I've used Tetra SafeStart + several times. Following the dosing directions and chucking in a frozen shrimp as an ammonia source and I had it cycled in 7 days or so. But I always caution that just because you're numbers have gotten to the correct levels doesn't mean your bacteria colony can handle a bunch of fish right away. I'll add one or two hardy fish from my stock plan for the tank and wait a couple more weeks.
I just use API Tap Water Conditioner, Tried Seachem Prime but I think its overpriced and not sure the ammonia protection does much if you have soft water anyway.
I got seachem stability. Not gonna lie I don’t see any difference. It helps but I hear Fritz is way better and I’m tempted to change. But the Seachem Prime is amazing for me personally. I love that one
Seen so many people report the same with seachem stability on various forums mate, I guess that's why they try don't release much information on whats actually inside of it.
Seachem is *notorious* for making all sorts of claims and not backing up those claims in any way whatsoever. Not to say their products are all bad, but just because they'll support some claims doesn't mean you should assume all the other claims (which they straight up refuse to prove) are also true. And even when they do: Matrix surface area, for example. Matrix DOES have a ton of surface area, but when presented with evidence from multiple well run tests showing after 6 weeks (when the surfaces get plugged up) 20ppi foam outperformed it by more than a factor of 10, they refused to comment.
Totally agree mate. Seen a couple of people test products from the Seachem range now and I was surprised by how small of a difference they seem to make.
@@GlassBoxDiaries yeah. I've tested Fritzyme 7 and Stability myself, and while my tap water is pH 7.6, I run a decent amount of KH, and my tanks are all at 25C so I'm right in the window, I've found that they both worked... Kinda. They seemed to speed the process, but it still takes around 3 weeks to be cycled. And both were *extremely* expensive. I did use Prime and Stability for a fish in cycle once (absolutely had to move my Siamese Algae Eaters out of two tanks into a new tank of their own - they were eating my Cory and Pictus catfish fins) and that process did work as advertised. Tested parameters twice a day, followed instructions, and that got the new tank cycled very quickly, HOWEVER I also tossed in an enormous moss ball (roughly football sized) from an established tank so it's entirely possible that bacteria on the moss did the heavy lifting. Personally, I'm not buying more of either. While I did find they genuinely did work *to a degree*, the cost was extreme for what effectively saved a week or two, and frankly at this point I have so many plants that new tanks start out heavily planted with bacteria covered plants anyways, sometimes with a cycled sponge filter too, and that works instantly vs waiting weeks and spending a lot of money.
@@Wintersdark Yea thats something people often seem to forget about these bacteria in a bottle products. They have a high price tag but in the grand scheme of things, may save you a week or two when cycling a new tank. I just don't think its worth it, especially with so many people reporting little to no effect when using them but still having to pay their high price tag.
Absolutely. I read an article written by a chemist where he asked Seachem how Prime 'detoxifies' nitrate, a claim they make for the product, as he wasn't aware it was possible, and surprisingly they did respond, with something along the lines of "We don't know _how_ it works, we just know that it does."
I think they’re just lying salesman. I just do water conditioner 🤷 My brother has koi in his pond, and he doesn’t use any chemicals. And they have been alive for 6 years 😂
I've used Tetra SafeStart + several times. Following the dosing directions and chucking in a frozen shrimp as an ammonia source and I had it cycled in 7 days or so. But I always caution that just because you're numbers have gotten to the correct levels doesn't mean your bacteria colony can handle a bunch of fish right away. I'll add one or two hardy fish from my stock plan for the tank and wait a couple more weeks.
Yea its a good plan to slowly ramp up the stocking :)
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What about water conditioners? Do you have recommendations?
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I just use API Tap Water Conditioner, Tried Seachem Prime but I think its overpriced and not sure the ammonia protection does much if you have soft water anyway.
Great research and info. I don't use them anymore though and let plants, macro flora and fauna do their thing 👍
Cheers mate, yea I honestly think its the best way, plants and time for everything to naturally form seems the best way.
What about the fluval brand?
I didn't know they had one mate. I would guess it would be similar to all the others.
I got seachem stability. Not gonna lie I don’t see any difference. It helps but I hear Fritz is way better and I’m tempted to change. But the Seachem Prime is amazing for me personally. I love that one
Seen so many people report the same with seachem stability on various forums mate, I guess that's why they try don't release much information on whats actually inside of it.
Seachem is *notorious* for making all sorts of claims and not backing up those claims in any way whatsoever.
Not to say their products are all bad, but just because they'll support some claims doesn't mean you should assume all the other claims (which they straight up refuse to prove) are also true.
And even when they do: Matrix surface area, for example. Matrix DOES have a ton of surface area, but when presented with evidence from multiple well run tests showing after 6 weeks (when the surfaces get plugged up) 20ppi foam outperformed it by more than a factor of 10, they refused to comment.
Totally agree mate.
Seen a couple of people test products from the Seachem range now and I was surprised by how small of a difference they seem to make.
@@GlassBoxDiaries yeah. I've tested Fritzyme 7 and Stability myself, and while my tap water is pH 7.6, I run a decent amount of KH, and my tanks are all at 25C so I'm right in the window, I've found that they both worked... Kinda. They seemed to speed the process, but it still takes around 3 weeks to be cycled. And both were *extremely* expensive.
I did use Prime and Stability for a fish in cycle once (absolutely had to move my Siamese Algae Eaters out of two tanks into a new tank of their own - they were eating my Cory and Pictus catfish fins) and that process did work as advertised. Tested parameters twice a day, followed instructions, and that got the new tank cycled very quickly, HOWEVER I also tossed in an enormous moss ball (roughly football sized) from an established tank so it's entirely possible that bacteria on the moss did the heavy lifting.
Personally, I'm not buying more of either. While I did find they genuinely did work *to a degree*, the cost was extreme for what effectively saved a week or two, and frankly at this point I have so many plants that new tanks start out heavily planted with bacteria covered plants anyways, sometimes with a cycled sponge filter too, and that works instantly vs waiting weeks and spending a lot of money.
@@Wintersdark Yea thats something people often seem to forget about these bacteria in a bottle products.
They have a high price tag but in the grand scheme of things, may save you a week or two when cycling a new tank.
I just don't think its worth it, especially with so many people reporting little to no effect when using them but still having to pay their high price tag.
Absolutely.
I read an article written by a chemist where he asked Seachem how Prime 'detoxifies' nitrate, a claim they make for the product, as he wasn't aware it was possible, and surprisingly they did respond, with something along the lines of "We don't know _how_ it works, we just know that it does."
I think they’re just lying salesman. I just do water conditioner 🤷 My brother has koi in his pond, and he doesn’t use any chemicals. And they have been alive for 6 years 😂
I have asked a couple of friends in the hobby and none of them have noticed any benefit to using them either.