Kreia Manipulates Mandalore the Preserver
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2017
- Kreia has words with Mandalore the preserver, formally known as Canderous Ordo. Kreia uses his respect and loyalty to Revan to reinforce his commitment to protecting the Exile.
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#StarWars #KOTOR2 #Expandeduniverse - Ігри
"Forget the Jedi. Keep your eyes on her." - This entire game summed up in two sentences
wdym ?
@@oaples8790 Finish the game and find out.
@@IhsaanS Truer words were never spoken.
lol
100% facts
Those two lines.
"Do you wonder where he wanders now, Mandalore? Why he gave you your orders, then abandoned you at the edge of the galaxy?"
"How do you know that?..."
Gives me goosebumps. The way Kreia says it in such a powerful, demanding, yet soft and calm tone. The way Mandalore replies back. You can tell he's scared. Not in a physical danger scared but afraid of what the witch says and knows.
Brilliant voice acting and writing for a game.
Feels like death. Cold and silent. That is why life is so warm and death so cold.
2:30
That question has some chilling vibes, you can feel Mandalore's heart sinking upon the realisation that she knows. The voice acting in this game is pure unmitigated awesome.
*"How do you know that?"*
Always gives me chills.
It’s that line that made this one of my favorite scenes. The best being The Reunion.
God tier delivery
the level of burn Kreia can dish out is truly impressive
most impressive.
1:35 Canderous is actually a fascinating character and Kreia hits the nail exactly right on the head here. He's built his entire identity around being a Mandalorian, dedicated his life to it, but his people were nothing but pawns in a larger war between the ancient Sith and the Jedi. Canderous is worried that the Mandalorians will never recover from their war, and that the peak of his culture is already behind him. He's desperately trying to cling onto an empire that has already fallen, and will never recover. His crippled body and scattered clans can only do so much, and we know it wasn't enough.
Canderous being worried about Kreia is very telling. Forget the “You were the bad guy all along!” twist of the first game; Kreia’s reveal as the Sith Lord was, for me, one of the BIGGEST twists in gaming, if not ever made. This game, while unfinished, is amazingly crafted.
NO, I AM THE SITH.
Search your feelings. You’ve known it be true.
Kreia is a Z tier character. I've seen some bad and some really good Star Wars character but she was written a cut above the best.
Pound for pound the best dialogue exchange in kotor2. EVERY line in this scene is a banger
Curiously Kreia says to Canderous exactly what i think we'll see in The Mandalorian, the man behind the armor looks like he's carrying a whole culture with him, remarkable for the glories of the past, but with no present or future
Her state of Mind is of semi relying on instincts as a source of rationality. Which made her a master manipulator, because She is able to analyse the pattern of his behaviour based on rational identification with the factors that influence his inner balance.
@@kazuhachi952 what does that mean? What book is that in lol
@@JJoh4040 it means that the exposure to the light and dark side made the core principles of kreia change. She see any motive with perspective on its flaws and advantages.
@Darth Sidious She specifically says she was once a jedi and sith. How both teachings just go nowhere. When confronting Atris, you talk to Kreia through holocrons that were her own sith teachings. How she hates them both. That's why she is Darth Traya, the Betrayer. She betrayed both jedi and sith to wipe out both sides of the force.
Even without her exile, I feel she would have arrived at her hatred for the force and wish the death of it.
This comment didn't aged well
One of my favorite clips, Obsidian elevated the same archetype Bioware use (Merc of a warrior race that is defeated and broken, Wrex/Canderous) to someone who wants to relive his glorious past and pursue his traditional purpose, instead of being disillusioned with his own people and their traditions.
That's a good point, for some reason that never occured to me to compare Canderous and Wrex. By the way, thanks a lot for super thanks. I normally get to comments faster but I got really sick recently. Today I feel well enough to answer some comments.
Statement: Of all meatbags, Kex may very well be the worst at using a hydrospanner I've ever seen.
Agreed
HK-47, do you know what love is?
@@itwontcomeout5678 *Answer:* Many organic meatbags find that question difficult to answer, but I believe I can provide you with a satisfactory definition.
*Definition:* "Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope.
@@itwontcomeout5678 you had ask didn't you
@@itwontcomeout5678 Love is making a shot to a knee of a target one hundred kilometers away using an aratech sniper rifle with a trilight scope.
Man, this game was so well written and ahead of it's time. This is, and remains the reason why I stayed a Star Wars fan. It's why I hold it to such high standards. These little gems are magical.
When a simple conversation in real Star Wars grabs your attention more than anything Disney Wars.
Kriea in my view is the best written character in the franchises history.
Ah shit.. Here we go again 🙄
@@haydnplaysgames she even foreshadows events that will happen 4000 years later. Kreia was the most knowledgeable force user in existence.
"Real Star Wars" god you are so pathetic
“And perhaps all that remains will be what I see before me: a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians.”
*You know.*
Once this was the concept behind the Mandalorian Show. Oh, how things turned out badly on that one.
1:02 that Mandalorian in the blue armour may as well just stand between the two of them with his arms crossed listening intently 🤣🤣🤣
She actually gave him some good advice though. Even though the Mandalorians faded away, their honor and legacy still remained.
She always does if you look beyond her offensive demeanor she even gives good advice to atton
That one blue mandalore who watches the entire conversation.
*Kreia roasts Mandalore* "Ooooh shiiiit!"
I wonder if Kreia actually knew what happened to revan or if that was just manipulation.
She had the ability to read/sense people's thoughts and feelings; and if the thoughts/feelings weren't clear or detectable, she could use insight or context clues to deduce what a person was hiding.
Yeah that would make sense... There are no thoughts that go hidden from kreia lol
Knowing Kreia, it's most likely a little bit of both.
I doubt it, at the end of the game, she encourages the exile to find Revan beyond the outer rim. But I guess Kreia had a good Idea of WHY Revan ventures to the outer rim.
I think she pieced together Revan was after the true sith empire. There's some dialogue exchange, if I remember, where you can tell her the sith have already attacked us, and she basically scoffs at the idea. She knows this is bigger than any of them, and I think she infers Revan figured that out
It's been 10 years since I played this game and I am just now realizing that Canderous Ordo is the Mandalore. DAMN!
Lol
its true tho, mandalorians did die a slow death, by the time of the original trilogy they are but one or two mercenaries and no longer had the influence to mount any offensive of impact.
Wrong. By the end of the Galactic Civil War, Boba Fett became mandalore and helped fight in the Yuzong Vong wars.
Could also call Deathwatch a crusade as well, although their leader's honor is a hollow lie that is easily dropped when faced with possible defeat.
kakashisensei9258 But you also have to remember by the legacy era the MandalorianShe were practically near extinction and in another Civil War
@@kakashisensei9258 The Yuuzhan Vong Wars are now non-canon. Boba Fett is currently in the digestive tract of a Tatooinian Sarlacc.
@@primotef8863 And what is "canon" is 99% garbage so I will take the "non-canon" over it.
Similar to this fictional people, I also come from a people/tribe who suffered innumerable genocides, and I always wonder/dread will we rise again, or will we die a quiet death. Truly a disturbing thought.
Perhaps your people will rediscover themselves with the legacy of a new cause, and perhaps the only thing that will truly die are those who know nothing but genocide.
Who are your people?
@@muhdaqeel7330 Probably native american
@@Code_Machine Ok.
just a side note, that ship is extremely thin
It isn't a combat vessel, its a scout ship designed with sensor technology in mind. It serves its purpose of making runs between the Mandalorian camp on Dxun and Iziz, and making sure nobody follows them on the return trip.
Kreia gives zero fs
The tale of Cando is unfortunately a tragic one, it's sad to see that he, who has at the end of KOTOR realized that the old mandalorian way has major flaws and that they need to adapt in order to survive, reverted back into a stubborn war vet who still believes the old way right. Probably because Revan, who made him see the error of their past, abandoned him and without leadership, he fell back to what he knows, Cando is no leader, he's a Warrior.
Now all that is left is doing all he knows and try to fix his culture in his own way, thats why Kreia really got to him with her every word. Deep down he knows this is not the way
As Kreia said, redemption is a spiritual collapse few recover from.
I find the idea that a warrior should doubt war is as strange as an engineer doubting his trade. Inauthentic for someone to kill their entire life, but suddenly doubt it, because reasons. Sure it can happen, but the storytelling trope is overused. Every single war drama include existential doubt that civilians face killing for the first time. Not everyone are as squeamish. Some enjoy fighting. It sounds disingenuous when an extroverted person who choose war, and enjoys it, is "forced" to let it go and become this introverted recluse and pacifist. 😄 I don't believe that shit for a moment.
At least he dies the honorable way, in battle
Except he didn’t. At the end, canderous promises that he’s Revan’s man until the end.
Even before that, he says that there needs to be more than just simply bloodshed without a purpose. His purpose was to rebuild the mandalorian clans. If that means he has to fight and spill blood to rebuild them, then so be it, but that’s his purpose.
There was no “redemption”, just a change of purpose.
Kreia was actually right, despite Canderous' efforts there never was another great Mandolorian crusade, and the Mandolorians were pretty much extinct by the time the true Sith empire revealed themselves hundreds of years later. They wouldn't be there to help as Revan & Canderous intended. But the new Mandalore did at least preserve/gather the clans long enough to play a big role in destroying the Sith on Telos, thus saving the planet & playing a big part in saving the galaxy, even if their intentions weren't exactly altruistic. That would turn out to be their last big battle, and in that sense they did hold true to Kreia's parting words. Not long after the time of the Mandolorians came to an end, but their memory & their honor at least to an extent remained, and that legacy would one day give rise to the new Mandolorians, even if took a thousand or thousands of years for it to come into fruition.
Bruh that actress taught a lot people life lessons even while walking the line between sith and something else
100 Persuade vs This is the Way
Wait so if Kreia is subtly manipulating most of Meetra’s companions to keep her safe, then why does the council say that Meetra is a leader and attracts people to her? When in the context of this game, Kreia is the one practically keeping people loyal to the exile?
I think I know. The exile as a wound in the Force unconsciously attracts other force sensitives. Mandalore is not force sensitive. But her naturally being a leader she still influences everyone around her, true. Mandalore has very strong ties to his people. Kreia wants to make sure that mandalore doesn't automatically side with mandalorians over the Exile (or knowledge of Revan) if it comes down to it. At least make him think about it. Make him doubt.
Mandalore/Canderous has faced sith, jedi, the republic and has fought against the odds over and over again living for every moment of it.
But right here, he's scared.
When people say they are scared of their own shadow, they forget what power a shadow actually has. The past is a shadow and it can consume us in darkness.
Imagine a KOTOR 3 with Chris Avellone ❤️🔥
It'd be owned by Disney. No thanks. It'd be garbage just like the rest of Disney star wars. One person wouldn't change that.
The way he delivers “how do you know that…” was sooooo goood
And for some reason Kriea's words echoes still to this very day (The Madalorian Season 03)
Btw. Canderous ordos Voice actor of is the Same Voice actor as Solidus Snake
Somehow that comment made me think David Hayter (Solid Snake) would be a great voice for a Mandalorian character
@@BFCrusader too Bad the voice actor died :(
If anything scares the Mandalorians, you know they're bad news, whether for comfort or for discomfort.
I remember watching this dialogue for the first time, didn't knew that Canderous was actually Mandalore The Preserver at that point, but then in the dialogue with visas after the fight with nihilus i remembered this dialogue, it was perfect, truly poetry, this is a masterpiece by obsidian, so sad that the whole narrative of the criticism of the jedi code wasn't supported by lucasarts in that time, we could've get so much more...
God Kreia is delightfully avellonian.
what does avellonian mean?
@@aegeanghost6261 Written by Chris Avellone, who has some tropes you can pick up in his writing.
This shows you that they are their own end. Their culture demands sacrifice and it will not rest until the culture is abandoned or dead.
Holy hell the blue dude laying on some thick Aussie accent
1:51 a dark prophecy that was indeed foretold
Helluva a way to ask a favor, lmao.
I love this game though
Did Mandalore know who the Exile was? Or for sure he finds out in Act III?
I can't remember since playing
Like if he knew that the Exile was the one who pulled the trigger on the Mass Shadow Generator? I'm not sure.
He does know. There's an interaction where Bao-Dur and Mandalore talk about the mass shadow generator. So Mandalore definitely knows it was Meetra who gave the order.
The Golden Age of SW...
Before the dark times, before Disney!
Does Canderous ever take his helmet off in game? I have never seen him do it when I played.
There's a model for him without his helmet, but it's never used. Supposedly he can't take it off. He's got kind of a Darth Vader thing going.
THIS IS THE WAY
Mandolore Rose again
Its so odd playing Kotor and noticing the parallels with Mass Effect, particularly with the krogan and the mandalorians. Listen to Canderous and hes a dead ringer for Wrex
Another conversation between a witch and a soldier with a familiar ending is not so surprising
*_HoW Do YoU kNoW tHaT_*
Ever wonder what if the mandorlains won the war against the republic before the Jedi got involved.that
Mandalore claims that with the resources of the core worlds, the war with the sith would have been a walk in the park.
@@PapitoQinn It might have been because the mandalorains would had been at strenght with billions in troops and ships the Jedi probably would have fought with the mandalorians against the Sith Empire when they did come. Of course those loyal to the Republic would never forget the Jedi let the mandalorians conquer the Republic.
I love to see that kind of what if. The Sith did not want that they just wanted both sides to be cripple but if the jedi did not get a chance to join the war it would had resulted into a strong mandalorian empire and military power.
I realized now that kreia and theresa from fable has the same voice actor, Just epic as fuck.
Oh yeah! That is Theresa!!
despite how strangely similar both characters are, Kreia is voiced by Sarah Kestleman and Theresa by Zoe Wanamaker.
Fable 2 kinda frustrated me as a game, and theresa was a cool character but kreia is another level.
Fast forward to the end of Star Wars Legends and the Mandalorian were still thriving.
The one thing I'm confused about is that Kreia implies that the Mandalorian served The master who abandoned them after giving orders [Revan right?] ??
The other thing is that we never see Kreia give the Mandalorian an answer either or at least on the playthrough I did?
@Darth Sidious T3 Knows? :O Is this canon???
@Darth Sidious
She knows about Revan going to deep Unknown Regions because of the Ancient Sith Empire - she says it at the final duel on Malachor V, if I remember right.
HAS ANYONE ELSE come here after seeing the latest Season Finale of The Mandalorian??? I couldn't help but think of how Kreia's words have echoed through the Force up until the time of Din Djarin, and the fall of the Galactic Empire. The Mandalorians have historically sided with the Sith and Empire, but Din Djarin is the one who could tip the scales. Through his heroic actions, he has brought the opportunity for TRUE REDEMPTION to the Mandalorian people so that their culture and way of life can truly be preserved as they can choose a new path, one where they turn to side with the New Republic and most notably, the JEDI. This is TRUE STAR WARS, where everything comes full circle.
"It's like poetry, it rhymes." -George Lucas
I get what you're going for but Mandalorians as a whole didn't always side with the sith and Empire. Even though Rebels is pretty meh, majority of Mandalorians hated the empire especially after they purged their planet. By the point of the OT, Mandalorians were splintered, fractured and were more or less nomads, so Kreia's words ring true (largely because Filoni is a huge fan of this game and KOTOR I).
Before OT during the Old Republic era, they were manipulated by the Sith into starting the Mandalorian wars which kicked off the Jedi civil war and the return of the true Sith empire/Valkorian. Back then they were still more or less a force to be reckoned with and a key player in the galaxy until eventually the Mandalorian civil wars just before the Prequel Trilogy.
Before the prequels, Jaster and Jango took down 98% of Death Watch before they had to trick the Republic and Jedi into intervening where they installed Satine and her dumb pacifist regime (which I'd say helped caused the purges and full fracturing of their society during the OT since she thought it'd be a great idea to basically castrate Mandalore by exiling every single warrior and warrior clan, the only ones who'd be capable of fighting off the Empire later)
I'd define them as more a victim of circumstances, since they've proven to be the most capable warriors in the galaxy, and since the Jedi and Mandalorians are culturally opposed they often conflicted. Sith were an almost natural ally if they weren't so keen on selling them out either, but if you're familiar with Hegelian Dialectic, where two opposing cultures/civilizations face one another and the results of the conflict form a synthesis, I think that's what happened with the original holder of the Dark Saber who was a Jedi and a Mandalorian. It's possible Din will be the next Mandalore and deciding factor in more or less synthesizing Jedi and Mandalorian culture. Din may not be a Jedi but he's familiar enough with them at this point
@@MrKILLINOOBZ I didn't say they ALWAYS did. Just that it was an often occurrence and that they were not always on the best terms with the Jedi.
@@MrKILLINOOBZ Also, it's kind of evident and self explanatory that this support of the Empire by the Mandalorians does not include their rule under Duchess Satine but especially not the period after the Great Purge, hence why I said "historically." There have been exceptions where Mandalorian rivalry with the Jedi was resolved in positive ways such as with Tarre Vizla, the first Mando Jedi but by and large since the SWTOR era, it has MORE often than not been the case that they have only sided with the Republic out of selfish self interest and manipulative reasons NOT for the purpose of a TRUE alliance due to aligned values (granted that's been their way to act out of self interest but they have often willingly sided with the Empire/Sith/anti Republic entities due to like values). By the time of Din Djarin, I would say their people are truly broken (once again) having seen the results of siding with and trusting the Empire to the point where true change and evolution can occur on the cultural level within Mandalorian society, i.e., a turning away from their less noble tendencies under a new Mandalore and the start of a more genuine alliance with the Republic (although no one ruler can control every single clan).
Mandalore should never side with Jedi... or Sith. They are their own. This is the way.
The Supercommando Codex was the future but Death Watch turned traitors as they are prone to do and threw Mandalorians into civil war once more
No cap
Filoni and Disney made this propercy a reality, madalorian lore burned
Is this cannon?
Not anymore. Not since the Disney acquisition.
@@PapitoQinn bummer
@@empress9554 Dave Filoni is a huge KOTOR I and II fan, particularly of Revan and Nihilus. He'll likely reintroduce them at some point since he's been toying with the idea for a while, and even gave us an easter egg in S2 episode I of Mandalorian with the Krayt Dragon.
There was also an easter egg in Rogue One where a "Hammerhead" vessel plunged into a Star Destroyer. "Hammerhead" was the Old Republic warship at the time of Kotor 1 and 2.
@@MrKILLINOOBZ Revans existence is canon since rise of skywalker and i'm sure he will also get some backstory, it's just questionable how much they stick to the legends version.
I refuse anything made by Dave Filoni. He turned the Mandalorians into a joke.
Das Institut sorry I have to disagree when we have death watch, clan visla, clan sacson, Darth maul’s death watch. If you really think about it death watch kinda felt the same way you do.
He turned these OP Mandalorians into more realistic and relatable characters. Thank goodness the current Canon erased many filler.
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Clone Wars is an awesome tv show.
The Mandalorian partss of Clone Wars were shit (along with Mortis, tbh), but the rest is a solid show