What's scariest is Joffrey was genuinely amused by the song. He not only doesn't execute him (Joffrey has killed and had people killed for less), he actually gives the musician a choice. Moreover, he's revelled in his cruelty in the past - the fact he doesn't even watch the guy's tongue being torn out means he actually didn't believe he was being cruel. He thought he was being merciful. Such a chilling character.
I don't think "joffrey has killed" anyone, he is not a fighter. He has had plenty of people killed though. I doubt he ever laid hand on anyone himself though, too cowardly for that.
The fact that Cersei watches her son turn more and more into a psychopath and treats it like nothing, really infuriates me (in a good way since these are actors playing awful human beings and really nailing it). Apple don't fall far from the tree.
you can see in her face near the end of the scene that she does realize it is becoming a problem but she is probably unsure if she should try to do anything.
@@robotube7361 that’s the case in the books. The singer begged mercy and Joffrey replied that he would be merciful. Instead of taking both he would give him a choice between keeping his fingers or his tongue, and he was given a day to decide.
That poor guy, he knew as he obeyed the order to perform that he was in for a bad time. The worst part is that Robert would probably have laughed at the song and sent him on his way. Maybe lightly scared him like he did to Lancel, but then he would have laughed about it with Eddard
Robert was a good guy in general, and I agree that he did care about his subjects. After all, Robert told Ned that the only thing keeping the peace was “fear and blood”, which implies he’ll do anything to keep peace in the Seven Kingdoms. Problem is Robert was a great general but a mediocre king. If Ned or even Tywin was the king, Westeros probably would have been a lot better.
@@cashthecurator666 In many ways, Robert was the best king. He just minded his own business and let the lords manage the realm on his behalf. If his succession was secure, I'm not sure there would have even been a civil war on his death. As far as father's go, he wasn't too great at that either but I'm pretty sure a peaceful Westeros would also have meant a Tywin as hand of the king, guiding and controlling Joffrey to limit the worst of his behaviours. Hopefully, he would have had some extra time to address the tyrannical tendencies because that was becoming a threat to the stability of the kingdom and Lannister control over it.
@@arandombard1197 Robert left things to others, which would be okay if all his ministers were good men like Jon Arryn, but he had no idea Littlefinger was doing his best to foment civil war and anarchy (and also putting the Crown hideously in debt) and Varys was plotting to bring the Targs back. If he'd paid more attention he might have figured that out.
wasn't Littlefinger acting on Robert's behalf? Robert threw tons of unnecessary banquets and tournaments for entertainment. he is a good person and a fierce warrior, yet i could never portrayed him as a good King... being ignorant is as bad as being tyrant
You don't understand the scene, why would they clap? The song is mocking Robert baratheon, the lannisters, joffrey. Ofc they only clap because he does, clapping before he does would be very insulting to him THat's why he's being judged here because the song is mockery to the crown
@@tenzinrapgay9746 In a tavern? It's not uncommon for common folk to make fun of their lords and kings, he was just unlucky that the wrongs ears heard and it got up the rank. For every one bard that gets punished, there'd be a 100 others who get off free.
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@Anjelica Snorcket He's saying that your logic "he didn't know he'd get caught" is flawed because he's LITERALLY BROADCASTING it to possibly hundreds of people. Stands to reason he'd get caught. It'd be like me trying to steal while announcing my presence and introducing myself before taking the giant TV from the store...
@Anjelica Snorcket Word spreads. Leak one nude video in the darkest most obscure part of the internet 10 years ago and it may one day be headline news at TMZ. They can't prosecute everyone, but that doesn't mean they won't prosecute anyone. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that...🤦
He was caught singing it, and the person who listened to him the first time was probably checking to see it he was singing the same thing in front of the king, as he did 'in that tavern'. 1:13
He didn’t performed that song in the presence of the king by choice. Someone close to Joffrey (probably Varys) heard the bard singing that song in a tavern. Then the king would give the order to drag that bard into his presence and punish him.
@@Pablothus Varys doesn't enjoy cruelty and gains nothing from the mutilation of this bard. It wouldn't be him. It could be anyone. It could be a random royal guard or a palace worker on their day off in the tavern, overhearing this song. Or just a rumor that started to spread until it reached the wrong ears. Varys would actually do whatever he could to keep this under wraps if he was made aware of it and ask one of his little birds not warn the bard never to do that again, because he risks far more than he's aware of.
"I leave the rest of the matters to you mother"- I love how Joffrey thinks torturing and tormenting random people is his job as king while leaving the governance of the realm (his actual job) to others. What a silly yet brutal vilain.
If I was him, I would have offered to write and sing offensive songs about his enemies all over Westoros, as I cannot do that without my fingers or my tongue.
I mean think about how scared shitless you would of been tho? We have the ability to look at this from a safe point of view but in the moment like that its hard to think clearly.
Joffrey: Very well! But you do not require legs to write, play or sing, do you? Ser Ilyn! You can manipulate Joffrey if you play your cards right, but not after you've pissed him off.
I just noticed how the Hound purposefully blocks Sansa's view and makes her turn to follow Joffrey, so she doesn't have to look at the scene. I hadn't really noticed the subtle ways he tried to protect the Stark girls
Doesn't he, like, show Sansa her own father's head on a pike after this? Thanks for the encouragement to come out here, the Hound. That was a great payoff, seeing my dad's head on a pike
Joffrey probably announced his intention. When he heard about the song, he ordered that the bard be brought to him and certainly mentioned he wanted to have his tongue cut out. The executioner was not there by happenstance, he knew he had a job to do that day.
The funniest part is how Joffrey, after only being there for like 5 minutes, cuts a guy's tongue off, and is like "Well I did my part, that's enough torture for the morning" and leaves😂
I love how they're cauterizing the blade. Like, we're cutting off your tongue but of course we wouldn't want to be responsible for any bacterial infections.
No, I believe firing up the blade wasn't even for disinfecting, they didn't have the idea of pathogens yet. Purpose was to seal blood vessels during the cutting so that the victim won't bleed to death. However they only needed the singer to not die so that he can be observed by citizens as a living example of the king's justice for bad behaviour.
I think it's for blood loss. The tongue is all muscle, I think people have died from bleeding out after losing their tongue. Or they drown in their own blood
@@captainflowers748 For centuries in real life doctors knew about plague and disease, but didn't know about pathogens. It's easy to observe an illness with your eyes. It's much harder to observe microscopic organisms using the same. So people had all sorts of hypotheses for what caused disease, from blood humours to scents to even spiritual failings. When someone first proved the existence of pathogens, the rest of the medical community declared them mad and buried the research because they couldn't bear the thought that they'd been carelessly infecting their own patients via transmitting microbes.
Maybe, but if my father were mocked after his death, and I had absolute power, would do worse. Not while he's alive, he would tell me it is wrong sadly and as I love my family guilt tripping works on me too well.
If Joffrey truly did end up in the Seventh Hell, could you imagine if part of his punishment involved him being forced to listen to the minstrel singing this song for all eternity with a new tongue: Bravely bold King Joffrey Rode forth from King's Landing. He was not afraid to die, Oh brave King Joffrey. He was not at all afraid To be killed in nasty ways. Brave, brave, brave, brave King Joffrey. He was not in the least bit scared To be mashed into a pulp. Or to have his eyes gouged out, And his elbows broken. To have his kneecaps split And his body burned away, And his limbs all hacked and mangled Brave King Joffrey. His head smashed in And his heart cut out And his liver removed And his bowls unplugged And his nostrils raped And his bottom burnt off And his penis split... "That's, that's enough music for now! Now I shall recount my victories in the War of the Five Kings!" Brave King Joffrey ran away. ("No!") Bravely ran away away. ("I didn't!") When danger reared it's ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. ("I never!") Yes, brave King Joffrey turned about And gallantly he chickened out. ("You're lying!") Swiftly taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. ("I'M TELLING MY MOTHER!!!) Bravest of the brave, King Joffrey! King Joffrey the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Father-Jaime - who had nearly fought the Wolf of Winterfell, who had nearly stood up to the his vicious dwarf of an Uncle, and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Blackwater.
What a masterpiece of a show. They made Joffrey's death in his mother's arms so horrible that for a moment you forget what an absolute monster he was. Has to be one of the top villains in television history. Those old enough to remember JR from Dallas remember Hagman gave the character some humanity. Joffrey had none-pure evil.
No, his death was clearly quite painful and I enjoyed watching every second, it didn’t make me sympathize with the young little psychopath at all lol. Especially when he blamed Tyrion, who had nothing to do with it. Sure he wanted to kill Joffrey, but who the hell wouldn’t? Literally everyone wanted him dead
As cruel as this is this would have been the standard punishment for someone who wrote a song making fun of a King's death, especially if that king's son was currently ruling on the throne.
It’s definitely a common punishment in Westeros. In HOTD King Viserys says: I’ll have your tongue! After Lord Belaryion calls Rhaenarys children Bastards.
Aegon made it uncomfortable on purpose. He thought no one should sit easy on it. In fact, not only was it uncomfortable but also dangerous. It had steps and swords on both sides. If one was to fumble and fall they could fall on a sword. The throne is not properly adapted in the show.
@@nicbentulan apparently the role was very difficult, he got a lot of hate from it via social media ( people confusing the actor with the role he played), and the filming days were crazy long.
As a song writer, I just have to say how easy it would have been for this guy to change a few words and make it a flattering story instead of insulting 😂😂
The context didn't let him do that, he was caught singing that in a local tavern by some of jofrey men, so they knew exactly the lyrics of the song, of he changed that un this moment he would be caught anyway and obliged-treathened to sing the real one...
Everyone's freaking out, I'm just remembering the time Henry VIII had Elizabeth locked in the Tower of London as a little girl for singing a children's song he thought was annoying. I can't imagine what he'd have done in a situation like this. Edit: my bad, he had her locked up elsewhere, not the Tower, in 1544, exiled from the royal court in disgrace and stuck under house arrest until the current queen petitioned for her return.
Some kings (and queens, too) have had rather...subjective sense of humor, especially when jokes become at their expense. At time of absolute monarchies, this was know as "Lèse-majesté": "to do wrong to majesty." Usually it involved insulting dignity of a sovereign, such as a joke. What happened then...well, that usually depended on said majesty. I assume that bard didn't think much of it at the time, since Robert didn't take himself too seriously and Joffrey's antics weren't that common knowledge yet.
@@lindsey7951 like it's SUPER COMMON KNOWLEDGE he locked up his wives AND daughters at various times in the Tower of London for random crap, you can Google it???
Shows again how Joffrey doesn't understand a thing. In medieval society, bards and jesters by tradition had immunity from punishment for insulting nobles and the king, since their job was to entertain and sing and joke, and they couldn't do that effectively if they were constantly worried about everything they said offending someone, and since entertainers were few and far between in medieval society, someone who ignored this would find themselves with no one willing to entertain them or their guests. So what does Joffrey do? Destroys the bard's livelihood by taking his tongue.
I’m not saying I agree with what Joffrey did, but I do understand on some level. The show doesn’t really show it, besides a few scenes, but in the books it’s known that Joffrey has a very high amount of respect for Robert. In the show, going off on even Tywin, claiming that Robert won the “real” war by killing Rhaegar, taking the crown & ending the Targaryen’s dynasty There have been kings who have executed men for less & considering Joffrey’s track record, I’d say he was being merciful
Joffrey even expanded the King's Guard from seven to nine members, just to further intimidate that bard. That little knaves will to torment others, truley had no bounds!
@@hydewhyte4364 I'm not sure. I don't recall that scene. I'm almost certain it wasn't in the books since Joffrey is never a POV character in the books.
That was possibly Joffrey's one redeemable trait. He loved his "father". It was fecking unhealthy, but he thought Robert was a great hero and wanted tae be just like him.
I don't think he actually loved him. I think he just aspired to be like him, and if the bard was singing smack about his dad, he was singing smack about Joffrey
@@tom-vf1xv If I remember correctly, he tried to have Bran assassinated because of an offhand comment his father made. He was a crazy little shit and it's possible he couldn't love anything, but he felt something for his "father". At the very least he took him more seriously than he did anyone else.
@@davidprince6877 Robert was the only person other than Tyrion who tried to discipline him when it was called for, but ironically, Robert wasn't particularly good at committing to anything other than his vices. If Robert had actually made a real effort to be a father, and kept his mother out of his way, Joffrey could have turned out better. You can see the roots of Joffrey's sexism, love of violence, and entitlement in Robert's behaviour. Robert was Joffrey's inspiration, even though he never really learned anything from him.
@@mitchellhayward6492 There is more to it though, remember the scene when Cersei was actually and strangely talking and expressing remorse to Tyrion about Joffrey when the kid was born. She made a comparison of herself and Jaime with the Targaryens and their inbreeding issues. She also said that she and even Jaime should had known better about Joffrey when he was a baby, that when he was born he was a normal baby, but after, his cries started to sound strange. Medically and psychologically speaking, psychopathologies can be detected on children at a very early age based on their crying when they are indeed babies, so it was a great add that this was used on that scene. Tyrion being the sentimental guy he is tried to give comfort and encouragement to his sister, showing that he at least tried to be close to her, even when she hated his entire existence. Ironically, Tywin's kids were themselves a product of inbreeding since Tywin's own wife was Joanna Lannister, the last name was hers to begin with because they were in fact cousins...so go figure.
Overt mockery of the king or his father or other family is one of those things a bard or jester can do to spice up his act and add a transgressive thrill to his performance and his life. Often tolerated, too, as part of the normal functioning of a medieval style city or, even, at court up to a point. Right until the moment it isn't tolerated anymore. Anyone entering the barding or jesting trades should learn this sort of thing on day one. It's like rock and roll and drugs. Part of the game until it kills you. Or maybe you get to be the bardic Keith Richards.
What's most terrifying is that Joffrey orders his tongue to be cut out, yet doesn't even care enough to watch it. You'd expect a psychopath to stay and want to admire the brutality, but for this little rodent it was about being able to command it and knowing it'd happen. He didn't even really care for the gore. Maybe more of a sociopath than a psychopath? Both? I think it's both.
There's no distinction between sociopath or psychopath. Both are synonyms of the same disorders. And yes Joffrey fulfills the criteria no doubt, and quite realistically too!
@@XessEmperor Yes there is. Sociopaths are more emotional and capable of feeling some sense of remorse, while psychopaths are cold and feel literally nothing for the people they hurt.
@@adawfaf3842 as a Clinical Psychology PHD student i assure the so called "differences" are a product of pop culture or crime related shows...on the clinical side there really is no distinction. "Psychopaths" which by itself is not a valid term entered the mainstream because of books like The Silence of the Lambs and such (which is a magnificent book make no mistake) and then to dinstinguish the so called erudite killer who thinks about the meaning of the universe while listening to Bach as he strangles his victim from the troubled criminal who comitted violent crimes and was unable to stay out of jail but had no class or formal education cops and the likes used to term "sociopath" as in anti-social and so the myth of the well adjusted psychopath and the violent sociopath emerged but they were and are not a valid diagnostic. There is a single disorder Anti-Social Personality Disorder and what makes people different is a matter of impulse control and intelligence or social adaptability, but since it's a disorder the critteria is measured in scales. There are differences between the people who suffer from it like any other personality disorder but it's the same thing at it's core and in Psychology we never use the term sociopath or psychopath. One can be higly intelligent but have poor impulse control, another be higly adapatable at any given situation but has low intelligence when it comes to planning or difficulty at long-term relationships etc the one thing that truly defines them is a complete lack of empathy and that is the key trait amongst them as well as an inability to learn from past mistakes and comprehend human emotions. They can mimick them but are unable to understand or describe them using their own words. Another misconception is that some are emotionless that is untrue. They have emotions, basic ones such as anger, jealous, excitement, frustration but their brains unlike ours don't understand them since they are unable to get attached to other people and cannot process complex emotions such as love, affection, nostalgia, etc tgese are tge ones they do not possess because well they suffer from a disorder.
@@Zehaha2 I get that but like i said that is a misconception. There is no specific disorder where you are born anti-social and another where you are "made" especially because "becoming evil by trauma" is more of a myth than anything else. Any person with real trauma would show you that. The disorder most likely has a strong biological component in which specific regions of the brain are more difficult to develop, such as getting attached or compassionate to people and then we think it also has a strong social component during the prenatal and natal stage especially as an infant if the caretakers provide to the child on terms off affection or indiference. The combination of the two is the most likely "recipe" and then obviously if something bad happens to you it doesn't help but you were already damaged to begin with. the biological component is probably the stronger one. The difference to people comes more on the way they behave if they exhibit control and sadism or if they're just some archcriminal. But then again it's a difference made by people, on research or clinical level it has no difference to us
As cruel and unlikable as Joffrey was, I believe a punishment like that (or worse) would've been the response of many/most rulers in this movie. As a medieval ruler, you cant afford to not be very harsh in those punishments, or people would lose respect for you, which in turn would spark rebellion. The bard not only mocked his kings' fathers' death, but also his parents' relationship.
And people thought Simon was bad. Whoever told that guy that it would be a good idea and funny to play that in front of that sniveling little twerp of a king, obviously had bad intentions for him 😂
"He who passes the sentence should swing the sword." Meanwhile, Joffrey couldn't even be bothered to watch someone else carry out the sentence he'd just passed.
As cruel and twisted as this was, it does hint at one of Joffrey's few redeeming characteristics which is that he genuinely loved and respected his father, or the man he believed was his father anyway
You know, all things considered, Joffrey must have either actually liked the song besides the lyrics, recognized that Robert probably would have liked the song even if he would have done something similar here, or it must have been just a good day for Joffrey. Because this was surprising merciful and reasonable in this type of culture to just take one or the other.
What really sells the cruelty of this scene is that Joffrey genuinely didn't think he was *being* cruel. Just the opposite, his nonchalance and the fact that he didn't even stick around to watch the punishment just confirms that he saw this as a chore he had to get done
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Man the American Idol judges were brutal in Westeros
This comment is very underrated.
That’s because Joffrey is a judge
You mean Westerosi Idol?
He makes Simon look like a good guy lol
there's one every season
Robert would have dug this song, I like to think the singer used his fingers to write another one about Joffrey's death.
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He can't sing no mote
@@winjiro106 He can have another person to sing it- hell, even form a band
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@@winjiro106 he didn't says the musician would sing, he said the writer would write another song, dumbass.
Jack Gleeson fucking killed at this role. He really made you believe this little bastard was an absolute monster.
Literally
I swear. Holy fuck that dude is brilliant.
He’s legit the greatest child actor I’ve ever seen.
Sad that so many people can't separate acting from reality and treated him like he actually was that monster.
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What's scariest is Joffrey was genuinely amused by the song. He not only doesn't execute him (Joffrey has killed and had people killed for less), he actually gives the musician a choice. Moreover, he's revelled in his cruelty in the past - the fact he doesn't even watch the guy's tongue being torn out means he actually didn't believe he was being cruel. He thought he was being merciful. Such a chilling character.
I don't think "joffrey has killed" anyone, he is not a fighter. He has had plenty of people killed though. I doubt he ever laid hand on anyone himself though, too cowardly for that.
@@JrKengu What came to mind were the whores Tyrion tried to distract him with on his birthday that he shot with crossbows.
He ain't as bad as the dude later on who skins people alive. That saying something.
Wait what?
Or the one who eats people alive.
The fact that Cersei watches her son turn more and more into a psychopath and treats it like nothing, really infuriates me (in a good way since these are actors playing awful human beings and really nailing it). Apple don't fall far from the tree.
Shit parents never take responsibility for how their kids turn out
you can see in her face near the end of the scene that she does realize it is becoming a problem but she is probably unsure if she should try to do anything.
@@jonathankessler7436 Cersei does worse things to a singer in the book, a singer who never did or said anything bad to her.
Well she’s a sociopath soooooo 😂
already too late, the boy was a psycho king, what could change his mind at this point?
Musician: “Every man needs hands your grace”
Part of me thought Joffrey would be vindictive enough to take what he wanted to keep
In his twisted mind joffrey probably thought that granting him a choice is merciful enough.
@@robotube7361 I think he would have gone for the tongue either way. It's more dramatic.
Joffrey might be a monster, but he's no Bill Rawls.
@@robotube7361 that’s the case in the books. The singer begged mercy and Joffrey replied that he would be merciful. Instead of taking both he would give him a choice between keeping his fingers or his tongue, and he was given a day to decide.
@@jeffreyh8840 i don't think you have read the books. the singer's (marillion's) story is completely different in the books compared to the series.
That poor guy, he knew as he obeyed the order to perform that he was in for a bad time. The worst part is that Robert would probably have laughed at the song and sent him on his way. Maybe lightly scared him like he did to Lancel, but then he would have laughed about it with Eddard
Robert was a chill guy, I don't think he ever executed someone cruelly. Most likely, he knew what fate awaited such a cruel king.
Robert was a good guy in general, and I agree that he did care about his subjects. After all, Robert told Ned that the only thing keeping the peace was “fear and blood”, which implies he’ll do anything to keep peace in the Seven Kingdoms. Problem is Robert was a great general but a mediocre king. If Ned or even Tywin was the king, Westeros probably would have been a lot better.
@@cashthecurator666 In many ways, Robert was the best king. He just minded his own business and let the lords manage the realm on his behalf. If his succession was secure, I'm not sure there would have even been a civil war on his death.
As far as father's go, he wasn't too great at that either but I'm pretty sure a peaceful Westeros would also have meant a Tywin as hand of the king, guiding and controlling Joffrey to limit the worst of his behaviours. Hopefully, he would have had some extra time to address the tyrannical tendencies because that was becoming a threat to the stability of the kingdom and Lannister control over it.
@@arandombard1197 Robert left things to others, which would be okay if all his ministers were good men like Jon Arryn, but he had no idea Littlefinger was doing his best to foment civil war and anarchy (and also putting the Crown hideously in debt) and Varys was plotting to bring the Targs back. If he'd paid more attention he might have figured that out.
wasn't Littlefinger acting on Robert's behalf? Robert threw tons of unnecessary banquets and tournaments for entertainment.
he is a good person and a fierce warrior, yet i could never portrayed him as a good King... being ignorant is as bad as being tyrant
I like how nobody claps until Joffrey does. Really shows how much fear he instilled in people.
You don't understand the scene, why would they clap? The song is mocking Robert baratheon, the lannisters, joffrey. Ofc they only clap because he does, clapping before he does would be very insulting to him
THat's why he's being judged here because the song is mockery to the crown
Why was he singing such a song didnt he know the consequences?
@@tenzinrapgay9746 In a tavern? It's not uncommon for common folk to make fun of their lords and kings, he was just unlucky that the wrongs ears heard and it got up the rank. For every one bard that gets punished, there'd be a 100 others who get off free.
He scared the commons not the lords of westros, nobody with actual power respected him
That's how dictators rule.
"The lion ripped his balls off and.... the boar did all the rest." Oof
He was really singing his heart out at that part 0:40
It's accurate
Man , this was so true that Cersei looked grim.
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No one:
Bard: Yes, I'll mock the king's father's death, best idea ever
I should really get onto watching GoT
@Anjelica Snorcket What do you mean he didn't know he'd get caught?
Lmao i was listening again like damn he roasted dude whole family
@Anjelica Snorcket He's saying that your logic "he didn't know he'd get caught" is flawed because he's LITERALLY BROADCASTING it to possibly hundreds of people. Stands to reason he'd get caught. It'd be like me trying to steal while announcing my presence and introducing myself before taking the giant TV from the store...
@Anjelica Snorcket Word spreads. Leak one nude video in the darkest most obscure part of the internet 10 years ago and it may one day be headline news at TMZ. They can't prosecute everyone, but that doesn't mean they won't prosecute anyone. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that...🤦
"Which do you favour, your fingers or your tongue?"
"Your mumma seemed pretty fond of both your grace."
Dawg this would've been INSANE LMAO
no because he'll do worse than cutting a tongue then 😂
How to get flayed alive 101
He would go out as an ultimate legend and bard troll of Westeros
Head it is then
lol I like how the Bard knew he messed up but he kept singing anyway.
He was caught singing it, and the person who listened to him the first time was probably checking to see it he was singing the same thing in front of the king, as he did 'in that tavern'. 1:13
@DarkLadyJade - I knooow.
And he really got into it at the end too.
He didn’t performed that song in the presence of the king by choice.
Someone close to Joffrey (probably Varys) heard the bard singing that song in a tavern. Then the king would give the order to drag that bard into his presence and punish him.
@@Pablothus Varys doesn't enjoy cruelty and gains nothing from the mutilation of this bard. It wouldn't be him. It could be anyone. It could be a random royal guard or a palace worker on their day off in the tavern, overhearing this song. Or just a rumor that started to spread until it reached the wrong ears. Varys would actually do whatever he could to keep this under wraps if he was made aware of it and ask one of his little birds not warn the bard never to do that again, because he risks far more than he's aware of.
"I leave the rest of the matters to you mother"- I love how Joffrey thinks torturing and tormenting random people is his job as king while leaving the governance of the realm (his actual job) to others. What a silly yet brutal vilain.
until Olenna
If I was him, I would have offered to write and sing offensive songs about his enemies all over Westoros, as I cannot do that without my fingers or my tongue.
I mean think about how scared shitless you would of been tho? We have the ability to look at this from a safe point of view but in the moment like that its hard to think clearly.
Yh but Joffrey still could of taken his eyes
you don't need a tongue to write songs, only to perform them
Joffrey: Very well! But you do not require legs to write, play or sing, do you? Ser Ilyn!
You can manipulate Joffrey if you play your cards right, but not after you've pissed him off.
@@vigorousvoid5330 Joffrey would definitely cut the balls of a man who uses "would of" and rightfully so, you deserve it, you illiterate.
I just noticed how the Hound purposefully blocks Sansa's view and makes her turn to follow Joffrey, so she doesn't have to look at the scene. I hadn't really noticed the subtle ways he tried to protect the Stark girls
after a lifetime serving the Lannisters & thier cronies he finally encountered respectable people
The internet romanticize Sandor way too much lol
Doesn't he, like, show Sansa her own father's head on a pike after this? Thanks for the encouragement to come out here, the Hound. That was a great payoff, seeing my dad's head on a pike
Always found it interesting that it's the hound protecting the little wolves.
@@houserhouse He was ordered to, so he has to. He didn't take pleasure in it in the scene
I love how Ilyn just happened to be carrying those tongs that seemed specifically for grabbing someone's tongue so you can cut it out.
He was waiting for that moment for years
He was a royal executioner though, so it isn't really far-fetched if you think about it.
Joffrey probably announced his intention. When he heard about the song, he ordered that the bard be brought to him and certainly mentioned he wanted to have his tongue cut out. The executioner was not there by happenstance, he knew he had a job to do that day.
It happened to him, so he probably kept tongs on his person from then on. Haha.
I'm just amazed he cared enough to hold the blade on the flame for a bit. Gotta keep things clean
The funniest part is how Joffrey, after only being there for like 5 minutes, cuts a guy's tongue off, and is like "Well I did my part, that's enough torture for the morning" and leaves😂
I love how they're cauterizing the blade. Like, we're cutting off your tongue but of course we wouldn't want to be responsible for any bacterial infections.
No, I believe firing up the blade wasn't even for disinfecting, they didn't have the idea of pathogens yet. Purpose was to seal blood vessels during the cutting so that the victim won't bleed to death. However they only needed the singer to not die so that he can be observed by citizens as a living example of the king's justice for bad behaviour.
What you mean yet? This isn’t real history or even on earth 😂
@@efab..no idea of pathogens? Then how do they know diseases? Legit the same thing
I think it's for blood loss. The tongue is all muscle, I think people have died from bleeding out after losing their tongue. Or they drown in their own blood
@@captainflowers748 For centuries in real life doctors knew about plague and disease, but didn't know about pathogens.
It's easy to observe an illness with your eyes. It's much harder to observe microscopic organisms using the same.
So people had all sorts of hypotheses for what caused disease, from blood humours to scents to even spiritual failings. When someone first proved the existence of pathogens, the rest of the medical community declared them mad and buried the research because they couldn't bear the thought that they'd been carelessly infecting their own patients via transmitting microbes.
Irony is Robert Baratheon probably would've loved it.
The only ruler who had a sense of humor
Maybe, but if my father were mocked after his death, and I had absolute power, would do worse. Not while he's alive, he would tell me it is wrong sadly and as I love my family guilt tripping works on me too well.
@@SéaFid Seek help.
@@SéaFid this is why children shouldn't be given absolute power
Bard: I’ll never sing again
Joffrey: Yeah I know
This actor is simply amazing. That slow clap with that particular pose is just too perfect, a masterclass indeed.
Too bad Jack gleeson retired?
@@nicbentulanhe was in a Liam neeson movie recently
@@stevenlindsay23
Oh cool thanks for the info. I think I'll check out reign of fire.
Just imagine what King Joffrey would have done if Nickleback came to Westeros...
I would pay a ticket to see that one :D
Jajajajajajajajajajajajaja
Burn them all!
@Nathaniel Jordon - lol
😂he would of loved that shit this is how u remind me bruz 😭😭😭😂
Bro put his crown down and walked off like he had completed his 9 to 5 😂😂
Who put his crown down?
"I'm done for the day" 😂
Joffrey the Office Worker anyone?
@@agent45625 He's going remote. Using Zoom.
"Yeah, yeah cut out his tongue whatever. Welp. I'm done for the day, have fun mom."
best character on the show.
At what point did the bard believe that this offensive song would be a great hit in Joffrey's court?
My guess:
He sang it in some pub, and then Joffrey got wind of the song and demanded that he perform it.
JustPhilNY Not a bad guess. That explains his nervous appearance and quivering voice.
+The One™ 1.15 he said it
JustPhilNY That's what I thought
If Joffrey truly did end up in the Seventh Hell, could you imagine if part of his punishment involved him being forced to listen to the minstrel singing this song for all eternity with a new tongue:
Bravely bold King Joffrey
Rode forth from King's Landing.
He was not afraid to die,
Oh brave King Joffrey.
He was not at all afraid
To be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave King Joffrey.
He was not in the least bit scared
To be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have his eyes gouged out,
And his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split
And his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangled
Brave King Joffrey.
His head smashed in
And his heart cut out
And his liver removed
And his bowls unplugged
And his nostrils raped
And his bottom burnt off
And his penis split...
"That's, that's enough music for now! Now I shall recount my victories in the War of the Five Kings!"
Brave King Joffrey ran away.
("No!")
Bravely ran away away.
("I didn't!")
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
("I never!")
Yes, brave King Joffrey turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
("You're lying!")
Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
("I'M TELLING MY MOTHER!!!)
Bravest of the brave, King Joffrey!
King Joffrey the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Father-Jaime - who had nearly fought the Wolf of Winterfell, who had nearly stood up to the his vicious dwarf of an Uncle, and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Blackwater.
I love that the bard guy starts to panic yell when Joffrey takes the day off. Like he knows this sentence is not changing and no mercy will be shown 😩
😂😂😂
For some reason this is one of my favorite scenes. I think it just shows how fucked Westeros is now that Joffrey is king.
If I was the king I wuld do the same thing
It's funny and joffrey is always just hilarious.
Your fingers or your tongue my girls always ask me that in bed all the time
@@mariuskristensen1867 Lol hahaha. Finally a good fucking comment here.
O why thank you
'There is freedom of art, but I cannot guarantee freedom after art.'
- Idi Lannister Amin (probably)
I love how Ilyn has tongs ready. He's been waiting for this moment for years.
More likely, he's been doing it for years. Almost as a jeer to him itself, the tongueless tongue taker.
What a masterpiece of a show. They made Joffrey's death in his mother's arms so horrible that for a moment you forget what an absolute monster he was. Has to be one of the top villains in television history. Those old enough to remember JR from Dallas remember Hagman gave the character some humanity. Joffrey had none-pure evil.
I don't know about you but I was cheering while he was dying, not feeling sad.
No, his death was clearly quite painful and I enjoyed watching every second, it didn’t make me sympathize with the young little psychopath at all lol. Especially when he blamed Tyrion, who had nothing to do with it. Sure he wanted to kill Joffrey, but who the hell wouldn’t? Literally everyone wanted him dead
Yeah definitely. I hated him and he deserved to die but at that moment he seemed like the kid he was and it made me feel a teensy bad for him.
@gormenfreeman499I agree fully, but I think you meant "Magna Carta", not carter? 😉
@@GosieKin I think Magna Carter was in the Backstreet Boys.
The acting in these early seasons is absolutely astonishing. Joffrey, Cersei, Sansa, they're all amazing actors
Joffrey and Cersei in particular, they were the best two in the whole show.
this dude just carries tongs around? he's been waiting for this day his whole life
I think Ilyn has always been prepared after his own tongue got cut off.
I thought that 😂
Ser Ilyn Payne. Gotta love a man who takes pride in his work
It likely wasn't the first time he was asked to do that.
He probably licks them when he's alone
As cruel as this is this would have been the standard punishment for someone who wrote a song making fun of a King's death, especially if that king's son was currently ruling on the throne.
It’s definitely a common punishment in Westeros. In HOTD King Viserys says: I’ll have your tongue! After Lord Belaryion calls Rhaenarys children Bastards.
Man that bard knew this could be his very last performance.. he gave it his all.
That chair is probably so uncomfortable. Can't imagine the back pain
I’m sure the crown isn’t either but not for physical comfort it’s about power
Aegon made it uncomfortable on purpose. He thought no one should sit easy on it. In fact, not only was it uncomfortable but also dangerous. It had steps and swords on both sides. If one was to fumble and fall they could fall on a sword. The throne is not properly adapted in the show.
Imagine slipping and sitting on one of the swords.
Joffrey was a excellent villain!! One of my favorites!
Jack Gleeson was legendary as Joffrey! What a fantastic performance
It really is significant that Sir illan was already carrying a tool to assist him in cutting out tongues. This must be a common service for him.
One of my favorite Jeffrey scenes, so chill and amused yet so vicious.
I like how Ser Ilyn had the plyers ready and on him as if he had been waiting years for the chance to cut someone elses tongue out. Lol
The irony is,that Ser Illyn had his tongue out,for offending the king
He’s a torturer he prob carries and entire kit on him at all times
Actor who pkayed joffery is one of the best actors on this show,.his mannarism, attitude and voice modulation everything is perefct
Too bad Jack gleeson retired?
@@nicbentulan apparently the role was very difficult, he got a lot of hate from it via social media ( people confusing the actor with the role he played), and the filming days were crazy long.
As a song writer, I just have to say how easy it would have been for this guy to change a few words and make it a flattering story instead of insulting 😂😂
The context didn't let him do that, he was caught singing that in a local tavern by some of jofrey men, so they knew exactly the lyrics of the song, of he changed that un this moment he would be caught anyway and obliged-treathened to sing the real one...
@@diegosotomiranda4107 oh gotcha I thought it was just some other peasents who told on him
how nice of mr payne to sanitize the knife. Its the details
Instant cauterisation
Everyone's freaking out, I'm just remembering the time Henry VIII had Elizabeth locked in the Tower of London as a little girl for singing a children's song he thought was annoying. I can't imagine what he'd have done in a situation like this.
Edit: my bad, he had her locked up elsewhere, not the Tower, in 1544, exiled from the royal court in disgrace and stuck under house arrest until the current queen petitioned for her return.
Some kings (and queens, too) have had rather...subjective sense of humor, especially when jokes become at their expense. At time of absolute monarchies, this was know as "Lèse-majesté": "to do wrong to majesty." Usually it involved insulting dignity of a sovereign, such as a joke.
What happened then...well, that usually depended on said majesty. I assume that bard didn't think much of it at the time, since Robert didn't take himself too seriously and Joffrey's antics weren't that common knowledge yet.
Sources? Where did you get that story?
@@lindsey7951 high school history book. Henry VIII was a known abuser, I'm not sure why you're so consternated by my statement?
@@lindsey7951 like it's SUPER COMMON KNOWLEDGE he locked up his wives AND daughters at various times in the Tower of London for random crap, you can Google it???
That's hilarious.
Shows again how Joffrey doesn't understand a thing. In medieval society, bards and jesters by tradition had immunity from punishment for insulting nobles and the king, since their job was to entertain and sing and joke, and they couldn't do that effectively if they were constantly worried about everything they said offending someone, and since entertainers were few and far between in medieval society, someone who ignored this would find themselves with no one willing to entertain them or their guests. So what does Joffrey do? Destroys the bard's livelihood by taking his tongue.
hahaha the song is hilarious
I’m not saying I agree with what Joffrey did, but I do understand on some level. The show doesn’t really show it, besides a few scenes, but in the books it’s known that Joffrey has a very high amount of respect for Robert. In the show, going off on even Tywin, claiming that Robert won the “real” war by killing Rhaegar, taking the crown & ending the Targaryen’s dynasty
There have been kings who have executed men for less & considering Joffrey’s track record, I’d say he was being merciful
Joffrey: your fingers or your tongue?
Bard: that’s what she said, my grace!
Joffrey: what???
Bard: what!!
Game of thrones villains are the best!
No...
Yeah
What the hell man 😠
Nah
They certainly used to be before, "Does she like a finger in the bum?"
Joffrey even expanded the King's Guard from seven to nine members, just to further intimidate that bard. That little knaves will to torment others, truley had no bounds!
The only person Joffrey had high respect for was his Father Robert, of course he would be offended by this song.
You mean his mother's husband.
@@hydewhyte4364 To be fair I don't think Joffrey ever finds out Robert's not his dad.
@@PlanetZoidstar Didn't he confront her once about the 'rumours' about her and Jamie?
@@hydewhyte4364 I'm not sure. I don't recall that scene.
I'm almost certain it wasn't in the books since Joffrey is never a POV character in the books.
@@PlanetZoidstar no in season 1 or 2 he asks cersei about the rumour and cersei confronts it
That was possibly Joffrey's one redeemable trait. He loved his "father".
It was fecking unhealthy, but he thought Robert was a great hero and wanted tae be just like him.
I don't think he actually loved him. I think he just aspired to be like him, and if the bard was singing smack about his dad, he was singing smack about Joffrey
He only idolized his strength for selfish reasons
@@tom-vf1xv If I remember correctly, he tried to have Bran assassinated because of an offhand comment his father made. He was a crazy little shit and it's possible he couldn't love anything, but he felt something for his "father". At the very least he took him more seriously than he did anyone else.
@@davidprince6877 Robert was the only person other than Tyrion who tried to discipline him when it was called for, but ironically, Robert wasn't particularly good at committing to anything other than his vices.
If Robert had actually made a real effort to be a father, and kept his mother out of his way, Joffrey could have turned out better. You can see the roots of Joffrey's sexism, love of violence, and entitlement in Robert's behaviour. Robert was Joffrey's inspiration, even though he never really learned anything from him.
@@mitchellhayward6492 There is more to it though, remember the scene when Cersei was actually and strangely talking and expressing remorse to Tyrion about Joffrey when the kid was born. She made a comparison of herself and Jaime with the Targaryens and their inbreeding issues. She also said that she and even Jaime should had known better about Joffrey when he was a baby, that when he was born he was a normal baby, but after, his cries started to sound strange. Medically and psychologically speaking, psychopathologies can be detected on children at a very early age based on their crying when they are indeed babies, so it was a great add that this was used on that scene. Tyrion being the sentimental guy he is tried to give comfort and encouragement to his sister, showing that he at least tried to be close to her, even when she hated his entire existence. Ironically, Tywin's kids were themselves a product of inbreeding since Tywin's own wife was Joanna Lannister, the last name was hers to begin with because they were in fact cousins...so go figure.
He basically wrote a diss track to his dead pops and played it for him lmao
Yo dissing bobby b
Overt mockery of the king or his father or other family is one of those things a bard or jester can do to spice up his act and add a transgressive thrill to his performance and his life. Often tolerated, too, as part of the normal functioning of a medieval style city or, even, at court up to a point. Right until the moment it isn't tolerated anymore. Anyone entering the barding or jesting trades should learn this sort of thing on day one. It's like rock and roll and drugs. Part of the game until it kills you. Or maybe you get to be the bardic Keith Richards.
R.I.P Ned Stark the brave and gentle.
All the elder Starks were idiots.
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay HEY benjen is cool >:(
This is why the High Sparrow didn't show up until Tommen
definitely my favorite Joffrey scene
This should have been ed Sheeran's role
Yes, for singing Shape of You.
@@bkray26 shape of Robert
Which do you prefer? Your tits or your beard?
The role of the bard? I can see that. Offensive bastard! (Said in the way anyone talking to Jon Snow says “BASTARD!”)
lmaoooo
Good job he didn't take a dump on the palace wall.
He'd have had a hot blade put up his.....
Its a good song!
Shoulda sang this for Dany, she would have loved it.
she would've burned him
Joffrey is a perfect example of a villain that you just love to hate because of what an utter bastard they are.
Always grateful for freedom of speech
This was the most noble thing Joffrey did.
Pure disrespect, he had to be punished lmfao
This is surprisingly one of the nicer things this kid has done.
I was SO SURE he'll take whatever he wants to keep, I guess his generosity surprised me this time ! XD
What's most terrifying is that Joffrey orders his tongue to be cut out, yet doesn't even care enough to watch it.
You'd expect a psychopath to stay and want to admire the brutality, but for this little rodent it was about being able to command it and knowing it'd happen. He didn't even really care for the gore.
Maybe more of a sociopath than a psychopath? Both? I think it's both.
There's no distinction between sociopath or psychopath. Both are synonyms of the same disorders. And yes Joffrey fulfills the criteria no doubt, and quite realistically too!
@@XessEmperor Yes there is. Sociopaths are more emotional and capable of feeling some sense of remorse, while psychopaths are cold and feel literally nothing for the people they hurt.
@@adawfaf3842 as a Clinical Psychology PHD student i assure the so called "differences" are a product of pop culture or crime related shows...on the clinical side there really is no distinction. "Psychopaths" which by itself is not a valid term entered the mainstream because of books like The Silence of the Lambs and such (which is a magnificent book make no mistake) and then to dinstinguish the so called erudite killer who thinks about the meaning of the universe while listening to Bach as he strangles his victim from the troubled criminal who comitted violent crimes and was unable to stay out of jail but had no class or formal education cops and the likes used to term "sociopath" as in anti-social and so the myth of the well adjusted psychopath and the violent sociopath emerged but they were and are not a valid diagnostic. There is a single disorder Anti-Social Personality Disorder and what makes people different is a matter of impulse control and intelligence or social adaptability, but since it's a disorder the critteria is measured in scales. There are differences between the people who suffer from it like any other personality disorder but it's the same thing at it's core and in Psychology we never use the term sociopath or psychopath. One can be higly intelligent but have poor impulse control, another be higly adapatable at any given situation but has low intelligence when it comes to planning or difficulty at long-term relationships etc the one thing that truly defines them is a complete lack of empathy and that is the key trait amongst them as well as an inability to learn from past mistakes and comprehend human emotions. They can mimick them but are unable to understand or describe them using their own words. Another misconception is that some are emotionless that is untrue. They have emotions, basic ones such as anger, jealous, excitement, frustration but their brains unlike ours don't understand them since they are unable to get attached to other people and cannot process complex emotions such as love, affection, nostalgia, etc tgese are tge ones they do not possess because well they suffer from a disorder.
The terms differ on whether someone was born with anti social personality disorder (psycho) or made through trauma (socio)
@@Zehaha2 I get that but like i said that is a misconception. There is no specific disorder where you are born anti-social and another where you are "made" especially because "becoming evil by trauma" is more of a myth than anything else. Any person with real trauma would show you that. The disorder most likely has a strong biological component in which specific regions of the brain are more difficult to develop, such as getting attached or compassionate to people and then we think it also has a strong social component during the prenatal and natal stage especially as an infant if the caretakers provide to the child on terms off affection or indiference. The combination of the two is the most likely "recipe" and then obviously if something bad happens to you it doesn't help but you were already damaged to begin with. the biological component is probably the stronger one. The difference to people comes more on the way they behave if they exhibit control and sadism or if they're just some archcriminal. But then again it's a difference made by people, on research or clinical level it has no difference to us
As cruel and unlikable as Joffrey was, I believe a punishment like that (or worse) would've been the response of many/most rulers in this movie. As a medieval ruler, you cant afford to not be very harsh in those punishments, or people would lose respect for you, which in turn would spark rebellion.
The bard not only mocked his kings' fathers' death, but also his parents' relationship.
_"I'm sorry your Grace. I'll never sing it again."_
You don't know how right you are, mate....
Joffrey kind of reminds me of someone in this scene... worrying too much about what people may be saying instead of what matters.
You mean like nearly all of Tumblr and Twitter? XD
@@MegaAniLinkFan aight brony
Joe Biden, Twitter and Reddit? Agreed
Joffrey was the best. Every scene was unpredictable
You'll never get to host the Oscars with that attitude...
I've never been so tense watching a show before until Joffery is in a room with other people.
Not to side with Joffrey but when you have a sociopathic boy King everyone knows is cruel.. maybe not make fun of his dead “father” hah
And people thought Simon was bad.
Whoever told that guy that it would be a good idea and funny to play that in front of that sniveling little twerp of a king, obviously had bad intentions for him 😂
"He who passes the sentence should swing the sword."
Meanwhile, Joffrey couldn't even be bothered to watch someone else carry out the sentence he'd just passed.
Another saying from the dvmbass starks
As cruel and twisted as this was, it does hint at one of Joffrey's few redeeming characteristics which is that he genuinely loved and respected his father, or the man he believed was his father anyway
2:33(Joffrey) ok guys let him go, I was just kidding!
I mean, as much as we all hated Joffrey, I don't think we can blame him for being pissed off in this scene...
My all-time favorite charcater in ANY show I've seen.
I agree that guy really nailed his role as a singer!
@@nelsonchereta816be funnier and id like
That is why it is better to promote a reward for a successful performance rather than threaten punishment.
Lol 1:06 with that grunt like smile, Joffrey looks like he just took an intense shit! 😂
LOL not at all, he just looks cheeky.
You know, all things considered, Joffrey must have either actually liked the song besides the lyrics, recognized that Robert probably would have liked the song even if he would have done something similar here, or it must have been just a good day for Joffrey. Because this was surprising merciful and reasonable in this type of culture to just take one or the other.
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ramsay would have had him flayed alive, stannis would have had him burned alive
Nope
Robert would just laugh and send the singer on his way, maybe even give him a little coin.
@@masterplokoon8803 He loves songs about himself having no balls
I wonder if this guy will come back, having written a song about the lannisters and all their bullshit and have somebody else sing it lol
Podrick!
In hindsight, take my fingers if you must.
Would have been crazier if he said "Fingers it is then."
The slow clap from joffrey 😂😂😂
Joffrey was being very merciful honestly
Are you serious?😐
He really wasn't
@@emperoremyhriv4968 The song was disrespectful as fuck
@@zxylo786 Joffrey Deserved it, But I did feel bad for the guy getting his tongue cut out
The high sparrow would have NEVER been able to do that fuckery he pulled during tommens rule, had he tried it during Joffrey time 😂😂😂😂😂
Ikr!
Westeros needed a firm and wise king like Joffrey
Watching these clips makes me want the whole series again up to season 6 lol
The actor who played Joffrey was just terriffic!
In the books he actually gives him a day to choose.
He most definitely played the part of a sadistic tyrant very well.
Tongue it is!😂
I think he forgot where he was for a second at the end of the song cause he REALLY got into those last couple lyrics.
Finger has more control.
It’s not what the ladies tell me 😏
Tongue or fingers not a hard choice. lol choose the fingers
"Leaving the rest to you mother"
He just wanted to have someone while someone else does the work, great upbringing 😁
What really sells the cruelty of this scene is that Joffrey genuinely didn't think he was *being* cruel. Just the opposite, his nonchalance and the fact that he didn't even stick around to watch the punishment just confirms that he saw this as a chore he had to get done
How could you possible consider this to be a good idea.
I think he’s being forced to perform here…