The 7800X3D is a really COOL CPU
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#amd #ryzen #7800x3d - Наука та технологія
X3D chips: *are really cool CPUs*
Mobo manufacturers: Anyway, I started blasting voltage...
Is this something I need to worry about
@@Strang3Mageno. This was only an issue in the early 7000x3d months. Just update your bios.
@@_nilson I can update bios in the software after installing the CPU, or should I flash the bios before installing the cpu? Also if I'm updating the bios through the software do I need to download the update online and save it to a flashdrive or is that just for flashback? Gonna build here in a few days when my GPU comes
@@Strang3MageNope. I've had mine up and running for about a month now. The only time I've ever seen it getting above 75 degrees was during a 45 minute install of Forza horizon 5. It basically never goes over 60 degrees other than something goofy like that.
@@joshmanuel3773 installing games takes a lot of work from the CPU ? I didn't know that Ive had my system up and running for less than a week lol
THANK YOU. FInally, someone answers a simple question many of us have had.
Thank you for this, and moreover, thanks for all you do!
GN sort of confirmed what you said about bootloop:) damn, you good. When I had 7600x I watched your video about tunning Hynix DRAM on Ryzen 7000 and I set SoC Voltage manually at 1,25v. BTW, my board at deafault settings wanted to give 1,35+v. So watching your video about timings might give extra longevity for my 7800x3d. Thx:)
I was setting up my 7800X3D yesterday while waiting on other parts. Had enough to bench it to check for faults. Threw on a low profile Scythe Shuriken 3 with the crappy paste that came with it and it sat happily at 37°C for about an hour while I played with settings and installed stuff. Was a pleasant surprise. I'll repurpose the old Noctua Chunker until they release the new one later this year. Good stuff.
i get like 60c on idle with the be quite dark rock pro 4 and thouth its normal what
@@tscheitea7735 I guess it depends on the climate, but 60c on a chunky twin tower cooler does seem a little high. Kinda reminds me of the old 3000 series issue where the chips where constantly boosting while idle. A quick tweak to the control panel power setting profile so that it only ever maxed to 99% fixed that. My old 3900X used to idle at around 48-54. After the tweak it went down to 38-41. This was on an NH D15s. - Ofcourse this meant that the CPU no longer boosted, but it wasn't difficult to set up a desktop shortcut to quickly switch power profiles when I wanted to game. 👍
i just bought the Artic liquide freeza 2 240 right now and hope i get better temps if not i will undervolt it :/@@Duvoncho
@@tscheitea7735 60c at idle is concerning, either you live somewhere really really warm or you applied the thermal paste incorrectly, even the shittiest cooling fan should have it idling below 60c.
@@Duvoncho Could you share the 3000 series tweaks? I've got ryzen 3800X and I suffer quite a lot from high temps on idle.
Monster cpu. I'm really looking forward to more content with this chip. 😎
For some reason 7800X3D
reaches high temperature in the menu of Battlefield 1. Higher than any stress test can reproduce.
Yep same for Apex legends and BFV. It’s a game issue, not just that chip. My 5700x is the same. It’s ridiculous how much power and heat it produces at the main menu. I sent EA/Dice an email about it a few months ago but didn’t hear anything back from them. It’s a shame they won’t implement even a basic FPS limit for the main menu.
@@IIHydraII Cant speak for BFV or BF1, but in Apex's case, it preloads maps and assets for the game mode you have selected, and also does some shader compilation. Absolutely eats your CPU alive trying to do it as fast as possible. In my experience, Apex's preload/shader comp routine is literally the highest load my CPU ever sees outside of synthetic benchmarks and stress tests.
FPS limits probably wont help, but if you still want to, you can do so via launch options in steam (+fps_max x). Could also be that fast modern SSD's enable that process to run significantly faster without getting bottlenecked by drive access.
I doubt it's higher than prime95.
@@username8644 "In my experience, Apex's preload/shader comp routine is literally the highest load my CPU ever sees outside of synthetic benchmarks and stress tests."
>"- outside of synthetic benchmarks and stress tests."
no shit, man.
@@thanatoast4 Funny, I wasn't commenting to you was I?
The guy I am commenting to clearly said "higher than any stress test"
I just recently tried my old Amd spire cooler and it did a fine job on my 7800x3d. Idle temps on the mid to high 40’s, games high 50s to low 60s… highest was 65 in The Last of Us. Cinebench did of course make it reach 89… but overall I was impressed.
thats impressive
I’ve been getting similar temps as you with one exception. I fired up Apex Legends for the first time on the 7800x3d and it reached 83 degrees which I find very odd. Every other game it runs between 50-60
My temps are literally the same as yours using a 360 AIO. 58c to 65c in Spiderman Remastered in 4k.
wtf I'm on fire rn cs go is 62 degrees, hunt is 70, apex is 80 degrees, I use nzxt kraken elite as a cooler
I think that a bios update a few weeks after this post may have affected power/temps... Because suddenly my temps were about 10 degrees higher in each area; idle, gaming. in Last of Us, the pc would shut down during building shadders because temp would go over 90. Other than this, temps were high but still 'usable'... Was a nice experiment though.
I'm using deepcool 360 aio now, and that works well.
I have a 7900x3d and it was running mid 70s on the hotspot using a Noctua redux U12S. That cooler was just a stand in while waiting on a gpu water block to swap over to a custom loop. Now it is usually hitting low 60s on hotspot. I was also running r20 with an ambient of about 24c. In games usually see mid 50s. Another thing I found interesting was the l3 cache, which usually only in the mid 30s. EDIT Also running a 7900 xtx in the loop which is usually about high 60s when dumping 430w into the loop.
You know that the 7900x3d only uses 6 cores for gaming? Unlike the the 7950x3d and 5800x3d that uses 8 cores. You are not using 12 cores 6 of the cores are parked when you play games.
hey just wanted to throw in some temps from nh-d15s (w/ one fan) - idling 30-31C (ambient is 22C), also have 8x 140mm + 1x 120mm chassis fans, i set the curve of all fans to turbo in bios which changes the ramp from 70C to 60C - also to note i did -20 all curve pbo no instability issues yet - ty for your videos
Similar ambient to you and the same cooler. I idle at 40C. Is the difference your -20 offset? Do you remember what you had at stock?
@@steweymacaroon7815 Sorry for the delayed reply, I just saw the notice... Ever since I upgraded to latest BIOS I decided to leave the PBO curve alone and see if it would run hotter - it didn't. Avg idle is more like 33-35C same 22C ambient. The only changes I have in the BIOS now are EXPO I activated and I changed the fan curve to spin up faster when it hits 60C not 70C. I will rarely see 70C and over but it does hit that peak sometimes while gaming.
I’m glad I watched this video. I bought this CPU and a NZXT T120 Dual Air Cooler. Everyone was making it out to be like this CPU required water cooling. I wanted to simplify my build as much as possible so I decided not to do an AIO this time around.
how was your experience with the T120? i'm planning to get it too for the same exact CPU
It's been great! I bought an extra F120P for a push/pull configuration. It sits in the low 40s for idle and doesn't go over 70 C in Starfield or any other game I play. Stays around 25% utilization in game but goes up during loading of course. Even then, it usually hangs around the mid 50s. That might seem high for such low usage, but that's because the boost is running so high. It will throttle down the boost if it hits a higher usage to avoid thermal throttling.
Also, there is a slight temp decrease from running the non-RGB version. The RGB fans don't seem to be as well tuned as the non-RGB versions. Plus, there are two variants of the NZXT non-RGB fans now. The F120Q for airflow(intake and exhaust). And the F120P for static pressure(Heatsinks and radiators).
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@@albi1335 I'm using one on my 7800X3D. Average around 39c. It's really nice.
This is actually an insanely useful video for me, I have my PC case on my desk behind my second screen so thermals are always a priority for me as most of the heat gets expelled close to where I sit, I was already looking at the 7800X3D as an upgrade from my 8700k so perfect timing.
Temperature and heat output are not the same thing. Heat output is equal to power consumption and that's barely affected by the cooler that you use.
Wattage is the only thing that dumps heat into your room.
Bringing a hot cup of coffee isnt going to heat your room up despite its over 100 degrees C
Turning a 1500w space heater on its lowest setting will despite it not being 100 degrees.
If you want to reduce heat output farther you could always enable eco mode which will cut power to just 65W TDP and you'll only lose a bit of performance.
I would avoid the 3D chips at all costs, but you do you.
@@username8644 Have you actually watched GamersNexus. You can buy safely the 3D CPU's as the issues have been resolved sofar. Only thing you need to do is avoid buying an Asus or maybe a Gigabyte mobo just get something from ASRock or MSI as apparently there are no known issues with those. In the past ASRock used to be a bit more conservative with there bios settings.
Well I've got a deepcool LS520 so I'm already over cooled.
Question, ignoring undervolt etc, do you think PBO would hit any limits with wraith prism ?
using a prism for my 7700x, also get's around 85 degrees, it does give a lot of sound when running at a high speed under load, but it's doing really decent!
It's in performance mode btw.
I loved hearing about the case cooling in depth, do you think there is any issue with running 2 aios (one cpu one gpu), stupid question probably
Interesting timing, was just about to planning to order one in the next few days.
As for cooling, I had to get a new cooler anyway so even if it really does not need it, an arctic liquid freezer 420 it is, I personally expect to be using that one for future upgrades as well.
Besides, it really doesn't hurt to have something that only needs to run at low pump / fan speeds.
As for scientific workloads on an x3d, they are actually used for that. Certain algorithms just need loads of cache. Are they thermally significant for the cpu, probably not but still it is an actual use case.
Went the exact same road and no regrets. The 420 is so cheap and putting a 20€ cooler on a 500€ CPU was simply hurting my feelings too much, even if it would have been fine.
i personally really like the Prism, i dont know why but its been my favorite compact air cooler and ive used it for years on my 1700 and now on my 3600, planning on keep on using it on a 7000 series too
can you make a video explain the simple way to get performance with the 7800x3d?, i am a bit confusing, using more watts and negative pbo is the best or just pbo negavite ?
If you cap PPT at 85W and use negative curve optimizer-(15-30) you will probably lower ur cpu temps to 16-20sºc further , keeping the same gaming performance.
I prefer dumping heat into external radiator and not bothering anymore
@@angeltensey based neckbeard gamer ✌️
@@Sleepless4Life sad to be you
@@angeltensey Hey man it was a compliment! No need to rude here fam!
@@Sleepless4Life ok then. though, this your compliment isnt really crystal clear
I'm so happy I came across this video.
Since Alpenfohn's BR isn't AM5 compatible with motherboard's made after March '23, I have had to resort to using the Noctua L9A-AM5 for my ITX system with a NF-A9x25 chromax swap (All parts are yet to arrive) and I was rather concerned if the low profile CPU cooler would be enough for the 7800X3D
Thank you 👌👌
86C according to which sensor? Is this "CPU (Ttcl/Tdie)" in HWINFO or "CPU CCD1 (Tdie)" or "CPU Die (average)"? These modern Ryzen CPUs have a ton of temperature sensors inside and they all show different temperatures. It looks to me that Ryzen Master's temperature matches the "CPU Die (average)" at least on my 7950X3D, and also the "Thermal limit" percentage seems to follow that. And that temperature is always lower than "CPU (Tctl/Tdie)" which can even spike above 89C.
Ever get confirmation which temp is the most accurate?
They're all accurate they sense different things. Most people use the hot spot for it's the most important.
Very helpful. Thank you.
From my experience, when people run PBO CO it's mostly to reduce heat output so they can run lower fan speeds for less noise. If anything, they're expecting to lose a bit of performance rather than gain anything but the performance loss is often so marginal it doesn't matter, while the temps/noise are usually improved a fair bit. 7000 series made this especially prevalent for ITX builds because I guess no one at AMD ever stopped to think about how a 95 C target would affect noise levels.
Usually the other way around, they expect to gain performance with the lower voltage as a bit of thermal and power headroom for PBO to boost higher.
Personally on my 5700x I use it to stabilise higher boost clocks. I noticed in games, without an offset, it can’t consistently boost to the 4.8ghz I set it at (will fluctuate between 4.725-75) but if I use the offset it is always stable 4.8 without drops in game.
A 95C target will improve noise levels because the fans will work less than with a lower temperature target...
Thanks for the video 👍
That's super impressive
But the wraith prism is a 125w cooler or was that only the wraith on the FX CPUs? I run a free prism cooler (from a boxed 3700x) on my 2600x and it runs fine. Barely got lower clock speeds vs the NHD U14S it was under before I got the 2600x using the auto OC. And it runs below 80c. Also the case is hot with my R9 390X OC
AMD really made a name for themselves in the efficiency space once Zen took off. AMD has said since day 1 that V-cache doesn't have a problem with heat, it just fries itself at normal voltages, so it's good to see that borne out here.
I was speculating heat or crosstalk, and I just wanted to say thank you: I hadn't considered the voltage side. After this video, I'm gonna go look that up, but thank you! I learned something from you☺
You should be able to get a stable tune using CO per core. I used OCCT to run single core tests until I had no errors, adjusting core CO values by 5 up or down. My values now vary from 0 to -20 depending on core. OCCT is a weird beast, turn off any mem OC you might have before tuning CO per core.
Try Sha3.
a ram overclock guide for this chip would be great
Same as normal Zen4. Your welcome.
@@TheBlackIdentety ddr4 and ddr5 are not the same
@@cppctek BZ already done hynix ddr5 video
Set soc to 1.75 volts and run it 😂
He made a video about that about 3 months ago for Ryzen 7000 in general and I'm running it with Buildzoids "easy memory timings for Hynix DDR5 with Ryzen 7000" without problem. Works great
Very helpful video. Thank you.
Been running my 7800x3d with my Ole NH-D14 no throttling issues been running this for just over a mknth. I'm happy with the results.
What's your temperatures on that Noctua? I've Got the same cooler and i'm going to buy 7800x3d, wondering if NH D14 is enough for that cpu or should I buy another one and sleep calmly.
Can you answer a question for me. Asus Motherboard PBO Setting, Enabled vs Enchanment (80c-90c) is there a difference between these with a x3d processor. Also is there a difference with a non 3d chip
Is the MSI MAG CoreLiquid 360R V2, 360mm enough to cool the Ryzen 7 7800X3D or is there any better option ?
I'am using 5800x3D with 4 pipes air cooling. I set -75 mV offset, and -30 CO. The highest temperature i have seen was 75 degrees. No permomance losses at all
And with truly explosive performance.
Once the exploadey issues are sorted I think I'll try and pick one up
Just curious, was this video filmed before or after the 7800X3D burnt chip fix was released?
he already suggested the fix of 1.25v SOC 5 days ago
How much is the temp difference maximizing curb optimizer vs stock?
More UA-camrs like this guy please! Thank you.
So I’m picking up a 7800x3d soon and I was wondering if I even need to mess with it or if I can leave it stock. I’ve heard with the 5800x3d it’s advised to use CO on it to help with temps, and as I’m a OC noob when it comes to CPUs I was hoping I could just pop it in and forget it
As always Buildzoid nailed it. All you need to know is basically here. Thanks one more time.
Oh cool. Guess I'll be fine with a NH-D15 I'm going to put on it.
Very informative video but I have an objection: Maybe the CO wasn't what made the testing fail with Wraith Prism but the increase of the power draw up to 155W instead of the 80-90W that the stock 7800X3D consumes? That change alone makes big temp difference for the Prism to be unable to cool.
The two different power limits are the cpu limit and the cpu+gpu power limit... it is an APU...
My friend just got one for his MonsterLabo Beast passive build. Should work well.
I am considering getting a new gaming PC and I am debating between Intel and AMD build. The 7800X3D has cauht my eye but I want to tun it with air cooler for sure so this vide was exactly what I was looking for
Hard to pick Intel when the equivalent cpu was pulling twice the power.
im running a cryorig r1 universal at 23c ambient in a corsair 4000d airflow and im hitting the thermal limit of 89c in cinebench r23. the cryorig r1 universal is a beefy cooler, in league with the nh-d15. i already repasted and reseated my cooler. im also running it at stock setting with only xmp enabled in bios. maybe a busted heat pipe? cpu isnt underperforming or anything i just expected better thermals with my cooler. could it be because it was designed for am4?
I started running the Wraith Prism with the 5800x3D and yea it gets hot but not crazy , maybe mid 80s while playing ultra in cod mw2
Meanwhile my temperatures are miserable with my EK Velocity 1 block. I think it's not flat enough to properly touch the CCD based on the thermal paste pattern when I remove it (big clump of it on the bottom of the CPU). R23 immediately hits 83c and then goes up following the increase in water temp 1:1.
Did you test it in a closed case with a 4090 pushing hot air into the Wraith prism? just asking... I doubt that it will still not hit TjMax even with the GPU just idling. Obviously you won't have as huge consistent CPU loads while gaming but I think if you are doing something else really CPU intensive just a minute after being done with your video game you might get in trouble.
If I wanna check for thermal throttling, I can simply fire up cinebench and if I get clocks under 5ghz, I'm throttling?
I have a scythe fuma 3. Good thermal paste and properly applied. It went all the way to 90 degrees at only 40 percent load and it regularly stays at 75 -80 degrees under light load. I understand that it is normal but I feel more comfortable with it being under 75 degrees under full load. I’m thinking of getting the arctic freezer 420 mm. Would this help?
My 7950x3D with noctua u14s also does max out at 86c during cinebench.
also the most the 7800x3d pulls for me again is like 88W-92W. Which again is due to the fused in V/F curve
can I ask what sort of temp are you getting at those wattages?
Yesss, one important thing to notice is that the Wraith prism is a 105W cooling solution, so it's just made for supporting this kind of processor at most!
7800x3d is 120w 😮
At ambient temp of 20C
Without really knowing the ambient temp increase to CPU temp increase conversion. The AIO would, in theory, give you 12deg to deal with fluctuations in ambient temp.
I am thinking to buy the 7800X3D but my ambient is ~30C and with the lower Tjmax the AIO route looks safer based on these results.
Yeah Ryzen 7800x3d and Noctua nh-d9l works great together (120 TDP vs 140 TDP )
is the endorfy fortis 5 single fan enough?
If the duration of the test had a significant influence over the results, why is that not listed as a separate variable in the spreadsheet?
These videos would benefit so much from a summary section
My 7800x3d goes up to 87 degrees in cinebench with a beefy dual tower cooler running at 80 percent fan speed, is this normal?
What is the CPU temperature when the system is idle?
I am slapping this bad boy under a NH-L12s
I have a 7800x3d, my ambient is 30'c, during a r32 runs, using a NH-D15, it does all the way up to 87~89'c though the thermal limit never actually hit 100% nor the throttling shows in hwinfo. Scores around 18600 with co -25.
The NH-D15 is great for substantial heat loads above 200 W. Plus the thick IHS plays a part here, I guess.
NH-D15 is my cooling plan too. Been holding off on building, I do want a 7800x3d, but I wanted to wait for the early adopters to step on the landmines, and also I gotta figure out what mobo to get.
89C will damange the CPU in the long run. What the hell?!
@@AdrianMuslim No it won't. It's perfectly safe.
I'm seeing similar max temps with a NH-D15 at around 20c ambient, but it slowly drops down to around 82c Tctl/Tdie during the course of a r23 run. I was thinking maybe i had bad contact with the IHS and was considering reinstalling it, but it sounds like those temps might be the status quo with a NH-D15.
and the tests that you did was running all cores at 5ghz and you get this results.?
You mention negative values on CO _increasing_ temperature, but my experience with the 5800X3D is that negative CO values correlate with a _decrease_ in cpu temp. It’s also the only way I can get 4450 on all-core workloads. I’m using a 280 liquid AIO (Arctic LF II).
Should negative CO values increase or decrease temps? Did something change from 5000-7000 series?
Decrease temps by decreasing voltage for a given clock speed
Off course it's increase the temperature on multi cores scenarios, did u just watch his graph table with prism vs aio while he apply pbo??
Aio being able to run the test with -20 pbo while the prism fail? prism fail because the heat was increased ???
Well he just proved it to you the fact that with negative pbo in multicore scenarios like cinebench r23 all cores will boost at much higher frequency and generate more heat, that's why he say the prism fail the test because of the temp.
Negative CO values correlate with a decrease in cpu temp only for a given cock speed! ,or for the same clock speed!, not when the given clock for all cores are going to boosting at much higher frequency,in mullticore cinebench scenarios!
Did something change from 5000-7000 series?
Nothing change it's just like before, only that the fact that you don't understood how pbo working lol, when you use -20 to -30 negative CO what's happen is that the all the cores will boost at more higher frequency in multicore scenarios and generate more heats.
So in multicore benchmark you will see a increase of your temperature because all your cores will boost at much higher frequency than without pbo.
Yes you see decrease in temperature but only at at idle! when is the same given speed at idle!, or when browse net or watching movies or youtube or when you using applications or games that do not use all cores but just few cores ...
At stock frequency my 7800x3d with pbo off, all core boost to 4825 Mhz in multicore, and on single core/ any of the single core hit the 5050 Mhz in hwinfo while browse net or youtube. While with negative -30 on pbo all my core boost will boost to max 5050 Mhz, / and the single core frequency is the same as stock 5050 Mhz because is fixed locked by amd. And yes i can confirm that at 5050Mhz in all cores you get more heat that at on 4825 Mhz stock multicore, not by much if you are on the aio push pull only +3+5C , but on prism you get fail:D
Also is true what he say that is not worth to spend 3 days by tuning you pbo curve per any single core with prime 95 /aida 64 sha3 etc , cause the difference you get in multicore is to little, and on single core the diffrence is 0 gain, cause max freq on single core is the same as stock! cause is fixed on x3d by amd.
In cinebech r23 i'm getting 18460 points at stock vs 18820 points with -30 on pbo ( all cores boosting at 5050 Mhz vs 4825 Mhz at stock multicore, ...so not such a big difference.........., like he said this chip is being all ready tuned for gaming and do not benefit for more single higher clock frequency.
I'm running the 7950x3d with whatever that tiny Noctua slim tower is (it's my backup when I'm not water cooling) and it's running super cool. No thermal throttling at all even when compiling or gaming. I mean he 5800x3d i upgraded from never broke 100w. But i had it under water and it rarely broke 60C.
I also dont know which temperatur this video referring too, Ttcl etc.. My 7800x3d with a deepcool ak500 and a phanteks t30 with 95% fan does around 81-83 (max was 86) in cinebench r23.
But if i use some other sensor (Btw. ryzen master doesnt sho the exact same temp like any of thr sensors HWinfo shows but is like 3 degree lower than Ttcl Tdie.
In gaming BF5 165FSP its around 73° with 65% Fan(silent) on Ttcl but around 55-60 if i look at some other sensors(have to look which it was).
Great stuff, maybe now people will stop being paranoid about cooler selection for this cpu
What the? where is my 30 mins - 1 hour rambling video about temperature? Why I see only 12 mins? who are you impostor bring Buildzoid back :)
Hard to rant if everything is ok!
😅
It's The CPU to buy for high end GPU owners .
Honestly it's a rare CPU where future-proofing is actually a good idea
@@GewelReal especially when you see the Raytracing is stupidly CPU intensive That even the most high end cpus of today can't do more than 60fps when RT is enabled
Ideal for small form factor PC with no compromised throttling performance loss. *
It's the Jesus CPU for gamers. Best performance with no tweaking necessary, and runs cool.
As long as it doesn't melt..😂
@@mcmurder8835 yeah Asus AM5 boards suck this year .
Also early being adopter has its own headaches
I have mine delidded with an axp90x53 pure copper and it loves it.
Nice Noise on air :)
Waiting for this CPU to be around 399. I remember how fast the 5800X3D went on sale.
@KraziAgent let’s take a screenshot of your comment and around Xmas 2023 we will see how well your comment holds
@@Kapono5150 yeah no CPU can hold the price for nearly a year in a competitive market, of course that by christmas it will have dropped
it already dropped in the EU about 30 Euros.
399 now.
@@Touma134 Amazon had it for 349 on Prime day. I had already bought a 7900X for 300 and got my son a 7700X for 265 both new. Maybe I’ll wait for the next X3D cpu.
Anyone knows if 7800x3d won't overclock on Asrock 650 PG Lightning?
How much can we OC 7800x3d on let's say DeepCool AG620 air cooler?
Anybody tried the ID-Cooling IS-55 on this CPU? I’ve heard it’s a great performer but I’m curious to see if it’s enough for the 7800X3D…
I'm getting 90C° all core stocks with thermalright assasin.. What's happening?
Proper in and out airflow too. I know you're testing open bench but it feels like an hot CPU to me, especially relative to the wattage.
do you games or doing stress test benchmarks?
try reseat the cooler, reapply paste, also clean it from dust
OK. Given recent events, this title is a bit... probably going to spark some conversation 🤣
Anyway regardless of what it is about (I'm assuming Air-coollng 7800X3D and it's usually lower temperatures than 7700X), I'm certain it's going to be interesting to watch.
I immediately assumed sarcastic title lol
afaik AMD has already issued a firmware fix
I have 7950x3d and some ppl claims it runs 5ghz non stop with 5250 ghz boost clock, but the boost clock 5200 mhz is only done at start of pc start up, insanely rarely after (sometimes not during a day). I use U12A wich should be more then enough from what i read for these cpu's.
Running -32 on 7 cores and -29 on 1, stable ever since. Max temp about 86c with a around 4850mhz allcore freq, during heavy gaming about 70c max with 5050mhz
Can you recomeng good memory? 2x16
Summer, dust and now the thermal limit is real.
So, if money is irellevant, 7950x3d with the useless die disbabled or 7800x3d?
Useless? I have tried the 7800x3d and returned it for the 7950x3d. Prefer Frequency setting in bios, lasso games to vcache die. On the 7800x3d, when I was doing work in the background, the chip would ramp up and my framerates would drop. This is no longer the case. It's essentially like having one computer for gaming and one for everything else. I like the idea, and it's super nice to be able to compiling, decompression, in the background, while gaming and not lose a single frame.
I had the Wraith Prism on a 7600X while waiting for the 7800X3D it works but its loud as hell!
So I'm planning on under volt and also limit the power. Something along PBO PPT: 88W or 105W, + Curve Optimizer -15-20. So then the Prism will be fine? I really like the look of the cooler.
How did it go? I’m gonna be using a really low profile cooler (small case) as well
@@sam-gz1ql Oh, I made another comment on this vid a month later, after I got it, with a bit of development.
Thing is, I never tried the Prism, I really liked it. how it looks, so I order a new/open box. But there was some problems or something at post office and was gonna take longer than expected. And a tower cooler I had on Amazon watch was on sale so I got that, it was already cheap, Dual 120mm PWM Fans, was gonna use whichever came first. The Raijintek won. I think the Prism would've worked as well. But there are other factors.
My case is the Fractal Pop Air, which came with 3 fans, and is well ventilated, I set the 7800X3D with a PPT of 105, which was unnessesary, I'v never seen it getting anywhere near that. Not even 88W so I could've set for that. My Curve Optimizer is a -39. Don't know if that's the average or I have a good bin. But I haven't had any problems with it. I've run a number of benchmarks and never throttled. Oh also I have a temp limit of 80c. So, PBO with PPT 105W, Curve Optimizer of -39 and temp limit to 80c. And gaming is not a problem because I'm already limited with my GPU, having a RTX 3060 ti.
Also, my room is hot, so the ambient temperature is on the high side. 90f (32c) is an average, with 80f (27c) been considered a "cool" day. And summers can get really hot. Also, my PC is on top the desktop, With only a slightly higher dresser on the side, to be safe it doesn't fall off, 7 inch (bout 17cm) from the back wall, and to it's left, there's not much, the monitor, keyboard and space, then the window, at 43 inches (108cm) window is always open, unless it's raining. So although hot, I have optimal ventilation. Like in buildzoid case.
I don't know how well it would work if you build like a HTPC, and put it on a poor ventilated TV center hole, it might be different. Or if you have AC and don't have to worry about ambient. There's also the dust factor on a box. I, eventually change the fans, adding 2 140 at the front intake running at performance, moved the 2 120 from the front to the top, running silent, the back is balance, or performance, cant remember, I know it's not silent. The purpose is that if your negative pressure is more than what the intake fans supply, air sill start entering through all places, bringing dust with it. When the positive pressure is higher, air goes out through the exhaust fans but some will get push out the case itself. The Fractal Pop has a LOT of holes. The case blowing helps prevent dust from entering through those holes. While the intakes been the arbiters of from where the air gets in, the front mesh gets really dusty on a weekly basis, you can see the 2 circles of dust where the fans are. Easier to clean, and the PC inside has remain clean.
I have seem some good low profile coolers that perform well, and better than how the Prism perform. And although in most cases I believe it will be enough. Unless you are somehow maxing our CPU at all times. But it should be enough, as long as you don't have the worst conditions for where you locate the PC.
I am still considering trying the Prism cooler. But life has been crazy lately. I'd like to log my temps for a week or more of usual use, not benchmarks, but daily activities and gaming. Then try the Prism. Because I really like the Prism look, and that feature that change color with temps. The other coolers I like are the ones that have temp monitor. But most of them shipped to my location at the time of building. And the one that did were too expensive.
If you do build you low profile PC let me know if it works well. I'm building a 2nd later this year, will go with the same CPU, but considering a mATX or even mini ITX.
my 5900X ran so cool with a Wraith Prism when I had the toxic 6900XT water coold GPU - I updated to a 7900XT air card and I needed to go to a NHD15 cooler
I like silence and slapped a Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm on it . beautiful.
Can i use 7800x3d with dark rock 4 ?
I'm pretty new to this stuff, could you recommend a reasonably priced 32 gb ram kit ideally non-rgb? I plan on playing pretty much exclusively in 4k btw
Well, just glad that I bought a liquid freezer ii 420 plus matching case for my new build. 🤦🏼♂️
Should have tested in a case. And maybe a phantom spirit or peerless assassin or something in the mix as well.
Can you redo this with games? would be fun to see the gain or not.
Including a Wraith also makes no sense. The people who will buy a $450+ 7800x3d are not going to run a stock cooler. Put that in a case with any high power GPU that people would typically run with a 7800x3d and you'll be throttling down in no time.
I7 13700k > 7800X3D Jajajaja
CPU loads during gaming are way lower than during Cinebench runs.
You won't even come CLOSE to thermal throtting.
A lot more people will use the box cooler than you'd think and as long as you have decent air flow in your case, the GPU shouldn't be THAT much worse.
Including the wraith has a purpose, it proves a point. If the "free" box cooler can handle it then the $15 tower cooler that's slightly better than stock works too, so people can save money.
@@Kiki-lc3ng So tired of this gaming argument. People do more than just gaming with their PCs lmao. And if you are spending $450 on a cpu, likely $2000+ on the pc easily, than you would probably like to have a cpu cooler than can handle all 8 cores under load and not just half of the cores while gaming. I don't understand why everyone is trying to cheap out on the cpu cooler which is the cheapest part of the entire build, when they are already spending $2000+ on the pc.
Be Quet Dark Rock 4 (200W TDP) cool it easly, and quiet. 7800X3D is so good. 120W CPU work in games like 170W 7900X/7950X even 200W+ 13900K. I hope AMD and board partners resolve soon VSOC, Vcore problems.
noctua u12s 80c with gaming using eco mode on my new 7800x3d on a asus board.
real nice
My 7700x runs very cool normally but the ambient goes up 10-15 degrees when my 4090 gets going. You need extra cooling headroom for gaming with a power consuming GPU.
I use a DeepCool AK620 with my 7800X3D in a Fractal North case and an undervolted RX6800XT.
Oh my... 77°C on full load max in all tests? My die is always around ~83°C with a CO of -39 and a 420-AIO. Also was looking for a 7800x3D voltage "guide" but didn't found any quality one yet.
I am planning to upgrade from i7 9700k. Using classic evo 212 right now. Fan is 10yo but running like a champ. I need to do a little research to check if its compatible with am5 or i need to get an extra bracket. Its got 4 copper pipes and 2 120 fans, hopefully it will work 😂
I did the same chip upgrade, 7800x3d is 11% usage where the 9700k was 100%. This is with a 4090 at 4k. You probably don’t need a better cooler because it just won’t be challenged by games.
Buys a $450 cpu and likely a $300+ motherboard and can't spend $30 on a new cooler....
@@username8644 I can spend a way more then $30 on a new cooler or aio))) It has nothing to do with money, I just really hate throwing away good functioning device (or any other electronics i own) that gets job done to garbage only because it is not brand new.
So it’s safe to run just 1 cpu cable to mobo instead of 2?
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Absolutely. There's never an instance where it's not safe as well, it could just mean your cpu won't get enough power potentially. A single 8-pin cpu cable is rated for 336 watts btw. Most CPUs are not using more than 336 watts.