working with Reaper. Was just gonna go for the 2i2 but I am thinking for a few more bucks I would benefit from the 4i4. Newbie here so I will be watching alot of your videos. Subscribed!
Hello, I have a problem. I have connected my Focusrite 4i4 to the studio monitors (KRK Rokit 6), and it works perfectly, but I can't turn the volume up or down with the volume button on my device as well as the headphones volume button. How can I fix this problem? Thank you so much for your attention and cooperation in advance.
I have the same monitors. Not sure if I understand correctly but the monitor volume and headphone volume each have their own volume knob so you have to adjust each accordingly.
Thank you so much for the tutorial. So I can hook up 4 of my instruments to this device via 1/4'' jacks and get 2 stereo outputs to headphones simultaneously, right? Cheers
Thanks Ray for the informative video! I liked and subbed! I'm receiving my Scarlett 4i4 3rd Gen mixer soon, can't wait to try out the LoopBack function!
I do have one question. Some UA-cam reviews criticize the Focusrite Scarlett mixer for their lack of decent visual display of levels/gain compared to other brands. For example, on other brands of mixers, there is an LCD display that shows vertical bars for levels/gains to better see if audio is peaking/clipping. Do you find this to be an issue for lack of a decent visual display on the Scarlett? Sorry if I'm not asking the question clearly.
Great in depth review. Thanks Ray! The look and feel of this solid slab is impressive. The red anodized aluminum housing speaks of the quality inside. The Popularity is of no wonder. I was fortunate to pick up a used 4i4 3rd gen still in the box. No bundled software key, so at a great price. I have migrated to Linux so I did not need it. Linux is not supported by Focusrite, but if they made this interface fully Class Compliant, there should be no issues. However... There is one issue that I need to resolve and that is what how to switch input modes (INSTR,AIR,...) and toggle direct monitoring, just like the Focusrite Windows and Mac software does. For the routing and mixing, Jack, Alsa and my Daw is so open and flexible that the interface should be exploitable to it's fullest in Linux. Any suggestions about this?
Thanks, Dino. You're out of my pay grade so I can't say unfortunately. I didn't know there were hot keys but that would be great. I'm sure you've plumbed the depths of the internet forums but if not there might be some gold in there. Let me know if you find out!
Hi Ray, My name is actually Paul ;-) Linux is far from user friendliness, more into hacker territory I guess. There Is so much to learn and I am only starting... Before going any further, I downloaded the windows drivers to test this used card out fully. I also found a free windows software that can monitor all USB activity between software and hardware.; commands, reponses, data flow. Maybe I can map out the Focusrite protocol. Select AIR on input 1, the software sends _______? The next step would be to write setup scripts in the Jack software that manages audio in Linux. There can be several, one for each audio routing and hardware setting (ie: vocal Air 1 with guitar on 2 with direct monitoring). Basically I must reproduce the functionality of the Focusrite control software in Linux. Most of the routing that the Focusrite software does is already available in Jack, hence it's name. That, from what I gather, is the power of Linux. Steep learning curve but powerful as sin. Apart from breathing 10 years of life back into an old laptop that can no longer even boot tge retiring windows 7-64Pro, boots in a flash, is also 64 bit, lightning fast and stable. Yup, it' that lean, maybe 75% less overhead, hard to believe actually. You have All the aps you need, all free, and no security issues, you dont even need an antivirus. I think that it is worth learning. And if I get tge 4i4 running sweet, I will share.
Before you buy: Be aware of the fact that there is no hardware or software preamp (line 3+4) for anything you plug into the back of the 4i4. Drove me nuts.
Thanks, I talk about that at :40 when I mention the TRS line inputs. Also there is no line 5/6, just 3/4. For someone new to audio, I could have done a better job explaining exactly what line inputs are vs mic. inputs, so I will work that into future videos. Stay well.
I’m going to order one tomorrow. Thanks for the breakdown. Do you think a Rode NTG3 mic will be an ok option for podcasting? I already own one for my videography work.
Ray, thanks for the great video! Had same issue with 4i4 3rd gen and problem you described with first input channel. Have solved this on Windows System recently (don't have any Mac nearby unfortunately). There's beta drivers on website beta.focusrite.com/ - you'll find out "Focusrite USB2 Drivers 4.64.15" news record and download link there. It was published on 18th November 2019 From changelog: - Added multichannel WDM support (surround sound) - Added multiple WDM inputs and outputs With old stable driver I've had only 2 devices: Input Focusrite USB and Output Focusrite USB I upgraded to latest BETA driver from Focusrite and now multiple input and output devices are available: 1) Output: Focusrite USB Speakers 2) Output: Playback 3+4 3) Input: Analogue 1+2 4) Input: Analogue 3+4 5) Input: Loopback L+R Now I can send my DAW (in ASIO mode) output to WDM Skype input by selecting "Loopback L+R" as input device! Interesting that Focusrite never mentioned this solution Welcome to use and share this information!
Losing the front panel buttons and knobs is enough to put me off this model. I’d find that really annoying to have to keep switching between software to make those adjustments.
Tough to say cause it's subjective. I actually just got these headphones and my main interface is now the Rodecaster Pro and I need to use the digital boost. The 4i4 can push them when I turn it all the way up and it's clean but it feels like it's on the edge of not being enough but again depends on your ears. You might also be able to boost some in the software but again I'd say for me it's close to not enough, I've heard other say it's enough.
In windows, you have to right-click the Focusrite icon down in the activity field and choose "Expose / Hide Windows Channels" and check Loopback to make it visible in apps. How do I do this on a mac? The loopback 5&6 are not showing up in my audio apps. I have routed it correctly in Focusrite Control just like in this video. I have a 4i4
That's not all. Max impute way better. Dynamic range, Gain area in bumped up, on all inputs. Especially Mic! So it's not just a input amount upgrade.Its sound, headphones, monitors, line/XLR, inputs much better. That's the key to me.
Thank you for your wonderful review! Can I ask you a question? What happens if you change the setting of the device in the control software (the direct/playback mix, for example) and you turn your computer off? Is the new setting kept in the device when you turn it on again? Or maybe all the setting go to a default configuration everytime the device or PC turns on again? (I don't know if I am explaining myself correctly)
Great review my man. Super detailed and thorough. Unfortunately, I need the midi, but I agree that the front controls are preferable in the 2i2 I own! Thank you!
Hi Ray! Thank you so much for this awesome review ... would you be so kind if I could borrow a moment of your time to ask you a quick question? On the Focusrite Scarlett 4i4, can you plug two XLR Microphone Cables on the front and two Guitar quarter-inch cable on the back "Line Inputs"? I would truly truly greatly appreciate your response ... Thank you so much!
Thanks for this video, Ray! I picked up the 4i4 primarily for the Loopback functionality for podcasting. I record a podcast that is 2 in studio mono mics and 1 Skype caller. I use Logic ProX and I'm having some confusion on how to set the Loopback input in Logic for the Skype call. In your example, Audition recognizes the Loopback input and you assign it. In Logic ProX the inputs are simply listed 1, 2, 3...Is there a rule of thumb for knowing which input to set for the Loopback?
Thank you for this video, it really helped me but I had a question; Can I make a bridge of output 3 and 4 with software for connecting to an active subwoofer? I'm a DJ and normally I do these actions with mixers and power mixers and amplifiers but for my home studio, I wanna something near like clubs. How much freedom do I have in the audio interface compared to the mixer? I know the live performance equipment is different.
Hi Ray, im fairly new to this stuff, mostly did audio recording and then send it away to be mixed. Im starting to do and enjoy lots more privet content (with video and voiceover) and am starting to get the appropriate gear to mix it myself. but would you suggest getting the 4i4 3rd Gen vs 2i2 3rd Gen for a 60 euro price difference? (229 vs 169 euro). For now ill be using monitor headphone + 2 monitor speakers and ofcourse a mic. I don want to look in to podcasting and streaming in the future.
Thx! Now, if you can get Motu to send you a M4 for review..:) In the next few months, when I get a USB interface, I'll likely choose between the Motu M4 and the Scarlett 4i4. The Motu has brilliant LEDs up front that show you your music input level. But it is the quality of the MIC PREAMPS that I really am fussy about! One thing about this Scarlett: if I want to record a stereo track along with a Vocal and Line input, I'll have to use both 3 and 4 inputs together...I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I mean, are 3 and 4 TRS inputs or TS inputs?j)
Yo Ray I have a question I desperately need answered, I'm looking into recording songs and podcasts with a 4i4 interface but I have an issue with getting my voice across loud enough to be heard, do I need to use a preamp or do I just need a better mic
Hi. Bit of a late reply but I did just this very thing a few weeks ago for recording drums. The only issue you will run into is that you need some sort of pre-amp for the line inputs at the back. Luckily I was gifted a vocal rack pre-amp years ago and our problem was solved. The 4i4 is amazing 👌
Question: Wouldn’t plugging outboard gear such as a preamp/compressor into the front combo jacks be a bad idea since the signal would be colored by the focusrite’s preamps?
I don't notice any 'coloring' from the preamp but I'm sure it's a possibility. If you have a way to interface an outboard preamp/compressor without going to an interface like an onboard soundcard with line level input than that's an option but having a multichannel interface provides more flexibility in your setup and it sounds great IMO. Thanks for watching.
This great. Question I am a music accompanist for a University Dance Department. I am considering loopback feature as part of my remote set up. Will it work with a live set up from Accompanist(me) to Choreographer ( from home) to students ( from home) I would have the choreographer on loopback and assign her a track on my pro tools? Will it eliminate a break up of audio during a "live" session while I am recording through Pro Tools? As you know, as soon as the choreographer speaks, it breaks up the music sound a bit without loopback. Can it be done live or is it only for recordings?
Ray, I'm going to do a video on my new Motu 8Pre ES and configuring it for mix minus with software, more for my own reference and to maybe help others. But before I do that, I'm doing a 5 minute video on mix minus with mixer showing, and I plan to put links to your videos for best explanations. Mine is just to lead into my Motu explanation, showing what I'm doing with mixer in software. My question is in this loopback. I'm old school purist who I am taking friend's time to be guests on a video, I don't rely on software and a PC only, and the Motu gives me easy ability to also send analog out to 8 outputs so that I can record to my Zoom recorder too. As you describe this video, the loopback feature of this hardware is really only utilized through the software, as you showed in this video. Is that correct? In other words, the loopback feature of a AI like this Scarlett gives you more possibilities in the DAW and what you're recording there. It has no affect to analog outs etc? (I always say it.. buy you're the best!!!)
I was reading more, and it's all in the control software and/or firmware of the audio interface. Reading about loopback, it says, "Here’s a cool feature found on certain Focusrite audio interfaces: a loopback input. This is an input found in the MixControl audio interface routing software that allows audio to be routed from any program in the computer into a DAW on the same computer. It’s a very handy tool to have around for capturing audio from standalone virtual instruments and other sources". So it changes nothing on the hardware, just helps in how the control program works with DAW. Do you see it the same? I'm a software guy for 35 years, so I am very analytical on this stuff.
Thanks for the links! As far as I know, you have it right. It's taking whatever is coming into the USB from your computer and allow you to route that into your DAW, I don't think there is any routing for the analog outputs, that said, whatever is coming from your computer via USB should already route to the outputs so I'm not sure how it would be used. Good luck with your vid, the Motu sounds awesome, I'll have to take a look at it.
nice. how do you suggest I use loopback for a virtual live Dance Class? I heard it is possible with my 4i4. It sounds fine without it but I want a better quality. I am the music accompanist working remotely for a University Dance Class. Please advise. Pro Tools is my DAW and I use a stereo Synth and 1 vocal mic.
With 2nd gen, I plug my LP player into the 2 front xlr ports and balance the mix with the direct monitor dial. On that 3rd gen, it's nice you have the balanced inputs on the back, which seems like it would also work for lp player?
Hi Ray! Will this model be able to let me plug in my piano keyboard and studio monitors at the same time? What cords do I need to plug in my keyboard? Thanks!
Hi, maybe you can help with this? I'd like to stream live using my DAW as a mixer (for the reverbs and compressors). Basically send what I hear in my headphones out to OBS. Normally, using my audio interface (Apogee Ensemble) as the audio source in OBS or FB live does not work for playing the DAW audio. It only plays whatever mics I have plugged into the interface. My current solution is to take my headphone out of my Ensemble interface, and send that to a 2nd USB audio interface, and use that as the audio source in OBS. Do you think this new "Loopback" functionality in the Scarlett can eliminate the need for a 2nd audio interface? My method is great, but not ideal. Any sounds coming through my headphones goes through the stream. I just want to make an audio interface send out ONLY DAW audio for streaming, while still using that audio interface to monitor everything happening on my computer. It's quite the headache to do what seems so simple. Thanks in advance.
Bzzzzt! Contrary to this vid ... the 2i2 didn't have loopback. I bought my 2i2 3rd gen in January 2020 ... No loopback, and focusrite even says loopback doesn't start until the 4i4 model.
Focusrite labels their devices as class compliant so I’m wondering if they have a focusrite control app for iPad. Else how so u select between lime and instrument when using with an iPad ?
@@RayOrtega I went to check on their website and it says “The Focusrite Control iOS app allows you to remotely control your interface from your iOS device, only when the interface is physically connected to your Windows or Mac computer.” But thanks for your video. I’ll stick with the 2i2 for now. I can always upgrade in future when I get a computer. 👍🏽
Can I have a 3 person podcast setup with the 4i4? There are only 2 XLR inputs but there are the 2 inputs on back. Could I put a mic into the line input?
If you use a dbx286s, would you want to use the line in on the back in order to bypass the Focusrite preamp? I'm wondering if that would be cleaner than using the dbx preamp and sending the dbx output into the Focusrite preamp.
Thank you for your review! Is it possible to plug in two XLR inputs (1 stereo mic) and one instrument into this device? Meaning will I be able to plug in a guitar with a 6.3 mm cable into the line inputs in the back?
But essentially I could have 2 - external preamps that I route into the rear panel and plug a mic into those and then be able to have 4 simultaneous channels of audio recording in a bus powered interface correct? Or, if I had 2 instruments with active pickups?
People on Skype wont hear themselves, that's cool BUT! will they hear the other sounds coming from the computer like UA-cam videos being commented on or music, sfx, etc.?
Hi, very good job tnks a lots. But does it mean thar 4i4 has his own control software to download? Just like for focusrite 4pre, 18i6, 6i6, 8i6. Tnks pls reply help me.🙏🙏
I heard somewhere the 4i4 would also work as a regular preamp (powered by regular usb-charger, but the 2i2 would not. Is this something you know about? Thanks!
Hi Ray, thanks for the video. I am a Dj looking to upgrade from my Native Instruments Audio 4. I feel the new Audio 6 feels 'lightweight' and am looking for something a bit more sturdy. Can this be used to run with Virtual DJ?
@@RayOrtega Hi Ray - thanks for taking the time to reply. I was able to get it to work with Focusrite Control Panel and VDJ settings. Its pretty confusing, but worth the time as now I can cue in VDJ for my live sets. Cheers.
@@frankierodriguez5620 Glad you got working! The Control app is not the most intuitive as you mentioned but cool that you got it working and it does what you need now. Have fun.
It's 'class compliant' so it should be able to work, more info support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/115005430409-Can-I-use-my-bus-powered-Scarlett-with-an-iPad-
Ray Ortega no! It absolutely doesn’t work. All of the features like direct monitoring and switching line inputs only works on the pc software. The control center app only communicates with the pc software. To make matters worse the MIDI doesn’t work w/o the software! Such wasted potential.
I'd be glad if you could answer The new one has 4 inputs, can you record for example 2 voices, a guitar and a bass playing at the same time in 4 separate tracks?
in your opinion, beside the 4 inputs in 4i4, is Steinberg UR22C comparable or better over focuriste 4i4? in terms of easy plug and play, setup and functions and features.
This may be a dumb question. I want to use my Shure SM7B and Focusrite 4i4 on my stream. The mic input into my computer via USB-c is left channel only. Do I just need to make everything mono to make it work successfully? Thanks!
i know it's been 11 months, but this is for everyone else who has this problem as well. if you only hear your microphone in the left channel, it's because a lot of programs are expecting a stereo audio signal. each input in your interface is a mono signal, so since the computer is expecting a stereo signal, it will automatically select channel 1 to be the left and channel 2 as the right. in most streaming programs, you'll be able to 'downmix to mono' to fix the problem, or just create a new mono input.
Hi ! Is the Scarlett 4i4 headphones output loud enough for a Beyerdynamic DT 770 80 ohms or do i need to choose another interface in the Focusrite offer (Clarett) to get a better headphone level ? Thx for your answer. Franck.
Alcaraz Franck from what I’ve seen these interfaces have enough clean gain to properly amplify a DT770 250ohm. So, your 80ohm version should be no problem.
Sorry for the noob question, but I'm looking to buy our first audio interface, and I'd like to record 2 microphone and 2 guitar inputs at once, is this achieveable with this one? I got a bit confused when he said we can't plug 4 things at once.
Hey Ray I’m new on your channel, I really like your videos ,very good tutorials ,I have a 8i6 3gen ,i just want to know why I can hear any sound on my headphones ? ,this focusrite control may me crazy ...
Thanks for watching. It's hard to say why you're not getting sound. The Control app is definitely not the most intuitive, try sending a message to Focusrite and maybe they can walk you through the issue, might try twitter DM to see if you get faster response.
Thanks anyway Ray ,I already get my sound on my headphones after a hour of confusion, I plug-in the headphones on the #2 and is good, but I still getting no sound on the #1, I’m going to keep trying today, I need to master this baby...thanks and good luck 👍
@@RayOrtega That's an understatement. The control app is a POS. Incredibly hard to figure out. It's a major design flaw. And makes we want to get rid of this device. I hate it now because of that crappy interface.
what about mic monitoring? any switch on the interface or do I need to disable microphone monitoring in that app? I don`t want to hear myself (on my headphones plugged in that card) while using mic in my discord / skype etc...
Does the 4i4 support a stereo input? Like you I have the first gen 2i4 but want to use an external soundcard (Xonar U3) and still want zero latency monitoring from my mic. Unfortunately the inputs of the 2i4 are unbalanced mono or balanced mono.
Hello Ray. I'm still getting significant lag while monitoring multitrack voice input. Especially when I try live monitoring woth effects loaded on the effects rack. Ideas? I am running the 4i4 gen 3 on my i9 processor iMac with the 4i4 connected via USB-C. Shure SM7B mic.
Good morning, from Spain Ray. I recently bought a 8i6 3rd gen. Could it possible to send audio (let's say analog input for instance from a analog RCA out DDJ400) to direct Instagram transmition? I did the same conecting directly to the Iphone (via DJM-REC) my korg kronos usb output... but I don't achieve any result connecting (once programed the Scarlett, and alone connected usb-c cable , OTG adapter to iphone)... Perhaps, I'm not setting up properly the Scarlett outputs... Honestly I'm a little bit stuck, but with your brillant video I started again to think that is possible ;) Another dubt I have, is about the ios class compliant ... Thanks for your help. François
Thanks ray! I have a Scarlett studio, I want to change to a scarlet tha help me to conect 1 Electronic drums, 1 mic, 1 bass drum, 1 electronic guitar, 1 midi controler with digital synth . And be able to play live and record with my friends. Which do you recommend me? ( maybe 2 mic but it is no important) thank you
I've been using my zoom h6 as an audio interface to record podcasts online. Is it worth investing in a scarlett 3rd gen? How are his drives for windows 10? Thank you very much.
I've been thinking of getting this unit but I'm unsure if it'll be able to do everything I need. I have two outputs, headphones and speakers, I was wondering if I can plug in both and choose which output to use and then also plugging in one microphone in first XLR port as well as have a Nintendo Switch in the back while also having my Desktop audio go through the USB into my headphones or speakers with the Nintendo Switch and the microphone so I can hear everything simultaneously but also only have one microphone in the desktop where no one else can hear all the audio from my Switch and desktop. Thanks for any help!
I've had the 4i4 for nearly a year now, using for recording, but also for Zoom feed meetings, through my apple laptop, but today, after about an hour, the interface stopped working. It was a little hot on top. I unplugged it and tried again. First I got a couple of red lights on left gain input and instrument light. This went out straight away. I re-plugged in again and everything lit up momentarily. Several times now i"ve tried but I get either the red or all lights on, then nothing. Would I be right in thinking this could be a hardware problem? It's less than 1 year old.
Ray, I was able to work this on a Mac using with my focusrite 18i20 with sound flower and ladiocast allowing me to route inputs 3,4,5,6 to sound flower 2 channel and stream all via OBS selecting sound flower 2ch as my source. Now I have a windows 10 gaming system and I am trying to do the same with the same focusrite via OBS. Are there windows apps equivalent to soundflower and ladiocast so I can route my audio with the same success. Thank you?
Would i Benefit from using a Focusrite i just play at home with my Yamaha CP88 with two Yamaha HS80 Speakers connected with XLR inputs into my Keyboard like what would i gain.
@@paulallenMacca So the keyboard is going direct to the speakers via XLR out of the keyboard then XLR in to the speakers? There is some possibility of getting better sound from an audio interface if preamps and DA or AD converters are involved, just depends on how your setup works now but I'm ignorant here cause I don't ever hook up keyboards.
How to use input 3 and 4.. in the software .. there is no input 3 and 4 only analog 1 and 2.. i am searching for tutorial setting audio level for input 3 and 4 but still cant find. Can you explain to me about how to control input 3 and 4 ? I am recording live music with 3 instrument and 1 vocal.. chanel 1 for mic, 2 for guitar, 3 for piano and 4 for cajon but i cant control the audio level for input 3 - 4..
I am plugging in a Shure SM58 beta in the 1st gen 2i4. It seems like it does not have enough gain, I have to go quite high to properly hear it. Would the 3rd gen address that in some way? Or do I need something additional?
I couldn't tell much difference but of course it depends on other factors like your computer. I was able to get it low enough that I was able to record while monitoring my voice in the DAW but I don't record that way typically, I will direct monitor or go direct to an audio recorder. Thanks for watching.
Hi Ray, i'm going to buy it but have a doubt: the usb-c connection needs to be connected direct on my macbook pro or i can connect through a hub? Thank you
@@RayOrtega Thank you for answer. I've a HUB 2 with usb-c ports. One is Power Delivery and i use it for charging macbook. Other one is not specified. So do you recomend to plug in direct on mac book?
Awesome video man! Just a quick additional tip, in case someone hasn't already posted this.
If you're using a DAW like Logic Pro X, you may be a bit confused not seeing the inputs labeled as "Loop 1" and "Loop 2" as it was in this video. In that case, the naming convention for the Loopback inputs is as follows:
4i4 -> Inputs 5 & 6
8i6 -> Inputs 9 & 10
18i8 -> Inputs 11 & 12
Hope that saves someone the time of cycling through all the inputs
Very cool, thanks for sharing!
I'm getting this primarily for 4 outputs. I use interfaces for recording & mixing purposes and doing an a/b with 2 studio monitors as well as having the headphone out in the front would really give great sound perspective with 3 different mediums
Thanks for this Ray, especially appreciate the detail and thoughtful evaluation.
Thanks, Curtis. I think between those that cover interfaces here on UA-cam, all the specs and considerations a pretty well covered. It's a pretty cool time if you're into gear, you can really see the details before you buy. Of course there's a flip side to that LOL.
I agree 100% about the hardware buttons, and especially the direct monitor input/playback mix knob. I really love the hardware button/knobs layout of the 2i4 in general, but the software for this thing has just been crap for me for a LONG time now. It used to happen like once a day- I'd come back to my daw (still open from previous session) the next day and I'd get no audio and have to deselect/reselect the device. I finally upgraded drivers and now the whole driver is crashing like every 15 minutes... I can tell the driver is crashed because the device doesn't show up in OS devices when it happens. I have to unplug/replug it in.
Anyone know a good audio interface with a similar hardware layout to 1st gen 2i4, but actually stable and works without having to restart it all the time. I don't care about going cheap anymore just want something dependable!
And........He is back!! Great review as usual! I need to pick up one of those.
Periodically back. That's my style LOL. Thanks, Eric!
Re. the inputs in the back of the 4i4, can you control the volume?😀
Thank you for the review Ray, specifically on the headphone listening part where its output assignment is software controlled and no more the front switch/dial...what a hustle !! I buy stuff like this for my 18 years old daughter and she ended up asking me why there is no audio on the headphone ....LOL. I just got 4i4 for her last night.
Just in case any parents here in the shoe as mine, or those wanting to set up recording system for personal use, here is my own limited experience : It all started in 2013.
My daughter has a Yamaha keyboard, so that is 2 output, it has L/R channels.
She has an acoustic guitar , so I got her a AKG CS1000 48V condenser mic. This can be a 3rd channel for vocal or guitar.
She sings, for her vocal I got her Audio Technica AT2035, 48V condenser mic, so this is a 4th channel.
Earlier, I also got her 3 of Shure Beta 58A dynamic mics, this is before I understood a proper vocal mic in a quiet room
is a condenser type...LOL. She sometime sings with her 2 friends, so 3 dynamic mics needed.
I was and still is in many ways an analog guy for audio mixing, so after a failed attempt with a Steinberg UR-28 when my daughter was still 13 years old back then , as I was ( and still is ) a DAW stupid :) ...... I ended up with analog SoundCraft EPM6 and send its recording to a Zoom H4N. I was avoiding laptop based DAW as much as I can....ha ha ha.
She needs the Zoom H4N anyway for outdoor recording when the need arise.
In late 2015 , I bought her a Tascam PortaStudio : tascam.com/us/product/dp-24sd/top to ease the mixing with near DAW like performance but without the Laptop/PC requirement. I really like this unit, easy to use and very capable. I am my daughter's "audio hardware engineer" so to speak, so I must choose a hardware I can teach her to operate.
Being an old analog guy, I am very very happy with this Tascam real physical multi buttons and sliders and paired with super easy to use Vegas Pro video editor which is good for its audio capability and my daughter does not touch up her audio much anyway, its more than enough. She was already able to use Vegas Pro since she was 13 years old. I am a happy Daddy since 2015, as far as my daughter not bugging me on audio and video edit matters...LOL.
Come few days ago. She was recording with a friend who uses Scarlett 2i2 gen 2.
First thing she said was : "Dad, its easy to use , I can visually see the audio track in real time during a recording."
I agree with her, in her Tascam she can in real time hear the audio track but can't see it visually. She has to export the audio file from Tascam to Vegas Pro for final edit into MP3 or whatever she likes the audio format to be. But what I like about the Tascam is , no lag when mixing playback audio of her keyboard playback or guitar playback when she wanted to add her vocal later on.
The simplified sync timing between playback source to new vocal is also what I like about the Tascam PortaStudio.
In my country the Tascam DP-24 cost about 2.5 times what I paid for 4i4, but the Tascam DP-24 has 8 physical XLR/TRS combo input and I think in Scarlet series it will be the much bigger Scarlet units like 18i20 ...yes ?
I initially wanted the 18i8 instead, so that if I buy her another condenser mic, becoming 3 units, I got 4 channels of 48V phantom power ready and 18i8 has the twin headphone outputs. Now I am using 4 channels output headphone amplifier to assist her Tascam DP-24 for 3 person use. After some thinking, she probably will use the Scarlet as portable unit in her friend's place,
so I stick with 4i4.
Let see in a few months, how she finds the Scarlet 4i4 vs her Tascam DP-24 for 4 channels use. :)
BTW, Scarlet user manual called Direct Monitoring as Direct Routing ..dang. It may confuse some people.
Once again, thank you Ray for the review.
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👍thanks for the comments and breakdown of how you're using the gear.
Ray, I have seen issues with these 4i4 only lasting about 1 to 2 years.. seems like there a problem with USB Controller chip.. They burn out and you have to get the unit replaced... I currently experienced this problem... and have multiple friends that I have recommended the 4i4 and now worried theirs will fail too.. "Search for 4i4 no hardware connected" issue
i am absolutely fine with my 2i4 Gen2...cant even imagine an audio interface without a direct monitoring knob :3
It's a real pain to use the 4i4 Gen3 software mixer control. It's a horribly designed interface. I can never make sense of it, and I'm fairly experienced. Even if it that interface was nicely designed, I've really grown to hate this box because I can't just control a hardware knob/button to do what I want. And if I want to use it on a Linux machine, forget it. Yeah, it works, if you set up the software mix before using it on Linux.
Good review, although it definitely comes from a podcaster's point of view. You could say (and I think you did) i'd keep the one I have. Someone looking to use it in music applications would be more positive.
The reason is the 4i4 has nice features over the 2i2 and 2i4 which would be important for musician applications, such as the additional channels, the software control which gives more flexible routing options and adding MIDI interfaces which allows capturing events for music keyboards, pads, controllers into the DAW and can be used for output of recorded data to those devices and even control lighting. Unfortunately, since a podcaster mostly doesn't really have a need for those features they are not mentioned as anything special. So, the viewer watching, which would be unfamiliar with these uses for music production, may not get a full appreciation of the device. Moving some functionality from physical switches to software may not be such a problem for musician applications, since most of the time is spent in the computer interface and other features gained make up for that loss.
If this applies to your situation; I changed from the Scarlett 2i4 to Scarlett 4i4. I had the Shure SM7B microphone plugged in, with a separate TritonAudio Fethead Mic Preamp. I had to remove the Fethead Mic Preamp to make it work with the new Scarlett 4i4. It's mentioned on the Focusrite website that the 3rd gen has an upgraged mic preamp, which is maybe why the internal built-in preamp in the audio interface with the external Fethead preamp combined doesn't work.
Good informative review. Thanks for posting.
I agree that taking away the front panel switches is a BIG loss of functionality when comparing 2i4 vs 4i4. Unfortunately My 2i4 is bricked so I'm truly stuck!
Great review! Thanks. I am so glad you mentioned the differences between the 2i4 and 4i4. The removing knobs and converting them to software control stuff is a fail as far as I am concerned. The one thing engineers don't understand is that for creative purposes, musicians like to operate on-the-fly and not be hampered with software mazes.
Thanks. For what it's worth, I never went back to the 2i4. I definitely prefer hardware controls but I've been getting along with the 4i4 just fine and it's a great device. I'd still vote to put knobs back on ;)
@@RayOrtega very useful to know thank you!
I own both the 212 and the 414. I thought the 414 upgrade would, as the advertisement said on the website. Give me 4 input's and more clear head room for recording and or live streams. It turns out the 414 actually has a bug for windows 10, pro, or higher and for what ever reason is way quieter then the 212. This is during recordings and live streaming. Second of all this is not a simple 4 input interface, which I learned the hard way. The front inputs are pre amped and the back 3, 4 are not. So now I own both devices and am scratching my head wondering -212-414 ? lol
Bummer about the bug on Win. Maybe sell both and use the money for one that works well with your system. Hope you find a solution for one audio interface!
Great video! Awesome material per usual.
Was hoping you could assist with a couple questions. If I want to use the 4i4 as an interface into the DAW (audacity) and then try to have a back up recording at the same time, connecting the 4i4 to a zoom h6 or something of that nature, is this doable? I'd like to be able to have a second option in case the software goes down - so if I had two on site hosts, I would plug in the 2 xlr cables to the 4i4, usb to the computer, and then what would be needed to connect to the zoom H6 and would it be the computer or the 4i4 going to the H6?
Also, would I still be able to have multi-track with the back up recording in this case on the sd card?
Thanks for your review. I agree that the direct line input is a real game changer when the choice time is coming, and I'm in this situation :) One one a main remaining question I have is about ADAT & SPDIF, are they able to work at the same time ? Thanks again
Thanks, Cyril, unfortunately I can't say if the two work together. I haven't explored either option at this point.
Thanks for the review! I think just because of it missing all the useful hardware buttons, i'll not get it. Instead i'm looking at a used 2i4 or a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 MK2.
What's even worse is that there is no clear way in the control software to turn up and down the direct monitor as it becomes a lot more obscure with the different options in it. For those of you looking for the solution to this, go to "Output Routing" in the Focusrite Control Software and set all outputs to "Playback 1-2".
Thanks for the video, I've been looking for a good simple loopback solution and this works great on my PC.
Coming from a 2nd gen 2i2, I was considering upgrading to a 4i4 because having the extra 2 inputs (even if those are 1/4" only) would be super-helpful. The only reason I haven't done it yet is because of the direct monitor switch, as you said. Thanks for explaining just how inconvenient not having the physical direct monitor switch is. It has solidified my decision NOT to get a 2i4.
With that said, is there another interface you can recommend that has at least two combo jacks, 2 additional instrument jacks and a physical direct monitor switch/button?
My dad has been super into music and music production his whole life but has also been super cheap. Because of this he has never owned a proper audio interface. I would like to buy him a good audio interface for his birthday. He sings, plays both electric and acoustic guitar, bass, synthesizer, and a few brass instruments. He also has a couple guys that together run a bit of a hobby band and would like to do some recording and so would want to record a few instruments at a time. My mom wants to surprise him with a proper studio in his office. Is this the interface for him or should I look for something else?
Sounds like a great gift. This interface is probably not enough channels for him if he wants to include a band with all instruments recorded at the same time. He'll probably need more inputs like on this Focusrite amzn.to/38jEG0g (affiliate link) but it depends on how many instruments and microphones he is trying to record at the same time as well as if those instruments are going through amps or directly into the interface. Behringer also as a decent line of interfaces that could save you some money amzn.to/39lpK1S
Hey buddy, great review, I had a really unique use for this - I won't get too much into it, and I'm not sure if you're familiar with Logic Pro x but basically, on the 2i2 1st gen, you can select your output to be between mono 1 and 2 (as well as Stereo 1+2 of course, but for my purpose im looking at the mono). With the 4i4 would there be output 1-4 on the DAW, as well as Stereo 1+2 / 3+4 - Long story short, im routing these outputs to my mixer and im going to need 3 mono outputs to get what I need out of it. Are you able to check this some how?
Another excellent review, thanks Ray.
Thanks!
great vid, I learned the differences. My only question is, how does the sound quality fair in comparison between the 2nd/3rd, does the new preamps make a difference?
Thanks. I would say they are the same. In theory the preamps are supposed to be a little better but I would not say there is a noticeable difference. All versions do a good job equally from my experience aka you could save some money by getting a 2i2 even the 3rd gen if you didn't need the extra Line Ins in the back or the Loopback feature amzn.to/2MfNJq8 (affiliate link)
Great review! Very informative and well structured! Thanks! :)
Thanks, Cornelis!
Thanks for the review, I was wondering could I use this to record audio from a Yamaha MX88 keyboard via inputs 3 & 4 while simultaneously recording midi from it?
I agree about the monitor level knob. I don't understand this trend to remove buttons and knobs and make everything tiny. Software has always been unreliable. Buttons and cables rarely fail me. I can see the use in having the software as a back-up, but it's not like I want my interface to be small enough to fit in my pocket, so I don't see the point in sacrificing essentials.
Maybe it's just me, but the loss of those controls is a deal breaker.
Thanks for sharing! I am a musician and my old lexicon omega stopped working with Reaper. Was just gonna go for the 2i2 but I am thinking for a few more bucks I would benefit from the 4i4. Newbie here so I will be watching alot of your videos. Subscribed!
Hello, I have a problem. I have connected my Focusrite 4i4 to the studio monitors (KRK Rokit 6), and it works perfectly, but I can't turn the volume up or down with the volume button on my device as well as the headphones volume button. How can I fix this problem? Thank you so much for your attention and cooperation in advance.
I have the same monitors. Not sure if I understand correctly but the monitor volume and headphone volume each have their own volume knob so you have to adjust each accordingly.
Great review Ray, and also that’s a nice looking shirt. 😉
Ha was waiting to see if you’d catch that. Thumbnail is a bit of an homage as well. aka rip off;)
Thank you so much for the tutorial. So I can hook up 4 of my instruments to this device via 1/4'' jacks and get 2 stereo outputs to headphones simultaneously, right? Cheers
Thanks Ray for the informative video! I liked and subbed! I'm receiving my Scarlett 4i4 3rd Gen mixer soon, can't wait to try out the LoopBack function!
I do have one question. Some UA-cam reviews criticize the Focusrite Scarlett mixer for their lack of decent visual display of levels/gain compared to other brands. For example, on other brands of mixers, there is an LCD display that shows vertical bars for levels/gains to better see if audio is peaking/clipping. Do you find this to be an issue for lack of a decent visual display on the Scarlett? Sorry if I'm not asking the question clearly.
Great in depth review. Thanks Ray!
The look and feel of this solid slab is impressive. The red anodized aluminum housing speaks of the quality inside. The Popularity is of no wonder.
I was fortunate to pick up a used 4i4 3rd gen still in the box. No bundled software key, so at a great price. I have migrated to Linux so I did not need it.
Linux is not supported by Focusrite, but if they made this interface fully Class Compliant, there should be no issues. However...
There is one issue that I need to resolve and that is what how to switch input modes (INSTR,AIR,...) and toggle direct monitoring, just like the Focusrite Windows and Mac software does. For the routing and mixing, Jack, Alsa and my Daw is so open and flexible that the interface should be exploitable to it's fullest in Linux.
Any suggestions about this?
Thanks, Dino. You're out of my pay grade so I can't say unfortunately. I didn't know there were hot keys but that would be great. I'm sure you've plumbed the depths of the internet forums but if not there might be some gold in there. Let me know if you find out!
Hi Ray,
My name is actually Paul ;-)
Linux is far from user friendliness, more into hacker territory I guess. There Is so much to learn and I am only starting...
Before going any further, I downloaded the windows drivers to test this used card out fully. I also found a free windows software that can monitor all USB activity between software and hardware.; commands, reponses, data flow. Maybe I can map out the Focusrite protocol. Select AIR on input 1, the software sends _______?
The next step would be to write setup scripts in the Jack software that manages audio in Linux. There can be several, one for each audio routing and hardware setting (ie: vocal Air 1 with guitar on 2 with direct monitoring). Basically I must reproduce the functionality of the Focusrite control software in Linux. Most of the routing that the Focusrite software does is already available in Jack, hence it's name.
That, from what I gather, is the power of Linux. Steep learning curve but powerful as sin. Apart from breathing 10 years of life back into an old laptop that can no longer even boot tge retiring windows 7-64Pro, boots in a flash, is also 64 bit, lightning fast and stable. Yup, it' that lean, maybe 75% less overhead, hard to believe actually. You have All the aps you need, all free, and no security issues, you dont even need an antivirus.
I think that it is worth learning. And if I get tge 4i4 running sweet, I will share.
Before you buy: Be aware of the fact that there is no hardware or software preamp (line 3+4) for anything you plug into the back of the 4i4. Drove me nuts.
Thanks, I talk about that at :40 when I mention the TRS line inputs. Also there is no line 5/6, just 3/4. For someone new to audio, I could have done a better job explaining exactly what line inputs are vs mic. inputs, so I will work that into future videos. Stay well.
I apologize if I missed this, but do you have a video showing the actual steps in plugging in all the cables for remote podcasting from two locations?
I’m going to order one tomorrow. Thanks for the breakdown.
Do you think a Rode NTG3 mic will be an ok option for podcasting? I already own one for my videography work.
Enjoy! You can definitely get some fantastic audio from the NTG3 for podcasting, lots of pro VO people use shotguns for dialog
Ray, thanks for the great video! Had same issue with 4i4 3rd gen and problem you described with first input channel.
Have solved this on Windows System recently (don't have any Mac nearby unfortunately).
There's beta drivers on website beta.focusrite.com/ - you'll find out "Focusrite USB2 Drivers 4.64.15" news record and download link there.
It was published on 18th November 2019
From changelog:
- Added multichannel WDM support (surround sound)
- Added multiple WDM inputs and outputs
With old stable driver I've had only 2 devices: Input Focusrite USB and Output Focusrite USB
I upgraded to latest BETA driver from Focusrite and now multiple input and output devices are available:
1) Output: Focusrite USB Speakers
2) Output: Playback 3+4
3) Input: Analogue 1+2
4) Input: Analogue 3+4
5) Input: Loopback L+R
Now I can send my DAW (in ASIO mode) output to WDM Skype input by selecting "Loopback L+R" as input device!
Interesting that Focusrite never mentioned this solution
Welcome to use and share this information!
Losing the front panel buttons and knobs is enough to put me off this model. I’d find that really annoying to have to keep switching between software to make those adjustments.
great video!
i'd like to know if the beyerdynamic dt 770 pro headphones (250 omh) works fine with this focusrite scarlett 4i4 3th gen?
Tough to say cause it's subjective. I actually just got these headphones and my main interface is now the Rodecaster Pro and I need to use the digital boost. The 4i4 can push them when I turn it all the way up and it's clean but it feels like it's on the edge of not being enough but again depends on your ears. You might also be able to boost some in the software but again I'd say for me it's close to not enough, I've heard other say it's enough.
My HD660S (150ohm), at 100% volume on 4i4 3rd, work like 65% on UMC404HD. But the sound is clean
Hey man. Great video. I just bought the 4i4 3rd gen. I see text on it for “air”, but no button for it. How do you activate the air feature?
If you didn't find it yet, it's in the Focusrite Control app. Check the input settings.
@@RayOrtega hey mate. So sorry. I only just noticed this. I figured it out. Thanks for your advice.
In windows, you have to right-click the Focusrite icon down in the activity field and choose "Expose / Hide Windows Channels" and check Loopback to make it visible in apps. How do I do this on a mac? The loopback 5&6 are not showing up in my audio apps. I have routed it correctly in Focusrite Control just like in this video. I have a 4i4
That's not all. Max impute way better. Dynamic range, Gain area in bumped up, on all inputs. Especially Mic! So it's not just a input amount upgrade.Its sound, headphones, monitors, line/XLR, inputs much better. That's the key to me.
Thank you for your wonderful review! Can I ask you a question? What happens if you change the setting of the device in the control software (the direct/playback mix, for example) and you turn your computer off? Is the new setting kept in the device when you turn it on again? Or maybe all the setting go to a default configuration everytime the device or PC turns on again? (I don't know if I am explaining myself correctly)
Your settings should remain the same for the next time you boot up, they should be saved in the software
Ray Ortega Great, thank you for your response.
Great review my man. Super detailed and thorough. Unfortunately, I need the midi, but I agree that the front controls are preferable in the 2i2 I own! Thank you!
Hey man, do you know if the loopback function is already available in the 2i2 software?
@@luisnuricumbo8313 yes, it is works
@@JustEnglishPro awesome, thank man
Hi Ray! Thank you so much for this awesome review ... would you be so kind if I could borrow a moment of your time to ask you a quick question? On the Focusrite Scarlett 4i4, can you plug two XLR Microphone Cables on the front and two Guitar quarter-inch cable on the back "Line Inputs"? I would truly truly greatly appreciate your response ... Thank you so much!
That is correct
The loop back is the reason I got a 4i4. The 2i2 does not have it.
Thanks.
So, Ray, Forcusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) is still good for nearly all podcasters and there is no need to rush-out and buy a (3rd Gen)?
I’d say that’s correct. No need to upgrade.
Thanks for this video, Ray! I picked up the 4i4 primarily for the Loopback functionality for podcasting. I record a podcast that is 2 in studio mono mics and 1 Skype caller. I use Logic ProX and I'm having some confusion on how to set the Loopback input in Logic for the Skype call. In your example, Audition recognizes the Loopback input and you assign it. In Logic ProX the inputs are simply listed 1, 2, 3...Is there a rule of thumb for knowing which input to set for the Loopback?
5&6
Thank you for this video, it really helped me but I had a question; Can I make a bridge of output 3 and 4 with software for connecting to an active subwoofer? I'm a DJ and normally I do these actions with mixers and power mixers and amplifiers but for my home studio, I wanna something near like clubs. How much freedom do I have in the audio interface compared to the mixer? I know the live performance equipment is different.
Oh I was hoping it's like a loop-pedal :/
Or is there a way to achieve that thru the PC & software?
Hi Ray, im fairly new to this stuff, mostly did audio recording and then send it away to be mixed. Im starting to do and enjoy lots more privet content (with video and voiceover) and am starting to get the appropriate gear to mix it myself. but would you suggest getting the 4i4 3rd Gen vs 2i2 3rd Gen for a 60 euro price difference? (229 vs 169 euro). For now ill be using monitor headphone + 2 monitor speakers and ofcourse a mic. I don want to look in to podcasting and streaming in the future.
If two channels is enough for you, then the 2i2 is a great buy and I'd go with that.
I find it so odd that they kept physical gain knobs but removed the instrument/line switch
Thx! Now, if you can get Motu to send you a M4 for review..:) In the next few months, when I get a USB interface, I'll likely choose between the Motu M4 and the Scarlett 4i4. The Motu has brilliant LEDs up front that show you your music input level. But it is the quality of the MIC PREAMPS that I really am fussy about! One thing about this Scarlett: if I want to record a stereo track along with a Vocal and Line input, I'll have to use both 3 and 4 inputs together...I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I mean, are 3 and 4 TRS inputs or TS inputs?j)
Yo Ray I have a question I desperately need answered, I'm looking into recording songs and podcasts with a 4i4 interface but I have an issue with getting my voice across loud enough to be heard, do I need to use a preamp or do I just need a better mic
Can I just confirm..is it possible to use all 4 inputs and the same time, say 2 instruments and 2 mics to record? Thanks!
Hi. Bit of a late reply but I did just this very thing a few weeks ago for recording drums. The only issue you will run into is that you need some sort of pre-amp for the line inputs at the back. Luckily I was gifted a vocal rack pre-amp years ago and our problem was solved. The 4i4 is amazing 👌
Hi. Where are the control knobs for inputs 3 and 4? Can you record with all those inputs simultaneously? Example 2 mics and a keyboard synth?
3/4 are line inputs so your any control over those will be done in your DAW but yes you can put each input onto it's own track in your DAW.
@@RayOrtega thanks alot.
Question: Wouldn’t plugging outboard gear such as a preamp/compressor into the front combo jacks be a bad idea since the signal would be colored by the focusrite’s preamps?
I don't notice any 'coloring' from the preamp but I'm sure it's a possibility. If you have a way to interface an outboard preamp/compressor without going to an interface like an onboard soundcard with line level input than that's an option but having a multichannel interface provides more flexibility in your setup and it sounds great IMO. Thanks for watching.
This great.
Question I am a music accompanist for a University Dance Department.
I am considering loopback feature as part of my remote set up.
Will it work with a live set up from Accompanist(me) to Choreographer ( from home) to students ( from home)
I would have the choreographer on loopback and assign her a track on my pro tools?
Will it eliminate a break up of audio during a "live" session while I am recording through Pro Tools?
As you know, as soon as the choreographer speaks, it breaks up the music sound a bit without loopback.
Can it be done live or is it only for recordings?
Ray, I'm going to do a video on my new Motu 8Pre ES and configuring it for mix minus with software, more for my own reference and to maybe help others. But before I do that, I'm doing a 5 minute video on mix minus with mixer showing, and I plan to put links to your videos for best explanations. Mine is just to lead into my Motu explanation, showing what I'm doing with mixer in software. My question is in this loopback. I'm old school purist who I am taking friend's time to be guests on a video, I don't rely on software and a PC only, and the Motu gives me easy ability to also send analog out to 8 outputs so that I can record to my Zoom recorder too. As you describe this video, the loopback feature of this hardware is really only utilized through the software, as you showed in this video. Is that correct? In other words, the loopback feature of a AI like this Scarlett gives you more possibilities in the DAW and what you're recording there. It has no affect to analog outs etc? (I always say it.. buy you're the best!!!)
I was reading more, and it's all in the control software and/or firmware of the audio interface. Reading about loopback, it says, "Here’s a cool feature found on certain Focusrite audio interfaces: a loopback input. This is an input found in the MixControl audio interface routing software that allows audio to be routed from any program in the computer into a DAW on the same computer. It’s a very handy tool to have around for capturing audio from standalone virtual instruments and other sources". So it changes nothing on the hardware, just helps in how the control program works with DAW. Do you see it the same? I'm a software guy for 35 years, so I am very analytical on this stuff.
Thanks for the links! As far as I know, you have it right. It's taking whatever is coming into the USB from your computer and allow you to route that into your DAW, I don't think there is any routing for the analog outputs, that said, whatever is coming from your computer via USB should already route to the outputs so I'm not sure how it would be used. Good luck with your vid, the Motu sounds awesome, I'll have to take a look at it.
@@RayOrtega Thanks again Ray!! You're kindness and talent knock me over.
nice. how do you suggest I use loopback for a virtual live Dance Class? I heard it is possible with my 4i4.
It sounds fine without it but I want a better quality. I am the music accompanist working remotely for a University Dance Class.
Please advise. Pro Tools is my DAW and I use a stereo Synth and 1 vocal mic.
Is it possible to connect speakers to line out and subwoofer to different line out and listen to both at the same time? Sorry for my English
With 2nd gen, I plug my LP player into the 2 front xlr ports and balance the mix with the direct monitor dial. On that 3rd gen, it's nice you have the balanced inputs on the back, which seems like it would also work for lp player?
Hi Ray! Will this model be able to let me plug in my piano keyboard and studio monitors at the same time? What cords do I need to plug in my keyboard? Thanks!
Hi, maybe you can help with this? I'd like to stream live using my DAW as a mixer (for the reverbs and compressors). Basically send what I hear in my headphones out to OBS. Normally, using my audio interface (Apogee Ensemble) as the audio source in OBS or FB live does not work for playing the DAW audio. It only plays whatever mics I have plugged into the interface. My current solution is to take my headphone out of my Ensemble interface, and send that to a 2nd USB audio interface, and use that as the audio source in OBS. Do you think this new "Loopback" functionality in the Scarlett can eliminate the need for a 2nd audio interface? My method is great, but not ideal. Any sounds coming through my headphones goes through the stream. I just want to make an audio interface send out ONLY DAW audio for streaming, while still using that audio interface to monitor everything happening on my computer. It's quite the headache to do what seems so simple. Thanks in advance.
Bzzzzt! Contrary to this vid ... the 2i2 didn't have loopback. I bought my 2i2 3rd gen in January 2020 ... No loopback, and focusrite even says loopback doesn't start until the 4i4 model.
Focusrite labels their devices as class compliant so I’m wondering if they have a focusrite control app for iPad. Else how so u select between lime and instrument when using with an iPad ?
They have apps apps.apple.com/us/app/focusrite-control/id1127384645
@@RayOrtega I went to check on their website and it says “The Focusrite Control iOS app allows you to remotely control your interface from your iOS device, only when the interface is physically connected to your Windows or Mac computer.” But thanks for your video. I’ll stick with the 2i2 for now. I can always upgrade in future when I get a computer. 👍🏽
Can I have a 3 person podcast setup with the 4i4? There are only 2 XLR inputs but there are the 2 inputs on back. Could I put a mic into the line input?
If you use a dbx286s, would you want to use the line in on the back in order to bypass the Focusrite preamp? I'm wondering if that would be cleaner than using the dbx preamp and sending the dbx output into the Focusrite preamp.
Thank you for your review! Is it possible to plug in two XLR inputs (1 stereo mic) and one instrument into this device? Meaning will I be able to plug in a guitar with a 6.3 mm cable into the line inputs in the back?
Thanks! The 1/4" plugs in the back on line level so you wouldn't have the Hi-Z you need for a guitar, that's only from the front combo inputs.
But essentially I could have 2 - external preamps that I route into the rear panel and plug a mic into those and then be able to have 4 simultaneous channels of audio recording in a bus powered interface correct? Or, if I had 2 instruments with active pickups?
No, because you would have to connect the guitar in a line level.
I think is better to record your mic in mono, then in your DAW make it stereo
People on Skype wont hear themselves, that's cool BUT! will they hear the other sounds coming from the computer like UA-cam videos being commented on or music, sfx, etc.?
Hi, very good job tnks a lots.
But does it mean thar 4i4 has his own control software to download? Just like for focusrite 4pre, 18i6, 6i6, 8i6. Tnks pls reply help me.🙏🙏
I heard somewhere the 4i4 would also work as a regular preamp (powered by regular usb-charger, but the 2i2 would not. Is this something you know about? Thanks!
Hi Ray, thanks for the video. I am a Dj looking to upgrade from my Native Instruments Audio 4. I feel the new Audio 6 feels 'lightweight' and am looking for something a bit more sturdy. Can this be used to run with Virtual DJ?
Thanks, Frankie. I'm not familiar with DJ-ing or Virtual DJ so I don't know what the needs are unfortunately.
@@RayOrtega Hi Ray - thanks for taking the time to reply. I was able to get it to work with Focusrite Control Panel and VDJ settings. Its pretty confusing, but worth the time as now I can cue in VDJ for my live sets. Cheers.
@@frankierodriguez5620 Glad you got working! The Control app is not the most intuitive as you mentioned but cool that you got it working and it does what you need now. Have fun.
Great review dos the 4i4 work with an iPad Pro?
It's 'class compliant' so it should be able to work, more info support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/115005430409-Can-I-use-my-bus-powered-Scarlett-with-an-iPad-
Ray Ortega no! It absolutely doesn’t work. All of the features like direct monitoring and switching line inputs only works on the pc software. The control center app only communicates with the pc software. To make matters worse the MIDI doesn’t work w/o the software! Such wasted potential.
I'd be glad if you could answer
The new one has 4 inputs, can you record for example 2 voices, a guitar and a bass playing at the same time in 4 separate tracks?
yes you can
But the guitar and the bass would need a pre-amplifier. Because the other two inputs are line inputs
in your opinion, beside the 4 inputs in 4i4, is Steinberg UR22C comparable or better over focuriste 4i4? in terms of easy plug and play, setup and functions and features.
This may be a dumb question. I want to use my Shure SM7B and Focusrite 4i4 on my stream. The mic input into my computer via USB-c is left channel only. Do I just need to make everything mono to make it work successfully? Thanks!
i know it's been 11 months, but this is for everyone else who has this problem as well.
if you only hear your microphone in the left channel, it's because a lot of programs are expecting a stereo audio signal. each input in your interface is a mono signal, so since the computer is expecting a stereo signal, it will automatically select channel 1 to be the left and channel 2 as the right.
in most streaming programs, you'll be able to 'downmix to mono' to fix the problem, or just create a new mono input.
Hi ! Is the Scarlett 4i4 headphones output loud enough for a Beyerdynamic DT 770 80 ohms or do i need to choose another interface in the Focusrite offer (Clarett) to get a better headphone level ? Thx for your answer. Franck.
Alcaraz Franck from what I’ve seen these interfaces have enough clean gain to properly amplify a DT770 250ohm. So, your 80ohm version should be no problem.
Sorry for the noob question, but I'm looking to buy our first audio interface, and I'd like to record 2 microphone and 2 guitar inputs at once, is this achieveable with this one? I got a bit confused when he said we can't plug 4 things at once.
Hey Ray I’m new on your channel, I really like your videos ,very good tutorials ,I have a 8i6 3gen ,i just want to know why I can hear any sound on my headphones ? ,this focusrite control may me crazy ...
Thanks for watching. It's hard to say why you're not getting sound. The Control app is definitely not the most intuitive, try sending a message to Focusrite and maybe they can walk you through the issue, might try twitter DM to see if you get faster response.
Thanks anyway Ray ,I already get my sound on my headphones after a hour of confusion, I plug-in the headphones on the #2 and is good, but I still getting no sound on the #1, I’m going to keep trying today, I need to master this baby...thanks and good luck 👍
@@ispablito Good to hear, good luck!
@@RayOrtega That's an understatement. The control app is a POS. Incredibly hard to figure out. It's a major design flaw. And makes we want to get rid of this device. I hate it now because of that crappy interface.
what about mic monitoring? any switch on the interface or do I need to disable microphone monitoring in that app? I don`t want to hear myself (on my headphones plugged in that card) while using mic in my discord / skype etc...
Yeah you would adjust your output monitoring in the app. I prefer the hardware dial on the 2i4 but on the 4i4 you have to go into the app.
Does the 4i4 support a stereo input? Like you I have the first gen 2i4 but want to use an external soundcard (Xonar U3) and still want zero latency monitoring from my mic.
Unfortunately the inputs of the 2i4 are unbalanced mono or balanced mono.
Is the loopback function already available in the 2i2? That's the reason that keeps me thinking which one to get. Thank u
I was planning to get the 2i2 3rd gen bundle set, but I read Loopback functions is only available on 4i4 models and up. correct me if i am wrong.
@@reysaw i don't know, ma man :(
If that's right im so disappointed.
You're right only from 4i4 and up.
That's what Focusrite page says
@@luisnuricumbo8313 4i4 for you?
@@luisnuricumbo8313 check this review here to make your decision.
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Hello Ray. I'm still getting significant lag while monitoring multitrack voice input. Especially when I try live monitoring woth effects loaded on the effects rack. Ideas? I am running the 4i4 gen 3 on my i9 processor iMac with the 4i4 connected via USB-C. Shure SM7B mic.
how about monitoring setting in focusrite gen3? i use compressor external to 4i4. set monitoring 3-4 playback its true?
Good morning, from Spain Ray. I recently bought a 8i6 3rd gen. Could it possible to send audio (let's say analog input for instance from a analog RCA out DDJ400) to direct Instagram transmition? I did the same conecting directly to the Iphone (via DJM-REC) my korg kronos usb output... but I don't achieve any result connecting (once programed the Scarlett, and alone connected usb-c cable , OTG adapter to iphone)...
Perhaps, I'm not setting up properly the Scarlett outputs...
Honestly I'm a little bit stuck, but with your brillant video I started again to think that is possible ;)
Another dubt I have, is about the ios class compliant ...
Thanks for your help.
François
Thanks ray! I have a Scarlett studio, I want to change to a scarlet tha help me to conect 1 Electronic drums, 1 mic, 1 bass drum, 1 electronic guitar, 1 midi controler with digital synth . And be able to play live and record with my friends. Which do you recommend me? ( maybe 2 mic but it is no important) thank you
I've been using my zoom h6 as an audio interface to record podcasts online. Is it worth investing in a scarlett 3rd gen? How are his drives for windows 10? Thank you very much.
I've been thinking of getting this unit but I'm unsure if it'll be able to do everything I need. I have two outputs, headphones and speakers, I was wondering if I can plug in both and choose which output to use and then also plugging in one microphone in first XLR port as well as have a Nintendo Switch in the back while also having my Desktop audio go through the USB into my headphones or speakers with the Nintendo Switch and the microphone so I can hear everything simultaneously but also only have one microphone in the desktop where no one else can hear all the audio from my Switch and desktop. Thanks for any help!
With all the inputs together will it record 2 separate stereo tracks?
Do you think that if I'm using zoom I can use the interface for a better audio while also using the direct monitoring from the other software?
I've had the 4i4 for nearly a year now, using for recording, but also for Zoom feed meetings, through my apple laptop, but today, after about an hour, the interface stopped working. It was a little hot on top. I unplugged it and tried again. First I got a couple of red lights on left gain input and instrument light. This went out straight away. I re-plugged in again and everything lit up momentarily. Several times now i"ve tried but I get either the red or all lights on, then nothing. Would I be right in thinking this could be a hardware problem? It's less than 1 year old.
Can I directly plug my pedal boards like Tele -> pedal board -> 4i4 -> Macbook(Logic ?
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Ray, I was able to work this on a Mac using with my focusrite 18i20 with sound flower and ladiocast allowing me to route inputs 3,4,5,6 to sound flower 2 channel and stream all via OBS selecting sound flower 2ch as my source. Now I have a windows 10 gaming system and I am trying to do the same with the same focusrite via OBS. Are there windows apps equivalent to soundflower and ladiocast so I can route my audio with the same success. Thank you?
Would i Benefit from using a Focusrite i just play at home with my Yamaha CP88 with two Yamaha HS80 Speakers connected with XLR inputs into my Keyboard like what would i gain.
I don't play keyboards so it's hard for me to say. What are you not getting that you think the interface might help with?
@@RayOrtega Thanks for getting back to media just thought i seen it one time on UA-cam that i would get a better sound by using an Audio Interface.
@@paulallenMacca So the keyboard is going direct to the speakers via XLR out of the keyboard then XLR in to the speakers? There is some possibility of getting better sound from an audio interface if preamps and DA or AD converters are involved, just depends on how your setup works now but I'm ignorant here cause I don't ever hook up keyboards.
How to use input 3 and 4.. in the software .. there is no input 3 and 4 only analog 1 and 2.. i am searching for tutorial setting audio level for input 3 and 4 but still cant find. Can you explain to me about how to control input 3 and 4 ? I am recording live music with 3 instrument and 1 vocal.. chanel 1 for mic, 2 for guitar, 3 for piano and 4 for cajon but i cant control the audio level for input 3 - 4..
Pleaseeee speak about the latency
Thanks for your review
Asio is the answer of your problems
I am plugging in a Shure SM58 beta in the 1st gen 2i4. It seems like it does not have enough gain, I have to go quite high to properly hear it. Would the 3rd gen address that in some way? Or do I need something additional?
do you have latency comparison with your 1st gen and 3rd gen ? tnx
I couldn't tell much difference but of course it depends on other factors like your computer. I was able to get it low enough that I was able to record while monitoring my voice in the DAW but I don't record that way typically, I will direct monitor or go direct to an audio recorder. Thanks for watching.
Hi Ray, i'm going to buy it but have a doubt: the usb-c connection needs to be connected direct on my macbook pro or i can connect through a hub? Thank you
It's a good question. Hubs can be tricky, some may not supply enough power and I always feel less stable via hub
@@RayOrtega Thank you for answer. I've a HUB 2 with usb-c ports. One is Power Delivery and i use it for charging macbook. Other one is not specified. So do you recomend to plug in direct on mac book?