@@nerdynumen because thermal paste is perfectly fine for something like a 7800x3D. Heck its fine for basically all CPUs... Unless you are constantly pushing max wattage in stress tests. We have far better cooling with PCs than a console which needs to be almost silent and slim. The difference between thermal paste and liquid metal isnt worth it for most CPUs at all.
First video I have watched on my 360HZ Oled that made it feel worth the oled part of the purchase. Your video quality is so good now man. You have come so far it's actually insane to watch. Video quality now matches the review quality.
@@jean-claudejosselin187what are you on about? 7800x3d doesnt get hot at all compared to the 13900k. E cores are basically cinebench boosters. Who in their right mind would pay 500 for a i9 when you can get that level of performance for 399? I dont see how its "too expensive"
@@TheUltraMinebox everything is too expensive those days. not to argue, but i've would have likely payed 330-ish, not 430. and future games may need more cores.......we'll see. Still, too hot. That won't get me to buy Intel, because i would have like 8 performance cores and 4 or 6 lower cores, + IA shabang.......for a good price. truly, there is no gaming cpu @ a fair price and conbining the right tech. money, money, money......... sad time.
@@jean-claudejosselin187 You're not making any sense. Zen4 can withstand much higher temperatures, so it runs hotter by design, it's not a defect. Once it reaches 80-ish it controls its own temperatures automatically, not even 'throttling' it just stops boosting so hard. 8 cores 16 threads is easily enough for anything but high-end sims that can use more cores, but actual gaming performance on the X3D chips is fantastic and the most efficient per watt of power (and heat) by far. If you didn't want an AM5 chip to run as hot, just engage ECO mode in the BIOS. To get the same performance on any Intel chip you're using 2-3x the power and heat. By the way if you want a decent gaming CPU for cheap, go AM4 socket. Nothing wrong with 5700X3D or 5800X3D and there are loads of them on the second hand market right now.
This is actually really interesting, it just goes to show you how held back Zen 4 is purely from the IHS. It's good to note as well that you wont see the CPU scale as well from clock speeds in games that like the cache more. Its good to see you can squeeze more out of the platform, I just wish it was from the FCLK no minimize that latency. I'd love to see an 8700g max RAM OC as that thing is monolithic which means higher FCLK and WAY higher MCLKs. I know that with the 5700g you can make up a lot of what is lost from the lack of Cache by pushing RAM to the extreme. Thanks again for another interesting video
Yup. Same with the Ryzen 5500. I tuned one of those so well it was beating a 5600X using PBO2 handily. All core 4.5ghz overclock and 32GB 4266mhz CL18 with a 1:1 FCLK. Crazy how much performance you can gain from the G series CPU's if you tune them.
The reason they suggested the graphine pad is because it works as well as thermal past and is non conductive and won't squish out when mounting pressure is applied. But yes if you are going to this extreme you should use liquid metal to get the best results.
I had a 13900K, one of the cores became unstable. So I built a 7800X3D system over the weekend and it works better in every way than my 13900K build. Primarily play esports titles, CS2, OW2 with uncapped frame rates and both titles run better and stutter less. Both of them are great however and each have their strengths
@@nivea878 zero AMDip experienced, smoother overall experience with less stutter on the 7800X3D. AMDip is likely caused by pushing the fabric speed to hard and causing instability
@@Shaun-w4c it’s a great no fuss chip, buy inexpensive 6000 CL30 Ram, enable expo and have fun gaming. Really no necessity to push beyond and tweak any further.
@@redclaw72666 Have you had both ? Because I do and the AMDip is not occurring and it affords me a better experience in the titles I play than my 13900K. Seems like you have a bad case of confirmation bias.
2:08 The reason that graphene can be a viable option to liquid metal is that it isn't messy, has excellent conductivity in the planar directions, and is so thin that the temperature drop across the thickness is very low.
I know you don’t like EK but that direct die AIO for intel looking real good after watching Der8auer test it. Hopefully the sponsors send u one for testing :)
How strange is this result when you have 81ºC on the Diode and 70ºC cpu.... My 7800x3d in the same scenario with 5.05Ghz without fluctuations and without using liquid metal, normal thermal paste and I have 51ºC on the CPU and 66ºC peak on the Diode. The cooler is an arctic liquid freezer 2 360 and the thermal paste is one from Corsair.
Pretty shocked it worked, I would want to to see a comparison vid or at least screenshots of the scores for Stock, Delid, Direct Die, and a 14900k in multiple games.
Would you be able to test the 7800x3d dip with the new 6.01 chipset drivers. I personally noticed a massive improvement and way less stuttering with this new driver. Cheers (on win11)
Me too I was having problems with average CPU die temps reaching 130 degree I believe false readings but was really annoying seem to have gone with the latest bios and chipset drivers also mem context restore doesn't crash windows anymore
Yo you should do a skit where someone going to do something to you're computer, and your being held back and you go into the "wait wait wait wait wait wait!!" meme that's all I can think about when I see your thumbnails
I was just about to ask that exact question in the Patreon/Discord. I figured I was missing something. It's definitely been lapped before, but I am not sure if the IHS was removed before installing the AM5 Mycro Die CPU block(and that part was just cut or not filmed). I just purchased one of these CPU blocks a few weeks back with the impression that the block was to be fitted to a completely delidded("direct die") CPU. Always with "the secrets."
Not a big deal, you get most of your performance tuning the ram not cpu. Turning it on will limit ram tuning potential due to aggressive single core oc.
you may be able to get bigger gains on a 7900xtx because SAM would work much better at 1080p with an AMD 7000 series :O (not challenging the 4090, this is just for CPU)
Hey, would it be possible for you to test ram speed differences on 78x3D with new bios/agesa versions in 2024? If i'm not mistaken, in the meantime AM5 can handle higher ram speeds, right? e.g. 6000mhz cl30 vs 6400 cl32. Thank you!
7800X3D is a joke if you are not using games that really supports the X3D cache. I have pretty much the same FPS with my "old" 12600KF vs. this hyped "trash" CPU. 5600Mhz CL36-36-36-68 vs 6000Mhz CL32-36-36-68 = Clown show. Don't step up on the hype train and save your money. Patriot Viper VENOM DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-5600, CL36-36-36-68, on-die ECC is a pretty GOOD kit. 70€ used on ebay.
No one ever mentions the onboard gpu... Im looking in task manager at this mysterious radeon GPU... Im thinking, is it on the board or the cpu... The cpu... wtf... ?? Never knew... Now I DO!!!!!
guys, i saw video where in warzone where he got dip on amd another guy tested it and he doesn't have dip at same palce , this guy is misleading his audience always telling about dip on amd Here is video for proof ua-cam.com/video/fAbqG9l6Z00/v-deo.htmlsi=OGg7_TNXDdGmPOx6
@@astraldivinityyy7852 In terms of silicon lottery I hope you won. I like won but also lost lol. my chip can clock relatively well while using low voltages. been running 6200 CL26. sticks don’t even hit 40c and I’m air cooled.
but hey 1080p you should have test on 1440p thats the sweet spot of most gamers and 7800X3D ? Ofcourse you gonna get 400fps on 1080p, my 7950X3D reach 600fps on 1080p
Not really worth the effort for a 1.5% performance increase. If your already running a half decent AIO it should be virtually silent stock already under normal use.
I just delidded 7900xt and used the RGB direct die version with PBO2 tune using Hydra. I got about 8.5% all core boost over stock and more importantly I'm not stuck a 90 degrees under load like on stock. Now I'm around 79-80 on full load. For me it was totally worth it already and I still have more tinkering to go. Although I will say this. It is expensive. I could have bought another R9 for the cost of my custom loop... but I can continue to use most of it on future builds as well.
OH SO YOUR VIDEO MADE 13K / 3 WEEKS BUT YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW EVERYTHING . LOL FOH THE VIDEO YOU ABOUT JAY MADE 17K IN 3 DAYS. YOUR OWN 13K 3WEEKS. I SEE.
LMAO -"We are going to be using Liquid Metal like a normal person"
😂
Only a half joke, you're not supposed to use thermal paste on a modern cpu die because heat density is too high
PS5 APUs use it, so why don't our high end cpus?
@@nerdynumen because thermal paste is perfectly fine for something like a 7800x3D. Heck its fine for basically all CPUs... Unless you are constantly pushing max wattage in stress tests. We have far better cooling with PCs than a console which needs to be almost silent and slim. The difference between thermal paste and liquid metal isnt worth it for most CPUs at all.
Sure on CPU, but no on GPU.
The sound benefit is the real victory here. I switched to a 360 mm aio from air cooling all my life and I can't believe how quiet things get.
how good must that feel! the cat is loving that neck scratches without the cone! best shot all vid,
First video I have watched on my 360HZ Oled that made it feel worth the oled part of the purchase. Your video quality is so good now man. You have come so far it's actually insane to watch. Video quality now matches the review quality.
6:25 Juffes doing some bechmarks but Master arrives to give you some tips, glad to see the Little One looking better! 😼
This $400 60W chip just ridicules Intel
yes and no. too expensive, too hot, and not enough cores. but 3d cache, and low power consumption
@@jean-claudejosselin187what are you on about? 7800x3d doesnt get hot at all compared to the 13900k. E cores are basically cinebench boosters. Who in their right mind would pay 500 for a i9 when you can get that level of performance for 399? I dont see how its "too expensive"
@@TheUltraMinebox everything is too expensive those days. not to argue, but i've would have likely payed 330-ish, not 430. and future games may need more cores.......we'll see.
Still, too hot. That won't get me to buy Intel, because i would have like 8 performance cores and 4 or 6 lower cores, + IA shabang.......for a good price. truly, there is no gaming cpu @ a fair price and conbining the right tech.
money, money, money.........
sad time.
@@jean-claudejosselin187 You're not making any sense. Zen4 can withstand much higher temperatures, so it runs hotter by design, it's not a defect. Once it reaches 80-ish it controls its own temperatures automatically, not even 'throttling' it just stops boosting so hard. 8 cores 16 threads is easily enough for anything but high-end sims that can use more cores, but actual gaming performance on the X3D chips is fantastic and the most efficient per watt of power (and heat) by far.
If you didn't want an AM5 chip to run as hot, just engage ECO mode in the BIOS. To get the same performance on any Intel chip you're using 2-3x the power and heat.
By the way if you want a decent gaming CPU for cheap, go AM4 socket. Nothing wrong with 5700X3D or 5800X3D and there are loads of them on the second hand market right now.
@@SquillagusNiggle hell yeah! 5700X3D is the best am4 cpu in perf/dollar. Decent b550 at 120 and 250 w/ 5700x3d and 16 Gigs is around 410.
This is actually really interesting, it just goes to show you how held back Zen 4 is purely from the IHS.
It's good to note as well that you wont see the CPU scale as well from clock speeds in games that like the cache more. Its good to see you can squeeze more out of the platform, I just wish it was from the FCLK no minimize that latency.
I'd love to see an 8700g max RAM OC as that thing is monolithic which means higher FCLK and WAY higher MCLKs.
I know that with the 5700g you can make up a lot of what is lost from the lack of Cache by pushing RAM to the extreme.
Thanks again for another interesting video
Yup. Same with the Ryzen 5500. I tuned one of those so well it was beating a 5600X using PBO2 handily.
All core 4.5ghz overclock and 32GB 4266mhz CL18 with a 1:1 FCLK.
Crazy how much performance you can gain from the G series CPU's if you tune them.
The reason they suggested the graphine pad is because it works as well as thermal past and is non conductive and won't squish out when mounting pressure is applied. But yes if you are going to this extreme you should use liquid metal to get the best results.
Graphene is conductive
🤔looks like every PC Tech You Tuber have CATS as official pets in the channel
One of the biggest CS2 tournaments in the world has completely switched over to AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D chips 'to ensure a smooth esports experience'
They cant spend time to ram oc individually lol
@@PatrickH-u8w thanks for the input
I had a 13900K, one of the cores became unstable. So I built a 7800X3D system over the weekend and it works better in every way than my 13900K build.
Primarily play esports titles, CS2, OW2 with uncapped frame rates and both titles run better and stutter less.
Both of them are great however and each have their strengths
@@nivea878 zero AMDip experienced, smoother overall experience with less stutter on the 7800X3D. AMDip is likely caused by pushing the fabric speed to hard and causing instability
Sold my 13900ks system for a 7800x3d system due to instability couldn’t be happier.
@@Shaun-w4c it’s a great no fuss chip, buy inexpensive 6000 CL30 Ram, enable expo and have fun gaming. Really no necessity to push beyond and tweak any further.
@@thefreemarketeer765you keep telling yourself that when you play games lol might as well make a channel then to point it out instead of commenting
@@redclaw72666 Have you had both ? Because I do and the AMDip is not occurring and it affords me a better experience in the titles I play than my 13900K. Seems like you have a bad case of confirmation bias.
"And we're Gucci" 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
I am running a cryo pad on my 13900KS decided. Works great and fixed the EK issue.
THE CONE OF SHAME KITTY....
Naw poor thing was sick and had surgery
2:08 The reason that graphene can be a viable option to liquid metal is that it isn't messy, has excellent conductivity in the planar directions, and is so thin that the temperature drop across the thickness is very low.
Gonna delid my 7800X3D after noctua comes out with the NHD15 v2. Itll be cool af in my Fractal Torrent case.
Placing that CPU on that deskmat (which looks extra susceptible to ESD) is just scaring me
The in-take and out-take are mixed at at the cpu cooler. The Thermal Grizzly AM5 Mycro Direct-Die has the in-take at the bottom
I know you don’t like EK but that direct die AIO for intel looking real good after watching Der8auer test it. Hopefully the sponsors send u one for testing :)
Thermal grizzly will soon bring a Lga 1700 Mycro Direct die
Love you Lyla, glad she's ok
Juffes, what do you polish your chiplets with
How strange is this result when you have 81ºC on the Diode and 70ºC cpu.... My 7800x3d in the same scenario with 5.05Ghz without fluctuations and without using liquid metal, normal thermal paste and I have 51ºC on the CPU and 66ºC peak on the Diode. The cooler is an arctic liquid freezer 2 360 and the thermal paste is one from Corsair.
Pretty shocked it worked, I would want to to see a comparison vid or at least screenshots of the scores for Stock, Delid, Direct Die, and a 14900k in multiple games.
2%. That's it. Save your money for Zen5
U definitely should give it a try to the kryosheet, is way better than carbounaut and performs the same or even better to a regular thermal paste
Kitty ending = best ending
Would you be able to test the 7800x3d dip with the new 6.01 chipset drivers. I personally noticed a massive improvement and way less stuttering with this new driver. Cheers (on win11)
Me too I was having problems with average CPU die temps reaching 130 degree I believe false readings but was really annoying seem to have gone with the latest bios and chipset drivers also mem context restore doesn't crash windows anymore
@@levispartan1993130c !? you might have other problems
AMD the algorithm 🎉
Bruh, imma let you know the ultimate oc ai cheat.... Set abt enable, specific core ratio to all core desire -subrtacted from bclk oc. Core ratio auto
Yo you should do a skit where someone going to do something to you're computer, and your being held back and you go into the "wait wait wait wait wait wait!!" meme
that's all I can think about when I see your thumbnails
That was impressive Legend.
Damn, I would love to be able to buy them already delidded. Better packaging and less money for not be forced to pay that IHS.
Perfect for ITX watercooling ✅
That cat rules!
conversion of AMDip into AMDDDip ? :o
Now compare with direct die 14900k
Probably not worth it for just 2% perf. Save the money and put it on 9800X3D or something lol.
You get less latency on dual ccd’s anyway so the 3-4ns reduction is worth it
Positive CO on bclk?
cpu looked like it still has it's lid
I was just about to ask that exact question in the Patreon/Discord. I figured I was missing something. It's definitely been lapped before, but I am not sure if the IHS was removed before installing the AM5 Mycro Die CPU block(and that part was just cut or not filmed). I just purchased one of these CPU blocks a few weeks back with the impression that the block was to be fitted to a completely delidded("direct die") CPU. Always with "the secrets."
Like - for the cat
How the fuck this cpu works at 80 celcius while drawing 67 watt power?
AMD moment
@@RyanFennec D E V I L said AMD magic
But why 1080p testing tho ?😅@@thecatdaddy1981
How the fuq you get that waterblock I haven't seen it anywhere
ive seen it on amazon
you got an affiliate link for the byski ram block?
Will there be a video about OC AI on Asus boards?
Not for a looooong time, I’m too backlogged
Not a big deal, you get most of your performance tuning the ram not cpu. Turning it on will limit ram tuning potential due to aggressive single core oc.
you may be able to get bigger gains on a 7900xtx because SAM would work much better at 1080p with an AMD 7000 series :O (not challenging the 4090, this is just for CPU)
Hey, would it be possible for you to test ram speed differences on 78x3D with new bios/agesa versions in 2024? If i'm not mistaken, in the meantime AM5 can handle higher ram speeds, right? e.g. 6000mhz cl30 vs 6400 cl32. Thank you!
7800X3D is a joke if you are not using games that really supports the X3D cache.
I have pretty much the same FPS with my "old" 12600KF vs. this hyped "trash" CPU.
5600Mhz CL36-36-36-68 vs 6000Mhz CL32-36-36-68 = Clown show.
Don't step up on the hype train and save your money.
Patriot Viper VENOM DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-5600, CL36-36-36-68, on-die ECC
is a pretty GOOD kit. 70€ used on ebay.
Is the hotspot temp on a gpu critical?
Where is the hotspot temp sensor located on the rx7900 xtx gpu ?
Hotspot is the hottest spot of the chip. It's what you should look at.
No one ever mentions the onboard gpu... Im looking in task manager at this mysterious radeon GPU... Im thinking, is it on the board or the cpu... The cpu... wtf... ?? Never knew... Now I DO!!!!!
Bro when r u gonna start using quick disconnects these test system swaps taking alot of time for you
Thanks for the video 👍
how in the hell did you even get that? I can never find one.
It’s work with air cooler?
Em. You do no the licuid metal can harm the cpu no?
Ok, stupid question, does the 7800X3D still suffer AMDip, had to ask as I thought they fixed the issue with this particular chip ?
You only get 'AMDip' if you don't know what you are doing in the bios. Basically, leave FCLK alone
guys, i saw video where in warzone where he got dip on amd another guy tested it and he doesn't have dip at same palce , this guy is misleading his audience always telling about dip on amd
Here is video for proof
ua-cam.com/video/fAbqG9l6Z00/v-deo.htmlsi=OGg7_TNXDdGmPOx6
@@mitsuhhhe is deleting my comment because the truth came out from video
What bykski block on the memory ?
I always stay for the kitty video at the end! 🐱
🐐
I got my 7800x3d with a bundle in microcenter for 224$ for the cpu and 174 for the motherboard 😊
That’s wild I payed 370 for the cpu & 250 for the mobo in December
@silfrido1768 no fr i was shocked when i seen the price lmaooo i got an amazing deal.
@@astraldivinityyy7852 In terms of silicon lottery I hope you won.
I like won but also lost lol.
my chip can clock relatively well while using low voltages.
been running 6200 CL26. sticks don’t even hit 40c and I’m air cooled.
Kryosheet as a tim is better than everything else but liquid metal.
Will that work on non3d chip?
this would be a lot more useful if it was also compared to stock alongside the other results
Now let's see some chilled water FAFO
Make direct die with low profile cooler please! For itx lover please!!!
Why does the L2 says 1mb ?
but hey 1080p you should have test on 1440p thats the sweet spot of most gamers and 7800X3D ?
Ofcourse you gonna get 400fps on 1080p, my 7950X3D reach 600fps on 1080p
no way actually working product
You just reminded me why Im so glad I found your channel and didn't go with AM5
horrable camera work, power consumption not addressed, so bad :(
Thumbs up, but only for the Kitty!
OK, its run in asynchron 102 MHz.
kitty
Not really worth the effort for a 1.5% performance increase. If your already running a half decent AIO it should be virtually silent stock already under normal use.
I just delidded 7900xt and used the RGB direct die version with PBO2 tune using Hydra. I got about 8.5% all core boost over stock and more importantly I'm not stuck a 90 degrees under load like on stock. Now I'm around 79-80 on full load. For me it was totally worth it already and I still have more tinkering to go. Although I will say this. It is expensive. I could have bought another R9 for the cost of my custom loop... but I can continue to use most of it on future builds as well.
6:08 i 10:14
Bykski rulez :) ❤ Lyla :)
Hmm... My new PC setup is right next to me on the desk - 10900k 5.2 4090FE - faster and quiet sounds quite good
custom loops 🙏🏻
Still have my 5800X3D, mostly just playing escape from Tarkov now.
Very nice CPU
Undervolted mine to 0.975v and went from 86c all the way down to 52c when I game❤ soo good for 1440p
Very similar experience. Uses 88w now for 4.45GHz all core with all cores unparked and idle off. Zero issues at -30 CO.
Cant get above 5050mhz with this cpu;)
i clicked this video to help your channel, nobody cares about amd man... mouse backed immediately...
OH SO YOUR VIDEO MADE 13K / 3 WEEKS BUT YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW EVERYTHING . LOL FOH THE VIDEO YOU ABOUT JAY MADE 17K IN 3 DAYS. YOUR OWN 13K 3WEEKS. I SEE.
Amd platform keeps looking better and better almost wanna bite the big one
dude has no idea what he’s saying what a disaster
They must change the ihs for zen5. It's ridiculous
Didnt' you say your done with this cpu, that it sucks ? 🤣🤣 Jufes finally converted to A-massive-dip
Lmao, wild beef crill
ahhh the famous "7800x3d frame dips cause infinity fabric or some shit" lmaoo. sad
AMDrip
Beef crill
for AMDeep fanboys, just buy an Intel :))))
Meh, I use both. Looking forward to my Intel Meteor Lake laptop from work and may get a 14900ks for fun and tinkering
ahahah fps values become worse, cause u dont know how to overclock... lmao... clock stretching for sure, and not stable. youtuber 🤣