Is VulkanMod really better than Sodium?

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • In this short video, i compared two optimization mods between each other (Sodium and VulkanMod) to see, which one is better in terms of performance.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 401

  • @Kimizuky
    @Kimizuky 5 місяців тому +854

    Keeping in mind that vulkanmod is still in alpha, and if it's developed enough, we could even see real ray traced shaders, that uses RT cores of the gpus

    • @Treetrain1
      @Treetrain1 5 місяців тому +39

      already been done by cortex, in Vulkanite

    • @bomba76
      @bomba76 5 місяців тому +21

      Vulkanite:

    • @TheMasterOfSafari
      @TheMasterOfSafari 5 місяців тому +3

      It's already being done, you don't need to have the full game be on Vulkan to do it iirc.

    • @Kimizuky
      @Kimizuky 5 місяців тому +6

      @@Treetrain1 Ah yes, indeed, altho I tested it, and it looks total black for me

    • @project_anti
      @project_anti 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Kimizuky then your device most likely doesn't support vulkan

  • @innovationtalk3734
    @innovationtalk3734 5 місяців тому +801

    "Is VulkanMod really better than Sodium?"
    "Na"

    • @mythic_py
      @mythic_py 5 місяців тому +37

      my nerdy brain choke laughed at this

    • @LionClawed
      @LionClawed 5 місяців тому +19

      No pun intended sodium: Na

    • @jason59k55
      @jason59k55 5 місяців тому +1

      thats a giggler right there

    • @Naturally_pro
      @Naturally_pro 2 місяці тому

      I get it

    • @Naturally_pro
      @Naturally_pro 2 місяці тому

      😅

  • @project_anti
    @project_anti 5 місяців тому +625

    to be honest, microsoft should make the next big update performance based. Imagine: "Minecraft: The Performance Update" that would be music to my ears

    • @BarretTheImmaculate
      @BarretTheImmaculate 5 місяців тому +180

      No way. We need more useless mobs and random features that have nothing to do with each other. That's what everyone really wants these days.

    • @GyroNitr0
      @GyroNitr0 5 місяців тому +8

      ​@@BarretTheImmaculatetotally

    • @GregorianMG
      @GregorianMG 5 місяців тому +9

      Version 1.12 is one of those. It would be nice to have update dedicated for that.

    • @flamingscar5263
      @flamingscar5263 5 місяців тому +16

      Yes but money
      New mobs generates money
      Performance doesn't

    • @GyroNitr0
      @GyroNitr0 5 місяців тому +10

      @@TheCatboyInQuestion9056 number 1 Microsoft meat rider 💯

  • @reikoow
    @reikoow 5 місяців тому +116

    Vulkan works better on AMD GPUs. Note that there is a BIG difference between Sodium and VulkanMod. Sodium is a new rendering code with geometry batching and draw pass consolidation, and it makes many optimizations for vertices, etc.
    While, if I understand correctly, as the name suggests, VulkanMod only converts the Render API from OpenGL to Vulkan? I'm not sure about that, but if I'm right, that means that Vulkan can, in fact, be WAY faster than Sodium in the near future if it tries to do more than converting the Render API. It could maybe even do something like what NVidium does with that Render API and have GIGANTIC chunks with low performance cost.
    Thanks for this discovery, NickNameHidden!

    • @sunnyb4506
      @sunnyb4506 5 місяців тому +12

      Will work better on AMD GPUs because AMD originally written it. And makes their cards for that API. It's really clear in f.e. Doom 2016. If we have GPU from NVidia it will work better on DirectX then on Vulkan, but AMD on the other hand will work better on Vulkan. But, that's just digression.

    • @saksham5182
      @saksham5182 5 місяців тому +3

      they do make optimizations than just converting it to vulkan, the changelogs say so atleast

    • @JsjdjJhdjd
      @JsjdjJhdjd 5 місяців тому

      you have nvidium on nvidia so that's something i guess

    • @unknownuser85300
      @unknownuser85300 5 місяців тому +2

      Vulkan is optimized because it uses the graphics card api to draw things as of my understanding, but its goddamn hard to code in it

    • @gabsan.
      @gabsan. 3 місяці тому

      @@JsjdjJhdjd Only in Turing, Pascal and older cant use nvidium mod

  • @user-ol3tf1qi6c
    @user-ol3tf1qi6c 5 місяців тому +196

    Vulkan should use more GPU resources if implemented correctly*. Its job is to relieve stress from the CPU.

  • @illuminate4
    @illuminate4 5 місяців тому +221

    Idk anything about this vulcan mod. I do know that sodium is essentially as optimized as opengl minecraft can get. If this alpha-stage mod with first-attempt optimization is matching sodium, this is something we need to pay attention to.

    • @aspidinton
      @aspidinton 5 місяців тому +40

      Yeah. Also it's weird to compare generation speed because vulkan is only improving render speed, as i know

    • @safixo
      @safixo 5 місяців тому +10

      Sodium is not really as optimized as it could be, as right now it uses a old version of OpenGL to stay compatible with mac and legacy hardware

    • @illuminate4
      @illuminate4 5 місяців тому +19

      @@safixo thats what I mean. its about as good as it gets as the current engine allows

  • @crestofhonor2349
    @crestofhonor2349 5 місяців тому +32

    I can see the biggest benefit for Vulkan mod with shaders. With Vulkan ray tracing shaders could actually utilize the RT hardware inside them and vastly speed up the rendering speed and even enhance the visuals while having better performance. Of course this is limited to AMD RDNA2, RTX, and Intel Arc GPUs

    • @TheMasterOfSafari
      @TheMasterOfSafari 5 місяців тому +6

      It's already being done without VulkanMod, Vulkanite by Cortex.

    • @NicCrimson
      @NicCrimson 5 місяців тому +4

      ​@@TheMasterOfSafariNice if both team up like iris and DH that would be amazing

    • @hughjassstudios9688
      @hughjassstudios9688 5 місяців тому +2

      Also upscaling and frame generation algorithms only support DX12 and Vulkan. This is the only way currently to get this in MC without using the Render Dragon engine, especially now that FSR3 is open source and getting a quality update soon

  • @unfunny3
    @unfunny3 5 місяців тому +171

    before watching the video, i can tell you that vulkan is i think on par with sodium, gets wrecked by nvidium, and has an arterial blockage outside of windows.

    • @starleighpersonal
      @starleighpersonal 5 місяців тому +58

      Vulkan mod on Linux is an absolute beast.

    • @idk13212
      @idk13212 5 місяців тому

      ​@@starleighpersonalmhm I'm getting 200 fps 16 chunks rendering in 2k

    • @flamingscar5263
      @flamingscar5263 5 місяців тому +60

      Nvidium is exclusive to Nvidia hardware, which not all of us have, as an AMD user Nvidium is irrelevant to me, same goes for any iGPU user
      And what do you mean blockage outside of windows? Vulkan isn't windows exclusive, actually it was originally desgined for Linux and Android before being ported to windows shortly after

    • @walksanator
      @walksanator 5 місяців тому

      It means vulcan and nvidium dies of a heart atacks on non-windows because fuck nvidia

    • @BakaTheSussy
      @BakaTheSussy 5 місяців тому +9

      IT is not on par. All that Vulkan does is replace the renderer, while sodium actually optimizes the game. The test should have been done with OpenGL+Sodium and Vulkan side by side

  • @Londel3real
    @Londel3real 5 місяців тому +71

    WE BEATING WALL OF FLESH WITH THIS ONE🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @timeblade
      @timeblade 5 місяців тому +7

      WERE MAKING IT INTO HARDMODE WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🗣️

    • @sharkgamer47
      @sharkgamer47 5 місяців тому +5

      @@timeblade WE ARE GOING TO SMASH SUPREME CALAMITAS WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥

    • @powmuckerstion9206
      @powmuckerstion9206 5 місяців тому +2

      WE ARE GONNA TAKE XEROC WITH THIS ONE!

    • @wistralis7387
      @wistralis7387 5 місяців тому +3

      WE'RE CRUSHING YHARIM WITH THIS ONE!!!💪💪💪💥🔥🔥

    • @lazzy41
      @lazzy41 Місяць тому

      WERE MAKING IT INTO POSTMOONLORD CALAMITY CONTENT WITH THIS ONE🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼

  • @malvinchau2056
    @malvinchau2056 5 місяців тому +19

    You should use rivatuner instead of a mod. (It's apart of MSI Afterburner) It shows frame times, min and max fps, 1% lows and 0.1% lows. Sometimes you can't tell the difference from just fps.

    • @Baconator-Man
      @Baconator-Man 5 місяців тому

      how do you use msi afterburner on an nvidia gpu??

    • @callyral
      @callyral 5 місяців тому +1

      I think there's also MangoHud that shows that as well.

    • @callyral
      @callyral 5 місяців тому

      I think there's also MangoHud that shows that as well.

    • @ncpv
      @ncpv 5 місяців тому

      capframex better

    • @parknich081
      @parknich081 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Baconator-ManWhat? It’s made for nvidia gpus…

  • @Nafiur13
    @Nafiur13 5 місяців тому +22

    Speaking of bedrock edition,
    I played on a java edition launcher for android called pojavlauncher.
    And it runs smoother then bedrock edition when using optifine (no joke)

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured 5 місяців тому +5

      cap if you were playing in newer versions however in olders versions then yes but its an unfair comparsion still

    • @CrapZackGames
      @CrapZackGames 5 місяців тому +1

      I was actually watching this video to see if Volkan was good for Android Java Edition

    • @Fryingpan-s8j
      @Fryingpan-s8j 5 місяців тому +6

      @@NotTuredit’s unfair bc BE ain’t got no performance mods which do anything

    • @hecos1779
      @hecos1779 5 місяців тому

      ​@@Fryingpan-s8jbut the performance mods for java edition only exist to fix the horrible optimization it has

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Fryingpan-s8j not really i have more fps in bedrock than java even with peformance mods but thats only for newer versions

  • @Wilker_uwu
    @Wilker_uwu 5 місяців тому +9

    question: how were the % lows in the fps of the first tests? that's usually an alright measure of stability to sample the lowest performance peaks to know how much the game stutters when certain things starts being calculated.

  • @thepi
    @thepi 5 місяців тому +2

    With vulkan, I am now able to use vkBasalt shaders (ReShade). I was able to experiment with some test shaders, but they all were just some proofs of concepts.
    On another note, from the testing that I did (without shaders), I found out that loading chunks is slower with vulkanmod. My GPU would peak its usage for just a small moment whenever I load new chunks with sodium, and the fps would stay relatively stable. With vulkanmod, my gpu did not seem to peak at all, but my fps do drop a lot when loading chunks. This feels like it can be improved, usually I have a higher gpu utilisation when using vulkan vs OpenGL. I believe these results are due to sodium batching the rendering operations and applying some other optimisations. I don't think vulkanmod is really doing any optimisations yet.

  • @homework8969
    @homework8969 5 місяців тому +11

    I remember in some GitHub thread on Nvidium’s repo that the optimizations that Nvidium does, *is* supported for AMD gpus, with the caveat that the driver only supports Vulkan calls not OpenGL calls.
    Edit: Grammar, and spelling.

    • @atairakhmatov
      @atairakhmatov 5 місяців тому +3

      Nvidium uses mesh shaders, which are only supported by Nvidia GPUs in OpenGL. This is due to OpenGL being developed by different companies, and many of them can't agree on what functionality to implement, so they create OpenGL extensions, which are only supported by their own platform. Other platforms support mesh shaders, just not in OpenGL. Switching to Vulkan should allow the use of mesh shaders on any platform that supports them. Actually, mesh shading has been around for a while, and it is heavily used in latest-gen console graphics

  • @tfamgaming
    @tfamgaming 5 місяців тому +9

    you are extremely underrated bro

  • @z3n1te
    @z3n1te 5 місяців тому +2

    what impresses me, is how they did it, because vulkan is significantly more low level than opengl (low level means closer to bare metal), but the performance is worth it, vulkan also has built-in raytracing support

  • @ataractic
    @ataractic 5 місяців тому +4

    Vulkanmod just updated to 0.4.0 and brings a lot of optimizations! Could you make a comparison video with the updated version?

  • @idontknowanygoodnames1498
    @idontknowanygoodnames1498 5 місяців тому +1

    It's worth noting that what vulkanmod and sodium does, are not mutually exclusive. So with the render backend swapped with vulkan, sodium could still be implemented with the new renderer. This is something that in reality mojang should do themselves, but they only care about bedrock, which is where they made use of DX12 for the new render engine.

  • @junodev_
    @junodev_ 5 місяців тому +4

    you're doing a favor for the minecraft community :)

  • @1Staubsauger
    @1Staubsauger 5 місяців тому +26

    Now do Sodium, Nvidium and Vulkan Mod, that would be a good comparison! :D

    • @zamgion
      @zamgion 5 місяців тому +18

      nvidium is different than those two

    • @FluffyPuppyKasey
      @FluffyPuppyKasey 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@zamgion Nvidium is a performance optimisation mod as well

    • @pigpogftw
      @pigpogftw 5 місяців тому +14

      Yes but nvidium is only compatible with nvidia gpus. Which is kinda unfair to AMD GPU's lol

    • @korbyntalks
      @korbyntalks 5 місяців тому +4

      @@pigpogftw Sometimes..I question my existence with my AMD GPU..

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured 5 місяців тому +4

      ​@@pigpogftw keep in mind that Vulkan works best with AMD cpus and gpus

  • @NotAgnor
    @NotAgnor 5 місяців тому +1

    For those saying Mojang should make a performance update, you need to remember they must make money. You can’t really advertise that to the public, they should improve both performance and content. Same with QoL features

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 5 місяців тому +2

      It's Minecraft, the bestselling video game of all time, and owned by the giant that is Microsoft. I think they can afford to make a performance update.

    • @NotAgnor
      @NotAgnor 5 місяців тому +2

      @@vibaj16 Microsoft would never allow it, they’d make it a small part of a content update
      Because at the end of the day you can’t really make a trailer for performance and put it on the Microsoft yt expecting it to make more sales, it would make people assume it’s got really bad performance

  • @neteoris
    @neteoris Місяць тому

    the thing is that vulkan really shines on lower end computers, so that's why there wasn't much difference on your side since your computer is pretty powerful

  • @klocek2131
    @klocek2131 5 місяців тому +6

    3:00 that's because the only thing vulkanmod does is swapping the renderer
    if vulkanmod also had the optimizations that sodium has, it would be 10x faster

    • @niepokonany
      @niepokonany 5 місяців тому

      And he has nVidia card

    • @klocek2131
      @klocek2131 5 місяців тому

      ​@@niepokonany true, i forgot about that

  • @rooot_
    @rooot_ 5 місяців тому +1

    some infos arent fully right, most mods are gonna work perfectly fine on VulkanMod - where it gets problematic is when mods directly mess with the renderer: Iris is the best example for a mod that will never work with VulkanMod

  • @zenchanted942
    @zenchanted942 5 місяців тому +2

    honestly the best optimization mods for nvidia users is soudium with nvidium, i have the same processor as you but i have the gtx 1650 with 16gb ddr4 ram on dual channels and i get around 600-800fps on a normal world with 16 chunk render distance

  • @thatmg393
    @thatmg393 5 місяців тому +1

    In a low-end pc, VulkanMod gives a little bit more fps than sodium in some cases. Personally, I think VulkanMod is better (although it has a lot of mod incompatibilities) in my phone (yes my phone), VulkanMod performed a lot better than Sodium. In a flat world, during chunk loading, my fps in Sodium was bad 1-16 FPS, and it smooths out when all chunks (which takes a while because chunk loading is slow when I have Sodium) have been loaded while in VulkanMod my fps while loading is 5-25 FPS and it smooths out really quickly and reaching 100-260 FPS real quickly and Chunk Loading is slow but not as slow as Sodium and VulkanMod dropped a new update in it's Github Repository which improved Chunk Loading and it's noticeable in my device.

  • @MalaysianBallProductions
    @MalaysianBallProductions 22 дні тому

    1.15 was a performance update which did absolutely nothing
    I hope they release a performance update that actually adds performance

  • @redstoneninja3375
    @redstoneninja3375 24 дні тому

    Sodium mod is optimising the open gl implementation of the game while vulkan mod swaps opengl with vulkan but i am assuming the underlying game logic code remains the same and its only the rendering api thats swapped, if thats the case then a mod like sodium could be developed for vulkan that will allow the vulkan mod to have an even bigger improvement

  • @theblckbird
    @theblckbird 5 місяців тому +1

    For me it doubled the FPS compared to Sodium but Sodium didn’t really increase my FPS at all. The reason is probably that Sodium uses newer OpenGL versions and MacOS deprecated OpenGL. That bad thing about Vulkan is that it is incompatible with a lot of other mods

  • @qqii
    @qqii 5 місяців тому

    It would be interesting to use a realistic benchmark world, like the Hermitcraft world. Additionally a lot of players play on servers, so testing that would be interesting too.

  • @seannewell397
    @seannewell397 4 місяці тому

    It is CRAZY a new alpha mod has this performance. Nvidium+Vulkan are insane. I wonder if we could have a meta-mod over both of them that chooses to swap out the rendere based on the GPU available, or just ship both in modpack and tell ppl to turn one on I guess. It'd be insane if you could ship sodium + vulkan + nvidium and have sodium be the default, and then ppl could swap to whatever renderer they want. In the future these 2 should become viable options.
    Much of the ecosystem seems built on top of sodium and tied to it tho 💀(indium / create w/ sodium fix and flywheel... ETF EMF)

  • @coffee-is-power
    @coffee-is-power 13 днів тому

    No, the vulkan API was not born as a faster API, it was born as a lower level API then open gl that gives you more control over the GPU and allows you to do better optimizations than you ever could with open gl, one single call to opengl can equal tens of calls to vulkan, and it's basically the same level of abstraction of DirectX except it's cross platform which is really cool

  • @BenS3006
    @BenS3006 5 місяців тому +1

    the best mod you can use is sodium with nvidium trust me you may not get that many more frames from nvidium but the chunk rendering is so much smoother that you can render 32 chunks on a pc that can otherewise only handle 10 chunks

  • @ArchaeanDragon
    @ArchaeanDragon 5 місяців тому

    Should point out that there shouldn't be a lot of mod incompatibility, unless a mod specifically is designed to bypass the renderer and do its own rendering directly to the GPU API. To my knowledge not many mods do this, as they depend on the renderer classes to do the heavy lifting.

  • @user-fe8hp6jv9f
    @user-fe8hp6jv9f 5 місяців тому +2

    Hello, just here to comment that Vulkan being better than openGL is a myth. The difference between them is that Vulkan exposes a lot more controls over how your gpu renders, this can be used for a better optimization but when you latterly have 10x the code to write you might start just copying standard solutions to the problems that are done for you by openGL. Now that the mod works and is in alpha I assume the developers are going to replace those solutions.
    Also when you have like 1k fps the problem becomes not in your gpu or cpu but in the god dam north bridge of your chipset (If my memory serves me correctly.) Which is responsible for transferring data in between cpu and gpu cuz keep in mind it has to transfer data for over 1k images per second.
    So for better testing next time make sure to load your world. And ya testing is freaking hard I feel you.

  • @minecraftermad
    @minecraftermad 5 місяців тому +1

    You forgot to have vanilla as control.

  • @Darkcocacla
    @Darkcocacla 5 місяців тому +1

    That's not how GPU/CPU usage works if the CPU has low usage it's good if GPU has low usage it's horrible

  • @BigDogHaver
    @BigDogHaver 5 місяців тому

    0:55 If that 512 number is the minimum ram allocation, you should actually make that match the maximum allocation. When Java dynamically changes those values during runtime, it reduces performance.

  • @KRYSTALLSKVLL
    @KRYSTALLSKVLL Місяць тому

    Guys, subscribe to that channel, i wanna see this guy grow up

  • @amok8938
    @amok8938 5 місяців тому

    I can definitely see this vulkan mod eventually replace sodium, but for now the mod compatibility is just abysmal. If ur fine running 100% vanilla mc with only vulkanmod then sure go for it. But if you have basically any other mod such as iris, distant horizons, even smaller ones like advancement plaques and so on then the game just straight up wont work.
    Ill give it like 3 years at least before its usable as a replacement for sodium.

  • @modernmanueee_
    @modernmanueee_ 5 місяців тому

    I'm not a developer but as a Minecraft player and someone who messed around with things like the nvidia control panel and similar... I think the engine swap would make a difference when both the hardware (in this case GPU) and the software (Minecraft) support and make an active use of the possible feature benefits. Sodium optimizes game functions while vulkanmod only changes the render engine. Minecraft is a CPU intensive game and without shaders, iris iGPUs and AMD equivalents will basically be on pair with dedicated graphics.
    You don't need, in fact you don't want 1000 FPS because input latency will hit hard. Don't call cap on this because I did test this on different computers, even on a mac, capping fps to 360 for my personal build is the sweet spot, adding any extra frame for input will give close to no benefit other than making your room warmer in winter.
    Nvidia control panel options won't affect performance because everything gets decided by the game rather than the panel, designed for older games. It might work on Minecraft but the default settings are most likely the best, nvidia wouldn't sell as much in the gaming market if they didn't squeeze those 3fps out via drivers

  • @trj7-
    @trj7- 5 місяців тому +1

    you should have done sodium and all the sodium mods that are part of it because it boosts fps even further

  • @CookieDerKek
    @CookieDerKek 5 місяців тому +1

    bro is playing Minecraft with Terraria music in the background 😭

  • @trucookieq4469
    @trucookieq4469 5 місяців тому

    On certain devices (eg. mine,) there can be significant differences in framerate. When I last tried it, I averaged ~300 on sodium and ~1000 on VulkanMod, comparable to your framerates. It's likely on a per-computer basis, test on your devices.
    HOWEVER. I still do not recommend switching if you use a significant amount of mods. I had to cut down my mod list from ~200 to 30 to get it to launch.

  • @magnesnasamice
    @magnesnasamice 5 місяців тому

    theres also nvidium with bobby for fabric which gives A LOT

  • @FrrZalc
    @FrrZalc 27 днів тому

    Vulkan did actually boost my frames cuz it switches game render from open gl to vulkan but when i logged on to mccisland it crashed and was doing this every time

  • @minhtranquoc8122
    @minhtranquoc8122 5 місяців тому

    1:42 "not that big of a difference"
    that 100 fps is all i need

  • @nova_4047
    @nova_4047 5 місяців тому +2

    vulkan vs sodium? nah do vulkan vs sodium + nvidium + bobby (printing fps atp)

  • @bluecreepmat
    @bluecreepmat 4 місяці тому

    Very high quality video! this vid was like sodium to me, made my day better!

  • @sodiumzip
    @sodiumzip 5 місяців тому

    VulkanMod doesn't even implement most of the optimizations that Sodium does. Just imagine if the dev decides to implement these!

  • @MrEasy_
    @MrEasy_ 5 місяців тому +5

    Vulkan works best with AMD cpus and gpus

    • @AsianwithIQ21
      @AsianwithIQ21 5 місяців тому +1

      Really?

    • @DoooFus
      @DoooFus 5 місяців тому

      what if i have an nvidia gpu with a ryzen cpu? and also is vulkan compatible with nvidium?

    • @CrapZackGames
      @CrapZackGames 5 місяців тому

      Does it work well with Snapdragon chipsets

    • @flamingscar5263
      @flamingscar5263 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@DoooFuswith Nvidia you won't see much of a difference
      And no, nvidium is not nor ever will be compatible with vulkan mod, nvidium uses openGL layers exclusive to Nvidia GPUs
      Vulkan is not openGL, it's am entirely separate graphics API

    • @DoooFus
      @DoooFus 5 місяців тому

      @@flamingscar5263 so what im getting from this is that i should not use vulkan on my nvidia gpu, but i can instead recommend it to my friend who has an all amd system?

  • @electric_lizzzard
    @electric_lizzzard 5 місяців тому

    The entire point of Vulkan is to utilize multiple cores and threads + modern tech like RT/PT. Vulkan rendering also a little bit optimal compared to OpenGL. In this case both Sodium and VulkanMod are even as they use one thread for rendering.
    Ultimate Vulkan implementation are actually made my ID Software in ID Tech 7. Their engine don't have main thread and everything done as "jobs" distributing workload to all CPU cores evenly.
    That is possible in Minecraft Java, but for this a lot of parts of the game should be rewritten. Sound engine, Entity engine, and then the Rendeder. But that ALOT of work.

  • @Miiiasm
    @Miiiasm 5 місяців тому

    An optimized game does not mean that it will use less resources instead it just means that it runs optimally as it should while it may use or not use more resources is irrelevant

  • @confusioned2249
    @confusioned2249 5 місяців тому

    I wonder how optimized we could get if we managed to get vulkan rendering combined with sodium level optimizations

  • @onlywolf9981
    @onlywolf9981 2 місяці тому

    I don’t think Minecraft coded with OpenGL has been optimized to render on Vulkan "translator?" this may be why the fps are so weird.

  • @Hckr_pr_gmr
    @Hckr_pr_gmr 5 місяців тому +2

    BUT! Sodium has Nvidium

    • @shiviree
      @shiviree 4 місяці тому

      Nvidium is ass

  • @angiethequeen2871
    @angiethequeen2871 Місяць тому

    These tests don't mean anything because we don't know what your system configuration is. Vulkan theoretically always runs better on AMD GPUs. If you have an Nvidia GPU you likely won't see a performance uplift.

  • @kuriptic
    @kuriptic 5 місяців тому

    This dudes a real one for putting terraria music in his Minecraft video

  • @ccolorsplit
    @ccolorsplit 5 місяців тому

    It might be worth it to test on Linux. Games that use the Vulkan renderer tend to perform better on Linux’s Mesa drivers vs Windows’s drivers.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 5 місяців тому +1

      imma test it on my chromebook. I don't have high hopes. Sodium made the game just freeze.

    • @ccolorsplit
      @ccolorsplit 5 місяців тому

      @@vibaj16 A chromebook probably wouldn’t be good to test. ChromeOS is based on Gentoo Linux at its core, but it’s so far removed I don’t see the point.

  • @yuvrajdas9552
    @yuvrajdas9552 5 місяців тому

    We need :
    Minecraft : Full Power (performance)
    and
    Minecraft: Keeping Inventory

  • @MrDannyloco
    @MrDannyloco 5 місяців тому

    Yes by a long shot, i strictly only add vulkan compatible mods on my server, sodium is great on high end pcs but in my case theres sometimes load stutters, while vulkan is buttery smooth all the time

  • @johnm9263
    @johnm9263 5 місяців тому

    let me put it this way:
    there are FORGE mods (for 1.19.x)
    that fix ALL of the issues with most things that people have
    1. theres a mod called ferrite core (or ferritecore) that reduces the RAM usage when its not needed
    2. theres performance mods that improve the FPS
    3. theres performance mods that "cache" things (like the fast suite, by Shadows_of_Fire) that even further reduce RAM and improve FPS by more of a byproduct of trying to reduce tps lag when fetching things like different crafting recipes, which also ends up making things more stable by accident
    4. theres mods that work identically like sodium (like lithium or canary, etc.) but the only thing that sodium has that these others dont is the fact that fabric needs more mods to get the most basic things running and compatible with each other, which only gives performance benefits with fewer mods, and has a much worse impact with larger packs that have the same mods

  • @forest_895
    @forest_895 5 місяців тому

    The Nvidium mod is pretty good, especially at high render distances.

  • @PsuedoTornado
    @PsuedoTornado 2 місяці тому

    You could always use ferrite core for less memory usage but I typically alot 8 gigs of ram so it is good enough and btw now vulkan provides an feature so Minecraft is less intensive on cpu and relies more on gpu so you get more fps my pc got 900 fps cause of using cpu + sodium and when I used vulkan+gpu it boosted upto 5000 fps

  • @sleonov
    @sleonov 2 місяці тому

    Are you Silent Hill fan? Because I heard OST from SH2 in this video

  • @Regulinecolt009
    @Regulinecolt009 9 днів тому

    To be fair. Wouldn't performance be better on amd hardware when using VulkanMod? I'm pretty sure VulkanApi favors amd but Idk how been outta the loop for a minute

  • @taypexx
    @taypexx 5 місяців тому +3

    in order to properly test these performarnce mods you had to make sure you are completely GPU bound, because these mods mostly affect graphics, not the structure of the minecraft itself

  • @andrew_edwards
    @andrew_edwards 5 місяців тому +1

    try nvidium. you can more than likely do 32 chunks

  • @debooger
    @debooger 5 місяців тому

    vulkan is just a renderer, sodium does more than just optimizing rendering such as generating geometry of chunks

  • @acablade
    @acablade 5 місяців тому

    More gpu utilization is usually better

  • @JBinero
    @JBinero 4 місяці тому

    Half the things you measured are not changed by either of these mods, so any results you measured are just the result of normal fluctuation.

  • @ohimdabiggestbird
    @ohimdabiggestbird 5 місяців тому

    i know what you could try, join some type of server lobby, which is usually FULL with players, for example hypixel, it is a great way to benchmark, it has entities from, most importantnly players to things like mobs (hypixel pets) and item frames, and it has a bunch of particles, plus player models r rendered differently compared to other models to my knowledge, so i would love to see if vulcan does a better job rendering them since they tend to cause the most lag

    • @ViciousVinnyD
      @ViciousVinnyD 5 місяців тому

      Problem with server lobbies is their population changes as players join and leave, your result will be different for each test without changing anything.
      An ideal test would be loading a singleplayer world that has been played in for a long time, with many mob farms and automated harvesters causing block update lag, chunk loading lag and entity lag.
      And because it's singleplayer, you can re-load the world from a backup for each test, so in-game events occur in the exact same way for each test.

    • @ohimdabiggestbird
      @ohimdabiggestbird 5 місяців тому

      @@ViciousVinnyD the thing is, for what i've experienced, and take this with a grain of salt, because i do not have the best computer, nothing in minecraft causes as much lag, as entites, my frames go between 400 and 200 no matter the chunks and activities that are loaded or loading, but just the appearance of 20 players on the screen, or stacked totem items (in crystal pvp) on the ground, causes immense lag, that drops my frames down to sometimes even 20
      although joining something like hypixel isn't the most accurate benchmark, it is a great way to see how the backend of the mod, deals with rendering players that as mentioned above, tend to cause the most lag, because at this point i believe no matter how good the mod does in the conditions you mentioned, it doesn't prove its capability in rendering entites, because for all i know it could do worse than sodium which already does pretty bad
      and finally, for my knowledge, player models are rendered differently than mobs, this could be complete bull what im saying, but i do believe there is something to it, because my computer can load 100 mobs no problem but struggles to load 20 players, same with items on the ground, it can load them fine until they're stacked on top of each-other

  • @manofapocalypse
    @manofapocalypse 5 місяців тому +1

    there is also Nvidium

    • @someone4229
      @someone4229 5 місяців тому

      True, but it's just for chunks and it also does not support shaders, like vulkan.

  • @XIeepy1
    @XIeepy1 5 місяців тому +3

    What if we connect this mods?
    Use all Sodium optimization and add vullan render to it

  • @mrc0a124
    @mrc0a124 5 місяців тому

    I used sodium and stuff but ive gone back to optifine since it does enough and i can't be asked to install all that every update

  • @flamingscar5263
    @flamingscar5263 5 місяців тому +1

    Depends on your hardware, like significantly depends
    The more modern the more it will lean towards Vulkan, the older the more it will lean towards sodium
    I'm Ignoring nvidium its exclusive to Nvidia and many people play Minecraft with iGPUs, which will never be Nvidia
    Older hardware will have been desgined for Minecrafts ancient graphics API known as openGL (seriously the newest openGL version came out in 2017) and no mod other then vulkan mod changes away from openGL
    Newer hardware will have been optimized for Vulkan, a significantly more modern and faster API, hell for the small amount of Intel ARC GPU users youll see performance differences in the thousands of %, thats not an exaggeration, those GPUs have such bad openGL support that going from sodium to Vulkan could mean the difference of 60fps and 600fps
    For us AMD gpu users the difference isnt that significant, but still significant, AMDs openGL support is pretty bad as well, not nearly non existent like Intel ARC, but pretty bad, Vulkan is much faster for us
    The only company that actually has good openGL support is Nvidia, they happen to be the most popular GPU maker, but the nearly 20% of us not using Nvidia will lean towards Vulkan

  • @0Blueaura
    @0Blueaura 5 місяців тому

    i just want Nvidium to work with shaders..

  • @CathodeRayKobold
    @CathodeRayKobold 5 місяців тому

    Test it with Create mod. Put down 50 train bogeys, but don't turn them into a train. Those are the laggiest blocks I can think of.

  • @JimBimBum
    @JimBimBum 5 місяців тому

    there's a way to run vulkan and opengl but i forgot how it was done but it wasn't done with minecraft yet. something about "gfx portability ashes" to have vulkan over opengl as in vulkan api can run with opengl api for compatibility.

  • @soraphii
    @soraphii Місяць тому

    crazy that vulkan actually gives me so much fps than sodium, too bad there are many glitches though

  • @Straight4778
    @Straight4778 5 місяців тому +1

    Vulkan mod is unstable compared to sodium which is the reason why the fps isnt consistent compared to sodium 1200-1300 fps

  • @RiverHeights
    @RiverHeights 2 місяці тому

    PC is too good to show the real difference. This is my main issue with videos that show FPS mods. 16 render distance and 800fps is insane in my books

  • @user-dw8kx5nj4j
    @user-dw8kx5nj4j 3 місяці тому

    Bro you have to allocate CPU cores in Vulcan to have faster losing chunks

  • @kirilkomashko9704
    @kirilkomashko9704 5 місяців тому

    imagine:
    vulkan rendering engine with sodium's mc rendering engine optimizations

  • @bonczus3058
    @bonczus3058 5 місяців тому

    The thing i care about for my pc is chunk gen speed, on my weak pc my fps is more than fine even with high render distance but exploring new chunks is often nearly impossible especially when using elytra because new chunks generate way too slow, i wonder if this mod does the job on that better than sodium

  • @Egylexy-GMD
    @Egylexy-GMD 2 місяці тому

    i have a rtx 4050 and intel i5 12500H. when i started my laptop for the first time and got minecraft, and with sodium, i got around 900 fps sometimes up to 1000. But now, 1.5 month later, i am only getting 200 fps, with sodium! can someone help me fix?

  • @PiotrBarcz
    @PiotrBarcz 4 місяці тому

    Does Vulkan work with shaders? I don't remember that being a thing, at least Sodium does and with Iris the performance goes up even more.
    However someone said that Vulkan works best on AMD GPUs, yeah that makes sense, so Nvidium is basically the same except it works only on Nvidia GPUs.

    • @_Rad6
      @_Rad6 4 місяці тому +1

      No, Vulkan doesn't work with shaders. And no, it's not "Nvidium for AMD cards", these mods do completely different things.

    • @PiotrBarcz
      @PiotrBarcz 4 місяці тому

      @@_Rad6 I see. Because it seems a lot of people are saying it is xD

  • @plaguegaming3642
    @plaguegaming3642 5 місяців тому

    i really wouldn't worry about performance if you never dip below your monitors refresh rate

  • @popcapk5536
    @popcapk5536 5 місяців тому

    it very much depends on your gpu, intel igpus are signafacantly better with vulkanmod for example

  • @mathewkaiser7667
    @mathewkaiser7667 5 місяців тому

    I feckin love salt

  • @Viper_Playz
    @Viper_Playz 5 місяців тому

    crazy quality for 1.8k subs

  • @mc-not_escher
    @mc-not_escher 4 місяці тому

    Speaks nothing to folks running on older hardware (Java latest version, also latest MC build with AMDGPU + Vulkan + Wayland and no mods, all on GCN2 hardware). I remember the good old days of infdev, QQ…

  • @memetech-
    @memetech- 5 місяців тому +1

    Home on, F3 says FPS

    • @Greaful
      @Greaful 5 місяців тому

      it can lower ur fps when using f3 so its usually better to install a fps mod like he did

  • @playerzero0000
    @playerzero0000 5 місяців тому

    As far as I'm aware, the Vulkan api is optimized towards AMD gpus, so your 3060 may not show improvements.

  • @azharbashirbashir8947
    @azharbashirbashir8947 2 місяці тому +1

    Bro have a quantum pc😅😅

  • @vistaero
    @vistaero 5 місяців тому

    Vulkan is simply the better choice. Next Minecraft update should migrate to Vulkan, so all modders are forced to add support for it. OpenGL has no business in a game in 2024 as it doesn't even allow for real raytracing.

  • @Y0ung_w1ll
    @Y0ung_w1ll 5 місяців тому

    This doesn't work for certain devices just an info

  • @stabilizergspro7233
    @stabilizergspro7233 5 місяців тому

    Simple answer : No
    And it was Ruining my Minecraft rendering

  • @juli0q
    @juli0q 5 місяців тому

    Well from the FPS Overlay it looks like you are using an NVIDIA Graphics card. NVIDIA famously has bad support for Vulkan

  • @GKGames2018
    @GKGames2018 5 місяців тому

    You might wanna cap FPS at 60 for utilization test