Caller is Skeptical Why Hosts Don't Believe in God | Mark - London, UK | Atheist Experience 21.48
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- The Atheist Experience episode 21.48 for December 10, 2017 with Russell Glasser and Phil Session.
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Dear Christians: Actual research doesn't mean reading Answers in Genesis or other creationist/Christian websites.
It doesn't mean wikipedia either (his proclaimed source)
At least Wikipedia has citations to back up what's in its articles. I'm not saying it's a totally credible source but there are at least citations. And you're right, "research" doesn't mean just googling something, which was my point.
True although I doubt he checked the citations at all. Cherry picking sources is kinda the young earther speciality.
Joe Mama I told you not to upset them! Now look....The theists are crying.
Why are AIG, the institute of creation research or Got Questions reliable?
I cringe every time someone asks me how I "arrived " at being an atheist. I did not, I was born an atheist, and so were they. This confuses most of them.
I get annoyed when people ask the same thing over and over, but it's very new to the one asking. Most people grow up religious and they wonder why you changed. But, since you grew up Atheist, they just assume.
Great comment! Most callers on this show will not have a clue what you just said!
I was born into a family that professed to be C of E. We never went to church, we never spoke about religion. Our religion was purely for putting on official forms. Saying that, during my early teens I went through a period of examination. It probably took me a couple of hours to come the conclusion that there is no god. I already knew, at age fourteen, that there was no way of proving god could exist.
I’ve had a creationist ask me if I was raised this way, which personally the question took me by surprise. Most people will assume I was raised in the religion and defected later, but that was the first someone thought that I did not come to this conclusion on my own.
I tell them that when I was 9 and writing out the Christmas story /nativity yet again I realised it was ridiculously far fetched nonsense. Then I ask why they believe that an angel appeared, how kings wandered randomly through the desert to find a baby etc. Then I hit them with the arc story lol.
This caller provides a very thorough display of what is known as "talking absolute bollocks"
"I'm skeptical why-"
"well that's your first problem!"
fun, but
I’ve watched this clip several times and I can only find 2 accurate things the caller said: “I’m confused” and “I missed the point “
That's hilarious
Yeah. He lacks any trace of rational thought.
Hearing this guy talk about all the extensive “scientific research” he’s done, I’m reminded of a quote…
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the _illusion_ of knowledge.”
To be fair, it doesn't matter how much research you do if you can't understand it, or even worse, don't want to understand it.
So in other words ignorance?
@@Elnegro.. ignorance is lack of knowledge. Lack of understanding is not the same thing.
As well, simply lying is an illusion of knowledge, not just the dunning Kruger effect, which can be simple ignorance, or a lack of understanding
@@DarkAlkaiser You're probably right about most of his arugments ( caller ), but some of his arugments were arugments from ignorance, and I think I conflated that with his entire arugment.
@@DarkAlkaiser I take your point but the Dunning-Kruger effect is not ignorance or a lack of understanding. It is that someone genuinely believes they know more than they actually do and more than those who are actually well versed in a subject but may in turn have doubts about the veracity of their views.
This caller is extremely dishonest. The Richard Dawkins quote isn't don't ask "why" questions. It's when people ask why are we here, why is there something rather than nothing, what is my purpose? He argues that we are asking the wrong question of why, because it's begging the question. Assuming that there is some sort of reason for it all. Instead we should ask how the universe is here, how did we get here, how is there something rather than nothing. This is dishonest and it seems purposefully taken out of context.
Apparently why there is something rather than nothing is because there are other realms with sentient beings in them that caused our realm to exist. Our purpose is to tell the beings in the other realm how really awesome they are.
oscargordon ...okay, well I think that if Leprechaun’s could just know how awesome and great I think that they are, then perhaps they’d be willing to share the gold with me. The claim that the gold is usually found at the end of the very rainbows that god makes is to show us that he feels bad about drowning millions of his children that he loved soooo much, but he then realized that he made a mistake and gave us the rainbow to make up for his cruelty and promised to never do that again, is also awesome. However I assert that the Leprechauns are much better in the gift giving department, but whatever.
Koragg - Thanks for the clarification, I guessed the caller was taking the quote out of context.
Typical for "BIBLE-LIERS" ! ..................
It's not really fair to call this guy a liar just for taking a quote out of context. You'd have to prove the caller knows he's sharing misinformation. It's much more reasonable (and compassionate, etc.) to assume he's being genuine, and just hasn't done the due diligence of researching his 'points'.
"How can you NOT believe in a god?" That is seriously the most odd, ass backwards question I keep having to hear.
I go with Ricky Gervais' reply when asked this question, "Why would I? You made him up."
Stubborn denial. It only means you cant answer the question.
Alabama Mothman My answer would probably be the same as you answering “how can you NOT believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?’
@@RichD746 Then what created the universe atheist. An Accidental Flying Spaghetti Monster that doesnt exist. Or an Accidental Flying Spaghetti Monster that does exist.
Alabama Mothman Don’t know. And neither does anyone else. Claiming you do know is being dishonest. If a god was created out of nothing, then nothing deserves the credit. If you accept your god has always existed, then it’s just as easy to assume the universe has always existed.
The argument from common sense, "the bible explains existence in the best possible way", "knowledge is meaningless". "Talking snake, why not"
Wow! Peering into the mind of the average theist is bedazzling. 🧐
This guy just gave up in looking for answer of the universe, and choose the bible because why not.
you forgot to add, 'YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE OF MY ARGUMENT'. ;-)
This is a theist with above average IQ. You should hear the average ones. Sheesh!
Are you sure he is above average? lol
At 20:52, he literally says "I can completely understand your perspective, and I don't understand it."
“I can completely understand your perspective, I just don’t understand it”
Hahahahahhaahahhahaaaa
"Knowledge is meaningless" ok, I'm done
The anti-intellectualism in this caller is lethally infuriating. If knowledge is meaningless he wouldn't have the phone he has right now. He would probably not live to the age he's at right now. He would either die young or be a peasant who knows only to eat, copulate, and bow in front of some self-proclaimed god-king. Oh wait.
😂 that’s exactly when my brain just froze up. did...did you just say that knowledge isn’t important?!? 😂
I would have hung up at that point.
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d So what he has a phone,so what that he called..None of these facts have any meaning.
@@daviddeida Knowledge about this world helps create the phone he uses. Science propels humanity to its present state. Religion does not help that process, like at all. And do spare the Newton-as-a-theist defense; it's pathetic.
This guy rejects science but believes in a talking snake xD
Maybe he's Harry Potter in disguise
To be fair, you _do_ have to disregard science in order to believe in talking snakes. At least he's consistent in his nonsense.
@@PaddySnuffles Because... why not?
That tells you all you need to know about religion and the harm it does .
@@PaddySnuffles lol
One question: Did you ever pour a quart of oil in your car. Yes , well the oil is older than 6000 years old . Next caller.
"I don't understand why you don't believe in god" - same reason you don't believe in Odin or Zeus or the thousands of other gods man has invented.
Exactly.
It gives me great joy when I see athiest from all over the world commenting. It gives me hope for sanity to take over. ♥️🌎
So happy to live in a country (the Netherlands) that is over 50% secular! Hope to see 100% during my lifetime
@@PengwynLOB I wish to see the world come to a logical understanding. This would get rid of religion and mindless wars and terrorism in the name of a sky daddy. Gettings my Netherland like minded friend!
London, uk, ex-muslim.
Boom!
Peace
@Sun Flower I'm not sure. I'm more inclined to believe that religions are in decline because of laziness, people don't like to get up early on Sundays, pray 5 times a day nor having to different sets of china in two virtually separate kitchens for dairy and meat; that combined with people being very little informed about history, geography, religion, art, etc. the contact or exposure to religion is even lessened. In summary the fact that conspiracy theories are such a problem and misinformation/fake news is growing rampantly leads me to think that is not that people are "waking up", people's epistemological toolkit is as shitty as always, but that religions are just falling out of favor for multiple reasons and haven't been able to keep up with society's needs, for a second line of argument look up Christianity in China and how it is growing under the CCP authority, some bishops have even replaced Jesus with Mao, adapt and survive.
Atheist unschooling mother of four in Northern Virginia, U.S., here.
No-one "arrives" at atheism. They start there.
sadly it's the other way around...i was raised catholic and i realized was all bullshit when i was 8, but most of the people don't have the intelligence to do it or are more brainwashed then i was so they have to fight the cultural status quo to arrive to raison :/
@@UMBR. well you are correct sir, but sadly like everyone else i absorbed the social context were i lived and how i could not? and think about that, i was born an atheist? i don't think so because when i was born i had not the mind capability to even ask myself that question let alone give myself an answer... when the time had come that my mind had develop enough to even consider such question it was already contaminated with notion as: santa claus ,the tooth fairy, god, the virgin mary, jesus and satan. so i could say that my brain functions were born already set with the catholic presuppositions.... thank god i soon understood that they were all bullshit =)
@@UMBR. i understand what atheism is since i myself profess it. but i think we need to reflect more about the distinction between the birth of a baby and the "birth" of his consciousness
I would rather say , everyone is of God before they ask themselves the question .
@@akapp Something you have been taught to think. Before those lessons you were an atheist.
He’s basically saying, “I believe in god because god.”
Yes gods are made up, just not MY god.....
Wouldn't it be funny if there was a god, but to get into heaven, you had to pass a 5th grade level science test? Just food for thought.
Hey let's tell these loons that's the case.
Lol
Lol , maybe God doesn't want blind believing fools but smart people and this whole religious BS is just his IQ test because he doesn't want morons in heaven with him
@11:08 "...carefully curated ignorance." What a great line.
Make a great name for a Rock band. "Ladies and gentlemen please put your hands together for, CAREFULLY CURATED IGNORANCE!"
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq
Especially a great name for a Christian rock band.
MOTIVATED STUPIDITY is my own personal neologism....help yourself though... (I find the willfully ignorant are too easily able to dismiss the accusation out of hand, without a thought. They hear the word stupid directed their way, and suddenly they're paying attention!
live well
I can't stop with this show! It's like Jerry Springer! They're just making fun of woefully ridiculous people with trainwrecks for lives, but I can't look away!
Confidence booster hotline
LOVL - Good comment Taylor!!!
Super addictive
Lol
If I ever feel dumb I know what to watch!!!
Hands down, the most confused caller that ever called the show.
I'd say that was the woman who thought God was literally in the room with her.
If Matt Dillahunty was a host this episode that caller would have been hung up on about 10 times over.
Seriously, and Russell’s dicking around with non-answers and annoying analogies was so obnoxious. It was like he was committed to avoiding just correcting the guy’s bullshit.
How many times would Matt tell him to shut the fuck up?
Frank McGovern
WTF! Russell was hilarious here. There was no way to change this morons mind so have some fun with it. Don’t be so serious all of the time.
@@powbobs They don't have the show for the purpose of changing the mind of the caller, but perhaps the arguments they do make will change the mind of some of the viewers. So it would have been worth while having someone on the show that could shut down the argument.
24magiccarrot
Yes, I know.
They give him an answer, he ignores it and just repeats the question.
This guy demonstrates everything that's wrong with religion!
''A talking snake, why not ?'' ... absolutely priceless.
“I can completely understand your perspective, and I don’t understand it”
This guys actual statement at the end.
I can debate the existence of gods all day long. I enjoy the hell out of the philosophical arguments.
But as soon as the discussion goes into a literal 7 day creation and young earth, I'm done.
The amount of evidence that has to be ignored, twisted, misunderstood, and lied about, is beyond my patience.
What's there to debate? Show me the proof of god and there will be no debate.
This is one of the most frustrating people I have ever heard. I don’t even think that qualifies as a conversation.
Big fan of Russell right here. He explains things clearly and talks in a pace that's easy to follow.
Gotta say I disagree. Particularly on this call. Like I said elsewhere, it was like he was doing everything he could to avoid giving the guy straight answers and REPEATEDLY relied on these clumsy analogies about unicorn puzzles that the caller was clearly not getting. I kept wanting to just EXPLAIN to the guy in actual straightforward, direct words why his claims were so nuts.
Frank McGovern I disagree. Whereas Matt would indeed just shout at the guy the answer to all his questions, Russel is trying to get the caller to come to the answer himself. Clearly the caller lacks good critical thinking skills, so it’s important to instill those kind of mechanisms through the Socratic method. Russel does exactly that, prodding him to figure out the answer, but not outright stating it.
@@ReconNarwhal I don’t always agree with Russell, but I completely agree with how he comes about to explain. Everyone has their own way of expressing their viewpoints, in this case leading the horse. However, some people, like this caller, can’t seem to find the water
@@Frankya92 That’s fair. Not every caller is going to be equally receptive to different approaches.
I'm from the UK and believe me when I say that we are not all like this guy. However, apologies for him. Love how he says "I've looked into x, y and z and then in the very next sentence clearly illustrates that he hasn't in any useful way"
I love when he says, "i missed the point". Yes you did
This guy is too dim, you have to reiterate questions in order for him to see your point. Gotta be more specific!
Oh my gosh!! Never in my life would I have thought to find you here. I'm a big fan of your work and you are a great inspiration in the music I compose. Lots of love ❤️❤️❤️
This guy should be the poster boy for cognitive dissonance.
I love when religious people say they are skeptical of science. FACEPALM!
Yeah, you have to question what motivates scientists.
@ So you could have asked him, what wheels have to do with driving.
What worries me is some of these callers must have jobs. Some of those jobs must require an ability to utilise facts and observe reality in a way which is at least comprehensible.
Paul Gascoigne Stop frightening me man!
No my good friend....Try not to think of it. Maybe he is painter or is a cook.
@Elevendy Eleven Buildings collapsing happens a lot in the 3rd world where corruption is the norm.
This is why airline pilots have been known to intentionally fly into mountains.
You cannot trust these maniacs.
Wow I think this exact same thing every time I hear a caller like this. Like, this person actually functions in a work environment with a thought machine like that
Religious arguments in brief:
"I don't understand algebra therefore calculus is false!"
Said every "commercial engineer" in Chile (context: they are not real engineers, is just a title Chileans invented).
@@eleSDSU sadly true... 😢
I apologise for my fellow compatriot. He is by no means a typical Brit, just a bloviating pain in the arse.
He's African living in the UK. Africans seem very religious and I sometimes hear them say God fearing, which always makes me laugh!
@@markfindlay8636 God fearing isn't an African phrase. I'm pretty sure that's just a Christian thing in general.
@ @zagadka 3141 :-)
Yeh, I'm a Brit too,,,,,USA doesn't have a monopoly on loonies
@mark Findlay
White christian Americans also love to describe themselves as "god fearing," it is not an African phrase.
Callers like this make me sad.
Sad!?!? I love these callers! They are hilarious! There are a lot of people like this and when they get a platform they just put a spotlight on their stupidity. People on the fence listening will "learn" from this callers foolishness.
@Charels Ellis he is brainwashed, if he believes in a talking snake, then he might as well believe in spirits and ghosts. IF NOT. Jesus did not ascend back into heaven and lying in the tomb he was a man that decayed over time.
@ that kinda makes the whole atheist "movement" look REALLY bad.
@@giffordscanlon6503 5 years ago I would of agreed with you, but given the current atmosphere of this country it’s more scary now than entertainment...
@@brianwalendy3735 it's not our fault that boundless stupidity humours us.
I'm so grateful that I ran into this show.I have always questioned religion throughout my younger childhood when I would have to go to catholic bible school.I couldn't pinpoint why I felt that things that were being taught just didn't sit well with me but my intellect at the time just wasn't to the level that it is now so I would just fake it to just be done with the classes.
I would get ridiculed by others and in a sense atheist shaming( which was the weirdest thing because the teachings would say to love on another and have an open mind to listen)
What you guys do I know it can't be easy because I hear the callers with there acrobatic talks when it comes to proof and then having the nerve to still try to bash the questions you ask.Your patience is remarkable because I would bash my head on a wall with the circular talks some callers have. I'm just happy that I don't feel ashamed anymore for questioning religion and feeling okay saying that I don't know if there is a god because I haven't seen proof of that claim.
Thank you for what you all do.
"The Cumbrian Explosion"? What the hell happened in Northern England?
to be fair...a LOT of rock strata are named for the region they're first described in, particularly those studied early in the rise of the field of Geology. The first geologists were in England and so the Cambrian, the first location that strata was studied, was near Cambridge....it's also why there's epochs named Pennsylvanian, and Mississippian.... But his miss characterization of the Cambrian Explosion indicates he got his info from a YEC Creationist site...like AiG....
Tim Hyatt
Does that explain “Cumbrian”? I have no idea what YEC or AIG are, but I’d be surprised if Cumbria is mentioned on either.
it's an explanation in that the Cambrian, is named for a region....and the caller clearly either misremembered or mispronounced that...
YEC = young earth Creationism (a short term for that view point)
AiG = Answers in Genesis (a creationist apologetic site, so loaded with misinformations, misrepresentations and outright falsehoods as to be infamous for it....)
'Ow do?
Tim Hyatt sorry but you’re wrong. Cumbria is an area of North England, Cambria was the Roman word for Wales and is the namesake of the Cambrian era. It has nothing to do with Cambridge and I’m not sure where you got that from even.
So for him stupidity is preferable to knowledge.
YES
Nope.He understands knowledge is meaningless.Stupidity is thinking it has meaning.
Yup it he’s got a head start there .
Whenever a lay person says, “I’ve studied the matter extensively,” I roll my eyes. No, no you haven’t.
Feed him to Mat.
NO!.... that won't be nice
Or Jeff! (If only he were still appearing)
To Matt, this doofus would be an hor d'oeuvre.
Feed them all to Matt.
Matt looks like he could do with a meal.
An an Atheist allow me to give any Theists here an appreciation of my day to day thinking. I eat, sleep, work and play. Nothing else about the universe burdens me and I don't invest in anything that can't be substantially proven. Believe what you like, don't tell me what to believe because I simply won't care.
What do you like to play?
The mental gymnastics this guy was doing were quite amazing.
Stupidly Amazing
4:00 "so you don't believe that the world was made in 7 days"
I guess the caller isn't familiar with the Bible. According to the Bible,the Earth was made in 1 day. The universe, Earth, & the life on Earth was made in 6 days.God rested on the 7th day.
@Kali Southpaw "Genesis 1:5 “And the evening and the morning were the first day,”
If a day is an era, why are an evening and a morning even mentioned?
In any case, no matter how it is interpreted or argued,there is no reason to think that it is anything more than interpreting or arguing about fairy tales. It is on par with arguing who would win a duel between Gandalf and Merlin.
Some Xtians believe that the Earth is all there is, so they use the terms "Earth" and "Universe" interchangeably. This guy may be one of those.
@@eleSDSU l think.this guy is like many Christians of my acquaintance, who only have a hazy understanding of their own religion.
Love the way this caller is totally ignoring every answer given and then immediately veering wildly off topic to something unconnected.
I wonder if it is because he cannot or doesn’t want to understand.....see how he totally pretended not to hear the crack about the talking serpent until he thought of an “non-answer “ 🤨..... watched a bit more and I have decided he is just thick and cannot even understand what he himself is saying, because he is talking shite. Oh hell no... he didn’t just say. “I understand your point... but I don’t understand it”. Zeus on a bike !
Cognitive dissonance will fuck with anyone hardcore if one of the opposing points is indoctrinated. I assume the mind just shuts down thought as a result, which I feel is why he starts talking about unrelated shit almost immediately when his brain tries to process that.
The guy is not open to hearing opposing sides. Plus he just is stupid as hell.
doesn't want to.
talk talk talk, without listening.
this is how you sound being on high ;-)
My whole family is Christian. Logic just bounces off. I don't even try anymore. It's impossible.
I don't understand how you don't believe in my magical invisible sky daddy, it's common sense!!
... bro...
"knowledge is meaningless. talking snakes are real"-theist caller
To summarize this call:
Caller: "I'm really confused by the word 'standard' (of evidence)."
Host: "Well... Obviously..."
On behalf of all Londoners, I'm sorry
"i completely understand your perspective, i just dont understand it" 🤯
"For me knowledge is meaningless" sounds like it
Apologies from the UK. .... This one must have escaped, ...we'll have him back in his straight jacket soon! 😂
Caller seems like a troll to me, or perhaps it is just hard to believe that there are people who think as confused and muddled as he does. There must be a thick fog hanging in his brain.
I actually hope he was trolling because if not he has an learning disability
No sadly he was all too real. He was perfectly serious. What's more I don't doubt he got off the phone completely convinced he was the sage, wise knowledgeable one in the conversation.
I actually know people who think in a similar fashion, not as bad as this example was, although they also tend to not be religious.
In fact the way folk are dumbed down these days, the distinction between learning disability and merely not educated, or resistant to education has become blurred.
For some time learning has been seen by the young as not cool or upper class or posh, and many come to believe education and learning things is not necessary. Many cannot wait to leave school or college, so they don't have to learn. Then they imagine they will magically have some kind of skills or knowledge that an employer would be willing to pay them for.
Many imagine they will simply get more intelligent as they get older kind of automatically, with no effort, reading or learning.
We need to mend our education systems. For the working class majority of boys especially.
No. He is real. These people exist. Unfortunately! Sad.....
One thing that really stood out to me
“there’s no actual physical proof or evidence to suggest that, it’s just based on mathematical calculations”
“ I want to believe this so therefore I believe it so therefore it is true”
if knowledge is bad, this caller is very very good.
“I can completely understand your perspective and I don’t understand it, so that is why I’m trying to discuss.” 😂😂😂
That’s insanity
The "young earth" argument is a complete waste of time when you consider that young earthers ultimately admit that some things were created "with the appearance of age." If this is the case, then why not be consistent and accept that the earth appears to be 4.4 billion years old for this very reason? Why argue that the earth is 10,000 years old only to eventually concede that stars only appear to be billions of years old due to the "appearance of age"
Probably because they have not begun to consider that. They also seem to have been conditioned to try to not concede any ground. I don't think most see much past that, until half way committed to an argument or position.
Most of them have very little in the way of interest in actually understanding anything, and the only real reason and impetus comes from using it to attempt to prop up or bolster thier belief in a deity.
They often appear to merely assume they are every bit as educated and just as understanding of a subject or topic as everyone else is. After all, why not. They are after all just another intelligent human being, who has gone and done some research, so are on an equal playing field. Right? They assume.
They fail to realise that what they assume is research is really doing the very minimum possible, and could really only be called basic homework in the loosest fashion. They very often fail to recognise when someone who quite evidently, obviously, clearly knows thier subject and is patently highly educated and with breadth and depth of understanding few have. More often than not they either don't see it, or down't or won't recognise the fact. Embarrassingly continuing to bang on and on, all whilst being constantly corrected.
It is, or invariably becomes the very embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect, on Acid. Hyped up to a level of incorrigibility, and arrogant stubbornness only possible with years of indoctrination into a dogmatic ideology.
Intellectual honesty and integrity, actually knowing and more importantly understanding, all take a back seat in preference of preserving what they have been conditioned and coerced into accepting as thier belief.
Why not go all out and believe in Last-Tuesdayism? Everything was created last Tuesday but it has appearance of age! When i bring that up most people can't even object to such a ridiculous claim (history, memories, photographs, pyramids, anything really..), that should tell you all you need to know about their critical thinking skills.
The skill at self-delusion is almost impressive.
Just another guy purposely wasting time, either to hear it’s own voice or to disrupt real conversation.
Case in point..lol
That caller wasn't even listening to the answers
I'll spare you some time: all this man said repeatedly was "I don't know, therefor god". That's it.
That caller hurt by brain....
It´s so weird hearing someone who CAN´T believe someone doesn´t believe in some god.
It is so sad how they are trained to be super sceptical about science and never really question the absurd stories in their holy books.
“I don’t want to get into the debate of how we know something is true or false.”
5 seconds later
“How do you know Christianity is true or false.”
what language did the snake speak & how did this snake acquire vocal cords? let me guess - it was a mysterious holy miracle
C'mon, now. Snakes speak parseltongue.
This book said so!
I mean I can't answer that question, from a Theistic perspective, as a former Christian. The snake is either representative of Lucifer, or literally Lucifer in snake form, depending on how literal you take the story of Adam and Eve.
Plot twist: Eve was Harry Potter and she spoke parseltongue
"I'm really confused by the word - standard"
We know buddy, we know.
When the caller says he learned enough of the science of radiometer dating to be unconvinced, what he means is he read an article, found it conflicted with his beliefs, and decided it must be wrong.
The caller’s rubric for accepting knowledge is, does it agree with my preconceived notions?
It’s a wonder the caller has made it this far in life.
lol “for me, knowledge is meaningless...”
I don't think he understood One word you guys said.
I don't think he understood one word HE said!
I dont think they understood him.
That caller sounds lost beyond reason.
This caller is basically asking "I don't get why you guys aren't brainwashed too?"
Wow! He researched on Wikipedia. Give him a PhD and believe him immediately.
He's a troll you can hear him start to laugh.
Could be but more likely he was laughing out of nervousness. He sounded Nigerian. I did volunteer work there for 3 years in Nigeria.
Some Nigerian will laugh when they are frustrated or angry. It's a stress reaction.
John Morris He actually has a British accent, a lot of black people speak this way in London
@Gary Allen I have worked with a lot of Nigerians here in England, trust me when I say this guy has a regular British accent
Isn't it wonderful how smug theists are about their admitted ignorance? And that they think it's actually a good thing? I really love how Russell teased about having a million dollars, and Mark from London took him seriously, explaining his deep biblical insights into the million pounds (changed currency, but not important point). I was astounded the hosts tolerated Mark so long, whose indoctrinated ignorance makes him so confident. I nominate Mark for membership in the Dunning-Kruger club! (Look up Dunning-Kruger if this is not familiar.)
"Science doesn't convince me because there's not enough evidence.
What convinced me was a book with no evidence."
I would've asked the caller if he believes that Zeus or any of the other millions of gods are real living gods. Then I would go down the route of how he came to the conclusion that they aren't real, and only the one he chooses is real.
I find it interesting that everyone uses the same arguments to try and prove god.
There's no proof that religion is true.
The answer is "we do not know."
End of discussion.
"You have to find meaning in the noise..." I can't find any meaning in this caller's noise. He just makes my head hurt.
12:25 I absolutely love how the hosts summed up the caller's actions. The caller investigated something by selectively picking evidence and then deciding it was enough to justify his position, and stopped looking for anything further than that because someone could just keep looking for truth forever and not get to it. Literally hilarious.
On top of dense and indoctrinated, he's lazy. We might never be able to find Truth, but the more we strive for perfection, however out of reach it is, the better we are.
"Knowledge is meaningless" that's theists for you.
Just another mindless drone. Recommend restricting oxygen allowance.
@@r.j.9633 Your probably correct. I would endorse further restrictions. ;)
Let me sum up this whole call...
(Caller) "i prefer magic over scientific facts"
(Hosts) " like, whatever dude"
if you're having insomnia, listen to this guy
You should believe the Bible because it has soooooo many pages! 😂
That argument HAS been used by a caller.
And having High IQ is measured on how many tabs someone has open, remember?
@@PengwynLOB - That sounds like flat earther justification. If you look at a flat earther video, and they happen to show their computer screen, have a look at how many of those tabs are UA-cam pages. Seriously high IQ research.
This guy is so lost.
"science is far to far-fetched for me to believe, but the talking snake and invisible sky wizard is common sense" this might be the dumbest caller ever ngl
*Phil:* Oh dear.
*Me:* Understatement of the century, but also right on.
WOOOAH this caller is nuts! This is legitimately the kind of guy that would decapitate a women in the name of god.
"Of all the great inventions and discoveries that go to make human life easier, happier, more rich and glorious, not one can be laid to the work of theology. These triumphs all belong to science.... If man had no knowledge except what was got out of the Bible he would not know enough to make a shoe."
Lemuel K. Washburn
“The science is wrong I read on Wikipedia” LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Kind of disturbing to hear this guy use the word skeptical if an old book convinces him of truth.
Mark needs to look up the word "fact" in the dictionary.
He can’t because he can’t spell it !
Call screeners had the night off, hm?
Notice how Theists wants to question Atheists reasons for being Atheists, but gets triggered when confronted by the very same concept.
'Perspective' seems to be the new word the day on this guy's calendar. He hasn't yet figured out what the word means but he tries to use the word in whatever context he erroneously surmises that it might fit. 'If you understand information theory'... Wow. Mark is a wonderful example of the Dunning-Kruger effect - brightest guy in his living room.
It would have taken Matt about 5mins, to mop up the floor with this guy.