I didn't believe my eyes, he actually put on 18". Incredible! That's it, I'm putting on 18" Aeros from Model 3 on my Model Y. Better efficiency, better ride. Better car. I don't care about looks. Thank you very much Bjørn! I was hoping 18" will come out on top.
A week since I took a new model Y in Netherlands. For the last 480 km, average consumption 157Wh/km. 80% highway (100km/h), other city traffic, standard wheels 19``
@@agzand Yea, but that’s illegal in the Netherlands most of the time. Max speed is 100 km/h during the day and 120 km/h or 130 km/h between 19:00 and 06:00 on some roads.
@@thny no, Bjorn was a bit confused...numbers mean that the average consumption during the last 50km was lower than the total trip of 100+ or 250km during Bjorn's checking.
The rubber height of the stock tires: 255 * 0,45 = 115 mm The rubber height of the 18": 235 * 0,55 = 130 mm If the stock tires are too bumpy, people can always try to underinflate them 0.1 to 0.2 bar below advertised. To increase comfort. Björn got the right 'weight class' tires with a rating of 102. That is plenty. Always smart to double check. The wider stock tires provide more grip than the narrower ones resulting in slightly better acceleration, shorter braking distance and higher cornering speeds. At the expense of slightly higher consumption (when using similar tires,rims / aero caps). These were my thoughts after just 1 minute into the video...so...now going back to it, because...ABC Always Binge video before Commenting....uhhhh. Total wheel diameter is 0.5% larger with the 18". So could cause around 0.5% under reporting compared to the stock 19". Is well with in spec off course.
I have seen yesterday a video about the police version of the Tesla Y. There I have seen 245/55 R18 tires. So I discussed this on Facebook in a German Tesla Y group. There a comment was, that they use in Norway 235/55 R18 winter tires. Asking UA-cam for “Bjorn Nyland tesla Y tires”, I discovered this video. Thanks very much, because the 235/55 R18 tires are much cheaper than the 255/45 R19 tires.
The rim is only 1 " smaller and the total wheel size is practically the same. The model Y does have a higher stance than the model 3, because of the 3ish cm higher ride height. The wheel arches look a bit more 'empty' because of that I think.
Søren Christensen lmao wow the only thing you got right is it’s cheaper and charges faster. Too bad there are only a fraction as many chargers that can even offer that rate, compared to the prolific supercharger network for the model Y. You know why it’s cheaper? Because it doesn’t offer as much. The *only* thing the Ioniq offers is charging time. On every single other front you’re compromising something to get it’s lower price. Yeah I think I’ll take it’s longer range, better acceleration, sentry mode, advanced autopilot, 360° cameras, massive supercharger network, constant OTA updates, highest possible safety rating, and better cargo space for the added price. But you do you 🤷🏼♂️
Glad to hear those 18" tires ride much better. I just ordered a set of 18" wheels from martian and went with same size 18" tires you did. I dont even get my model Y til Nov. :)
love your videos.. keep them coming! Ive been waiting for news on when the model Y might be available in the UK finally... the wait is painful! I'd love to see you do a video comparison between the pros and cons of the model X plaid vs model Y (when the X is available!)
@@juveopera3698 20 inch wheels and tyres are not "stock tyres", those are the cool looking wheels and tyres, you can't compare them with another vehicle with 19" aero
@@matteocomelli9587 so Björn tests enyaq and id4 with the biggest possible 21 inch tires and can’t test the model y with the biggest and best looking 20 inch tires on model y?)))
20 inch ist standard with the GTX. Also Björn should only test a Model Y with 19 inch wheels since in the EU countries (hence Norway is not EU) smaller than 19 inch is not legal (smallest size in the CoC conformity document), otherwise insurance claims in case of accident are automatically rejected.
Great video Bjorn, as the owner of a 2021 MIC model 3 SR+ I can confirm that Tesla do not include consumption from air-conditioning when the car has stopped, I noticed that my battery was down to 3% and the car had only used 41kwh so I contacted Tesla service and they confirmed that the car uses power via the air-conditioning after the car is parked especially during the warmer weather and this accounted for the extra battery being used. The Tesla service technician confirmed this energy is not recorded on the screen.
Hi Bjorn! Just realized the rims are mounted in wrong direction, the rim spokes should rotate with the thin part on front. Look at the photos on their site...
Another 14 min defence video, Bjorn everyone know already that Tesla is one of the best when it comes to range efficiency and charging so it’s not really needed. It almost feels like you are panicking to make it look good. Just enjoy your favorite car and give us your pure joy of driving a Tesla instead of caring of what other people say. The content will be so much more enjoyable for us normal people (non fanboys/non haters) 👍😊 ps. Meant as a tip so don’t kill me I still like you anyways! 😉
I have a May/21 build (Freemont) MY and I have the larger 82kW battery. It was showing 530km range at 100%. (My guess is Tesla uses 150kw/km when guessing range) You nailed everything, I am seeing incredible efficiency in normal city driving and have averaged 167kw/km over 10,000 km which includes two 2000km trips through the mountains. Bombing around the city I am seeing 135-145kw/km average on most days. I am running stock 19” tires with aftermarket “Replika” wheels. When I have my hitch mount platform bike rack I only see my efficiency drop to an average of 175kw/km at Canadian highway speeds (100km-110km/h) So the new Panasonic battery packs are making it into the NA builds. The battery capacity is supposed to improve by 20% over 4 years through improved chemistry.
I would like to put 18" wheels on my model y 2023. Tesla do not recommend that because car wasn't tested on that wheel. Is it legal? Can I do it safely? What ET should I use?
Yes you can install those Tesla mainly goes for the looks. I just picked up my Model Y performance a few days ago and plan to get 18 inch Martian Wheels just not sure about which design and color to get MW05 or MW03 but I'll be installing 235/55r18 tires with correct load/speed rating to match the current tires. Only negative will be cornering ability won't be as planted as current stock 21 inch with wide 275 rear and 255 front tires but Ill get much better cushioned ride and longer range plus less money to replace 18 inch tires in the future.
Here's another way to look at this: 0:40 - BN doesn't like how it drives (suspension); Tire and rim change 4:43 obd data does not match the data on screen 8:46 it seems it doesnt charge as one might expect on specific chargers 10:06 Offset the heating 'problem' after charging (very usefull tip BTW) 11:08 and 13:58 tomorrow BN will test with the original tyres BN's tests do tick more boxes than the Model Y IMO and remember, ABPopcorn!
I think the tire change is effecting the range. Most people will use this with the original tires. I think it would have been better to test it with those. Was the id4 tests made on 20 and 21 inch wheels (I believe 20 and 21 means in 255/45-20 and 255/40-21)? Ok, I just reached the end:) great that you will test the stock tires. I am interested about the difference. It would be great to see it with 21" as well, but I do not want to ask too much ;)
Bjorn, looking forward to see the Q4 Sportsback or ID5 in comparission - the range should be about 20km more than ID4GTX on 21inch wheels and if you even have 19inch wheels on it instead 21 - the comparission would be fair and my expectation is that Q4 Sportsback 50 then beats T Y in this aspect. In addition, the LFP batteries in the winter (in NO and Alpin ones) would maybe change your present conclusion already. Too me I would share your opinion when the new batteries would be built in, holding the high expectations raised then the package certainly will be the benchmark. LFBs I would never buy for Swiss Winters as even BYD for my solar roof is claiming - NOT really usable in freezing conditions - means LFB requires too much grey power for battery heating what kills the efficiency totally
Bjorn, to my knowledge, the average consumption on the energy screen is calculated on the sampling period of the screen (last 50 km in the case of the vid). The trip consumption is calculated from the beginning of the ..... Trip. This explains why the values are different.
Hello Björn, thank you for your very consistent test of this car in comparison to other. Could you check on how much current each of the motors draws if you are doing the 90 and 120 km/h test drive on plane surface and inclination? I suspect that one motor (likely the front one) could operate in an idle mode quite often. There is no setting for deactivating one motor, right? Thank you for your work. Oliver
Björn, could you please do your readers/listeners/watchers a favour: Could you place your 2 own links "Results" and "Main folder" as first ones, so that they are as easy to find as before?
Good job Bjorn, but I can't help to think that with some small changes to your spreadsheet, you have an even better comparison: To properly compare efficiency, you should also take wind and temperature (and potentially even rain) into account. With a few simple formulas you can compensate for this, so the cars can be compared better (apples to apples). You already have temperature in a column, wind can be added (there must be some history retrievable for the days you tested). Especially wind can be a huge factor and driving the same stretch of road up and down does not compensate for this. What do you think? I'm curious what would happen to the figures.
Can anyone tell me if stock M3LR 2021 18inch rims and tyres will fit on the MY? I have a spare set and think I might try them on the MY when it arrives.
The 18" Aeros from Model 3 on Model Y should be even more efficient, because the tested 18" winrun are not with aero caps. So the standard 19" are really awful for Model Y. Tesla should make the 18" aeros available in the configurator. Good timing would be when the Berlin Y can be ordered with new colours.
I think what people are saying about the efficiency (wh/km) is that it doesn't count when the car is in park. So it doesn't count the efficiency when the car is preheating (before you put it in drive).
@@ivanvarcek2814 Labor costs will increase, tarifs and transport will decrease. This might be a zero sum game. But with the extra production capacity Tesla should be able to lower its gross margin, which I understand is quite substantial right now. The problem might be if Tesla lower the price with 5-10k, the extra demand might make them production constrained yet again, and thus they need to increase the gross margin again.
@@reneh.8817 Yes, you are right about the labor cost. I did a rough calculation and ended up with 173€ extra per car in Berlin vs Shanghai, which is much lower than I expected. Of course Tesla wont give away free money but I think Musk is willing to go for low cost, high volume even if their margins have to go down. All for his mission to end the ICE age
Good to see that most of meb plattform cars are also on par when it comes to efficiency. Now tesla is not the only automaker with the “best” battery/motor tech. This competition is good for the future.
@@bjornnyland point is not that tesla is way more efficient and the rest are not. The point is that many cars are now efficient ( this was not the case 3-4 years back). Its good for us consumers in the coming years. Thats why im excited for the future
"Charging speed not so good. That might be fixed..." Sorry Björn, that is not going to be fixed for this LG battery. Only with the next Battery, for europe that would be the 82kWh LG M50 which could charge faster.
No you won't for example I just got my Model Y Performance it has 21 inch wheels I'm planning to replace the 255/35 r21 tires with 235/55 r18 the 35 compensates for the larger wheel and the 55 compensates for the smaller wheel so overall my tire height stays the same at approximately 28 inches. I'm currently deciding on which wheels to get. BTW the narrower your tires the better EV range or fuel economy for ICE cars.
@@ontheroad2189 It’s great so far I have tsportline 18” wheels/rims that clears my performance models large red brake calipers. I chose to go with cheaper Sailun erange ev tires purchased them from Walmart 150 each. Ride has more cushion especially entering and exiting driveways and efficiency in range has increased significantly. Stop n go driving used to be around 300wh/m now it stays around or below 250wh/m. True test will be driving to Las Vegas soon with this tire and wheel setup with 3 adults and luggage driving at about 73mph. Yes you do need to change rims/wheels if you want to install tires with thicker walls but if you have a Long range or base model then you can shop around locally for cheaper wheels that fit your Tesla only performance models have brake caliper clearance issues when downsizing wheels/rims.
Teslas trip meters do not include everything. According to the car for a specific trip I did, I started with 90%, I used 52kWh, but when charging back to 90%, the car refilled 60kWh
Incorrect. Trip meter *does* include everything. Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/IRLKeLN_wJ8/v-deo.html The reason why you had that big difference was because of charging loss. Watch this to learn more: ua-cam.com/video/iLmIIe9N_aI/v-deo.html
The best E-CUV on the market but compared to the Model 3 a bad deal. You pay allot more money for less range. since the car is wider and longer it could have a wider and longer battery. I bet it has enough room for a 90-100 kwh battery
My Model S Plaid with 21” wheels has about the same consumption at 120km/h as that Mode Y LR with 18” 🤷🏻♂️ Never had the patience to test at 90km/h though…
I tested car yesterday and I really like the car but the only thing for interior that can be fixed is panel in the trunk, there is nothing there. you can see from a back seat what is in the trunk. For my taste looks a bit weird and a bit ugly. I hope they will change that in the future
You can buy aftermarket ones and fit it yourself. Thats a small issue. So many videos on UA-cam for it. They purposely didn't do it because of the 7 seat option.
@@DG-uv3zw It makes no sense anyway. Why do the test TWICE? Why publish the NON STANDARD TIRES FIRST? Is anyone going to replace tires and rims just after receive the vehicle?
@@neuromancerES I think it`s because Bjorn has limited time with the car! He also wants to go on a long trip so maybe that`s the reason he wants more comfortable tires... Anyway, it`s his way of testing, if you don`t like it, there are plenty of others...
Ioniq5 has similar consumption at 90km/h, but it goes way up at 120km/h. However, the Ioniq 5 charges something like twice as fast 10-80%. I would say they are pretty comparable.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 range is so bad? Excuse me, there is 2.5% difference in range at 90 km/h and 15% difference at 120km/h between the two cars. Even if you take the 120km/h purely, then per 100 km it is 3.8 kwh difference. If you did 100 000 km at 120km/h the difference would be 3800 kwh in energy consumed. If you would use only fast charging that's between 1000 and 2000 EUR of extra costs depending on where you live. This is still less than 2% of the vehicle purchase price... and the Model Y LR is ~10000 EUR more than an Ioniq 5 without subsidies. So really if you would ONLY drive at 120 km/h and ONLY supercharge, you would need to do that for 500 000 - 1 000 000 km before the Ioniq 5 becomes more expensive. Of course in reality nobody uses the car like this, so the Ioniq 5 is always cheaper than the Model Y. So yes, please start using your brain :D
Tesla might count everything but why is there such a difference between what the car is showing and the actual consumption according to the charging station? Several UA-camrs have mentioned this in their videos. It seems that the difference is high in Teslas but somewhat lowerr on other EVs. Thanks for the video. Good car. Although not for me - looks like a M3 on Anabolica.Interior design too close to M3 and too streamlined for me liking physical switches. :-) Greetings from Germany.
Tesla is in fact very efficient when it comes to charging losses. I measured charging loss on Model 3 vs BMW i3 and Model 3 had less loss. I can't find the video again.
Yup it matters - You need "Ballon" tires as being more aerodynamic, plus lower rim diameters as storing less rotary energy - no test required as it is simple highschool physics
@@TheBikerWolf1 Yes, that's fine and all, but my point was if the diameter of the wheel itself will change the way the distance is calculated, not range. Will it mess with the odometer for instance? Like, the car only knows about the rotation (not accounting for gps) but not about the distance driven really, it calculates this using the diameter of the wheel.... So I guess you need to configure/tell the car what diameter you are rocking
@@herrjonna2007 no by law it does not as when the diameter of the rim is larger the sidewall of the tire is smaller - the outside radius stays the same (by law)
@@TheBikerWolf1 The original tires were 255/45 R19 (711mm diameter) while the new ones were 235/55 R18 (716mm). I agree, the difference is minimal, but over the course of a car's lifetime, it will add up
@@TheBikerWolf1 difference in overall wheel/tyre diameter between 255/45/19 and 235/55/18 is about 3.6mm I think, so around 11.3mm rolling circumference. Probably not worth worrying about too much.
255/45-19 tires was wider but diameter was smaller than 235/55-18 Now, this model Y electricity consumption will be more than before, lower acceleration and less stability but better comfort.
Have you seen examples before of teslas getting better charging speeds after a while through updates? I saw Kris Rifa's test and it was significantly slower than my 2019 model 3 LR.
Yes different batteries...............LFP with better environmental foot print (less heavy metals and seldom earthling in it) but worse in regard of charging and decharging speed and less costs in production. You can't get it all. The totality of the weakpoints stay normally constant! only the distriubtion of it changes.
with LFP Batteries I would not bet on Tesla plus when reducing the wheelsize to minimum possible 19" and having the same form factor (ID5 or Q4 Sportsback) it does not even need the winter to come.
@@TheBikerWolf1 Can you please stop writing about things you clearly have no idea about. This car does not have LFP batteries. Tesla's are even more efficient in the winter compared to other cars so if anything the gap will increase.
WOW - will the stock tires have even lower consumption?! Will be an interesting follow up! Good choice of tires by the Tesla team and it goes against the argument by Megahjul Norway that their Winrun brand tires are more efficient better than the established brands? :) Or are they only claiming lower noise than stock?
At least in Germany the 18" Ttyes are not street legal, because this dimension is not in COC from Tesla. Please repeat the test with the original 19" tyres.
Very strange trend to go with the wide tires on EVs. It sucks for range... I Ioniq 5 also has the choice between 19"/235 and 20"/255 and the difference in range is 30km WLTP. Why not go with 225mm wide tires and gain even more range??? Mustang Mach-e gets flak for having (slim) 225mm tires, but it's already quite wide compared to the average car out there...
No other reviewer would be so fastidious as to come back the next day just to test the stock tires! That's why Bjørn is the best!
Yeah, Bjørn is a Ninja, like a boss
I didn't believe my eyes, he actually put on 18". Incredible! That's it, I'm putting on 18" Aeros from Model 3 on my Model Y. Better efficiency, better ride. Better car. I don't care about looks.
Thank you very much Bjørn! I was hoping 18" will come out on top.
@@kasmopaya2676 suggest you see his testing of the 19 inch OEM tires and wheels before making that decision. Surprising results.
A week since I took a new model Y in Netherlands. For the last 480 km, average consumption 157Wh/km. 80% highway (100km/h), other city traffic, standard wheels 19``
62 mph is really the sweet spot in terms of range. No wonder you get great efficiency. Try 70-75 mph because that is more realistic for US freeways.
@@agzand Yea, but that’s illegal in the Netherlands most of the time. Max speed is 100 km/h during the day and 120 km/h or 130 km/h between 19:00 and 06:00 on some roads.
It also helps efficiency that Model Y has the same low drag coefficient as Model 3 at cW 0,23 but with a bigger front area of course.
08:11 the number is higher because in the consumption graph only the average of the last 50km is shown.
Should've used the instant range instead, right?
@@thny no, Bjorn was a bit confused...numbers mean that the average consumption during the last 50km was lower than the total trip of 100+ or 250km during Bjorn's checking.
It's awesome to see the different supercharger layouts y'all have over there. So different than the states
The efficiency is about right. I have 16000km so far with stock 19 in wheels and lifetime efficiency is 155 Wh/km
The rubber height of the stock tires: 255 * 0,45 = 115 mm
The rubber height of the 18": 235 * 0,55 = 130 mm
If the stock tires are too bumpy, people can always try to underinflate them 0.1 to 0.2 bar below advertised. To increase comfort.
Björn got the right 'weight class' tires with a rating of 102. That is plenty. Always smart to double check.
The wider stock tires provide more grip than the narrower ones resulting in slightly better acceleration, shorter braking distance and higher cornering speeds. At the expense of slightly higher consumption (when using similar tires,rims / aero caps).
These were my thoughts after just 1 minute into the video...so...now going back to it, because...ABC Always Binge video before Commenting....uhhhh.
Total wheel diameter is 0.5% larger with the 18". So could cause around 0.5% under reporting compared to the stock 19". Is well with in spec off course.
In the end: a joy to watch somebody do something they love. Amazing!
Great test. Model y is my next vehicle…I have been waiting for you to test it.I like seeing the real world tests. Thanx Bjorn…
#metoo but i need 7 seats, so have to wait a bit more.
I have seen yesterday a video about the police version of the Tesla Y. There I have seen 245/55 R18 tires. So I discussed this on Facebook in a German Tesla Y group. There a comment was, that they use in Norway 235/55 R18 winter tires. Asking UA-cam for “Bjorn Nyland tesla Y tires”, I discovered this video.
Thanks very much, because the 235/55 R18 tires are much cheaper than the 255/45 R19 tires.
Looking forward to see what difference the wheels make. I got to admit that I think the 18" looks a bit small on the MY.
These days small wheels are a statement for comfort and utility. The smaller they are, the more I like them.
The rim is only 1 " smaller and the total wheel size is practically the same. The model Y does have a higher stance than the model 3, because of the 3ish cm higher ride height. The wheel arches look a bit more 'empty' because of that I think.
My wheels are 15 inch lol
Fantastic way of testing performance. Back to back change one variable.
You forgot one key aspect of the teslas, and it is POWEEEER! As Jeremy Clarckson would put it.
It`s so underrated. You get best efficiency and race car acceleration at the same time!?
Søren Christensen lmao wow the only thing you got right is it’s cheaper and charges faster. Too bad there are only a fraction as many chargers that can even offer that rate, compared to the prolific supercharger network for the model Y. You know why it’s cheaper? Because it doesn’t offer as much. The *only* thing the Ioniq offers is charging time. On every single other front you’re compromising something to get it’s lower price. Yeah I think I’ll take it’s longer range, better acceleration, sentry mode, advanced autopilot, 360° cameras, massive supercharger network, constant OTA updates, highest possible safety rating, and better cargo space for the added price. But you do you 🤷🏼♂️
Glad to hear those 18" tires ride much better. I just ordered a set of 18" wheels from martian and went with same size 18" tires you did. I dont even get my model Y til Nov. :)
How did the 18" rims fit your Model Y? What model is the rims?
you still recommend the 18 in?
love your videos.. keep them coming! Ive been waiting for news on when the model Y might be available in the UK finally... the wait is painful! I'd love to see you do a video comparison between the pros and cons of the model X plaid vs model Y (when the X is available!)
For theese tests I think you should run original rims and tires, since most people wont change to smaller rims an tires.
No he can’t. Than the model y would not be the most efficient.
@@juveopera3698 it's the most efficient even with stock tyres
@@matteocomelli9587 if you take 20 inch tires on model y and 19 inch on enyaq or id4 not. The cars are very similar in consumption.
@@juveopera3698 20 inch wheels and tyres are not "stock tyres", those are the cool looking wheels and tyres, you can't compare them with another vehicle with 19" aero
@@matteocomelli9587 so Björn tests enyaq and id4 with the biggest possible 21 inch tires and can’t test the model y with the biggest and best looking 20 inch tires on model y?)))
Tip: do a range test of the ID.4 GTX with 19" rims, so we can see if it will get lower consumption with that instead of the 21"
20 inch ist standard with the GTX. Also Björn should only test a Model Y with 19 inch wheels since in the EU countries (hence Norway is not EU) smaller than 19 inch is not legal (smallest size in the CoC conformity document), otherwise insurance claims in case of accident are automatically rejected.
You won`t get significantly better results. q4 Etron 40(Meb platform) is Rwd!!! on 19 and even then results are worse then Y...It is what it is...
@@lbtobl83 whaaat my wheels are 15 inch I'm not legal???
Great video Bjorn, as the owner of a 2021 MIC model 3 SR+ I can confirm that Tesla do not include consumption from air-conditioning when the car has stopped, I noticed that my battery was down to 3% and the car had only used 41kwh so I contacted Tesla service and they confirmed that the car uses power via the air-conditioning after the car is parked especially during the warmer weather and this accounted for the extra battery being used. The Tesla service technician confirmed this energy is not recorded on the screen.
Not true. You will see in the cold winter. Much higher consumption
@@GameOver556 yes off course.
tap on the percentage digits, instead of battery🔋icon.. it will change the numbers from percentage to range in kms
Omg It can’t wait to switch my 21” for 18” on MYP
Hi Bjorn! Just realized the rims are mounted in wrong direction, the rim spokes should rotate with the thin part on front. Look at the photos on their site...
Another 14 min defence video, Bjorn everyone know already that Tesla is one of the best when it comes to range efficiency and charging so it’s not really needed. It almost feels like you are panicking to make it look good. Just enjoy your favorite car and give us your pure joy of driving a Tesla instead of caring of what other people say. The content will be so much more enjoyable for us normal people (non fanboys/non haters) 👍😊 ps. Meant as a tip so don’t kill me I still like you anyways! 😉
I have a May/21 build (Freemont) MY and I have the larger 82kW battery. It was showing 530km range at 100%. (My guess is Tesla uses 150kw/km when guessing range) You nailed everything, I am seeing incredible efficiency in normal city driving and have averaged 167kw/km over 10,000 km which includes two 2000km trips through the mountains. Bombing around the city I am seeing 135-145kw/km average on most days. I am running stock 19” tires with aftermarket “Replika” wheels. When I have my hitch mount platform bike rack I only see my efficiency drop to an average of 175kw/km at Canadian highway speeds (100km-110km/h) So the new Panasonic battery packs are making it into the NA builds. The battery capacity is supposed to improve by 20% over 4 years through improved chemistry.
I would like to put 18" wheels on my model y 2023. Tesla do not recommend that because car wasn't tested on that wheel. Is it legal? Can I do it safely? What ET should I use?
Yes you can install those Tesla mainly goes for the looks. I just picked up my Model Y performance a few days ago and plan to get 18 inch Martian Wheels just not sure about which design and color to get MW05 or MW03 but I'll be installing 235/55r18 tires with correct load/speed rating to match the current tires. Only negative will be cornering ability won't be as planted as current stock 21 inch with wide 275 rear and 255 front tires but Ill get much better cushioned ride and longer range plus less money to replace 18 inch tires in the future.
@@ratukamina I am pretty sure that in case of performance edition, brakes will be too big for th 18".
03:36 - is "Ideal range" what you were looking for, read 491, which matched the display a few seconds later
Thanks for the vid, Bjørn! Cant wait for the Croatia trip
I think the test will be more representative with standard wheels though. Looking forward to that test!
You'll see that test tomorrow and result is even better
@@nordiccalicamper8154 😲!!
Hey, Bjørn
Can you link to the 18” wheels and tires?
It looks like Stock TM3’s but that shouldn’t fit on TMY??
Hello Bjørn
I have put some 18" winter wheels on my Model Y. I was just wondering what tire pressure you used?
I got 174kW max on my MiC MY at a V3 yesterday. But it quickly throttled. Will be interesting to see what you get in your charging tests!
Here's another way to look at this:
0:40 - BN doesn't like how it drives (suspension); Tire and rim change
4:43 obd data does not match the data on screen
8:46 it seems it doesnt charge as one might expect on specific chargers
10:06 Offset the heating 'problem' after charging (very usefull tip BTW)
11:08 and 13:58 tomorrow BN will test with the original tyres
BN's tests do tick more boxes than the Model Y IMO and remember, ABPopcorn!
I agree that the ride is a little harsh. I call it bouncy.
Thank you very much Bjørn, does it need to change rim when changing 18' wheel on my Model Y?
Top video Bjorn
Hello. Very interesting same test with 18 wheels on model s raven and palladium
I think the tire change is effecting the range. Most people will use this with the original tires. I think it would have been better to test it with those.
Was the id4 tests made on 20 and 21 inch wheels (I believe 20 and 21 means in 255/45-20 and 255/40-21)?
Ok, I just reached the end:) great that you will test the stock tires. I am interested about the difference. It would be great to see it with 21" as well, but I do not want to ask too much ;)
Yes tyres were affecting the range, Model Y has even more range with stock tyres.
ua-cam.com/video/tfjGuiPNlDg/v-deo.html
Bjorn, looking forward to see the Q4 Sportsback or ID5 in comparission - the range should be about 20km more than ID4GTX on 21inch wheels and if you even have 19inch wheels on it instead 21 - the comparission would be fair and my expectation is that Q4 Sportsback 50 then beats T Y in this aspect.
In addition, the LFP batteries in the winter (in NO and Alpin ones) would maybe change your present conclusion already.
Too me I would share your opinion when the new batteries would be built in, holding the high expectations raised then the package certainly will be the benchmark.
LFBs I would never buy for Swiss Winters as even BYD for my solar roof is claiming - NOT really usable in freezing conditions - means LFB requires too much grey power for battery heating what kills the efficiency totally
The vehicle in question does not have LFP batteries.
Bjorn, to my knowledge, the average consumption on the energy screen is calculated on the sampling period of the screen (last 50 km in the case of the vid). The trip consumption is calculated from the beginning of the ..... Trip. This explains why the values are different.
Yes, I know that since 2013...
Looking forward to see the EQS range test :-) Not that I can afford it but I find it interesting from a technology standpoint.
Are even 18 inch wheels within spec from Tesla. I thought 19 inch was minimum?😉
I’ve seen people using the M3 18” wheels, but I’ve read these wheels can’t support the MY load/weight.
@@Wasabi9111 see that’s what I’m worried about . By chance do you Know the payload of the y and 3
It will be interesting if you include in calculations consumption watts/100 km. per kilogram. Just another useful criteria for comparison.
Do the stock hankook tyres come with the acoustic foam inside to reduce cabin noise?
Hello Björn, thank you for your very consistent test of this car in comparison to other. Could you check on how much current each of the motors draws if you are doing the 90 and 120 km/h test drive on plane surface and inclination? I suspect that one motor (likely the front one) could operate in an idle mode quite often. There is no setting for deactivating one motor, right? Thank you for your work. Oliver
Nice video as always!
Personally I prefer the stock wheels I have to say!
Björn, could you please do your readers/listeners/watchers a favour: Could you place your 2 own links "Results" and "Main folder" as first ones, so that they are as easy to find as before?
Did you mentioned if the wheel come from TSportline?
Good job Bjorn, but I can't help to think that with some small changes to your spreadsheet, you have an even better comparison:
To properly compare efficiency, you should also take wind and temperature (and potentially even rain) into account. With a few simple formulas you can compensate for this, so the cars can be compared better (apples to apples). You already have temperature in a column, wind can be added (there must be some history retrievable for the days you tested). Especially wind can be a huge factor and driving the same stretch of road up and down does not compensate for this.
What do you think? I'm curious what would happen to the figures.
Can anyone tell me if stock M3LR 2021 18inch rims and tyres will fit on the MY? I have a spare set and think I might try them on the MY when it arrives.
The 18" Aeros from Model 3 on Model Y should be even more efficient, because the tested 18" winrun are not with aero caps. So the standard 19" are really awful for Model Y.
Tesla should make the 18" aeros available in the configurator. Good timing would be when the Berlin Y can be ordered with new colours.
I don't normally care about tyres but man that looks like shit with 18". Björn is a hero for testing these boundaries!
I think what people are saying about the efficiency (wh/km) is that it doesn't count when the car is in park. So it doesn't count the efficiency when the car is preheating (before you put it in drive).
I wish it didn't cost 65.000€ here in Portugal 😕
I wish it didn't cost 71.000€ here in Sweden 😕
Hopefully Giga Berlin can drive the price down closer to 50k in the future
@@parsave4561 that's the big question if giga Berlin will move the price. At least the 10% import duty should be avoided.
@@ivanvarcek2814 Labor costs will increase, tarifs and transport will decrease. This might be a zero sum game. But with the extra production capacity Tesla should be able to lower its gross margin, which I understand is quite substantial right now. The problem might be if Tesla lower the price with 5-10k, the extra demand might make them production constrained yet again, and thus they need to increase the gross margin again.
@@reneh.8817 Yes, you are right about the labor cost. I did a rough calculation and ended up with 173€ extra per car in Berlin vs Shanghai, which is much lower than I expected.
Of course Tesla wont give away free money but I think Musk is willing to go for low cost, high volume even if their margins have to go down. All for his mission to end the ICE age
How wide of a rim do you have for that size tire Is it 8.5 inch wide or 8 inch in wide. Thank you for your time.
Good to see that most of meb plattform cars are also on par when it comes to efficiency. Now tesla is not the only automaker with the “best” battery/motor tech. This competition is good for the future.
Tesla is in fact way more efficient. Watch tomorrow's video with the stock tires.
@@bjornnyland point is not that tesla is way more efficient and the rest are not. The point is that many cars are now efficient ( this was not the case 3-4 years back). Its good for us consumers in the coming years. Thats why im excited for the future
The MEB cars are in fact quite efficient. I have been saying it since last year. But this Model Y just puts efficiency in a totally different class.
Only thing is that you cannot mount the 18 inch tyres on the provided 19 inch wheels.
"Charging speed not so good. That might be fixed..." Sorry Björn, that is not going to be fixed for this LG battery. Only with the next Battery, for europe that would be the 82kWh LG M50 which could charge faster.
Do you already know that the new LG Battery charges faster? From where did you get the name "M50"? Thanks!
Do you lose the height when you go down to 18 in? Same ground clearance?
No you won't for example I just got my Model Y Performance it has 21 inch wheels I'm planning to replace the 255/35 r21 tires with 235/55 r18 the 35 compensates for the larger wheel and the 55 compensates for the smaller wheel so overall my tire height stays the same at approximately 28 inches. I'm currently deciding on which wheels to get. BTW the narrower your tires the better EV range or fuel economy for ICE cars.
How is your 18‘’ wheels going，does it need to change rim as well?@@ratukamina
@@ontheroad2189 It’s great so far I have tsportline 18” wheels/rims that clears my performance models large red brake calipers. I chose to go with cheaper Sailun erange ev tires purchased them from Walmart 150 each. Ride has more cushion especially entering and exiting driveways and efficiency in range has increased significantly. Stop n go driving used to be around 300wh/m now it stays around or below 250wh/m. True test will be driving to Las Vegas soon with this tire and wheel setup with 3 adults and luggage driving at about 73mph. Yes you do need to change rims/wheels if you want to install tires with thicker walls but if you have a Long range or base model then you can shop around locally for cheaper wheels that fit your Tesla only performance models have brake caliper clearance issues when downsizing wheels/rims.
@bjornnyland hur förklarar du winrun t330 har bara D i rullmotstånd när den är så energisnål?
Hej Björn! Ska du inte testa Hankook ion evo på model Y?
Dem kommer sitta på model 3 highland.
How about testing with your trailer? That would give us a full range of possibilities
Would be nice a new test with the 2022 Model Y LR, with the same LG Accu (80 KWh) as the Performance Model Y from Germany
Teslas trip meters do not include everything. According to the car for a specific trip I did, I started with 90%, I used 52kWh, but when charging back to 90%, the car refilled 60kWh
Incorrect. Trip meter *does* include everything. Watch this:
ua-cam.com/video/IRLKeLN_wJ8/v-deo.html
The reason why you had that big difference was because of charging loss. Watch this to learn more:
ua-cam.com/video/iLmIIe9N_aI/v-deo.html
The best E-CUV on the market but compared to the Model 3 a bad deal.
You pay allot more money for less range.
since the car is wider and longer it could have a wider and longer battery.
I bet it has enough room for a 90-100 kwh battery
My Model S Plaid with 21” wheels has about the same consumption at 120km/h as that Mode Y LR with 18” 🤷🏻♂️ Never had the patience to test at 90km/h though…
Would love to see Polestar 2 single-motor LR!
So 18" does work on model Y ? Tesla said to me the impress would be wrong 🤔
The energy cinsumption screen ia over the last 50km, the trip meter is for your whole trip
I know. And I never claimed it was for the whole trip. I think you got a little confused there.
@@bjornnyland No worries. You seemed to be saying it was different
What's the exact spec's for the 18" wheels?
Thanks
I tested car yesterday and I really like the car but the only thing for interior that can be fixed is panel in the trunk, there is nothing there. you can see from a back seat what is in the trunk. For my taste looks a bit weird and a bit ugly. I hope they will change that in the future
Unlikely, the model X doesn't have a parcel shelf either. But there are third party ones you van buy.
You can buy aftermarket ones and fit it yourself. Thats a small issue. So many videos on UA-cam for it. They purposely didn't do it because of the 7 seat option.
Good shit Bjorn
Changing tires and rims makes no sense at all... Do you do that with other vehicles?
He tells you in the video, maybe you should bother watching it?
I think there will be a second test also with stock 19" wheels (part 2).
13:58 thank me later...
@@DG-uv3zw It makes no sense anyway. Why do the test TWICE? Why publish the NON STANDARD TIRES FIRST? Is anyone going to replace tires and rims just after receive the vehicle?
@@neuromancerES I think it`s because Bjorn has limited time with the car! He also wants to go on a long trip so maybe that`s the reason he wants more comfortable tires...
Anyway, it`s his way of testing, if you don`t like it, there are plenty of others...
Any noise test with 18 vs 19? Did I miss a video??
Is it okay to attach the 235/55 to the Model Y with the Model 3 wheels? No problems for that?
smaller wheel and tire improves the milage.
13:58 thank me later...
A lighter wheel and narrower tire.
Ioniq5 was 153wh/km right? I think that's the closest 🙂
Ioniq5 has similar consumption at 90km/h, but it goes way up at 120km/h. However, the Ioniq 5 charges something like twice as fast 10-80%. I would say they are pretty comparable.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 range is so bad? Excuse me, there is 2.5% difference in range at 90 km/h and 15% difference at 120km/h between the two cars. Even if you take the 120km/h purely, then per 100 km it is 3.8 kwh difference. If you did 100 000 km at 120km/h the difference would be 3800 kwh in energy consumed. If you would use only fast charging that's between 1000 and 2000 EUR of extra costs depending on where you live. This is still less than 2% of the vehicle purchase price... and the Model Y LR is ~10000 EUR more than an Ioniq 5 without subsidies. So really if you would ONLY drive at 120 km/h and ONLY supercharge, you would need to do that for 500 000 - 1 000 000 km before the Ioniq 5 becomes more expensive. Of course in reality nobody uses the car like this, so the Ioniq 5 is always cheaper than the Model Y.
So yes, please start using your brain :D
@@dmitri7456 :facepalm:
Only Audi and Ford were close
En terme de confort ?
Tesla might count everything but why is there such a difference between what the car is showing and the actual consumption according to the charging station? Several UA-camrs have mentioned this in their videos. It seems that the difference is high in Teslas but somewhat lowerr on other EVs. Thanks for the video. Good car. Although not for me - looks like a M3 on Anabolica.Interior design too close to M3 and too streamlined for me liking physical switches. :-) Greetings from Germany.
That's charging loss. Same applies to other brands also.
@@bjornnyland understand. But why is the loss that different between the different EVs...
Tesla is in fact very efficient when it comes to charging losses. I measured charging loss on Model 3 vs BMW i3 and Model 3 had less loss. I can't find the video again.
Is it Marcusbil or Marcusail?
MarcusBil (MarcusCar)
All the letters are caps so why would it say MARCUSaIL?
@@Danne89 sorry for my ignorance...😱😉🤙
Will the different sized wheels affect how the car calculates distances?
Yup it matters - You need "Ballon" tires as being more aerodynamic, plus lower rim diameters as storing less rotary energy - no test required as it is simple highschool physics
@@TheBikerWolf1 Yes, that's fine and all, but my point was if the diameter of the wheel itself will change the way the distance is calculated, not range. Will it mess with the odometer for instance? Like, the car only knows about the rotation (not accounting for gps) but not about the distance driven really, it calculates this using the diameter of the wheel.... So I guess you need to configure/tell the car what diameter you are rocking
@@herrjonna2007 no by law it does not as when the diameter of the rim is larger the sidewall of the tire is smaller - the outside radius stays the same (by law)
@@TheBikerWolf1 The original tires were 255/45 R19 (711mm diameter) while the new ones were 235/55 R18 (716mm). I agree, the difference is minimal, but over the course of a car's lifetime, it will add up
@@TheBikerWolf1 difference in overall wheel/tyre diameter between 255/45/19 and 235/55/18 is about 3.6mm I think, so around 11.3mm rolling circumference. Probably not worth worrying about too much.
255/45-19 tires was wider but diameter was smaller than 235/55-18
Now, this model Y electricity consumption will be more than before, lower acceleration and less stability but better comfort.
Acceleration with 18" Winrun is actually better (faster) than the heavy 19" stock tires/rims.
@@bjornnyland Is it double checked by the other way around?
Have you seen examples before of teslas getting better charging speeds after a while through updates? I saw Kris Rifa's test and it was significantly slower than my 2019 model 3 LR.
Yes different batteries...............LFP with better environmental foot print (less heavy metals and seldom earthling in it) but worse in regard of charging and decharging speed and less costs in production.
You can't get it all.
The totality of the weakpoints stay normally constant! only the distriubtion of it changes.
Imagine when they start building this in Texas, it will have the biggest tyres ever.
So I want 4oo mile range, buy early next year???
How stiff would you say the ride is on stock wheels compared to Ioniq 5 on 20 inch wheels?
Ioniq 5 is softer.
235/55-18 is allowed tyre size? So exactly the same like on M3? I agree that more rubber is more comfortable.
It's not the same as Model 3.
@@mcplutt Which size parameter is different?
@@kreandi Model 3 has 235/45R18
I wonder if the widely rumoured air suspension from the new Berlin built vehicle will end up helping comfort of the ride?
Wonder how the model y will compare with the GTX on things like frost and snow, towing and such.
with LFP Batteries I would not bet on Tesla plus when reducing the wheelsize to minimum possible 19" and having the same form factor (ID5 or Q4 Sportsback) it does not even need the winter to come.
@@TheBikerWolf1 Can you please stop writing about things you clearly have no idea about. This car does not have LFP batteries. Tesla's are even more efficient in the winter compared to other cars so if anything the gap will increase.
@@boostav thanks - heard that somewhere, rechecked and you re right . Thanks for clarification
WOW - will the stock tires have even lower consumption?! Will be an interesting follow up! Good choice of tires by the Tesla team and it goes against the argument by Megahjul Norway that their Winrun brand tires are more efficient better than the established brands? :) Or are they only claiming lower noise than stock?
Dude, your roads are so clean ahahahahh
With the horribly bad loading weight capacity, at least the reported weight is accurate. Still. 310kg in addition to the driver is just sad.
Hey Bjørn, question: what's the buzzing sound during your summary at the end?
AC
We should check other cars with non stock rims
At least in Germany the 18" Ttyes are not street legal, because this dimension is not in COC from Tesla. Please repeat the test with the original 19" tyres.
Very strange trend to go with the wide tires on EVs. It sucks for range... I Ioniq 5 also has the choice between 19"/235 and 20"/255 and the difference in range is 30km WLTP. Why not go with 225mm wide tires and gain even more range??? Mustang Mach-e gets flak for having (slim) 225mm tires, but it's already quite wide compared to the average car out there...
1600 kg tow hitch? Show us! :D
How efficent are the charging on Model Y?
you changed the circumferential length of the tire by -13%. do you need to tell the car for the change?
13 %? I think your math is off.
@@bjornnyland ya, you are right, i key-in wrongly R18 as 35%. this is only -0.5% difference. sorry :)
0.3% difference
Nice car but too expensive. In Denmark its almost 20000 EUR more than an Ioniq 5 RWD, where is the RWD version?
The 'how far does it go' question is too simple. I completely agree - efficiency with fast charging is very important.
Wont the speedo be affected with the tyre change ?
That's why I always check GPS speed on every car I test.
0.3% difference.