Actually there are answers to this in the comics. The massacre was mostly started to kill traitors that had killed their supreme leader Argall. They might have also done it for the reason Nolan said, but it was mostly that. What's also funny, is that it was stated that the Viltrumites followed Argall for his wisdom, more then strength.
Makes more sense. Thaddeus was the last surviving Traitor of Viltrum. He said it himself. Which implies others sided with him were wiped out and he had to go underground
What was the civil war over? Because they were already building their empire when emperor Argull was assassinated. So it wasn't over direction. Maybe it was over the next leader but that's not something the entire race would be fighting over. It just doesn't make any sense. Also why would a so called "advanced society" still have a monarchy? That's backwards af.
We kind of Learn in the show that the Viltrumite's whole deal is "If you die, you never deserved to live." So, it being a chaotic bloodbath doesn't matter, the ones who survive are the ones who they believe are the strongest.
Probably something along the lines of “the strongest will find a way not to get unlucky.” Master Roshi says something very similar to Goku in early dragon ball when goku lost the final match of the tournament purely due to luck. He emphasizes that luck is one of the most important aspects in a battle, and since it’s an unremovable obstacle a strong fighter simply has to learn to accept what luck deals him. This is very true in any real battlefield. Now of course it would be easy for the Viltrumites to make a tournament bracket based on seeding of roughly how strong they think each is, and pair every Viltrumite up with another, and put them in a flat space where it’s just them with no obstacles. That will be a very fair fight and would remove a lot of the luck elements to the whole thing. However this is probably unhelpful for determining who will be the best in conquest and actual battle. More is required to do well on a real battlefield than just strength speed and martial arts skill. For example a slightly weaker warrior who can keep his eye on multiple things at once will very likely do better on a battlefield than a stronger one who gets tunnel-visioned in on one opponent. Even though that second warrior, the stronger one, would easily win in a fair luckless 1v1 vs the first guy I described
Imagine if Mark didn’t overthrow the old ways. Viltrume would be reduced to stealing food from planets that would eventually try to poison them in retaliation
@@pIayingwithmahwiiluck isn’t just the environment you’re fighting in. You also have to hope your opponent doesn’t react in a way you didn’t train for (anyone with a brain would rather fight Ryan Hall than prime Genki Sudo)
It would have made more sense to send Viltrumites out to the most dangerous places in the galaxy. If they survive with proof their mission was successful, they're "worthy".
And maybe even create temples that hold the greatest threats to viltrumites, so that when they come of age, they have to go to the temple and prove they can defeat the most worthy prey I mean adversary
@@DeSpaceFairy The Spartans were society of warriors while building and farming was done by slaves They just need to defeat and subdue another race then enslave them to make buildings and other things while the Voltrumites spend their time being strong soldiers
@@baha3alshamari152 Funny, cooperation is the reason why Athens has prevail while Sparta was alone, rigid and brittle, then lost any sort of relevance in the long run.
lol let me help you with that the show fucc this shlt up mark was never that powerfull in the comics lol thula should one shot mark with one bishslap but the show is trying to rush things
This is going to be spoilers ahead for anyone who didn’t read the comics. I find it really ironic how the viltrumes went threw that whole purge to purify and strengthen there race, yet the viltrumes were reduced to a handful and have to procreate outside of their race. Just to save the species. They really fucked themselves over with that survival of the fittest thing.
People who don't know what evolution is always default to thinking that "fittest" means "strongest" It almost never does. A fit *parent* is one that produces the most offspring. The Viltrumites pulled off the exact opposite. Social Darwinists aren't smart.
I think the Viltrumites are no different from humans when you exclude super powers. Our history has had powerful Empires and Civilizations, but they were neglected or misused by future generations overtime. There are other ways an Empire can fall, but internal conflicts are also one of those reasons. Perhaps the Viltrumites hit their peak and had nothing to strive for. This might have pushed some dissatisfied Viltrumites to become extremist and kill Argall as a result or their might have been some type of unfair class system with an overworked lower class and rich elite. Maybe I'm thinking too much, but I think there's a lot of potential. Will just have to wait and see.
@@monkebeaterclover7975Right, plus if we were exactly like the Viltrimite empire without the powers we would have had a nuclear winter 4 or 5 decades ago just wiping every one out at random like the Viltrimites did to have one or two global super powers left. We still have to live here so a nuclear winters something we'd have to consider.
“Neglected or misused by future generations.” Or maybe, just maybe, the people who “built” these ancient empires had no idea how to maintain them other than unending conquest. There never was a plan to keep any of these empires around forever, at best leaders assumed things could stay the same. Human history is filled with examples of people passing the buck down to others, living off of borrowed time. Eventually, all the abuse builds up, the “future” becomes the present, and we get to blame the last generation for all the faults of the first.
@@jean-alexandre5801 Was he trying to kill him? Omni man sliced Lucan's abdomen open, the same Lucan who held Mark down with a single finger, but I get your point.
The strongest viltrumites are able to survive limbs getting torn off and still keep fighting, best example is Lucon where he had his guts out and he still kept fighting. The weakest viltrumite would either die or be too weak to fully recover from something like that. The strongest survive by nature of their genes in Viltrumite society.
I think viltrumites arent really that smart, they are very powerful and all but even their tech is based on other societies they conquered, they remind me of the mongols.
@@jmgonzales7701they probably purged the scientist and engineers Viltrumites because those guys are probably weaker than a trained Soldier Viltrumite. No one left to invent and control stuffs
@@jmgonzales7701they are a fighting society, with enhanced strength to begin with. if You think of Rome, having obligations to fight and them practicing eugenics. they would kill any defected child born and u we’re prepared for the army at 6-7
I just assumed what we saw were not flashbacks, but instead what Omniman believed. This must gave been an extremely chaotic time and to improve any genes must have been much more targeted then we see. Otherwise the Viltrumites which are best at hiding or smart enough to escape early enough would be an extremely significant portion of the species. This must have happened over generations, hundreds and thousands of years of pitting people against each other in set up duels with specific amounts of people. A truly tyrannical regime. What we see, could have been a Civil War at the very tail end which might have killed half of all people. If Omniman grew up in that environment, that is probably what he remembers. After loosing 50% of all people civilization will break down. There will be some time until control is reestablished. While you do that you cannot keep those fights going and it was probably deemed good enough for the ruling class at that point.
Right? It doesn't make sense for such an advanced society to just start a random battle royal like that, I assume it was all planned in arenas of some sort
@@tsuyuasui7297 also, how would this battle royal, wipe out only half? ideally each victor killed exactly one person on average. but in the clip, one of them gets killed by someone, who gets killed by someone else, does that mean, that most of the survivors didnt get any kills?
Nolan omitted the scourge virus, and this was what mark was imagining, as a child who watches science fiction fantasy. Ontop of that, Nolan mentioned that the ones who survived, were the strongest.. and they also survived the virus.
If the Viltrumites were a functional society, then they would be practically unbeatable, and the comic would end with them conquering the entire galaxy. So for narrative purposes, they have to be just as much of a threat to themselves, as they are to others.
the weirdest thing i found about that particular scene is how most of them were able to punch through eachouther just like that. normally strong animals can take theyr own attacks without being mortally hurt or in outher words "fire cant burn fire".
They use techniques but still seems stupid,perhaps it had to do with "smart atoms" so their smart atoms make them stronger,maybe when viltrumitew punch they concentrate their power in their fist and not in other areas so it leaves them slightly more vulnerable in that area
@@PBandJ21 still, a buff guy may be able to break your bones and ribs but he cant really punch through you with such ease. id say its because of selective breeding but thats still not a satisfying answer cuz the unselected would have died long before the hyper strong ones are even born (it would take a LOT of generations)
Ok my counter is the hippo. When the hippo gets in a fight with a normal hippo, their big teeth tend to make easy work on their own thick skin, wheeeas most other animals don’t have that trait, and people need to build a tool for that use.
Clearly when they talk about the "strongest viltumites" they don't just mean the physically strongest, the ones who were able to survive would have had to be not only strong enough but also sharp enough to both survive and perpetuate the massacre until it was over, and keep in mind it most likely lasted thousands of years so those who were able to live that long were probably the cream of the crop
This also doesn't make sense After that you need to procreate with less powerful species like humans , resulting less powerful viltrumites(unless you are the main character of course) And if you want to take other worlds why to reduce your own population, and why to sacrifice 50% of you brains , the technology is the one that make them so strong?
@@tsuyuasui7297Why? Why? Why? I swear you types are so lacking. Some wars lasted over 100 years in history. For a much stronger and longer lived, and fictional, species, it is easy to infer "why" conflict would last longer. It is fiction though, does not need real world logic, it is written for plot reasons. I cannot make this any simpler for you.
@LoneMagpie91 well they dont have the problem of being too far cause they can just fly faster than light and go across the universe in relative times while humans had to go on marches of months to years to just get to their destinations and then camp outside the enemies strongholds
Considering the fact that Mark's powers did not manifest until way after he had past puberty it stands to reason that Nolan would not have cared as much as we would a full viltrumite. Also, we never got to see viltrumites raise their own children. Maybe they do care, but with excessive tough love.
Not necessarily true, there are many reasons why it wouldnt boil down that simple. One of the main ones: Being constantly battle tested in life or death battles boosts Viltrumites even more than age. This is how Mark becomes such a beast.
Thragg looks younger than Kregg and Conquest, yet he can tear both of them to pieces. Viltrumites depend on battle-experience to grow stronger but I think some are just genetically more powerful, kinda how some people are just naturally stronger. There's also a psychological/mental factor. Thragg and Mark seemed more willing to consciously push themselves to their absolute limits more regularly than other Viltrumites.
Thank you. Finally someone else thinks this. I pointed this same thing out in a UA-cam comment several months ago on some other UA-cam video. I think a much better way to guarantee the best survive, they must have like standardised tests for strength, speed, and etc. Then using those results systematically decide the weakest, and kill them off. Somethign like this.
I agree but like do you think they’re just gonna roll over and die? That’s probably also why they’re fighting everywhere. It’s like selective breeding with a Purge
Or just don't kill anyone, lmao. If the average member of your species can fly faster than light and break asteroids with one punch there is no such thing as "weak" genes. You're all superior and possess roughly the same level of power. If the Viltrumites were smart they should've established breeding colonies on countless planets and then they would've had an even larger empire. They're a really dumb species.
That’s kind of the point, they’re a dogmatic imperialist warrior race, they value strength above all else, they’re not eugenicists when it comes to their own race, their idea of strength is clearly strictly material, if you’re killed you deserve to die, if you kill you deserve to live, that is it. The comics make it clear this is the reason for their near demise, they refuse to value anything besides material strength, they can’t see past strength and conquest, and it’s why Invincible is able to rip Thragg’s throat out, and throw his body into the bowels of the sun, that and Eve rebuilding his body stronger than it was before, but thematically that fits as well with Invincible winning through the strength of his attachments to those around him, he wouldn’t have won without Eve and Allen and Rex, but he did, his greatest Allies and greatest enemy came to his aid because he fought for something real and Thragg didn’t, Thragg dies alone and unloved, Mark lives surrounded by loved ones for millennia after Thragg, and the Viltrumite Empire thrives under his rule not as conquerers but as a nomadic race of benevolent warriors aiding all those they encounter. Sure the great purge doesn’t make sense in that it’s illogical, but it makes sense culturally why it would occur under the Viltrumites of that day and age. Also as to Nolan’s attachment to Mark and Debbie, it’s because they’re the first people he ever loved and the first family he ever had in his millennia of existence, all Viltrumites for as long as he remembers in the comics are conceived through rape, or at the very least with no love, cliff notes at the end now, Mark’s arc is about the futility of strength alone, and how strength tempered with compassion is superior to isolated power.
Wait what??? They are all conceived through rape??? But why¿ they are such an advanced society, they could literally just make viltrumites in incubators
You'd think that with their advances in technology and architecture, they should have a better social system, maybe better knowledge in biology? How does anyone go from being that advanced to something that could only realistically happen in the early stages of a civilization's technological advancement? It's too silly.
I think it's just meant to show how flawed viltrumites were, we're told at the start of the series that viltrumites are the best and they're just perfect but as we move on with the story, we learn how really inferior they are with their population and sometimes even genes are as characters like Allen and eventually Eve become some of the strongest characters in the series
Maybe it wasn't just "1-1 fights to the death", but a normal civil war and what is shown is just a fragment. Maybe some factions disagreed with this eugenics. Also, it doesn't seem to be only "the strongest" in genes, but also in mental capacity to kill and etc.
Good point but also Viltrumites aren't exactly the smartest. You'll see if you read the comics, the consequence of this. But ignore the comics, Omni Man is clearly spouting propaganda... it clearly isn't a good method. It's toxic masculinity, physical strength and maybe IQ is most important, not empathy. Either that or they do love their kids on Viltrum and Omni Man was just lashing out. I'm going off the comics I read and I actually surprisingly think it's the latter, but maybe it depends on the Viltrumite. Some are cruel to their kids to get the best kid, some are surprisingly not because it isn't effective. I won't spoil the comics and honestly, I don't know
Another question: when did they decide it was enough killing? Like, what told them that 50% was the right amount? What if the remaining guys fought each other, who was going to win? How did they know they were the strongest, who was the strongest among them and HOW did they know for sure?
3:33 ratio of men to women wasn’t 50%. Just like on earth you could expect 10-20% men f women would make that cut. Are the women fertile for hundreds of years?
Viltrumites do love their viltrumite kids. They’re told not to love inferior half breeds, however much later in the series where viltrumites start breeding with humans on mass, many actually turn from thragg from love of their kids
I thought that, too, but people being smart enough to know where to hide when their society is full of people this brutal and strong may have been smiled up for their cleverness and sense of self-preservation being positive traits to roll into the smaller gene pool.
It’s illogical on purpose - the whole Viltrumite culture is a satire of eugenics and social Darwinism: it’s meant to illustrate the inherent contradictions of these ideologies!
Viltrumites : Oh no , our population is in shambles , what shall we do , lets conquere other planets and assault other viltrumites Also these guys on new year :
Except Nolan adventures in space were more than enough to learn that Viltrumites will need strategy to conquer some places, as they lose if they go with brute force.
You may think all of those dead bodies of Viltrumites where 1% out of 50%ish would survive from their near death experience and came back to life... *Kurt Russell in Soldier*
I didn't literally perceive it as just the physically-weak but rather those they considered ideologically-weak. Anyone who would fight to defend things like freedom of speech didn't deserve to be called a Viltrumite in the eyes of these fascists and so was killed. I figured that while the new Viltrumites were powerful, they weren't particularly more powerful than most of the ones they killed- They just happened to win the civil war and were able to reframe their history as they saw fit.
I think there are massive differences between the strengths of viltrumites, much more so than humans, though we can also see that they can increase their strength exponentially (for instance, take a look at Mark vs Anissa the first time they fight compared to later in the comics where Mark grows much more powerful, putting them on even ground roughly.)
1:33 don’t forget about the ones who teamed up. It’s not like the hunger games where you have to kill your partner, so a group of 4 weak viltrumites taking on 1 strong viltrumite would practically be encouraged.
4:24 That too! They quickly drop this whole genetic superiority thing very fast. Nolan fucks a bug and then that inspires Thrag to quite literally Breed an entire Army by himself. I feel like at the end of it all the writer was trying to find a way to make his Main Character Mark as overpowered as possible at the end of the story. But unfortunately since the power scaling is so inconsistent in invincible it ends up feeling completely hollow at the end.
They didn't. As he sent his child soldiers to war, Thragg consistently scorned them for their inferior strength and even saw their deaths as an opportunity to have the weak among his army weeded out. He only bred them because he needed enough manpower to wage war on the Coalition after being betrayed by the Viltrumites and stripped of his power and exiled alone in outer space.
@@redunicycle7250But that's exactly why it's stupid. If he's willingly able to understand "man power" and "strength in numbers" it makes the culling of his people make LESS SENSE. It's straight up dumb and doesn't make sense why Thrag, Viltrumites, or anything happened the way it did. If he would rather see the bug-hybrids die in battle then why would they ever kill their own people ever? What makes it even worse is that we know it's from a political rebellion. But if politics were really at play then the culling really comes out of nowhere as that has to suggest a large portion of the population agreed to it or that means after a political rebellion they started killing each other for literally no reason. It wasn't them trying to find the rebel forces or even looking for the specific Viltrumite who started the rebellion. They just started killing each other which ultimately made the entire species endangered. So what the hell was the point? Especially when Ragnars and Super Lasers exist it makes their low numbers hilariously bad and it's also inconsistent world building. They show that Viltrumites also apparently use weapons now which honestly makes the idea of "Weaker Viltrumites" make less sense. Fighting with a weapon has literally nothing to do with genetics but they seem totally fine with it. It's a bad story no matter how you look at it
I was interested in that topic, too. So I checked the comics. I also looked through the writings, blogs, posts, and everything of the writers. Nada, zip, nothing. Most of their personal stuff on the issue is just BS they pull out their rear to try and own previous comic book characters and their writers. I did find out that their superpowers are actually artificial. Apparently, it's caused by smart atoms.? My personal head cannon is that when they first figured out how to give themselves those superpowers. That first generation went completely psychopathic because of it. Wiped out every younger generation at the time and had new offspring. From that point forward, they simply worked the psychopathy into their culture. Apparently, the later generations psychopathy was re adjusted by the brain chemystery, making it a cultural feature instead of a drug-induced feature. However, since it was turned into a part of the culture, it stayed right up until their race was wiped out.
Tbh I feel like how flawed it was is part of the point a senseless eugenics social darwinism purge is arrogant and blind this is the kind of shit that happens when you're blindly following this ideology and perhaps eventually the show will make us see the events leading up to the viltramite purge
this actually brings up a good point since it's not like some are born with powers and others aren't, so it puts onto question what where they specifically trying to weed out.
I think that the reason Nolan loved Mark enough was because he was immersed in human society which reformed him. I suspect that viltramite society is very violent so they continuously have that idea of strength over everything hammered into them. I think under normal circumstances they do love their kids but that love is overshadowed by that idea of strength making it difficult to have a real bond.
Viltrumites can recover from fatal wounds, so maybe they had a rule during the war that once you dealt a fatal blow, you had to leave the person on their own to either heal and go back to fighting or die
I mean, it does seem to be the case that, even in there planets, the men are stronger than the women’s when you have a super strong woman was super strength. Naturally, the man was super strength it’s gonna be stronger than she is that doesn’t mean she isn’t going to always lose.
1:02 Try to define luck in that situation, i.e., a stronger person made a move or an action that puts that person at a disadvantage against the weaker and dies in the process? That's the definition of natural selection. Another example: weapon failed and broke - is it unlucky? Put that in the human perspective. We have engineers who can assess the bridge's strength and know when it needs repairs or replacement. Relate that to a single person, and you get a soldier who takes care of his weapon; otherwise, he gets killed. Does someone get unlucky and get into a crowded situation? Another person has a strategy and does not allow for such a situation. It is not a luck or not. It is survival of the fittest.
how they showed this was symbolic. The fight wasn't actually like this. Kinda like how in older movies, if there was a backdrop of a city, if you look close enough it's just some 2d cutouts of buildings. You're not really meant to look that close.
In the "Invincible" comic series by Robert Kirkman, the Viltrumites are depicted as a highly militaristic and expansionist alien race. The event known as "The Scourge" was a pivotal moment in their history. During this event, the Viltrumites carried out a massive purge of their own population, killing those deemed weak or unfit.The rationale behind this brutal culling was rooted in their ideology of strength and superiority. The Viltrumite culture glorified strength, combat prowess, and genetic purity. By eliminating the weak, they aimed to create a society composed solely of the strongest individuals. This practice was intended to ensure that only the most powerful Viltrumites survived, thereby increasing the overall strength and resilience of their race.
Well, this might be a spoiler so heads up The Scourge was actually a bio-weapon made to wipe out the Viltrumites, and since it left so few of them (around 25 iirc), it would make since to create a cover up story They were just outnumbered and needed time to procreate more soldiers
Apparently if i remember correctly, it was some viltrumite emperor who decided to focus on strength and conquest instead of diversifiction. Although the flashbacks looks chaotic, statistically speaking since 50% were wiped out it, it wouldve been similar to a bunch of 1v1 where the surviving half having were mostly stronger. And even if you hid or only defeated weak viltrumites, if your strength was tested and found out to be weak you would be eliminated for being weak. Also the moral of the story was it wasn't a smart decision which is why it kinda seems dumb, however viltrumites could purely rely on strength, instead of diversification they would rely on the slaves of conquered species to advance technology and gather resources. And tactics aren't needed when viltrumites don't need to work together, they just send one to each planet and it's done. So in the end it sounds rather twisted, but it still wouldve been a rather efficient way of mass culling the weak, and if it weren't for the SPOILER viltrumite covid they wouldve been unstoppable.
The theory reminds me of Demon Slayer. The character Giyu only survived and became a Demon Slayer because his friend Sabito took out most of the demons during trials. Giyu was unconscious or tending to his wounds during the trial while Sabito died fighting the most powerful of the demons in the trial. Its been a while but I think they just had to survive a certain period of time. So that particular test the strongest died and the ones he saved went on to join the Corps. Giyu became strong afterwards but Sabito could've been a beast.
I thought it was another video complaining about "luck" interfering in the "selection process" and I would have replied "being able to correctly evaluate risks to maximise luck it's a good skill to select" But instead the video even if short, explained clearly about how for an advanced society that selection wouldn't work or even take place, and I was pleasantly surprised.
Check out human history. Consider Sparta. Consider ancient Greek and Roman infanticide as a form of "birth control" after the fact. Fact can be stranger than fiction.
Sparta wasnt that strong and it fact was mostly a primitive city at the time, they didnt defeated the persians on any of their invasions, Athens and their allies did in both occasions In fact spartans try to avoid direct conflicts as much as possible, and when in battle always took the left flank, the safest one, their army was mostly to keep the Helots from rebeling Thats how thebes defeated them at leuctra eveb being outumbered, by placing the sacred band on the spartan flank in the newly created Phalanx formations Roma wasnt great because of any special breed , they just were organize, had an standing army, good logisitcs and could just keep sending people to the meat grinder, Hannibal crushed the romans over and over again, but they could just build a new army out of thin air and keep sending more and more 😆
@@StoneCoolds Context? What's your point? I'm comparing literature to reality/history. Sparta and Athens both fell because their societies were too focused on one thing. Rome fell because of too much diversity, corruption and being spread too thin considering available resources. Viltrimites parallel Sparta and Rome in many ways at various times in history. So...what's your point?
Far more Rome than Sparta. Spartans were an unambitious city-state that never had the strength or will to expand past its borders; and spent most of its days in quiet fear of their own slaves. Rome didn't fall due to "diversity"; which was one of the only things keeping Rome running. It fell due to pacifist judeo-christian values eroding the militant spirit of Rome into one of meek acceptance, as opposed to ambitious conquest. This in combination with the feeble-minded rulers like Commodus (a product of passing power down by heritage instead of by strength) taking their toll on the empire leads us to The Fall of Rome.
@@johnchestnut5340Diversity in Rome? Where did you get that? Imao, that's just stupid. Rome just expanded too far (giving the time and level of technology they possessed) for Their own good and couldn't keep Empire together against endless attacks from everywhere. I mean becoming Christian and valuing life more may play a factor, but it wasn't even top 3 of them.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж Slaves...that's where the diversity came from. As cultures are conquered, aspects are "absorbed" for better or worse. You could try learning some history.
From my understanding viltrumites aren’t suppose to feel feelings & are just immediately born to be soldiers & the ones born without viltrumite power eventually got killed off
I'm a bit late on the video but in the comics its more complexand in the show will be too this is like a glorified simplified version of events the viltrums tell people and some of themselves too not the full details....They did it to weed out traitors who killed their king Argall....They also took Alot of Argalls potential ideologies and post death with no way to clarify cranked them up to 11 in universal world view.
From what i understand, Viltrumites like thragg only took argalls ideals about strength to the extreme. The culture you see from the viltrum Empire in the series is not the same culture that built the viltrum empire
@Speedofdark339 Yeah it's likein a time of desperation they radicalized in an attempt to stay alive....But yknow this always got me confused because of Viltrum was not that bad originally since its only after thragg that they started conquoring....Then why did Thaedus kill Argall in the first place Since arguablly his death caused more issues later on than it fixed Unless he accidently became a self fuffiling prophecy
@inyalgaico1563 viltrum, like all empires were still imperial and expansionist even under argall. They were likely much, much less brutal about it. Maybe thauddus didnt like how militaristic it was. I dont think they were *anywhere* near as darwanistic either. For E.g, a viltrumite dying wouldn't be considered "weak."
My logic was always that they culled the people that weren't willing to kill and be brutal and calculating. Less about physical strength, more about the strength to "do what's necessary."
I don’t think the “weak” referred to the inferior in terms of strength. As we see in the flashback and in current day viltrumites are constantly backstabbing or using cowardly tactics to get an advantage over their opponent. If someone was insanely strong and killed all the viltrumites but wasn’t smart enough to have all their areas covered they could easily be killed by a much weaker more strategic viltrumite. Meaning that “the strong” referred to those with strong tactics, great strength, etc. Although the only way this would stay consistent is if they did this every 100 years or so as the gene pool will take time to adapt and make significantly stronger viltrumites as a result.
i think it had to do more with a planet level civil war (or world war per se lol) than a everyone against everyone typo of conflict. it had started after argall had been killed and had all of those who opposed viltrumite galactic expansion also killed
I guess even with the Viltrumites, the women are a bit physically weaker than the men... How did they prevent slaughtering more women than men? I guess they aim for a 50 50 ratio?
I don't really like this analysis. A huge factor that Viltrumites are not humans, and they do not share a trait seen in most Western countries' population: individualism. Viltrumites are so communally minded, it's almost a hivemind. They so rarely have individual ambitions that when a few do (Anissa, Kregg, and Luccan get attached to humans), they admit to it in shame. This means that, yes, most Viltrumites were likely completely fine with knowing their lives would be forfeit to better an empire. They also do see winning a fight as being one's overall prowess, including intelligence. Finally, The Great Purge happened before Viltrum was solely focused on conquering the galaxy.
Honestly I feel like this would actually work surprisingly. Well, see anyone that manages to be alive at the end is a survivor and that means you're passing on the genes of survivors. Yes, they might not necessarily be the strongest or most powerful, but he says they might just be the most resilient or adaptable after all. They did survive this and I'm sure the ones that were all hiding were killed off
3:16 the one thing it'd select for is a willingness and capacity for cruelty. It'd serve mostly as a cultural purge and likely remove a lot of genetic errors/weaknesses. There'd probably be very little nut allergies after such an event, but more so, there'd probably be very little people who hadn't fully given themselves to the concept of extreme darwinism. It'd be an ideology purge. 4:20 It likely was like the Roman/Medieval era where the infant mortality rate was so high that they'd often not name their children until they were older, because the likelihood to reach 2 was low, and 10 was lower. Since they live thousands of years, 18 is basically just like 1 month, relatively. If they weren't strong enough at 18, they just tried again, like a calloused society with a huge infant mortality rate.
"What remained was unstopable" if thats the case they were already unstoppable, why not enjoy the benefits of a lower class of soldiers? No army anywhere relies on the very best of the best, the ranks are made up of relatively normal people. My yake is, the viltrumites as we see them now are a failing society. They used to be much more 'normal' for lack of a better word, but the purge was the culmination of some sort of cultural breakdown. The system currently in place is unsustainable. Its only their raw power and long lives that make them seemingly successful to outside perspectives. Even if the virus hadn't done a lot of damage they as a society would have finished collapsing within a few of their generations. Perhaps a few thousand more years.
The comics did much better at explaining it they were fighting a civil war because one side believed they should be conquerors and the other half were peaceful
Actually there are answers to this in the comics. The massacre was mostly started to kill traitors that had killed their supreme leader Argall. They might have also done it for the reason Nolan said, but it was mostly that. What's also funny, is that it was stated that the Viltrumites followed Argall for his wisdom, more then strength.
I think Argall was against other races and I believe he was much nicer tham Thragg ever was.
Absolutely
@@scientistsupreme5211 against other races? wym? or what issue should I read?
Makes more sense. Thaddeus was the last surviving Traitor of Viltrum. He said it himself. Which implies others sided with him were wiped out and he had to go underground
Wouldn’t Argall’s death come after the purge though? Since Omni-man was born after the purge as he mentions?
I think the whole "removing the weak" thing was basicly a sugercoated way of describing they had a massive civil war.
Based
What was the civil war over? Because they were already building their empire when emperor Argull was assassinated. So it wasn't over direction. Maybe it was over the next leader but that's not something the entire race would be fighting over. It just doesn't make any sense. Also why would a so called "advanced society" still have a monarchy? That's backwards af.
Was something like two political parties fighting to control the planet.
Yep, the murder of Argall
@@Pseunoliait was the Virus initially, wasn’t it?
We kind of Learn in the show that the Viltrumite's whole deal is "If you die, you never deserved to live." So, it being a chaotic bloodbath doesn't matter, the ones who survive are the ones who they believe are the strongest.
Pretty much. It’s just a belief system.
@@ashcorrell5504 vidor said it too.
Probably something along the lines of “the strongest will find a way not to get unlucky.”
Master Roshi says something very similar to Goku in early dragon ball when goku lost the final match of the tournament purely due to luck.
He emphasizes that luck is one of the most important aspects in a battle, and since it’s an unremovable obstacle a strong fighter simply has to learn to accept what luck deals him. This is very true in any real battlefield.
Now of course it would be easy for the Viltrumites to make a tournament bracket based on seeding of roughly how strong they think each is, and pair every Viltrumite up with another, and put them in a flat space where it’s just them with no obstacles.
That will be a very fair fight and would remove a lot of the luck elements to the whole thing. However this is probably unhelpful for determining who will be the best in conquest and actual battle.
More is required to do well on a real battlefield than just strength speed and martial arts skill. For example a slightly weaker warrior who can keep his eye on multiple things at once will very likely do better on a battlefield than a stronger one who gets tunnel-visioned in on one opponent. Even though that second warrior, the stronger one, would easily win in a fair luckless 1v1 vs the first guy I described
Imagine if Mark didn’t overthrow the old ways. Viltrume would be reduced to stealing food from planets that would eventually try to poison them in retaliation
@@pIayingwithmahwiiluck isn’t just the environment you’re fighting in. You also have to hope your opponent doesn’t react in a way you didn’t train for (anyone with a brain would rather fight Ryan Hall than prime Genki Sudo)
Viltrumites are basically Kryptonians acting like Saiyans
More like what saiyans would eventually turn out to be alone if the Cold Empire never discovered them
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAylekryptonains have also extra abilities like shooting lasers and x ray visons
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyleDoubt it given there battle lust they would end up closer to Battle Beast but with tomboys instead of furries
@@NoahToledo-xo5pj What about the ozarus?
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle don't evolve Saiyans lose the tail? Broly got it cut and can still use Ozaru power as well
It would have made more sense to send Viltrumites out to the most dangerous places in the galaxy. If they survive with proof their mission was successful, they're "worthy".
yeah, thats classic
And maybe even create temples that hold the greatest threats to viltrumites, so that when they come of age, they have to go to the temple and prove they can defeat the most worthy prey I mean adversary
Like “Invader Zim”? 😂
so the yautja
The most dangerous place in the galaxy is Earth
Tbh I'm not sure concepts like logistics and strategic planning matter much when a individual soldier can literally break a planet.
So, how do reach the point of organised society or something more basic, cooperation and logistics are needed to make just one building.
@@DeSpaceFairy
The Spartans were society of warriors while building and farming was done by slaves
They just need to defeat and subdue another race then enslave them to make buildings and other things while the Voltrumites spend their time being strong soldiers
@@baha3alshamari152 Funny, cooperation is the reason why Athens has prevail while Sparta was alone, rigid and brittle, then lost any sort of relevance in the long run.
It does when you can’t breath in space
It is when your example is canonically how Viltrume was defeated
"What emerged from the ashes was unstoppable"
*Thula who's thousands of years old unable to kill a viltrumite toddler*
Mm yes quite unstoppable.
lol let me help you with that the show fucc this shlt up mark was never that powerfull in the comics lol thula should one shot mark with one bishslap but the show is trying to rush things
Yea, the comic fight was better.
In the comics mark got destroyed, the show is making him look overpowered too early
@@theconmantube3449yep, I think the justification for that was adrenaline but mark is still too young and too unexperienced
nah the toddler got the most unstoppable genes
This is going to be spoilers ahead for anyone who didn’t read the comics.
I find it really ironic how the viltrumes went threw that whole purge to purify and strengthen there race, yet the viltrumes were reduced to a handful and have to procreate outside of their race. Just to save the species. They really fucked themselves over with that survival of the fittest thing.
People who don't know what evolution is always default to thinking that "fittest" means "strongest"
It almost never does. A fit *parent* is one that produces the most offspring. The Viltrumites pulled off the exact opposite. Social Darwinists aren't smart.
They were only a handful left after the virus before the numbers were great
They could have just genetically altered themselves and wait for older generations to die off leaving the superior altered viltrims
The scourage virus is what messed them up
@@DamianShively yes but the fact they were reduced to interbreeding is really poetic
"What came out was unstoppable..."
"Weren't like 99.9% of you wiped out by a plague?"
"Alright. We were 0.01% unstoppable."
I think the Viltrumites are no different from humans when you exclude super powers. Our history has had powerful Empires and Civilizations, but they were neglected or misused by future generations overtime. There are other ways an Empire can fall, but internal conflicts are also one of those reasons. Perhaps the Viltrumites hit their peak and had nothing to strive for. This might have pushed some dissatisfied Viltrumites to become extremist and kill Argall as a result or their might have been some type of unfair class system with an overworked lower class and rich elite. Maybe I'm thinking too much, but I think there's a lot of potential. Will just have to wait and see.
Argall was assassinated by Thaedus,
@@monkebeaterclover7975Right, plus if we were exactly like the Viltrimite empire without the powers we would have had a nuclear winter 4 or 5 decades ago just wiping every one out at random like the Viltrimites did to have one or two global super powers left.
We still have to live here so a nuclear winters something we'd have to consider.
Bro argyll is the one who wanted the viltrumite to conquer planets.
“Neglected or misused by future generations.”
Or maybe, just maybe, the people who “built” these ancient empires had no idea how to maintain them other than unending conquest. There never was a plan to keep any of these empires around forever, at best leaders assumed things could stay the same. Human history is filled with examples of people passing the buck down to others, living off of borrowed time. Eventually, all the abuse builds up, the “future” becomes the present, and we get to blame the last generation for all the faults of the first.
The Viltrumites are very much different
1:03 not to mention, judging by the flash back, everyone looked like they were just cheap-shotting each other 😂😂😂
Yeah, absolutely. They all look like glass cannon.
They look like glass cannons because they're fighting each other
@@vuyilemdladla4576 Omni man vs Mark Grayson didn't end in two seconds.
@@jean-alexandre5801 Was he trying to kill him? Omni man sliced Lucan's abdomen open, the same Lucan who held Mark down with a single finger, but I get your point.
The strongest viltrumites are able to survive limbs getting torn off and still keep fighting, best example is Lucon where he had his guts out and he still kept fighting. The weakest viltrumite would either die or be too weak to fully recover from something like that. The strongest survive by nature of their genes in Viltrumite society.
I think viltrumites arent really that smart, they are very powerful and all but even their tech is based on other societies they conquered, they remind me of the mongols.
@@jmgonzales7701they are smart they have there own made on viltrum space ships e
@@jmgonzales7701they probably purged the scientist and engineers Viltrumites because those guys are probably weaker than a trained Soldier Viltrumite. No one left to invent and control stuffs
@@toseeupload8855 yeah thats probably what it is. No wonder they need to conquer for tech.
@@jmgonzales7701they are a fighting society, with enhanced strength to begin with. if You think of Rome, having obligations to fight and them practicing eugenics. they would kill any defected child born and u we’re prepared for the army at 6-7
I just assumed what we saw were not flashbacks, but instead what Omniman believed. This must gave been an extremely chaotic time and to improve any genes must have been much more targeted then we see. Otherwise the Viltrumites which are best at hiding or smart enough to escape early enough would be an extremely significant portion of the species. This must have happened over generations, hundreds and thousands of years of pitting people against each other in set up duels with specific amounts of people. A truly tyrannical regime. What we see, could have been a Civil War at the very tail end which might have killed half of all people. If Omniman grew up in that environment, that is probably what he remembers. After loosing 50% of all people civilization will break down. There will be some time until control is reestablished. While you do that you cannot keep those fights going and it was probably deemed good enough for the ruling class at that point.
Yeah, Thragg gives Nolan a “this is where *you* came from” speech later on
Right? It doesn't make sense for such an advanced society to just start a random battle royal like that, I assume it was all planned in arenas of some sort
@@tsuyuasui7297 also, how would this battle royal, wipe out only half? ideally each victor killed exactly one person on average. but in the clip, one of them gets killed by someone, who gets killed by someone else, does that mean, that most of the survivors didnt get any kills?
Comic spoilers - it was a civil war
Yes Nolan was probably a baby at the time
Nolan omitted the scourge virus, and this was what mark was imagining, as a child who watches science fiction fantasy.
Ontop of that, Nolan mentioned that the ones who survived, were the strongest.. and they also survived the virus.
I'm pretty sure he didn't, why would he kill his own race??
The virus is after that so there’s no reason to mention that
If the Viltrumites were a functional society, then they would be practically unbeatable, and the comic would end with them conquering the entire galaxy. So for narrative purposes, they have to be just as much of a threat to themselves, as they are to others.
"The fittest are not the strongest or most intelligent, but those who are the best at adapting to their environment"- Charles Darwin
I don't think he said that though. It came from a paper that was covering Charles Darwin. However, he would believe that.
What if you get unlucky and other Virtumate target you first?
When you look at animals like toads, sloths or koalas you realize even "the fittest" is a misnomer, more like "fit enough."
the weirdest thing i found about that particular scene is how most of them were able to punch through eachouther just like that.
normally strong animals can take theyr own attacks without being mortally hurt or in outher words "fire cant burn fire".
They use techniques but still seems stupid,perhaps it had to do with "smart atoms" so their smart atoms make them stronger,maybe when viltrumitew punch they concentrate their power in their fist and not in other areas so it leaves them slightly more vulnerable in that area
Its because those were the weaker viltrumites
@@PBandJ21 still, a buff guy may be able to break your bones and ribs but he cant really punch through you with such ease.
id say its because of selective breeding but thats still not a satisfying answer cuz the unselected would have died long before the hyper strong ones are even born (it would take a LOT of generations)
@@nunocampea2395 true
Ok my counter is the hippo. When the hippo gets in a fight with a normal hippo, their big teeth tend to make easy work on their own thick skin, wheeeas most other animals don’t have that trait, and people need to build a tool for that use.
Clearly when they talk about the "strongest viltumites" they don't just mean the physically strongest, the ones who were able to survive would have had to be not only strong enough but also sharp enough to both survive and perpetuate the massacre until it was over, and keep in mind it most likely lasted thousands of years so those who were able to live that long were probably the cream of the crop
This also doesn't make sense
After that you need to procreate with less powerful species like humans , resulting less powerful viltrumites(unless you are the main character of course)
And if you want to take other worlds why to reduce your own population, and why to sacrifice 50% of you brains , the technology is the one that make them so strong?
It lasted for thousands of years??? Why didn't it just last for a few years or a year at most.
@@tsuyuasui7297Why? Why? Why? I swear you types are so lacking. Some wars lasted over 100 years in history. For a much stronger and longer lived, and fictional, species, it is easy to infer "why" conflict would last longer. It is fiction though, does not need real world logic, it is written for plot reasons. I cannot make this any simpler for you.
@@SéaFidwhat did they do to hurt you bro 💀💀💀
@LoneMagpie91 well they dont have the problem of being too far cause they can just fly faster than light and go across the universe in relative times while humans had to go on marches of months to years to just get to their destinations and then camp outside the enemies strongholds
Considering the fact that Mark's powers did not manifest until way after he had past puberty it stands to reason that Nolan would not have cared as much as we would a full viltrumite. Also, we never got to see viltrumites raise their own children. Maybe they do care, but with excessive tough love.
Darwin: "Survival of the fittest."
Viltrumite: "Duck and dodge and punch and again."
Always fascinated me how big the gap between 2 viltrumite power levels can be, literally cutting each other like butter😂😂humans could never
Can Viltrumites sense other's power? What if some Viltrumites were just hiding away during the battle?
The purging of the weak probably didn’t only last one day bro. It was probably years, possibly hundreds because of how long Viltrumites live
bruh how you can hidde when people that can travel faster than light can just make nukes flying?
@@blacky8987how does that expose my hiding spot?
@@blacky8987you can still hide
Viltrumites aren’t exactly as fearful as humans
Also viltrumite are stronger the older they are, so only old viltrumite would have win
Not necessarily true, there are many reasons why it wouldnt boil down that simple. One of the main ones: Being constantly battle tested in life or death battles boosts Viltrumites even more than age. This is how Mark becomes such a beast.
Thragg looks younger than Kregg and Conquest, yet he can tear both of them to pieces. Viltrumites depend on battle-experience to grow stronger but I think some are just genetically more powerful, kinda how some people are just naturally stronger.
There's also a psychological/mental factor. Thragg and Mark seemed more willing to consciously push themselves to their absolute limits more regularly than other Viltrumites.
@@LectricVonThunder oh I see thanks for the info
@publiusventidiusbassus1232 I didn't took that into account thanks
Thank you. Finally someone else thinks this. I pointed this same thing out in a UA-cam comment several months ago on some other UA-cam video. I think a much better way to guarantee the best survive, they must have like standardised tests for strength, speed, and etc. Then using those results systematically decide the weakest, and kill them off. Somethign like this.
I agree but like do you think they’re just gonna roll over and die? That’s probably also why they’re fighting everywhere. It’s like selective breeding with a Purge
@mr.g6168 that's why you just jump 'em, m8.
Or just don't kill anyone, lmao. If the average member of your species can fly faster than light and break asteroids with one punch there is no such thing as "weak" genes. You're all superior and possess roughly the same level of power. If the Viltrumites were smart they should've established breeding colonies on countless planets and then they would've had an even larger empire. They're a really dumb species.
It would have been great if they really showed a step by step history of the Viltrumite empire. Guess it all depends on the writers.
The one who decided all of this was the writter 😆
That’s kind of the point, they’re a dogmatic imperialist warrior race, they value strength above all else, they’re not eugenicists when it comes to their own race, their idea of strength is clearly strictly material, if you’re killed you deserve to die, if you kill you deserve to live, that is it. The comics make it clear this is the reason for their near demise, they refuse to value anything besides material strength, they can’t see past strength and conquest, and it’s why Invincible is able to rip Thragg’s throat out, and throw his body into the bowels of the sun, that and Eve rebuilding his body stronger than it was before, but thematically that fits as well with Invincible winning through the strength of his attachments to those around him, he wouldn’t have won without Eve and Allen and Rex, but he did, his greatest Allies and greatest enemy came to his aid because he fought for something real and Thragg didn’t, Thragg dies alone and unloved, Mark lives surrounded by loved ones for millennia after Thragg, and the Viltrumite Empire thrives under his rule not as conquerers but as a nomadic race of benevolent warriors aiding all those they encounter. Sure the great purge doesn’t make sense in that it’s illogical, but it makes sense culturally why it would occur under the Viltrumites of that day and age. Also as to Nolan’s attachment to Mark and Debbie, it’s because they’re the first people he ever loved and the first family he ever had in his millennia of existence, all Viltrumites for as long as he remembers in the comics are conceived through rape, or at the very least with no love, cliff notes at the end now, Mark’s arc is about the futility of strength alone, and how strength tempered with compassion is superior to isolated power.
Wait what??? They are all conceived through rape??? But why¿ they are such an advanced society, they could literally just make viltrumites in incubators
You'd think that with their advances in technology and architecture, they should have a better social system, maybe better knowledge in biology? How does anyone go from being that advanced to something that could only realistically happen in the early stages of a civilization's technological advancement? It's too silly.
It makes even less sense when you consider the fact that natural selection is about adaptability and not strength
edit: I fixed a typo
Why would you announce that you fix a typo
I think it's just meant to show how flawed viltrumites were, we're told at the start of the series that viltrumites are the best and they're just perfect but as we move on with the story, we learn how really inferior they are with their population and sometimes even genes are as characters like Allen and eventually Eve become some of the strongest characters in the series
Maybe it wasn't just "1-1 fights to the death", but a normal civil war and what is shown is just a fragment. Maybe some factions disagreed with this eugenics.
Also, it doesn't seem to be only "the strongest" in genes, but also in mental capacity to kill and etc.
yeah they bred with the strong
their logic is acctualy "if he dies he never deserved to live"
The the girl with the Blade Ponytail definitely got lucky out of the Purge
If the strongest kills the second strongest than that whole plan failed 😅
thats why they are landing single blows
What if Viltrom is actually not technologically advanced at all, and they're desperately trying to get technology and such from their slave worlds.
Well that was what the Spartans did and similar empires like the Mongols did as well to a certain extent.
Good point but also Viltrumites aren't exactly the smartest. You'll see if you read the comics, the consequence of this. But ignore the comics, Omni Man is clearly spouting propaganda... it clearly isn't a good method. It's toxic masculinity, physical strength and maybe IQ is most important, not empathy. Either that or they do love their kids on Viltrum and Omni Man was just lashing out. I'm going off the comics I read and I actually surprisingly think it's the latter, but maybe it depends on the Viltrumite. Some are cruel to their kids to get the best kid, some are surprisingly not because it isn't effective. I won't spoil the comics and honestly, I don't know
Imagine killing your weakest soldiers when you need a high number of soldiers during war
Another question: when did they decide it was enough killing? Like, what told them that 50% was the right amount? What if the remaining guys fought each other, who was going to win? How did they know they were the strongest, who was the strongest among them and HOW did they know for sure?
3:33 ratio of men to women wasn’t 50%. Just like on earth you could expect 10-20% men f women would make that cut. Are the women fertile for hundreds of years?
Viltrumites do love their viltrumite kids. They’re told not to love inferior half breeds, however much later in the series where viltrumites start breeding with humans on mass, many actually turn from thragg from love of their kids
Viltrumites really got that baby boomer energy
I thought that, too, but people being smart enough to know where to hide when their society is full of people this brutal and strong may have been smiled up for their cleverness and sense of self-preservation being positive traits to roll into the smaller gene pool.
0:10 Funny, even a skinny female viltrumite can kill a big male viltrumite by beheading his head by hand...😂😂😂
comics did a better job at showing that tje female viltrumites were not skinny
@AA-tz2bm fr bro, they were beefy in the comics then they made em twigs into the show. the fuck is that about
@@wingandwang5634 Sexism against women bodybuilders.
@@darlalathan6143 you sound as smart as a tissue I blow my nose into and throw away
@@wingandwang5634 anissa is buff, so that's not true.
It’s illogical on purpose - the whole Viltrumite culture is a satire of eugenics and social Darwinism: it’s meant to illustrate the inherent contradictions of these ideologies!
I’m pretty sure the “to remove the weak” means morally/mentally and not so much physically
Viltrumites : Oh no , our population is in shambles , what shall we do , lets conquere other planets and assault other viltrumites
Also these guys on new year :
You don’t need strategy when nobody can beat you
yeah
Except Nolan adventures in space were more than enough to learn that Viltrumites will need strategy to conquer some places, as they lose if they go with brute force.
It’s not just survival of the fittest. They dabbled in genetics prior to weeding out the weak.
What do you mean? As in everyone was a result of gene editing?
@@tsuyuasui7297 No, one person is made from genetics and he is well was the strongest viltrumite
@@tsuyuasui7297 they used to Kilk the weak before tampering with genetics
You may think all of those dead bodies of Viltrumites where 1% out of 50%ish would survive from their near death experience and came back to life... *Kurt Russell in Soldier*
I didn't literally perceive it as just the physically-weak but rather those they considered ideologically-weak. Anyone who would fight to defend things like freedom of speech didn't deserve to be called a Viltrumite in the eyes of these fascists and so was killed. I figured that while the new Viltrumites were powerful, they weren't particularly more powerful than most of the ones they killed- They just happened to win the civil war and were able to reframe their history as they saw fit.
They were swinging thin poles that were strong enough to vertically cut through a viltrumite without breaking
I think there are massive differences between the strengths of viltrumites, much more so than humans, though we can also see that they can increase their strength exponentially (for instance, take a look at Mark vs Anissa the first time they fight compared to later in the comics where Mark grows much more powerful, putting them on even ground roughly.)
Viltrimites got bored one day and decided “FUCK IT Super Smash Bros”
1:33 don’t forget about the ones who teamed up. It’s not like the hunger games where you have to kill your partner, so a group of 4 weak viltrumites taking on 1 strong viltrumite would practically be encouraged.
"Your mind is the best weapon you have."
-Farengar Secret-Fire
4:24 That too! They quickly drop this whole genetic superiority thing very fast. Nolan fucks a bug and then that inspires Thrag to quite literally Breed an entire Army by himself. I feel like at the end of it all the writer was trying to find a way to make his Main Character Mark as overpowered as possible at the end of the story. But unfortunately since the power scaling is so inconsistent in invincible it ends up feeling completely hollow at the end.
They didn't. As he sent his child soldiers to war, Thragg consistently scorned them for their inferior strength and even saw their deaths as an opportunity to have the weak among his army weeded out. He only bred them because he needed enough manpower to wage war on the Coalition after being betrayed by the Viltrumites and stripped of his power and exiled alone in outer space.
@@redunicycle7250But that's exactly why it's stupid. If he's willingly able to understand "man power" and "strength in numbers" it makes the culling of his people make LESS SENSE. It's straight up dumb and doesn't make sense why Thrag, Viltrumites, or anything happened the way it did. If he would rather see the bug-hybrids die in battle then why would they ever kill their own people ever? What makes it even worse is that we know it's from a political rebellion. But if politics were really at play then the culling really comes out of nowhere as that has to suggest a large portion of the population agreed to it or that means after a political rebellion they started killing each other for literally no reason. It wasn't them trying to find the rebel forces or even looking for the specific Viltrumite who started the rebellion. They just started killing each other which ultimately made the entire species endangered. So what the hell was the point? Especially when Ragnars and Super Lasers exist it makes their low numbers hilariously bad and it's also inconsistent world building. They show that Viltrumites also apparently use weapons now which honestly makes the idea of "Weaker Viltrumites" make less sense. Fighting with a weapon has literally nothing to do with genetics but they seem totally fine with it. It's a bad story no matter how you look at it
I was interested in that topic, too. So I checked the comics. I also looked through the writings, blogs, posts, and everything of the writers. Nada, zip, nothing. Most of their personal stuff on the issue is just BS they pull out their rear to try and own previous comic book characters and their writers.
I did find out that their superpowers are actually artificial. Apparently, it's caused by smart atoms.?
My personal head cannon is that when they first figured out how to give themselves those superpowers. That first generation went completely psychopathic because of it. Wiped out every younger generation at the time and had new offspring. From that point forward, they simply worked the psychopathy into their culture. Apparently, the later generations psychopathy was re adjusted by the brain chemystery, making it a cultural feature instead of a drug-induced feature. However, since it was turned into a part of the culture, it stayed right up until their race was wiped out.
The series proved that theory wrong when it’s confirmed that they’re going extinct
Y'all keep saying Viltrumitew aint smart but their the only species who learned to use smart atoms. THE ONLY SPECIES
I think you’ve accidentally recognised one of the criticisms of eugenics this series is trying to make
Tbh I feel like how flawed it was is part of the point a senseless eugenics social darwinism purge is arrogant and blind this is the kind of shit that happens when you're blindly following this ideology and perhaps eventually the show will make us see the events leading up to the viltramite purge
0:50 Hey this the Invincible universe, you might very well be able to pull a Ringworld and artificially select for high luck.
this actually brings up a good point since it's not like some are born with powers and others aren't, so it puts onto question what where they specifically trying to weed out.
"Good thing we come from money, eh, Debbie?"
"Nolan, I come from money, you come from a race of idiots."
"I'm taking Mark, bye!"
"NOLAN!"
nice tfs reference
0:30-Nah,thi way you will end up with a society of campers.
I think that the reason Nolan loved Mark enough was because he was immersed in human society which reformed him. I suspect that viltramite society is very violent so they continuously have that idea of strength over everything hammered into them. I think under normal circumstances they do love their kids but that love is overshadowed by that idea of strength making it difficult to have a real bond.
Viltrumites can recover from fatal wounds, so maybe they had a rule during the war that once you dealt a fatal blow, you had to leave the person on their own to either heal and go back to fighting or die
I mean, it does seem to be the case that, even in there planets, the men are stronger than the women’s when you have a super strong woman was super strength. Naturally, the man was super strength it’s gonna be stronger than she is that doesn’t mean she isn’t going to always lose.
So Thula is young here but older in season 2? In the comics. She is young but just has grey hair.
1:02 Try to define luck in that situation, i.e., a stronger person made a move or an action that puts that person at a disadvantage against the weaker and dies in the process? That's the definition of natural selection. Another example: weapon failed and broke - is it unlucky? Put that in the human perspective. We have engineers who can assess the bridge's strength and know when it needs repairs or replacement. Relate that to a single person, and you get a soldier who takes care of his weapon; otherwise, he gets killed. Does someone get unlucky and get into a crowded situation? Another person has a strategy and does not allow for such a situation. It is not a luck or not. It is survival of the fittest.
how they showed this was symbolic. The fight wasn't actually like this.
Kinda like how in older movies, if there was a backdrop of a city, if you look close enough it's just some 2d cutouts of buildings. You're not really meant to look that close.
So how did it actually go?
I think that's a later reveal in the series.@@tsuyuasui7297
In the "Invincible" comic series by Robert Kirkman, the Viltrumites are depicted as a highly militaristic and expansionist alien race. The event known as "The Scourge" was a pivotal moment in their history. During this event, the Viltrumites carried out a massive purge of their own population, killing those deemed weak or unfit.The rationale behind this brutal culling was rooted in their ideology of strength and superiority. The Viltrumite culture glorified strength, combat prowess, and genetic purity. By eliminating the weak, they aimed to create a society composed solely of the strongest individuals. This practice was intended to ensure that only the most powerful Viltrumites survived, thereby increasing the overall strength and resilience of their race.
Well, this might be a spoiler so heads up
The Scourge was actually a bio-weapon made to wipe out the Viltrumites, and since it left so few of them (around 25 iirc), it would make since to create a cover up story
They were just outnumbered and needed time to procreate more soldiers
I think it’s kinda simple if you survived you were smart and strong enough
Like they probably don’t care
Apparently if i remember correctly, it was some viltrumite emperor who decided to focus on strength and conquest instead of diversifiction.
Although the flashbacks looks chaotic, statistically speaking since 50% were wiped out it, it wouldve been similar to a bunch of 1v1 where the surviving half having were mostly stronger.
And even if you hid or only defeated weak viltrumites, if your strength was tested and found out to be weak you would be eliminated for being weak.
Also the moral of the story was it wasn't a smart decision which is why it kinda seems dumb, however viltrumites could purely rely on strength, instead of diversification they would rely on the slaves of conquered species to advance technology and gather resources. And tactics aren't needed when viltrumites don't need to work together, they just send one to each planet and it's done.
So in the end it sounds rather twisted, but it still wouldve been a rather efficient way of mass culling the weak, and if it weren't for the
SPOILER
viltrumite covid they wouldve been unstoppable.
I think alot of it just has to do with their nature. But yea, them having that nature in such an advanced society is quite interesting.
Your level of Luck is also a trait
Interesting how anissa was toast until someone saved her betting they had to jump that girl lol
The theory reminds me of Demon Slayer. The character Giyu only survived and became a Demon Slayer because his friend Sabito took out most of the demons during trials. Giyu was unconscious or tending to his wounds during the trial while Sabito died fighting the most powerful of the demons in the trial. Its been a while but I think they just had to survive a certain period of time. So that particular test the strongest died and the ones he saved went on to join the Corps. Giyu became strong afterwards but Sabito could've been a beast.
It would be even more interesting if there is an entity controlling the memories of the virtrumites causing them to create this outlandish history
How would that be more interesting? What would that add to the story? Just sounds like weird lazy writing tbh
@@rami3164 And has absolutely no sense whatsoever
thanos u made my job easy
I thought it was another video complaining about "luck" interfering in the "selection process" and I would have replied "being able to correctly evaluate risks to maximise luck it's a good skill to select"
But instead the video even if short, explained clearly about how for an advanced society that selection wouldn't work or even take place, and I was pleasantly surprised.
This wouldn't have happened if Argall was still alive.
Check out human history. Consider Sparta. Consider ancient Greek and Roman infanticide as a form of "birth control" after the fact. Fact can be stranger than fiction.
Sparta wasnt that strong and it fact was mostly a primitive city at the time, they didnt defeated the persians on any of their invasions, Athens and their allies did in both occasions
In fact spartans try to avoid direct conflicts as much as possible, and when in battle always took the left flank, the safest one, their army was mostly to keep the Helots from rebeling
Thats how thebes defeated them at leuctra eveb being outumbered, by placing the sacred band on the spartan flank in the newly created Phalanx formations
Roma wasnt great because of any special breed , they just were organize, had an standing army, good logisitcs and could just keep sending people to the meat grinder, Hannibal crushed the romans over and over again, but they could just build a new army out of thin air and keep sending more and more 😆
@@StoneCoolds Context? What's your point? I'm comparing literature to reality/history. Sparta and Athens both fell because their societies were too focused on one thing. Rome fell because of too much diversity, corruption and being spread too thin considering available resources. Viltrimites parallel Sparta and Rome in many ways at various times in history. So...what's your point?
Far more Rome than Sparta. Spartans were an unambitious city-state that never had the strength or will to expand past its borders; and spent most of its days in quiet fear of their own slaves. Rome didn't fall due to "diversity"; which was one of the only things keeping Rome running. It fell due to pacifist judeo-christian values eroding the militant spirit of Rome into one of meek acceptance, as opposed to ambitious conquest. This in combination with the feeble-minded rulers like Commodus (a product of passing power down by heritage instead of by strength) taking their toll on the empire leads us to The Fall of Rome.
@@johnchestnut5340Diversity in Rome? Where did you get that? Imao, that's just stupid. Rome just expanded too far (giving the time and level of technology they possessed) for Their own good and couldn't keep Empire together against endless attacks from everywhere. I mean becoming Christian and valuing life more may play a factor, but it wasn't even top 3 of them.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж Slaves...that's where the diversity came from. As cultures are conquered, aspects are "absorbed" for better or worse. You could try learning some history.
From my understanding viltrumites aren’t suppose to feel feelings & are just immediately born to be soldiers & the ones born without viltrumite power eventually got killed off
I'm a bit late on the video but in the comics its more complexand in the show will be too this is like a glorified simplified version of events the viltrums tell people and some of themselves too not the full details....They did it to weed out traitors who killed their king Argall....They also took Alot of Argalls potential ideologies and post death with no way to clarify cranked them up to 11 in universal world view.
From what i understand, Viltrumites like thragg only took argalls ideals about strength to the extreme.
The culture you see from the viltrum Empire in the series is not the same culture that built the viltrum empire
@Speedofdark339 Yeah it's likein a time of desperation they radicalized in an attempt to stay alive....But yknow this always got me confused because of Viltrum was not that bad originally since its only after thragg that they started conquoring....Then why did Thaedus kill Argall in the first place
Since arguablly his death caused more issues later on than it fixed
Unless he accidently became a self fuffiling prophecy
@inyalgaico1563 viltrum, like all empires were still imperial and expansionist even under argall. They were likely much, much less brutal about it. Maybe thauddus didnt like how militaristic it was. I dont think they were *anywhere* near as darwanistic either. For E.g, a viltrumite dying wouldn't be considered "weak."
My logic was always that they culled the people that weren't willing to kill and be brutal and calculating. Less about physical strength, more about the strength to "do what's necessary."
Not to mention that most of the viltrumites in the flashback were taking cheap shots at each other
I don’t think the “weak” referred to the inferior in terms of strength. As we see in the flashback and in current day viltrumites are constantly backstabbing or using cowardly tactics to get an advantage over their opponent. If someone was insanely strong and killed all the viltrumites but wasn’t smart enough to have all their areas covered they could easily be killed by a much weaker more strategic viltrumite. Meaning that “the strong” referred to those with strong tactics, great strength, etc.
Although the only way this would stay consistent is if they did this every 100 years or so as the gene pool will take time to adapt and make significantly stronger viltrumites as a result.
Apparently this lasted for centuries
Well Thragg is a signifigantly stronger viltrumite
You can fix all this mess with "Nolan is not a trustworthy narrator".
I hope they improve this in season 2
i think it had to do more with a planet level civil war (or world war per se lol) than a everyone against everyone typo of conflict. it had started after argall had been killed and had all of those who opposed viltrumite galactic expansion also killed
I guess even with the Viltrumites, the women are a bit physically weaker than the men... How did they prevent slaughtering more women than men? I guess they aim for a 50 50 ratio?
I don't really like this analysis. A huge factor that Viltrumites are not humans, and they do not share a trait seen in most Western countries' population: individualism. Viltrumites are so communally minded, it's almost a hivemind. They so rarely have individual ambitions that when a few do (Anissa, Kregg, and Luccan get attached to humans), they admit to it in shame.
This means that, yes, most Viltrumites were likely completely fine with knowing their lives would be forfeit to better an empire. They also do see winning a fight as being one's overall prowess, including intelligence.
Finally, The Great Purge happened before Viltrum was solely focused on conquering the galaxy.
I agree with your opinion but a weak viltrumite would probably be stronger then a human therefore, I see no point of Them killing their kind
Explaining this is not a smart way
That one weak guy who that’s exactly how he survived “……..THAT SOUNDS LIKE WEAK TALK! Get him!!!!”
Honestly I feel like this would actually work surprisingly. Well, see anyone that manages to be alive at the end is a survivor and that means you're passing on the genes of survivors. Yes, they might not necessarily be the strongest or most powerful, but he says they might just be the most resilient or adaptable after all. They did survive this and I'm sure the ones that were all hiding were killed off
I think... Maybe it is a satire to eugenics and thats why it doesnt make sense. But portraing them as strong really makes me doubt if thats the intent
3:16 the one thing it'd select for is a willingness and capacity for cruelty. It'd serve mostly as a cultural purge and likely remove a lot of genetic errors/weaknesses. There'd probably be very little nut allergies after such an event, but more so, there'd probably be very little people who hadn't fully given themselves to the concept of extreme darwinism. It'd be an ideology purge.
4:20 It likely was like the Roman/Medieval era where the infant mortality rate was so high that they'd often not name their children until they were older, because the likelihood to reach 2 was low, and 10 was lower. Since they live thousands of years, 18 is basically just like 1 month, relatively. If they weren't strong enough at 18, they just tried again, like a calloused society with a huge infant mortality rate.
"What remained was unstopable" if thats the case they were already unstoppable, why not enjoy the benefits of a lower class of soldiers? No army anywhere relies on the very best of the best, the ranks are made up of relatively normal people.
My yake is, the viltrumites as we see them now are a failing society. They used to be much more 'normal' for lack of a better word, but the purge was the culmination of some sort of cultural breakdown. The system currently in place is unsustainable. Its only their raw power and long lives that make them seemingly successful to outside perspectives. Even if the virus hadn't done a lot of damage they as a society would have finished collapsing within a few of their generations. Perhaps a few thousand more years.
The comics did much better at explaining it they were fighting a civil war because one side believed they should be conquerors and the other half were peaceful
They believe in strength makes sense there were factions a war between groups