Is Oil Dilution Still a Problem for Honda CR-V & Civic? | Exploring the Issue & Debunking the Myths
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Does the 1.5L Turbo GDI engine in the Honda CR-V and Honda Civic still suffer from abnormal oil dilution? In this video, we take a deep dive into the issue of oil dilution and see what normal and abnormal oil dilution looks like. We also talk about the fixes/repairs that Honda issued for the 2017-2018 CR-V and 2016-2018 Civic, the extended powertrain warranty, causes of abnormal oil dilution (extreme cold, short trips) and if the 2019/2020 models are fixed. We hope you find the video informative!
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I've been driving and working on cars for a very long time and oil dilution isn't normal.... period - full stop. And just saying it is, doesn't make it so! And I'm getting really tired of companies fixing mechanical problems by simply re-defining the word "normal". Like a friend that just had his head gaskets replaced on his Subaru... and strangely enough he told me it was "normal" for Subarus to need head gasket replacement... NO! Blowing head gaskets are NOT normal! Oil dilution is NOT normal! It's due to poor design, cheap parts or poor build quality.
If you are going to take your customer's hard earned money engines that run right and transmissions that shift right should be the only thing normal about them for at least the first hundred to two hundred thousand miles...
@RJ THANK YOU!!!! Well said. I need you to go to the dealership with me so you can tell them this!! I’m so tired of hearing that the excessive oil dilution is normal.
@@shocksemler8145 Sadly, I doubt that your dealer can fix the problem, which seems to be inherent in the design... so when they say it's normal, they mean normal for that particular model.. Very likely, all you can do is to sell that headache to some unsuspecting fool and get yourself a car that's designed and built right. It's unfair and unjust, but when you buy a lemon you usually lose. That's the way it's always been. My rule with loser cars is to get out from under them before they eat you. Bad usually becomes worse over time. Best luck.
I AGREE...I CANT ARGUE WITH THAT.
@ RJ Thank you. You are right.
@R J: Speaking of potential lemons, I have a 2014 Nissan Altima, original owner, 35k miles. I baby it. I’m sure you’re aware of the CVT issues in these cars, so I’m wondering your thoughts, as to whether I should keep it or sell it. It runs great, no issues with the transmission or anything else mechanically to date. Maintenance is up to date.
Why can't we just go back to regular fuel injection? just to save 1-2 mpg is ridiculous. You will spend more on repairs then you save on gas.
@Jeff Sol I agree, my '99 Camry is one of those sweet spot vehicles. It was like winning the lottery when I found it with low miles! It's been 7 years now since I bought it and I've just hit 123K miles on it! It's my only vehicle and I drive it everywhere, even though it's now 21 years old!
@Jeff Sol There are engines with both port & direct injection on the market.
Still I want to avoid DI and CVT.
You would need to bring back carburetors and they would fail emissions tests. We eliminated them in the 80’s, also the mechanical ones were replaced by electronic ones. Basically we still use electronic but they are more efficient now. They are also easier to maintain. I had a fuel injection problem with every car except Honda, the carbon buildup is no longer an issue due to VTEC and GDI. It actually has to do with the tumble flow and valve angle. Basically the valve is still down when the gas mist flows through the chamber so there is still some valve cleaning that is being done. At the end of the day though it’s really the driver that determines carbon buildup or really anything related to car longevity
@@SCraig-Handsome Some VW mechanics says that it is possible to slow down carbon buildup but not eliminate it in VAG engines.
Toyota has a D4-S, both port and DI.
I do not think there is any valid excuse for carbon buildup from car manufacturers.
The dilution in Honda is caused by low friction (loos) piston rings. Again, reliability taking a hit for decent numbers on the brochures.
Waldemar Ishibashi had Toyota’s for 20 years, switched to Honda and no repairs since, had 2 Siennas with fuel injection problems around 110,000. Always had to get injection service with them, very reliable overall but not as reliable as Honda. Service is a lot more expensive, same with Hyundai, no repair issues so far but higher maintenance than Honda or Toyota. Honda is just better at building engines and Toyota is higher risk due to innovation. Honda will wait to do more research before putting new stuff into the hands of consumers. VW I have never owned one but really hard to find now due to emissions problems
BEFORE YOU YELL AT US BELOW....
We are impartial towards oil dilution. This video is intended to INFORM and takes into account both what CR-V owners and Honda say about the issue. We're not paid by Honda, but we just wanted to provide some clarity into the situation since it concerns a lot of viewers.
Car Confections You didn't mention the oil itself or more specifically the additive pkg is being redesigned to be less prone to dilution. This new 0w16 oil is being referred to 0w16b. Also the oil dilution problem in the Honda turbo engine is (rumoured) to be caused by slightly smaller pistons and rings being used to reduce internal friction resulting in better fuel mileage. Has this specific issue been addressed by manufacturers? That is a question no one seems to be answering.
I LIKE LOUD SPEAKERS 0w-16 isn’t new that’s been around since the 90s
f181234 the new oil I was referring too is not out til mid year 2020. Its a re formulated additive pkg. I thought I had made that clear in my original post. Sorry for the confusion.
I LIKE LOUD SPEAKERS you should edit your post because that oil 0w16 been out for years
If you read carefully he says 0w16b and NOT 0w16..... it's been redesigned/upgraded
As a owner of a 2018 Honda CRV in a cold climate and having all the updates done including the last which involves an interior warmer, further programing changes, a circulating coolant heater of sorts and some kind of change to coolant flow I do feel that the cabin heat and oil dilution issues are improved. Not fixed but improved. Though ambient temperatures in my part of the world have not been severely cold my oil level runs about 1/8" above full which is no where near the 5/8" it was at the beginning. Now with the use of the interior warmer on cold start I turn the heater fan and the temperature setting on low. The warmer, heated seats and wheel has made the cab bearable and possibly due to the other changes, the engine warms up much quicker especially when it does not have to heat the heater core as well. As soon as the indicator is solidly in the gauge I turn up the temperature and put it on auto. Yes I will pay a bit more on my power bill but it is more comfortable. You refer to short trips being a factor but realize that it has to run for a long period after it reaches temperature to vaporize any gas in the crank case. In my experience 10 mile trips is not enough and long road trips have not lowered the high oil level much. Not happy about having to change the oil more often to extend engine life. Just thought I would share. No more Hondas for me.
i cant blame you ...if thats the case thank god i dont have any issues with my crv...not yet anyway but, i use my remote start to give the engine time to warm up. Any issues crop up like that on mine.....i am TRADING IT PERIOD, I WONT TAKE CHANCES.
That much fuel going into the engine oil is still a serious issue. Diluting the oil with gasoline, which is not a good lubricant, will cause accelerated wear or damage to the bearings, cam journals, and other components inside the engine. That unburned fuel is also washing oil off the cylinder walls, causing accelerated wear of the cylinder bores, piston rings, piston skirts, etc. The engine will begin to burn excessive oil as the wear worsens. The worst part is that if the engine already has an issue with excessive oil dilution, that unburned fuel in the oil will mask an oil consumption problem because the oil level on the dipstick won't appear to be moving. You might even think the oil dilution issue was "fixed" by Honda or just went away on its own. However, if you were to send that oil to a lab that does used oil analysis, it will come back as having an excessively high amount of fuel in the oil --- your engine burned 3 quarts of oil in 5,000 miles, but the engine dumped 3 quarts of unburned fuel into the oil so the level on the dipstick never changed. Your engine would have ran on a 50-50 oil/gasoline mixture.... yikes.
If you had to get a Cr-V, find a 2019 or older model with the 2.4L.
I am genuinely disappointed by Honda because they used to make great cars. Several issues that I have personally encountered:
Around 2010, they switched their paint to shitty water-based paint and all the models from that era were affected. Honda expects people to park their cars in the garage, as a result, only garage-kept Honda's would avoid the paint de-lamination. Not everyone has access to park a car in the garage. Honda knew about the paint issue, and would only offer recalls on popular/expensive models. The dealership also knew about the issue, and they stated that they were not fixing it. (My fiancé has a 2011 Honda Fit in blue, and the paint on the roof started fading in 2015)
Oil dilution is not normal, so stop calling it normal.
totally agree. Stop calling abnormal things normal. Whats going on with USA???
@@davrontosh7657 business
@@davrontosh7657 It's an issue that affects these brands that people just assume are rock-solid reliable based on past vehicles. Companies like Honda and Toyota have been given a pass for so long that they started letting quality decline and brushed serious issues under the rug. My wife and I have owned a few 2010+ Hondas and Toyotas and the experience has been very eye opening. Quality and reliability have really slid. My new Tacoma was a total lemon - transmission problems, engine stalling issues, electrical gremlins, misaligned truck bed, hood fluttering in the wind, rear differential howling so loud I could hear it over the radio, etc. My wife's CRV was similarly plagued with issues including the crankcase flooding with gasoline.
@@karlschauff7989 imagine the other brands, Toyota still the benchmark on reliability all over the world
I suppose I'm lucky to be still driving a 2007 Accord.
Paint seems fine. Aside from the rusty areas.
Saying the engine oil level will rise past the full mark is normal is nuts.....
Ozark Life Not really, I’ve seen it across many brands. I work in a shop
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
You should listen a little closer as he never stated that. What he said is that oil dilution is normal for any engine and that is a fact. What I'll add is that with a normal engine it is very, very slight to almost negligible. So not even noticeable.
@@TheCompyshop not really, I have a shop and most vehicles are the opposite, I did see this on several CR-V but in cold climate, Honda has a problem here. I know of a guy who had his bought back, at first Honda had him come in every 2 weeks for oil change and when they came up with the first "fix" it would still be an inch above the full mark in 2 weeks, stalled out, lemon buy back. But "normal" sure
whats disturbing to me is the amount of youtubers with the 1.5 crv that have fairly long commutes to work (20 miles each way) or who go on a long road trip that still report high levels above the full line . So that theory kinda goes out the window
Thank you, Your video was the first I've seen, that explains Honda engine oil dilution in detail.
Glad you enjoyed!
Ron Kipp, I concur.
I know a CR-V owner who told me that the fix was ECU programming to direct the heat to the engine instead of cabin that makes the inside of the car stay cold until engine warms up, and extension of the warranty 1 year, which is ridiculous in my opinion. In fact China told Honda to stop selling cars with this engine until issue is completely resolved, something that will never happen here, because of business interests and lobbying.
The engine is supposed to restrict coolant flow when it's cold so that it can reach operating temperatures faster. It's normal.
yea chinas laws and hondas are different because they have different engines. Yea, china knows how to eat their young but they dont no deffective cars on their roads. chop chop.
@@clarencewhite6053
I'm going to give you an opportunity to rethink your comment.
I think China has got a nerve.. Every machine they build falls to pieces 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
it is NOT normal. just cuz honda says it does not make it true. no car i’ve ever had has had any ool
dilution. zero.
I had this problem on the 1.5T Accord. At least I had the dipstick that smelled like gas and very overfilled all the time. Sometimes the car would stall or stumble when starting. But I was always able to start it the second time. I was not confident in the car and got rid of it.
I have an 04 Civic and it's tough as nails. After watching this video I'm going to look at the Mazda 6 as my next purchase even though I was looking at the Accord. Thanks.
If you wait for the new Mazda 6, there will be more options such as a plug-in or inline 6. The current generation is very well tested and reliable though!
@@ljpr360 Good luck with that. Research the whining sound they make and Mazda changing out the entire transmission.
dont think changing oil more frequently is an acceptable fix
@Anubisavi He said She said
Anubisavi RAV4 has 16,000 km change interval
Beware is all im gona say!! And i love Honda but refuse to buy crap!👍
@Anubisavi
Unless you're using conventional motor oil, which is rare in modern cars, there's no need to change the oil after just 5,000 kms. It's both wasteful resource-wise and financially. Synthetic blend is safe to use under normal conditions for up to 8,000 kms or 6 months. Full synthetic goes up to 12,000-15,000 kms or 1 year.
@@Lucky8s believe that marketing bs if you want. I'd rather spend the extra money on oil rather than a new engine. Auto manufacturers have an incentive for you to wear your engine out in 150k miles so believing them just because they say it means nothing.
The trouble with fuel dilution is that it breaks down the lubricating film that separates the metal parts... making it more likely that you'll see scoring up and down the bores.
Even small amounts of fuel in the oil seem to result in scoring of the bores as it's a common problem in many different direct injected vehicles... as they age.
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Checked my nephew's 16 civic. As soon as I popped the hood i could smell the gas. It was over half inch overfilled. It was very thin black runny oil. I advised him to changed the oil immediately. He told me the maintenance minder was only at 60%......... I closed the hood and went inside....
The exact fix for these cars has still hasn't been explained. Honda tells there customer to live it nothing more be done. People really don't understand cars and will probably drive it till it conks out on the highway. Let's see how all this plays out over time. I'll stick with port injection non turbo engine vehicles for now.
Maintinance minder is fake. Planned obsolescence.
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
The real issue is that when there is so much gasoline running into the crankcase to cause the oil level to rise, it dilutes the oil to such a degree that the oil is no longer thick enough to adequately lubricate bearings and other other components inside the engine. A couple quarts of gasoline in the crankcase will cause significant damage to the engine. Also, that much fuel running past the pistons washes the oil film off the cylinder bores, causing excessive wear to the bores, piston rings, and piston skirts. These Earth Dreams engines are going to live significantly shorter lives and will almost certainly have oil consumption issues very early in their lives.
@@karlschauff7989 These earth dreams are an earth nightmare lol. I hope all used buyers avoid them at all costs.
Not only is the oil diluted and thus effective, but it's also gas in there which is a solvent. It's a double whammy. The fact Honda got away with it (failed lawsuit) and claims it's fixed after a software update is sickening.
When listening to this review I started to grin when I heard, "well, the gasoline gets stuck between the piston and the cylinder wall". Sounds very high tech explanation. My 2.7L Diesel turbo has no oil dilution with 10K miles change intervals. With the high compression of this little 1.5L motor, the direct injection, the turbo engaging and some cold temperatures if you buy the Honda at this time you will be in a world of hurt within 5 years. Some drivers like acceleration and the turbo coming in really does the motor no good. I have instructed my daughter to buy the Rav4 with 2.5L and Toyota's combination of port and direct injection with a lower compression and no turbo business. The daughter has a heavy foot on the gas pedal so the Rav4 with 8 speed automatic vs. the Honda CV transmission was the way to go. The Rav4 will get a little better gas mileage than the Honda and probably last way beyond 200K miles. I suggest trading your 1.5L turbo Honda for a different brand at your earliest opportunity. Just face it: the Honda 1.5L turbo motor is a disaster and there is no way out of it so do the trade. There are a few 2.7L Diesel turbo vehicles around Chicago that have 500K miles and one man has 800K miles on his and he buys tires same place as I.
Very informative! We have a 2018 CRV and a 2018 Civic. We live in the south and drive on the highway to work everyday so I haven’t seen any problems. Good info, you did a great job explaining it.
Have you pulled your dip stick at regular intervals. and checked for over fill ,and smelled the stick for gasoline? If not, I suggest you get in a regular habit of doing so about ever 1,000 miles . My understanding is before the mileage reaches 70,000 miles due to the gasoline diluting the oil ,serious problems develop. Sorry !
Yes, if I had that vehicle I would definitely pull the dipstick, check the level, and definitely snif the dipstick every 2 weeks.
Sadly this takes what used to be a great manufacturer out of consideration. Until a mechanical redesign is put in place, it’s not fixed. All too often manufactures resort to a ‘remap’ as the solution. Excessive fuel making it past piston rings is beyond that. We are in an interesting period where many have been caught out by direct injection. We’re seeing the migration to port and direct which hopefully will take care of the majority of the carbon issues.
I agree. Honda quality has gone down in recent years. I say that as a long time Honda owner. Pretty sure I am switching to Toyota or Lexus next time around.
I live in Ontario Canada and have a 17 CRV 1.5 litre...The fix corrected the problem and I have no issues....I presently have 62000 kms on the car.
Nice that you covered a subject most hosts would shy away from. A plus in your rating.
Thank you! It's certainly controversial!
Keep in mind that driving very short distances on a regular bases with any gasoline powered vehicle is considered a harsh driving environment. That then calls for more frequent oil changes. Aside from fuel getting into the oil and never being burned off (so to speak) there's also the problem of condensation accumulating (water) in the crankcase also raising what you see on the dipstick.
I bought the 2020 Civic with the 2L, since it is not only the engine that does not mix oil and gas, but this K-series VTEC engine is a multi-point (port injected) engine. I do not have to worry about carbon buildup like on the 1.5 turbo. For anyone deciding on a new Civic, I personally think you should still avoid the 1.5 if you are expecting typical honda reliability and go to competitors like the Corolla or Mazda 3, but the 2L is probably one of the most reliable new cars you can buy.
07 civic coupe with the 1.8 liter. 215000 mile going strong. No cracked engine block yet. Put a bmw float switch in the coolant reservoir to an indicator light in dash just to keep a lookout for slow leaks.
That's pretty reasonable
Honda The Power Of Dreams im pretty sure the 2L engine is direct injected as well
@@CJ-ce7xq No, Honda's website says the 2L engine is Multi point.
Well, I own a 2018 CR-V with this 1.5 L engine. It has 44000 km on it and I never had any problem with it, It kept 7L / 100 Km since I bought it .
Very happy with it.
I was watching another video about the oil dilution, and they were saying the ones with problems are the people who are running the engine cold, and driving a mile or two then shutting the engine off on a regular basis. If you are driving and warming up the engine, especially in cold weather, they haven't had any issues.
Problems with engine longevity aren't going to show up after 44,000km.
@@DarrenX9 What I meant is that I never had any problems with gas being in my oil. No scent of gas or high oil level.
@@ham3749 am from Kenya,East Africa and I am planning to buy the 2017 honda crv with the 1.5l vtec turbo engine. I live in a hot area with an average temperature of 40 degrees Celsius and it barely rains.So would I be safe if I buy a 2016 or 2017 honda crv with a 1.5l turbo engine?
Any problems with the 2020 Honda Accords with oil dilution and the 1.5 turbo engine?
who the hell going to buy when there is confusion related to oil dilution? who will keep going to change oil frequently when you purchased new CRV? practically nonsense
i will
@@luke4701 enjoy
Friend it still is a serious problem as my 2019 has excessive oil in the crankcase, and now I have a real problem as what to do about it!
@@w.a.holland2239 that’s why I bought the 2.4l engine.
Thanks for the well articulated perspective on this issue. The graphics are super helpful, and the overall presentation is very well done. Hopefully Honda will continue to stand behind these vehicles.
Thanks for the feedback. This was something a little bit different than usual for us
@ dan339g That’s the problem. Honda DOES NOT stand behind these vehicles. They say nothing is wrong. Smelling gas fumes and a dip stick that smells like pure gas is totally “normal.”
LOL a well articulated Honda corporate propaganda response. IT Is NOT FIXED
Awesome 👏 vídeo...
Very interesting and informative 🙌🙌
Does anyone know if this problem extends to the Accord 1.5t, or are there differences in the combustion that don’t cause this?
The Accord is impacted too. My 2018 Accord Sport 1.5 6 speed just had the entire fuel management system and cylinder head replaced after multiple check engine lights and stalling issues. Honda didn't say it was oil dilution, but all the symptoms point to that and carbon build up. I'm only at 25k miles! I love my car, but I won't put $6k of repairs in this car when it's out of warranty. Also I drive 80 miles a day of highway round trip each day for work. I rarely do short drives.
That's terrible. Although I despise the 10th gens exterior and engine choices I'd have to say the J series V6 is the most reliable engine Honda ever put on the Accord
How do you only have 25k miles on it while driving 80 miles a day since 2018?
HydraliskX If he bought it mid or late 2018, 25k would be about right.
@@HydraliskX I bought it used, not a new purchase, sorry should have clarified that.
@@HydraliskX He could have purchased his 2018 Accord is say December 2018 and some dealers would have 2018 models until Jan/Feb 2019. So it's possible his elapsed time with the car is 1 year. The math supports him if he works 5 days a week and has weekends off ( 5 days x 80 miles per days = 400 miles a week. 400 miles a week times 52 weeks in a year is 20,800 miles in one year )
Thank you for this. Still trying to decide which I’m buying, this or the RAV4. Leaning towards the RAV4 but I’m in love with the space the Honda offers.
Rav4! No question
Rav4 100%
Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Depends on your priorities and which looks nicer to you. RAV4 has gas tank fill up problems as well
@@judgefredd33 But one has no oil dilution issue, Toyota
Logic Do your research on all the vehicles you like. The Honda does have the oil dilution problem. I have a 2019 and wish I had known about this issue. I would never have purchased it. I don’t know a lot about the RAV4 but like I said just research thoroughly. Good luck.
Ok so I have a 2018 CRV with oil dilution. I had all the updates done and still have no difference on how high my oil is reading on the dipstick. Way over the full mark. If this fix is what has already been done in the newest models how has the problem been resolved??? Sorry I forgot it’s normal to have gas in your oil!!
Honda SHOULD HAVE done a recall on all the vehicles having oil dilution. That's why I won't by a Honda any longer, they don't stand by their products
i dont even look, i just drive my car. I aint poppin the hood on my crv thats their job.
Same thing here. Dealer (after consultation with Honda) decided to change oil for free, updated software - but I have still the same problem. After 3000 miles the oil level is > 0.5" above original level. Is it at abnormal level - they will not define it. To me the video here is addressing oil dilution same way as the dealer does. Using word EXCESSIVE oil dilution without define it is useless to all honda owner. After all there the oil dipstick is there for visual indication of oil level.
I just bought the 2017 crv EXL and I also have the same issue with the oil dlt,, what should I do or contact please thanks,,
Ok it just me or is there bad weather in basically every car video you guys do. Feel bad for you dudes, it’s always raining or snowing in your videos LOL! But props to you guys because you work hard at this.
KY weather fights us hard sometimes but works gotta get done one way or the other! 💪
Used to be a fan of Honda. Had a 2006 Honda S2000 and absolutely loved it. Best car I ever owned. These newer Hondas don't seem to be as good quality. I've owned Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai and never had a problem with those manufacturers.
@Official Jonathan - Do you own a newer Honda to corroborate your belief? I actually bought a new 2017 Honda CR-V Touring at the end of 2017 and absolutely love it. I'm also impressed with the high quality. I've never had the "oil dilution" problem since day one. - I'm still a Honda fan: The Honda Civic Type R Destroys The Competition - The Best Engines: ua-cam.com/video/BtkGMUY-4hs/v-deo.html
Dude Honda still makes good cars.... I now own Civic Type R and it is a beast of a car! They are not affected by the oil dilution problem. The K20C1 is one of the best engines ever made. I used to have an AP1 S2000 and the Civic Type R blows the s2000 out of the water. Handling and acceleration/speed is superior in the FK8 Type R. I recommend you test drive a used one.
@@eddiep812 The Type R engine is a marvel of Engineering, it almost has a vertical torque curve. I have had my Type R on the highway and when safe, I did some short pulls... it is shocking how effortlessly it pulls to 120mph and will keep pulling hard (but I let off becuase I dont want to lose my license). It is like Zeus's Chariot. Something about the way that engine makes power. I also own a WRX STI and the STI engine (ej257) just cannot compare to the Type R engine (K20C1). The STI feels broken in comparison lol. Only reason I keep and drive my STI is the AWD is better for bad weather.
Prior to buying my Type R. I test drove a 550hp(estimated) Supercharged 05 Mustang and a Mustang GT350, neither of those cars impressed me as much as the a Civic Type R did.
I bought Toyota for 20 years, switched to Honda, saved a ton of $$ and never had a repair... my 2011 Sienna engine seized due to a engine belt issue and destroyed the engine.... $4,500
Anubisavi same for me, Toyota is not as reliable as Honda and their service costs keep going up
My 2019 CRV has the oil dilution problem so it hasn't been corrected
I also have a 2019. Living in Canada driving about 5 kilos to work and I am seeing some increase in the iil level but not sure if that is considerd abnormal oil dilution. Some questions for my edufication. Are you living in a climate where it goes to below 10F. Do you drive short distances? Has the dealer confirmed that you have a problem or what criteria do you use to say that your oil dilution is abnormal?
Beer Stein I live in south Texas and have a 2019 CRV that has a very strong smell of gas coming from under the hood and the dip stick smells like pure gas. I’ve taken it to the dealership twice and of course they’ve told me nothing is wrong. I know this is not “ normal “ even though they say a small amount of gas does get into the oil with these particular engines.They ( Honda) don’t specify what a “small amount “ is. If your oil level is increasing it is from gasoline; and that’s not a “ small amount “. There is a place called Blackstone Laboratories that will analyze your oil for contaminants. I hope this helps you somewhat. We’re all in the same situation. Good luck to you.
I also have a 2019 CRV and haven't had this problem at all.
Shirley Shawhan If you have the 2.4L engine you won’t have the dilution problem. It’s only in the 1.5L turbo. If you have the turbo and you’ve had no problem all I can say is that your very fortunate.
@@shocksemler8145 I have a 2019 CRV with 1.5T with 12K miles. I have zero oil dilution but I live in California and all my trips are over 20 minutes. I must be lucky too as I can't believe people would make this stuff up.
Thank you for a great explanation of the oil dilution issue, now I understand.
I had 2020 CRV and it was still reading on metal part of my oil dip stick above max marks. Could you please define what is normal vs excessive oil dilution? I also had dealer look at it, all they did is changed my oil and when I asked them what is normal dilution they said that there is no open re-calls for 2020 that is because its still new. There is a reason why China rejected proposed Honda fix and force them to re-call them due to reliability/safety concerns in their country and also to protect consumers. I ended up taking a loss and trading it for other non-Honda vehicle.
There’s no oil dilution on my 2020 CR-V, even today, -12 Celsius with the wind chill (10 Fahrenheit)
@@SCraig-Handsome FYI In any GDI engine there will be some oil dilution part of engine life cycle. What people on the internet speak of, is an excessive oil dilution. If you have zero oil dilution you must not be driving your car, in that case congratulations.
Lone Wolf are they warming up their car for 10-20 minutes? If so they are running it at 800 RPMs in mild weather, you need to get the engine to 2,500 RPM. I had a fuel injection problem in 1996, I was told to get it to 2,500 RPM as soon as I could for the engine to burn off the gasoline. Fuel injection has been used since 1894, this is nothing new. Eventually I had to get the ECU replaced which improved the situation but due to a design flaw engines back then could get flooded with gas if you idle them, even in cold weather. It’s uncomfortable sure but all you have to do is leave the heater off until the engine temperature gauge get to about 1/3, then turn it on. The critical temperature is about 550 Fahrenheit, get it to that then you can turn on your heaters and entertainment system. I only drive 8km to work (5 miles) but it usually gets to that before I park, then I’ll do some driving on the weekend to make sure I don’t have any issues. Not a big deal and it’s worked with Chrysler, Toyota and Honda PFI, GDI any type of fuel injection
@@SCraig-Handsome I drove my 2020 CRV for 25miles to work and 25 miles back it has had plenty of time to get up to operation temps. I still had an issue with oil reading on my metal part of the dip stick even after dealer looked at it and did oil change on it. It was Mon-Fri I just get in to my Car and go.On top of that thin low friction piston rings which do not help in this case. People and Engineers in China understood this issue. That is why government stepped in and forced Honda to re-call them instead to playing around with ECU flash/reprogramming, That way consumer was protected. Here in US I can't say the same. I ended up trading that Lemon in and that is end of story for me. As for others I can only be certain in my case. But feel free to ask people in comments/other forums etc.
Maybe if Honda will bring diesel to US I could give them another chance, but not now
Extended warranty on top end only? What about the bottom end(crank,rods,bearings,rings etc.).Is Honda pulling the wool over are eyes?
Exactly! Any good mechanic knows that gasoline cleans ,meaning ,that excessive gas in the crankcase will absoutely create a major engine problem to the internal moving engine parts.......
I own a 2018 CRV that had the oil dilution problem. The problem was very real. Based on dipstick measurements ie the distance between full and 1 quart low, my car was 2.5 quarts over filled. This was with 40% of oil life left. The engine only holds a little over 3 quarts when full. My oil was almost 50% gasoline! I have photos to prove it. Honda updated the computer in January 2019 and it seemed it
I’m really disappointed, I was planning to buy a new CRV very soon. Not anymore, guess I’ll buy the Toyota RAV4.
Same thing here. I have 2018 CRV _EXL had it at the dealer 3 times for oil dilution,. They said "it is normal" , however they agree to change oil at no cost to me (think about it - sounds suspicion?). They also changed the software, but the problem is still the same. Dealer, neither Honda can't define the abnormal oil level. They can't define excessive oil dilution either. However, they standing behind oil viscosity specification, Dealer refused to provide oil sample for independent oil analysis.
seemed it what?? Fixed it?? I have to know lol
We have a 2018 jazz 1.3 is this problem with this car its an earth dreams engine,in the uk
Hello, Can I do an oil change 6 month even the mileage is less than 3000 miles? Manual spec on my car say 3000miles or 3 months is recommended. So can please explain why 3 months only even the oil is used for less than 3000 miles? Ty
I wish the Honda (as a whole company) has some balls to say this in public not you guys!
The Honda?
Honda did, they later did admit the 1.5L turbo engine with all these environmental concern is an issue. Hence they extended warranties on all 1.5L turbo owners.......They also acknowledge the fact a lot of the owners are having engine stalling, misfires, and lack of power issues....This is the new generation of problems by sticking a turbocharger while downsizing engine.....The engine of that small just can't handle the amount of engine pressure to compensate for the lack of power.
@@441meatloaf They should bring back the 2.4L Engine that is not tubrocharger for the crv, accord and the civic as well as to fix their weak automatic transmission!
@@raymondali3688 Thats not gonna happen anytime soon with the way how emission controls are getting tighter. But at least subaru is still using bigger engines and putting turbos on it like their new 2.4L or mazdas 2.5L turbos.
@@441meatloaf if emissions controls were tight then why is Toyota still making 2.5L engines as well as v6 and v8 engines
I got rid of my 2018 Civic because of this issue. I measured the amount of liquid that came out of the crankcase on my final oil change and the amount of fuel in the pan accounted for just under 10% of the liquid. That's nearly 5 times higher than what's considered normal.
Blackstone Labs indicates that 2% or less is within the normal range. In retrospect I wish had purchased the 2.0, but that's a moot point now.
Moo point. Like a cow's opinion.
Glad you were able to get rid of that junk. Atleast there are some ignorants who thinks this is Software issue, or not even understand/know the issue. Honda has been sleezy off late with their fixes.
Does this also affect the 2018-2020 accord ?
Just bought the 2020 1.5t civic with the manual transmission, fingers are crossed after reading some of these comments.
I own a 19 civic hatch and I remember hearing about the problem with the Crv. I remember changing my oil and smelling a strong smell of gas. I contacted my dealership and they told me it’s only with the Crv. After about 6 months Honda said it’s also the civic now and they have an update for the software to fix it. I took it in got a free oil change and update and tbh I think it’s fixed I smell no gas in my oil when I change it now.
I just got that update and oil change in my sedan. We shall see.
@@halcyonoutlander2105 because it doesn't fix the problem - I have the same issue after their "rework". Can't fix faulty hardware with a SW patch.
No, they don't have it fixed.
The problem appears to be the GDI design, forcing too much gas into the combustion chamber with a stronger pump than is typical for direct fuel injection on a Vtech engine. If you want TDI buy a turbo diesel. Gasoline is a surfactant, not a lubricant.
my 2020 Si dipstick smells like straight fuel.
First of all, you're giving us the manufacturer's mealy-mouthed explanation of the problem. Second of all, the results of oil dilution probably won't become apparent until well after that six-year warranty expires. Honda needs to extend it to 10 years. Thirdly, auto manufacturers are famous for not honoring warranties on older vehicles (see Ford's dual-clutch issues). And finally, the 1.5-liter turbo is also used in many other Hondas including the Accord. Is this something we should be worried about with every car that uses this engine? Since Honda clearly doesn't want to admit they have a problem, I would suggest avoiding all models with this motor until long term data can be collected. It's really a damn shame. Honda is famous for making reliable, long-lasting vehicles. This is the kind of scandal that can destroy a manufacturer's reputation.
I think if Honda does not have a real fix for the engine they need to buy those vehicles back or put in new corrected engines. Expensive for Honda? Yes, of course...but they owe it to the consumers who bought these defective turbo GDI engines.
Well said. They lie a lot.
Exactly. The author of this video is just mindlessly repeating what Honda said. Seriously suggestions like "don't use your vehicle for short trips", "Spend a fortune in frequent oil changes" and so on are straight up BS. And he didn't address the fact that those "fixes" they did on the previous models didn't fix it then, so why would it make a difference now?
Theres the oil dilution and the CVT transmission and head gasket failure rate etc. Walk away!
so is this and the heater not heating the car cold climates fixed in to 2022 also? there are complaints about the vehicles not getting warm inside
glad I found your video. we are currently shopping for a 2020 CRV and dont want the turbo engine for this reason PLUS the cost of maintaining or replacing a turbo in general
Just serviced a couple of 2020 CRV’s on its very first oil change at 4K miles. Was aware of this issue so I always investigate. Dipstick wreaked of gasoline and was passed the full mark.
Is this only the Turbo model? Because the Honda Fit uses the same L15B1 without the turbocharger..
I'm looking for a car that wont give me headaches (literally and figuratively), confirmation on this would be nice.
@@The_Noticer. Wrote this comment a year ago. A lot of 1.5T’s have been showing up high mileage at my shop with no issues even with the fuel issue - I wouldn’t hesitate. If people can put turbos on stock Honda engines pushing 300/400hp no problem, I would trust the company itself to make its own turbo engine.
@@lunchonthehood5675 Alright. I guess putting in GF6A into it, running good fuels and once in a while jetting the intake with PEA will make it last a good while then?
This Honda APOLIGIST (Video poster) says it only was issue up to 2018 models ....so he's wrong.....I read it was beyond 2018 in different article as well..
@@lunchonthehood5675 Maybe not engine failure 'yet' ...but as you know gas in oil is causing premature engine wear so it's only a matter of time...
Well done video, thanks for taking the time to make & produce it. The issue begs to question, however ... why has no one mentioned doing an oil analysis on a 2019 or 2020 with this turbo engine? That would settle the issue once and for all. I'm just a little uneasy about taking the word of Honda Corporate ... need to see PROOF from an actual, daily driven car.
Personally ... I'm skeptical that the problem is resolved.
Thanks! We would've done just that, but this CR-V only had 1,000 miles on it, so it would have proven very little
@ Steve Brackett I have a 2019 1.5L turbo CR-V and the oil dilution problem has not been resolved. Honda will tell you it has though.
@@shocksemler8145 THIS IS TRUTH. HONDA is propaganda to cover their mistake
Looks like the oil dilution issue continues to exist on 2019 CRVs. My CRV with 5400 miles is due for its first oil change. Oil level is significantly above the max indicator and to make matters worse it appears that I have an oil leak from the rear main seal. Not acceptable for a new car. I checked the oil level when I first purchased the car so I know it has increased. Im in SoCal and we do make frequent short trips. Has Honda done anything beyond extend warranties on the older models??
Does accord earth dreams have oil dilution issue
Great job Drew and Mason on explaining the oil dilution complaints and what Honda has done to fix the issue! I know every auto manufacturer looks for ways to make a more cost efficient product with great fuel mileage while still meeting all the emissions regulations. So seems oil dilution issue was a hiccup they experienced trying to improve a power train that I felt was not broken and more reliable (their naturally aspirated engines with non-CVT transmissions.) I still have a 2012 naturally aspirated 2.4L Honda Accord Coupe EX with automatic transmission. She has given me zero issues. I just keep up with regular maintenance and she still purrs like a VTech kitten. That is the Honda quality and reliability that will always hold a special place in my ❤️. Next baby will have electric motor, instant torque, zero emissions (model 3) and we shall see if she will have same reliability that I have come to expect for a daily driver.
Hearts re given to this guy! What is this St. Valentine's Day!
How about the Accord engine same deal?
If the accord has the 1.5 then yes same deal
does anyone know the engine code that's used in the stepwagon 1.5 ? ( 2015 onward )
but what about accord 1.5 t ?? As I know they are equipped with the same engine.
Well explained, thank you.
There is talk that a new 0w-16 engine oil is coming out soon that is more gasoline resistant. The local dealer has a lifetime warranty, if you always go there for service. In the past, some dealers offering this went out of business, so it was the lifetime of the company and not how long you owned the vehicle. I am waiting for the April issue of Consumer Reports magazine at the library, that has reliability ratings for the last 8 years.
@@spoton3278 I agree, it is difficult to find people who will truly honor any warranty. They usually find some bullshit excuse to screw you and save their money and time. We bought a CX-5 instead of a CR-V. Mazda reliability has been improving the last few years, since they parted ways with Ford. The year old Consumer Reports top ten list for reliability has the CX-5. Their newest top ten list for reliability has the MX-5 Miata, CX-3 and CX-9. They do not take any advertising money from car brands, so hopefully they are more honest than JD Power.
Hey everyone does anyone know if this oil dilution problem exists on a 1.8 2020 honda civic? I've been looking all over the place and i can't find anything on it. Been wracking my brain for what car to buy :(
The Accord also has the 1.5T. Issues there like the Civic and CRV?
So I buy a new car and now I have to worry what kind of trips I’m gonna be making. This is major and huge dealbreaker for me. Based on customers review this issue is not resolved for 2019 and 2020
J this is not fixed. There is dilution and the service dept at Honda will say it’s normal.
Your engine will break down.
@@hiteshjani8290 My 08 Toyota tundra has had this problem and guess what, it has 300K miles on it. Just change your oil every 3K miles. That's what I have been doing.
It does impact them very much!! My mom has a 2018 that she bought brand new and she lives in washing where it’s gets in the mid 20’s and low teens. Every time she goes to the work of the store she freezes to death because the engine doesn’t warm up in turn neither does the heater!! This is a very real issue they people are facing and dealership claims it’s normal to freeze to death in your brand new car in the winter??
I, too, have noticed that our 2018 takes a long time to warm up ( easily 10 minutes+ ) especially in slow traffic unless there are highway/uphill driving, and even then, the coolant temperature drops again the moment I turn up the heat on a cold day (< -5C especially). At the end of the day, it is only a 1.5 litre engine unless the turbo is activated. We used to have a 3 litre V6 vehicle in the early 90's and the heat was very quick..
Fortunately, ours CRV does have heated steering wheel and seats, which get warm within a minute. I would make good use of if possible.
Cant thank you enough!! My 2017CRV is a florida car, driven back to the east coast. So, I checked my oil, after a few months 3,500 miles, cuz the car was running rough. When I pulled the dipstick, the oil level was normal-high.. It smelled like fuel!!😳 I've never never pulled a oil stick on any car, and smelled fuel... So, now I know why!!
Taking it too the dealer, for the recall fix!! 🤞💜 Thankyou!!!!!
Do you think that engine idling is good in such cases?
I'm thinking of buying a new CRV so thanks for this video
IndigoStarAz don’t buy it.
Probably to late .I brought back my 2020 crv major problems stalling dilution almost 1 quart over each oil change they took the car back when my lawyer was present after they told me it was fixed it wasn't DONT BUY IT STAY AWAY
Amen! Stay far away from new Honda's until you hear that they admit a serious problem ,and have an international recall!@@pilot2020
I’m NEVER buying another Honda, Toyota, Kia, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Lexus, Nissian, Acura, Infiniti, Mazda, Buick, Hyundai, Jeep, Subaru and on and on. You See That Statement ALL over UA-cam and Forums. Guess I’ll have to build my own
vehicle just to make sure it will NEVER EVER have ANY problems or break down.
All vehicles have issues, but some (Honda, Jeep) have more issues that others (Toyota, Kia)
@@andybub45 LOL what? Kia over Honda?
@@Immortalkalashnikov hahahaha I was thinking the same thing. Neveeeerrrr.
is this oil dilution problem with honda accord 1.5 turubo 2022 too?
This makes me feel better about possibly trading in my rusting 2003 Odyssey for a 2020 Civic Hatch 6 speed this summer. I live in Chicago and complete about an hour trip each way daily to University so I think the car would warm up alright. Now I just have to worry about sourcing the 6 speed Hatch...everything here is CVT
Just stay far away from the turbo engine, and I mean far, far away!
@@w.a.holland2239 honestly I've owned the 1.5T for almost a year already. Put down 9k miles. Even got the CVT. Just want the thing to last through University then I'll get something nicer like an f150
This is not considered fixed until Honda USA issues a written statement as to: 1. What is the maximum allowed oil/gas ratio that is allowed for safe operation. 2. What is the maximum oil level that is allowed for safe operation. 3. The turbo CRV has poor heat in very cold climates. What is the minimum temperature an owner can expect from heater when it's -10F outside. So far Honda has refused to issue this info.
yes you hit it
When you live in Canada the small engine it takes about a good 10 minutes drive before it warms up and if you live in a small city and you’re doing short trips that mean this car it’s not good for Canadian market
Yet they are made in Canada, right
CANADA is HIGH COST to purchase a vehicle, If it were me i would go with the rav 4. For me one GOOD THING ABOUT HONDA is anything above the crv lx comes with a REMOTE START. For the rav 4 you gotta go ENTUNE APP or be prepared to PAY $500.00 or more.
@@clarencewhite6053 2.5l NA Toyota engine had a recall for fuel pump :)
I’m in Canada and I’ve driven 2010, 2016 & 2020 CRV’s. They all warm up within 5 minutes, the 2020 has the 1.5 turbo and took 3 minutes in -17 Celsius weather and even less when it is warmer. It’s better to drive cold, don’t use Remote start, don’t use heat or entertainment until you see the temperature gauge go up to about 1/4 or 1/3. If it’s-30 it could take longer of course but that’s to be expected. 2010 & 2016 are K engines, the 1.5 Litre turbo engine is the L15B7 engine. Best car I’ve ever driven by far and that includes my Hyundai Santa Fe XL with a Lambda II GDi engine (G6DH version). Honda warms up quicker and more powerful due to the turbo
Ya well my 2019 crv never warms up, it could be -20 and I can start it up in the driveway and let it run for ever, the guage wont come up. I have to drive the damn thing for 15 min just for it to come up 1 notch. The thing is brutal for warming up, fricken defrost doesn't do shit until you drive it for 5 minutes guessing where to go cause you cant see nothing through the windshield. So go ahead and buy one folks, you'll love it!
Does warranty cover for 2017 crv 2.4L
Good to know that the issue has been addressed. Thanks! 👍
Nope, its not solved. It is piston ring issue. Never addressed, Honda tried to mask it with SW update.
For your (apparent) age, you guys nailed it. I don't think a veteran mechanic could have done a better job. Thank you for the information.
Thank you for your propaganda on our behalf (Honda Management)
I live in Canada I had 2018 Honda CRV Honda Canada did not recall this problem to notify the owners specially in ALBERTA they ignored the whole thing so I get rid of it when I bought my vehicle I mentioned that to them they said we never heard of it they always play stupid
I had a 2018 CRV Touring 2WD. Loved it. It now belongs to another family member. I now have the 2020 CRV Touring 2WD, and love it even more. Never had a issue with oil dilution on the 2018, and none on the 2020. I test drove, in 2018, all of the competition, and found the comfort level, passenger roominess, and the storage capacity of the Honda, to be more of what I wanted. Experienced the same when I was shopping for the 2020. Honda fit me the best. For how I drive, as I am 65, and retired, I love the engine and the transmission. It drives really nicely, in the city, and the highway. I use the Econ mode most of the time, and I get a combined 31 mpg. I also choose, not to use the engine turn off / on feature, and I always need to turn it off ( the simple press of the button ) before I start to drive. I do wish it was able to be left off, permanently, but as it is a gas saving feature, I understand why it becomes automatically engaged. I recommend the vehicle highly ( I am a Honda fan ). Anyway, you two youngsters are doing a very nice job. Keep it up. Dan
I hope you got a good one. Did you actually check your 18? The dealer certainly won't tell you.
You are a Honda fan because of ignorance. In life many time Ignorance can be a bliss.
I test drove a 2018 CRV and loved it, but because of the serious engine issue, I bought a 2018 RAV4 which has an old fashion engine WITHOUT direct injection, and WITHOUT a turbo.
I just replaced my wifes car with a 2020 Toyota Corolla with the 1.8 engine WITHOUT direct injection or turbo.
I have a 2018 CR-V. In cold weather the engine fix did not make any difference in the engine warming up faster as stated. In MN and I am sure anywhere else it gets cold this engine loses engine temp for me below about 10 degrees unless driving at highway speed. Cold enough you can't keep the windshield clear. Dealer service manager says his Accord blows cold air out of the vents while waiting at a light after exiting the freeway. My engine temp gauge drops to below the C in about 4 minutes at idle. Honda official position is that this vehicle operating as designed. This is unsafe.
Excuses by Honda
Perhaps if starting the car when the outside temperatures are cold enough to contribute to the dilution issue then just allowing the engine to warm up at idle before driving it hard would be an adequate precaution. Giving the engine a extra minute to warm up at idle is probably not a bad idea for any automobile.
yea, that MAKES SENSE. I have a 2020 crv ex which comes WITH FACTORY REMOTE. I normally REMOTE START my car for 10-20 minutes before driving, ihaven't had any hiccups with mine.
Dude I just got a 2020v1.5 Turbo Honda Accord with 4000 miles and my my oil level is like a this is like above the high mark it's already to the point where it's hitting the metal rod And the oil smells like straight-up-and-down gasoline And I've only driven the car for a 1000 miles And I live in Miami and it's summer time So you tell me what they have fixed
No you make the problems worse by "letting it warm up". In doing-so you're forcing the engine to take longer to heat up and thus exacerbating the oil dilution. I hypothesize this is exactly why the northern states had this issue even more because this is common practice there; before you drive you let it warm up.
I would suggest, in all cars, to start the car and let it run for a minute and return to normal idle RPM. Then drive the car lightly, don't rev high, until the engine is fully warmed.
And specifically for this Honda, I would suggest getting rid of it posthaste and avoid buying it used.
Does this problem apply to a simple 2017 2L Civic or is it just the Civic with the 1.5 turbo? Thanks
Just the turbo. Thanks for watching!
what about the issue of intake valves getting heavy carbon buildup? which is an issue for all direct injection engines except toyotas as they have double the injectors spraying at the port to clean the intake valves.
Whether an engine in directly injected or not, they ALL have carbon buildup. Its natural. The issue with direct injection engines is that carbon builds up at a higher rate. Hence why once you teach a certain mileage on your vehicle, car manufacturers recommend you get all of that shit cleaned out.
I have a 2019 Honda Civic EX sedan. How many miles before I take care of those carbon buildup?
So it's "Fixed" according to Honda but if you live in cold climates it's better to do more frequent oil changes... So it is really fixed... 🤔 But that was a good, unbiased video thank you.
The best way to fix Honda problems is to buy a Toyota.
Man I was looking into getting a new CRV, but this lingering problem scares the hell out of me.
Toyota Rav4 has a Solid Non Turbo engine. Never buy a turbo engine. To much pressure & i can tell you exactly when the oil dilution happens on a turbo. When engine is cold & you punch it to get on the highway. If one is a led foot Forget about it.
What lingering problem? He literally made a video to say it's been fixed. It was fixed then and the fix has been implemented on the newer models.
Stay away don't buy it I brought back my 2020 and they took it back it still has the problem honda lied to me and to the people .I'll keep my 08 crv
That is a lie and he was no doubt speaking only for Honda. Probably some one in his family is an employee of Honda! Tell him to come to North Carolina and I will show him the problems still still very serious.@@JamesMcCarty
@@JamesMcCarty It’s obviously a bandaid fix he was explaining. Sounds like the problem is still there. Such a shame because it’s a great car otherwise.
I just did my 2016 civic 1.5 liter turbo engine. I use Mobil 1 advanced synthetic oil and OEM oil filter. The vehicle has 125K on it. The oil is changed usually when the warning is at 15% so before the suggested intervals. I could really smell gas in the oil.
Was/is this an issue on the latest accord? Doesn’t it have the same 1.5L engine?
The Accord was never implicated in any of this
Thanks for the great explanation! I recently purchased a 2017 CR-V but I live in Florida and in a more rural area(so rarely any quick trips) and glad to hear the power train warranty was extended. You guys make great videos, keep it up!😃
Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful!
Own a 2019 CR-V. Oil dilution IS STILL A PROBLEM! 3.8 quarts go in. After about 1000 miles, 5.1 quarts come out. Very strong smell of gasoline. Oil is dirty, and viscosity is greatly diminished.
Yup. Mine too. Dealer had my2019 ex for 5 days and nothing was done cuz Honda told the dealer all 2019 has been updated
I did call American Honda and was given an incident number. They told me to take the vehicle to a dealership so they could check it out. The dealer I am working with has had more than one CR-V with this issue. They have been in contact with American Honda and a rep was to be sent out to the dealership, until the lockdowns over COVID19 started. Hoping the email exchanges between me, American Honda, and the dealership will bring about some resolution
@@duncanmchugh8151 was the oil dilution problem resolved in your crv?
@@shando3333 no. Full disclosure... the problem became worse. The CR-V was adding a quart of gasoline to the oil in only 800 miles... regular dipstick checks kept me informed of the fluid level in the oil pan. The dealer we were working with was very helpful and we decided to work with them to replace it. We purchased a 2020 Passport with a V6 engine. We love it.
This is NOt a fix . Basically what honda did was redefine the term oil dilution and increase the
warranty . increasing the warranty is a red flag for me as it indicates that honda is admitting
that the engine is faulty . I was goi t to buy a new crv in two days but after reading numerous articles about this problem the deal is off.
If fuel is getting past the pistons, I’ve always looked at the piston rings first. DI fuel pressure is regulated. I have never ever seen fresh gasoline adhere anywhere, especially not to cylinder walls-it acts as a solvent. You have given me a lot to think about. I wonder if the problem has to do with the amount of ethanol or additives in the fuel. It seems to me like operating with water contaminated fuel would have the potential to damage the rings. And we already know that ethanol breaks down into water. If I’m on the right track, it may also stand to reason that seasonal fuel blending might also be a factor. I’m going to do some research in the forums this weekend and maybe follow up with another reply if I find anything interesting. I think it’s a problem that needs solving. What would happen if fuel contaminated oil went through a hot turbo? Can’t be good.
Yes please share.
Update?
Oh boy. You're going to get a LOT of flak for this video. Much respect for wading into this controversy!
I know right? But we still wanted to try to talk about it best we could because it is definitely the #1 thing we get asked about for Honda's
I owned a 2019 CRV EX, with the 1.5 turbo, and had very severe oil dilution problems in my warm Central California location. I took it to the local dealer, and had him smell the dipstick, which smelled badly of oil, and they said it was normal. I had two independent mechanics look at it, and they said it was severe oil dilution, and recommended I change the oil every 2000 miles. I ended up selling the car after 15,000 miles, after I read that there were recalls to this engine in Canada and northern States of the U.S., and later in China. When my dealer professed never hearing about the problem, I lost all trust in Honda.
Does Anybody know if 2020 Accord 1.5T has the same oil dilution matters? Or Honda use different engine (someone said that) or do they fixed it?
Your post is 2 years ago but YES. My 2020 Accord Sport 1.5T has 30k miles on it now. I first heard of the problem when I had about 15K miles on it. When I checked my dipstick it was past the the max mark by just over 1/4" (up to the very top of the orange plastic) The oil has a gas smell on the dipstick. I have gotten oil replaced at dealer every 5K to 7k miles. I live in the south and do several mostly 5 to 8 mile long trips daily with only a few trips over 50 miles a year. I have a very heavy foot, but not sure if that is good or bad since I definitely warm-up the engine fast when I drive. Wife drives average speeds. Not sure my next step. May trade in or try a heavier 5W-30W since i heard one youtuber say that is what worked for him.
Good stuff. Just bought a 2019 Civic 1.5L Turbo. Glad to hear Honda fixed the oil dilution problem in the 2019 model. This had me concerned initially. Thanks for the video dude.
Any updates? I’m looking into a 2019 si right now
@@djpayton9128 I have a 2019 CR-V with 72K on the clock. There is a perceptible smell of gasoline on the dipstick and also in the oil when I change it. I change the oil at 5000 mile intervals, using a GF-6A oil with API SP rating. I do it myself because I want to be certain that the 'Best Oil' is in the crankcase. Honda says that "Normal fuel dilution" is less than 2% in this engine and considers the previous problem solved. A mixture of oil with 2% gasoline would definitely have a gasoline odor. I've yet to change the oil in this vehicle and not notice the smell of gasoline, winter or summer, the odor is always present.
Honda just give us back our K24 engine
My 2017 CRV LX with the 2.4L Earth Dreams engine has had four oil analysis reports. All had oil dilution from 2.0 to 3.5%. At under 25,000 miles it still sounds and operates normally though. So Don't think ANY car from Honda with direct cylinder fuel injection is immune to this problem. When either the 2.4L or 1.5L or the new 2.0L start getting to be over 100,000 miles, let's see what the reliability is.
My ilx has a k24 and makes me super happy everytime I rev that baby up
I.R. Wayright no such thing as a 2.4 earth dreams engine
@@overseasterritory8983 Want to tell that to the one in my 2017 CRV LX?
I.R. Wayright oh my bad I didn’t realize they made a 2.4 earth dreams I thought you were talking about the regular K series
if i buy a honda civic hatchback made 2017-2018 with 1.8L; will i have to be worried about this issue?. or was it only only the 1.5t L version?...
It's only the 1.5t engine
Thank you so much. Buying a 2021 Toyota Rav4. A 1.5L Turbo in a Suv is just asking for trouble & ANY Oil Dilution is a problem. I live in cold climate & short drives are all I do. Toyota Rav4 may have it's quirks too but the engine is solid. Maybe that's why Honda for the first time EVER is offering 0% financing. Mhmm
Second!! Love you guys!
I'm 73 & owned Hondas most of my life but I will never buy a vehicle with a small turbocharged GDI engine.
I agree, the 2.4l was fine.
@@captoblivious1
Unless I can be convinced it will likely be dependable. I read something recently about the Mazda CX9 which has a 2.5 liter turbo GDI engine that mentioned a novel way in which Mazda engineered it to prevent carbon build-up on the intake valves (by designing it to keep the valves at a temperature that prevents carbon build-up) And a 2.5 isn't all that small anyway and I'm thinking if you drive conservatively (which I do) it should be just fine. I just have to find that information again. I think it was a review of the CX9 on the Savage Geese channel.
I have a Nissan leaf that's had zero issues. Battery will eventually be worn out. But it's been very dependable and cheap to own.
Steven Sevek, the turbocharger is not the issue or the cause of this problem. The high pressure direct injection is the issue and the fact that the engine doesn’t seem to get to operating temperature too quickly. Honda uses a very high pressure unit that can force the gasoline by the piston rings while the engine is cold.
@@patrickmcmullen7910
We had a 2016 Mazda 6 with a GDI 2.5 liter engine and it had 69,000 miles on it when we traded it. We never had any problems with it. It was not turbocharged. Are you saying that there is more pressure from the GDI in Honda's engine than in Mazda's?
Hi,
Is the fix that they madfe fix the issue? I see some lawsuit going on right now on the 2019 to 2022 model using this engine. I'm about to buy a Civic with this engine that has 88000km on it. I live in canada and mostly do short trip.
Should I skip this buy and go for something else?
Is this problem only happening with the 1.5l turbo engines ? Or does it happens with the 1.5l non turbo as well ?
1.5turbo .they don't have a 1.5 non turbo.they have a 2.0 non turbo.this problem is with the 1.5turbo only
Honda's Vtec engines are legendary, and when they finally decided to do diesel engines, they nailed it. Odd that they've now messed up the turbo engine. And am I understanding correctly that this is NOT an issue on the 1L turbo for the Civic? I'm European, and I've not noticed as much talk about this issue here - perhaps because the 1L is more common here?
We do not have that engine here.