GlobalMan ......I have read the bible almost 3 times and it only strengthens my faith and belief in God....I am looking forward to my 4th read.....what a wonderful story of God's intense love for us!
Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense
Exactly!! Theu dont wanna believe in God that's on them they day whe m he is revealed I really wanna see what they say then. GOD IS REAL And these atheists I feel sorry for I have some atheist friends ex friends now they want no part of me they are the hardest ppl to talk to about christianity there way of thinking is such ignorance
@@Americanexotic14388 I can't wait till you meet my Holiest of Holy beings, Zalthar the Magnificent. You are going to be so sorry that you didn't devote your life to the almighty Zalthar, blessed be his name, you won't like what he does to filthy unbelievers.
@@Americanexotic14388 Why is it taking so long for him to be revealed? Why does it care if we believe in it or not if it doesn't want us to know it exists?
@Viktor Tandofsky That's not really a response to OPs question. The woman made a statement and then immediately agreed with the opposite of that statement. And if a Christian doesn't prove anything, then I'll just continue not believing in Yahweh.
And he found out - “what gets you in trouble isn’t what you don’t know - but what you know that just isn’t so” This was directly applicable to this false statement
@viktortandofsky6914 WAS "India has 2,000,000 gods, and worships them all. In religion, other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire." ― Mark Twain
@incredabill1 sadly she failed..don't bother convincing anyone...JESUS will appear in the sky and we will be full of joy while unbelievers and blasphemous will hide in the rocks and caves ( research dumbs) deep underground military bases
John 14: 21 He who has My (Jesus) commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me. John 21: 20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23 Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?” 24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true. 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written. Where can one start reading the Bible? John (4th Scripture of the New Testament) and/or Acts of the Apostles (5th Scripture of the New Testament)
Are you fucking kidding lol.. god sure did reveal himself to all these televised preachers telling them that everyone should continue going to church and this was the time to give everything you have. God said give, give, give. He will bless you and keep you safe and you will not suffer from this virus or any other pandemic. What freaks lol.
gaurav shetty Plus, you don’t think people should we sent to eternal damnation for not believing in Him. Wow, you’re more emphatic than the most enlightened and omnibenevolent being!
Religion is responsible for a lot of deaths, hard to pinpoint exactly but through time it could be up to 100m, hard to quantify how much damage people have done in the name of a lord they are yet to provide evidence of. People saying how do you get your morality it's easy don't be a sh*t c*nt. The caller is obviously having a lot of mental health issues and was the start of the trans agenda, they are seriously brainwashed, indoctrinated, has an extremely close mind, Mat was way more patient than I would've been.
B-b-but you took the Bible out of context ! It's a book all about love and acceptance, glorifying our perfect, sinless, can do not wrong cult leader Jesus Christ! You have to believe he was put on this earth to save you from all your sins, or else his father, Stalin in the sky, will cast you off to spend eternity in a hellish gulag, suffering brutal torture for aaaaall eternity.
@@raysalmon6566 No, he means atheists literally don't have to prove anything. Atheists aren't the ones making claims, they're the ones asking for evidence of the claims that religion makes -- which is currently none. While no evidence is given, there's no reason to accept any of the unsupported claims. Saying "I feel a certain way, therefore God exists" or asking for answers to profound questions does not suffice as evidence for all the insane claims that ancient stories tell.
All these Christians respond to Matt like this is the first time they've ever had someone present a logical argument to them. They all get so confounded by his pure rationalism.
@@trishayamada807 - you're right of course, but it's all the fault of christians and god. Because God refuses to reveal itself to everyone in such a way that they cannot deny its existence - and because the arguments for the existence of god that come from christians are so uniformly terrible and unconvincing, that is only ever going to lead to the hardening of hearts. It's unfair to blame the sceptical for the faults of faithful
Yeah, I've noticed this happening pretty regularly in these discussions. Matt will give a nice logical answer or explanation that is in stark contrast to the callers belief, who almost has no choice but to say "right" due to its logic, and then they still have to carry on with their now battered idea. It's actually pretty sad.
Billions, maybe even trillions, of stars, moons, suns, planets, that are inside of our Milky Way galaxy! There are billions of galaxies in the universe!!! This God is giving away childish, barbaric, and primitive commands!!! This is not the God of the universe!!! Maybe god that was created from the universe!!!!
same, my parents are like this, and i always think about how amazing it would’ve been to know them and their personalities without religion changing them
You can "see" by her breathing and pauses that she was experiencing extreme cognitive dissonance. I greatly empathize and am impressed by her strength to endure such stress.
My thoughts exactly. Some of these pauses had me gasp for air... holy cow that show is more exciting than any "bang-bang/fist fight/car chase rinse&repeat" movie out there! 😂
That wasn't cognitive dissonance. She knows God exists through personal experience. Cognitive dissonance is what you'll experience when I ask "how did you determine your particular non-theistic worldview is true?" Particularly when you realize you have nothing.
@@lightbeforethetunnelhow do you know that personal experience was actually God? Or are you basing it off faith? God said the devil can come as and angel of light so how do you know it wasn’t the devil? Or simply your imagination? Or the 100000 other reason it could have happened?
I have heard someone say that snakes COULD talk. Not only did I realize the conversation was over but I was actually a little sad that someone could hold that belief.
Jake West Not denying your experience, but your interpretation of it, for it is impossible to experience anything outside of, or after death of your brain. For anything immaterial about ourselves, like thoughts, memories, hallucinations, emotions, dreams etc etc atomic particles are needed to carry the information which make up these processes. Furthermore, if one would experience the psychedelic drug LSD or the absolute nr 1 DMT (AKA the spirit molecule) one will find it to dwarf any NDE by a gazillion, and can be self induced at any time.
@peet I don't even think you know how valid you are even though it was sarcasm. you are on to something that is still being suppressed till this day. its what the Jesus story is all about the kingdom is within = when you pray. You actually pray to that myself awareness which inbodies all flesh-n-blood and all living creatures and plant life on earth.
@@JonnieQuestsStars please keep helping the rest of the flesh n blood in this aspect of life which is much more meaningful and real . I myself is on the journey of scratching the surface and hopefully my kids reap the full benefits of this understanding of blending the two aspects of life together.
Jessie Hill I never felt more alive then the day I died. This seems to be ironic, however there is sooooooo much truth in this statement. It’s weird to think “this is it” and then in an instance have everything change...it is when Dorothy crosses over the rainbow, or when coralline finds the hidden door...as a matter of fact Hollywood is full of symbolism of the moment we die, and that’s from the non religious angle... But it’s not oxygen deprivation, it is not the drugs they give you, the near death experience is the first and only proof of something supernatural existing I have witnessed in my 40 years on earth, (unless you count hallucinogens which I believe do give you a glimpse). It was like MY storyboard was given to a greater author. This wasn’t a glimpse...this was something greater then earth...and I love our planet.
Aaliyah L How do you know that? Is that what your controlling genocidal “god” says? If “god” loved mankind he sure has a strange way of showing it. I bet he was looking down at auschwitz with complete love.
@Jane doe -- the god of the bible is the one that didn't want A+E to eat of the tree of KNOWLEDGE of what? Of GOOD and EVIL. Why would a good god NOT want A+E to know right from wrong!!??? Maybe HE is the Evil one? Also, count the dead bodies by both. How many people did satan kill? I think it was about 10. How many did the god of the bible Kill? Except for the people on the the Arc, he Kills the rest of the Entire world Population!!!!! Who is the EVIL one!??
@Mr111mac111 -- Yeah....let's see what people do with that knowledge........With that Knowledge many diseases that used to be Deadly have been CURED! How many diseases have been cured by gods? With that Knowledge people can live past 100 years when at one point Humans were lucky to live to see 30! How Evil of us,....right?? With that Knowledge we now have Luxuries that the Kings of the past could only Dream of! With that Knowledge that PC and Internet you are using has made it possible for you to be on here right now. If Knowledge is such a terrible thing, why not follow the bibles literally and be Amish?? HHMMMMM???? Remember, "one cannot serve two masters".......You obviously choose Knowledge/Tech which is Science over your god. Remember, he is kinda....sorta.....Jealous....
@Mr111mac111 are you really arguing that we shouldn't have knowledge? That somehow having knowledge is bad because "look what having knowledge has gotten us? You seem to embrace stupidity and that is what you get when you believe the bible. What an idiot
@@MasterSpade I think I'm correct in saying that the devil or Satan kills 10 people in the bible and their god kills (excluding the flood) 2.5m people. As you say which one is the evil one? It always amuses me the way they try and justify each and every death and yet still come to the conclusion that satan is the baddie!
You can hear the exasperation in her breath, knowing she has to agree with Matt's point or else she would be wrong or contradict herself. Why be a christian at that point
@Ares First sentence correct.Can you perceive life like that and the ramifications?Second sentence god does not want,it does not have a will,its not limited to time/space .
@@ericscaillet2232 You torturer worshipers have an excuse for everything. You have excuses for why prayer doesn't always work in the positive to accomplish the impossible, as your demigod promised. You have excuses for why the world didn't end in 50 A.D. as your demigod promised, and you have excuses for why the being you admire and worship would be the most evil being in existence if it were real.
It's heartbreaking to recognize, people like Tara have been tied into knots and twisted into buying a magical story. No one ever wants to believe they've been conned.
I know right, but despite how painful it was, I did honestly tell myself: you’ve been a moron, all this time, even if you got your masters, read numerous books etc and yet only 1 of this books, the most illogical one, made me such a moron
Because when it comes to religion, you have to face that you were conned by your parents and they were conned by theirs. That’s why I also have issues with Sinterklaas/Santa Claus.
@@Thefamilychannel723 wait… wait… what are you trying to say about Santa? Santa is a totally different thing. I mean, _how do all the presents get there?_ Santa is def real. …right??
@@Thefamilychannel723 exactly same thing with the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, santa claus ( as you've mentioned ) and various other lies to keep their children in line beacuse they can't be bothered to parent properly and gawd is the biggest lie ever told
it's kinda beautiful to watch someone question their religion like this. you can tell this lady is conflicted and anxious. the best experience of my life was giving up religion
I "studied" all kinds of beliefs as young, I had my countrys head-library next door. All beliefs had a few things in common, Control, oppression, Scare-tactic and MONEY, just to name a few. As I live in a REAL country, with TOTAL FREEDOM to believe or not believe what ever I want, with NO pressure of Any kind, I do feel sorry for YOU. And your countrys Hard Propaganda of "the "free" world, which is A BIG LIE !. Even if there is NO PERFECT PLACE ! ! I prefer to live in REALITY ! ! . Reality sucks some time, and other times it is good. Still there are NOTHING good with "giving your life to some " sky daddy with his entourage of ghosts and fucked-up assorted spirits". At the end of the day, we are still living in the REAL PHYSICAL WORLD, with all the good and bad that it provides us ! Fairy-Tales was fun up to the age of 3 or 4, but NOT as any "how to live" your adult life. I try to understand it is hard to let go of your "security-blanket" but REALITY IS REAL and HERE but Fairy-Tales are just...... Fairy-Tales ! ! . Live your life, WITHOUT man-made drugs. I am NOT afraid of being exposed, that is why I always use my REAL name, opposed to MANY of those FOLLOWER FISHING SCAMMERS ! Take Care; Ralf ....................
The Garden of Eden: Why does God send a powerful, shapeshifting, disgruntled ex employee to the place where his children live? Then blame the children for being deceived by a superior being. That's just poor leadership.
I always love how believers can't wrap their head around the notion that their all powerful god should be able to create free will WITHOUT sin, evil, and death being necessary to make free will work...they just can't fathom that their god could/should/would do just that...for them free will can ONLY exist if evil and eternal hell also exist. That's because evil DOES exist and they have to reconcile that somehow so they ignore logic. If they could think for themselves for one second they'd understand how absurd the biblical myth is...and that the bible shows their god is NOT all powerful and actually doesn't exist
@@sherribh6106 Kinda missing the point. If god didn't want Adam & Eve eating from the Tree of Knowledge (presumably because he was worried they would know good from evil and someday rival him in power, so he commands them not to), then why place Adam & Eve in the same garden with the tree? Or why not place the tree as far away from them as geologically possible? I mean...it seems a bit of a dummy move to forbid a person from eating pasta and then place them in an Italian restaurant...
@@sherribh6106 and? They were created without sin, without the ability to understand good and evil...HOW could they then sin? Hmm? HOW? They couldn't...it's not possible. The biblical theory of god is beyond stupid and illogical
Yes...especially a religion whose dogma looks down on her group and has no use for gays/trans other than cannon fodder. Really sad. In China they would say that this woman is "doing accounts for the person who had just sold her as a slave."
Being trans myself and surrounded by religious people who actively attempt to take away my rights, talk horribly about me and people like me saying how disgusting we are and worse, I truly do not understand how she can defend and buy into the same thing those people believe.
We love to be "contradictory", like that makes us more interesting, like "oh you thought just because I'm trans it doesn't make sense for me to be a christian but I'm so much more complex than that". Not particularly about this woman or being trans and a christian but yeah.
Golly jeepers yes. 2000 years is a really long time. A really really long time. You know, it’s like approaches some part of 1% of the known history of the earth. That’s a really long time. Believe me.
@@Arkloyd Yes, I think it’s important that we atheists always assume the worst about others, assume maximum levels of stupidity. That way, we can ensure our continued smugness and feeling of superiority. It’s also highly moral, as we know, to mock others and assume the worst about them. Good plan.
I actually feel really sorry for this caller. I had enough issues of my own coming out as gay, being disowned by my family and having to start a life with everything I could manage to fit in my car.. I cannot begin to imagine how much more difficult it is for a transwoman, I understand she needs something to grasp hold of, shes sadly found probably the worst system to support her.
It is sad but I understand why she’d want to grasp to something. I had a lesbian friend who tried getting me to be LDS, I said absolutely not (grandparents were), I went once to an event to be nice. Two years later I’d when they dropped the “disown anyone even your own family and children if they are gay and practicing or not wanting to change.” Very sad to see.
This was a great call. Tara was honest and thoughtful, and sounds like a really nice person. I hope she is doing well and has thought about this conversation a lot since then.
@@gianthills let me know when you can ask a question that is meaningful. The old hackneyed, "how does life come from nothing" has become the most debunked and least interesting question amateur and dishonest apologists wheel out. It's not worth going into, but if you want to, I can go through why it's a stupid question (and yes, there are stupid questions, this is one of the more stupider ones).
@@smequals ALl those words you sent me, yet it was all a dodge, a nothing burger. You guys have big mouths, no answers. if debunked, answer it. i've just debunked YOU, pal.
@@gianthills wow, ok. If that's how you want to be, that's fine. It sounds like you are more interested in thinking you won arguments than knowing what is true. That's up to you. And it's fine. I am not trying to change your mind or even educate you on this. But since you started the exchange, the least I can do is tell you the score. And no, you didn't debunk squat. But that's fine, you're going to believe what you want anyway. So here it goes. First of all, the "life comes from nothing" trope that the apologists like to trot out is a strawman. Find an atheist, or an agnostic, or really anyone, who even claims that, and discuss it with them. I don't believe that. It's not part of my worldview. It's not something that is inherently atheistic, or agnostic, or anything. It is simply a strawman argument that has no basis in reality. It's the most ignorant attempt of a "gotcha" that apologists seem to have. And it doesn't work. On that basis alone, I don't need to explain it at all, as I don't hold that position. My position regarding where life comes from is simply, "I don't know." Which is the only honest answer. You don't know either. You might claim to know, but you don't. And I know that for a fact because you don't have evidence to support the position of you knowing. You can try, and I'd love to hear it. But I am quite certain you don't. I certainly don't believe you do, anyway, so feel free to tackle that in your spare time. Now, it seems to me that if you are a theist (and I am assuming you are by this conversation), you are likely to believe that god created life. Ok, that's fine. I don't believe that, and until you demonstrate and provide sufficient evidence for your god's existence, I'm not going to believe your claim. So you are the one with the burden of proof and the heavy lifting that ensues. Feel free to provide that. I would also add that if you do end up providing suitable evidence for the existence of your god, and the suitable evidence that your god actually created something, then that begs a couple of questions. First, what did god create life (or everything if you want to go there) out of? Was it nothing? If it was nothing, then it seems you, and not me, are making the claim that life came from nothing. If you are able to answer that sufficiently, then of course we really need to ask what god came from. Was it nothing, or was it something? If it was nothing, then we're back to you believing something came from nothing. If it was something, then what was it? And now you have the infinite regress problem, don't you? And once you get there, you realize the entire notion is just ridiculous. It's not comprehensible with what we know, and it's rather irrelevant anyway. "I don't know" becomes the most honest answer. I said it was irrelevant because why do I care where life came from? I have a short amount of time to live, and so do you. I am more concerned with living the best life I can right now, and not worry about post-life or life unseen. I am not a scientist, so how life came to be is not important to me. It's not part of my world view, it does not impact me in the slightest. And I am certainly not going to insert an indemonstrable god into the gap of my understanding because I am uncomfortable with not knowing something. Maybe you are insecure or arrogant enough to do that, but I'm not. I am humble enough to admit that I don't know something. Also notice that I didn't get into the definition of "nothing". That's an important point too. When you say "nothing", what does that really mean? I actually don't care, because I find the crossroad of scientific nothing and philosophical nothing to be an inane and banal discussion. Argue that with someone who cares. Also notice that I kept the god as a lower case, and a non-specific god. I am virtually certain that you believe in a very specific god being the one that created life, and stuff, however he did that. If you can't demonstrate any god exists, which I doubt you can't, then trying to demonstrate a specific god's existence is not going to happen. So, make sure when you reply you keep that in mind, because I'm not interested in the specific god you believe in. Demonstrate any god's existence first. Anyway, I've gone way beyond your initial statement, which was a dumb statement in the first place. I suggest you stop using that lame, debunked, waste of time weak-ass argument and come up with something better if you are going to be taken seriously. Thanks for reading.
@@smequals The position "I don't know", isn't actually a position, nor is it actually true about atheists. It's a way to avoid debate while forcing theists to provide proof. It's a game I see over and over. You're position can't simply be arbitrary while demanding that others provide proof . Atheists do have a position yet pretend not to have one because defending it is a non starter. I'll explain further. You and others want proof of God that they deem acceptable, a level of evidence that meets their subjective standards. Fine. Yet, here's where we discover that they are intellectually dishonest. If, by their own admission, they would believe in a creator if presented with sufficient evidence, this tells us that they themselves have an idea of what kind of evidence would qualify, right? Yet, atheists refuse to answer that question. If they do not even know what evidence would qualify as proof, they cannot claim that no proof exists because they wouldn't recognize it even if it did exist. Its a circular nightmare that atheists have been conditioned to accept as logic. The idea of something from nothing isn't a gatcha at at all. God having created everything isn't something from nothing, here's why. If God is the energy source of all life, life then came from that source, not nothing. However, without that creative source of energy, you do have nothing, yet you think that life can just appear without that primary source of creation. Simply calling God "nothing", is a word game, not based in logic.
@J J My best advice is try to watch as many Atheist Experience videos you can on UA-cam and try to listen to Seth Andrews podcasts for pleasure. Both will help you come to realize that religion is a bunch of man made bulls**t and the world is an amazing place with no need to invent supernatural crap. It is gonna be hard if you have been indoctrinated but you can do it! The internet can help show the dishonesty that religious people have. My advice is to stay away from the pastor, odds are he doesn't know s**t! You are on the right path so keep it up.
@Smokey 420 😂😂😂Jesus is and never was a god or the God. Some one born with a human mother and egomaniac genocidel God as as farther would be a demi God just like Hercules .
@Smokey 420 ye sure in ya dreams . So called God demands that you love him ,that you follow you him with out question . Comits genocide incites genocide ,incest .
I can't believe I spent 30 + years praying to something that didn't even exist. And to think the whole time I was really just talking to myself is just something I've become very ashamed of.
@@bunsenn5064 It's ok for you to sound out your feelings and turn them into words but I really do recommend a therapist if you want someone else to not only listen but to help you actually turn those words into action
As a trans woman myself I want to compliment Matt on how he handled this. He made it clear he has nothing against trans people but didn't start treating the caller with kid gloves. Well done. Also I find it funny if any trans person claims things are getting worse. Just few decades ago almost no place was safe for us but now we are getting general acceptance. Apart from the environment, things are getting much better.
Are you aware of how much childhood indoctrination our society has for atheistic positions like Materialism, Empiricism, Moral Relativism, Heliocentrism, Evolutionism, etc?
@@lightbeforethetunnel "Indoctrination" refers to the enstilling of "doctrine" in people. That is church dogma, not backed up by evidence. Those other things you mention are not indoctrination, do not have dogma, and are backed by evidence. See the difference?
@@johnsperry9494 How are you concluding those other things I mentioned do not have dogma? People can be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology. People can be dogmatic aboht any position about any topic beyond the limits of what science can directly verify. Materialism, for example, is the universal claim that the material is ALL that exists. Why would it be impossible for people to be dogmatic about this? Anyone who blindly believes this, without justification, and yet defends it against all scrutiny, would be dogmatic about it. The vast majority of atheists I debate are EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism. And they can't give any rational justification for why they affirm Materialism over any other metaphysical theory. They can only give fallacies, along with pseudoskepticism about competing metaphysical theories. Same with Empiricism - the belief that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified. The majority of atheists I debate are very dogmatic about this, as well. They presuppose it to be the true Epistemology, without a rational justification for why it's true. And they completely ignore the fact it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with one sentence: The philosophical claim "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified ITSELF. That demonstrates Empiricism is self-refuting and necessarily false. It's non-negotiable because it necessarily follows logically. And they flat out just IGNORE this, without giving a counter-rebuttal. That is extreme dogmatic zealotry for Empiricism. I could do this for all of the positions I listed.
@@johnsperry9494 How are you concluding those other things I mentioned do not have dogma? People can be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology. People can be dogmatic aboht any position about any topic beyond the limits of what science can directly verify. Materialism, for example, is the universal claim that the material is ALL that exists. Why would it be impossible for people to be dogmatic about this? Anyone who blindly believes this, without justification, and yet defends it against all scrutiny, would be dogmatic about it. The vast majority of atheists I debate are EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism. And they can't give any rational justification for why they affirm Materialism over any other metaphysical theory. They can only give fallacies, along with pseudoskepticism about competing metaphysical theories. Same with Empiricism - the belief that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified. The majority of atheists I debate are very dogmatic about this, as well. They presuppose it to be the true Epistemology, without a rational justification for why it's true. And they completely ignore the fact it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with one sentence: The philosophical claim "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified ITSELF. That demonstrates Empiricism is self-refuting and necessarily false. It's non-negotiable because it necessarily follows logically. And they flat out just IGNORE this, without giving a counter-rebuttal. That is extreme dogmatic zealotry for Empiricism. I could do this for all of the positions I listed.
@@johnsperry9494 Definition of doctrine: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group Why would the positions I listed not qualify? It is possible to be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology. Heck, virtually every atheist I debate is EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism, Empiricism, etc. Empiricism, for example, is the philosophical position that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified. The majority of atheists I debate believe this is true, without any rational justification for how they determined it's true. But worse, they IGNORE the fact that it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with a single sentence. I'll show you: *The philosophical claim that "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified itself* There. That demonstrates it's self-refuting. And all self-refuting claims are false by necessity. Yet, the majority of atheists just IGNORE this completely and continue presupposing Empiricism is true without even having a rational justification for why it's true to begin with. And while ignoring the refutation. And they also engage in irrational pseudoskepticism to dismiss any demonstration that a competing Epistemology is actually true in place of Empiricism. It's not really possible to be more dogmatic than that. And I could do the same for all the other positions I listed. All of them.
*Caller* "I believe the sky is red, because the book says it's red" *Host* "It's blue and I can prove it's blue, and why it's blue" *Caller* "Well you see gaaaawd hasn't revealed it to be red to everyone" *Host* "Oh for f#%* sake \(^•^)/ you're a f#%*ing idiot, thanks for calling"
This lady is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I love how she failed to identify as such, but my mother raised me in that cult. Certain phrases are a giveaway. "This system". "The 144,000", etc.
@@Anastasia2048 An interesting idea I came across is that their proselytizing techniques are deliberately calibrated to be off-putting and annoying because the goal is not to convert, but reaffirm the missionary's belief that they will only be safe and accepted in their little enclave, among the vast heaving seas of heathens.
@@thomaskearney5974 Yo, don't be an arse disrespecting her like that. Bloody hell, I'm surprised you didn't add "it" to that insulting string of pronouns, just to be that much more of a douche-bag.
I was brought up in a christian household. When I was a kid, like between the age of 4 and 9 I didn't think anything of it. I enjoyed going to church, all the playgroups, some festivities etc. But I always remember, during times the pastor would preach, tell fables or read from the bible, it just never stuck. I never felt anything, in fact I used to just want to go to sleep. It was boring, then as I got older between 9 and 12 it really started to grate on me. Remember I was brought up at that point by a devout christian, the kind where he would beat the living shit out of you if you said jesus christ in anger or shock. I just didn't get it. Thankfully my mum left him and it all fizzled out. Anyway, after my grandmother died when I was around 23. I remember sitting in her house with my old man, uncle and cousin and the inevitable discussion arose. I shared my experience of how it must never connected with me, I never understood it, I never felt it. It all seemed ridiculous. I said I felt I had agency for my own actions and only I can make a difference in my life god has never revealed himself to me, if god made me, and knows me why would he not give me that courtesy and save me from hell? I was given a promise. "Come to the prayer meeting this Friday, I can promise you, jesus will reveal himself" I went. Can you guess what happened? Absolutely fuck all. I felt nothing and was acutely aware of standing in a room full of roasters, proclaiming that walking to the pastor for him to pray for me would heal my problems. That was the last time I saw that side of my family and that was around 14 years ago. It never sat right with me that god allegedly revealed himself to these people but left me out in the cold. Then i realised that these people want it to be true so much they probably confuse their own monologue or reality with god. They make it happen. That's some bull shit right there.
Pretty much my experience as well. Church was just that boring place we had to get up early to go waste all Sunday morning at. Literally nothing stuck for me. And when I was finally old enough to start questioning why I was being forced to do this thing my newfound attention did not work in religion's favor. Quite the opposite -- I started actually listening to the drivel being spouted and immediately turned the other direction and started running.
@@damianedwards2327 This is utterly fatuous. One could just as easily say "God is the existence of Hate. Everybody believes Hate exists" (or Hunger, or Jealousy, or Lust, or Constipation, etc, etc, ad infinitum) and it would make exactly as much sense (i.e. zero). Claiming "God" is a nebulous emotional state is an evasion, not a definition.
I like to believe that there is an Atheist experience show in an alternate universe where Don and Matt argue against those who believe in the existence of Cromulons and The One True Morty.
Bill "Hey Sir, I've got some good news. You need to give me all the money in your wallet, your car keys and your phone!" Mike "What? Why? Is this a robbery!?" Bill "No, no sir. You misunderstand. You see, you have won the lottery and don't need these things, so you can give them away" Mike "The lottery? Really.. how do you know? I don't even know you. I should go home and check my ticket" Bill "I just know. I have faith.. So, please give away your stuff" Mike "Eh? Faith? I'm not giving you my things because you say so.." Bill "But I have evidence.. You see those advertisement boards up there for cola. It's my interpretation from reading them that you have won the lottery." Mike "What are you talking about? That's not evidence!" Bill "Of course it is! There are thousands of advertisement boards up and down the country!" Mike "But that doesn't say I've won the lottery.. It talks about vacuum cleaners. Cars. Cola..." Bill "Exactly! Don't you see? It's a sign.. have faith!" Mike "I don't see that.. It's not evidence at all." Bill "Well what is it then!? Thousands of people have seen these signs and they're real dammit.. It's my interpretation.." Mike "Goodbye.." Bill "Well.. you are going to be sorry when you check your ticket and find out I was right!"
Tara from NJ: "It's not our job as Christians to prove things, (Which includes our belief) we're here to plant seeds Matt: Actually, it's your job to give a reason for the faith that you have, so it is your job to prove things. (1st Peter 3:15) Tara for NJ: Right exactly! 🙄
"I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone else but I do feel compelled to 'spread the good news'." Gotta love that self-contradictory Christian rhetoric meant to make you feel good about your own flaws, eh?
It wasn't that long ago that the next step taken when someone doesn't buy your fairy tale was to torture them until they told you they believed, or you killed them.
It's beautiful being a devout atheist. There is no "problem of evil" and no issue of "free will " and no "objective morality." Just us animals doing what is. Matt is on FIRE at the end of this video!
BRAVO FOR HER!!!! It takes a lot to acknowledge humility and question the faith she thought she knew!!!! Instead of counter arguing, she listens and questions the other side honestly and inquisitively. GOOD FOR HER
I assume you mean the altruistic desire to improve general awareness. But even if his motive were to make a couple of bucks by espousing atheism, I don't have a problem with it.
@Melanin Warrior So you suggest identifying as trans is like religion? Well that is a strawman argument for a start. If you have to call something a religion when it is not, just makes it seem you have no real arguments. Take homeopathy, it is silly nonsense but to call it religion would be a strawman. As for your DNA argument, I suggest you look up something called Swyer syndrome. And after you have done that, tell me if you consider someone with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman.
Well, not every mind. With the realization that the faithful can be convinced of the most unrealistic of concepts only strengthens my resolve to yoke the labor of the religious!! Normal people should never have to clean toilets or be garbage men, so long as there are the Faithful, that can be instructed- thou shall collect garbage from sun-up till sundown on the Sabbath, it is gods will, it is written, therefore it shall be.... When any old janitor cleans a toilet, it might be done to satisfaction; when a believer, who believes that cleaning toilets earns them their seat at the right hand of the father, you better believe that they’d clean that commode like they expect jesus himself to take a dump in it! We wouldn’t even have to pay them; but we would still require 10%- god need$ your paper money
"Why God Reveals Himself to Some & Not Others " I always thought this was easy. Some people have an uncanny inability to distinguish fantasy from reality.
This is exactly how I sounded like this women over the mic when I debated my friends about religion being real or not and they talked to me about science, evolution and reason. I didn't like it but at the same time my friends points made so much more sense to me then a book that tells me how to live my life and what to believe. I am glad I had those conversations with my friends because it made me think a lot about what I believed in and one day I chose to become an Atheist and it was one of the best decisions of my life.
That was indeed sad. I'm left at something of a loss to understand how someone can think in such a fashion. Though she is not alone. One must almost need to convince oneself of shit, when one actually knows one doesn't reasonably have warrant for such a conviction. Such wilful, wishful thinking and desperate clinging to faith for at least some weak half arsed justification really strikes me as sad for adults to indulge in.
I was in high school when it finally hit me full in the face that the Bible is just a book of mythology. I had been reading Greek and Roman mythology and it dawned on me that some of these stories were the same as or similar to stories in the Bible. Blew my mind. I don’t give a crap what ppl believe. If it makes u happy and a better person and u hurt no one, go for it. But from what I’ve seen most religions do hurt ppl. On many different levels. So judgmental, so hateful and intolerant. It really disgusts me.
Not just hurt people. Directly hurt civilization and humanity. I am from spain. My country was former at 15 century because 2 kingdoms joined and founded the Kingdom of Spain. That 15 century was the start of Modern Era. Politics, comerce, fredoms, sovereignity, knowledge, freedom to think, speach etc... We had a beutiful and development civilization during Roman Empire that eas destroyed by the Catholic Church and mad the world froze since 500 to 1492. 1000 long years of basicly slavery, fear, knowledge forbiden and kidnaped by the chuch etc... IDK how America, a young and libertarian country bought that. Was a good busines and move from the Condervatives and the RP. It is funny. USA is such a young country that they don't understand that the USA belong to post Religion wolrd. They think that America was founded in religion They didn't read the FF.
"Let us read the Bible without the ill-fitting colored spectacles of theology, just as we read other books, using our own judgement and reason, listening to the voice within, not to the noisy babel without. Most of us possess discriminating reasoning powers. Can we use them or must we be fed by others like babies?" Luther Burbank
This is a particularly troubling call because Tara seems like she has thought about this intelligently, but her answers are still fluidly moving the goalposts to cover every possible scenario.
"It is our duty to expose the Bible. We must continue to tell the truth about the Bible. We must continue to enlighten the people. And if after the true facts are known, there are some who still insist the Bible is good enough for them, they are welcome to it." Joseph Lewis
When I was 5 or 6 years old, my parents gave me books about Aesop’s fables, Mother Goose stories, Fairy tales, etc., and almost all of those stories had talking animals. I asked my Dad if animals can really talk, and he told me that it was make-believe (which I later labeled Suspended disbelief). I put those books on my make-believe shelf, along with Mickey Mouse, Peter Rabbit, and Winnie the Pooh. One day my well-meaning but deluded Presbyterian grandmother gave me a book of Bible stories for children. In the very first story, I found a talking snake. That book went straight to the make-believe shelf, where it has remained for over 65 years.
Funny isn’t it? This all powerful, all loving God could literally come down at any moment and show everyone the correct interpretation of his holy book if he cared about ppl knowing the truth. Yet you have soooooo many disagreeing Christians on what is the correct interpretation and logically, they all can’t be right. God could fix this if he exists.
A lot of atheist would also not praise God if he did come down and set all this straight (which he really should since none of his followers seem to be able to agree). Quite frankly the guy seems like an asshole to me and he has some serious questions to answer before I would even consider “following” him.
@LuthAMF You didn't even ask a question other than the guy comment😂. You asked if the guy referred to god, which yes since he's depicted as a guy (he is in the Catholic church at least, which is what I'm referring to). If you don't want to use the Catholic church as the basis of what gods gender is then, I'll gladly call god they when talking to religious people. Still, I think a lot of people would have issues with that since they're the same ones who get upset about actual people (you know people on Earth who actually can speak to everyone and express what their gender is) using they/them pronouns. If that's your simple question, I think you have other issues. Also, I question if you understand how sentences work since you added enough question marks that I wonder if the key got stuck. Then you say my explanation is bad because you decided it is, and that's it. Nothing else said. In most productive conversations, you'd give a reason why an explanation is bad. Since you didn't, I assume you don't understand how a productive conversation works. When my friend does something I don't agree with, I don't tell them bad and nothing else. You'd have 0 friends if you did that because more is needed in the conversation, or you come across as an asshole. It seems to me like you don't like hearing people say bad things about your religion and can't give reasons why they're wrong. Then your last comment I assume is supposed to be condescending, but it's just rephrasing my words. Okay? Wow really got me there (this is sarcasm, and I'm putting this in since I'm not confident you would get that and think I'm actually serious). Personally, I'm still chuckling that when I see your username, I keep thinking it's a nickname for Lucifer. I mean, it sounds badass, and I think if the Lucifer show hasn't already given him a nickname, I just found him one.
Tara has a two second attention span. Another humble christian, best buds with the all-powerful creator of the universe. He always has time to guide Tara no matter how busy his schedule. No ego mania there..
This was really good, and very necessary. I think Christians should listen to this one in particular and consider it seriously. Matt really lays out the arguments well, and Tara considers them honestly.
I am so thankful that my parents supported me when I decided to be the littlest atheist on the block when I was maybe seven or eight years old. Somebody told me about God and creation and it just didnt make any sense to me. When I lost a tooth, I wired my room up with thread and taped it to my little radio's volume knob, so when Mom came in to put a dollar under my pillow, my radio started blasting away. She laughed and just handed me the dollar and said "Oh, you already knew!" After I found out the tooth fairy and Santa were bullshit, it wasn't much of a leap to decide that Jesus is Santa for adults. I was a pretty hard-headed and logical little kid. Dad likes to tell the story of how when I was really little he was telling me about how some animals like owls and foxes are nocturnal... He said I got a weird look on my face and said "Dad, is Santa nocturnal?" He just busted out laughing. "Yeah...I guess he must be!"
I certainly couldn’t. When she starts going on about this whole ‘Satan trying to discredit gods rule etc etc’ thing, I’m bemused I’m hearing an adult arguing this as a serious point in the second decade of the 21st century. It gets worse, she’s going on about angels now, and not as a bloody metaphor.
I like Tara, much more so than most others interviewed on this show. Tara at least admitted when she had a flawed point rather than just reiterating the same rhetoric over and over again. Sure, her points were invalid, but I appreciate her attitude on the show!
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg
@@Barelo Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal If you think that is BS then you've clearly never studied christian history. So I suggest you do before making crass comments.
Every time I listen to the Garden of Eden story, I become ever more convinced that Satan was the goodguy all along; the unsung hero. By contrast, Yahweh is just an evil bastard; the true villain of the story.
I had a lengthy debate with a Christian on exactly this topic, my contention being that the serpent - which, since I was sticking _strictly_ to scripture, was an animal, not (as the Christian claimed) Satan - told Adam and Eve nothing but the truth while God lied his arse off every step of the way. Why is it that the so-called "good" god tells lies and it's left to some random animal to tell the truth?
I get the same feeling. If you read it from a non biased point of view YHWH seems like an evil dictator and the Israelites are his enforcers/playthings. Genesis makes it seem like YHWH created humans to be his unthinking naked little pets, and the serpent is trying to give them free will.
My first foray into questioning my religion was at the age of 5 when my grandmother explained the story of lucifers fall. I was incredibly sad for him and told her that I didn’t think it was fair. Yep, that earned me her fury and sent me on a long and winding road to atheism. Peace
"God only reveals himself to some and not others but good news he's going going to reveal himself to everyone soon once everything gets better" why it would be so much more effective to reveal yourself to people in hard times
"Even if the god of the bible were to come down and demonstrate to me right now that he was real, he would still have a lot to answer for before I could ever respect him" - Matt Dillahunty A god of the universe would have a lot to answer for before I would respect it.
@Syn Cloud God might take a bribe to get me a good judgement? Afterall that must be how religious people who make $millions from conning people will be judged favourably. E.g. evangelicals, christians, LDS, scientology, catholics, protestants, islam etc
Just realised, as I was listening to her, that she’s a Jehovah’s Witness. Her beliefs are perfectly in line with JW doctrine. I am a JW too (though a closet-atheist). What I would’ve loved for them to explore in this discussion is how can she justify that “God is love” when he permits an evil being to subject humanity to the worst kinds of suffering and torment SIMPLY BECAUSE he wants to hold on to his right as the sovereign ruler and to clear up his name of Satanic accusations. These seem like very trivial reasons to allow someone’s suffering... Imagine a father whose authority and the way he exerts it upon his children gets challenged. HE KNOWS that the challenger will then ensue abusing, beating, raping and killing his children. The father allows that to happen, though, on the grounds that this will prove how “wonderful” a father he is in comparison with this evil tormenter. Wouldn’t that prove the opposite? Even if I was a rebellious kid, but later found out that my father REFUSED to allow my suffering EVEN AT THE COST of his reputation being ruined and his authority being taken away, I would change my mind about him and see that he truly is a loving father, who’d rather live with a ruined reputation than to allow his son to suffer. If my father would allow me to suffer for the TRIVIAL reason of wanting to protect his reputation and authority, I wouldn’t want to know him!!! Yet Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that their god is “love”, even though he allows their suffering for something as trivial as a few accusations... in addition to that, he tells us that we must see our suffering as a privilege, because if we endure it faithfully we prove Satan a liar. Imagine that... Imagine the father I mentioned earlier telling me that I should see my suffering at the hands of the man who’s raping me as a privilege, because by enduring it I get to have a share in the sanctification of God’s name (reputation really) and proving that he’s the real father... F*** Jehovah! How did king Solomon recognise the REAL mother in the famous biblical story about the two women who claimed to be the mother of a baby boy? He recognised her because she REFUSED to let her child be harmed just to prove that she’s correct and to hold on to her right as the baby’s mother. She’d rather LOSE her right as the baby’s mother than to consciously allow it to be harmed. THAT’s HOW SOLOMON RECOGNISED HER TO BE THE REAL MOTHER! (Even though there’s plenty wrong with this story itself, but that aside). Yet when Jehovah basically goes on to doing the exact OPPOSITE of what that mother did, namely PERMITTING his children to be harmed just to prove a point, we still call that “love”... Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in one of the most wicked imaginary gods out there... I am on my way out very soon, just figuring out what would be the best way to do it...
Hope it goes well. I was raised as a JW also but my mom wasn’t so keen to follow the congregation because of the policy with shunning outsiders. On my 18 birthday I told her I didn’t believe in god and didn’t want to be a JW anymore. 2 years later I took on the label of atheist. Its a long journey be safe
As Robert G. Ingersoll said:
"Atheism is what happens when you read the bible. Christianity is what happens when somebody else reads it for you."
GlobalMan ......I have read the bible almost 3 times and it only strengthens my faith and belief in God....I am looking forward to my 4th read.....what a wonderful story of God's intense love for us!
@@jmdsservantofgod8405 then you didn't pay very close attention.
Graeme, you're the one claiming to know the secrets of the universe. The goldfish analogy fits you, not us.
Atheism
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
Makes perfect sense
@@graemel3069 Sounds like you have a clear clue about what is outside. Please enlighten us.
Adam blamed Eve----Eve blamed the serpent---and the serpent didn't have a leg to stand on.
Alright I'll be real I laughed at this the moment I saw it XD
😂 😂😂
This is too funny 🤣
I agree but cant like as its 69 and i wont change that.
I see what you did there
Woman: it's not us Christians' jobs to prove anything
Host: yes it is
Woman: exactly
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Viktor Tandofsky
How sad.
Exactly!! Theu dont wanna believe in God that's on them they day whe m he is revealed I really wanna see what they say then. GOD IS REAL And these atheists I feel sorry for I have some atheist friends ex friends now they want no part of me they are the hardest ppl to talk to about christianity there way of thinking is such ignorance
@@Americanexotic14388 I can't wait till you meet my Holiest of Holy beings, Zalthar the Magnificent. You are going to be so sorry that you didn't devote your life to the almighty Zalthar, blessed be his name, you won't like what he does to filthy unbelievers.
@@Americanexotic14388 Why is it taking so long for him to be revealed? Why does it care if we believe in it or not if it doesn't want us to know it exists?
@Viktor Tandofsky That's not really a response to OPs question. The woman made a statement and then immediately agreed with the opposite of that statement. And if a Christian doesn't prove anything, then I'll just continue not believing in Yahweh.
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
― Mark Twain
And he found out - “what gets you in trouble isn’t what you don’t know - but what you know that just isn’t so”
This was directly applicable to this false statement
Actually, religion is legalized insanity.
@@ACARTERF When did he find that out?
@viktortandofsky6914 WAS "India has 2,000,000 gods, and worships them all. In religion, other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire." ― Mark Twain
@viktortandofsky6914 ...and Amphibian!
God surely reveals himself to TV Preachers wanting jet aircraft and mansions.
mdduet clearly
Come on now. They also want the best foods, the finest wines, the classiest clothing, first class accommodations in everything.
@incredabill1 sadly she failed..don't bother convincing anyone...JESUS will appear in the sky and we will be full of joy while unbelievers and blasphemous will hide in the rocks and caves ( research dumbs) deep underground military bases
John 14: 21 He who has My (Jesus) commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
John 21: 20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23 Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?”
24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
Where can one start reading the Bible?
John (4th Scripture of the New Testament) and/or Acts of the Apostles (5th Scripture of the New Testament)
Are you fucking kidding lol.. god sure did reveal himself to all these televised preachers telling them that everyone should continue going to church and this was the time to give everything you have. God said give, give, give. He will bless you and keep you safe and you will not suffer from this virus or any other pandemic. What freaks lol.
I think rape, slavery, child abuse and genocide are always wrong.
And just like that, I am more moral than God.
I am proud to be an Atheist.
gaurav shetty Plus, you don’t think people should we sent to eternal damnation for not believing in Him.
Wow, you’re more emphatic than the most enlightened and omnibenevolent being!
And you dont give babies cancer, or create horrible suffering, cruel wars, murderers etc
Religion is responsible for a lot of deaths, hard to pinpoint exactly but through time it could be up to 100m, hard to quantify how much damage people have done in the name of a lord they are yet to provide evidence of. People saying how do you get your morality it's easy don't be a sh*t c*nt.
The caller is obviously having a lot of mental health issues and was the start of the trans agenda, they are seriously brainwashed, indoctrinated, has an extremely close mind, Mat was way more patient than I would've been.
B-b-but you took the Bible out of context ! It's a book all about love and acceptance, glorifying our perfect, sinless, can do not wrong cult leader Jesus Christ! You have to believe he was put on this earth to save you from all your sins, or else his father, Stalin in the sky, will cast you off to spend eternity in a hellish gulag, suffering brutal torture for aaaaall eternity.
@@Miodrag.Vukomanovic spot on, plus the other comments read religion like a cheap book ironically.
Lady: "It's not our job as Christians to prove things..."
Matt: "Actually it is your job to prove things"
Lady: "Right, exactly"
I've never seen an atheist prove anything
@@raysalmon6566 atheists don't have to prove anything...
@@lukehp7431
Of course they would be embarrassed if they did
@@raysalmon6566 No, he means atheists literally don't have to prove anything. Atheists aren't the ones making claims, they're the ones asking for evidence of the claims that religion makes -- which is currently none. While no evidence is given, there's no reason to accept any of the unsupported claims. Saying "I feel a certain way, therefore God exists" or asking for answers to profound questions does not suffice as evidence for all the insane claims that ancient stories tell.
@@unifiedcodetheory8406
Right... this show isn't making any claims
"If I see a snake I'll back off , if the snake talks I would shit myself " Dave Allen , Irish comedian and one of the best ever.
Ina, a big Dave Allen fan.
Love that man and his show !
I love how this woman is perfectly fine with talking serpents, but draws the line at magic apple trees.
I was thinking the same thing
well technically a talking serpant is scientifically possible since evolution could produce one, while a magic tree is by definition unnatural
@Viktor Tandofsky regardless, nothing said in it is true 💀
@@speakerz74 show me a talking serpent or don't reply, dude.
@@NubianNarrator go to the search bar and type in "talking serpent" or dont reply
All these Christians respond to Matt like this is the first time they've ever had someone present a logical argument to them. They all get so confounded by his pure rationalism.
Chris isn't that soooo true!!!
Just Another Happy Humanist and then they say you’re too rational and too skeptical which proves you’ve hardened your heart to God.
@@trishayamada807 - you're right of course, but it's all the fault of christians and god.
Because God refuses to reveal itself to everyone in such a way that they cannot deny its existence - and because the arguments for the existence of god that come from christians are so uniformly terrible and unconvincing, that is only ever going to lead to the hardening of hearts.
It's unfair to blame the sceptical for the faults of faithful
islam only the truth,wish u friendly read quran,all the best forevermore
Rationale has its limitations just as well.
Tara: *says one thing*
Matt: *says opposite thing*
Tara: "right"
Religion destroys the brain
Oops.
Hilarious.
True
Yeah, I've noticed this happening pretty regularly in these discussions. Matt will give a nice logical answer or explanation that is in stark contrast to the callers belief, who almost has no choice but to say "right" due to its logic, and then they still have to carry on with their now battered idea. It's actually pretty sad.
Yeah I actually think it’s a mixture of the Nomenclature and lack of critical thinking skills. Just whoosh
This show is so tragic I could cry. My mom is like this caller, and this is so incredibly sad.
Billions, maybe even trillions, of stars, moons, suns, planets, that are inside of our Milky Way galaxy! There are billions of galaxies in the universe!!! This God is giving away childish, barbaric, and primitive commands!!! This is not the God of the universe!!! Maybe god that was created from the universe!!!!
Your comment makes me glassy eyed.
same, my parents are like this, and i always think about how amazing it would’ve been to know them and their personalities without religion changing them
It's scary to know the truth
My mother was also like this. Yes, it is sad.
You can "see" by her breathing and pauses that she was experiencing extreme cognitive dissonance. I greatly empathize and am impressed by her strength to endure such stress.
My thoughts exactly. Some of these pauses had me gasp for air... holy cow that show is more exciting than any "bang-bang/fist fight/car chase rinse&repeat" movie out there! 😂
And now it's gone (I just watched the episode where Matt announces he"quits")....
I'm so sad. ACA, you lost me.
That wasn't cognitive dissonance. She knows God exists through personal experience. Cognitive dissonance is what you'll experience when I ask "how did you determine your particular non-theistic worldview is true?" Particularly when you realize you have nothing.
@@lightbeforethetunnelhow do you know that personal experience was actually God? Or are you basing it off faith? God said the devil can come as and angel of light so how do you know it wasn’t the devil? Or simply your imagination? Or the 100000 other reason it could have happened?
Whenever your argument involves a talking serpent....critical thinking has left the room
I have heard someone say that snakes COULD talk. Not only did I realize the conversation was over but I was actually a little sad that someone could hold that belief.
Oh boy... ain't that a fact?
Talking serpents? Must be LSD trips? 😎
Change the real world into the Land of Nod and continue with the narrative.
@David Anewman okay?? 😂
They're all wrong, because i'm god.
Why i'm sure i'm god ?
I prayed once and suddenly realized i was talking to myself.
Peet okay, YOU ARE GOD...until you have an NDE like I did. Till then, sure...whatever.
Jake West
Not denying your experience, but your interpretation of it, for it is impossible to experience anything outside of, or after death of your brain.
For anything immaterial about ourselves, like thoughts, memories, hallucinations, emotions, dreams etc etc atomic particles are needed to carry the information which make up these processes.
Furthermore, if one would experience the psychedelic drug LSD or the absolute nr 1 DMT (AKA the spirit molecule) one will find it to dwarf any NDE by a gazillion, and can be self induced at any time.
@peet I don't even think you know how valid you are even though it was sarcasm. you are on to something that is still being suppressed till this day. its what the Jesus story is all about the kingdom is within = when you pray. You actually pray to that myself awareness which inbodies all flesh-n-blood and all living creatures and plant life on earth.
@@JonnieQuestsStars please keep helping the rest of the flesh n blood in this aspect of life which is much more meaningful and real . I myself is on the journey of scratching the surface and hopefully my kids reap the full benefits of this understanding of blending the two aspects of life together.
Jessie Hill I never felt more alive then the day I died.
This seems to be ironic, however there is sooooooo much truth in this statement. It’s weird to think “this is it” and then in an instance have everything change...it is when Dorothy crosses over the rainbow, or when coralline finds the hidden door...as a matter of fact Hollywood is full of symbolism of the moment we die, and that’s from the non religious angle...
But it’s not oxygen deprivation, it is not the drugs they give you, the near death experience is the first and only proof of something supernatural existing I have witnessed in my 40 years on earth, (unless you count hallucinogens which I believe do give you a glimpse). It was like MY storyboard was given to a greater author.
This wasn’t a glimpse...this was something greater then earth...and I love our planet.
I feel like this woman needs a hug and someone to tell her, “It’s ok to let go.”
exactly. Compared to the average caller on this show, she's way above them
@@Nickelini
Right? It’s almost as if she’s well read, but in this case her reading amounts to books about watching gorillas throw poop.
Seriously.
Yeah😢😂
If it were only that easy. I would spend my day doing that.
Satan offers knowledge
God offers obedience or eternal damnation
... who’s the villain in this fairytale?
Aaliyah L
How do you know that? Is that what your controlling genocidal “god” says?
If “god” loved mankind he sure has a strange way of showing it. I bet he was looking down at auschwitz with complete love.
@Jane doe -- the god of the bible is the one that didn't want A+E to eat of the tree of KNOWLEDGE of what? Of GOOD and EVIL. Why would a good god NOT want A+E to know right from wrong!!??? Maybe HE is the Evil one?
Also, count the dead bodies by both. How many people did satan kill? I think it was about 10. How many did the god of the bible Kill? Except for the people on the the Arc, he Kills the rest of the Entire world Population!!!!! Who is the EVIL one!??
@Mr111mac111 -- Yeah....let's see what people do with that knowledge........With that Knowledge many diseases that used to be Deadly have been CURED! How many diseases have been cured by gods?
With that Knowledge people can live past 100 years when at one point Humans were lucky to live to see 30! How Evil of us,....right??
With that Knowledge we now have Luxuries that the Kings of the past could only Dream of!
With that Knowledge that PC and Internet you are using has made it possible for you to be on here right now.
If Knowledge is such a terrible thing, why not follow the bibles literally and be Amish?? HHMMMMM???? Remember, "one cannot serve two masters".......You obviously choose Knowledge/Tech which is Science over your god. Remember, he is kinda....sorta.....Jealous....
@Mr111mac111 are you really arguing that we shouldn't have knowledge? That somehow having knowledge is bad because "look what having knowledge has gotten us? You seem to embrace stupidity and that is what you get when you believe the bible. What an idiot
@@MasterSpade I think I'm correct in saying that the devil or Satan kills 10 people in the bible and their god kills (excluding the flood) 2.5m people. As you say which one is the evil one?
It always amuses me the way they try and justify each and every death and yet still come to the conclusion that satan is the baddie!
When she breathes and sighs into the mic after a question... that tells it all
I like to imagine every time she does it, a little piece of the wall of faith falls off.
Could be lots of things...
She is a Jehovah’s wittiness
You can hear the exasperation in her breath, knowing she has to agree with Matt's point or else she would be wrong or contradict herself. Why be a christian at that point
God is the existence of Love
"God's gonna reveal himself...what the f**k is taking so long?" Love it!
If you are outside time, the duration only affects us.
@Ares First sentence correct.Can you perceive life like that and the ramifications?Second sentence god does not want,it does not have a will,its not limited to time/space .
@@ericscaillet2232 You torturer worshipers have an excuse for everything. You have excuses for why prayer doesn't always work in the positive to accomplish the impossible, as your demigod promised. You have excuses for why the world didn't end in 50 A.D. as your demigod promised, and you have excuses for why the being you admire and worship would be the most evil being in existence if it were real.
@David Parry ♪♫ Oh cum ye a facial, choirboys get bumfucked… Oh cum ye, yes cum ye, We'll cover it up. ♪♫
God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists.
Tara is the only person on this planet who knows what God thinks.
It's heartbreaking to recognize, people like Tara have been tied into knots and twisted into buying a magical story. No one ever wants to believe they've been conned.
I know right, but despite how painful it was, I did honestly tell myself: you’ve been a moron, all this time, even if you got your masters, read numerous books etc and yet only 1 of this books, the most illogical one, made me such a moron
Because when it comes to religion, you have to face that you were conned by your parents and they were conned by theirs. That’s why I also have issues with Sinterklaas/Santa Claus.
Christian’s never believe they’ve been fooled
@@Thefamilychannel723 wait… wait…
what are you trying to say about Santa?
Santa is a totally different thing. I mean, _how do all the presents get there?_
Santa is def real.
…right??
@@Thefamilychannel723 exactly same thing with the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, santa claus ( as you've mentioned ) and various other lies to keep their children in line beacuse they can't be bothered to parent properly and gawd is the biggest lie ever told
it's kinda beautiful to watch someone question their religion like this. you can tell this lady is conflicted and anxious. the best experience of my life was giving up religion
FreeWillDoesn'tExist I mean you’re just wrong. But that’s okay. We can’t all think critically.
@@freewilldoesntexist4075 Jfc, who took a shit in your cereal? There's literally no need to be such a dick to some random woman.
I did not have that experience, I have NEVER believed in ANY god. Although I read lots of different religious litterature as young ..................
I "studied" all kinds of beliefs as young, I had my countrys head-library next door. All beliefs had a few things in common, Control, oppression, Scare-tactic and MONEY, just to name a few. As I live in a REAL country, with TOTAL FREEDOM to believe or not believe what ever I want, with NO pressure of Any kind, I do feel sorry for YOU. And your countrys Hard Propaganda of "the "free" world, which is A BIG LIE !. Even if there is NO PERFECT PLACE ! ! I prefer to live in REALITY ! ! . Reality sucks some time, and other times it is good. Still there are NOTHING good with "giving your life to some " sky daddy with his entourage of ghosts and fucked-up assorted spirits". At the end of the day, we are still living in the REAL PHYSICAL WORLD, with all the good and bad that it provides us ! Fairy-Tales was fun up to the age of 3 or 4, but NOT as any "how to live" your adult life. I try to understand it is hard to let go of your "security-blanket" but REALITY IS REAL and HERE but Fairy-Tales are just...... Fairy-Tales ! ! . Live your life, WITHOUT man-made drugs. I am NOT afraid of being exposed, that is why I always use my REAL name, opposed to MANY of those FOLLOWER FISHING SCAMMERS ! Take Care; Ralf ....................
@Zodiac Rising HOW can you "throw out" something NON EXISTENT ? ? ..................
The Garden of Eden: Why does God send a powerful, shapeshifting, disgruntled ex employee to the place where his children live? Then blame the children for being deceived by a superior being. That's just poor leadership.
God doesn't want Adam & Eve eating from a particular tree in the Garden....
..So maybe don't put Adam & Eve in close proximity to it?
I always love how believers can't wrap their head around the notion that their all powerful god should be able to create free will WITHOUT sin, evil, and death being necessary to make free will work...they just can't fathom that their god could/should/would do just that...for them free will can ONLY exist if evil and eternal hell also exist. That's because evil DOES exist and they have to reconcile that somehow so they ignore logic. If they could think for themselves for one second they'd understand how absurd the biblical myth is...and that the bible shows their god is NOT all powerful and actually doesn't exist
Because they were told not to
And they both disobeyed.
@@sherribh6106 Kinda missing the point. If god didn't want Adam & Eve eating from the Tree of Knowledge (presumably because he was worried they would know good from evil and someday rival him in power, so he commands them not to), then why place Adam & Eve in the same garden with the tree? Or why not place the tree as far away from them as geologically possible?
I mean...it seems a bit of a dummy move to forbid a person from eating pasta and then place them in an Italian restaurant...
@@sherribh6106 and? They were created without sin, without the ability to understand good and evil...HOW could they then sin? Hmm? HOW? They couldn't...it's not possible. The biblical theory of god is beyond stupid and illogical
When I listen to this stuff, I am baffled that grown adults in the 21st century talk about magic and are serious about it.
@viktortandofsky6914and who knows what's a metaphor and what's not?
Damn, being a trans person can be hell, the fact that this woman finds solace in a religion that hates her for what she is is pretty heartbreaking.
Yes...especially a religion whose dogma looks down on her group and has no use for gays/trans other than cannon fodder. Really sad. In China they would say that this woman is "doing accounts for the person who had just sold her as a slave."
Being trans myself and surrounded by religious people who actively attempt to take away my rights, talk horribly about me and people like me saying how disgusting we are and worse, I truly do not understand how she can defend and buy into the same thing those people believe.
We love to be "contradictory", like that makes us more interesting, like "oh you thought just because I'm trans it doesn't make sense for me to be a christian but I'm so much more complex than that". Not particularly about this woman or being trans and a christian but yeah.
The essence of brainwashing
@@longdongjonson8707 I think this is some variation on the Stockholm Syndrome.
Tara's "good news" has been "any day now" for over 2,000 years.
Golly jeepers yes. 2000 years is a really long time. A really really long time. You know, it’s like approaches some part of 1% of the known history of the earth. That’s a really long time. Believe me.
@@chuckm1961 Unless you're talking to an idiot that thinks the universe is only ten thousand years old. ☺☻
@@Arkloyd Yes, I think it’s important that we atheists always assume the worst about others, assume maximum levels of stupidity. That way, we can ensure our continued smugness and feeling of superiority. It’s also highly moral, as we know, to mock others and assume the worst about them.
Good plan.
@@chuckm1961 Did I touch a nerve? Are you one of those people that thinks that the universe is only 6,000 - 10,000 years old?
@@Arkloyd No, sorry. You’ll have to go find someone else to feel smug and superior to. You appear to have missed my point.
I actually feel really sorry for this caller. I had enough issues of my own coming out as gay, being disowned by my family and having to start a life with everything I could manage to fit in my car.. I cannot begin to imagine how much more difficult it is for a transwoman, I understand she needs something to grasp hold of, shes sadly found probably the worst system to support her.
It is sad but I understand why she’d want to grasp to something.
I had a lesbian friend who tried getting me to be LDS, I said absolutely not (grandparents were), I went once to an event to be nice. Two years later I’d when they dropped the “disown anyone even your own family and children if they are gay and practicing or not wanting to change.” Very sad to see.
This was a great call. Tara was honest and thoughtful, and sounds like a really nice person. I hope she is doing well and has thought about this conversation a lot since then.
let me know when you can tell me how life comes from nothing
@@gianthills let me know when you can ask a question that is meaningful. The old hackneyed, "how does life come from nothing" has become the most debunked and least interesting question amateur and dishonest apologists wheel out. It's not worth going into, but if you want to, I can go through why it's a stupid question (and yes, there are stupid questions, this is one of the more stupider ones).
@@smequals ALl those words you sent me, yet it was all a dodge, a nothing burger. You guys have big mouths, no answers. if debunked, answer it. i've just debunked YOU, pal.
@@gianthills wow, ok. If that's how you want to be, that's fine. It sounds like you are more interested in thinking you won arguments than knowing what is true. That's up to you. And it's fine. I am not trying to change your mind or even educate you on this. But since you started the exchange, the least I can do is tell you the score. And no, you didn't debunk squat. But that's fine, you're going to believe what you want anyway.
So here it goes.
First of all, the "life comes from nothing" trope that the apologists like to trot out is a strawman. Find an atheist, or an agnostic, or really anyone, who even claims that, and discuss it with them. I don't believe that. It's not part of my worldview. It's not something that is inherently atheistic, or agnostic, or anything. It is simply a strawman argument that has no basis in reality. It's the most ignorant attempt of a "gotcha" that apologists seem to have. And it doesn't work. On that basis alone, I don't need to explain it at all, as I don't hold that position.
My position regarding where life comes from is simply, "I don't know." Which is the only honest answer. You don't know either. You might claim to know, but you don't. And I know that for a fact because you don't have evidence to support the position of you knowing. You can try, and I'd love to hear it. But I am quite certain you don't. I certainly don't believe you do, anyway, so feel free to tackle that in your spare time.
Now, it seems to me that if you are a theist (and I am assuming you are by this conversation), you are likely to believe that god created life. Ok, that's fine. I don't believe that, and until you demonstrate and provide sufficient evidence for your god's existence, I'm not going to believe your claim. So you are the one with the burden of proof and the heavy lifting that ensues. Feel free to provide that.
I would also add that if you do end up providing suitable evidence for the existence of your god, and the suitable evidence that your god actually created something, then that begs a couple of questions. First, what did god create life (or everything if you want to go there) out of? Was it nothing? If it was nothing, then it seems you, and not me, are making the claim that life came from nothing. If you are able to answer that sufficiently, then of course we really need to ask what god came from. Was it nothing, or was it something? If it was nothing, then we're back to you believing something came from nothing. If it was something, then what was it? And now you have the infinite regress problem, don't you? And once you get there, you realize the entire notion is just ridiculous. It's not comprehensible with what we know, and it's rather irrelevant anyway. "I don't know" becomes the most honest answer.
I said it was irrelevant because why do I care where life came from? I have a short amount of time to live, and so do you. I am more concerned with living the best life I can right now, and not worry about post-life or life unseen. I am not a scientist, so how life came to be is not important to me. It's not part of my world view, it does not impact me in the slightest. And I am certainly not going to insert an indemonstrable god into the gap of my understanding because I am uncomfortable with not knowing something. Maybe you are insecure or arrogant enough to do that, but I'm not. I am humble enough to admit that I don't know something.
Also notice that I didn't get into the definition of "nothing". That's an important point too. When you say "nothing", what does that really mean? I actually don't care, because I find the crossroad of scientific nothing and philosophical nothing to be an inane and banal discussion. Argue that with someone who cares.
Also notice that I kept the god as a lower case, and a non-specific god. I am virtually certain that you believe in a very specific god being the one that created life, and stuff, however he did that. If you can't demonstrate any god exists, which I doubt you can't, then trying to demonstrate a specific god's existence is not going to happen. So, make sure when you reply you keep that in mind, because I'm not interested in the specific god you believe in. Demonstrate any god's existence first.
Anyway, I've gone way beyond your initial statement, which was a dumb statement in the first place. I suggest you stop using that lame, debunked, waste of time weak-ass argument and come up with something better if you are going to be taken seriously. Thanks for reading.
@@smequals The position "I don't know", isn't actually a position, nor is it actually true about atheists. It's a way to avoid debate while forcing theists to provide proof. It's a game I see over and over. You're position can't simply be arbitrary while demanding that others provide proof . Atheists do have a position yet pretend not to have one because defending it is a non starter. I'll explain further. You and others want proof of God that they deem acceptable, a level of evidence that meets their subjective standards. Fine. Yet, here's where we discover that they are intellectually dishonest. If, by their own admission, they would believe in a creator if presented with sufficient evidence, this tells us that they themselves have an idea of what kind of evidence would qualify, right? Yet, atheists refuse to answer that question. If they do not even know what evidence would qualify as proof, they cannot claim that no proof exists because they wouldn't recognize it even if it did exist. Its a circular nightmare that atheists have been conditioned to accept as logic. The idea of something from nothing isn't a gatcha at at all. God having created everything isn't something from nothing, here's why. If God is the energy source of all life, life then came from that source, not nothing. However, without that creative source of energy, you do have nothing, yet you think that life can just appear without that primary source of creation. Simply calling God "nothing", is a word game, not based in logic.
She clearly was struggling with her own belief realizing that its shit. We need to help her come to the side of reason!
I believe that will never happen. Her brain has been damaged.
@J J My best advice is try to watch as many Atheist Experience videos you can on UA-cam and try to listen to Seth Andrews podcasts for pleasure. Both will help you come to realize that religion is a bunch of man made bulls**t and the world is an amazing place with no need to invent supernatural crap. It is gonna be hard if you have been indoctrinated but you can do it! The internet can help show the dishonesty that religious people have. My advice is to stay away from the pastor, odds are he doesn't know s**t! You are on the right path so keep it up.
@Smokey 420 😂😂😂Jesus is and never was a god or the God. Some one born with a human mother and egomaniac genocidel God as as farther would be a demi God just like Hercules .
@Smokey 420 ye sure in ya dreams .
So called God demands that you love him ,that you follow you him with out question . Comits genocide incites genocide ,incest .
@Smokey 420 Yipes, someone has been watching too much Gospel and getting high on biblical scriptures. Aren't you too old for fairy tales?
Sarcastically says: “No evidence that ever happened but we’ll go with the mythology.”
Caller is completely unfazed and rolls with it. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I can't believe I spent 30 + years praying to something that didn't even exist. And to think the whole time I was really just talking to myself is just something I've become very ashamed of.
At least you had given yourself free will and choice! Do not be ashamed, you were loyal, but you had awaken.
Only when I feel completely alone do I talk to god. I don’t believe in god, but it brings comfort that there may be someone listening.
FALSE
@@ACARTERF Wow, really proved him wrong there
@@bunsenn5064 It's ok for you to sound out your feelings and turn them into words but I really do recommend a therapist if you want someone else to not only listen but to help you actually turn those words into action
Woman: says A is true
TAE: proves A is false
Woman: EXACTLY!
"So Tara, your entire thought process throughout this conversation has been totally ridiculous and illogical." - "Yes, I agree, but..."
Poor girl, she been taken prisoner by the Christians and has no idea what is going on.
"Right, exactly" Smh
As a trans woman myself I want to compliment Matt on how he handled this. He made it clear he has nothing against trans people but didn't start treating the caller with kid gloves. Well done. Also I find it funny if any trans person claims things are getting worse. Just few decades ago almost no place was safe for us but now we are getting general acceptance. Apart from the environment, things are getting much better.
seems like it is getting worse again ...
boy did this comment age like milk lol
Given recent developments, are you doing ok still?
2023 is calling to let you know things are somehow worse than 2020...
How are things worse?
The loud, frustrated sighs are my favorite. "Damn, there goes another one of my arguments....."
Tara is a great example of what childhood indoctrination can do.
Are you aware of how much childhood indoctrination our society has for atheistic positions like Materialism, Empiricism, Moral Relativism, Heliocentrism, Evolutionism, etc?
@@lightbeforethetunnel "Indoctrination" refers to the enstilling of "doctrine" in people. That is church dogma, not backed up by evidence. Those other things you mention are not indoctrination, do not have dogma, and are backed by evidence. See the difference?
@@johnsperry9494 How are you concluding those other things I mentioned do not have dogma? People can be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology. People can be dogmatic aboht any position about any topic beyond the limits of what science can directly verify.
Materialism, for example, is the universal claim that the material is ALL that exists. Why would it be impossible for people to be dogmatic about this? Anyone who blindly believes this, without justification, and yet defends it against all scrutiny, would be dogmatic about it.
The vast majority of atheists I debate are EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism. And they can't give any rational justification for why they affirm Materialism over any other metaphysical theory. They can only give fallacies, along with pseudoskepticism about competing metaphysical theories.
Same with Empiricism - the belief that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified.
The majority of atheists I debate are very dogmatic about this, as well. They presuppose it to be the true Epistemology, without a rational justification for why it's true. And they completely ignore the fact it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with one sentence:
The philosophical claim "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified ITSELF.
That demonstrates Empiricism is self-refuting and necessarily false. It's non-negotiable because it necessarily follows logically. And they flat out just IGNORE this, without giving a counter-rebuttal.
That is extreme dogmatic zealotry for Empiricism.
I could do this for all of the positions I listed.
@@johnsperry9494 How are you concluding those other things I mentioned do not have dogma? People can be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology. People can be dogmatic aboht any position about any topic beyond the limits of what science can directly verify.
Materialism, for example, is the universal claim that the material is ALL that exists. Why would it be impossible for people to be dogmatic about this? Anyone who blindly believes this, without justification, and yet defends it against all scrutiny, would be dogmatic about it.
The vast majority of atheists I debate are EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism. And they can't give any rational justification for why they affirm Materialism over any other metaphysical theory. They can only give fallacies, along with pseudoskepticism about competing metaphysical theories.
Same with Empiricism - the belief that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified.
The majority of atheists I debate are very dogmatic about this, as well. They presuppose it to be the true Epistemology, without a rational justification for why it's true. And they completely ignore the fact it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with one sentence:
The philosophical claim "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified ITSELF.
That demonstrates Empiricism is self-refuting and necessarily false. It's non-negotiable because it necessarily follows logically. And they flat out just IGNORE this, without giving a counter-rebuttal.
That is extreme dogmatic zealotry for Empiricism.
I could do this for all of the positions I listed.
@@johnsperry9494 Definition of doctrine: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group
Why would the positions I listed not qualify?
It is possible to be dogmatic about any philosophical position or ideology.
Heck, virtually every atheist I debate is EXTREMELY dogmatic about Materialism, Empiricism, etc.
Empiricism, for example, is the philosophical position that truth can ONLY be known if it's empirically verified. The majority of atheists I debate believe this is true, without any rational justification for how they determined it's true.
But worse, they IGNORE the fact that it's easily demonstrated to be necessarily false with a single sentence. I'll show you:
*The philosophical claim that "Truth can only be known if it's empirically verified" cannot be empirically verified itself*
There. That demonstrates it's self-refuting. And all self-refuting claims are false by necessity.
Yet, the majority of atheists just IGNORE this completely and continue presupposing Empiricism is true without even having a rational justification for why it's true to begin with. And while ignoring the refutation.
And they also engage in irrational pseudoskepticism to dismiss any demonstration that a competing Epistemology is actually true in place of Empiricism.
It's not really possible to be more dogmatic than that.
And I could do the same for all the other positions I listed. All of them.
Hey lady, you shouldn't say "exactly" when someone counters your point. That's not how a conversation works.
~ Exactly. XD!
That’s her way of acknowledging that sounds have ceased to emit from your facehole and it is now time for her facehole to emit sounds.
*Caller*
"I believe the sky is red, because the book says it's red"
*Host*
"It's blue and I can prove it's blue, and why it's blue"
*Caller*
"Well you see gaaaawd hasn't revealed it to be red to everyone"
*Host*
"Oh for f#%* sake
\(^•^)/
you're a f#%*ing idiot, thanks for calling"
God is the existence of Love
@@damianedwards2327 You and your god can kiss my ass.
Faith = I think X, therefore X is 100% true.
Basically
Well put
People with evidence never say I have faith,people without evidence say I have faith.
Incorrect ... faith ==trust , but you cannot trust what you deny until it's inevitable in front of your face
Its more like I don't understand x. Therefore x is divine.
I can HEAR the struggle in this caller's mind. The cognitive dissonance is picked up in the mic.
LuthAMF yeah not really.
💯💯
Good point! You can hear her struggling.
LuthAMF wasn’t even my comment, but you clearly don’t even know what cognitive dissonance is lmao.
LuthAMF shouldn’t you be on Facebook geezer?
This lady is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I love how she failed to identify as such, but my mother raised me in that cult. Certain phrases are a giveaway. "This system". "The 144,000", etc.
Or SDA.
What i don't get about Jehovah Witnesses is why bother trying to convert more people if only a certain small amount will go to heaven.
@@Anastasia2048 they think the rest will live forever on earth in paradise.
@@Anastasia2048 An interesting idea I came across is that their proselytizing techniques are deliberately calibrated to be off-putting and annoying because the goal is not to convert, but reaffirm the missionary's belief that they will only be safe and accepted in their little enclave, among the vast heaving seas of heathens.
Sneaky.. Sneaky ☺️
"I know because I believe". What a perfectly closed answer. Explains EVERYTHING.
I always go to quotes from George Carlin, and this one is my favorite! "The God excuse, the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument"
"They come from god. They're god given rights. Oh fuck here we go again"
Prayer. The last refuge of a true scoundrel: Lisa Simpson.
'God is real'
'no he's not!'
'Exactly!'
nice
I'm whaling on the inside.
So God is transgender then doesn't know what he is.
“Well, I interpret those passages a little differently…” OF COURSE you do!
Gotta love when people talking about their imaginary delusions as if they are factual
The best thing this caller could have done is not call in and make a fool of her/him/self lol
yo like shes sooo sure for a fact lol its like listening to someone read a nursery rhyme as if it were the laws of gravity.
Yesssss
Brain droppings
@@thomaskearney5974
Yo, don't be an arse disrespecting her like that. Bloody hell, I'm surprised you didn't add "it" to that insulting string of pronouns, just to be that much more of a douche-bag.
I was brought up in a christian household. When I was a kid, like between the age of 4 and 9 I didn't think anything of it. I enjoyed going to church, all the playgroups, some festivities etc. But I always remember, during times the pastor would preach, tell fables or read from the bible, it just never stuck. I never felt anything, in fact I used to just want to go to sleep. It was boring, then as I got older between 9 and 12 it really started to grate on me. Remember I was brought up at that point by a devout christian, the kind where he would beat the living shit out of you if you said jesus christ in anger or shock. I just didn't get it. Thankfully my mum left him and it all fizzled out.
Anyway, after my grandmother died when I was around 23. I remember sitting in her house with my old man, uncle and cousin and the inevitable discussion arose. I shared my experience of how it must never connected with me, I never understood it, I never felt it. It all seemed ridiculous. I said I felt I had agency for my own actions and only I can make a difference in my life god has never revealed himself to me, if god made me, and knows me why would he not give me that courtesy and save me from hell? I was given a promise. "Come to the prayer meeting this Friday, I can promise you, jesus will reveal himself"
I went. Can you guess what happened?
Absolutely fuck all. I felt nothing and was acutely aware of standing in a room full of roasters, proclaiming that walking to the pastor for him to pray for me would heal my problems. That was the last time I saw that side of my family and that was around 14 years ago.
It never sat right with me that god allegedly revealed himself to these people but left me out in the cold. Then i realised that these people want it to be true so much they probably confuse their own monologue or reality with god. They make it happen. That's some bull shit right there.
Pretty much my experience as well. Church was just that boring place we had to get up early to go waste all Sunday morning at. Literally nothing stuck for me. And when I was finally old enough to start questioning why I was being forced to do this thing my newfound attention did not work in religion's favor. Quite the opposite -- I started actually listening to the drivel being spouted and immediately turned the other direction and started running.
@Jason Collins you know at the time I felt guilty. It's good to see my experience was shared by others.
God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists.
@@damianedwards2327 Love is an intense feeling of deep affection based on physical experience. Your equivalence is false.
@@damianedwards2327 This is utterly fatuous. One could just as easily say "God is the existence of Hate. Everybody believes Hate exists" (or Hunger, or Jealousy, or Lust, or Constipation, etc, etc, ad infinitum) and it would make exactly as much sense (i.e. zero). Claiming "God" is a nebulous emotional state is an evasion, not a definition.
The talking serpent gets me every time lol
Me too.....didn't he was supposed to of walked too ?
Did she swallow from the serpent?
@@protruth1 We have proof of talking parrots.
Shana Neidig
My fav is the donkey. I imagine him sounding just like eddy Murphy.
Along with talking donky. Don't forget that
Great job Matt!
Matt mops the floor once again with another theist!
Thanks Matt!
I like to believe that there is an Atheist experience show in an alternate universe where Don and Matt argue against those who believe in the existence of Cromulons and The One True Morty.
There is no comparison! How can you doubt the one true morty!?
Faith is willful blindness. Plain and simple.
ScrimpishIMP does it not take faith to believe in a complex process of evolution?
You don't know what faith is boy
@@scottkragerud
No, because evolution is based on evidence, not wishful thinking.
@@souljah0fchrist919 Please tell all of us what your definition of faith is...
Pick your illusion.
Bill "Hey Sir, I've got some good news. You need to give me all the money in your wallet, your car keys and your phone!"
Mike "What? Why? Is this a robbery!?"
Bill "No, no sir. You misunderstand. You see, you have won the lottery and don't need these things, so you can give them away"
Mike "The lottery? Really.. how do you know? I don't even know you. I should go home and check my ticket"
Bill "I just know. I have faith.. So, please give away your stuff"
Mike "Eh? Faith? I'm not giving you my things because you say so.."
Bill "But I have evidence.. You see those advertisement boards up there for cola. It's my interpretation from reading them that you have won the lottery."
Mike "What are you talking about? That's not evidence!"
Bill "Of course it is! There are thousands of advertisement boards up and down the country!"
Mike "But that doesn't say I've won the lottery.. It talks about vacuum cleaners. Cars. Cola..."
Bill "Exactly! Don't you see? It's a sign.. have faith!"
Mike "I don't see that.. It's not evidence at all."
Bill "Well what is it then!? Thousands of people have seen these signs and they're real dammit.. It's my interpretation.."
Mike "Goodbye.."
Bill "Well.. you are going to be sorry when you check your ticket and find out I was right!"
im crying rn lmao
Phone wallet keys
Phone wallet keys
Laptop phone wallet keys
Just curious ... what happened next except for knowing how stupid bill is ? I'm invested in this ...
No. Bill represents the church's message to its members.
Kinder lame for all the work you put into it.
Tara from NJ: "It's not our job as Christians to prove things, (Which includes our belief) we're here to plant seeds
Matt: Actually, it's your job to give a reason for the faith that you have, so it is your job to prove things. (1st Peter 3:15)
Tara for NJ: Right exactly!
🙄
You can hear her unraveling at the seams when she realized that faith isn’t a good basis for truth
*SIGHHHHHH
"I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone else but I do feel compelled to 'spread the good news'." Gotta love that self-contradictory Christian rhetoric meant to make you feel good about your own flaws, eh?
Christians have contradiction down to a fine art
It wasn't that long ago that the next step taken when someone doesn't buy your fairy tale was to torture them until they told you they believed, or you killed them.
It's beautiful being a devout atheist. There is no "problem of evil" and no issue of "free will " and no "objective morality." Just us animals doing what is. Matt is on FIRE at the end of this video!
BRAVO FOR HER!!!! It takes a lot to acknowledge humility and question the faith she thought she knew!!!! Instead of counter arguing, she listens and questions the other side honestly and inquisitively. GOOD FOR HER
Matt's a pretty cool dude. I truly believe he does what he does for all the right reasons.
Definitely. He is as pure as the sun. And everyone who you disagree with has bad motives and is a piece of trash.
I assume you mean the altruistic desire to improve general awareness. But even if his motive were to make a couple of bucks by espousing atheism, I don't have a problem with it.
"i'm a transwoman"
Okay, whoa. Didn't see that coming.
@@comedicsketches I hear nothing masculine in her voice.
@@comedicsketches I didn't know that and I am MTF, and like Azhiru I didn't notice it either. Good to know. :'D
@Melanin Warrior I don't quite see the relevance of that quote. I mean I see it in the context of religion but not of Azhiru's comment.
@Melanin Warrior So you suggest identifying as trans is like religion? Well that is a strawman argument for a start. If you have to call something a religion when it is not, just makes it seem you have no real arguments. Take homeopathy, it is silly nonsense but to call it religion would be a strawman.
As for your DNA argument, I suggest you look up something called Swyer syndrome. And after you have done that, tell me if you consider someone with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman.
Me either .3. I hate to see other members of the LGBT community supporting this kind of vitriolic religion
A serpent that talks to humans? The mind is so easily manipulative.
Tom H what do you mean by tuck out
Well, not every mind.
With the realization that the faithful can be convinced of the most unrealistic of concepts only strengthens my resolve to yoke the labor of the religious!!
Normal people should never have to clean toilets or be garbage men, so long as there are the Faithful, that can be instructed- thou shall collect garbage from sun-up till sundown on the Sabbath, it is gods will, it is written, therefore it shall be....
When any old janitor cleans a toilet, it might be done to satisfaction; when a believer, who believes that cleaning toilets earns them their seat at the right hand of the father, you better believe that they’d clean that commode like they expect jesus himself to take a dump in it!
We wouldn’t even have to pay them; but we would still require 10%- god need$ your paper money
well we hape talking apes (us) , so....
Imagine if Chris Angel or David Blaine went back in time to that period of time... I’m genuinely interested in how people of that era would react.
"Why God Reveals Himself to Some & Not Others "
I always thought this was easy. Some people have an uncanny inability to distinguish fantasy from reality.
That was my first thought also, some people are delusional and some aren't
This is exactly how I sounded like this women over the mic when I debated my friends about religion being real or not and they talked to me about science, evolution and reason. I didn't like it but at the same time my friends points made so much more sense to me then a book that tells me how to live my life and what to believe. I am glad I had those conversations with my friends because it made me think a lot about what I believed in and one day I chose to become an Atheist and it was one of the best decisions of my life.
That was just sad.
That was indeed sad. I'm left at something of a loss to understand how someone can think in such a fashion. Though she is not alone. One must almost need to convince oneself of shit, when one actually knows one doesn't reasonably have warrant for such a conviction. Such wilful, wishful thinking and desperate clinging to faith for at least some weak half arsed justification really strikes me as sad for adults to indulge in.
I was in high school when it finally hit me full in the face that the Bible is just a book of mythology. I had been reading Greek and Roman mythology and it dawned on me that some of these stories were the same as or similar to stories in the Bible. Blew my mind. I don’t give a crap what ppl believe. If it makes u happy and a better person and u hurt no one, go for it. But from what I’ve seen most religions do hurt ppl. On many different levels. So judgmental, so hateful and intolerant. It really disgusts me.
Reading the Bible was greatly instrumental in how I eventually became an atheist.
Not just hurt people.
Directly hurt civilization and humanity.
I am from spain.
My country was former at 15 century because 2 kingdoms joined and founded the Kingdom of Spain. That 15 century was the start of Modern Era. Politics, comerce, fredoms, sovereignity, knowledge, freedom to think, speach etc...
We had a beutiful and development civilization during Roman Empire that eas destroyed by the Catholic Church and mad the world froze since 500 to 1492.
1000 long years of basicly slavery, fear, knowledge forbiden and kidnaped by the chuch etc...
IDK how America, a young and libertarian country bought that. Was a good busines and move from the Condervatives and the RP.
It is funny. USA is such a young country that they don't understand that the USA belong to post Religion wolrd. They think that America was founded in religion
They didn't read the FF.
The mental gymnastics is unbelievable
This call has got to be one of my favorites. Matt’s points were so great and well timed.
"Let us read the Bible without the ill-fitting colored spectacles of theology, just as we read other books, using our own judgement and reason, listening to the voice within, not to the noisy babel without. Most of us possess discriminating reasoning powers. Can we use them or must we be fed by others like babies?"
Luther Burbank
Tolkien did mythology SO much better.
With style ! ...............
Eru is a better God than God
Melkor is defintely a better Lord of Evil than satan
Lots of fiction writers/authors write better than the bible even the crap once’s
“Basically” it’s complicated and hard to explain. Good one.
I met a serpent and he spoke to me. He said his name was Donny Tiny Hands.
Tds
These people have convinced themselves of a story that they can't proove.
Most convince themselves they have free will and are at causation of action.This cannot be proved.
God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists
@Syn Cloud very true. I'm gonna save this comment.
@Syn Cloud And that same logic can be applied to Christians as well, it's called ignorance.
@Syn CloudPlease elaborate? Its better than throwing accusations.
This is a particularly troubling call because Tara seems like she has thought about this intelligently, but her answers are still fluidly moving the goalposts to cover every possible scenario.
Beautiful video! Love the whole thing! Good job boys!
"It is our duty to expose the Bible. We must continue to tell the truth about the Bible. We must continue to enlighten the people. And if after the true facts are known, there are some who still insist the Bible is good enough for them, they are welcome to it."
Joseph Lewis
She seems like a decent person, and at the very least she tried to stay honest even when proven wrong
Rule of thumb. Never permit someone whom God has given over to a reprobate mind to decide for you what has or has not been proven wrong.
Judge much?
This was probably the best show I’ve seen! Great job Matt!
When I was 5 or 6 years old, my parents gave me books about Aesop’s fables, Mother Goose stories, Fairy tales, etc., and almost all of those stories had talking animals. I asked my Dad if animals can really talk, and he told me that it was make-believe (which I later labeled Suspended disbelief). I put those books on my make-believe shelf, along with Mickey Mouse, Peter Rabbit, and Winnie the Pooh. One day my well-meaning but deluded Presbyterian grandmother gave me a book of Bible stories for children. In the very first story, I found a talking snake. That book went straight to the make-believe shelf, where it has remained for over 65 years.
I love how Matt makes people stumble over their own words
I cant prove anything, and i know i cant, but i have this feeling and i just wanted to tell you about this feeling i have.
Exactly !! 😂😂😂
Well obviously feeling = god’s existence. Er, right?
That’s most people unfortunately
Also, I don't push my religion, but it's my duty to spread the good word.
@@ImNotaRussianBot 🤷 but Jesus, so there must be an answer to the direct contradiction.
Why would God give his humans a message that they can interpret in any way they like?
Where it say Christians can interpret in any way they like? Where? Where?
Funny isn’t it? This all powerful, all loving God could literally come down at any moment and show everyone the correct interpretation of his holy book if he cared about ppl knowing the truth. Yet you have soooooo many disagreeing Christians on what is the correct interpretation and logically, they all can’t be right. God could fix this if he exists.
A lot of atheist would also not praise God if he did come down and set all this straight (which he really should since none of his followers seem to be able to agree). Quite frankly the guy seems like an asshole to me and he has some serious questions to answer before I would even consider “following” him.
@LuthAMF I've never seen someone seem so confident in what they type yet make absolutely no sense. Actually, I have it's called the bible.
@LuthAMF You didn't even ask a question other than the guy comment😂. You asked if the guy referred to god, which yes since he's depicted as a guy (he is in the Catholic church at least, which is what I'm referring to). If you don't want to use the Catholic church as the basis of what gods gender is then, I'll gladly call god they when talking to religious people. Still, I think a lot of people would have issues with that since they're the same ones who get upset about actual people (you know people on Earth who actually can speak to everyone and express what their gender is) using they/them pronouns. If that's your simple question, I think you have other issues. Also, I question if you understand how sentences work since you added enough question marks that I wonder if the key got stuck. Then you say my explanation is bad because you decided it is, and that's it. Nothing else said. In most productive conversations, you'd give a reason why an explanation is bad. Since you didn't, I assume you don't understand how a productive conversation works. When my friend does something I don't agree with, I don't tell them bad and nothing else. You'd have 0 friends if you did that because more is needed in the conversation, or you come across as an asshole. It seems to me like you don't like hearing people say bad things about your religion and can't give reasons why they're wrong. Then your last comment I assume is supposed to be condescending, but it's just rephrasing my words. Okay? Wow really got me there (this is sarcasm, and I'm putting this in since I'm not confident you would get that and think I'm actually serious). Personally, I'm still chuckling that when I see your username, I keep thinking it's a nickname for Lucifer. I mean, it sounds badass, and I think if the Lucifer show hasn't already given him a nickname, I just found him one.
Mad props to the caller who willingly admitted the possibility of being wrong. True humility on display. Commendable.
Haha!!
Matt “ we will just go with the MYTHOLOGY for now”,
Caller “yeah ok “
I don’t think the caller knows what mythology is.
Tara has a two second attention span. Another humble christian, best buds with the all-powerful creator of the universe. He always has time to guide Tara no matter how busy his schedule. No ego mania there..
A beautiful example of how Christians can spin an endless tale of why god makes sense. It’s like a choose your own adventure.
"144,000"
Ohhh she's a JW. That makes a lot of sense now.
This was really good, and very necessary. I think Christians should listen to this one in particular and consider it seriously. Matt really lays out the arguments well, and Tara considers them honestly.
I am so thankful that my parents supported me when I decided to be the littlest atheist on the block when I was maybe seven or eight years old. Somebody told me about God and creation and it just didnt make any sense to me.
When I lost a tooth, I wired my room up with thread and taped it to my little radio's volume knob, so when Mom came in to put a dollar under my pillow, my radio started blasting away. She laughed and just handed me the dollar and said "Oh, you already knew!"
After I found out the tooth fairy and Santa were bullshit, it wasn't much of a leap to decide that Jesus is Santa for adults. I was a pretty hard-headed and logical little kid. Dad likes to tell the story of how when I was really little he was telling me about how some animals like owls and foxes are nocturnal... He said I got a weird look on my face and said "Dad, is Santa nocturnal?" He just busted out laughing. "Yeah...I guess he must be!"
How do these men can keep a straight face?!
Hi beautiful
They're just used to hearing such nonsense.
They are just numb to it by now.
That why i dont argue with religious peeps, argument keeps circling. Tsk2x
I certainly couldn’t. When she starts going on about this whole ‘Satan trying to discredit gods rule etc etc’ thing, I’m bemused I’m hearing an adult arguing this as a serious point in the second decade of the 21st century. It gets worse, she’s going on about angels now, and not as a bloody metaphor.
"I am desperate to stay in a group that hates me."
I like Tara, much more so than most others interviewed on this show. Tara at least admitted when she had a flawed point rather than just reiterating the same rhetoric over and over again. Sure, her points were invalid, but I appreciate her attitude on the show!
She is just beginning to realize there is more to be learned outside the classroom and Sunday Service.
Yes
Until she started preaching at the end there
She says "Exactly" after Matt demolishes each of her arguments, then she barrels on with her rant! Astounding!
It’s a pleasure to listen you, Mr Dillahunty. Thank you.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg
That’s bs.
@@Barelo Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction
- Blaise Pascal
If you think that is BS then you've clearly never studied christian history. So I suggest you do before making crass comments.
@@ramptonarsecandle bs
@@Barelo intelligent reply. Now go away or I’ll delete you.
Every time I listen to the Garden of Eden story, I become ever more convinced that Satan was the goodguy all along; the unsung hero.
By contrast, Yahweh is just an evil bastard; the true villain of the story.
I listen to Inna Gadda da vida
I had a lengthy debate with a Christian on exactly this topic, my contention being that the serpent - which, since I was sticking _strictly_ to scripture, was an animal, not (as the Christian claimed) Satan - told Adam and Eve nothing but the truth while God lied his arse off every step of the way. Why is it that the so-called "good" god tells lies and it's left to some random animal to tell the truth?
Well Yahweh was the hebrew’s god of war that they choose over their OTHER GODS .
I get the same feeling. If you read it from a non biased point of view YHWH seems like an evil dictator and the Israelites are his enforcers/playthings. Genesis makes it seem like YHWH created humans to be his unthinking naked little pets, and the serpent is trying to give them free will.
My first foray into questioning my religion was at the age of 5 when my grandmother explained the story of lucifers fall. I was incredibly sad for him and told her that I didn’t think it was fair. Yep, that earned me her fury and sent me on a long and winding road to atheism.
Peace
This woman is desperately grasping at straws, poor lady
OMG ! Matt was in BEAST MODE on this one !!!!!
"God only reveals himself to some and not others but good news he's going going to reveal himself to everyone soon once everything gets better" why it would be so much more effective to reveal yourself to people in hard times
"Even if the god of the bible were to come down and demonstrate to me right now that he was real, he would still have a lot to answer for before I could ever respect him" - Matt Dillahunty
A god of the universe would have a lot to answer for before I would respect it.
@Syn Cloud maybe god could explain it. He knows everything.
@Syn Cloud
God might take a bribe to get me a good judgement?
Afterall that must be how religious people who make $millions from conning people will be judged favourably. E.g. evangelicals, christians, LDS, scientology, catholics, protestants, islam etc
@Syn Cloud Because he never gave me any good reason to.
Still go to Hell if can send you there
Just realised, as I was listening to her, that she’s a Jehovah’s Witness. Her beliefs are perfectly in line with JW doctrine.
I am a JW too (though a closet-atheist). What I would’ve loved for them to explore in this discussion is how can she justify that “God is love” when he permits an evil being to subject humanity to the worst kinds of suffering and torment SIMPLY BECAUSE he wants to hold on to his right as the sovereign ruler and to clear up his name of Satanic accusations.
These seem like very trivial reasons to allow someone’s suffering... Imagine a father whose authority and the way he exerts it upon his children gets challenged. HE KNOWS that the challenger will then ensue abusing, beating, raping and killing his children. The father allows that to happen, though, on the grounds that this will prove how “wonderful” a father he is in comparison with this evil tormenter.
Wouldn’t that prove the opposite? Even if I was a rebellious kid, but later found out that my father REFUSED to allow my suffering EVEN AT THE COST of his reputation being ruined and his authority being taken away, I would change my mind about him and see that he truly is a loving father, who’d rather live with a ruined reputation than to allow his son to suffer.
If my father would allow me to suffer for the TRIVIAL reason of wanting to protect his reputation and authority, I wouldn’t want to know him!!!
Yet Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that their god is “love”, even though he allows their suffering for something as trivial as a few accusations... in addition to that, he tells us that we must see our suffering as a privilege, because if we endure it faithfully we prove Satan a liar. Imagine that...
Imagine the father I mentioned earlier telling me that I should see my suffering at the hands of the man who’s raping me as a privilege, because by enduring it I get to have a share in the sanctification of God’s name (reputation really) and proving that he’s the real father... F*** Jehovah!
How did king Solomon recognise the REAL mother in the famous biblical story about the two women who claimed to be the mother of a baby boy? He recognised her because she REFUSED to let her child be harmed just to prove that she’s correct and to hold on to her right as the baby’s mother. She’d rather LOSE her right as the baby’s mother than to consciously allow it to be harmed. THAT’s HOW SOLOMON RECOGNISED HER TO BE THE REAL MOTHER! (Even though there’s plenty wrong with this story itself, but that aside).
Yet when Jehovah basically goes on to doing the exact OPPOSITE of what that mother did, namely PERMITTING his children to be harmed just to prove a point, we still call that “love”...
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in one of the most wicked imaginary gods out there... I am on my way out very soon, just figuring out what would be the best way to do it...
Hope it goes well.
I was raised as a JW also but my mom wasn’t so keen to follow the congregation because of the policy with shunning outsiders.
On my 18 birthday I told her I didn’t believe in god and didn’t want to be a JW anymore.
2 years later I took on the label of atheist.
Its a long journey be safe
I can safely say you will be much happier once you leave the cult
Brilliant conversation. Well done, Matt.
i have so much love for don for some reason, his positivity and good spirits are infectious