I for one, absolutely love homage/clomage watches. Can you imagine the amount of money you would have tied up in all those watches if they were original. It would absolutely make no sense. You find that people with luxury watch collections are always stressed out about their collection and whether they have too many watches. Yeah, I guess! If I had tens of thousands or maybe even over a hundred thousand dollars tied up in watches, I would be stressed out too. Budget/affordable, homage/clomage watches allow you to buy all the great watches you've ever loved and not be stressed out because you broke the bank. And we're not buying junk! The build quality of Chinese watches today are incredible! There has never been a better time to be a budget/affordable watch collector. And we're having so much fun! 😀😀
People buy beaters, but I dislike that concept. A watch is made to be worn. Rolex and Casio alike. If someone is not wanting to spend 20K for the same time that appears on an Invicta, that's fine. If they do want to spend a lot, that's fine- but wear it. The idea of homage should be an honor that someone would replicate it. I know there is a price to craftsmanship, but when your craftsmanship cannot be experienced by most, honestly, I find little use for it and to me it only gatekeeps the world from a wonderful experience. There's a whole discussion on that whole argument, but for another time. I can buy a sappire lens, screw-down crown, 200-300m of water resistance, and for well under 300 dollars. I find it hard to spend more than that just for get a name, when my Pro Diver has been down 90 meters, no issues, and has been in my life for years now, for less than $100 dollars. You can't justify spending more when it provides very little discernible difference as a tool. In the end these. Are. Tools. To. Be. Used.
OMG, I had that very same discussion with a British UA-camr who does not review homage watches as he considers them "wrong"...He was talking about artists stealing music/melodies from someone else etc...but I told him that the British band Oasis borrowed from the Beatles! Some rappers borrowed from Chopin and French classic music. We all get inspired by each other and when we like or admire something/someone we, to a large extent, want to be like that person or be in the presence of that beautiful object and integrate it in our lives...We don't all have the money for expensive watches but we do like beauty and craftsmanship. Thank you Tim! Great video and pertinent, down to earth comments.
I’d even stay away from homages or clomages because criminals won’t be able to tell the difference either. Worst thing is to get mugged over a fauxlex.
@@MrToubrouk do you know what kind of watch I buy Toubrouk? Bet you haven't got any clue, because it's my own money, and your laughter doesn't hold a dime
I’m fine with clomages, I have a couple of them myself, but it seems to me that you’re just trying to justify that they are using someone else’s design. To be honest they are not homages, they are not paying homage to anyone. They’re copies. They’re copying a design that they know people like and will buy, so they can cut costs. So using the term homage is just as disingenuous as what your saying that the big brands do.
So then if brands get branded as copying?…I’m ok with that standard so long as that standard of ‘copying’ applies to the big boys as well. Consistent application of definition matters.
@@Realidealgear of course it does and they are accused of copying each other - Rolex is accused of copying Blancpain, PP is accused of copying AP and the list goes on and on, but though they do copy some design cues and certain stylistic elements it doesn’t even come close to what AliExpress brands do. They copy so much of the design of better known watches that, at glance, you can’t tell the difference.
This is precisely what I've said in the video...it's not that copying is exclusive to low cost manufacturers, as you said, they all do it. Which is why I challenged the claim in your first post, "They're copies. They're copying a design that they know people like and will buy." IF all brands do this and they do this because people will buy these watches...then I don't see the objection to copying...it's a matter of degree. And to what degree is this variable standard applied? I can tell when a copy is not the original...it says so on the dial with a different company name. Spare me the mysteriousness of whether or not people can figure out if a watch is a copy...just look at the name on the dial. IF THE NAME IS NOT THERE OWN...it's a fake and 1,000% agree prosecute and persecute. If the claim is about the level of stylistic elements...why is looking at the badge of the watch excluded in the stylistic element? Isn't the crown of the Roles work something? Weak sauce my friend.
@@BenNS1971 listen as long as they put their own logo and price the watch accordingly than its legal and thats that. I think you are afraid that someone will see your homage watch and you'll have to explain its not the "real" thing. We all have this fear to some extent but let me tell you nobody cares what kind of watch you are wearing! Nobody ever commented on my most expensive watch or the cheapest homage. The only time someone said something I was wearing my grandfather's vintage vostok that he got as a ww2 red army veteran and that watch worth next to nothing money wise at least. So that the "sad" reality 😛
@@Realidealgear you seem to have deduced intent and meaning in what I’ve said, that can not be further from the ideia I was trying to get across. Like I said in my first comment, I have no problem with AliExpress copies. I own a few myself and enjoy rotating them in my collection. But, as you mentioned yourself, it is a question of degree and degree makes a big difference, one thing is copying some stylistic elements. Another thing is copying almost all the stylistic elements… it’s cheap and lazy and that is one of the reasons these watches are so affordable (no R&D, no design department, etc.). In my initial comment, I was very clear when I said I only have an issue with calling these watches “homages”… they are not paying homage to anyone.
An OEM reissuing a watch from their own catalog is not an “homage.” Material updating, movement updating, resizing from what was fashionable decades ago, etc., as some sort of negative, is really “getting in the weeds.” If, say, Longines reissues something from their own extensive references, it was their design in the first place. Not apples to apples at all with the situation on an AliExpress thing. Employees of Longines designed, for example, their original moon phase watches, whether in the pocket or on the wrist, and there’s no Seiko export movement powering any of them in any case. And make no mistake, there is value in having the winged hourglass on that watch, rather than some Chinglish branding.
I disagree. Unless the original materials, finish, movement etc are exactly the same as was once made…it’s not an original. Called it a reissue…internal homage…the terms reflect that it’s not an original. it’s simply not an ‘original.’ Its unavoidable.
You spoke for me, Tim. I myself don't check to see if any given watch is a copy or an homage. I have a price range beyond which I do not go to buy a watch, so I don't go out of my way to pay attention to watches "above my pay grade." (Many famous ones look like crap anyway.) So, if a "low prestige" watch (that works beautifully) happens to be a copy of something more famous / "prestigious", I don't care. I also build and modify my own watches. I've built watches from scratch that I later discovered to be similar to something from 60 yrs ago, etc. Well, I guess there are only so many ways to do things inside a 40mm circle. Laws of Permutation? As much as I enjoy watches, they're not that important in the bigger scheme of things. Watches are not like cars or tools - where the original engineering is crucial for both safety and performance / comfort. As for the "prestige factor" of owning an "original?" Meh. If some people need it, and are happy to spend 10 - 30x more to have others' envy, they can live that way. I myself neither need it, nor want it. There is a LOT of "religion" - in the negative sense of the word - in this hobby, apparently.
“Fart in a pair of jeans”…😂 You nailed it, Tim. The people who make those comments (watch snobs) never got out of the schoolyard. Frankly, I think my Heimdallr “Captain Willard” is better made than the Seiko CW.
Brilliant. I wish others were as thoughtful and as articulate as you are here regarding the subject. Perhaps others, both pro and con regarding such watches, will approach their future reviews with more insightful discourse. Defining all these terms with rigor has been lacking among many reviewers.
Tim…I agree 100% with this. Good analogy of the Japanese, I recall as a kid in the 1970’s hearing that Japan made stuff was junk. I had never heard of W. Edwards Demming and how the Japanese studied and took to heart the science of Quality Control. I recall my Father saying he’d never buy a Japanese car. My Mom liked the joint Toyota/GM made NUMMI Chevy Nova, so they bought it for her. Being from Chicago, yes it was stolen. My parents never bought another car that was not Japanese after that…
I like homages as it means I can own a larger collection of different designs which I've always liked the look of. Most watches I like tyd design of, I own. The alternative is 2-3 originals which I'd like but then would be more concerned about damaging & I'd still be pining over different watches lol. Also, although I've a bigger collection, most are nh35 movements which you can buy for around £30 & then pay someone to switch up. Shouldn't be more than £100 all in...Vs servicing a higher end movement.
This is a great synopsis of homages. I’ve got one blatant homage, a Squale 1545 GMT (Rolex GMTMaster homage). For a year or so I didn’t wear it much, partially because I felt self-conscious wearing it, and partially because I got a BB58 that took 90% of my wrist time. I’ve recently started wearing it again; it’s so comfortable & it really is such a great watch!
Go for it. A great looking watch is loved by all. Raymond Weil Seiko, , orient, and Longines Conquest (all are Daytona homages of varying price points) seem to think so as well. Have a great week!
@@Realidealgear Actualy, now that I’m thinking about it, my BB58 is an homage to the 1958 Rolex & Tudor Submariners. This brings up questions: Is this “more ok” because they’re homaging themselves? Is it “more ok” because the original is a discontinued model? This subject gets weirder the more you think about it.
Some have said that internal homages are rereleases. I don’t consider through the lens of acceptability. It an internal image to an original manufactured in time gone by. No different than Islander Watch homaging the Seiko SKX along with dozens of other brands doing the same. Homages are part of all design, it’s logically required. To 100% create something requires zero inspiration. Any level of ‘inspiration’ concedes to an homage at some level. Even internally, this exists. As a trained researcher, we were shown that no idea is original therefore one must cite all sources of ‘inspiration.’ Though internal, even the BB series of reissues contain elements of inspiration from external examples. Whether or not a big boy company admits to external inspiration isn’t my goal. Pointing out the definitional consistencies of what an homage is…that’s worth it and in the case you’ve shared, it is an homage. Most internal homages have improvements: finishing of the dial/case, movement, crystal, clasp…it’s not the original….its definitely inspired by the original therefore an homage to original. Wear with confidence my friend.
I admire your ability to see value your watches. I have tried purchasing an homage of a watch that I wanted. I found that I couldn’t feel good about it. I carried feelings of imposter syndrome. I have since bought the more expensive version and I admire the watch and it gives me good feelings. While you have laid out a very logical argument in favor of these homage watches, you have left out the cultural aspect that these iconic designs signal status of the wearer. While not illegal or unethical, for me the public display of these designs are ruse. The size and nature of a watch is that the brand on the dial is so small that usually only the owner can tell the difference. For most you get a cultural status bump at a fraction of the cost. The value proposition is left for the wearer to determine. My homage for me represented me playing pretend luxury watch owner as if I had cheated in a race with myself. After purchasing the original I found it to be more accurate and better finished and it kept better time. Although my homage was probably 95% there. If I could buy 10 homages for the price of my one luxury watch and feel good about it I might but it just didn’t work. Enjoy your collection.
Understandable. Cultural pressure is always there no matter the watch or any other thing. I’m not against wearing ‘original’ models. I have a soft spot for Omega. Maybe that displaces some homages…maybe not. Bottom line is that homage is part of the DNA OF ALL brands and models. While wearing an alleged original is a feel good moment, original is a loosely defined term even among the select ‘original’ models. I’m rehashing the video and you’ve seen it… I would pit accuracy and maintenance $$ of an homage against any ‘original.’ A Selita SW200, Miyota 9000 series movements are on par regarding the accuracy of many high brow models. Include the SW200 elbore’ and other highly regulated movements, and the accuracy difference is almost indiscernible…let alone a much lower origination cost. The old guard watch industry is being introduced to real competition from many fronts and I think in the end ALL brands will be better off for it. I go back to Omega as a relevant example…they seem to be responding to the challenge. Great variety of models, movements, historical homages, etc. I truly hope the other legends respond as well. Thank you for commenting. Have a great week!
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with almost everything you said BTW. I could probably write 10 pages on this subject. I think almost no one disagrees with you on illegal counterfeit watches. I personally have certain rules I follow when I buy a Homage. I generally buy Homages of older designs. ie, the Willard, 62mas, etc. If it’s a “new” watch, the original has to be substantially more expensive than the Homage. I’m sure you do also, but I put a lot of stock into design. Like you said, there may not be such a thing as an “original” design but just because a Lamborghini Miura (the most beautiful car ever designed IMO) and the Ford Model T are both “cars” doesn’t mean one is not better “designed” than the other. Anyway, that’s about it. The bottom line for me ALWAYS is, unless it’s counterfeit, wear what you want and enjoy it. Thanks for the great discussion!
Great point and worth repeating what you said…when values collide, the “original” is the way to go. I think that’s why micro brands are so popular and great value watches.
Wow, this is a pretty long video, so Ok, the subject is interesting, so I thought I'll just watch a bit. But I end up watching the whole video and agree with every point you make!
I have a Baltany in my collection. 110% love it. I also have a much cheaper Liege (mild sub homage), love that too. I have a Farer that cost me £895. Love that too. Don't listen to snobs. Buy what you like, just don't pay too much.
It's a mystery isn't it?? The kettle calling the pot black. I'm not too worried about it...keep it simple and stay out of the weeds. Have a great week!
There is no doubt these AliExpres watches are extreme value and have owned a few. No jealousy when I see a homage watch, its not about getting attention, its about how the watch makes you feel. ❤. I am at the point now where I love brands like Oris, Nomos, Tudor etc… I never buy new from AD, I always buy lightly used from members from the facebook groups I am part of. One thing I have learned is that I never wear my AliExpress watches they sit in the box while the originals get worn often.
Would you critize someone wearing Wrangler or Lee blue jeans because they are a counterfit of the "origional" Levi Struass blue jeans?? The heritage brands also copy each others designs as well. The Patek Elipse is a homage of the Univeral Geneve White Shadow just to keep in mind. Homage watches have all the look, craftsmanship, and finishing of the origionals without the price gouging. Homages also dont have to be insured like the origionals that you pay thousands or tens of thousands for, they are far less expensive to service, and your not going to be worried about being out thousands if its stolen off your person. Its been said that luxury fashion is for poor people wanting to play rich because you will be poor after you drain your finances buying one.
I don't disagree with anything you said here. There are quite a few homage watches in my collection and I love them. I've considered buying a Tudor Pelagos FXD because it's a serious tool watch. Titanium, fixed "spring bars", anti magnetic....but it doesn't do anything that my Citizen divers do. It's just hard to justify that much money. I'd love to have a Rolex, but at the prices they ask, there isn't a chance in hell.
The average Seiko homage is not just cheaper than Seiko, it's better. You are correct, what is a totally original watch. I don't own any direct homages, but totally respect those who own them
Agreed. Thère is only so much you can do with a watch dial. There's even a argument that if there is a seiko movement in the back then it's a seiko or miyota movement its a citizen. Same as car makers VW group cars all share the same parts bin wether its audi vw seat cupra ect
Thanks for the video. I cannot afford a submariner. I cannot afford a speedy. I can afford a San Martin, I can afford a Sugess. Its my money. Don't tell me what you want me to do. Thats my job...LOL Wish a lot more people would watch this. I shared this on a Discord I belong to. Cheers from Atlantic Canada!!! BTW: Just subbed to your channel.
I love wearing my Steeldive SD1970 as my daily. I bump it and bang the heck out of it on door jams, etc. I would / could NEVER do that with a “real” Seiko Captain Willard. I’m not even going to get into how these Ali Express brands “out-Seiko the Seikos at half of the price!”
Coming from art and design background you might think I'd be in the other camp but I couldn't agree more. In watch reviews/comments 'homage' has negative conotations but in the art world it has mostly positive ones. The postmodernism term is sometimes offered up as 'Appropriation'. Pop arts Campbell's Tomato Soup by Warhol is an obvious example. Reviewers and snobs always mention Rolex. Yes Rolex are foremost the masters of Marketing. Did they go up Everest, yes but Smiths was the watch worn by Hillary in reality. Did they create the first triangle, 3, 6 and 9 dial? I doubt that very much but everyone else it seems thinks so... brilliant marketing to make people believe that! Their is another very good reason for the existence of homage watches. That is to get a feel or experience of a model before dropping your kids inheritance on one if you so wish. I'm sure a lot of collectors have had a watch a while and realised it's actually not their cup of tea after all. I don't care how much someone bangs on about the craftsmanship of a 5 or 6 figure watch. Look dude,, it's a car or half a house. Wake up, smell the hype and don't try to impress anyone but yourself. We had the Quartz Crisis, now it's the China Crisis as I call it and it's here to stay for time being for better or for worse.
I’ve some watches which are “fakes” of the originals, some which are “clones” of the originals, some which are “knockoffs” of the originals, some which are “homages” to the originals, some which are “homages” to “homages” (eg., SKMEI 1335 which is a homage to Casio Royale which itself is a homage to the original Seiko), some which are “inspired by” the originals and so on 😉
It's always the value. Can't beat it. I just discovered skmei watches recently after being a lifelong Casio fan. For what I get for $3-4 shipped is insane value. i can get 4 or 5 very good watches for the price of a lower end Casio like f91w. it's like free, how can I not help myself?
@@Realidealgear If you have a decent sized wrist I recommend the skmei 1258. Biggest numbers I've ever seen on a digital watch, 50m water resist, has a perpetual calendar, keeps good time and bright led backlight. model 1560 is similar but with 100m water resistance but no perpetual calendar. for a classier look model 2004 has fantastic value as well.
Well said man. All watches are evolutions and adaptations of other watches other than obvious fakes. Some of it is manufactured exclusivity. Some of it comes down to heritage and materials cost of labor or techniques and finishes... In the end buy what you like and enjoy it. On a final note I think a lot of people attach their self worth to inanimate objects. What they wear and own gives them a sense of confidence and achievement. As the saying goes value people and not things. Take care Bro.
Absolutely. What gets me is the plea of dealers to buy a piece of history. In fact, most modern models be it guns or watches are updated homages to the historical versions. Are we on for a test run this Friday? Email me a time that works for Friday…when you’ve got time. You’re a busy man Mr Kinkade!
When i look at watches from the 50s and 60s on ebay, they all copied each other and nobody cared back then. I dont see a problem in buying a homage of a very expensive watch not so much of a more affordable pieces because i think most people can just buy the "original". However there is something to say about having the real thing. I think its nice to save up and experience at least one real luxury watch. Just as much as i dont like all luxury collections, a huge only homage collections are kinda silly to me to but its your money your business.
@@Realidealgear My only "luxury" watch is a second hand omega seamaster ceramic no wave dial. Great watch well worth the money. I think i wouldn't have been as happy If I bought an homage of this watch. But it's a case by case thing, I also have a 17$ sanda cartier tank homage that I'm very happy with and I really don't have the need in buying a real over priced quartz cartier tank so go figure 😀
Companies make money when the find the supply demand balance. I don’t fault any luxury brand for what they charge. People will do what they want to do. I agree with you on the value…it’s just not there.
People only care about homages when it’s a luxury brand involved - you said it in your video, it’s panic that others are getting the same watch design for peanuts in comparison. Faux morality comes out - morality, from people who waste tens of thousands on trinkets.
Right?!! I’ve sat on this topic for a while. For me, I try to keep it simple and enjoy watches with a clear, easy no-go line on fakes. The rest of it is like a kid in a candy store! Have a great week.
Agree re homage’s being totally fine. But let’s be real, identical copies are not simply influenced by the original. Yes there were chronographs before the Daytona. But the Daytona is an iconic design that is immediately identifiable. That said, Rolex is a disgrace. Way way way too expensive. Rolex is like DeBeers.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate the time you given to this channel! To be clear and precise about words used…Identical means every aspect is equal or exactly the same. There’s not an homage watch that can get to an ‘identical’ copy. This is the point I made when people use these terms loosely such as 1:1. Mathematically that means identical, exact…all aspects (finish, materials, script, movement, crystal…) exactly the same. Homages never get there. It’s a spectrum. Agreed on Rolex but…there a viable market and Rolex is growing. Can’t fault Rolex for a great business strategy. Have a great week.
I have both authetic and homages in my collection. 95% of people know nothing about watches but will compliment you if the watch looks good...end of story. I have received more compliments with some of my sub $200 watches than my $3-9k watches. 🤷♂️
You say just because it's not illegal, it's okay to wear a copy (homage, sorry). Okay, and what about morally? For years women could not vote. It's was legal for them to not vote and not attend a university. Is that morally correct, just because something is "legal"?
Great video. The “no original” argument was compelling, BUT… imagine me wincing just a tiny little bit ;-) However, value and variety is certainly the biggest factor for me. No, actually, it’s that I’d feel SICK wearing a watch that cost 5 grand. Particularly when there’s a Christian school in Pakistan struggling to exist. Heck, a used Submariner would fund the whole school for 4 months! Lives and eternities should be more important than our vanity. Sorry. I started to rant.
Swiss watches were trash they cloned and copied everything no one wanted them you were trash talked for buying a Swiss knock off and now look at the prestige everyone claims comes with owning a Swiss watch now china is doing the same thing and I think that’s were the real issue comes from the World is made at chinas government 😂😂but yet most seikos are made in china so I don’t mind a Seiko homage at all because I can afford to find out if I like a watch that’s costs $1000 or more or not for a faction of the price no way I’d want to pay $1000 or 2000 or more for Seiko only to find out I don’t really like it
I don't get your argument as long as it gets , you're just canceling the whole concept of " brands " , brands has values attached to them whether it's material value or emotional and some brands have iconic designs attached to them , those who are copying these are typical example of stealing someone sucess and using it for their own benefits and even the buyer is buying it for the same reason that he likes the design but finds it difficult to pay the price the original designer is asking for and is happy to show people around that he appreciates that iconic design which in most cases of copying is done for luxurious brands so for the most he is someone that has the taste and the means to indulge such an iconic design when actually he is just another pretender trying to show something he is not. This homage thing is a miss- used term , its correct definition should be inspiring but in reality it's used to cover copying from a legal perspective that's all same like fake diamonds they give you the looks that most people will pass but not the true afficionados who can notice it from across the room.
iconic brands borrow ideas and rebrand as their own. In the research world, when an idea is presented in a paper, the author must cite their source. Only the conclusions section of a research paper contains text without citations. Likewise, all watches ignore the citation of inspiration or ideas from other brands folded into a design. It’s the kettle calling the pot black when the lack of citing inspiration by big brands or critics of homages say, ‘they’re stealing someone’s success.’ Watches are an evolution of ideas dependent upon the ideas and innovation of prior designers. And their design are dependent upon others. Not buying the emotional charge and assumption you’re making of anyone else’s motive for buying or wearing a watch. Whether that be a Seiko speed timer, Raymond Weil, Longines, or any other Daytona homage. These are all big boy brands staking the success from Rolex? And Rolex created the Daytona without ANY inspiration from any other watches prior to the design of the Daytona?…right. Rationally impossible for Rolex to be 100% responsible for the design. Save the assumptions about motivation and first ask why someone wears the watch they’re wearing. Arrogance precedes the judgment.
I don’t have anything against homage watches but your arguments are so full of logical fallacies, straw man, weak analogies, and red herrings it’s impossible to break down on a UA-cam post. Again, spend your money on whatever you want but damn…
lmao "there is no such thing as an original watch". this entire video is sad, i have my fair share of clomages and luxury watches but the way you approach the topic just paints you as a man coping hard.
Specifically, with what do you disagree? You really went out on limb by calling the video sad...my approach wasn't to your liking...that makes a great case. I'm genuinely interested in the specifics and whether or not the examples you give are actually sound, defensible...extend beyond personal preferences and feelings. So far, you've grounded your claims in....hollow rhetoric.
Yet i don't see a Casio f91w homage in your collection, that's not what you're trying to fool people with, not an obscure Breguet watch either. Nope you go for the iconic and expensive stuff because you like people to think you spent the money. That's not illegal but your rationalization is pathetic.
I don’t have a Casio homage? I didn’t put any Casios on the table. You should ask before you assume. Hamilton Khaki is far from expensive, Iconic, yes. Specifically what part of my ‘rationalization is pathetic?’
SKMEI, Golden Hour, Forrader, Proking....even Timex. Did I go for enough cheap stuff? Golden Hour and Proking were highlighted in an earlier RN/First Responder video dedicated to cheap watches. Waiting to see your evidence that my "rationalization is pathetic." Your claim....you defend it.
Okay, since you asked,I wasted 5 minutes checking out your other videos. As I thought, when it comes to cheap beaters, you buy original. By your logic, this is still a waste of money on potentially lesser watches right? Why not buy the superior homage Casios? They're legal, better value, and you even get a larger choice of color.
Watch my video and pay attention to the rationale for any watch I purchase. I’m not opposed to buying an omega, etc. I look for value. I give multiple reasons for why I choose the watches I buy…based on value. I explain why I buy the homage and/or ‘originals’. I don’t isolate to cheap homage or luxury homage whether Casios or big boy brands. I’m not opposed to any watches except illegally branded watches. Homages are everything else…it’s a spectrum.
I for one, absolutely love homage/clomage watches. Can you imagine the amount of money you would have tied up in all those watches if they were original. It would absolutely make no sense. You find that people with luxury watch collections are always stressed out about their collection and whether they have too many watches. Yeah, I guess! If I had tens of thousands or maybe even over a hundred thousand dollars tied up in watches, I would be stressed out too. Budget/affordable, homage/clomage
watches allow you to buy all the great watches you've ever loved and not be stressed out because you broke the bank. And we're not buying junk! The build quality of Chinese watches today are incredible! There has never been a better time to be a budget/affordable watch collector. And we're having so much fun! 😀😀
yeah , i have some originals and some homage .
Great watches original and homage .
Agree and I can imagine how much I’d have tied up in an ‘original’ watch…the same amount with fewer watches. Boring collection.
Thanks for commenting.
No doubt… the big boys make incredible watches. Fortunately we have options that include other variants.
People buy beaters, but I dislike that concept. A watch is made to be worn. Rolex and Casio alike. If someone is not wanting to spend 20K for the same time that appears on an Invicta, that's fine. If they do want to spend a lot, that's fine- but wear it. The idea of homage should be an honor that someone would replicate it.
I know there is a price to craftsmanship, but when your craftsmanship cannot be experienced by most, honestly, I find little use for it and to me it only gatekeeps the world from a wonderful experience. There's a whole discussion on that whole argument, but for another time.
I can buy a sappire lens, screw-down crown, 200-300m of water resistance, and for well under 300 dollars. I find it hard to spend more than that just for get a name, when my Pro Diver has been down 90 meters, no issues, and has been in my life for years now, for less than $100 dollars. You can't justify spending more when it provides very little discernible difference as a tool. In the end these. Are. Tools. To. Be. Used.
Well said, balanced, fair, and respectful. Thanks for your comments. Have a great week.
Well said.
OMG, I had that very same discussion with a British UA-camr who does not review homage watches as he considers them "wrong"...He was talking about artists stealing music/melodies from someone else etc...but I told him that the British band Oasis borrowed from the Beatles! Some rappers borrowed from Chopin and French classic music. We all get inspired by each other and when we like or admire something/someone we, to a large extent, want to be like that person or be in the presence of that beautiful object and integrate it in our lives...We don't all have the money for expensive watches but we do like beauty and craftsmanship. Thank you Tim! Great video and pertinent, down to earth comments.
Great comment and I appreciate the feedback. Have a great week and enjoy all watches!!
Touché guys. Never believe that Great watches must come with even Greater price tags. 😉
I’d even stay away from homages or clomages because criminals won’t be able to tell the difference either. Worst thing is to get mugged over a fauxlex.
That’s an excellent point.
Better than getting mugged for a real Rolex.
No one gets tell you what you buy with your own money
Agreed.
True but we can always laugh at what you buy.
@@MrToubrouk do you know what kind of watch I buy Toubrouk? Bet you haven't got any clue, because it's my own money, and your laughter doesn't hold a dime
@@carlogalopo2605 The best things in life are free after all. If you want to wear joke watches, be my guest.
Define what makes a joke watch?
I’m fine with clomages, I have a couple of them myself, but it seems to me that you’re just trying to justify that they are using someone else’s design. To be honest they are not homages, they are not paying homage to anyone. They’re copies. They’re copying a design that they know people like and will buy, so they can cut costs. So using the term homage is just as disingenuous as what your saying that the big brands do.
So then if brands get branded as copying?…I’m ok with that standard so long as that standard of ‘copying’ applies to the big boys as well. Consistent application of definition matters.
@@Realidealgear of course it does and they are accused of copying each other - Rolex is accused of copying Blancpain, PP is accused of copying AP and the list goes on and on, but though they do copy some design cues and certain stylistic elements it doesn’t even come close to what AliExpress brands do. They copy so much of the design of better known watches that, at glance, you can’t tell the difference.
This is precisely what I've said in the video...it's not that copying is exclusive to low cost manufacturers, as you said, they all do it. Which is why I challenged the claim in your first post, "They're copies. They're copying a design that they know people like and will buy." IF all brands do this and they do this because people will buy these watches...then I don't see the objection to copying...it's a matter of degree. And to what degree is this variable standard applied? I can tell when a copy is not the original...it says so on the dial with a different company name. Spare me the mysteriousness of whether or not people can figure out if a watch is a copy...just look at the name on the dial. IF THE NAME IS NOT THERE OWN...it's a fake and 1,000% agree prosecute and persecute. If the claim is about the level of stylistic elements...why is looking at the badge of the watch excluded in the stylistic element? Isn't the crown of the Roles work something? Weak sauce my friend.
@@BenNS1971 listen as long as they put their own logo and price the watch accordingly than its legal and thats that.
I think you are afraid that someone will see your homage watch and you'll have to explain its not the "real" thing. We all have this fear to some extent but let me tell you nobody cares what kind of watch you are wearing! Nobody ever commented on my most expensive watch or the cheapest homage. The only time someone said something I was wearing my grandfather's vintage vostok that he got as a ww2 red army veteran and that watch worth next to nothing money wise at least. So that the "sad" reality 😛
@@Realidealgear you seem to have deduced intent and meaning in what I’ve said, that can not be further from the ideia I was trying to get across.
Like I said in my first comment, I have no problem with AliExpress copies. I own a few myself and enjoy rotating them in my collection. But, as you mentioned yourself, it is a question of degree and degree makes a big difference, one thing is copying some stylistic elements. Another thing is copying almost all the stylistic elements… it’s cheap and lazy and that is one of the reasons these watches are so affordable (no R&D, no design department, etc.). In my initial comment, I was very clear when I said I only have an issue with calling these watches “homages”… they are not paying homage to anyone.
An OEM reissuing a watch from their own catalog is not an “homage.” Material updating, movement updating, resizing from what was fashionable decades ago, etc., as some sort of negative, is really “getting in the weeds.”
If, say, Longines reissues something from their own extensive references, it was their design in the first place. Not apples to apples at all with the situation on an AliExpress thing. Employees of Longines designed, for example, their original moon phase watches, whether in the pocket or on the wrist, and there’s no Seiko export movement powering any of them in any case.
And make no mistake, there is value in having the winged hourglass on that watch, rather than some Chinglish branding.
I disagree. Unless the original materials, finish, movement etc are exactly the same as was once made…it’s not an original. Called it a reissue…internal homage…the terms reflect that it’s not an original. it’s simply not an ‘original.’ Its unavoidable.
@@Realidealgear I agree. It's a reissue/iteration which by virtue of such a thing makes it not original.
@@Realidealgear Such a watch is still their “original design,” the rest are mere details. An AliExpress “homage” isn’t anywhere near even that.
....IF the design is maintained as the original was (exact finishing, movement, material composition, etc)...didn't I already say this?
You spoke for me, Tim. I myself don't check to see if any given watch is a copy or an homage. I have a price range beyond which I do not go to buy a watch, so I don't go out of my way to pay attention to watches "above my pay grade." (Many famous ones look like crap anyway.) So, if a "low prestige" watch (that works beautifully) happens to be a copy of something more famous / "prestigious", I don't care. I also build and modify my own watches. I've built watches from scratch that I later discovered to be similar to something from 60 yrs ago, etc. Well, I guess there are only so many ways to do things inside a 40mm circle. Laws of Permutation? As much as I enjoy watches, they're not that important in the bigger scheme of things. Watches are not like cars or tools - where the original engineering is crucial for both safety and performance / comfort. As for the "prestige factor" of owning an "original?" Meh. If some people need it, and are happy to spend 10 - 30x more to have others' envy, they can live that way. I myself neither need it, nor want it. There is a LOT of "religion" - in the negative sense of the word - in this hobby, apparently.
Very well stated and appreciated. Have a great week.
“Fart in a pair of jeans”…😂 You nailed it, Tim. The people who make those comments (watch snobs) never got out of the schoolyard. Frankly, I think my Heimdallr “Captain Willard” is better made than the Seiko CW.
Right on bro. I think we can all just enjoy watches.
Brilliant. I wish others were as thoughtful and as articulate as you are here regarding the subject. Perhaps others, both pro and con regarding such watches, will approach their future reviews with more insightful discourse. Defining all these terms with rigor has been lacking among many reviewers.
I appreciate the feedback. I agree with you. Lots of opinions out there. Thank you for watching.
Tim…I agree 100% with this. Good analogy of the Japanese, I recall as a kid in the 1970’s hearing that Japan made stuff was junk. I had never heard of W. Edwards Demming and how the Japanese studied and took to heart the science of Quality Control. I recall my Father saying he’d never buy a Japanese car. My Mom liked the joint Toyota/GM made NUMMI Chevy Nova, so they bought it for her. Being from Chicago, yes it was stolen. My parents never bought another car that was not Japanese after that…
Value is critical. Thanks for sharing that!
I am ok with homages as long as they don’t stamp other companies names on the dial.
100% Agree. That crosses the line. Have a great week.
I like homages as it means I can own a larger collection of different designs which I've always liked the look of. Most watches I like tyd design of, I own.
The alternative is 2-3 originals which I'd like but then would be more concerned about damaging & I'd still be pining over different watches lol.
Also, although I've a bigger collection, most are nh35 movements which you can buy for around £30 & then pay someone to switch up. Shouldn't be more than £100 all in...Vs servicing a higher end movement.
All excellent points. Have a great weekend
This is a great synopsis of homages. I’ve got one blatant homage, a Squale 1545 GMT (Rolex GMTMaster homage). For a year or so I didn’t wear it much, partially because I felt self-conscious wearing it, and partially because I got a BB58 that took 90% of my wrist time. I’ve recently started wearing it again; it’s so comfortable & it really is such a great watch!
Go for it. A great looking watch is loved by all. Raymond Weil Seiko, , orient, and Longines Conquest (all are Daytona homages of varying price points) seem to think so as well. Have a great week!
@@Realidealgear Actualy, now that I’m thinking about it, my BB58 is an homage to the 1958 Rolex & Tudor Submariners. This brings up questions: Is this “more ok” because they’re homaging themselves? Is it “more ok” because the original is a discontinued model? This subject gets weirder the more you think about it.
Some have said that internal homages are rereleases. I don’t consider through the lens of acceptability. It an internal image to an original manufactured in time gone by. No different than Islander Watch homaging the Seiko SKX along with dozens of other brands doing the same. Homages are part of all design, it’s logically required. To 100% create something requires zero inspiration. Any level of ‘inspiration’ concedes to an homage at some level. Even internally, this exists.
As a trained researcher, we were shown that no idea is original therefore one must cite all sources of ‘inspiration.’
Though internal, even the BB series of reissues contain elements of inspiration from external examples.
Whether or not a big boy company admits to external inspiration isn’t my goal. Pointing out the definitional consistencies of what an homage is…that’s worth it and in the case you’ve shared, it is an homage. Most internal homages have improvements: finishing of the dial/case, movement, crystal, clasp…it’s not the original….its definitely inspired by the original therefore an homage to original.
Wear with confidence my friend.
I admire your ability to see value your watches. I have tried purchasing an homage of a watch that I wanted. I found that I couldn’t feel good about it. I carried feelings of imposter syndrome. I have since bought the more expensive version and I admire the watch and it gives me good feelings. While you have laid out a very logical argument in favor of these homage watches, you have left out the cultural aspect that these iconic designs signal status of the wearer. While not illegal or unethical, for me the public display of these designs are ruse. The size and nature of a watch is that the brand on the dial is so small that usually only the owner can tell the difference. For most you get a cultural status bump at a fraction of the cost. The value proposition is left for the wearer to determine. My homage for me represented me playing pretend luxury watch owner as if I had cheated in a race with myself.
After purchasing the original I found it to be more accurate and better finished and it kept better time. Although my homage was probably 95% there. If I could buy 10 homages for the price of my one luxury watch and feel good about it I might but it just didn’t work. Enjoy your collection.
Understandable. Cultural pressure is always there no matter the watch or any other thing. I’m not against wearing ‘original’ models. I have a soft spot for Omega. Maybe that displaces some homages…maybe not. Bottom line is that homage is part of the DNA OF ALL brands and models. While wearing an alleged original is a feel good moment, original is a loosely defined term even among the select ‘original’ models. I’m rehashing the video and you’ve seen it…
I would pit accuracy and maintenance $$ of an homage against any ‘original.’ A Selita SW200, Miyota 9000 series movements are on par regarding the accuracy of many high brow models. Include the SW200 elbore’ and other highly regulated movements, and the accuracy difference is almost indiscernible…let alone a much lower origination cost. The old guard watch industry is being introduced to real competition from many fronts and I think in the end ALL brands will be better off for it.
I go back to Omega as a relevant example…they seem to be responding to the challenge. Great variety of models, movements, historical homages, etc. I truly hope the other legends respond as well.
Thank you for commenting. Have a great week!
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with almost everything you said BTW. I could probably write 10 pages on this subject. I think almost no one disagrees with you on illegal counterfeit watches. I personally have certain rules I follow when I buy a Homage. I generally buy Homages of older designs. ie, the Willard, 62mas, etc. If it’s a “new” watch, the original has to be substantially more expensive than the Homage. I’m sure you do also, but I put a lot of stock into design. Like you said, there may not be such a thing as an “original” design but just because a Lamborghini Miura (the most beautiful car ever designed IMO) and the Ford Model T are both “cars” doesn’t mean one is not better “designed” than the other. Anyway, that’s about it. The bottom line for me ALWAYS is, unless it’s counterfeit, wear what you want and enjoy it. Thanks for the great discussion!
Great point and worth repeating what you said…when values collide, the “original” is the way to go. I think that’s why micro brands are so popular and great value watches.
Wow, this is a pretty long video, so Ok, the subject is interesting, so I thought I'll just watch a bit. But I end up watching the whole video and agree with every point you make!
I’m glad you made it through the marathon video! Thank you for watching, commenting, and have a great week!
110% agreed with you Tim and I do own both "Originals" and Homages.
Thanks for watching. I appreciate the feedback. Have a great week! Take care.
I have a Baltany in my collection. 110% love it. I also have a much cheaper Liege (mild sub homage), love that too. I have a Farer that cost me £895. Love that too. Don't listen to snobs. Buy what you like, just don't pay too much.
Value value value. And some of that value is entirely subjective as you've pointed out. Have a great week!
Well said. I have no idea why the larger, more established brands get a free pass when it comes to "homages" and the Chinese brands don't.
It's a mystery isn't it?? The kettle calling the pot black. I'm not too worried about it...keep it simple and stay out of the weeds. Have a great week!
There is no doubt these AliExpres watches are extreme value and have owned a few. No jealousy when I see a homage watch, its not about getting attention, its about how the watch makes you feel. ❤. I am at the point now where I love brands like Oris, Nomos, Tudor etc… I never buy new from AD, I always buy lightly used from members from the facebook groups I am part of. One thing I have learned is that I never wear my AliExpress watches they sit in the box while the originals get worn often.
That makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
The "originals" do not provide "value" - exactly and 100% agree
Thanks for watching and commenting. Have a great week!
@@Realidealgear You too!
Would you critize someone wearing Wrangler or Lee blue jeans because they are a counterfit of the "origional" Levi Struass blue jeans?? The heritage brands also copy each others designs as well. The Patek Elipse is a homage of the Univeral Geneve White Shadow just to keep in mind. Homage watches have all the look, craftsmanship, and finishing of the origionals without the price gouging. Homages also dont have to be insured like the origionals that you pay thousands or tens of thousands for, they are far less expensive to service, and your not going to be worried about being out thousands if its stolen off your person. Its been said that luxury fashion is for poor people wanting to play rich because you will be poor after you drain your finances buying one.
100% agree. Well said.
I don't disagree with anything you said here. There are quite a few homage watches in my collection and I love them. I've considered buying a Tudor Pelagos FXD because it's a serious tool watch. Titanium, fixed "spring bars", anti magnetic....but it doesn't do anything that my Citizen divers do. It's just hard to justify that much money. I'd love to have a Rolex, but at the prices they ask, there isn't a chance in hell.
100%. I’m in the same boat but hankering is for an Omega. Thanks for commenting.
The average Seiko homage is not just cheaper than Seiko, it's better. You are correct, what is a totally original watch. I don't own any direct homages, but totally respect those who own them
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Homage watches provide a ton of value, I look forward to seeing increased competition to pricing and features in the marketplace.
Yep…this is the best outcome for watch enthusiasts.
Agreed. Thère is only so much you can do with a watch dial. There's even a argument that if there is a seiko movement in the back then it's a seiko or miyota movement its a citizen. Same as car makers VW group cars all share the same parts bin wether its audi vw seat cupra ect
Good point!
Thanks for the video. I cannot afford a submariner. I cannot afford a speedy. I can afford a San Martin, I can afford a Sugess. Its my money. Don't tell me what you want me to do. Thats my job...LOL Wish a lot more people would watch this. I shared this on a Discord I belong to. Cheers from Atlantic Canada!!! BTW: Just subbed to your channel.
Thank you for the sub! I am with you on the options available ….and then let me decide.
I love wearing my Steeldive SD1970 as my daily. I bump it and bang the heck out of it on door jams, etc. I would / could NEVER do that with a “real” Seiko Captain Willard.
I’m not even going to get into how these Ali Express brands “out-Seiko the Seikos at half of the price!”
Absolutely. Thanks for commenting.
You are right!
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you are 1000% correct.
Thank you, I appreciate it. Thanks for watching.
Coming from art and design background you might think I'd be in the other camp but I couldn't agree more. In watch reviews/comments 'homage' has negative conotations but in the art world it has mostly positive ones. The postmodernism term is sometimes offered up as 'Appropriation'. Pop arts Campbell's Tomato Soup by Warhol is an obvious example. Reviewers and snobs always mention Rolex. Yes Rolex are foremost the masters of Marketing. Did they go up Everest, yes but Smiths was the watch worn by Hillary in reality. Did they create the first triangle, 3, 6 and 9 dial? I doubt that very much but everyone else it seems thinks so... brilliant marketing to make people believe that!
Their is another very good reason for the existence of homage watches. That is to get a feel or experience of a model before dropping your kids inheritance on one if you so wish. I'm sure a lot of collectors have had a watch a while and realised it's actually not their cup of tea after all.
I don't care how much someone bangs on about the craftsmanship of a 5 or 6 figure watch. Look dude,, it's a car or half a house. Wake up, smell the hype and don't try to impress anyone but yourself.
We had the Quartz Crisis, now it's the China Crisis as I call it and it's here to stay for time being for better or for worse.
Excellent commentary…agreed. Well said.
Personally... If the Watch looks cool, I'm going to buy it. I have a few in my collection. But I wear them because they look cool.
Ditto and ditto! Have a great week!
the watch video we needed.
You’re welcome. Have a great week!
I’ve some watches which are “fakes” of the originals, some which are “clones” of the originals, some which are “knockoffs” of the originals, some which are “homages” to the originals, some which are “homages” to “homages” (eg., SKMEI 1335 which is a homage to Casio Royale which itself is a homage to the original Seiko), some which are “inspired by” the originals and so on 😉
Great comment…inspiration is hard to pin down. I enjoy watches and encourage others to search out watches they enjoy.
It's always the value. Can't beat it. I just discovered skmei watches recently after being a lifelong Casio fan. For what I get for $3-4 shipped is insane value. i can get 4 or 5 very good watches for the price of a lower end Casio like f91w. it's like free, how can I not help myself?
I’ve not delved into that brand. From the feedback just in this episode about SKMEI, I need to check it out. Thanks for the feedback. Take care!
@@Realidealgear If you have a decent sized wrist I recommend the skmei 1258. Biggest numbers I've ever seen on a digital watch, 50m water resist, has a perpetual calendar, keeps good time and bright led backlight.
model 1560 is similar but with 100m water resistance but no perpetual calendar. for a classier look model 2004 has fantastic value as well.
Thanks for the input on the model. I'll look into that one.
@@Realidealgear forgot to mention, I used aliexpress to get mine.
Tim. Don’t forget the bracelets and straps are not originals in the main as well.
I like your videos.
Excellent point! Agreed n
Do note that some homages take it too far by printing shit like "Co-Axial" and "Chronometer" on the dial which are utter lies
True.
Just too expensive when you can get something with a Seiko movt for $100.
Absolutely
Well said man. All watches are evolutions and adaptations of other watches other than obvious fakes. Some of it is manufactured exclusivity. Some of it comes down to heritage and materials cost of labor or techniques and finishes... In the end buy what you like and enjoy it. On a final note I think a lot of people attach their self worth to inanimate objects. What they wear and own gives them a sense of confidence and achievement. As the saying goes value people and not things. Take care Bro.
You’ve nailed with the Best comment so far…value people not things.
Only 7 minutes into the video and I agree totally with you.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Have a great week!
Absolutely; Well said!
Thank you for watching and the kind words.
I own a few AliExpress clomage watches but they dont stay long in the collection.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I find many of my watches go through a cycle of interest …and some get recycled.
Same thing applies to firearms. I’ll never afford a K&H MP6 but I can get an homage.
Absolutely. What gets me is the plea of dealers to buy a piece of history. In fact, most modern models be it guns or watches are updated homages to the historical versions.
Are we on for a test run this Friday? Email me a time that works for Friday…when you’ve got time. You’re a busy man Mr Kinkade!
When i look at watches from the 50s and 60s on ebay, they all copied each other and nobody cared back then. I dont see a problem in buying a homage of a very expensive watch not so much of a more affordable pieces because i think most people can just buy the "original".
However there is something to say about having the real thing. I think its nice to save up and experience at least one real luxury watch. Just as much as i dont like all luxury collections, a huge only homage collections are kinda silly to me to but its your money your business.
Those are great points. I do have an interest in an Omega. I like their innovative design work. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@Realidealgear My only "luxury" watch is a second hand omega seamaster ceramic no wave dial. Great watch well worth the money. I think i wouldn't have been as happy If I bought an homage of this watch. But it's a case by case thing, I also have a 17$ sanda cartier tank homage that I'm very happy with and I really don't have the need in buying a real over priced quartz cartier tank so go figure 😀
I'm with you 100%. I have an eye for an Omega...someday...probably used to save on the depreciation. They're all on the table.
Agreed. They don't provide value... Just profits for themselves. 😁
Companies make money when the find the supply demand balance. I don’t fault any luxury brand for what they charge. People will do what they want to do. I agree with you on the value…it’s just not there.
Careful - making sense in watch YT is dangerous.
People only care about homages when it’s a luxury brand involved - you said it in your video, it’s panic that others are getting the same watch design for peanuts in comparison. Faux morality comes out - morality, from people who waste tens of thousands on trinkets.
Right?!! I’ve sat on this topic for a while. For me, I try to keep it simple and enjoy watches with a clear, easy no-go line on fakes. The rest of it is like a kid in a candy store! Have a great week.
Agree re homage’s being totally fine. But let’s be real, identical copies are not simply influenced by the original. Yes there were chronographs before the Daytona. But the Daytona is an iconic design that is immediately identifiable. That said, Rolex is a disgrace. Way way way too expensive. Rolex is like DeBeers.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate the time you given to this channel!
To be clear and precise about words used…Identical means every aspect is equal or exactly the same. There’s not an homage watch that can get to an ‘identical’ copy. This is the point I made when people use these terms loosely such as 1:1. Mathematically that means identical, exact…all aspects (finish, materials, script, movement, crystal…) exactly the same. Homages never get there. It’s a spectrum.
Agreed on Rolex but…there a viable market and Rolex is growing. Can’t fault Rolex for a great business strategy.
Have a great week.
I have both authetic and homages in my collection. 95% of people know nothing about watches but will compliment you if the watch looks good...end of story. I have received more compliments with some of my sub $200 watches than my $3-9k watches. 🤷♂️
Yep!! 100%
Just like the watches that went to the moon I've got a bulova luna pilot but my watch never went to the moon the closest it got was air freight
Haha…right on!!
You say just because it's not illegal, it's okay to wear a copy (homage, sorry). Okay, and what about morally? For years women could not vote. It's was legal for them to not vote and not attend a university. Is that morally correct, just because something is "legal"?
Interesting point. Homage is a moral argument? When does inspiration of design cross a moral line?
Bravo!
Thank you. Have a great week!
Great video. The “no original” argument was compelling, BUT… imagine me wincing just a tiny little bit ;-)
However, value and variety is certainly the biggest factor for me. No, actually, it’s that I’d feel SICK wearing a watch that cost 5 grand. Particularly when there’s a Christian school in Pakistan struggling to exist. Heck, a used Submariner would fund the whole school for 4 months! Lives and eternities should be more important than our vanity.
Sorry. I started to rant.
Excellent point.
Through what methods can someone support the Christian school in Pakistan?
Amen!
Thanks for watching.
Serica doesnt have the name on it also 😂
It does, check at the six.
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Swiss watches were trash they cloned and copied everything no one wanted them you were trash talked for buying a Swiss knock off and now look at the prestige everyone claims comes with owning a Swiss watch now china is doing the same thing and I think that’s were the real issue comes from the World is made at chinas government 😂😂but yet most seikos are made in china so I don’t mind a Seiko homage at all because I can afford to find out if I like a watch that’s costs $1000 or more or not for a faction of the price no way I’d want to pay $1000 or 2000 or more for Seiko only to find out I don’t really like it
Great comment. Funny how things come full circle…and in the late 70s early 80s it was all about quartz movements. Thanks for sharing.
I don't get your argument as long as it gets , you're just canceling the whole concept of " brands " , brands has values attached to them whether it's material value or emotional and some brands have iconic designs attached to them , those who are copying these are typical example of stealing someone sucess and using it for their own benefits and even the buyer is buying it for the same reason that he likes the design but finds it difficult to pay the price the original designer is asking for and is happy to show people around that he appreciates that iconic design which in most cases of copying is done for luxurious brands so for the most he is someone that has the taste and the means to indulge such an iconic design when actually he is just another pretender trying to show something he is not.
This homage thing is a miss- used term , its correct definition should be inspiring but in reality it's used to cover copying from a legal perspective that's all same like fake diamonds they give you the looks that most people will pass but not the true afficionados who can notice it from across the room.
iconic brands borrow ideas and rebrand as their own. In the research world, when an idea is presented in a paper, the author must cite their source. Only the conclusions section of a research paper contains text without citations. Likewise, all watches ignore the citation of inspiration or ideas from other brands folded into a design. It’s the kettle calling the pot black when the lack of citing inspiration by big brands or critics of homages say, ‘they’re stealing someone’s success.’ Watches are an evolution of ideas dependent upon the ideas and innovation of prior designers. And their design are dependent upon others. Not buying the emotional charge and assumption you’re making of anyone else’s motive for buying or wearing a watch. Whether that be a Seiko speed timer, Raymond Weil, Longines, or any other Daytona homage. These are all big boy brands staking the success from Rolex? And Rolex created the Daytona without ANY inspiration from any other watches prior to the design of the Daytona?…right. Rationally impossible for Rolex to be 100% responsible for the design.
Save the assumptions about motivation and first ask why someone wears the watch they’re wearing. Arrogance precedes the judgment.
I don’t have anything against homage watches but your arguments are so full of logical fallacies, straw man, weak analogies, and red herrings it’s impossible to break down on a UA-cam post.
Again, spend your money on whatever you want but damn…
Please provide one straw man argument broken down.
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lmao "there is no such thing as an original watch". this entire video is sad, i have my fair share of clomages and luxury watches but the way you approach the topic just paints you as a man coping hard.
Specifically, with what do you disagree? You really went out on limb by calling the video sad...my approach wasn't to your liking...that makes a great case. I'm genuinely interested in the specifics and whether or not the examples you give are actually sound, defensible...extend beyond personal preferences and feelings. So far, you've grounded your claims in....hollow rhetoric.
Yet i don't see a Casio f91w homage in your collection, that's not what you're trying to fool people with, not an obscure Breguet watch either. Nope you go for the iconic and expensive stuff because you like people to think you spent the money. That's not illegal but your rationalization is pathetic.
I don’t have a Casio homage? I didn’t put any Casios on the table. You should ask before you assume.
Hamilton Khaki is far from expensive, Iconic, yes. Specifically what part of my ‘rationalization is pathetic?’
Do you have Casio homage watches?
SKMEI, Golden Hour, Forrader, Proking....even Timex. Did I go for enough cheap stuff? Golden Hour and Proking were highlighted in an earlier RN/First Responder video dedicated to cheap watches. Waiting to see your evidence that my "rationalization is pathetic." Your claim....you defend it.
Okay, since you asked,I wasted 5 minutes checking out your other videos. As I thought, when it comes to cheap beaters, you buy original.
By your logic, this is still a waste of money on potentially lesser watches right? Why not buy the superior homage Casios? They're legal, better value, and you even get a larger choice of color.
Watch my video and pay attention to the rationale for any watch I purchase. I’m not opposed to buying an omega, etc. I look for value. I give multiple reasons for why I choose the watches I buy…based on value. I explain why I buy the homage and/or ‘originals’. I don’t isolate to cheap homage or luxury homage whether Casios or big boy brands. I’m not opposed to any watches except illegally branded watches. Homages are everything else…it’s a spectrum.