My favorite part of all of this is if you scroll back to the update that came out after this video, the single developer actually listened and fixed a ton of the issues pointed out. They also removed the cash shop, so cheers to them for actually trying to make it better. Also, they added 4 more to the length of the characters name (now 20) so you can now properly be thunderhammer!
@@zoltanbojan8035 But it’s not a crypto miner. How would they earn anything off of a game that nobody plays? Also, if you had any idea how to check to see if it’s using resources and net connectivity to mine bitcoin, you’d already know it’s not a cryptominer. Go try to be cool by saying shit you don’t understand about something else.
there were a few that he reviewed where the shop didn't work like digimon world. the game was a fail from first loggin in and seeing spelling mistakes everywhere
i can think of only one reason for a game to use that much memory... if the ENTIRE WORLD is ONE SINGLE AREA. if it uses ONE SINGLE FILE for THE ENTIRE WORLD.
@@Kairos_Akuma High ram alone shouldn't mean that I've used a few different miners and none reach anywhere near that much ram usage, its mainly GPU usage
I recognise literally every item sprite they use as generic Unity stuff lol. I got given them in my first game dev class. Same with the scroll speed issue; that's Unity's default scroll speed. Fixing it is super easy too, so they just didn't care.
I recognize those sprites from Thea 2 and one or another from SphaxPureBDcraft texture pack from minecraft, so it seems they stole assets from other games and the Unity generic marketplace, very nice indeed
yup, and there's definitely no "crypto mining," it's just using too much CPU and RAM because he didn't bake lighting and instead placed tons of real lights in one massive scene... He has no idea how to optimize the game.
I'm planning to make an MMO as my first game. It's going to be a Crypto Currency mining text based MUD with limited open world player housing, full open world pvp, and procedurally generated dungeons. Edit: And a cash shop. For Lootboxes.
@@pablocardona9804 his Wizard 101 video got in my recommended, and I use to always see ads for that game as a child and wanted to see what exactly it was like. I ended up loving his content so I’ve just been binging it since.
I don't play MMO games anymore, mostly because I don't think my current comp can handle it, but I used to play a few. I'm glad they weren't anything like most of the games in the Worst MMO Ever series.
@@magnatcleo2043 that’s good! XD I’m not a huge fan of the MMO genre, I’d say the only “MMO” I really play is Destiny, but I have a love-hate relationship with it. I usually like more involved combat or movement mechanics in a game, or a really interesting plot to go through and be done with, but I really like to see the concepts and art design of MMO’s since so many are still really interesting to me. I also love really terrible games, hence why I’m here.
I love how at 24:52 there is a photorealistic high resolution spider with a gorgeous character model and 10 cm behind it is a bag where I can literally count the vertexes.
That's how it goes asset flips, random models and graphics slapped together with no thought for artistic cohesion. I can only suspect that it's going to get worse in the future.
Grim Dawn actually did the "Manage reputation with enemy factions" thing pretty well. In that game, friendly factions have Respect, which goes up when you do things for them, and higher respect gets you discounts from vendors, new quests, etc. Enemy factions have Infamy, which goes up when you kill them, and higher Infamy causes stronger enemies to spawn, which makes it easier to get better loot.
Hello Josh! On the ability order...Looks like the creator (almost!) used the stat order from the original version of Dungeons and Dragons and the 1st edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (~1980). At that time the order was Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Dexterity, Constitution, Charisma. Not sure why they swapped Constitution and Dexterity in this game. The more common order of Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma began in AD&D version 2.
The original original version does it Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Constitution, Dexterity, Charisma. This is because the three available human classes are Fighting-Man, Magic-User, and Cleric, which have prime requisites matching the first three attributes. Constitution is something that affects everyone's hit points, so it comes next, and Dexterity and Charisma are more situationally useful elements so they come later. When the Thief class is added later on, its prime requisite is Dexterity, so that moves up to the "prime requisite" section of the attributes, resulting in the order you've noted.
That's what the name should have been. But when it wasn't, it was a harsh reminder that this channel, like many that the recommendation algorithms promote, is yet another UA-cam channel that's a commercial venture.
This just looks like an asset flip to me, would explain the inconsistency in art style, why the "procedurally generated" dungeon is the way it is and why there's no optimisation to speak of. I doubt this was the result of someone's passion.
28:25 "What the hell is up with the light rays coming from the windows at random angles?!" This is something you see fairly often when someone who is new to 3D modeling tries to model game assets, or when you're using a questionable compiler to convert models from the modeling software to the ingame format. To explain it simply, a 3D model is made up of points in 3D space called "vertices". When you connect two vertices together you form an "edge" which is basically just a line between vertices. If you connect 3 or more edges together in a loop you get a "face", which makes up the "skin" of the model that you're creating. Your model is made up of many many of those faces or "polygons". Those lines or "light rays" as you call it happen when you connect too many edges and faces to the same vertice. That's bad. You never want one vertice to have more than 4 edges connected to it. Basically the lighting portion of the 3D software gets confused and doesn't really know what to do, so it produces these lines in the model that mess up it's appearance. It's considered a form of artifact or glitch/bug in the model. If you look closely you can see that each of the "light rays" converge on a nearby point. What you're seeing is the edges creating distortions in the model, and the point of convergence is the single vertice that they're connected to. It's a common mistake with new modelers and it's completely fixable or preventable, and really any serious or even halfway decent hobby modeler learns how to make models without these glitches eventually. They kind of have to or they don't have a job. But since this game is made by a completely new and very inexperienced developer it's not all that surprising to see it.
I played that game a lot, around 2008-2009, it was my first MMO, I think It had around 1000 people on the server around that time, I saw how things changed, nowadays it's horrible, less than 100 people, nobody talks to you all They ignore you, it seems that you entered a party and nobody wants to talk to you, horrendous.
As a kid I played a ton of the original Sherwood which was basically just FFA pvp lobby with swords, and after that the Dungeon version. I didn't like Dungeon too much since RuneScape existed.
i tried ArcheAge for a while, but the forced-PVP aspect in higher-level areas put me off. i HATE that. it's MADE for "griefing". ArcheAge also has a silly crafting system that uses ENERGY. one-point-per minute energy. ONLY GAINED WHEN ONLINE UNLESS YOU PAY THE MONTHLY FEE FOR PREMIUM. AND it takes energy to open "money pouch" items dropped by enemies! i had a HUNDRED i could not open for lack of energy!
I don't understand how ArcheAge is even remotely comparable to any of these meme-tier pieces of garbage. The game has problems (mostly to do with its insistence on combining a highly linearized gearing and leveling system with open world PvP, but the energy system isn't too great either) but it tries to do a lot of small things right, honestly. Things like the ability to actually sit in chairs or light/snuff lights, the soundtrack, the music system, several of the environments, the approach to the player's place in the world's lore, player territory sieges that actually matter, the skill systems... Overall I'd say it's an almost incredible game made mediocre by a few critical decisions being made deadly wrong, not a game competing for being the worst on the market.
@@Ithirahad It's less the quality of the game's framework and moreso the abysmal way in which the publishers have handled it. Fucking up one of the most promising MMOs in years twice in a row isn't something you live down.
Archeage could have been a wonderful game with a few smarter decisions around PvP and Land Owning. And Pay to Win. I should know, I was there during the beta/launch madness. Quit a few months later for good though.
If i binge watch all of Josh Strife MMO reviews im hoping i can transcend the regular human body i reside in and become an eloquent lord of the words like him.
@@oxymoron02 30-40% cpu usage is pretty common with unoptimised things? And ram doesn't get used for cryptominers like that so it'll just be memory leaks, which becomes more and more common the less optimised/more badly made something is. He doesn't mention what his GPU usage is so I can't comment on that section, but everything shown just shows it's a badly made game.
To me it looks more like there is no graphics rendering and it's all done by software (hence the CPU), which is why his CPU and memory increases when he turns the graphics up.
@@biigsmokee That'd make sense. Though I wouldn't say it spikes high enough for that but could also just be the program being shitty. Either way, it's not a cryptominer.
In regards to the character stats and their order. In Advanced D&D (1st ed) that was actually how they were ordered as each stat had a chart that took up half a page. The grouping of the physical/mental stats was actually a change in later editions of D&D.
A game i recommend you checking out is Sherwood Dungeon. An old browser mmo that I played as a kid. I'd love to see an analysis on it from a professional
Wouldnt a crypto-miner run on the gpu and not the cpu? Also I remember having a bunch of artists on a team on a game project during my 2nd semester at uni and tbh the levels they built ran like shit too. Maybe that game just has devs that have absolutely no clue about the creation of any kind of software, just slapped a bunch of assets together and called it a day. Things like the character creation screen are exactly what you get when this is done. The sliders in the character-creation screen are just the default Unity-Sliders without any changes made to them, the buttons are default Unity-UI-Buttons with a free font from the asset-store, same goes for the textfields and selection boxes. The "cute" sprites are all taken from another free rpg-asset-pack from the assetstore. The "quest description" in the top-right corner right next to the mini-map is also just written in the default Unity-Font, not even TextMeshPro. Since all these assets are just taken from other places and the compass is stolen from Skyrim, I would be willing to bet that there is not a single line programmed by anyone in that team in the entire game, just like there isnt any texture or model that has been created by those guys either. At this point it is an insult to anyone who ever created any kind of game to call this piece of trash a "game".
GPU would be a better use of resources for mining yes. However to take over that kind of process well.....its just easier and requires much less skill to take up CPU resources and honestly if they had that kind of programming skill at their disposal it would have been a much better game on many levels. Crypto mining or not, if no one plays it they arent earning. But the graphics scaling ramping up CPU usage like that.....if its NOT crypto mining I cannot think of a way a game could use 15 gigs of RAM without having a download size of at least 50 gigs for reasources to pull from. I hear its made by one guy so i am sure it has memory leaks but if it was just down to leaks it would have crashed more. That its stable if choppy means the CPU is doing SOMETHING. I also believe the speed at which text moves and the speed of the scrolling is deliberately slow as to take up more player time to get more mining done. And frankly i think the illegal mining operation in the crystal cave is a not so subtle developer joke. I know far to many game designers who would do JUST that kind of thing.
@@franciscopereira5760 No, it isnt. Go run some diagnostics and check out the use of your GPU vs the CPU. It's a very poorly optimized game that seems to load the entire world and keep it loaded at all times. Not to mention that you can check your netstat and see what's going on. The illegal mining operation comes from his original game, where there's a dwarven mining team underneath the newbie area in Keltrath that isn''t supposed to be there. It has existed in that game for over a decade now, so I doubt it's a very thoroughly planned out nod to his eventual plans to cryptomine in a game that wasn't in its development stages yet.
I need a firewall that will stop non-MMO clips of Asmon from filling half of my youtube sidebar, no matter what I'm watching. No, youtube, I do not want to listen to him rant for 20+ minutes about other peoples' rants about some petty drama.
@@JoshStrifeHayes hes more intelligent than what most people make him off, and I like how sometimes he goes with the flow of it .. once you catch this on him, its impossible to not see it again, and he's good on what he does.
8:17 hold up, that Cure Light Wounds icon is the same icon used in RPG Duels Text Adventure for several healing abilities - for example, Cathy the Kitty's 9 Lives in the critter duels mode
the perspective of judging games harder for having microtransactions is very fair. I just wanted to say I appreciate the respect you clearly give to independant game designers doing their best even when it doesnt turn out great, only judging them more harshly if they deserve it by trying to extort money from whatever playerbase they manage.
Josh, do Tibia next, hear me on this one: I know you often mention it as classic game, a pioneer in certain aspects, but in my opinion the game is a shell of what it used to be. While it has grown into a fan-favorite of a very niche community, it is, without a doubt, a microtransaction hellhole. This, in turn, has attracted masses of ill-intentioned players, many of which operate in what I would describe as cartels, with a lot of real life money involved. It is my childhood mmorpg, and it wrecks my heart to see it as it is now. It had potential to grow into something special, but it's been ruined and it's only getting worse. I'd love to hear your analysis on the game
I figured Old School Runescape was also like this, recalling the numerous PvP & Luring clans in the wilderness alongside the countless malicious groups behind the 'Sand Casino' that was once formerly known as the Duel Arena a long time ago, not to mention the rampant scamming and hacking going on behind the scenes.
nah tibia was always trash, losing 10%( or 20% i dont remenber, but either way was awefull) of your total exp points and skill point AND 1 random item is just freaking BRUTAL. i died 4 times in a roll while lv up skills, it setted me back 3 month of progress and i never come back to it. and i'm still in rage about it 17 years later.
Do you have an image backup of your computer so you can completely reset the state of the machine each time you try these? (or have a separate physical hard drive for testing the garbage)
@@zimbu_ lol I'd love to see this particular underoptimized game from the video run on a VM (even if you use PCI-E passthrough it will probably still be atrocious)
@@MapleLeafAce True, for that you'd need to have your boot drive encrypted and Secure Boot turned on to prevent them modifying your drive without you knowing. (to protect against straight up erasing of course you'll need to physically unplug it)
Did anybody else notice the portrait is literally base skin with a green overlay that doesn't cover the full forehead? 😂😂 i swear i got stuck staring at it for like 5 minutes trying to see if i was just tired or something and was too lazy to click to fullscreen. Thank you Josh, because i would have lost my mind
4:08 STR, INT, WIS, CON, DEX, CHA was the order of the ability scores in original D&D. 3rd edition changed the order in order to group the physical and mental stats together. Strength was the primary ability of the Fighting-Man (later Fighter), Intelligence was for Magic-Users (later Wizards), and Wisdom was for Clerics; the three original class of the game. Constitution, Dexterity and Charisma was useful for all classes, but not strictly necessary--sort of like bonus abilities.
Look- slowly burning in the sun with a few randoms would be a better past-time than this Oh and and then you develop skin cancer. THAT would be a better game than this
We have DreamScape Dimensions coming up on our list of games to check out. I'll see what the game files are doing re: the CPU, GPU & RAM. Like you said, it seems way too high to just be an issue of it being poorly optimized.
@@user-gf5lq2pe3q If I end up hacked, it'll give me something to do that's probably more entertaining than the game. Perhaps this isn't an MMO but a program for learning how to troubleshoot PC issues?
I once wrote a 3D browser animation that almost set my laptop on fire simply by not being frame-capped*. Trust me, you can ALWAYS write things poorly enough to use all resources. Load entire map/all assets in at once is all that's required, more often than not. *That was in second year of university, graphics course, quite a few years ago.
DreamScapes uses the uMMORPG version 1 addon for Unity. It's a highly customized version of it though. The reason you can't jump or fall off ledges is because movement is based on Unity's NavMesh agent which must be kept on the NavMesh. The uMMORPG Component edition uses true Physics based Movement so you can jump, swim, fall of ledges, all the things you would expect. Also yes the reason for the high memory consumption is because everything is loaded at the start of the game. There is no terrain paging or anything.
28:30 That's phong shading. It creates a gradiend to smooth out the lighting around hard edges and we've been using it for at least 20 years. The problem is the game is trying to smooth ALL edges and you're seeing the triangles where this goes wrong. It's just how phong works and totally normal. The fix would be simple: limit the phong angle, so you actually get some hard edges. You learn that in the first few hours of 3D modelling and it's nothing more than entering a numeric value.
if you check the game theyve actually improved on some things mentioned in the video, you can now walk without using endurance, the bad scroll speed in the menu and rubberbanding
Extremely high memory consumption? Needing security software disabled? Early 2000-era graphics in 2021? No thanks! Josh mate, I commend your bravery for trying out crap so us viewers don't have to. :)
The slider in the character creation screen is a default unity asset that comes pre installed with the engine itself. The background of panels is just stretched buttons. And the buttons feel super close to the default Unity stuff, but feel a little bit different.
As an MMO player seeing this game hurt me in a deeper level than I thought it would. Keep it up! You should definitely cover Metin2. I used to play it a lot back in 2010 and it was actually really popular for some time.
It was popular because of the combat system, I bet. Anything with good combat gets a good playerbase because it's better than the shitscape that is WoW.
I played it once because a friend wouldn't shut up about it. It was shittier than all the games I played at the time. Empty world, ugly graphics, basically no plot. I seriously don't understand what she liked about it so much, it was no Gothic, it played about as well as a toaster
4:15 I believe the reason why the attributes are grouped the way they are is because they used to be group that way in older D&D editions. As to why they were grouped like that in that game, it was because Strength Intelligence and Wisdom were sort of primary attributes for the playable classes, that is to say Fighter, Magic-User and Cleric respectively. The other 3 were secondary in importance and all 3 classes benefited from them in some small way. I am not sure if that is reasonable for this game in particular though
The "First Game = MMORPG" discussion honestly hurts me. Even as someone who wants to make an MMORPG of a fantasy setting of mine in the future, that's just it, IN THE FUTURE. I gotta start off small with some singleplayer RPGs, RTSs, and whatnot to introduce everyone to the world whilst giving me some practical coding experience (that isn't fiddling around randomly in an engine trying stuff out for the fun of it.)
It's not a team. It's one guy. He used a Unity asset for MMO-building. Others have succeeded doing the same thing, but this guy focused entirely on building the landscape, zero on optimization, and didn't finish the UI, didn't work on the gameplay, and got no feedback before release.
Hey Josh, would you ever make a “how to kill an MMO” video? I’ve been looking for something about this and can’t find any videos about it. Any of the ones I find talk about MMOs as a genre, but not specifically how to kill an MMO. Why does it seem that the vast majority of MMOs slowly die while some others succeed? What are some game-killing decisions you’ve seen happen? Did you see it coming? Something on this subject would make a good video I think.
I will put my 2 cents about the attributes section being messed up. English is my second language and when I started paying games, I collected some simple vocabulary in that area. Now how I see it strengh, inteligence and wisdom are quite basic English words. However constitution, dexterity and charisma are advanced words and when I saw those for the first time (for me it was dark soul 3) I had to translate all three of them. Maybe they are group up in this way, so when you read it you would have a mental image of the groups for non-native meglish speakers. I really do not think some studio would be THIS selective about it, but it's just a theory.
It's related to another game, dungeons and dreagons. In some version of it it was like that. Yout theory is good tho, english is my second language aswell and those are complicated words
Im pretty active in a lot of game dev circles. Im an aspiring one myself and I live with a professional game dev, and we have lots of friends within those circles. and one thing I see happen a LOT is that there are so many newbie wannabe game devs who only have about a year or less worth of game coding experience who just want to make their own MMOs. for some baffling reason a lot of inexperienced programmers and designers just immediately want to start their first project with an MMO. and often times they come around asking extremely basic questions, and we keep giving them the same answer every time. "if you need to ask basic questions like this and have never completed a game before, then you really shouldn't be attempting to make an MMO". and of course thats not what they wanna hear, so they keep pushing forward until they hit a wall and give up, or release unfinished broken garbage like Dreamscapes Dimensions. for anyone reading this who is interested in making their own MMO, Im really sorry to break this to you, but your over ambitious WoW killer MMO isnt ever going to be good if your entire team consists of just five people or less. the best you can hope for is to make something small and simple like Minecraft or Adventure Quest or Runescape, but anything more advanced than those and you'll be biting off way more than you can chew. get some basic games under your belt first before you attempt anything bigger so you can get a good feel of how things are done. it'll help you get a good idea of scope, and know what your limits are.
I burst out laughing when you opened the keybinds menu and it was just the WASD keys. Such a perfect visual representation of the amount of effort put into this game.
Thank you Josh for saving our PCs from being killed by this game using it for mining. This game hasn't been tested at all it looks like. Alpha and most likely abandoned by the Devs
considering they make even good computers unazble to play the game that is cryptomining you... i dont see it working for any realistic amount of time..
There's a f2p mmorpg that requires spending crypto for everything and you earn it for everything once logged into the game. I was 0.32 crypto currency short in that specific game to even make it out of character creation. :( I believe the game was called Litebringer, but I could be wrong. I've yet to see an MMORPG utilizing crypto mining that wasn't a terrible game.
I freaking lost it at the piccolo chunky skully-tons moment. I’m so happy yt offered me this series to randomly binge out of order. Great series, & unlike most of these games, not actively hostile or opaque to new people. Yay thx.
Props to this masterpiece of a review I genuinely couldn't go 10 seconds without laughing my head off and the scene with the peacekeeper at the end was hilarious keep up the amazing work!
The compass at the top is practically identical to the compass in Skyrim! Seriously one of those "You can copy my homework but change it a little so we don't get in trouble" situations
I gave this game 10 more hours. I often play the overly ambitious individual-created MMOs and this game is definitely in the bottom half of those games in fun factor, stability, optimization, and world building / design. I'm going to check out the MUD later on. It has to be better.
Regarding the heavy resource use, my first thought is just that it's extremely poorly optimized because it screams Yandere Simulator levels of performance and if this is a team's first "production ready" game and they are using something like Unity without understanding how it works under the hood (not disparaging them or anything because I know nothing as well). If it were a miner, a smarter implementation would be to promote leaving the game on (or install something that runs even when the game is closed) and then run in the background once you leave the keyboard alone for a certain amount of time
Based on the CPU demand I think it might be that the game is using software rendering like old 90s games before GPUs took off. Only way I could explain it needing so much CPU power as even mining on my CPU doesn't use that much RAM.
Amusingly, their orientation of the dnd stats is actually accurate to how they used to be ordered. They were done so like that because Strength, Intelligence, and Wisdom were the main stats of three of the classes so they were the most important. Then constitution was important to everyone but not a core stat, dex was helpful to melee characters but not required since rogue was more about skills and levels than any of it's stats, and charisma was largely only used for hirelings. Which only really fighter got to have on a regular basis with RAW. Meaning they weren't even kind enough to steal the new and more intuitive layout of stats.
Thief, not rogue. The class was all about sneaking, climbing, breaking, entering, and backstabbing. It wasn't the "agile, frail, quiet warrior" archetype that the rogue is, it was more akin to Bilbo Baggins. It was even underpowered compared to the original three classes, to give the impression of a normal guy fighting alongside heroes of myth. (Hide in Shadows and Move Silently were even separate skills that couldn't be used together!)
That attribute order sounded strangely familiar. I opened my old gaming books and it's almost the order they're written in original D&D. Strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution and charisma. They just have dexterity and constitution backwards. (Yeah took them a while to figure out you could sort them by physical and mental).
They were originally sorted as Primary and Secondary. Fighters needed STR, wizards INT, clerics WIS, and the other three were important to all three, but less so than the main one.
26:10 ''I've discussed the negatives of permanent housing and shared overworlds before, mainly how the early adopters dominate and new players feel unwelcome or unable to achieve the same level of presence in the world'' I think you're just describing land and housing as private property there in the real world mate. It's ironic that we can all clearly see the faults in a game in these regards but when it comes to real life, we somehow forget that it often goes by the same rules and declare the very things which are toxic to reality as sacred.
Oh, we are aware that ut is bad in reality... In a similar comaprison someone comapred a similar situation to reality, might have been this person while talking about hardcore PvP.
@@thedarkknight9021 I'm suggesting that we should curtail real estate hoarding by the elites. Realistically speaking you do not want wealthy elites to buy up regular citizen real estate to rent out to said citizen (who would otherwise buy said real estate) because this will take away from the purchasing power of the average citizen (them having to pay rents) and it makes regular housing for normal citizens unaffordable because a regular citizen doesn't have the same disposable income to compete with the extremely wealthy. This is what happened in Ancient Rome and Modern Metropolitan areas. Where normal citizens used to own their own home, they were slowly bought out by the wealthy elites who would then rent out the very same homes back to the same class of citizens for higher rents than they otherwise would pay if the person had been able to buy it for themselves. This in turn causes the average citizen to go from a home owner to a renter all the while also relatively paying more money for less space. It also takes away the traditional and safe way for a citizen to build up wealth as an investment as regular citizens don't invest in businesses but rather their own home. So the more houses that are bought out by the elites will cascade into an income drop for the renting citizens as well as a sharp decrease in their savings capability because they are no longer able to invest in their own home. (simply put, you pay rent to live in the home you could have bought and instead of being able to save money, this is taken by the wealthy who bought the home you needed to raise a family, so your income is taken away as well as your traditionally safe method of retirement investment) This is one of the primary reasons why the wealthy grow wealthier while the poor grow poorer. It is because they buy up the means that the lower classes need to survive and sell them back to them for a markup. (scalping entire markets essentially going down the list by ROI potential) This effect is most pronounced in well developed economies that no longer provide strong economic growth potential. So in order to gain a ROI the wealthy instead of building factories and providing labor, actually starts cannibalizing it's own middle class in order to squeeze out a few extra dollars for themselves. The money has to come from somewhere ... so if there's no economic growth to be had to increase your wealth, the only place left to get it is to squeeze the bottom classes for more money. Eventually they will squeeze the middle-class to death unless a massive economic shift takes place such as industrialization, a massive plague that kills of large population base (black plague), or other events that shake up the market but otherwise if left untouched and unregulated, the wealthy will always inevitably starve off the lower classes in order to grow fatter themselves even to the point where the economy is crippled and ineffective. This last effect is most pronounced in stagnant economies with aristocratic heritage as the aristocrats are constantly trying to get wealthier and the only way to do so is to make the peasants pay more. In turn this makes it impossible for a peasant to ever buy his own land to support himself with as he cannot compete in purchasing power vs an aristocrat in buying land. This means that he is forever in debt, unable to buy his own land and doomed as a slave to the wealthy aristocrats because he can never obtain a means to support himself with and has to live off the grace of the aristocrat. This is why capitalism inevitably leads to the death of the middle class and the formation of a feudal society if left unchecked. (or in our modern world example, the formation of mega corporations and still only living paycheck to paycheck while owning nothing except debt) Now don't think I'm some sort of leftist communist hippy because I can write just as big of an essay on why communism is shit too and why it fails as a system. I'm just looking at the realities of each system as it is. They are both deeply flawed if left unregulated and lead to the exploitation of the average human.
Just discovered your channel & I have to say I'm enjoying the content it has already saved me from paying for a couple of MMO's so well done, got yourself a sub :)
Oh wow. this one gave me nostalgia. 90s poorly-shaded graphics. 90s CPU and memory issues. 90s MUD game systems (but worse). 90s interface. 90s "never played a 3D game before" level of understanding what works in a game. This game is two decades old. Except for pay-to-win microtransactions. If not for that, I'd say "nice first game - now go on to create something playable" to the devs.
You and KiraTV are by far the best mmo channels right now. You two are just geniune, no bs attatched. Also you both are skilled at respectfully dismantling a game while never delving into ignorance or hating.... But yall do spank some games from time to time its great.
@@Magmagan I do like him most of the time, but he definitely gives off the vibes of that one dude at a party who is convinced they're the smartest guy in the room who is so very above it all and will make sure you know it. Even if you've never met before that moment.
@@jonathansoko1085 That's fair. I do want to add, I have watched a lot of his content and I do try and give him the engagement and clicks and all of that. And I don't doubt his honesty, just his general vibe. That said, he is absolutely in his element when he's doing takedowns of Kickstarter scams, and it shows. Those are the most fun to watch.
DreamScapes used to be a text based MUD, ages ago. It was a great game if you're into the genre. IIRC, the creator was already playing around with the idea of making it a '3D game', probably because of seeing the success of WoW back then. Pretty much all the players thought it was a bad idea and wanted him to focus on the existing game instead. Eventually it stagnated and slowly died. Didn't think about the game for many years until I saw this vid. Same starting town, some of the same mechanics, just worse. I wish the creator, Melleth/Andy, all the best! Thanks for all the fun we had on the MUD.
youre wrong about the buildings Tudor House, from St. Michael's Square, Bugle Street, southhampden is from 1492, and has sash windows, it is reniassince, however. The beginnings of the period - the early Renaissance of the 15th century and the Italian Proto-Renaissance from around 1250 or 1300 - overlap considerably with the Late Middle Ages, conventionally dated to c. 1250-1500
"Why are the lizards deformed" I never thought Id ever hear those words in a review, or ever. For some reason that line cracked me up. Ive had a bad week and that made me laugh, thank you Josh.
My favorite part of all of this is if you scroll back to the update that came out after this video, the single developer actually listened and fixed a ton of the issues pointed out. They also removed the cash shop, so cheers to them for actually trying to make it better. Also, they added 4 more to the length of the characters name (now 20) so you can now properly be thunderhammer!
Good on them, way to go ✌️
Good on them. Not enough to make me play it though. This game straight up rapes my ocular organs
they removed the cash shop because crypto mining earns them enough as it is.
@@zoltanbojan8035 But it’s not a crypto miner. How would they earn anything off of a game that nobody plays? Also, if you had any idea how to check to see if it’s using resources and net connectivity to mine bitcoin, you’d already know it’s not a cryptominer.
Go try to be cool by saying shit you don’t understand about something else.
@@jflanagan9696 it was a joke, but go off I guess
Love how these kinda games ALWAYS got a shop and you can bet your ass, even if nothing else works, the shop will.
there were a few that he reviewed where the shop didn't work like digimon world. the game was a fail from first loggin in and seeing spelling mistakes everywhere
@davoodinator
The cash shop not working is just a symptom that the game is abandoned or on auto pilot.
If by "works" you mean "charges your card" yep 😂
i can think of only one reason for a game to use that much memory...
if the ENTIRE WORLD is ONE SINGLE AREA.
if it uses ONE SINGLE FILE for THE ENTIRE WORLD.
It probably doesn't unload any of the things you can't see.
@@1un4cy it dont unload anything whatsoever.
Also it's a Crypto Miner.
@@Kairos_Akuma High ram alone shouldn't mean that I've used a few different miners and none reach anywhere near that much ram usage, its mainly GPU usage
@@Kairos_Akuma Ram Usage alone doesn't mean a Crypto Miner since Crypto Mining primarily uses your GPU
I recognise literally every item sprite they use as generic Unity stuff lol. I got given them in my first game dev class. Same with the scroll speed issue; that's Unity's default scroll speed. Fixing it is super easy too, so they just didn't care.
I recognize those sprites from Thea 2 and one or another from SphaxPureBDcraft texture pack from minecraft, so it seems they stole assets from other games and the Unity generic marketplace, very nice indeed
The compass is from skyrim I think.
yup, and there's definitely no "crypto mining," it's just using too much CPU and RAM because he didn't bake lighting and instead placed tons of real lights in one massive scene... He has no idea how to optimize the game.
HELLO DEAR DEVS JUST LIKE YOU I'M A PROCESSIONAL VIDEO GAME MAKER AND I ALSO SEEN ALL THESE STUFF FROM UNITY, UNREAL ENGINE, NVIDIA ETC..
@@thegreatoldone That is actually just Skyrim's compass, holy shit.
"You can unequip your own hand..."
That ability might do some of us some good given being stuck at home with internet access.
cyberpunk 2021
Best Dnd spell right there.
@Simple Weirdo lol, MAGICCCCC!! of course.
Garrys Mod does the same
"*THEY*" don't want you to know this, but removing your hand is possible... for a price
I'm planning to make an MMO as my first game. It's going to be a Crypto Currency mining text based MUD with limited open world player housing, full open world pvp, and procedurally generated dungeons.
Edit: And a cash shop. For Lootboxes.
Please take my money.
Make sure if you die it deletes all your items and resets you to level 1.
But include real money items that gives back your levels and items.
@@DarthZ01 holy shit, calm down you entrepreneur overlord, leave some money for the rest of us.
Change it to Luteboxes, where you buy boxes that contain lutes.
@@marclytle644
G E N I US
I don't even play MMO's but man I've been addicted to your content recently.
How did you arrive here...?
@@pablocardona9804 his Wizard 101 video got in my recommended, and I use to always see ads for that game as a child and wanted to see what exactly it was like. I ended up loving his content so I’ve just been binging it since.
@@HereACreature good to hear :)
I don't play MMO games anymore, mostly because I don't think my current comp can handle it, but I used to play a few. I'm glad they weren't anything like most of the games in the Worst MMO Ever series.
@@magnatcleo2043 that’s good! XD I’m not a huge fan of the MMO genre, I’d say the only “MMO” I really play is Destiny, but I have a love-hate relationship with it. I usually like more involved combat or movement mechanics in a game, or a really interesting plot to go through and be done with, but I really like to see the concepts and art design of MMO’s since so many are still really interesting to me. I also love really terrible games, hence why I’m here.
I love how at 24:52 there is a photorealistic high resolution spider with a gorgeous character model and 10 cm behind it is a bag where I can literally count the vertexes.
That's how it goes asset flips, random models and graphics slapped together with no thought for artistic cohesion. I can only suspect that it's going to get worse in the future.
i apologise for being that guy AND over a year late. but it's 'vertices' :)
@dopesickdog I didn't know that so thanks champ 👍
@@dopesickdogI opened this comment just to say that lmao
Seeing the first person walk animation with the arms crossing the screen, I feel like the whole animation is like that purple hulk movie mocap
That’s him
@Anna333 There is but one Amazing Bulk. Please afford him the amazing respect he deserves.
I know exactly what you're talking about and I hate it. Hahaha
Well it aint barney the purple dinosaur!
Dude, I thought the exact same lol
Grim Dawn actually did the "Manage reputation with enemy factions" thing pretty well. In that game, friendly factions have Respect, which goes up when you do things for them, and higher respect gets you discounts from vendors, new quests, etc. Enemy factions have Infamy, which goes up when you kill them, and higher Infamy causes stronger enemies to spawn, which makes it easier to get better loot.
Grim Dawn is great.
You should really run some of these games from a virtual machine. So you don’t have to worry about installing any malicious software.
Yeah thanks muta
Thanks muta
Ah, my people
Didn't know muta had a second channel
Thanks muta
Almost Perfection. It only lacks comic sans as font.
Papyrus lmao
They thought about using it, I'm sure.
Man. That plot is straight out of a horror game. Imagine what spiders could build if they could use crafting tools! Or advanced maschinery!
Yeah man, that shit was wierd and scary XD
@@tut-4126 I would totally watch taht movie/ read that book where spiders managed to overthrough humanity because they mastered basic tools. xD
@@sleepydruid100 XD
Cyriak knows what they would build
The spider queen craffted one arrow. He got lucky she didnt craft the bow yet.
Hello Josh! On the ability order...Looks like the creator (almost!) used the stat order from the original version of Dungeons and Dragons and the 1st edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (~1980). At that time the order was Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Dexterity, Constitution, Charisma. Not sure why they swapped Constitution and Dexterity in this game. The more common order of Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma began in AD&D version 2.
The original original version does it Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Constitution, Dexterity, Charisma. This is because the three available human classes are Fighting-Man, Magic-User, and Cleric, which have prime requisites matching the first three attributes. Constitution is something that affects everyone's hit points, so it comes next, and Dexterity and Charisma are more situationally useful elements so they come later. When the Thief class is added later on, its prime requisite is Dexterity, so that moves up to the "prime requisite" section of the attributes, resulting in the order you've noted.
@@Glazius7 That's actually really interesting to learn.
I was so ready for the characters name to be "Chad Thundercock".
He probably didn't do it since he wanted to keep the video monetized.
omg it would even fit in the character length..
That's what the name should have been. But when it wasn't, it was a harsh reminder that this channel, like many that the recommendation algorithms promote, is yet another UA-cam channel that's a commercial venture.
Or Geopounder xD
@@Eincrou whoa! A man trying to make a living from something that he puts a lot of hard work and time into! How dare he!
This feels a lot like what Dreamworld could hope to be with a couple more years of development...
This just looks like an asset flip to me, would explain the inconsistency in art style, why the "procedurally generated" dungeon is the way it is and why there's no optimisation to speak of. I doubt this was the result of someone's passion.
No one gonna point out that the compass at the top is a stolen asset from skyrim?
Yeah, and at 12:50 this even looks like the "lanterns of skyrim" mod
You’re right I didn’t even notice that
The font too. The enemy names in the combat log are using a skyrim font.
This game feels like an intense fever dream.
No, that's Otherland.
i feel sry 4 the guy and the video seems better then the game 4 sure ..
More like a barely interesting daydream.
That’s cuz it is.
More then secondhand lands?
20:14 "Eventually, Thankfully, I Die" will be the name of my autobiography.
you also gotta love the pawn shop skyrim compass at the top
its just taken straight from skyrim
28:25 "What the hell is up with the light rays coming from the windows at random angles?!"
This is something you see fairly often when someone who is new to 3D modeling tries to model game assets, or when you're using a questionable compiler to convert models from the modeling software to the ingame format.
To explain it simply, a 3D model is made up of points in 3D space called "vertices". When you connect two vertices together you form an "edge" which is basically just a line between vertices. If you connect 3 or more edges together in a loop you get a "face", which makes up the "skin" of the model that you're creating. Your model is made up of many many of those faces or "polygons". Those lines or "light rays" as you call it happen when you connect too many edges and faces to the same vertice. That's bad. You never want one vertice to have more than 4 edges connected to it. Basically the lighting portion of the 3D software gets confused and doesn't really know what to do, so it produces these lines in the model that mess up it's appearance. It's considered a form of artifact or glitch/bug in the model. If you look closely you can see that each of the "light rays" converge on a nearby point. What you're seeing is the edges creating distortions in the model, and the point of convergence is the single vertice that they're connected to.
It's a common mistake with new modelers and it's completely fixable or preventable, and really any serious or even halfway decent hobby modeler learns how to make models without these glitches eventually. They kind of have to or they don't have a job. But since this game is made by a completely new and very inexperienced developer it's not all that surprising to see it.
Josh is releasing content at a "league of angel reward box" pace atm. Great stuff !
Suggestion for another worst mmos ever: “Sherwood dungeon” I honestly don’t even know how that game still has its servers up
I played that game a lot, around 2008-2009, it was my first MMO, I think It had around 1000 people on the server around that time, I saw how things changed, nowadays it's horrible, less than 100 people, nobody talks to you all They ignore you, it seems that you entered a party and nobody wants to talk to you, horrendous.
I remember playing that on shitty school computers. It's honestly just palate swap galore.
SD is legendary
As a kid I played a ton of the original Sherwood which was basically just FFA pvp lobby with swords, and after that the Dungeon version. I didn't like Dungeon too much since RuneScape existed.
That one dislike is Archeage, it tried so hard to be the worst one and these guys came to ruin everything.
i tried ArcheAge for a while, but the forced-PVP aspect in higher-level areas put me off. i HATE that. it's MADE for "griefing".
ArcheAge also has a silly crafting system that uses ENERGY.
one-point-per minute energy.
ONLY GAINED WHEN ONLINE UNLESS YOU PAY THE MONTHLY FEE FOR PREMIUM.
AND it takes energy to open "money pouch" items dropped by enemies! i had a HUNDRED i could not open for lack of energy!
I don't understand how ArcheAge is even remotely comparable to any of these meme-tier pieces of garbage. The game has problems (mostly to do with its insistence on combining a highly linearized gearing and leveling system with open world PvP, but the energy system isn't too great either) but it tries to do a lot of small things right, honestly. Things like the ability to actually sit in chairs or light/snuff lights, the soundtrack, the music system, several of the environments, the approach to the player's place in the world's lore, player territory sieges that actually matter, the skill systems... Overall I'd say it's an almost incredible game made mediocre by a few critical decisions being made deadly wrong, not a game competing for being the worst on the market.
I loved archeage on launch.
On launch.
The rest sucked. Haha
@@Ithirahad It's less the quality of the game's framework and moreso the abysmal way in which the publishers have handled it.
Fucking up one of the most promising MMOs in years twice in a row isn't something you live down.
Archeage could have been a wonderful game with a few smarter decisions around PvP and Land Owning. And Pay to Win. I should know, I was there during the beta/launch madness. Quit a few months later for good though.
If i binge watch all of Josh Strife MMO reviews im hoping i can transcend the regular human body i reside in and become an eloquent lord of the words like him.
lol same
Yeah that cpu and ram usage along with your AV freaking out is a huge red flag for a crypto miner
It's avast, it freaks out with false positives far too much
@@skylarkblue1 Doesn't explain the CPU and RAM usage.
@@oxymoron02 30-40% cpu usage is pretty common with unoptimised things? And ram doesn't get used for cryptominers like that so it'll just be memory leaks, which becomes more and more common the less optimised/more badly made something is. He doesn't mention what his GPU usage is so I can't comment on that section, but everything shown just shows it's a badly made game.
To me it looks more like there is no graphics rendering and it's all done by software (hence the CPU), which is why his CPU and memory increases when he turns the graphics up.
@@biigsmokee That'd make sense. Though I wouldn't say it spikes high enough for that but could also just be the program being shitty. Either way, it's not a cryptominer.
In regards to the character stats and their order. In Advanced D&D (1st ed) that was actually how they were ordered as each stat had a chart that took up half a page. The grouping of the physical/mental stats was actually a change in later editions of D&D.
Maybe the illegal mining area beneath the training arena is a subtle hint this game is performing illegal crypto mining using your PC *wink wink
If you listen closely during the live footage scene you can hear the cry's of Josh's CPU
A game i recommend you checking out is Sherwood Dungeon. An old browser mmo that I played as a kid. I'd love to see an analysis on it from a professional
Oh boi, that nostalgia shockwave almost knocked me out of my feet!
Glad I’m not the only one who remembers that game! I played it all the time as a kid, I’d love to see him do a proper analysis of it here.
I used to LOVE Sherwood dungeon as a kid, wow! I really would love to see Josh review it today!
you got your wish
@@henotic.essence
I really, REALLY liked your disclaimer regarding not disrespecting the developer but actually only critizising the product
If it's a one person malware cash-grab with a surface vaguely resembling a game, I don't know why there should be any respect due.
We found the game developer 😂
Wouldnt a crypto-miner run on the gpu and not the cpu?
Also I remember having a bunch of artists on a team on a game project during my 2nd semester at uni and tbh the levels they built ran like shit too. Maybe that game just has devs that have absolutely no clue about the creation of any kind of software, just slapped a bunch of assets together and called it a day. Things like the character creation screen are exactly what you get when this is done.
The sliders in the character-creation screen are just the default Unity-Sliders without any changes made to them, the buttons are default Unity-UI-Buttons with a free font from the asset-store, same goes for the textfields and selection boxes.
The "cute" sprites are all taken from another free rpg-asset-pack from the assetstore.
The "quest description" in the top-right corner right next to the mini-map is also just written in the default Unity-Font, not even TextMeshPro.
Since all these assets are just taken from other places and the compass is stolen from Skyrim, I would be willing to bet that there is not a single line programmed by anyone in that team in the entire game, just like there isnt any texture or model that has been created by those guys either.
At this point it is an insult to anyone who ever created any kind of game to call this piece of trash a "game".
Maybe the entire world is processed without culling ? Also maybe software rendering with massive memory leaks ?
GPU would be a better use of resources for mining yes. However to take over that kind of process well.....its just easier and requires much less skill to take up CPU resources and honestly if they had that kind of programming skill at their disposal it would have been a much better game on many levels. Crypto mining or not, if no one plays it they arent earning. But the graphics scaling ramping up CPU usage like that.....if its NOT crypto mining I cannot think of a way a game could use 15 gigs of RAM without having a download size of at least 50 gigs for reasources to pull from. I hear its made by one guy so i am sure it has memory leaks but if it was just down to leaks it would have crashed more. That its stable if choppy means the CPU is doing SOMETHING. I also believe the speed at which text moves and the speed of the scrolling is deliberately slow as to take up more player time to get more mining done. And frankly i think the illegal mining operation in the crystal cave is a not so subtle developer joke. I know far to many game designers who would do JUST that kind of thing.
@@zofdig shut up im a pro video game maker and this is crypto 1000%
@@franciscopereira5760 No, it isnt. Go run some diagnostics and check out the use of your GPU vs the CPU. It's a very poorly optimized game that seems to load the entire world and keep it loaded at all times. Not to mention that you can check your netstat and see what's going on.
The illegal mining operation comes from his original game, where there's a dwarven mining team underneath the newbie area in Keltrath that isn''t supposed to be there. It has existed in that game for over a decade now, so I doubt it's a very thoroughly planned out nod to his eventual plans to cryptomine in a game that wasn't in its development stages yet.
Whatever people think about Asmon, I hope this boosts your channel so damn hard. Your content is fantastic and deserves to be seen.
Thanks matt. I actually find asmon to be a really grounded and balanced person with a lot of very witty, very accuratr insights into the mmo world.
I need a firewall that will stop non-MMO clips of Asmon from filling half of my youtube sidebar, no matter what I'm watching. No, youtube, I do not want to listen to him rant for 20+ minutes about other peoples' rants about some petty drama.
@@JoshStrifeHayes hes more intelligent than what most people make him off, and I like how sometimes he goes with the flow of it .. once you catch this on him, its impossible to not see it again, and he's good on what he does.
8:17 hold up, that Cure Light Wounds icon is the same icon used in RPG Duels Text Adventure for several healing abilities - for example, Cathy the Kitty's 9 Lives in the critter duels mode
You can buy icon packs. A lot of indie devs do that.
the perspective of judging games harder for having microtransactions is very fair. I just wanted to say I appreciate the respect you clearly give to independant game designers doing their best even when it doesnt turn out great, only judging them more harshly if they deserve it by trying to extort money from whatever playerbase they manage.
Josh, do Tibia next, hear me on this one:
I know you often mention it as classic game, a pioneer in certain aspects, but in my opinion the game is a shell of what it used to be.
While it has grown into a fan-favorite of a very niche community, it is, without a doubt, a microtransaction hellhole. This, in turn, has attracted masses of ill-intentioned players, many of which operate in what I would describe as cartels, with a lot of real life money involved.
It is my childhood mmorpg, and it wrecks my heart to see it as it is now. It had potential to grow into something special, but it's been ruined and it's only getting worse.
I'd love to hear your analysis on the game
OMG yes my little sister and I loved that game as kids but it has become like u said a shell of its former self
let see it on future video. look interesting topic.
Still love it
I figured Old School Runescape was also like this, recalling the numerous PvP & Luring clans in the wilderness alongside the countless malicious groups behind the 'Sand Casino' that was once formerly known as the Duel Arena a long time ago, not to mention the rampant scamming and hacking going on behind the scenes.
nah tibia was always trash, losing 10%( or 20% i dont remenber, but either way was awefull) of your total exp points and skill point AND 1 random item is just freaking BRUTAL. i died 4 times in a roll while lv up skills, it setted me back 3 month of progress and i never come back to it. and i'm still in rage about it 17 years later.
Well they got the "dreamscape" part right. This does look like something I would see in my nightmares.
Do you have an image backup of your computer so you can completely reset the state of the machine each time you try these? (or have a separate physical hard drive for testing the garbage)
A virtual machine could also be a good option.
@@zimbu_ lol I'd love to see this particular underoptimized game from the video run on a VM (even if you use PCI-E passthrough it will probably still be atrocious)
Running a game on an external hard drive doesn't stop viruses from accessing your boot drive.
@@MapleLeafAce True, for that you'd need to have your boot drive encrypted and Secure Boot turned on to prevent them modifying your drive without you knowing. (to protect against straight up erasing of course you'll need to physically unplug it)
Josh's patience with so many of these games is honestly awe-inspiring.
Did anybody else notice the portrait is literally base skin with a green overlay that doesn't cover the full forehead? 😂😂 i swear i got stuck staring at it for like 5 minutes trying to see if i was just tired or something and was too lazy to click to fullscreen. Thank you Josh, because i would have lost my mind
or the fact that the compass is literally from skyrim
@@crusty_ dfkm I didn't catch that 😂😂
4:08 STR, INT, WIS, CON, DEX, CHA was the order of the ability scores in original D&D. 3rd edition changed the order in order to group the physical and mental stats together.
Strength was the primary ability of the Fighting-Man (later Fighter), Intelligence was for Magic-Users (later Wizards), and Wisdom was for Clerics; the three original class of the game. Constitution, Dexterity and Charisma was useful for all classes, but not strictly necessary--sort of like bonus abilities.
How awkward to call a class "Fighting-Man" in a setting with non-human races.
I suppose that's why Elf and Dwarf were originally classes.
As a game developer that makes RPGs, I really appreciate your intro disclaimer. It would be dandy if more folk thought along those lines
Hey, don't hate the devs, hate the publishers/investors. Neither know how much time y'all put into your work.
@@T0asty- pretty sure this game is a solo team
If you want love and respect from gamers, make good games. If you make shit games I'll assume your shit with zero ability or skill.
and yet you would develop a crypto mining program with a shell of a game on top for money.. no scruples.
@@xenxander wh..
My Minecraft Super Hostile Modpack and accompanying free-to-join server is a better MMORPG than this.
Look- slowly burning in the sun with a few randoms would be a better past-time than this
Oh and and then you develop skin cancer.
THAT would be a better game than this
What a small world, I remember you from Mindcrack
We have DreamScape Dimensions coming up on our list of games to check out. I'll see what the game files are doing re: the CPU, GPU & RAM. Like you said, it seems way too high to just be an issue of it being poorly optimized.
@@user-gf5lq2pe3q If I end up hacked, it'll give me something to do that's probably more entertaining than the game.
Perhaps this isn't an MMO but a program for learning how to troubleshoot PC issues?
I once wrote a 3D browser animation that almost set my laptop on fire simply by not being frame-capped*. Trust me, you can ALWAYS write things poorly enough to use all resources. Load entire map/all assets in at once is all that's required, more often than not.
*That was in second year of university, graphics course, quite a few years ago.
@@sinine1100 ah, so your the guy responsible for the gandalf meme?
DreamScapes uses the uMMORPG version 1 addon for Unity. It's a highly customized version of it though. The reason you can't jump or fall off ledges is because movement is based on Unity's NavMesh agent which must be kept on the NavMesh. The uMMORPG Component edition uses true Physics based Movement so you can jump, swim, fall of ledges, all the things you would expect.
Also yes the reason for the high memory consumption is because everything is loaded at the start of the game. There is no terrain paging or anything.
28:30 That's phong shading. It creates a gradiend to smooth out the lighting around hard edges and we've been using it for at least 20 years. The problem is the game is trying to smooth ALL edges and you're seeing the triangles where this goes wrong. It's just how phong works and totally normal.
The fix would be simple: limit the phong angle, so you actually get some hard edges. You learn that in the first few hours of 3D modelling and it's nothing more than entering a numeric value.
7:58 - "this is what happens"
Ad plays - "THE NEW MEATBALL MARINARA SUB!"
what a weird thing to happen while im not looking.. lmao
Ooof. You took a great risk for us, dude. Appreciate it. :)
if you check the game theyve actually improved on some things mentioned in the video, you can now walk without using endurance, the bad scroll speed in the menu and rubberbanding
Extremely high memory consumption? Needing security software disabled? Early 2000-era graphics in 2021?
No thanks!
Josh mate, I commend your bravery for trying out crap so us viewers don't have to. :)
The slider in the character creation screen is a default unity asset that comes pre installed with the engine itself. The background of panels is just stretched buttons. And the buttons feel super close to the default Unity stuff, but feel a little bit different.
I like this guy. Very thorough and passionate.
Ah yes, my favorite part of any MMO -- rereading completed quest text.
As an MMO player seeing this game hurt me in a deeper level than I thought it would. Keep it up! You should definitely cover Metin2. I used to play it a lot back in 2010 and it was actually really popular for some time.
Ou yes I remember that game. It was very popular at my school around the same time as Club Penguin. Really good times
It was popular because of the combat system, I bet. Anything with good combat gets a good playerbase because it's better than the shitscape that is WoW.
Hey, guess what. He did. And a Metin clone called Inferna.
They both suck ass.
I played it once because a friend wouldn't shut up about it. It was shittier than all the games I played at the time. Empty world, ugly graphics, basically no plot. I seriously don't understand what she liked about it so much, it was no Gothic, it played about as well as a toaster
4:15 I believe the reason why the attributes are grouped the way they are is because they used to be group that way in older D&D editions. As to why they were grouped like that in that game, it was because Strength Intelligence and Wisdom were sort of primary attributes for the playable classes, that is to say Fighter, Magic-User and Cleric respectively. The other 3 were secondary in importance and all 3 classes benefited from them in some small way. I am not sure if that is reasonable for this game in particular though
That combat flute was sick. I wish that was the boss music in Dark Souls.
What's stopping you from modding that? :D
@@plushysheep Sanity ;D
Keybinds for W A S D only kinda cracked me up. Unexpected :D
The "First Game = MMORPG" discussion honestly hurts me. Even as someone who wants to make an MMORPG of a fantasy setting of mine in the future, that's just it, IN THE FUTURE. I gotta start off small with some singleplayer RPGs, RTSs, and whatnot to introduce everyone to the world whilst giving me some practical coding experience (that isn't fiddling around randomly in an engine trying stuff out for the fun of it.)
make a single olayer game instead
@@Sorrowdusk He said he was going to make single player games..?
It's not a team. It's one guy. He used a Unity asset for MMO-building. Others have succeeded doing the same thing, but this guy focused entirely on building the landscape, zero on optimization, and didn't finish the UI, didn't work on the gameplay, and got no feedback before release.
Hey Josh, would you ever make a “how to kill an MMO” video? I’ve been looking for something about this and can’t find any videos about it. Any of the ones I find talk about MMOs as a genre, but not specifically how to kill an MMO.
Why does it seem that the vast majority of MMOs slowly die while some others succeed? What are some game-killing decisions you’ve seen happen? Did you see it coming? Something on this subject would make a good video I think.
You just described death of a game a series by N.S.
I will put my 2 cents about the attributes section being messed up. English is my second language and when I started paying games, I collected some simple vocabulary in that area. Now how I see it strengh, inteligence and wisdom are quite basic English words. However constitution, dexterity and charisma are advanced words and when I saw those for the first time (for me it was dark soul 3) I had to translate all three of them. Maybe they are group up in this way, so when you read it you would have a mental image of the groups for non-native meglish speakers. I really do not think some studio would be THIS selective about it, but it's just a theory.
It's related to another game, dungeons and dreagons. In some version of it it was like that. Yout theory is good tho, english is my second language aswell and those are complicated words
After watching this all I have to say is, thank you for your sacrifices lmfao enjoyed it man love the worst mmo videos
Im pretty active in a lot of game dev circles. Im an aspiring one myself and I live with a professional game dev, and we have lots of friends within those circles. and one thing I see happen a LOT is that there are so many newbie wannabe game devs who only have about a year or less worth of game coding experience who just want to make their own MMOs. for some baffling reason a lot of inexperienced programmers and designers just immediately want to start their first project with an MMO. and often times they come around asking extremely basic questions, and we keep giving them the same answer every time. "if you need to ask basic questions like this and have never completed a game before, then you really shouldn't be attempting to make an MMO". and of course thats not what they wanna hear, so they keep pushing forward until they hit a wall and give up, or release unfinished broken garbage like Dreamscapes Dimensions.
for anyone reading this who is interested in making their own MMO, Im really sorry to break this to you, but your over ambitious WoW killer MMO isnt ever going to be good if your entire team consists of just five people or less. the best you can hope for is to make something small and simple like Minecraft or Adventure Quest or Runescape, but anything more advanced than those and you'll be biting off way more than you can chew. get some basic games under your belt first before you attempt anything bigger so you can get a good feel of how things are done. it'll help you get a good idea of scope, and know what your limits are.
The skeletons having a tracked reputation was a nice touch though, reminds me of the Bloodsail Buccaneers rep in WoW
Yeah, I actually liked that, even if it does nothing is fun to be a bad person to the skeletons
I burst out laughing when you opened the keybinds menu and it was just the WASD keys. Such a perfect visual representation of the amount of effort put into this game.
Thank you Josh for saving our PCs from being killed by this game using it for mining.
This game hasn't been tested at all it looks like. Alpha and most likely abandoned by the Devs
Crypto mining could be a very interesting way of sustaining F2P mmo's
considering they make even good computers unazble to play the game that is cryptomining you... i dont see it working for any realistic amount of time..
There's a f2p mmorpg that requires spending crypto for everything and you earn it for everything once logged into the game. I was 0.32 crypto currency short in that specific game to even make it out of character creation. :(
I believe the game was called Litebringer, but I could be wrong.
I've yet to see an MMORPG utilizing crypto mining that wasn't a terrible game.
@@AunCollective it's an unpolished technology, give it time
if it was consensual, i could see that becoming a staple industry
I freaking lost it at the piccolo chunky skully-tons moment.
I’m so happy yt offered me this series to randomly binge out of order. Great series, & unlike most of these games, not actively hostile or opaque to new people. Yay thx.
Well, that's almost the order stats are in with 1st edition AD&D.
Bold of them to steal the Skyrim compass asset and the Morrowind map asset at the same time!
Props to this masterpiece of a review I genuinely couldn't go 10 seconds without laughing my head off and the scene with the peacekeeper at the end was hilarious keep up the amazing work!
The compass at the top is practically identical to the compass in Skyrim! Seriously one of those "You can copy my homework but change it a little so we don't get in trouble" situations
I gave this game 10 more hours. I often play the overly ambitious individual-created MMOs and this game is definitely in the bottom half of those games in fun factor, stability, optimization, and world building / design.
I'm going to check out the MUD later on. It has to be better.
Regarding the heavy resource use, my first thought is just that it's extremely poorly optimized because it screams Yandere Simulator levels of performance and if this is a team's first "production ready" game and they are using something like Unity without understanding how it works under the hood (not disparaging them or anything because I know nothing as well).
If it were a miner, a smarter implementation would be to promote leaving the game on (or install something that runs even when the game is closed) and then run in the background once you leave the keyboard alone for a certain amount of time
dude, i really hope you use vm for the series. otherwise rip to your windows.
He doesn't even know what RAM does, if he's ever even heard of a VM before I'll be absolutely fucking shocked.
@@E1m0ren he's used a VM in a bunch of videos lol
vm?
@@kindkindred virtual machine
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Ah, I get it, thanks!
God I just realized the top compass is ripped off of Skyrim😂
Your videos are getting better, and better. Great job Josh!
Based on the CPU demand I think it might be that the game is using software rendering like old 90s games before GPUs took off. Only way I could explain it needing so much CPU power as even mining on my CPU doesn't use that much RAM.
Can we see you do Skyforge? It was pretty dull at launch but now its monetization has nearly killed. Though I thought it was fun for a while.
Amusingly, their orientation of the dnd stats is actually accurate to how they used to be ordered. They were done so like that because Strength, Intelligence, and Wisdom were the main stats of three of the classes so they were the most important. Then constitution was important to everyone but not a core stat, dex was helpful to melee characters but not required since rogue was more about skills and levels than any of it's stats, and charisma was largely only used for hirelings. Which only really fighter got to have on a regular basis with RAW.
Meaning they weren't even kind enough to steal the new and more intuitive layout of stats.
Thief, not rogue. The class was all about sneaking, climbing, breaking, entering, and backstabbing. It wasn't the "agile, frail, quiet warrior" archetype that the rogue is, it was more akin to Bilbo Baggins.
It was even underpowered compared to the original three classes, to give the impression of a normal guy fighting alongside heroes of myth. (Hide in Shadows and Move Silently were even separate skills that couldn't be used together!)
@@KopperNeoman true enough. I'm just used to saying rogue.
When two worlds is a masterpiece incomparison you see the flaws
It's so bizarre to hear anyone randomly mention Two Worlds, wow.
Two worlds was an awesome game, I don't know why it gets so much shit.
That attribute order sounded strangely familiar. I opened my old gaming books and it's almost the order they're written in original D&D. Strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution and charisma. They just have dexterity and constitution backwards. (Yeah took them a while to figure out you could sort them by physical and mental).
They were originally sorted as Primary and Secondary.
Fighters needed STR, wizards INT, clerics WIS, and the other three were important to all three, but less so than the main one.
Thanks, @@KopperNeoman that actually makes sense.
26:10 ''I've discussed the negatives of permanent housing and shared overworlds before, mainly how the early adopters dominate and new players feel unwelcome or unable to achieve the same level of presence in the world''
I think you're just describing land and housing as private property there in the real world mate. It's ironic that we can all clearly see the faults in a game in these regards but when it comes to real life, we somehow forget that it often goes by the same rules and declare the very things which are toxic to reality as sacred.
Oh, we are aware that ut is bad in reality... In a similar comaprison someone comapred a similar situation to reality, might have been this person while talking about hardcore PvP.
Are you suggesting we should not have permanent housing in the real world?
@@thedarkknight9021 I'm suggesting that we should curtail real estate hoarding by the elites.
Realistically speaking you do not want wealthy elites to buy up regular citizen real estate to rent out to said citizen (who would otherwise buy said real estate) because this will take away from the purchasing power of the average citizen (them having to pay rents) and it makes regular housing for normal citizens unaffordable because a regular citizen doesn't have the same disposable income to compete with the extremely wealthy.
This is what happened in Ancient Rome and Modern Metropolitan areas. Where normal citizens used to own their own home, they were slowly bought out by the wealthy elites who would then rent out the very same homes back to the same class of citizens for higher rents than they otherwise would pay if the person had been able to buy it for themselves.
This in turn causes the average citizen to go from a home owner to a renter all the while also relatively paying more money for less space. It also takes away the traditional and safe way for a citizen to build up wealth as an investment as regular citizens don't invest in businesses but rather their own home.
So the more houses that are bought out by the elites will cascade into an income drop for the renting citizens as well as a sharp decrease in their savings capability because they are no longer able to invest in their own home.
(simply put, you pay rent to live in the home you could have bought and instead of being able to save money, this is taken by the wealthy who bought the home you needed to raise a family, so your income is taken away as well as your traditionally safe method of retirement investment)
This is one of the primary reasons why the wealthy grow wealthier while the poor grow poorer. It is because they buy up the means that the lower classes need to survive and sell them back to them for a markup. (scalping entire markets essentially going down the list by ROI potential)
This effect is most pronounced in well developed economies that no longer provide strong economic growth potential. So in order to gain a ROI the wealthy instead of building factories and providing labor, actually starts cannibalizing it's own middle class in order to squeeze out a few extra dollars for themselves. The money has to come from somewhere ... so if there's no economic growth to be had to increase your wealth, the only place left to get it is to squeeze the bottom classes for more money.
Eventually they will squeeze the middle-class to death unless a massive economic shift takes place such as industrialization, a massive plague that kills of large population base (black plague), or other events that shake up the market but otherwise if left untouched and unregulated, the wealthy will always inevitably starve off the lower classes in order to grow fatter themselves even to the point where the economy is crippled and ineffective.
This last effect is most pronounced in stagnant economies with aristocratic heritage as the aristocrats are constantly trying to get wealthier and the only way to do so is to make the peasants pay more. In turn this makes it impossible for a peasant to ever buy his own land to support himself with as he cannot compete in purchasing power vs an aristocrat in buying land. This means that he is forever in debt, unable to buy his own land and doomed as a slave to the wealthy aristocrats because he can never obtain a means to support himself with and has to live off the grace of the aristocrat.
This is why capitalism inevitably leads to the death of the middle class and the formation of a feudal society if left unchecked. (or in our modern world example, the formation of mega corporations and still only living paycheck to paycheck while owning nothing except debt)
Now don't think I'm some sort of leftist communist hippy because I can write just as big of an essay on why communism is shit too and why it fails as a system. I'm just looking at the realities of each system as it is. They are both deeply flawed if left unregulated and lead to the exploitation of the average human.
@Avonir Avidan hello, to whom are you replying? The original commentator seems to have almost Marxist ideas and criticism of private property.
@Avonir Avidan He just seems to be aware of reality as well
Just discovered your channel & I have to say I'm enjoying the content it has already saved me from paying for a couple of MMO's so well done, got yourself a sub :)
3.5 hours ? this man has some amazing patience!
I think the secret mining operation at the last level is a hint of what this game is doing to your PC while it is running lol
You understand that this game is bad when Josh doesn't give a FIESTA of 10 (run out of Endurance, I guess)
Love how grumpy you got on this one! Just the absolute passion here is sublime
0:20 I'm pretty sure I just got eye cancer, thank you, Josh.
Glaucoma here I come.
Oh wow. this one gave me nostalgia.
90s poorly-shaded graphics. 90s CPU and memory issues. 90s MUD game systems (but worse).
90s interface. 90s "never played a 3D game before" level of understanding what works in a game.
This game is two decades old. Except for pay-to-win microtransactions.
If not for that, I'd say "nice first game - now go on to create something playable" to the devs.
It reminded me of the Might and Magic games. Can't recall which number in the series they started being truly 3d models instead of sprites.
You and KiraTV are by far the best mmo channels right now. You two are just geniune, no bs attatched. Also you both are skilled at respectfully dismantling a game while never delving into ignorance or hating.... But yall do spank some games from time to time its great.
Kira is so tiring to watch though
@@Magmagan I do like him most of the time, but he definitely gives off the vibes of that one dude at a party who is convinced they're the smartest guy in the room who is so very above it all and will make sure you know it. Even if you've never met before that moment.
Something about that Kira guy ticks me off. I don't know what, but I can't stomach the way he speaks.
@@Noordledoordle Hes really not like that though, you may get the impression but when you listen to him, hes quite fair and honest
@@jonathansoko1085 That's fair. I do want to add, I have watched a lot of his content and I do try and give him the engagement and clicks and all of that. And I don't doubt his honesty, just his general vibe. That said, he is absolutely in his element when he's doing takedowns of Kickstarter scams, and it shows. Those are the most fun to watch.
DreamScapes used to be a text based MUD, ages ago. It was a great game if you're into the genre. IIRC, the creator was already playing around with the idea of making it a '3D game', probably because of seeing the success of WoW back then. Pretty much all the players thought it was a bad idea and wanted him to focus on the existing game instead. Eventually it stagnated and slowly died. Didn't think about the game for many years until I saw this vid. Same starting town, some of the same mechanics, just worse. I wish the creator, Melleth/Andy, all the best! Thanks for all the fun we had on the MUD.
I usually try to guess your rating. This time I thought it would be 0 stamina/10.. close!
That graphic remind me SO MUCH of the daggerfall remake, which is free XD
"Oh the grass vibrates when it's windy, so that's a nice feature"
youre wrong about the buildings Tudor House, from St. Michael's Square, Bugle Street, southhampden is from 1492, and has sash windows, it is reniassince, however.
The beginnings of the period - the early Renaissance of the 15th century and the Italian Proto-Renaissance from around 1250 or 1300 - overlap considerably with the Late Middle Ages, conventionally dated to c. 1250-1500
I actually enjoy reading my quest log in ff14.
The localization/storytelling in that game is the best in any MMO, ever.
that game has a great story, even for the side quests
"Why are the lizards deformed" I never thought Id ever hear those words in a review, or ever. For some reason that line cracked me up. Ive had a bad week and that made me laugh, thank you Josh.
What a funny-looking Daggerfall mod you've stumbled upon.
Please don’t even include this piece of shit “game” with the word daggerfall
@@TheVioletBunny Just what I was about to comment.