Tesla Model Y LR range test w/19" stock tires
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The Model Y is a "real Tesla" in that it is designed to have a relatively low consumption at high speeds, and that is what really counts. Maximum range is needed only on long-distance trips, if you drive around town, you rarely think about range or consumption, at least if you can charge at home. The original IONIQ was also designed like this and so it was one of the first "smaller" EVs really capable of long-distance driving. Many other cars, smaller and bigger ones, consume much more energy at highway speeds, but the WLTP, EPA or NEDC numbers don't reflect that if the cars are optimized for city driving and consume less in city traffic.
@@MrGoogle87 he wrote smaller EV... At 4.47m for the original Ioniq, that's still true nowadays
We’ve had our Model Y for about 9 months now. All I know about the range is that the Y can go farther on a charge than my bladder can.
Haha! I'm going to borrow that one!
Imagine consumption testing being done this thoroughly for ICE cars. There would be a lot of surprises.
@@hauptmann25 We are talking 3% differences here. Of course you would see fuel consumption vary with different hub caps and weather, it's just that nobody ever bothered.
@@hauptmann25 Imagine if the hubcaps gave a 13% efficiency increase using that logic. Do the math :)
Actually your logic is flawed and ICE efficiency would be affected exactly the same. It's just that we don't care as much.
It's only cold weather efficiency that doesn't get affected as much in an ICE car because you can use the heat that would be wasted anyways to heat up the cabin as opposed to EVs which have to use energy that could otherwise drive the car to heat the cabin.
When Volvo V50 Driv-e arrived they had flat alloy wheels with only 5 vent holes in them so they obviously made a difference in aerodynamic as otherwise Volvo wouldn't use them.
@@hauptmann25 That's incorrect logic, so that math makes no sense. The hub caps does not provide an efficiency increase related to the drivetrain, they provide a reduction in drag. That means it could be measured as a constant reduction in KW or HP use at a specific speed. As an example, let's say a car uses 40 HP to keep the constant speed, and that the hub caps meant a 2 HP difference. Removing the hub caps would then mean that an EV would have to spend extra energy in the drivetrain equivalent to 2 / 0.9 = 2.22 HP, an ICE car would have to spend energy (fuel) equivalent to 2 / 0.4 = 5 HP to produce the effective 2 HP to compensate for the increase in drag. So the difference in energy use might actually be bigger for ICE cars. There's a reason why car manufacturers have been interested in CW also for ICE cars for a long time...
@@tbnzet I deleted my comments because I realized my math is BS. I am still pretty sure of my initial point tough, that EVs are affected more (percentage wise, not in absolute numbers), by drag etc. Will have to research it again tough to be certain, and find the explanation again.
As far as I know the WLTP includes range below 0%.
They start with 100% and then simply run the car through the cycle until it dies. When the car is dead they plug it in and do a full recharge.
Consumption is calculated: recharged energy / driven distance and so the charging losses are included too.
Somehow yes, but its also done at 50 kmh, at 23 degrees celcius
I’ve seen those wheel caps spray painted black and they look awesome.
To clarify on the WLTP test procedure:
Range is measured until the car stops, therefore including the buffer below zero, same goes with the EPA cycle as well.
Yes, this Y is almost spot on Wltp, despite haters spreading false rumors... It`s impossible to replicate lab conditions...
@@heinim7691 Lol. You don't want to drive a car to 0% unless it has a buffer that is available for use.
Based on your reasoning, a fair test would be one where the Tesla (and other cars that have buffers available for use) are driven to 0%, while the cars that don't have an available bottom buffer are driven to 5%.
@@heinim7691 Yes, The difference between the manufacturers is very minimal when it comes to the size of bottom buffer (the point of indicated 0%).
The difference however is, whether the buffer is available to the driver in case he needs it. Anything below 0% cannot be displayed by the instruments and therefore should not be measured in range tests, just like Bjorn does.
Remember that WLTP and EPA is *not* the same as this test. This test is based on constant speed on highway. Those other tests include city driving simulations.
@@bjornnyland Hey Bjorn. Can I ask about your impression of rear visibility? I have seen some say that the rear beam obstructs vision out the rear, making it even worse than the model 3.
Testing with the 20” turbine wheels?
And now we have Model Y in Sweden as well! Today I met an owner that had taken delivery last week! Holy macaroni!Wow! It was a white long range with dual motors.
With an utter garbage ride quality =(
Could u possibly test the 20 inch induction wheels aswell?? Maybe just the 120km/h test, any will do :)
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Nice of "Stonebark", "About The World Planner" and "Ken Power" to sponsor Bjørn (auto-generated captions FTW).
0:28 "now we put the original hancock tires" 🤣
I recently learned that u can configure in settings what wheels u have on, whether with or without wheel caps too
Tesla's ability to create such amazing efficiency, whilst also retaining their car's insane performance capabilities, are where they lead every other EV manufacturer.
Sure, other cars as fast, but nowhere near as capable at also being efficient. Visa versa, other cars are very efficient (original Ioniq, for example), but completely lack any performance.
Its pretty incredible really.
@@sprockkets not all electric cars are, that's the point. Tesla manage to excel at both ends of the scale.
For instance, the new Mustang Mach E has good economy but terrible performance stats. Why? Its the same cost as a Long Range Model 3, that can easily achieve 4 miles per KWH, yet still have a 0-60 of nearly 4 seconds.
@@truttzi And the Mach-e gets a lot of its efficiency from its skinny 225 tires.
@@sprockkets Yes, performance wise Teslas beat everyone else...unfortunately... they have some utterly idiotic design choices which just bite them in the ass.
I've read that Model Y LR AWD next year will have 90 kwh battery with 600+ km range. Model Y SR+ will have LFP battery with 400 km.
Car and Driver did a wheel cap efficiency test that resulted in ~3% better range too.
the model y doors sound way better when they close compared to the 3s.
But it's still not a premium sounding door...
@@anttiranki3690 i think they struggle with the aluminium doors. they feel cheap and sound cheap. unfortunately weight always makes stuff feel like its expensive
Please compare the 19" with the 20". That would be helpful for many people
Remarkable result for the 120Kmh test, Tesla is still efficiency king! But looking in the spreadsheet, the Audi Q4 is surprisingly efficient with only 8% more consumption for the 90kmh test (while being on rather crappy Bridgestone tires... I never liked Bridgestones)
Also Rwd only. At 90km/h we will never see large Suv/Cuv under 140Wh... Maybe in 10 years...
Guess it is more about the tire compound than the dimension. One might hear higher ambient noise in this test vs the last one.
Have you noticed the wheel caps are actually asymmetric? If you look at it's shape, one side might work aerodynamically better than the other 🤔.
From cycling I know that you'd might think the thinnest tyre is the fastest one, but studies and tests in recent years proved that to be false. The 23mm width tyre, which was a standard for years, is now less popular than 25mm. Now even 28mm is getting pretty popular. All of that because you'll have less rolling resistance when the road surface is not perfectly smooth like a indoor track. So I guess the same thing could happen here, intuition about thin tyres being "faster" is not always true.
It's probably due to the compound of the tires. Less sticky tires = less grip = less resistance
And as Alex Moulton proved back in the 70's, small diameter bicycle wheels have considerably less resistance when rolling than those of a derivative of a Victorian safety bicycle.
It's about lower hysteresis.
The wheel caps will also protect the brake disqs from dirt and rust.
I have put Michelin E primacy 235/45 R18 98Y on my TM3 instead of Pilot Sport 4 and I have 15% less in consomption ! Rolling resistance is very important on electric car.
Useful data, thanks.
Thanks for another informative video. You had a similar result with Model S LR Raven, same temperature, conditions and tire dimensions, and Winrun had significantly higher rolling resistance than Michelin PS4s...
Does the inertia matter as well, or can you recuperate most of the kinetic energy?
E-primacy is very very efficient and for normal driving they're excellent. Another great tires are ecocontact 6 from continental. Also, tire weight is very important.
I am looking for the best in class on winter tire for rolling résistance if you knwo
I now wish to know the tesla turbine wheels numbers compared.
The 18" Aeros from Model 3 have 235/45R18, that would be perfect for the Model Y. I am guessing, they are a little more efficient than the 19". At least more comfort, which is a win I will take, even if they are not more efficient.
@@alexandersaksvoll5373 Indeed, in my opinion too, they look way better than the 19" aeros.
Bjorn! Love your videos. I just wanted to note that the car *is* smart enough to know when you take the wheel caps off - you just have to tell it in the service menu. It's not just for the graphic of the car on the screen either. Apparently the car will also change how it calculates estimated remaining battery percentage upon arrival in navigation.
Did not impact your fantastic testing though!
Great efficiency.
Regarding the suspension, this is a big car which has to balance high performance with presumably heavy(ish) loads, such as 2 or 3 kids all their stuff and luggage etc. It would be really interesting if you get the time to fill her up, and see how she rides.
Good re-test that confirm wheels could influence results. Thanks Bjorn !
Att the same load narrower tires need more tire pressure than wider tires if you want to keep the tire deflection the same. You can calculate this by comparing the tires footprint surface. So if you test with the same tire pressure the smaller tires will deflect more and thus should give better comfort and higher rolling resistance, just what you have shown.
Normally the wider tires still have a lower rolling resistance even when the pressure is compensated (lower) than the smaller tires but at higher speeds the wind drag of the larger frontal area will be greater with wider tires.
4:15 - Those are pretty good looking wheels.👍👍
YOU Are the BEST!! Your work is thorough and concise. No BS. Thanks!!
Thank you for yet another good video. Could not help myself after having watched the comparison between the tyres on these two videos. You could roughly measure the difference of tyre rolling resistance between those two tyre sets by freerolling the car down a slope that ends on a flat horizontal surface and marking each attempt on the ground. Even a short two to three meter difference discovered in a rolling test is monumental when you drive 50 000 kilometers with a set of tyres. Also brand (more expensive) tyres are safer in many ways in various conditions.
Rolling resistance impact is easy to calculate... The aftermarket tire need to have an EU classification in rolling resistance (From A to E), because of EU rules you can find the backround of this classification on the internet and get an rolling resistance coefficient range for that classification letter. now you can use this coefficient and multiply it with the car weight. With this you have a friction force... than multiply it with distance, and you get energy :) (Joule) --> convert Joule to kW/h and you get the rolling resistance of the tire in kwh/100km
Those values aren't comparable since the labelling is done by the manufacture and not a classified institution. Basically these calues are worth nothing but marketing.
@@DanikoLP Manufacturers must comply with the test procedure. These are also very precisely defined in the EU papers. Of course, like WLTP and NEFZ they will cheat and find loopholes, but this is at least an approximate method to calculate the differences. Assuming that the manufacturer report the values correctly.
Rolling resistance is primarily due to deformation of the tyre causing a counter-torque on the wheel, not friction.
You should test those "Martian Wheels" on the 3 & Y long range.
Those wheel caps look a lot nicer than the Model 3 ones to my eyes.
I put them on my black 3 with Chrome trim and they look even better
Hell no, the Model 3 ones look a million times better.
Good story Bjorn😊😊
Great video! Bjorn is the best! Please post a charging test and your predictions of the NMC battery speeds.
Let's hope they will remove wing mirrors soon!
I saw they are going to change wheel caps to black as standard
Is the 31 min to 75% for V3 SC?
Is it okay to attach the 235/55 to the Model Y with the Model 3 wheels? No problems for that?
How's ride quality on 18 vs 19?? Noise test please!!
Car looks better with the caps on. And more efficient 👌
Wheel caps are 4 the same. I would expect that left and right of the car would be mirrored if it had real aerodynamic properties. But on the other hand it is more closed design, so that would be the clue. Closed vs Open. Just like on time trial on the bikes.
What about ride comfort 19” vs 18” ?
It`s better on 18 with more rubber.
@@DG-uv3zw oh I can’t wait to drop my 21” from myp. Handling is good, but I also look into drop 20lb per corner
@@MrNikitir yeah, different people, different needs. It's a 500HP+ beast, can't be a grandma soft ride 😂
Did you take down the front tesla logo or the car came like that??
Marcus took it off.
Hi Bjørn, do you have any plans to test the new Fiat e-Ducato?
Björn...did the recommended tire pressure change compared to the Model3? In Model3 it is 2.9 bar and the tpms will bug you if you dip below 2.6 if I remember correctly.
You were running 3.1 in the Y. So that why I wonder if the recommended pressure is higher in the Y. Does dropping the pressure to 2.7/2.8 change the short bump/bridge experience?
The recommended pressure is the same in the 3 and the Y at 2.9 bar / 42 psi.
Spec is cold tire pressure but Bjørn was stating TPMS hot pressure.
In the US Tesla will update your car's photo if you remove the Aero Caps. Can you add the Performance Boost Upgrade in the EU?
Not by just removing, you got to tell the car in the settings that you had them removed. Same goes for EU.
One way to keep your 19 inch rims but have a smoother ride could be to increase the profile from 45 to 50. This will result in about 3.6% bigger diameter, which is allowed. The question is, will the car consume less energy due to the bigger diameters less rolling resistance or will it consume more due to that the car will be about 11 mm higher???
Awesome to know. Glad I have a Model Y
Hi Bjorn, could you do Model Y range test in WINTER - we are getting Model Y in UK now and weather in UK is 99% WINTER all year long - so will be good to see how well Model Y does in temp around,5 dec Celsius - all please share what temp you set your climate control at when doing the range tests. Thx
If this is Norway’s version of heavy traffic… it’s time to relocate.
Complaints about harsh ride on the Hankooks, I wonder do you check tyre pressures? My new car is also on Hankook S1 EVO3 and came from the dealer with the transit pressures still set. They were at 3 bar, which made the ride very jiggly and harsh. Reset to the correct pressures improved the ride comfort very much (2.5 bar). Your Tesla Model Y was picked up just the other day from Tesla I guess?
Ha! I wrote the above before I got to the summary, where you state you check tyre pressure. Sorry about that!
The correct pressure for Model Y is actually 2.9 bar (=42 psi).
@@fr3238 Fair enough, but I didn't specify my car is a model Y. I just said 'my car', which is not a model Y. It was an example of a cause of harsh ride which Bjorn addressed later in the video. Model Y is not yet available in the UK.
This will be one of the most sought after videos on the channel for quite some time probably! At least until a proper charging test on V3-charger is done to really show the difference between this LG battery and the Panasonic batteries on past Model 3 LR.
Proper charging test is something I would also like to see
@@nienkerk1 it is probably already recorded by Bjorn... :)
You can actually tell the car that you removed the caps in the service menu.
There should be an option in The menu to remove wheelcaps and reeboot now Y Will use The data for wheel without cap and show The car without caps
@Bjørn Nyland: are the wheelcaps designed/optimized for left/right montage (aero) or are all 4 the same design?
They're all the same.
Not sure if it's possible, but how about Hancook tyres on 18 rims? Best of both worlds for ride comfort and efficiency.
I'd go for Michelin 18".
@@bjornnyland I'd go for comfort all the time over high speed efficiency occasionally.
Finding the most economic 18" (is there a 17" or 16" wheel/tyre combination that would suit?🤔) would be interesting.
@@FFVoyager as I’m getting older, I’m finding the MY ride too firm for my taste.
@@Wasabi9111 have you tried Bjorn’s suggestion of 18in Michelin? For me an uncomfortable ride trumps efficiency and would put me off a Y completely.
@@jdavison8551 I’m not a MY owner yet. I love the car and have gotten many friends to buy one. But as I’m getting older, I’m looking for a more comfortable and quiet ride. I’m waiting for the Ioniq 5 to make my final decision.
Hi Bjorn I saw you decided to switch to 235 55 R 18 tyres because this is too harsh with 19 inches which I fully agree.. Do you know if this is a tyre Size recommended by Tesla and what if an accident occurs in terms of responsibility?
I wished i could use the dimensions of the MachE or the new michelins ev tires on the ev6. 225 is fat and 18“ expensive enough. 400€ for one tire…for the egolf i could get almost 4.
Caps ooooooonnnnnn....................caps off
Hey Bjorn, great content as always. I’d love to come to Norway and rent a model Y from Marcus Bil - do you know if he’s offering them to Tesla Bjorn followers yet..? :)
i have similar on prius and the wheel cap makes 2% on the total wind drag.
so I made the right choice, great to see
try lowering your tire pressure to 2.9 bar. will make a huge difference on how it handles bumps and still give decent range, (per Elon)
It was already at 3.0 bar.
I wish TMY was more comfortable since most of the driving is on motorway and I will never take it on a track. My bet is that most people never will either.
Wheelcaps FTW
Hye Bjorn. Hye all Tesla fans. Great video as usual. If i want to put an 18 inch wheel for confort, what model of wheel (zax) should i choose with michelin ? Big thanks
I have a LR Model Y MIC
Like a ninja!
Did the “slowdown” you mentioned had something to do with the numbers in this video? Its strange that 18 inch had worse efficiency than 19 inch wheels. Something isnt quiet right with this video bjørn. You should redo the test maybe, and for reference drive together with for example id4 GTX.
It might as well be that fresh tires (regardless of brand) has higher consumption than "burned in" tires. 18" Winrun tires were brand new whereas 19" Hankook had some significant distance on them.
@@bjornnyland yes that would be the case, but why did the id4 you tested with 20 inch wheels drive almost 450km? Is it only a myth that smaller wheels are more efficient?
The 20 inch wheels are quite aerodynamic. Look at that video and you will see. I think people (maybe including you) misunderstand the myth. Large wheels itself doesn't increase consumption. But lager wheels are often wider. And that will increase consumption. Except for that softness of the tire also affects rolling resistance.
I hope third party start to make 19 inch caps , rimetrix is the only hope at the moment
Have you done the "knock test" on the dash and doors? What do you think about the build quality of a 700k NOK car?
This is not 700k NOK car...
More like Swedish prices, 719k SEK which according to my calculations is 725k NOK! Hey, wait a minute, is the Swedish crown suddenly worth more than the Norwegian? Have to celebrate!
@@danielstefanovic2604 so you mean the politicians should subsidise EV more or tax cars like they do in Norway or Denmark?
@@danielstefanovic2604 so tax like the in Norway, highly unlikely unless the Green Party gets in majority!
Now looking forward to test of a Q4 SportBack which has the same shape as the Y! Or ID.5 when it arrives.
You should have tried 235/50/R18. 235/55/R18 is higher then 255/45/R19, that’s why rolling resistance is higher
ABC =Always bring caps
Yes. Sometimes you need to pop a cap to protect yourself.
Björn, did you test if Model Y underreports the distance as other Teslas?
I didn't because I don't do the regular full length to Rudshøgda and back again. Either way, as you probably have seen in many other videos, errors usually corresponds to just 1-2 Wh/km.
@@reneh.8817 Yes, you are right, Teslas usually overreport the distance.
As I’ve been saying, Model Y is much less efficient than Model 3, even though they are rated nearly the exact same.
Very impressive wow narrow tires had higher consumption! Mit busted 😄
Or fresh tires vs used ones.
Rubber compound and rolling resistance is probably more important than dimension. I see @Bjørn Nyland do a future test with 10 different tires included a used set!
Winrun seems to be energy class C, Hankook Tesla version is most likely B. A would be best.
There has to be a reason Ford is using such narrow tires on the Mach E? it is even heavier than the Model Y too. I wish someone would do braking tests and even lateral G. I don't know what the results would be, but I imagine we'd see some interesting disparities.
255 narrow? Daaamn my car has 215... -_-
Looks much better on these wheels than those aftermarket ones!
Wow, I never knew how soft you were Bjorn. You think the model Y is harsh? Lmao.
I hear the BYD Han and Tang are now available in Norway?
You should do a side by side comparison with Tesla Model 3 and Model Y (range , acceleration, charging speed, price, etc)
I think a lot of ppl are keen to hear how these compare directly. Nothing on UA-cam yet doing this clearly in English.
Keep up the great work!
As far as I know, only Tang, not Han.
198 views and no comments ? how incredible !
Because most people comment AFTER they watch the video
please bro want BYD electric car review, mileage test, charging speed test.
The larger tires are noisier. however the larger tires will provide you a higher top speed and a farther distance per charger because of simple physics :)
The outside diameter remains almost identical, no matter how big the rims are.
TESLA IS THE BEST
Tyre Reviews did an impressive video comparing OE tyres to the same non-OE tyre. ua-cam.com/video/COA630Juf_U/v-deo.html
Thank Bjorn for your effort to test and explain EV like you do. You are the Tesla of EV youtuber, 10 years ahead !
The big German brands are still in the middle of nowhere. Mercedes EQ and BMW iX are just "fossil" cars refurbished with heavy batteries : nice interior, fancy screens taken from previous models but heavy as elephants (2600kg for EQC !), not efficient, 400 km range at BEST, no modern software, no charging network, not even the room of a TM3, no frunk. Audi-VW-Skoda are better because of the EV dedicated MEB plateform but still inferior for many points. Now put the price in it and then you will cry. Or the price is just outrageous for the level of technology (Mercedes-BMW) or it is just slightly over Tesla with less efficiency, less software, less room, questionable interior quality. VW woke up in 2015 with the dieselgate, 6 years later and still not at the level of Tesla… The others just wake up. We are slowly coming to these 10 years of advance and Tesla is moving ! The historical brands have just their name remaining. I hope they will rapidly find real solutions and no more concept cars or this could finish in a disaster. Hopefully it is easier to follow than to be in the front and to be scrutinized like Tesla for each scratch on the paint.
Your very great comment deserves much more readers! 👍
#nocaps
Why don’t you drive once without wheels think about the low compsumtion🤯🤯
Why every one isn't talking about the price of this car?(starting 61k euro in italy) For sure is a good EV but the price is too expensive. I bought a skoda enyaq 60 with some optionals at 33k euro. And the "inexpensive" one (model 3) is 40k!. Beside i have to deal with poor build quality of the teslas. Buying a tesla it's more a trend thing.
Thanks to Tesla you now can choose other brands of EV🙂
When it comes to price itˋs two different products with plus and minus. If you prefer the Skoda of course you should buy it.
@@ulriklindstrom2994 I know that but this does not justify the high price.
@@Dinozz873 Why dont you buy a MG ZS If price is the most important factor?
So, efficient, but terrible ride and medium charging speed.
So, during totally optimal conditions with no wind, cooldown after SC and mild summer temperatures, the TMY is around 10% more efficient than its competitors…Wow, that ”Tesla is 10 years ahead of the competition” argument melted quickly!😳
10% more efficient is actually a significant difference already and at higher speed means you can travel a lot faster.
But the 10 years ahead is not just about the performance, its about the performance at a certain level of profitability and scale of production.
@@bilgyno1 exactly. Plus battery chemistry. Plus energy efficiency to run the software.
Some of those competitors software is so basic or nonexistent so no extra consumption.
4680 at scale? Again bigger gap?
Example: MY at 120 km/h does around 350-360 km. Ioniq 5 at that speed around 290 km. When you drive a long distance, you typically use 70% of the battery (charge 10-80%) so that's 245 km for the MY and 200 km for the Ioniq 5. That means with the Model Y you can drive at that speed for 2 hours, whereas for the Ioniq 5 you drive around 1h40m. So that means more charge stops.
The saving grace for the Ioniq 5 is the high charge speed, but I would have preferred if they had designed it with a lower drag coefficient.
And yes, the 244 Wh/km result for the Ioniq was with a bit of rain and wind, so worse conditions than the Model Y here. But you get the idea.
Having a ride so uncomfortable Tesla fan Bjorn couldn’t tolerate it doesn’t sound like 10 years ahead.
@@omelvold If you been watching the channel for some time, you should have the answers to all those questions.
Winrun tyres are rubbish
So all the haters from yesterday are back in their holes today :D .
Efficient.. yes, ugly.. yes