Sorry I took a while to get this out! Been out for the past 3 months due to personal issues and health complications, but I think those are mostly sorted out now and I hope I can continue at good pace uploading more videos! Please support me on Patreon if you enjoy my content and support free education: www.patreon.com/JouzuJuls Or join the Discord server to be in an active community of Japanese learners: discord.gg/jouzu
I'm so sorry to ask you this. I love your content and I love your deck , I've watched your videos multiple times and I still strugle with creating a deck like yours. I might be the worst anki user in your community, but can you please make a step by step guide on how you make cards for your deck 🥺? I would be so grateful if you could. Thank you for all your content.
Sounds like you're working hard! 💪 Just be aware that momentum and motivation is fleeting, make sure to recognize and tackle burnout before it hits you unexpectedly! Have that preparation and you'll be unstoppable 😎
Ease is not a problem anymore with FSRS. FSRS is so much better than the older algorithm. Just by enabling FSRS and setting the retention to 0.8-0.85 you will be less overwhelmed with anki by a good margin.
Ease is indeed still a problem with FSRS, in fact Ease Hell is even WORSE in FSRS if you misuse Easy & Hard (Which is how Ease Hell starts in the first place). This is why the 2 button grading scheme is even better for FSRS. Furthermore, FSRS is not "so much better" than the older algorithm, it's about 10% better if you read the actual papers on it. You wouldn't be overwhelmed with Anki in the first place even without FSRS if you had simply used the tips in this video to keep Anki in control. Even if you have FSRS and don't do what I said in this video, eventually Anki *will* spiral out of control because life is unpredictable.
@@arthurvc79 They may not call it Ease but it has the same effect. If ease does not exist, hard and easy would have no affect on how often the card shows up. And furthermore, they would not need to **SPECIFICALLY** have a WARNING for pressing the Hard button when you should be pressing Again for FSRS. Pressing Again/Good does not create any problems- cannot create problems. Misuse of Hard used to make problems, and still makes problems. Furthermore it's simply unnecessary.
I understand that you prefer setting Anki interface language to Japanese, but most of the people who watch this video haven’t reached that level of proficiency yet. Maybe change the language to English and set it back to JP when you finish recording
Considered it but also realized it's not that big of a deal since the buttons don't move around and I'm also saying what buttons to press, I also don't think my viewers are stupid so I'm sure they can figure things out ^^
The thing about changing the new card number is so true, at first I felt bad about reducing it, or not doing any new cards at all, but somedays you are just too busy or too stressed with other things in your life and don't have the mental to force yourself to learn x new words Also for removing the hard and easy button without migaku, I use an add-on called: Pass/Fail 2: Remove the "Easy" and "Hard" buttons It removes the buttons from the UI, meaning you can only press them if you press 2 or 4 on your keyboard when grading a card
Absolutely! Just being told and having it affirmed that setting new cards to 0 is completely OK is such a mental relief I feel. More people should be saying this instead of throwing blanket statements like "20 a day is good"! Thanks for that plugin recommendation!
6:25 You can do not only that, but for super retention there is an option like: 1 card - screenshot + audio sentence (to catch and remember where the word is coming from) 2 card - sentence 3 card - word in kanji (the most popular one) 4 card - just word sound So when you do 100 cards it will be only 25 words but retention should be much better and after a few weeks you can just archive prevedessi cards or change them to card type with only word kanji. Nowadays I think it's actually not a bad thing to forget some words, when you see them next time you'll remember them much better anyhow.
Now that I'm out of the hospital and we finally figured out what's wrong, hopefully there'll be no more trips back! The best gift I could ask for this holiday is just good health 😊
One thing that helped me was setting a specific amount of time I want to do Anki. What I do is pick a time (30 minutes for example) then I’ll do my reviews and with the left over time do news. This works as long as you finish reviews and you can do higher times if you want to spend more time on Anki that day.
great video. I planned to learn Japanese in 2025 with Anki. As I already fixed my life this year. Currently the rest of this month am finishing fixing my life. This way I have more time for learning and no excuses 🎉
That new year motivation is powerful, but make sure you use that motivation to create a long term habit instead of a fleeting flame! Make sure you set realistic expectations, pace yourself, and think of the long run, and fluency will follow! Good luck with learning Japanese and I hope you'll subscribe so I can be part of your journey too!
@JouzuJuls thank you. I just subscribed. Well it is no new year motivation. I planned 3 months ago that I will start learning japanese next year. As I will be doing buissness in the future in Japan. Therefore I need to learn the language, in order to communicate. I also appreciate that u exist. Ur content helps me alot in that journey 😊
I use the hard button when I first get introduced to the word. Then the start becomes more gradual which really helps me. Cause a lot of words I won't remember well enough by next day. I typically do Again if I didn't remember it, hard if I already pressed again and still messing up, and good when I get it. So the only time I use hard is when I've already used Again or seeing it for the first time. It works really well for me. Gives me a more gradual start. I also do easy occasionally on super simple words that I know. This process works really well to me, despite people telling me to not use hard or easy.
Just in time for my potential return to anki soon 😅 Glad to see you back man! Honestly your videos have motivated me to give video making another shot (even though I of course do not have your experience & skills quite yet) and it's been a lot of fun, so thanks for all the great videos!
Thank you very much Pat! Glad my videos are not only helpful for Japanese but to motivate you to make videos too 😊 Experience & skills come with practice- keep it up mate! (And feel free to come ask me for feedback on stuff!)
FSRS doesn't need to be mentioned because it doesn't have a major effect when you set up Anki the way I have in this video. Further, it doesn't get rid of the ease problem, and it's actually EVEN WORSE on FSRS if you misuse the Easy/Hard buttons (which is the source of Ease Hell in the first place). The 2 button grading format works even better on FSRS. If you've felt a "major efficiency change" when switching to FSRS, it's probably because you weren't doing some of the tips in this video in the first place.
@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state: "According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further. Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm. However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews." FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2. FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you? What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval. I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state: "According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further. Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm. However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews." FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2. FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you? What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval. I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
@@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state: "According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further. Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm. However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews." FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2. FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you? What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval. I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
This video was very useful and made me realize things that I was doing wrong in Anki: - I tried the Core 2K/6K once, but I wasn't suspending the words I already knew. Since I'm in an intermediate level, I know very well the first hundreds of words on the deck. So it became boring and I gave up. But now I re-downloaded the Core deck and now I made sure to suspend all the words I know. Because I know that among the hundreds of words I know, there are other hundreds that I didn't see in my life. - I was focusing a lot in kanji because sometimes there were words that I was mistaking with each other because I was confused with their kanji (for example 穏やか, 鮮やか or 賑やか). But instead of learn kanji that I already know and try to think about a mnemonic on every kanji (trust me, this is very boring and tiring), from now I will only look for the kanji in extreme situations like the example I told. Again, thank you for making this video and hope I can do better in my studies from now on
Hey just a heads up, FSRS is probably soon going to replace the old scheduler in Anki. This would mean that worrying about card ease will be a thing of the past soon. Also ever since I started using it my daily review time went from 1h for my vocab deck to 40min. FSRS does a great job in predicting your actual retention. The only thing to keep in mind is not to misuse the hard button 😊
FSRS is already in play for most people using modern version of Anki and doesn't change anything mentioned in this video ^^ This video is about how to take control of Anki as a user rather than letting Anki take control of you. So regardless of what algorithm Anki uses, YOU have to be responsible for how long your reviews are and making sure you don't burn out!
I've started trying to understand the meanings intuitively by listening to a sentence before I grade the card, and it's the same with reading too. As a result, with reading I've encountered an unexpected, yet hilarious, problem: I can understand a sentence faster than I can read it. In other words, I'll know what the sentence means before I remember what any of the words sound like in my head lol.
That's natural and normal- it's how we read in our first language too (assuming you're fully literate in your first language cuz people aren't 🙄🤪) There's nothing wrong with this and you get to read at a faster pace, so it's actually beneficial. If you did want to work on your pronunciation for example, then you could read the words out loud, record yourself, then compare it to the native recording of it-- but otherwise reading in your head without sub-vocalizing is recommended!
Everyone should make sure that FSRS is enabled in Anki. It’s a much better scheduling algorithm. Also, quick question. Do you recommend a lower desired retention if the number of reviews are adding up too much compared to how much free time one has in a day? I know there’s a curve of desired retention to time spent, and the 0.80-0.90 range is the best. I personally lowered mine to 0.83 to lose only a few percentage point but lower my review count drastically. If it doesn’t even out to less time spent after a while, then I might lower it again so that I can have more time actually immersing which should in return actually increase my retention.
FSRS is not a big of a deal as people make it out to be- if you actually read the papers, you'll see a *small* time reduction for the same performance. In the case of all the tips in this video, it sets you up to be as efficient as possible in the first place, so the efficiency you save with FSRS actually isn't that much. Of course, if you have the option to use FSRS, you should! I personally am still on Anki v2.1.49 which doesn't have FSRS, and I don't update because updating breaks a bunch of plugins, and I'm already working as efficiently as possible and it's not worth breaking my plugins for the small reduction. Anybody that isn't following my **exact** setup SHOULD already have FSRS enabled by default so I didn't even mention it ^^
@@JouzuJuls Yeah i also got a bunch of plugins broken when updating. The one i used that was updated to latest version through a fork is migaku japanese, so i dont have reasons to stick to 2.1.35 anymore.
It should be there by default. If it's not there, you either have some addon that's getting rid of it, or you have Beautify Anki and that's causing a bug with the interface. If it's the latter, I have a fix here: ua-cam.com/video/zaCsE8vFpfs/v-deo.html
1:41 there is another solution which is just to add new cards that have kanji you already know like if you have 火 you can guess what 炎 means and then possibly even 火炎放射器 that's how i do it and it helps especially because you'll learn the On and Kun reading naturally like this
Time stamp seems off, but yep- having good knowledge of radicals is another way to approach Kanji as you'll be able to see how the pieces are built up ^^
@@JouzuJuls right also i forgot to mention if the kanji you know in the Word has nothing to do with the meaning (which i’ve heard is a thing) you can obviously create a mnemonic a.k.a a Story and tie it all together
@@oldsport Mnemonics for Japanese are interesting. They're 100% recommended for just about everything... except language learning, and that's because it seems that they just take too long. As someone using Anki long before I added Japanese flashcards, I'd been using mnemonics for Physics, Chemistry, Maths, etc., but when I tried using them for Japanese, I found they were alright, but all-in-all really time consuming. Ultimately, brute-forcing it now takes less time and is of course more realistic to real language use. Plus, especially problematic if you're creating mnemonics in English, when really you want to be switching to full-on Japanese ASAP in thinking about using the Japanese language. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for inteference and delay when trying to recall those words later in real life situations. That's probably why a lot of Japanese language learners generally advise that learning radicals isn't such a great use of time unless you're just genuinely interested in the radicals themselves (i.e. some Japanese linguistics).
@@KojoBailey honestly an interesting view, went against a lot of what I've seen online. I've always used Migaku's Kanji god's stories/mnemonics, and had very good results for it. like 90% retention for 10 new kanji a day, even when I forgot the original story I can never forget the kanji, plus no time wasted as the stories are already made and highly memorable. The mnemonics are just placeholders, i.e. ways to encode it. The method you use is not as important as the results and the speed... Overall I think you might be selling the technique a bit short with regards to language learning, might be worth looking into migaku kanji god and giving it another shot!
On point 2, I just have Anki show me new cards after I have already completed all my reviews. That way it is automatically flexible to how much I want to do.
I disagree with the point that RRTK decks are useless. They help to recognise the Kanji. Although a small deck like the RRTK450 is most likely sufficient for that purpose
Please re-listen to the point again- I didn't say RTK is useless, I said they're *not useful* and *innefficient*. Keep in mind that I've done RTK and written out all the Jouyou kanji from it. It took me 1.5 years to get through the entire thing and everytime I did it, I didn't want to do it. You say "they help recognize the Kanji", and yes, that's true. I found RTK to be effective in allowing me to quickly recognize all Jouyou Kanji. But have you asked "is this the BEST/most EFFICIENT way to recognize Kanji"? My peers that have started studying around the same time I have and have put in similar amounts of studying time but *haven't* done RTK are also able to recognize all Jouyou kanji, but they just took slightly longer than me. Those who do more reading focused immersion have even BEAT me in recognizing all Jouyou Kanji without using RTK. All things considered, I don't believe the benefits of RTK outweigh the cons. The biggest con of which is that it can literally lead to people giving up on studying Japanese entirely.
Love the videos keep it up. Do you have any advice on how to read manga, I tried finding an ocr that compatible with migaku or yomi chan like mokuro but there no good tutorials out there to download it. (I also use a mac) But any reading tips would be great. Anyways I love the content and keep it up.
I will cover this in the next video on mining where you'll get tools to OCR manga and pipe them into either Migaku or Yomitan for mining. Unfortunately I use ShareX for OCR which I don't think is available for Mac, but it can really be any OCR software so I'm sure you can find one yourself! After you have the OCR software, the next video will guide you through what to do 👍
You're very welcome! I'd say that most of the tips in this video have a bigger effect on one's psyche and fatigue more so than actual statistics and numbers, so see how you *feel* about changing things up too! (That being said, in the case of using easy and hard- that very clearly DOES have an effect on the cards)
Personally i am doing a Remembering the Kanji Heisig deck, a 2k words and my personal sentence mining decks. And it works fine, they even compliment each other.
Well you've convinced me to remove hard and easy buttons. I don't feel like I've ran into this "ease hell" but I'm also not sure I understand the problem entirely, so I'll just trust someone who has interfaced with anki this much instead. Often I used hard because I slightly missed a syllable in the reading yet understood the word and the sentence entirely, but I will try bury instead. Graduating a card makes so much sense too, thank you for that! I'm at about 1300 words 16k reviews this year and when something like "ichi" comes up I at least get a laugh out of it.
I'm just doing picture + mined sentence audio on the from. This way I just have to guess the target word every time, this was listening skills are improving super fast as well as grammar, and I don't have to spend to much time on it
@ I'm just reading with furigana 😗 Reading with furigana on lingq and when I know the word I'm just offing furigana on that word (and maybe adding to deck if there are new kanji readings) Learning words in kanji from the starts irritates me because I can not learn 40 words a day, not saying about a good retention for those words. So I just gave up on Anki for the most part.
Great video, however, I strongly disagree on the Kanji deck front. An RTK deck can 1000% turbo boost your immersion because even if you kanji aren’t words, you can’t comprehensively input symbols you don’t understand.
Thanks! So a few point with RTK 1. If you want to claim that RTK can 1000% turbo boost your immersion- you'd need to have data suggestion that: 2 people who started learning at similar times, that put in similar amount of time and effort into studying, except 1 used RTK and the other didn't-- and as a result of that, the RTK person pulled GREATLY ahead of the non-RTK person. But no such data exists. Matter of fact the data that **does** exist suggests the following: - RTK provides a minor boost in your ability to learn new vocab (I took 1.5 years to finish RTK & learn all 2000 jouyou kanji, while my peers who started at a similar time took about 2 years) - Most people who begin RTK never finish it (some even quit learning Japanese entirely because of RTK) Furthermore, if you encountered an unknown word like 詳細 during immersion, and you are armed with individual kanji study from RTK- you'd see it as "detailed - dainty", and then you'd have to do some jumps to get to the actual meaning of the word. The alternative for someone who didn't do RTK is to press shift on the word to pop up Yomichan and see the word's definition. Also keep in mind that RTK does not teach the **MEANINGS** of individual kanji, it assigns an arbitrary keyword that may or may not be the meaning. So if you *believed* it was the meaning- there in lies another problem with RTK, the people using it don't even know what they're doing. This allows people to customize the keyword to whatever they want, as this allows RTK to still do what it does. Finally, RTK is **not the only way** to approach Kanji. The radical approach of using building blocks and shapes to break down Kanji allows learners to go from seeing Kanji as random scribbles, to actual pieces that fit together-- that's also the method that's taught in Chinese and Japanese schools and allow people to instinctively get a kanji without Mnemonics. Overall, the pros do not outweigh the cons imo.
Anki now has a different srs algorithm where you don't worry about easefactor. But I still prefer only using good or false because it's faster to not have to decide.
It's not true that you don't have to worry about ease in FSRS. If ease doesn't exist, then pressing Hard or Easy wouldn't make the card show up more/less-- that is the fundamental function of ease. Furthermore, Ease Hell is actually even worse in FSRS, so much so that Anki literally has to put a warning for you NOT to press Hard when you should be pressing Again. So yes, the 2 button layout solves that issue entirely- and it also makes it much easier to decide!
Are you working on a new video about using updated Migaku for sentence mining perhaps? I feel like the annotation for that tutorial is right, and I fell like Im just about ready to move to that step of my learning but I'm not entirely sure. I used Duolingo very consistently for a whole year and started using Anki about 6 months ago, admittedly having trouble staying consistent. But I about three months left until my friends and I take a trip to Japan and I would like to be able to get some of the fundamentals of conversation down before then. Unfortunately all my time studying vocab with Anki has left me lacking in basic conversational vocab and ability. :(
I am indeed working on a Mining video but it will use more than just Migaku- it will be on every single possible form of media using my entire arsenal of tools, so you can get the best tool for each job! When it comes to basic conversation- Imma lay it straight but, don't have the expectation of being able to converse when the bulk of your studies consist of Duolingo and Anki. I'd recommend watching this video- a lecture by the linguist Dr. Stephen Krashen and his theory called "The Input Hypothesis", it goes over the theory that I and many other learners use to actually *acquire* languages and have that lead to output ability: ua-cam.com/video/4DFjUR22Wnc/v-deo.html
@ Damn, that’s gonna be a crazy video then. Yes I’ve been watching your videos now for several months and I’ve learned a lot about the process of language acquisition from all you amazing folks making videos on it. Sadly I haven’t spent nearly as much time inputting as I could have or honestly should have. It’s been intimidating trying to spend so much time immersing and getting over that hump of not understanding, as well as finding content I want to watch. I think I can benefit a lot from starting to mine more common every day vocab so I’m looking forward to that vid drop!
Being honest with yourself and saying "I haven't been immersing as much as I should have" is a very responsible thing to say- but I don't think it's as simple to solve as "just start immersing". You've accurately identified most of the pain points of people who are starting to immerse- "shit doesn't make sense!" - "idk where to find content!" - "children's content is comprehensible but boring AF!" Those make up the bulk of the things I hear from students who book me for classes. My next video will go over the *technical aspects* of mining- like how to use the tech. But for things like these, I might need a separate video. Feel free to book a 1-on-1 class with me if you want to get some direct tips on *where & how* to start getting immersion material as well as tips to being more consistent with immersion ^^ I offer lessons on jouzujuls.com/classes 😊
I use the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary deck. Do you think I should change it for one of the decks you recommend? I already have 1000 mature cards, so I dont know what to do
All core decks are basically the same, just keep using the one you're already using. Even if one of the ones I recommend is more efficient, it really won't make that big of a difference.
I’ve been using your version of the 2k/6k anki deck and I like it so far. However, it’s only been showing me the listening cards and not the reading cards and I don’t know how to fix it. Is this common problem?
Yea I'm not sure why that happens for some people- it's definitely not unique to you. I'm unsure what the fix is but someone on the Discord server posted it somewhere, see if you can ask for help there! discord.gg/HfyyB4uRHU
Best way to learn the conjugations of words? Decks and dictrionary lookups always show me the base form even if it was conjugated in the sentence. Good way to learn about them when u encounter them and should i make cards based on that specific conjugation even if i understand the base dictionary form?
If you're on the latest version of AnkiDroid, it should be using the FSRS algorithm already. This means the again button shouldn't change your ease. Sticking to again/good will work fine.
@JouzuJuls ah perfect thanks. Yes i used your video to help me set up anki so i knew about the 2 buttons thing.. i saw in the options something about ease modify 1.3 or something, that's all okay to leave?
@@Denzarki Hmm, I'm not that familiar with the mobile app so it's hard for me to say. I did check my cards on the phone app and I can see the ease factor, but that's because I'm not using FSRS. Most people should already be on FSRS. Yea I'm not really sure what to do about your situation. That said, I would recommend doing Anki on a computer anyway since that's where it's the most powerful, especially when you get to mining.
Not a race! Focus on making the best video you can and you'll get better at making videos too! 😎 I've seen your channel, keep up the work on documenting your journey man!
Bro i wanted to ask i have been using the kaishi 1.5k deck I am around 15 percent done with the deck for now But i realise that a deck like 2k/6k would have more words and hence I would be able to learn more vocabulary What would you recommend and what should I do after completing the kaishi 1.5k
I started watching this video thinking HELL YEAH I'M GONNA MAKE A CHANGE IN MY LIFE, so I adjusted my max reviews per day and it says I have to review 1918 cards today, this is not for the weak (me)
This means that the entire time you've been using Anki, you've been doing so incorrectly and have thousands of cards that you should have reviewed gone unreviewed. This is equivalent to just missing a bunch of days. In order to catch up, simply turn your new cards to 0 and work on breaking down this 1918 bit by bit over a few days until it becomes more manageable. Remember there's nothing wrong with doing Anki over several sessions throughout the day instead of just 1 big session.
@JouzuJuls thank you🥺 no I know, it's so bad because I barely had time to study japanese because of school:( I've been getting immersion though, but it feels like the bare minimum these days. thank you so much for the tips, I can finally use anki without feeling overwhelmed 👏
Personally I don't mine words. I've found that when reading n3 manga, the rate at which I encounter words seem to reflect their frequency (jpdb). Almost all of the words that I have had to look up, fall under the 10k most common words and most of those fall between 3000-5000. Therefore I personally believe mining to be more inefficient. You either risk learning words that are not common at all, or you select words based on their frequency, which at that point using a scrapped jpdb list would be better. I reckon harder material will have harder words, but I am guessing that at least up until the 10k mark, the words appear frequently enough to be worth learning. I've seen people argue that learning words you encountered while immersing, makes it easier to learn such words and their use cases. But I disagree, being able to read manga and not have to worry about making new cards has given me the chance to encounter the words I've learned at a quicker intervals, as well as it has given me the chance of focusing on grammar instead of a large chunk of my time spent making anki cards. There are ways to automate the creation of cards with yomitan, but I've found that I prefer to select which definitions of a word to remember. This is just what works for me though.
This sounds like an issue because you're conflating "Mining" with "Immersion" as if they're something to be done together- but there in lies the root of the problem. If you are Mining while Immersing, that is by definition not "immersion" as you cannot be "immersed" if you're stopping to make cards- you'd be acting like a learner. There is a time for Mining, and there is a time for Immersion. The second thing is the frequency list. You seem to worry more about some frequency list more so than the words you are literally encountering in your immersion. What is more important- the fact that some word ranks highly on some list, or that fact that you are seeing this word and have an actual use for it? When it comes to your own personal frequency list, the words that you see all rank higher in frequency than the words that you haven't. You'd have to ask yourself what the point of doing Anki is in the first place. Because Anki's primary job is to make sure you don't forget the words you've seen, allowing you to increase your vocab and comprehend more stuff, thus allowing you to remember more stuff. So when you immerse- immerse. After you immerse, you can make some time to Mine! The mining guide will come out soon but there are many automated tools- not to mention section 4 of this video shows how to use Core as your backup library so you *don't* need to create your own cards but instead re-use already created ones. You'll be able to choose the definition you want, it won't get in the way of your immersion, and all the words have an immediate applicable purpose specific to you. That's the benefit of mining ^^
@@JouzuJuls Ah I just assumed that people did their mining during immersion, splitting the 2 up seems to make a lot more sense. As for your other point, I use Anki as a tool to build a basic foundation of a word first and then through immersion, improve my understanding of said word. Getting your words from mining or a premade list, doesn't really seem all that different to me in terms of how effective it is at learning words. At the end of the day you're going to see the word again and again. That being said, the rate at which you encounter words will vary. When I encounter a word that ranks somewhere in the 5000s, I know that the rate in which I will encounter the word again will be lower than a word that is more frequent. Of course that means that I am basing a large part of my learning on a number that might not even be accurate, but I trust jpdb in its ranking and the various media it is based on, matches the content I enjoy immersing in. I personally think that either way, through my method or mining, you'll eventually end up with similar looking decks, although I personally believe mining to be more inefficient (I totally get why people prefer mining over a soulless list though). If the frequency of these words were to be believed, the order in which your mined deck was made will somewhat resemble the frequency list. However, I think that the order in which you learn these words, would ideally be based on frequency. I do think there's a point where words get uncommon enough that it simply might be more efficient to mine them from content you actually consume, however I can't really say what that point is. At the end of the day mining is still a great way to learn and language learning doesn't have to be super efficient, I'm personally just someone who likes to care maybe a bit too much about min-maxing the method in how I do something. I'm also just using a lot of speculation, it might not give me the results I think it will. When I get good enough in Japanese to make videos about it, I might at sometime end up posting a video about how I personally learned Japanese in which I can reflect on the methods I've chosen.
Splitting up the 2 processes makes a huge difference! Some people are stuck in purgatory and can never stop themself from mining, and they've never truly felt "immersed" before because of that 😢 There will absolutely be a difference in the quality of cards you get from mining & from precreated cards (unless you're getting precreated cards from an anime that you're watching for example) The issue I'd have with that is that there are better alternatives. Why take every single word from an anime- including ones you may already know, if there are options to automatically mine every **UNKNOWN** and **N+1** word from an anime, customized to fit your needs? Such option does exist as I'll show in the next video ^^ When it comes to rate of encounter, think about it like this instead. If you're reading a full light novel, how many words do you think would be unknown to you at your level? For reference, I literally scanned a whole book and found that at my level: Out of the 48,864 words in the whole book, there were only 4,816 **UNIQUE** words. And out of those, I had 2,574 unknown words out of the 1,291 unknown **UNIQUE** words. And I'm willing to bet I'm probably at a higher level than you at the moment, so I'd expect you to have even more unknown words than me. Note how there are literally 10x the amount of words in a book compared to the unique words? This means that if you learn a word that may not be high on a frequency list- the frequency in your particular book *could actually be quite high*. The fact that the frequency in YOUR IMMERSION MATERIAL is higher, should overwrite what some list says-- IMO ^^ Eventually all decks will look somewhat similar- but that's not the point, it's the order in which you learn the words that specifically enhance each individuals ability to comprehend **their specific immersion material**. In terms of min maxing- I believe creating 100 cards from an episode of anime you're watching using 1 click & having all those words be immediately applicable and targetted for you is much more efficient than doing 100 random cards that have no relation to you & that may or may not appear simply based on some list ^^
@@JouzuJuls Oh wait I didn't even read the title. I meant the thumbnail. I really like the one with the "How to Actually STAY Consistent" better than the random face. That's what I meant
@@doce3609 Ohhh ok ok-- that's actually really good feedback. UA-cam actually now gives you the feature to upload multiple thumbnails and collect data on which is performing better- and it auto swaps and samples from different people, which is what you're seeing 😋 Thanks for the feedback!
I should probably also make a video on how to recover from missing a few days. But yes setting new cards to 0 for several weeks is perfectly fine! For the past few months I've been having health issues and personal problems, so for about 3 months I just had 0 new cards too-- nothing to be ashamed of, life happens!
@JouzuJuls It can't be the same; fsrs doesn't have ease. It's also been shown that 4 buttons is a little better than 2 and that short term reviews have an effect on long term (and short term) memory as of some relatively recent research at time of posting. So I would think it would be different. But since you're not using it, it makes sense that you wouldn't be tracking the information. Thanks for clarifying!
@@littlered6340 If FSRS doesn't have ease, then what do you expect it to do when you hit the hard and easy buttons? Hard and easy makes the cards show up more/less frequently- that's ease. FSRS specifically carries the warning for NOT pressing Hard when you should be pressing Again. If you just ignore Hard entirely, not only does it make deciding what to press easier, but it avoids bad Hard presses. 2. I know the resource you're citing. 4 buttons have been shown to have better results on **a super small sample size** that has been **specifically instructed on what to do and when to do it.** It does not reflect real users who have not read the manual and are not 100% sure when to press what button. In the real world, people just press the button all willy nilly and end up messing up the cards and needing to do hella more reviews than they really need to. Nobody reports this problem when you use 2 buttons.
@@JouzuJuls Ease is a specific variable that FSRS doesn't use. Extrapolating out the final function and saying FSRS uses it is like saying FSRS is the same as Super Memo. The research had to be changed and explained properly because when scientists find out research was done incorrectly and came to the wrong conclusion, they often prefer to change their methods to come to the correct conclusion. Regardless of sample size. But I dunno man, you do you, but this convo feels weird. All I asked is if you don't use FSRS and concluded that your video makes sense *if you don't.* It's just not for people who do (who have already been told what Again and Hard means) and that's fine. Have a good day I guess.
@@littlered6340 Exactly, your conclusion is incorrect. I don't quite care what you call Ease, let's get rid of that word and call it "the thing that makes cards appear more frequently when you press hard". As long as this exists, pressing Hard incorrectly will lead to cards showing up more than they need to. The 2 button method has already shown to work *even better in FSRS* than before FSRS because of the negligible improvement you get from correctly using 4 buttons compared to the potential time save of using 2 buttons. Most people are not using Hard properly because they haven't read the manual and won't read the manual. Or even after they read the manual they STILL won't understand what to do. The small sample size *does* have an impact because when we take a bigger sample size, we see that most people that do 4 button are really at a *disadvantage* instead. Your conclusion shouldn't be that 2 button is better for non-FSRS. It should be that "*certain* 4 button users on FSRS who have been specifically instructed on what to do perform *slightly better* than random users who use 2 button on FSRS- who already get their desired result without any problems. While a majority 4 button users that haven't been specifically instructed on what to do perform worse than random 2 button users and have complaints about cards appearing too many times." As I said, FSRS or not doesn't matter.
As I stated in the video, it's entirely up to you whether it's good or not. Some people say "don't spend more than 30 mins" other says "don't spend more than an hour" None of these people take into consideration: 1. How available are you for studying- can you afford several hours a day to study *consistently* over several days? 2. How motivated are you? Do you even WANT to spend several hours a day studying? If so, there's nothing wrong with spending many hours doing Anki, esp in the beginning phase where you can't comprehend that much in immersion. So I'd throw the question back to you- are you comfortable with 14 new a day? Do you feel you should do more or less? Entirely up to you 😎
@@JouzuJuls I feel like I forget the words off the top of my head is that normal? also when I press good and it says 5 days i get it in the span of 10 minutes is that a glitch?
Not sure what you mean by "forgetting words off the top of your head"-- care to elaborate a bit? When you press good and it says 5 days, it should show it to you again in 5 days. I've never heard of it NOT doing that. It could be that you're using a deck with Double Reviews, and one version of the card has an interval of 5 days, while the other version has an interval of 10 mins.
@@JouzuJuls I mean like for example I do the flashcards and then I try to quiz myself and I cant recall any of the words I learned I'm pretty sure its only 1 card per word and I checked and there is no doubles so im not sure why the intervals are glitched
Already have two actually! How UA-cam Polyglots LIE about Language Immersion: ua-cam.com/video/E6j5CphUJBc/v-deo.html ONE MIND HACK to 10x Your Language Immersion Everyday: ua-cam.com/video/JFKYC1pUC9I/v-deo.html
There's one thing that is false in this video. "All the words in all the core decks are all the same." That's not true at all. Frequency lists are highly dependent on the corpora used to base the list on. The order can vary WILDELY, not so much on the words present or not, true, but on the order. But, as the order can vary not only in dozens but even hundreds or even THOUSANDS, depending on how much words you have in your core deck there WILL be words present in one and not in the other, and quite a few. Frequency lists are NOT precise as people think. A word that, is, let's say in the position 15 in one list may be in the poosition 524 o in toher, or even higher.
Fortunately I did not say "All the words in all core decks are all the same" I said they "basically do" Core vocab (and I mean vocab core to the language, not "core" as in "in someone's core deck"-- you could say FUNDAMENTAL vocab) will not vary much, this is the case for all languages. In all languages, you can pick up any book on any topic and the most common words in the any media will always be generally the same selection. In English it will be "a", "the", "of", "and", "to" etc In Japanese it'd be like だ、する、ない、いる、ある etc You may say "Well this falls off very quickly" But first of all it really doesn't. It can go on for quite a while in every language, enough to give you... CORE vocab. And as stated in the video, the point of the Core Deck is to do exactly that- give you enough vocab so you can identify what you DON'T know so you can start mining stuff that's actually useful for your specific case. If you take a Core 6K deck for example, and say "well the 5000th word is gonna be different in every Core deck" Then yea sure of course it is, but just because it's in a core deck doesn't mean it's "core" vocabulary. I'd even ask why you're worrying about what's in the Core Deck if you get down to 5K 🤔
@@JouzuJuls The core vocab WILL vary a lot depending on the corpus used. A corpus based on NETFLIX shows or light novels or Asashi Shinbun will vary a lot. As I've said, it varies mostly regarding the RANKING of the words. But as any core deck is very limited, 2k only, 6k, there WILL be a lot of words including in one that will not be include in the other. Because words that are at the range of the 6k most common words in one will be at the 8k, 10k range in another list. You can even compare that yourself. So, I do not suggest using more than one, but I DID use more than one and not necessarily I regret doing so. I'd suspend the ones that I remembered already seeing in the other deck and letting the different ones. I'm insisting on that because it's important that people know that a "core deck" is NOT such a precise thing as it seems to be sold to people. It depends on the corpus. The RANKING of the words can vary by the hundreds. If you are using, let's say, a 30k, 60k deck that wouldn't be something to think about really. But a deck as short as 4 k, 5 k, will vary wildly. What is the 4,912th most common word in one list is the 7,032th most common in another and, therefore, will be out of a deck limited to 6k words.
No, don’t do that lol. You’ll get burned out on Anki if you go down that path. Anyone who’s been using Anki for years knows that’s the worst thing you can do, it’s like going completely against the grain
I agree that anki hell is a problem especially when you don't do much immersion next to it. But it's really not an inherent problem to Anki which should work more as an assistant (see Cure Dolly videos about Anki). I'm not the biggest fan of core decks, I generally prefer to add cards from immersion instead. So when I feel like I have time I add a few cards of core 2k in. Not many. Most of anki issues can be fixed by simply lowering the number of cards. I still find it usefull to review words I see in immersion or i'll probably forget them quite fast otherwise. Though it does help that I generally have some time in transports or waiting in line to do my anki easily everyday now.
Not sure what you mean by "that". I've been using Anki for years and can vouch for everything I say in this video. Would you like to compete with me to see who has better results?
Ease Hell is born from a misuse of Hard, which itself is unnecessary- so by eliminating the button entirely, we eliminate the possibility of Ease Hell, and we also alleviate decision fatigue since a black/white choice is much simpler. Mining cards from immersion is the next step after core. We're taking advantage of Stephen Krashen's i+1 theory when mining, whereby you must have an "i" (comprehensible) part in order to +1 to. Core offers a fast way to get "i" so that you can start doing +1's as fast as possible. You cannot i+1 if nothing is comprehensible, which would be the case in the very beginning. Yes, most of the issues relating to being consistent can be solved by simply doing less and allowing your mind and body to rest ^^
Your pronunciation of the word "grammar" may sound how it's spelled, but it's not how its pronounced by any native speakers, you should do your best to speak native level English as well as Japanese.
Actually I am a native English speaker, so there is at least one person that says it like this. You should do your best to be more open with other accents of English that aren't just American and British 🙂
I use JLAB deck, which I understand why it is not in your recommended deck but I can deal with the grammar part and we have our beloved late Dolly sensei's guide so for me its okay to use this one, but I just curious that what now I am doing is on the right track or does it need some advice or any optimisation guide and this vid is pop up thanks a lot for the advice and encouraging! I dont sure about my method but I wanna share with you guys :) I took a hardest (maybe a lot of effort and S-M behaviour) path when doing the deck by having 3 criteria; 1.listening 2.understand the meaning and grammar 3.I can write it correctly by my hand not typing. For the listening is quite obvious, play the sound until you get it and shadowing what does it saying, it may take a time like 気づくないのか which those natives articulate very fast and can be a tongue twister in the first try. Next is looking to its meaning with grammar breakdown, and to add more challenging by translate those card from Japanese into English and my mother tongue before see its translation of the card - that is 1 Japanese input and 2 translated output. On the top of that difficulty I learn how to write those words-vocab, phrases and sentences with kanji form. Although typing is kinda easier to do than writting but I admit that writting kanji is one of my stress relieve e hehe So in a day it quite took several hours to deal the deck, but the out come is quite impressive such that I have a better experience while watching anime, vtuber with less sub :)
Thanks for the comment! Let's see if I can help out a bit... 1. I'd first ask why you're practicing writing by hand? Do you plan to move to Japan and work in an office where you'd need to be writing in Japanese every day...? I'm not even sure what office job would require that. Or are you doing it out of pure interest for writing & calligraphy? Because if it's not for any of the above reasons, there's no practical purpose of learning how to write by hand in 2024-- realistically you will be communicating via typing for the most part, so it actually makes more sense to learn how to TYPE instead. Oh I read the bottom of your comment and see that it is a stress relief for you- and I get that too. Nothing wrong with this, but just keep in mind that writing *does* double the time you need on each card. 2. For your shadowing when listening, have you trained your ears to listen to pitch? Because if you haven't, there's a good chance that your ears are lying to you and you're actually hearing the wrong thing- thus shadowing the wrong thing. I'd recommend training your ears if you haven't already: ua-cam.com/video/aOxRYmWDaF4/v-deo.html Overall I think you're doing fine! Hope this helps!
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Don't miss your medicine regularly, don't wanna miss your classes 😊
@@JouzuJuls take yourself good care man 👌
I'm so sorry to ask you this.
I love your content and I love your deck , I've watched your videos multiple times and I still strugle with creating a deck like yours.
I might be the worst anki user in your community, but can you please make a step by step guide on how you make cards for your deck
🥺?
I would be so grateful if you could.
Thank you for all your content.
2025 is the year I finally stop being intimidated by anki 💪😤
100%! There's nothing to fear about Anki when you master how to control it 💪💪
Get it man! Woohoo
us lmao😂
Why not now?
why not today?
me watching this as if i havent watched 20 anki guides with 4 month anki streak with no plans to drop
Sounds like you're working hard! 💪
Just be aware that momentum and motivation is fleeting, make sure to recognize and tackle burnout before it hits you unexpectedly! Have that preparation and you'll be unstoppable 😎
Ease is not a problem anymore with FSRS. FSRS is so much better than the older algorithm. Just by enabling FSRS and setting the retention to 0.8-0.85 you will be less overwhelmed with anki by a good margin.
Ease is indeed still a problem with FSRS, in fact Ease Hell is even WORSE in FSRS if you misuse Easy & Hard (Which is how Ease Hell starts in the first place). This is why the 2 button grading scheme is even better for FSRS.
Furthermore, FSRS is not "so much better" than the older algorithm, it's about 10% better if you read the actual papers on it.
You wouldn't be overwhelmed with Anki in the first place even without FSRS if you had simply used the tips in this video to keep Anki in control. Even if you have FSRS and don't do what I said in this video, eventually Anki *will* spiral out of control because life is unpredictable.
@@JouzuJuls Ease hell can't be worse in FSRS cause FSRS doesn't use EASE at all.
@@arthurvc79 They may not call it Ease but it has the same effect. If ease does not exist, hard and easy would have no affect on how often the card shows up.
And furthermore, they would not need to **SPECIFICALLY** have a WARNING for pressing the Hard button when you should be pressing Again for FSRS.
Pressing Again/Good does not create any problems- cannot create problems.
Misuse of Hard used to make problems, and still makes problems.
Furthermore it's simply unnecessary.
I understand that you prefer setting Anki interface language to Japanese, but most of the people who watch this video haven’t reached that level of proficiency yet. Maybe change the language to English and set it back to JP when you finish recording
Considered it but also realized it's not that big of a deal since the buttons don't move around and I'm also saying what buttons to press, I also don't think my viewers are stupid so I'm sure they can figure things out ^^
The thing about changing the new card number is so true, at first I felt bad about reducing it, or not doing any new cards at all, but somedays you are just too busy or too stressed with other things in your life and don't have the mental to force yourself to learn x new words
Also for removing the hard and easy button without migaku, I use an add-on called: Pass/Fail 2: Remove the "Easy" and "Hard" buttons
It removes the buttons from the UI, meaning you can only press them if you press 2 or 4 on your keyboard when grading a card
Absolutely! Just being told and having it affirmed that setting new cards to 0 is completely OK is such a mental relief I feel. More people should be saying this instead of throwing blanket statements like "20 a day is good"!
Thanks for that plugin recommendation!
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You can do not only that, but for super retention there is an option like:
1 card - screenshot + audio sentence (to catch and remember where the word is coming from)
2 card - sentence
3 card - word in kanji (the most popular one)
4 card - just word sound
So when you do 100 cards it will be only 25 words but retention should be much better and after a few weeks you can just archive prevedessi cards or change them to card type with only word kanji.
Nowadays I think it's actually not a bad thing to forget some words, when you see them next time you'll remember them much better anyhow.
Wow, Juls uploaded before we got GTA6. Welcome back and hope you're doing good this holiday season.
Now that I'm out of the hospital and we finally figured out what's wrong, hopefully there'll be no more trips back! The best gift I could ask for this holiday is just good health 😊
One thing that helped me was setting a specific amount of time I want to do Anki. What I do is pick a time (30 minutes for example) then I’ll do my reviews and with the left over time do news. This works as long as you finish reviews and you can do higher times if you want to spend more time on Anki that day.
great video. I planned to learn Japanese in 2025 with Anki. As I already fixed my life this year. Currently the rest of this month am finishing fixing my life. This way I have more time for learning and no excuses 🎉
That new year motivation is powerful, but make sure you use that motivation to create a long term habit instead of a fleeting flame! Make sure you set realistic expectations, pace yourself, and think of the long run, and fluency will follow!
Good luck with learning Japanese and I hope you'll subscribe so I can be part of your journey too!
@JouzuJuls thank you. I just subscribed. Well it is no new year motivation. I planned 3 months ago that I will start learning japanese next year. As I will be doing buissness in the future in Japan. Therefore I need to learn the language, in order to communicate. I also appreciate that u exist. Ur content helps me alot in that journey 😊
Welcome back in action.
Happy to see your videos online again.
Keep healthy.
Thank you very much!
videos are getting better and better, great work!
Thank you very much sir! Striving to get better at Japanese AND at making videos 😁
I use the hard button when I first get introduced to the word. Then the start becomes more gradual which really helps me. Cause a lot of words I won't remember well enough by next day. I typically do Again if I didn't remember it, hard if I already pressed again and still messing up, and good when I get it. So the only time I use hard is when I've already used Again or seeing it for the first time. It works really well for me. Gives me a more gradual start. I also do easy occasionally on super simple words that I know. This process works really well to me, despite people telling me to not use hard or easy.
Just in time for my potential return to anki soon 😅
Glad to see you back man! Honestly your videos have motivated me to give video making another shot (even though I of course do not have your experience & skills quite yet) and it's been a lot of fun, so thanks for all the great videos!
Thank you very much Pat! Glad my videos are not only helpful for Japanese but to motivate you to make videos too 😊
Experience & skills come with practice- keep it up mate! (And feel free to come ask me for feedback on stuff!)
No mention of FSRS? I feel like that's a big point to miss, and gets rid of the 'ease' problem.
FSRS doesn't need to be mentioned because it doesn't have a major effect when you set up Anki the way I have in this video. Further, it doesn't get rid of the ease problem, and it's actually EVEN WORSE on FSRS if you misuse the Easy/Hard buttons (which is the source of Ease Hell in the first place). The 2 button grading format works even better on FSRS.
If you've felt a "major efficiency change" when switching to FSRS, it's probably because you weren't doing some of the tips in this video in the first place.
@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state:
"According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further.
Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm.
However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews."
FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2.
FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you?
What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval.
I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state:
"According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further.
Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm.
However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews."
FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2.
FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you?
What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval.
I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
@@JouzuJuls Happy to be corrected, but what evidence do you have to show ease hell is "even worse"? From the FSRS documentation FAQ on github, they state:
"According to our research, FSRS is a little more accurate for people who mostly use "Again" and "Good" than for people who use all 4 buttons a lot. However, this conclusion may change as we investigate this further.
Also, unlike SM-2, FSRS doesn't suffer from the problem of "Ease Hell". This problem is solved by mean reversion of difficulty. If you press good continuously, the difficulty will converge to D0(3) (actually D0(4) in v5). For more details, read The Algorithm.
However, note that you should not change your rating habits. This is because FSRS uses your past rating history to determine optimal intervals for your future reviews."
FSRS-5 has a 99.0% superiority over SM-2 (old Anki default), meaning that for 99.0% of users, RMSE (or root mean square error, can be interpreted as "the average difference between predicted and measured probability of recall") will be lower with FSRS-5 than with SM-2. RMSE (lower is better) is 5.7% for FSRS vs 15.5% for SM-2.
FSRS, users have to do 20-30% fewer reviews than with Anki's default algorithm to achieve the same retention level. I feel like that's a pretty major effect that just can't be ignored. It's so easy to flip the switch and turn it on, why wouldn't you?
What I find inefficient is suggesting people do "double reviews", 2 cards (reading and listening) for one note. You're doubling the amount of Anki work for 1 piece of information. That eliminates any efficiencies you think you are saving by suspening cards with a >1year interval.
I know you show how to delete those ones, but making it default is essentially saying to people it's the best/preferred method. You might thing you are practicing listening, but you could better spend that time practicing listening to real Japanese content by immersion.
This video was very useful and made me realize things that I was doing wrong in Anki:
- I tried the Core 2K/6K once, but I wasn't suspending the words I already knew. Since I'm in an intermediate level, I know very well the first hundreds of words on the deck. So it became boring and I gave up. But now I re-downloaded the Core deck and now I made sure to suspend all the words I know. Because I know that among the hundreds of words I know, there are other hundreds that I didn't see in my life.
- I was focusing a lot in kanji because sometimes there were words that I was mistaking with each other because I was confused with their kanji (for example 穏やか, 鮮やか or 賑やか). But instead of learn kanji that I already know and try to think about a mnemonic on every kanji (trust me, this is very boring and tiring), from now I will only look for the kanji in extreme situations like the example I told.
Again, thank you for making this video and hope I can do better in my studies from now on
Thank you for sharing your experience! Glad my video was able to highlight these points of improvement for you!
Hey just a heads up, FSRS is probably soon going to replace the old scheduler in Anki. This would mean that worrying about card ease will be a thing of the past soon. Also ever since I started using it my daily review time went from 1h for my vocab deck to 40min. FSRS does a great job in predicting your actual retention. The only thing to keep in mind is not to misuse the hard button 😊
FSRS is already in play for most people using modern version of Anki and doesn't change anything mentioned in this video ^^
This video is about how to take control of Anki as a user rather than letting Anki take control of you. So regardless of what algorithm Anki uses, YOU have to be responsible for how long your reviews are and making sure you don't burn out!
I've started trying to understand the meanings intuitively by listening to a sentence before I grade the card, and it's the same with reading too. As a result, with reading I've encountered an unexpected, yet hilarious, problem: I can understand a sentence faster than I can read it. In other words, I'll know what the sentence means before I remember what any of the words sound like in my head lol.
That's natural and normal- it's how we read in our first language too (assuming you're fully literate in your first language cuz people aren't 🙄🤪)
There's nothing wrong with this and you get to read at a faster pace, so it's actually beneficial. If you did want to work on your pronunciation for example, then you could read the words out loud, record yourself, then compare it to the native recording of it-- but otherwise reading in your head without sub-vocalizing is recommended!
Everyone should make sure that FSRS is enabled in Anki. It’s a much better scheduling algorithm.
Also, quick question. Do you recommend a lower desired retention if the number of reviews are adding up too much compared to how much free time one has in a day? I know there’s a curve of desired retention to time spent, and the 0.80-0.90 range is the best. I personally lowered mine to 0.83 to lose only a few percentage point but lower my review count drastically. If it doesn’t even out to less time spent after a while, then I might lower it again so that I can have more time actually immersing which should in return actually increase my retention.
I lowered mine to 0.8. Most of the time I recall between 79% and 87% of cards, so I'm good.
FSRS is not a big of a deal as people make it out to be- if you actually read the papers, you'll see a *small* time reduction for the same performance.
In the case of all the tips in this video, it sets you up to be as efficient as possible in the first place, so the efficiency you save with FSRS actually isn't that much. Of course, if you have the option to use FSRS, you should!
I personally am still on Anki v2.1.49 which doesn't have FSRS, and I don't update because updating breaks a bunch of plugins, and I'm already working as efficiently as possible and it's not worth breaking my plugins for the small reduction.
Anybody that isn't following my **exact** setup SHOULD already have FSRS enabled by default so I didn't even mention it ^^
@@JouzuJuls Yeah i also got a bunch of plugins broken when updating. The one i used that was updated to latest version through a fork is migaku japanese, so i dont have reasons to stick to 2.1.35 anymore.
6:57 how do you get the number to show how long it is until the next review?
It should be there by default. If it's not there, you either have some addon that's getting rid of it, or you have Beautify Anki and that's causing a bug with the interface. If it's the latter, I have a fix here: ua-cam.com/video/zaCsE8vFpfs/v-deo.html
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1:41 there is another solution which is just to add new cards that have kanji you already know like if you have 火 you can guess what 炎 means and then possibly even 火炎放射器 that's how i do it and it helps especially because you'll learn the On and Kun reading naturally like this
Time stamp seems off, but yep- having good knowledge of radicals is another way to approach Kanji as you'll be able to see how the pieces are built up ^^
@@JouzuJuls right also i forgot to mention if the kanji you know in the Word has nothing to do with the meaning (which i’ve heard is a thing) you can obviously create a mnemonic a.k.a a Story and tie it all together
@@oldsport Mnemonics for Japanese are interesting. They're 100% recommended for just about everything... except language learning, and that's because it seems that they just take too long. As someone using Anki long before I added Japanese flashcards, I'd been using mnemonics for Physics, Chemistry, Maths, etc., but when I tried using them for Japanese, I found they were alright, but all-in-all really time consuming. Ultimately, brute-forcing it now takes less time and is of course more realistic to real language use.
Plus, especially problematic if you're creating mnemonics in English, when really you want to be switching to full-on Japanese ASAP in thinking about using the Japanese language. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for inteference and delay when trying to recall those words later in real life situations. That's probably why a lot of Japanese language learners generally advise that learning radicals isn't such a great use of time unless you're just genuinely interested in the radicals themselves (i.e. some Japanese linguistics).
@@KojoBailey guess i'm more the sponge kind if you know what i mean & i was talking about words*
@@KojoBailey honestly an interesting view, went against a lot of what I've seen online. I've always used Migaku's Kanji god's stories/mnemonics, and had very good results for it. like 90% retention for 10 new kanji a day, even when I forgot the original story I can never forget the kanji, plus no time wasted as the stories are already made and highly memorable.
The mnemonics are just placeholders, i.e. ways to encode it. The method you use is not as important as the results and the speed... Overall I think you might be selling the technique a bit short with regards to language learning, might be worth looking into migaku kanji god and giving it another shot!
On point 2, I just have Anki show me new cards after I have already completed all my reviews. That way it is automatically flexible to how much I want to do.
Exactly what I explained at 4:23 😁
I disagree with the point that RRTK decks are useless. They help to recognise the Kanji. Although a small deck like the RRTK450 is most likely sufficient for that purpose
Please re-listen to the point again- I didn't say RTK is useless, I said they're *not useful* and *innefficient*. Keep in mind that I've done RTK and written out all the Jouyou kanji from it. It took me 1.5 years to get through the entire thing and everytime I did it, I didn't want to do it.
You say "they help recognize the Kanji", and yes, that's true. I found RTK to be effective in allowing me to quickly recognize all Jouyou Kanji.
But have you asked "is this the BEST/most EFFICIENT way to recognize Kanji"?
My peers that have started studying around the same time I have and have put in similar amounts of studying time but *haven't* done RTK are also able to recognize all Jouyou kanji, but they just took slightly longer than me.
Those who do more reading focused immersion have even BEAT me in recognizing all Jouyou Kanji without using RTK.
All things considered, I don't believe the benefits of RTK outweigh the cons. The biggest con of which is that it can literally lead to people giving up on studying Japanese entirely.
What's the extension you use in 4:10 to get the definition for that word? It'd come in really handy
That's Yomichan
Yomitan. I have a set up tutorial here: ua-cam.com/video/qK5Gwl72vkk/v-deo.htmlsi=VRrtVWUE5dgm7ayz
Love the videos keep it up. Do you have any advice on how to read manga, I tried finding an ocr that compatible with migaku or yomi chan like mokuro but there no good tutorials out there to download it. (I also use a mac) But any reading tips would be great. Anyways I love the content and keep it up.
I will cover this in the next video on mining where you'll get tools to OCR manga and pipe them into either Migaku or Yomitan for mining.
Unfortunately I use ShareX for OCR which I don't think is available for Mac, but it can really be any OCR software so I'm sure you can find one yourself!
After you have the OCR software, the next video will guide you through what to do 👍
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to switch to the good/again system with Migaku and see what effect that has on my reviews.
You're very welcome! I'd say that most of the tips in this video have a bigger effect on one's psyche and fatigue more so than actual statistics and numbers, so see how you *feel* about changing things up too!
(That being said, in the case of using easy and hard- that very clearly DOES have an effect on the cards)
Personally i am doing a Remembering the Kanji Heisig deck, a 2k words and my personal sentence mining decks. And it works fine, they even compliment each other.
Well you've convinced me to remove hard and easy buttons. I don't feel like I've ran into this "ease hell" but I'm also not sure I understand the problem entirely, so I'll just trust someone who has interfaced with anki this much instead. Often I used hard because I slightly missed a syllable in the reading yet understood the word and the sentence entirely, but I will try bury instead.
Graduating a card makes so much sense too, thank you for that! I'm at about 1300 words 16k reviews this year and when something like "ichi" comes up I at least get a laugh out of it.
I'm just doing picture + mined sentence audio on the from.
This way I just have to guess the target word every time, this was listening skills are improving super fast as well as grammar, and I don't have to spend to much time on it
That's great if you solely want to work on verbal communication but don't see a need to learn to read!
@ I'm just reading with furigana 😗
Reading with furigana on lingq and when I know the word I'm just offing furigana on that word (and maybe adding to deck if there are new kanji readings)
Learning words in kanji from the starts irritates me because I can not learn 40 words a day, not saying about a good retention for those words. So I just gave up on Anki for the most part.
Glad to see you back, but don't force yourself too much, boss.
Sitting out for 3 months hasn't been easy either man, it's good to be back! 🥳
Great video, however, I strongly disagree on the Kanji deck front. An RTK deck can 1000% turbo boost your immersion because even if you kanji aren’t words, you can’t comprehensively input symbols you don’t understand.
Thanks! So a few point with RTK
1. If you want to claim that RTK can 1000% turbo boost your immersion- you'd need to have data suggestion that: 2 people who started learning at similar times, that put in similar amount of time and effort into studying, except 1 used RTK and the other didn't-- and as a result of that, the RTK person pulled GREATLY ahead of the non-RTK person.
But no such data exists. Matter of fact the data that **does** exist suggests the following:
- RTK provides a minor boost in your ability to learn new vocab (I took 1.5 years to finish RTK & learn all 2000 jouyou kanji, while my peers who started at a similar time took about 2 years)
- Most people who begin RTK never finish it (some even quit learning Japanese entirely because of RTK)
Furthermore, if you encountered an unknown word like 詳細 during immersion, and you are armed with individual kanji study from RTK- you'd see it as "detailed - dainty", and then you'd have to do some jumps to get to the actual meaning of the word. The alternative for someone who didn't do RTK is to press shift on the word to pop up Yomichan and see the word's definition.
Also keep in mind that RTK does not teach the **MEANINGS** of individual kanji, it assigns an arbitrary keyword that may or may not be the meaning. So if you *believed* it was the meaning- there in lies another problem with RTK, the people using it don't even know what they're doing. This allows people to customize the keyword to whatever they want, as this allows RTK to still do what it does.
Finally, RTK is **not the only way** to approach Kanji. The radical approach of using building blocks and shapes to break down Kanji allows learners to go from seeing Kanji as random scribbles, to actual pieces that fit together-- that's also the method that's taught in Chinese and Japanese schools and allow people to instinctively get a kanji without Mnemonics.
Overall, the pros do not outweigh the cons imo.
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Glad to still have excited subscribers after my 3 month hiatus! Enjoy the video! 😁
Welcome back, 会長
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed the video!
whats that chrome extension at 9:55 ?
Migaku. I have a guide on how to set it up here: www.jouzujuls.com/post/the-definitive-guide-on-how-to-watch-raw-anime-with-japanese-subs
Great video!
Thank you very much!
Anki now has a different srs algorithm where you don't worry about easefactor. But I still prefer only using good or false because it's faster to not have to decide.
It's not true that you don't have to worry about ease in FSRS. If ease doesn't exist, then pressing Hard or Easy wouldn't make the card show up more/less-- that is the fundamental function of ease. Furthermore, Ease Hell is actually even worse in FSRS, so much so that Anki literally has to put a warning for you NOT to press Hard when you should be pressing Again.
So yes, the 2 button layout solves that issue entirely- and it also makes it much easier to decide!
@@JouzuJuls Ease doesn't stay permanently lower after pressing hard with the new system.
Are you working on a new video about using updated Migaku for sentence mining perhaps? I feel like the annotation for that tutorial is right, and I fell like Im just about ready to move to that step of my learning but I'm not entirely sure. I used Duolingo very consistently for a whole year and started using Anki about 6 months ago, admittedly having trouble staying consistent. But I about three months left until my friends and I take a trip to Japan and I would like to be able to get some of the fundamentals of conversation down before then. Unfortunately all my time studying vocab with Anki has left me lacking in basic conversational vocab and ability. :(
I am indeed working on a Mining video but it will use more than just Migaku- it will be on every single possible form of media using my entire arsenal of tools, so you can get the best tool for each job!
When it comes to basic conversation- Imma lay it straight but, don't have the expectation of being able to converse when the bulk of your studies consist of Duolingo and Anki. I'd recommend watching this video- a lecture by the linguist Dr. Stephen Krashen and his theory called "The Input Hypothesis", it goes over the theory that I and many other learners use to actually *acquire* languages and have that lead to output ability: ua-cam.com/video/4DFjUR22Wnc/v-deo.html
@ Damn, that’s gonna be a crazy video then. Yes I’ve been watching your videos now for several months and I’ve learned a lot about the process of language acquisition from all you amazing folks making videos on it.
Sadly I haven’t spent nearly as much time inputting as I could have or honestly should have. It’s been intimidating trying to spend so much time immersing and getting over that hump of not understanding, as well as finding content I want to watch. I think I can benefit a lot from starting to mine more common every day vocab so I’m looking forward to that vid drop!
Being honest with yourself and saying "I haven't been immersing as much as I should have" is a very responsible thing to say- but I don't think it's as simple to solve as "just start immersing".
You've accurately identified most of the pain points of people who are starting to immerse- "shit doesn't make sense!" - "idk where to find content!" - "children's content is comprehensible but boring AF!"
Those make up the bulk of the things I hear from students who book me for classes. My next video will go over the *technical aspects* of mining- like how to use the tech. But for things like these, I might need a separate video.
Feel free to book a 1-on-1 class with me if you want to get some direct tips on *where & how* to start getting immersion material as well as tips to being more consistent with immersion ^^
I offer lessons on jouzujuls.com/classes 😊
12:21 i would learn japanese for marine ngl
Anything for senchou
@@JouzuJuls nah i fr joined the discord and downloaded anki
I use the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary deck. Do you think I should change it for one of the decks you recommend? I already have 1000 mature cards, so I dont know what to do
All core decks are basically the same, just keep using the one you're already using.
Even if one of the ones I recommend is more efficient, it really won't make that big of a difference.
ayyy you're back
Indeed I am!
I’ve been using your version of the 2k/6k anki deck and I like it so far. However, it’s only been showing me the listening cards and not the reading cards and I don’t know how to fix it. Is this common problem?
Yea I'm not sure why that happens for some people- it's definitely not unique to you. I'm unsure what the fix is but someone on the Discord server posted it somewhere, see if you can ask for help there! discord.gg/HfyyB4uRHU
should I use the AJT RefoldEase addon even though I have FSRS enabled?
Doesn't hurt to have just in case some weird stuff happens with the ease. The 2 button grading style works even better on FSRS.
@@JouzuJuls oh nice, thx
the exclamation mark key is the same as the 1 key, what do i do?
Exclamation Mark is "Shift+1", while 1 is just 1 ^^
Best way to learn the conjugations of words? Decks and dictrionary lookups always show me the base form even if it was conjugated in the sentence. Good way to learn about them when u encounter them and should i make cards based on that specific conjugation even if i understand the base dictionary form?
welcome back jouzu juls
Thank you very much!
I use ankidroid on android.. does that mean i can't do that ease fixing thing? What's the disadvantage to me?
If you're on the latest version of AnkiDroid, it should be using the FSRS algorithm already. This means the again button shouldn't change your ease.
Sticking to again/good will work fine.
@JouzuJuls ah perfect thanks. Yes i used your video to help me set up anki so i knew about the 2 buttons thing.. i saw in the options something about ease modify 1.3 or something, that's all okay to leave?
@@Denzarki Hmm, I'm not that familiar with the mobile app so it's hard for me to say. I did check my cards on the phone app and I can see the ease factor, but that's because I'm not using FSRS. Most people should already be on FSRS.
Yea I'm not really sure what to do about your situation. That said, I would recommend doing Anki on a computer anyway since that's where it's the most powerful, especially when you get to mining.
Damn you uploaded before😢 me well I will still upload the video
Not a race! Focus on making the best video you can and you'll get better at making videos too! 😎
I've seen your channel, keep up the work on documenting your journey man!
@JouzuJuls thanks I have no words
Bro i wanted to ask
i have been using the kaishi 1.5k deck
I am around 15 percent done with the deck for now
But i realise that a deck like 2k/6k would have more words and hence I would be able to learn more vocabulary
What would you recommend and what should I do after completing the kaishi 1.5k
I started watching this video thinking HELL YEAH I'M GONNA MAKE A CHANGE IN MY LIFE, so I adjusted my max reviews per day and it says I have to review 1918 cards today, this is not for the weak (me)
This means that the entire time you've been using Anki, you've been doing so incorrectly and have thousands of cards that you should have reviewed gone unreviewed.
This is equivalent to just missing a bunch of days.
In order to catch up, simply turn your new cards to 0 and work on breaking down this 1918 bit by bit over a few days until it becomes more manageable.
Remember there's nothing wrong with doing Anki over several sessions throughout the day instead of just 1 big session.
@JouzuJuls thank you🥺 no I know, it's so bad because I barely had time to study japanese because of school:( I've been getting immersion though, but it feels like the bare minimum these days. thank you so much for the tips, I can finally use anki without feeling overwhelmed 👏
Personally I don't mine words. I've found that when reading n3 manga, the rate at which I encounter words seem to reflect their frequency (jpdb). Almost all of the words that I have had to look up, fall under the 10k most common words and most of those fall between 3000-5000. Therefore I personally believe mining to be more inefficient. You either risk learning words that are not common at all, or you select words based on their frequency, which at that point using a scrapped jpdb list would be better. I reckon harder material will have harder words, but I am guessing that at least up until the 10k mark, the words appear frequently enough to be worth learning.
I've seen people argue that learning words you encountered while immersing, makes it easier to learn such words and their use cases. But I disagree, being able to read manga and not have to worry about making new cards has given me the chance to encounter the words I've learned at a quicker intervals, as well as it has given me the chance of focusing on grammar instead of a large chunk of my time spent making anki cards. There are ways to automate the creation of cards with yomitan, but I've found that I prefer to select which definitions of a word to remember. This is just what works for me though.
This sounds like an issue because you're conflating "Mining" with "Immersion" as if they're something to be done together- but there in lies the root of the problem. If you are Mining while Immersing, that is by definition not "immersion" as you cannot be "immersed" if you're stopping to make cards- you'd be acting like a learner.
There is a time for Mining, and there is a time for Immersion.
The second thing is the frequency list. You seem to worry more about some frequency list more so than the words you are literally encountering in your immersion. What is more important- the fact that some word ranks highly on some list, or that fact that you are seeing this word and have an actual use for it?
When it comes to your own personal frequency list, the words that you see all rank higher in frequency than the words that you haven't.
You'd have to ask yourself what the point of doing Anki is in the first place. Because Anki's primary job is to make sure you don't forget the words you've seen, allowing you to increase your vocab and comprehend more stuff, thus allowing you to remember more stuff.
So when you immerse- immerse. After you immerse, you can make some time to Mine! The mining guide will come out soon but there are many automated tools- not to mention section 4 of this video shows how to use Core as your backup library so you *don't* need to create your own cards but instead re-use already created ones.
You'll be able to choose the definition you want, it won't get in the way of your immersion, and all the words have an immediate applicable purpose specific to you. That's the benefit of mining ^^
@@JouzuJuls Ah I just assumed that people did their mining during immersion, splitting the 2 up seems to make a lot more sense.
As for your other point, I use Anki as a tool to build a basic foundation of a word first and then through immersion, improve my understanding of said word. Getting your words from mining or a premade list, doesn't really seem all that different to me in terms of how effective it is at learning words. At the end of the day you're going to see the word again and again.
That being said, the rate at which you encounter words will vary. When I encounter a word that ranks somewhere in the 5000s, I know that the rate in which I will encounter the word again will be lower than a word that is more frequent. Of course that means that I am basing a large part of my learning on a number that might not even be accurate, but I trust jpdb in its ranking and the various media it is based on, matches the content I enjoy immersing in.
I personally think that either way, through my method or mining, you'll eventually end up with similar looking decks, although I personally believe mining to be more inefficient (I totally get why people prefer mining over a soulless list though). If the frequency of these words were to be believed, the order in which your mined deck was made will somewhat resemble the frequency list. However, I think that the order in which you learn these words, would ideally be based on frequency. I do think there's a point where words get uncommon enough that it simply might be more efficient to mine them from content you actually consume, however I can't really say what that point is.
At the end of the day mining is still a great way to learn and language learning doesn't have to be super efficient, I'm personally just someone who likes to care maybe a bit too much about min-maxing the method in how I do something. I'm also just using a lot of speculation, it might not give me the results I think it will. When I get good enough in Japanese to make videos about it, I might at sometime end up posting a video about how I personally learned Japanese in which I can reflect on the methods I've chosen.
Splitting up the 2 processes makes a huge difference! Some people are stuck in purgatory and can never stop themself from mining, and they've never truly felt "immersed" before because of that 😢
There will absolutely be a difference in the quality of cards you get from mining & from precreated cards (unless you're getting precreated cards from an anime that you're watching for example)
The issue I'd have with that is that there are better alternatives. Why take every single word from an anime- including ones you may already know, if there are options to automatically mine every **UNKNOWN** and **N+1** word from an anime, customized to fit your needs? Such option does exist as I'll show in the next video ^^
When it comes to rate of encounter, think about it like this instead. If you're reading a full light novel, how many words do you think would be unknown to you at your level? For reference, I literally scanned a whole book and found that at my level:
Out of the 48,864 words in the whole book, there were only 4,816 **UNIQUE** words.
And out of those, I had 2,574 unknown words out of the 1,291 unknown **UNIQUE** words.
And I'm willing to bet I'm probably at a higher level than you at the moment, so I'd expect you to have even more unknown words than me. Note how there are literally 10x the amount of words in a book compared to the unique words?
This means that if you learn a word that may not be high on a frequency list- the frequency in your particular book *could actually be quite high*. The fact that the frequency in YOUR IMMERSION MATERIAL is higher, should overwrite what some list says-- IMO ^^
Eventually all decks will look somewhat similar- but that's not the point, it's the order in which you learn the words that specifically enhance each individuals ability to comprehend **their specific immersion material**.
In terms of min maxing- I believe creating 100 cards from an episode of anime you're watching using 1 click & having all those words be immediately applicable and targetted for you is much more efficient than doing 100 random cards that have no relation to you & that may or may not appear simply based on some list ^^
I like the first title better. This one feels too generic and clickbaity
I didn't change the title at all- what did it say before...?
@@JouzuJuls Oh wait I didn't even read the title. I meant the thumbnail. I really like the one with the "How to Actually STAY Consistent" better than the random face.
That's what I meant
@@doce3609 Ohhh ok ok-- that's actually really good feedback. UA-cam actually now gives you the feature to upload multiple thumbnails and collect data on which is performing better- and it auto swaps and samples from different people, which is what you're seeing 😋
Thanks for the feedback!
Why hello there, Senchou
Fancy seeing you here xD
Fellow ichimi spotted
I stacked so many cards I don't know so I just set my new cards to zero for like a week or two
I should probably also make a video on how to recover from missing a few days. But yes setting new cards to 0 for several weeks is perfectly fine! For the past few months I've been having health issues and personal problems, so for about 3 months I just had 0 new cards too-- nothing to be ashamed of, life happens!
Ease factor? You aren't using FSRS?
Nope, I'm not using FSRS. Even if I was, it doesn't matter, the logic stays the same.
@JouzuJuls It can't be the same; fsrs doesn't have ease. It's also been shown that 4 buttons is a little better than 2 and that short term reviews have an effect on long term (and short term) memory as of some relatively recent research at time of posting.
So I would think it would be different. But since you're not using it, it makes sense that you wouldn't be tracking the information.
Thanks for clarifying!
@@littlered6340 If FSRS doesn't have ease, then what do you expect it to do when you hit the hard and easy buttons?
Hard and easy makes the cards show up more/less frequently- that's ease.
FSRS specifically carries the warning for NOT pressing Hard when you should be pressing Again. If you just ignore Hard entirely, not only does it make deciding what to press easier, but it avoids bad Hard presses.
2. I know the resource you're citing. 4 buttons have been shown to have better results on **a super small sample size** that has been **specifically instructed on what to do and when to do it.** It does not reflect real users who have not read the manual and are not 100% sure when to press what button.
In the real world, people just press the button all willy nilly and end up messing up the cards and needing to do hella more reviews than they really need to.
Nobody reports this problem when you use 2 buttons.
@@JouzuJuls Ease is a specific variable that FSRS doesn't use. Extrapolating out the final function and saying FSRS uses it is like saying FSRS is the same as Super Memo.
The research had to be changed and explained properly because when scientists find out research was done incorrectly and came to the wrong conclusion, they often prefer to change their methods to come to the correct conclusion. Regardless of sample size.
But I dunno man, you do you, but this convo feels weird. All I asked is if you don't use FSRS and concluded that your video makes sense *if you don't.*
It's just not for people who do (who have already been told what Again and Hard means) and that's fine.
Have a good day I guess.
@@littlered6340 Exactly, your conclusion is incorrect. I don't quite care what you call Ease, let's get rid of that word and call it "the thing that makes cards appear more frequently when you press hard". As long as this exists, pressing Hard incorrectly will lead to cards showing up more than they need to.
The 2 button method has already shown to work *even better in FSRS* than before FSRS because of the negligible improvement you get from correctly using 4 buttons compared to the potential time save of using 2 buttons.
Most people are not using Hard properly because they haven't read the manual and won't read the manual. Or even after they read the manual they STILL won't understand what to do.
The small sample size *does* have an impact because when we take a bigger sample size, we see that most people that do 4 button are really at a *disadvantage* instead.
Your conclusion shouldn't be that 2 button is better for non-FSRS. It should be that "*certain* 4 button users on FSRS who have been specifically instructed on what to do perform *slightly better* than random users who use 2 button on FSRS- who already get their desired result without any problems. While a majority 4 button users that haven't been specifically instructed on what to do perform worse than random 2 button users and have complaints about cards appearing too many times."
As I said, FSRS or not doesn't matter.
curie taught you well
She was the best teacher I could've asked for, still go back to her lessons for reviews and I'd never be at my level without her 😇
I’m doing the kaishi 1.5k with 14 new words a day is that good
if your spending more than 30 minutes on anki lower it imo
As I stated in the video, it's entirely up to you whether it's good or not. Some people say "don't spend more than 30 mins" other says "don't spend more than an hour"
None of these people take into consideration:
1. How available are you for studying- can you afford several hours a day to study *consistently* over several days?
2. How motivated are you? Do you even WANT to spend several hours a day studying?
If so, there's nothing wrong with spending many hours doing Anki, esp in the beginning phase where you can't comprehend that much in immersion.
So I'd throw the question back to you- are you comfortable with 14 new a day? Do you feel you should do more or less? Entirely up to you 😎
@@JouzuJuls I feel like I forget the words off the top of my head is that normal? also when I press good and it says 5 days i get it in the span of 10 minutes is that a glitch?
Not sure what you mean by "forgetting words off the top of your head"-- care to elaborate a bit?
When you press good and it says 5 days, it should show it to you again in 5 days. I've never heard of it NOT doing that.
It could be that you're using a deck with Double Reviews, and one version of the card has an interval of 5 days, while the other version has an interval of 10 mins.
@@JouzuJuls I mean like for example I do the flashcards and then I try to quiz myself and I cant recall any of the words I learned
I'm pretty sure its only 1 card per word and I checked and there is no doubles so im not sure why the intervals are glitched
Could you make a guide on how to do immersion more efficiently as a beginner and recommend resources
Already have two actually!
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There's one thing that is false in this video. "All the words in all the core decks are all the same." That's not true at all. Frequency lists are highly dependent on the corpora used to base the list on. The order can vary WILDELY, not so much on the words present or not, true, but on the order. But, as the order can vary not only in dozens but even hundreds or even THOUSANDS, depending on how much words you have in your core deck there WILL be words present in one and not in the other, and quite a few. Frequency lists are NOT precise as people think. A word that, is, let's say in the position 15 in one list may be in the poosition 524 o in toher, or even higher.
Fortunately I did not say "All the words in all core decks are all the same"
I said they "basically do"
Core vocab (and I mean vocab core to the language, not "core" as in "in someone's core deck"-- you could say FUNDAMENTAL vocab) will not vary much, this is the case for all languages.
In all languages, you can pick up any book on any topic and the most common words in the any media will always be generally the same selection.
In English it will be "a", "the", "of", "and", "to" etc
In Japanese it'd be like だ、する、ない、いる、ある etc
You may say "Well this falls off very quickly"
But first of all it really doesn't. It can go on for quite a while in every language, enough to give you... CORE vocab.
And as stated in the video, the point of the Core Deck is to do exactly that- give you enough vocab so you can identify what you DON'T know so you can start mining stuff that's actually useful for your specific case.
If you take a Core 6K deck for example, and say "well the 5000th word is gonna be different in every Core deck"
Then yea sure of course it is, but just because it's in a core deck doesn't mean it's "core" vocabulary. I'd even ask why you're worrying about what's in the Core Deck if you get down to 5K 🤔
@@JouzuJuls The core vocab WILL vary a lot depending on the corpus used. A corpus based on NETFLIX shows or light novels or Asashi Shinbun will vary a lot. As I've said, it varies mostly regarding the RANKING of the words. But as any core deck is very limited, 2k only, 6k, there WILL be a lot of words including in one that will not be include in the other. Because words that are at the range of the 6k most common words in one will be at the 8k, 10k range in another list. You can even compare that yourself. So, I do not suggest using more than one, but I DID use more than one and not necessarily I regret doing so. I'd suspend the ones that I remembered already seeing in the other deck and letting the different ones. I'm insisting on that because it's important that people know that a "core deck" is NOT such a precise thing as it seems to be sold to people. It depends on the corpus. The RANKING of the words can vary by the hundreds. If you are using, let's say, a 30k, 60k deck that wouldn't be something to think about really. But a deck as short as 4 k, 5 k, will vary wildly. What is the 4,912th most common word in one list is the 7,032th most common in another and, therefore, will be out of a deck limited to 6k words.
No, don’t do that lol. You’ll get burned out on Anki if you go down that path. Anyone who’s been using Anki for years knows that’s the worst thing you can do, it’s like going completely against the grain
I agree that anki hell is a problem especially when you don't do much immersion next to it. But it's really not an inherent problem to Anki which should work more as an assistant (see Cure Dolly videos about Anki). I'm not the biggest fan of core decks, I generally prefer to add cards from immersion instead. So when I feel like I have time I add a few cards of core 2k in. Not many. Most of anki issues can be fixed by simply lowering the number of cards. I still find it usefull to review words I see in immersion or i'll probably forget them quite fast otherwise. Though it does help that I generally have some time in transports or waiting in line to do my anki easily everyday now.
Not sure what you mean by "that". I've been using Anki for years and can vouch for everything I say in this video.
Would you like to compete with me to see who has better results?
Ease Hell is born from a misuse of Hard, which itself is unnecessary- so by eliminating the button entirely, we eliminate the possibility of Ease Hell, and we also alleviate decision fatigue since a black/white choice is much simpler.
Mining cards from immersion is the next step after core. We're taking advantage of Stephen Krashen's i+1 theory when mining, whereby you must have an "i" (comprehensible) part in order to +1 to.
Core offers a fast way to get "i" so that you can start doing +1's as fast as possible.
You cannot i+1 if nothing is comprehensible, which would be the case in the very beginning.
Yes, most of the issues relating to being consistent can be solved by simply doing less and allowing your mind and body to rest ^^
Number one: consistency
Me: got some spare time and i don’t wanna miss out a day on solo games (i’m not active at night)
Just don't complain about not getting the results you want!
I won’t complain though, it’s probably more like a regret, but i’ll change my ways soon
GramAR
First
Your pronunciation of the word "grammar" may sound how it's spelled, but it's not how its pronounced by any native speakers, you should do your best to speak native level English as well as Japanese.
Actually I am a native English speaker, so there is at least one person that says it like this. You should do your best to be more open with other accents of English that aren't just American and British 🙂
I use JLAB deck, which I understand why it is not in your recommended deck but I can deal with the grammar part and
we have our beloved late Dolly sensei's guide so for me its okay to use this one,
but I just curious that what now I am doing is on the right track
or does it need some advice or any optimisation guide
and this vid is pop up thanks a lot for the advice and encouraging!
I dont sure about my method but I wanna share with you guys :)
I took a hardest (maybe a lot of effort and S-M behaviour) path when doing the deck by having 3 criteria;
1.listening 2.understand the meaning and grammar 3.I can write it correctly by my hand not typing.
For the listening is quite obvious, play the sound until you get it and shadowing what does it saying,
it may take a time like 気づくないのか which those natives articulate very fast and can be a tongue twister in the first try.
Next is looking to its meaning with grammar breakdown, and to add more challenging by translate those card from Japanese into English and my mother tongue before see its translation of the card - that is 1 Japanese input and 2 translated output.
On the top of that difficulty I learn how to write those words-vocab, phrases and sentences with kanji form.
Although typing is kinda easier to do than writting but I admit that writting kanji is one of my stress relieve e hehe
So in a day it quite took several hours to deal the deck, but the out come is quite impressive such that I have a better experience while watching anime, vtuber with less sub :)
Thanks for the comment! Let's see if I can help out a bit...
1. I'd first ask why you're practicing writing by hand? Do you plan to move to Japan and work in an office where you'd need to be writing in Japanese every day...? I'm not even sure what office job would require that. Or are you doing it out of pure interest for writing & calligraphy?
Because if it's not for any of the above reasons, there's no practical purpose of learning how to write by hand in 2024-- realistically you will be communicating via typing for the most part, so it actually makes more sense to learn how to TYPE instead.
Oh I read the bottom of your comment and see that it is a stress relief for you- and I get that too. Nothing wrong with this, but just keep in mind that writing *does* double the time you need on each card.
2. For your shadowing when listening, have you trained your ears to listen to pitch? Because if you haven't, there's a good chance that your ears are lying to you and you're actually hearing the wrong thing- thus shadowing the wrong thing. I'd recommend training your ears if you haven't already: ua-cam.com/video/aOxRYmWDaF4/v-deo.html
Overall I think you're doing fine! Hope this helps!