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I wouldn’t even laugh at the writers for trying to create diversity, it’s this stupid “inclusion” politically liberal policy that Amazon has that it requires in its show content. It would make stories like Squid Game, ATLA, and LOTR impossible or untenable to do under Amazon.
Honestly omniman getting hit by the space laser is sort of a microcosm of this entire point. They take the time to show you not just the immediate crater the weapon causes, but everything that was destroyed in just firing the thing. Acres of land are glassed, untold thousands if not millions of wildlife is vaporized. Birds rain from the sky in the aftermath, and all it does is give our villain a nosebleed.
As a fan of massive explosions, rarely is the weight of their usage given sufficient screen time. Orbital bombardment is the stuff of nightmares. It was an excellent scene to demonstrate the insurmountable wall that is Omniman.
@@DTheWhiteWolfD it's usually like that, but they manage to erase that feeling with Omni-man, even if they make him bleed i kept on thinking that he was unstoppable
I read the comic years ago but I remember some line where Cecil said that every time he teleports it costs the American Taxpayers $250,000 or something like that. And that's all I think of whenever I see him teleport in the show.
When Cecil teleports into the Grayson’s home, and Nolan nearly chokes him to death, Cecil says something like ‘I wanted the front porch, but this thing isn’t 100% accurate.’ But it’s shown to be pretty freaking accurate the rest of the show, especially him talking it out with Nolan in Ep 8. My headcannon is that Cecil was testing Nolan, to see if he really was as violent and anger-prone as Cecil was theorizing. To see if he really was as benefiting as he claimed, or was as ruthless as his image was becoming
Iirc it's him calling Nolan's bluff on his claim of getting jumped in the dark or something. He suspected it was a lie, since Nolan has amazing perception and wouldn't just get jumped like that.
@@Slaking_which even if they some how didn't know it was him by the time Cecil's men pulled up to Nolan the way he detects the invisible soilder and fucking lodges a damn gun in his head is crazy
Maybe I'm just dumb but I never really questioned what he meant I that scene. Before that I was torn on whether he's actually evil, but that line just made it click "ohh shit so he wants to be the one to conquer earth"
@@MCTogs yeah something the show did really well was keeping you wondering if Omni-Man was actually evil or not. At least for me I was still thinking there was a good reason for everything for a while.
When a writer gets to rewrite his story...it will usually always be better in every aspect. Why adaptations should ALWAYS have the original writer involved.
Egh, this isn't always true. Look at Stephen's King "The Shinning". Kubrick's adaptation is a classic while the King involved mini series is not. TV, Movies, Books, and comics need different things to work. Jumping from one format to the next you have to understand how they are different and how the audience is also different. Also the pacing of receiving the story. It's one thing to take something in a binge and another for you to show up to a comic store every week for a new issue and be motivated to do so. People picking up the Invincible comic now are getting it in anthology form, which was not the case back at release. In fact, it was called too slow with it's reveal not to fast where as the TV series murders the Guardians of the Globe right away and then builds a series around the whys. It actually drops the hook faster. When translating a work from one format to another some authors/writers are really good at improving the work in translation or making it at least as good as it's other format while others are terrible at it because they don't understand the difference between works. Sometimes authors improved their work in adaptation and other times they kinda ruin it if they are too involved and don't know how to let things go that don't work in the new format.
@@gnarlyburrito5123 True, but I still think someone who writes novels/graphic novels/comics doesn't always know how to write movies or TV or even use animation to it's best potential. A writer of one format isn't always good in another format. While I do not think original authors should be ignored by studios in adaptation, original authors also need to know when another format is not there forte. And that's ok. It's ok to be just a good novelist or just a good screen writer or just a good comic book writer. They are different styles with different needs.
@@TheDawnofVanlife some writers struggle with pacing or translating their words in a film yes, but most of the time writers work with a screenwriter to make it into a film format. Stephen King doesn't ever do that. Man works alone or leaves it completely to the director/screenwriter
@@gnarlyburrito5123 I mean we are always going to have the flaws of human hubris as a factor, but plenty of successful adaptations didn't have the original author involved (sometimes cause they are dead at the point of adaptation) but I don't think they *need* to be involved for it to be good, the adapter just needs to have respect for what the fans love about it. Usually things get adapted to carry over a fan base. I'm just saying the involvement of the original writer, depending on the type of person the writer themselves are, could be bad or good. And I don't think the lack of involvement of the original writer is an automatic handicap or boon to the process. It really depends on the writers involved (adapters and original author) and overall respect for the work in adaptation.
It's also nice that Darkblood actually plays a role in the show. He was kinda forgotten in the comics. He came back and said he made progress in the investigation _after_ Nolan had already been outed as the bad guy, and was swept aside by a joke from a random unnamed receptionist. In the show, he actually has a purpose in the story.
The author began writing the comic many years ago, it makes sense that he would grow in skill and learn to sharpen his storytelling. Now being able to return to the beginning he has applied what he’s learned over the years in order to improve the story.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 it's not easy to condense a bunch of issues for comics in eight episodes and Jojo definitely is not the best example when it comes to consistency
@@brimward122 please, any worth your time anime manages to adapt in 20 minutes at least 2 issues of material and sometimes straight up 5, while trying best to stay close to main story. Invincible doesn't even try when it has pretty much double episodes on it's side to get most of source material, but chooses to sabotage itself by changing most of characterization and plot beats. Animating isn't easy, but I have seen better shows which manage to hide cheapness of shots through clever directing, a thing Invincible can only dream. JoJo is perfect display of being originality in presentation and managing adapt in 39 episodes 100+ chapters, while respecting source. Again, quality of unknown for Invincible with their Amber and whole Omni-man strength issue and taking 16 episodes worth of time to adapt 14 issues and shoe horning later plot points with no taste.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 bruh Jojo’s consistency in the earlier parts are just as bad as what you claim invincible is. And moments lost to animation is also apparent in Jojos. Take part 1, where they take out moments of speedwagon helping out the gang which ends up with him just looking like a sideline commentator in the anime instead of a genuine bro that also helped out whenever he can, or part 3 where they cut out some bits of Jotaro showing other emotions so in the anime he came across as more of the stoic edgelord instead of a guy that genuinely cares about his friends and family that hides that behind a stoic facade. Plus Jojo had way more episodes per season compared to invincible so if anything Invincible did a great job making the series while also improving on old moments
@@nanda12345ful bruh, what? We are talking about adaptation and anime adapts manga, so what the issue? Are you so pathetic to make strawman and not engage the argument? Want to know cartoons I respect? Rise Of TMNT, for being fresh air in animation industry which lacked action cartoons and be bold AU which set uped stuff and only then gone for twists. It's sad that it got cut short. Kid Cosmic is everything Invincible should have been. Show which builts up facade of just parody adventure to then hit hard with twists. For real, I'm weird out how good that show got structure and spirit of Invincible first comic arc better than official adaptation. It even got dark humor and big kill count, add some blood and you're set.
I think the biggest difference is the massive tone shift. Early invincible is a borderline superhero satire, and plays the majority of early stories for laughs with a dark undercurrent. Being a superhero is mundane to Marc and family becsuse they're so used to it. It isn't until later that the comic morphs into the more serious tone the show adopts outright
@legacysquid0625Yes, I agree. The show doesn't sit right with me. It feels like it's ashamed of the source material. I can't bring myself to watch season 2. It feels like I'm watching the animated representation of a "gaslighting lie".
Agreed. The dark part of the story is what keeps Invincible entertaining. It's pretty whimsical and hard to take seriously without it. I really struggled getting into the show until the final part of episode 1.
Actually having the guardians put up a fight and even nearly beat omni-man also helps validates the reason he does it. He killed them in order to weaken earth's defences, to prepare earth for the viltrumite invasion. They were the biggest threat, so he took them down. This doesn't work if he just has a flawless victory, because if he could easily take them all, how are they possibly a threat to an army of viltrums? It makes it less the explanation and more just a bad excuse to kill people.
Little bit of context you get alternate Dimension Noland who basically explains that he was planning it out he was going to have to do it fast because if he didn't the longer it took him to do it the more likely he would talk himself out of it because he was genuinely friends with some of them but his duty viltrum is more important
Omni man wouldn't need to do that only the Guardians were called and he's not officially a part of the team that's why in the comics it's a genuine surprise because they assume he's not involved at all
@@scandalouspanda7489 this doesnt make sense, if this was the case Nolan should have killed them DURING the invasion, not through the shadows If terror is your goal, you dont want to make it a secret for too long, thus the real goal was just to clean the earth from its best soldiers, what it makes sense, Immortal, red rush and War Woman did a lot of damage on him, and during a surprise attack where no one of them were near prepared to a fight
Omni-man was fighting himself that's why. The Guardians were his friends. But the mission was more important and had to be done. The other reason that 2 viltrumites can't just chill and save humans. It's counts as a betrayal for the entire viltrum empire. So it's a war crime and to protect his people he has to conquer by himself or they do it and that will be not so pretty. Other races are also a problem because every race hates Viltrumites and want the planet purged. The best way is to protect Earth is to conquer by himself so the Viltumite empire will protect it instead of destroying it. Viltrumites are known to destroy a planet if they can't conquer it.
That “you dad. I’d still have you” line is for me, what separates invincible from other comics. The main characters almost dead and the villains right there and monologuing, but the hero can’t actually do anything. But then they say something and the villain stops. And just leaves. I haven’t read every comic ever, but I’ve rarely seen this happen, so. I don’t know.
Comic spoiler. Mark actually remembers that line at the end of the comic. He qouted what Nolan asked him "What will you have after five hundred years?".
It's more of the fact that he's not mad at his father after everything he put him through, and the fact that Nolan was denying his true feelings the entire time, and only said that hurtful stuff to get done what he needed to get done.
The flash equivalent is the most haunting death, it comes just after him being with his partner and explaining how every single moment in his life is slowmo, so you can feel how he was slowly feeling everything, how desperate he was, how much he tried to avoid his death.
@@CheeseDanishMysteriousnessOmni man is fast too but not as fast as red rush. O man was predicting where red rush was going to attack so it's more of a 50/50 thing
Kirkman was very inexperienced when he started Invincible. You can see the great ideas but I doubt he knew Invincible would get time and pages to tell the story he wanted to tell. Hindsight and confidence helps the adaption.
Adding to this, in one of the Penvincipals section of the comic (answering fan letters basically) Kirkman revealed that he did not at all expect Invincible to sell so well, he thought he maybe just had the time and pages to do 20-something issues, fortunately he got way more and was able to finish the story the way he wanted to
I read the entire comic after watching the show, the show 100% makes all the moments more impactful and better. A lot of moments have been moved around, a lot of the events in the show happen after omniman has left the planet, and it works way more in the show. Kirkman definitely learnt and got better even throughout the comic and now onto this show
In the penvincipals for the last issue he explained that he actually had to move the guardians fight up to chapter 7?? Instead of the 20s or 30s where he initially planned for it to go
I’m really hoping mark brings up how messed up that was when they eventually see each other again, it would be so disconcerting for mark to not bring it up.
I remember when I watched invincible I was like “Oh these characters are funny and cool” Then they all died and I was just shocked and sat in silence when the episode ended
@@heilmodrhinnheimski bit the show is not finished and won't be for years, peasant! Also, never said the comics were "better" although I did feel some things were better done in the comics, like Amber.
@@slein1055 Tbh show learned from comics and from critique, Amber actually had a character in season 2, and didn't shit on mark for not giving her attention. Also Kirkman is a fucking genius, and having him rewrite the show with other amazon writers i think was actually a good choice.
You need to remember the context of when the comic was coming out. The complaint wasn't actually that it was too fast, it was that it was too slow. Each issue was coming out once per month. The thing with comics, Kirkman talks about this more now, is that you want the hook early on (in this case Omniman is the bad guy). He originally wanted this reveal around issue #25. That is well over 2 years of set up for a hook. Image told him to get the hook down early because who knows if his comic would even be profitable enough. He did it and it worked and got more readers. Like 2 decades later, he understood this concept much better. That is why it was definitely his idea to have the hook be in the first episode. It worked again in the show format.
An underrated difference between the comic and the show is mark’s reaction to cecil offering him a partnership. It felt so off to me that mark mentally recovered so quickly, the kid just got beaten nearly to death by his genocidal dad and was just “cool i have a job now”. Him taking time to think about it and saying he’ll just finish highschool first, because he had no idea what to do next, felt much more organic and sensible for where his character is at that point in the story
I think it worked better in the comic because there Mark was actually taking over for his dad and he assumed Cecil would keep his mother safe plus he wanted to make amends for his father. Plus early on he had nowhere near the doubt that he has in the show about being a superhero
@@jasonjones3328 Plus Cecil paid for him to go to college. That’d put a lot of people in a good mood for at least that instant. The comic does at least show later on that Mark and Debbie are still recovering from Nolan’s betrayal.
@@jasonjones3328 yeah exactly, the guardians are dead, omni man just left the planet, his mom is a wreck and he still has to worry about his academic career in the comics. Cecil's offer in the comics helps mark to feel he can make a difference about each of these situations - each of which he has personal investment in. Think that's something this video misses in general, that stories are more about characters than events. It's true the show is stacked more back to back with big events than the comic, but the characters actually suffer the same depth of development they do in the comics (I know he talked about the guardians and impact etc, but that's breadth of development not depth - seeing lots of reactions to big events actually gives us less to really care about than seeing the consistency of a family that cares for each other in the little ways day to day for several issues). Seeing people go :o at an event or have drama every episode isn't the same thing as really getting to know the ins and outs of what feels like a healthy family, and then intimately feeling the effects of the betrayal of its patriarch and how it makes the family structure fracture.
@@MabinogiChristianJ so you're basically saying that you liked the high focus on Marks family and how something so sudden like betrayal affected them. (Superhero version) lol
@@Juju-co8ys Yeah, basically I guess. I think the way things were laid out in the comics worked better - when you feel almost as blindsided as Mark when you find out what Omni man has done because he's been characterized as just a normal dad to mark. In the show I felt like they telegraphed way harder and made him have way more questionable and aggressive moments so it's really not as much of a twist that Omni wasn't exactly who he appeared to be. Also the characters feel more like people and less like CW drama teens in the comic. In the show there are a bunch of moments where people have disagreements or fights where they just... didn't need to (the first one that comes to mind is when mark and his mom get snippy with each other on the rooftop for no good reason). And on that note a lot of the characters like Mark's mom and ofc the now infamous Amber are just weirded in their characterization because it feels like they're trying to give them more development, not realizing that a contrived character with lots of time devoted to them is still less impactful than a genuine-feeling character who has almost no screentime. Just a whole bunch of little things basically that end up adding up in the end.
It's important to remember that one issue of a comic is much shorter than an episode of a tv show, and they release monthly. As it is the build up in the comics took almost a year to happen if you read along. If they had kept holding off on the reveal for dramatic effect, there would be a risk of readers getting bored with the story. Especially when it has to fight for shelf space with the heavy hitters at Marvel and DC.
Did not know that it was monthly. I am sure many story moments were cramped together to try to keep attention spans. I wonder if there are weekly or bi-weekly american comics?
I don't think the pacing was fast at all when I read the comics. I felt like the pacing was too slow. Overall, the real problem was of structure, and not pacing. The comics spend a lot of time being sidetracked in the earlies until the Omni-man's revalation to Mark. The Amazon series fixed this by restructuring the order of events and adding meat to what was already there.
@@josesosa3337 weekly comics are a rarity because of how much work they take, so those are often cut down to comic-strips instead. Bi-weekly comics do happen, but most artists tend to frequently miss deadlines. So generally comics in America tend to go the monthly/bi-monthly route.
' you are worthless piece of shit that greatest achievement was leading to the show so say IM UPSET!' *Comic:* I'm upset! 'Louder!' *Comic:* I'M UPSET!!!
i feel like omni man going quiet when he found out that mark had powers was because he realised what that meant it was time to do. And I guess he's not completely cold hearted.
Cold hearted the whole time he told mark that he is one of him lol. He only cared for mark cause of the power the kid has. *Sip tea* If mark was powerless well it is what it is.
@@lolicongang.4974 well, no. In the comics he explains that he was changed by mark's mother too, actualy by the entire world. (And let's just say other caracter take his role)
Kirkman wanted the big Omniman twist to occur around issue 25 in his original breakdown of the story. Image convinced him to move it up. I wouldn’t say it was a failure of a self conscious writer so much as a publisher/editor begging a young and yet unproven writer of a month to month series to “get to the hook” before readership writes off a series as “just another generic superhero” book.
I wouldn't call Kirkman an "unproven talent" when he started Invincible though. Walking dead had already been running for a while and was quite popular.
I mean they could have made a mystery comic where Omniman kills the Guardians at the end of the first issue but we never see the assailant and have to go on the journey with the characters.
What I like is how "realistic" the characters in the show are, as well as in the comics. Everybody actually feels written like a person, with baggage and emotions.
He have a slow regeneration that can cure his severe wounds. Invincible is a symbolic title not a literally he passed through time trough making decisions constantly , being cheated on , to being massacre brutally, to see his love ones beings constantly hurt by his villain or enemies, constantly debating with his enemies or friends. Sometimes, some betrayed him in his back. Yep , Mark is one of those hereoes you wuold not want to be a superheroe at all . He struggle emotionally, financially , carreerise and relationships but he does not give up no matter how much pressure or difficult a situation he try his best to deafeat them or reason with or argue. That is why he is invincible not because he is literally unbeatable.
One thing I really like about the Guardians murder in the show is the fact that no music was playing. There wasn't no epic or intense music, it was just sound effects of fighting and murders. It's really small but it did change up the scene dramatically. Also, season two, how much more blood must be shed for the title
Yeah Kirkman has gone on record saying that the adaptations of his works, which he works on, are the modified and abridged versions of his works. Where he can change, rearrange, and re-do things he has come to dislike since he originally wrote them.
Glad to hear the original creator is involved with these changes. I mean I’m impressed at how much they’ve been legitimate improvements that take these scenarios further and not someone screwing up the main story like I’ve scene of other adaptations.
@@maxhydekyle2425 The issue is a lot of Moore's adaptations miss critical social commentary and are more action-forward, leading to many misunderstanding the purpose of his works.
@@felixjohnson3874race swap sweet and innocent character in the comics for seemingly no reason>change everything about her personality>turn her into a giant negative stereotype> what did kirkman mean by this?
Okay can we just talk about how fucking heart breaking that "I'll still have you, dad" line is? As someone who had an abusive father and tried so hard to find the love in his actions before his death, it hit me very, very hard. _Like how the train hit those people IM SO SORRY_
PSA: if you liked the show, read all of the comic, i did after finishing the show and its such a beautifully crafted story as it goes on, the first portion of the comic is definitely rushed but once you get past that it gets so good and so worth it. The ending of the comic felt so nice and satisfying but also sad because its the end of such an amazing story
After I watched season 2 I read the comics qmd they are so good Spoiler Alert I really hate robot though he's a pedophile who kills all the best characters like shapesmith and cecil
I like how Mark's called Invincible for a simple reason, not because his body is actually invincible, cuz let's be real, it's more like a punching back, but because his spirit is, in a way, actually invincible. God that sounded corny... Still fits tho
Even saying that the Omniman in the comics feels more powerful when he kills the guardians should come with a caveat. It makes more sense for Omniman to be wiped out after killing the guardians because the entire reason he did it was to lower Earth's defenses. If Omniman could wipe them out easily, what's the point of even doing it? What are they going to do against even ten Omnimen?
@@mikemorro140 Element of surprise. If he killed any Guardian, he would have to rush and find all the others before the death was discovered, or they would be alert and prepared for next attack. And maybe he didn´t know their secret identities. So luring them all together to one place is probably best. And he did seem surprised/annoyed that they put up as much of a fight as they did. That wasn´t the plan.
Well it has because he alone was assigned this mission and because he wanted to go through with it as mark got his powers he had to kill the toughest defense to earth being the guardians
@@johnyshadow He did know their identities though as it's established that they were all friends and apparently Red Rush's wife was living close enough that Debbie could sell their house.
Well, spoilers, but by the end of the comic Mark is sent back in time and warns the Guardians of the Globe of Nolan. And they actually dispatch him without any losses. They were the best of the best and were a threat and had to be taken out by surprise.
In his interview with ComicTropes’ Chris, Kirkman explains that the higher ups at Image Comics basically told him his comic would be cancelled if he didn’t bump up Omni-man’s reveal. Great video essay!
@@emptyoliveold1114 True. I didn’t see anything other than the picture though, and never very closely, so I went in without it being too bad. I deliberately avoided any video memes to avoid understanding any context. Plus after the end of the first episode, you know something like that is probably coming eventually. My brother on the other hand basically watched the whole monologue before seeing the show.
I watched the scene but had zero context, so had no idea omniman was evil. I thought maybe mark was fucking some shit up and omniman had to stop him or something, so was still a huge shock when omniman killed the guardians - schafrilla has a really good video about how invincible has the perfect twist villain even though they gave him away in episode 1
Not really actually, I thought personally when I saw the meme it was this more powerful superhero (based off omni mans build) giving a younger superhero Mark a Pep talk
Williams's sexuality was not changed for the show. It's revealed around issue 80 that he's been in the closet when Eve comes to the apartment he stays at with rick. 3:04
That's true, but I think he has a lot more fun in the show. In the comics, he's kind of an asshole to mark, almost a bully, constantly teasing him and getting mad at him, whining a lot, etc, with no other personality traits. In the show, he's a likeable (or at least enjoyable to watch) character.
@@manspaghetti6351 He is certainly likable and, as a pansexual person who is gay leaning, his opinions on Omni-Man were spot on. Nolan is super hot and that mustache is top tier and as soon as William said that I fell in love with the character, a little bit of representation (even through comedy) is very appreciated.
@@manspaghetti6351 That's not entirely true. The comic William is more understated, plus there is a great running joke with the "dude, that's totally gay." Comic William is just trying to be a bro who can be a douche. William in the show is the sassy gay boy cranked up to 11. I think they are both mediocre characters in different ways. Book Williams also has a really impactful reveal where you discover near the end that he actually was in love with Mark the whole time while they were in high school, but didn't want to ruin their friendship, which also explains why he acted out. there is no way you could do that with show William.
The Twins were like (to me), Venture Bros. levels of good. Funny, smart and idiotic at the same time, and both simple and complex. How they were designed for the show really is a masterclass example of not just worldbuilding, but characterbuilding.
I think the best part of the revised Guardians scene is that it makes Omni-Man's justification for killing them seem reasonable from his perspective. In the comics, he completely no diffs them, and then a bunch of chapters later it just goes "Oh yeah, if they knew beforehand they would've won lol." What was the point in even doing that if they didn't even stand a chance? Why would he do something that he should've known would out him to the world and Mark if they clearly weren't a threat to a Viltrumite in the first place? In the show, he actually gets pretty badly fucked up even by their sloppy and uncoordinated reaponse, so it makes sense that he takes the risk and kills them, because we visibly see that they are actually a threat to him. It's very easy to picture a scenario where _this_ iteration of the Guardians could kill him given the right preparation. The show's rewrite is significantly better than the comics for so many reasons, and this one fairly small detail that adds so much is emblematic of that.
don't get me wrong I prefer the show over the comic in this scene, but him killing the guardians so fast was made so they didn't had the chance to respond, he prepared himself for the moment. We've seen so much of this in real life, a kid for some reason kill his family in like 10 minutes, that because that came outta nowhere
@Shin Shaman Gotta be more subtle buddy. No one would search for a video about a subject they dislike only to talk about how trash it is, except for trolls. Try actually making it convincing, make false points that could cover your false hatred for the show "Invincible's [something about the series] is really good, but sincerely? I really dislike [other thing about the series], because [explanation]" Even better if you actually enjoy the show, as you know the flaws and can actually create a plausible explanation with examples and shit.
You can keep the old version around in an archive while still replacing it with something better and more polished, that better shows new readers what quality of writing and art they can expect if they continue reading, instead of them being turned away due to starting issues the author has since grown out of
@@Arionid "Looking at your comic, it's good. Keep what you thought were mistakes, it's also growth... a reminder of where you started as a writer." Or atleast that's what I thought they said. For the cheese part, it's midnight where I am and I don't have the mental capacity to think about it lol. Maybe Uniquenameosaurus is secretly cheese and only they know.
@@Arionid "Looking at your comic, It's good. Keep what you thought were mistakes. It's also growth, a footnote of where you started, As a writer, you cheat sometimes."
@@NeostormXLMAX Fuck no he didn't, he tried to rewrite his ending because he's been getting nonstop hate from the fanbase because they weren't happy with his original ending. He didn't go and make a billion revisions to the story and pretend to be more inclusive like Rowling did- absolutely trash comparison.
The comic omni man might have felt more powerful when he killed the guardians of the globe, but the converse is that now it makes little to no sense why he’d kill them. He’s supposed to make sure there are no threats to the viltrumite take over, but the comics guardians of the globe do not feel like a thread to even a single viltrumite, let alone a whole take over operation.
SPOILER FOR THE COMIC Well I hope you have read the comic cuz Imma drop some spoilers. Yes guardians of the globe alone may not be a threat to even a single viltrumite but you have to remember that the Viltrumite is also an endangered species, what Earth's superheroes may lack in strength they make up for the sheer amount of superpowered beings on earth. Additionally Viltrumites don't always take over planets with sudden and violent takeover everytime, they also do forceful "negotiation" hence why Omni Man had to take out Guardians of the Globe first as they are basically Earth's first line of defense and most likely to retaliate. He probably did it to attack earth's inhabitant morale.
When I watched the first episode I was like: “Oh I thought it would be more violent but it’s ok I guess” then 40 minutes later “ WTF DID HE JUST SMASH FISHMAN’S HEAD”
Is it me or does the show not submerging us in gore really make those moments feel tragic. And in turn makes the heroics better in contrast to when the heroes are losing.
The reason I love this show so much is because Mark Grayson (invincible) isn't called that because he is physically but because his spirit and mainly, his humanity are. Nolan is not a human and doesn't sympathise with humans because they aren't of his own kind and he doesn't feel responsible for them, Mark has this overpowering feeling of responsibility while also having that "teen who wants to get it right" attitude, kind of like Peter Parker in that sense, but the fight between Marks Humanity and Nolans Lack of compassion is an underlying plot point I love to see unfold, because Nolan does love Mark and he does love Debbie but he is loyal to his own kind, as much as that pains him but because Mark is fully human and compassionate, it shows Omni-Mans inner conflict through actual tangible fights. Enough of me waffling with no structure to this comment, have a wonderful day everyone!
He mentions earlier in the episode “I perceive time as fast as my speed. A common conversation feels like hours.” when he was talking to his wife. It only makes his death worse to think about
His and the green ghost lady’s death bothered me for some reason more than any of the others , also when it came down to the last ones they knew it was either him or them , that part was suspenseful, damn he messed them up bravo for this show
A head squash wouldn't have been super impactful to me, but the fact that he was punching Omni Man's chest the entire time, breaking his own hands and *continuing to punch with said broken hands* really sold that he was desperately trying to survive no matter what. Personally, the green lady's death was the most disturbing to me. The way his hand pierced through her head and her entire body instantly went limp. Like fuck! That used to be a person!
@@RacingSnails64 I've heard that the green lady said "oh no" because when she caught Dark Wing and became 'touchable' she knew OmniMan was able to kill her
@@fettycheese2498 That's why the scene is in slow motion, it doesm't look like it becaude both red rush and omniman are fast as fuck, but it is if you look at red rush's punches
@@zhanieldawkins7129 I disagree, if you’re reading the comic it’s best to start at the first issue. Some characters are changed and some storylines are cut for the show. The plot is similar but I’d recommend starting from the beginning
It's so funny because this is really accurate but only for the first 12-14 issues. After that the comic slows down and allows The characters to breath. Not to mention the arcs that come out of it and the surprising writing they chose. I think for the most part the comic is more engaging after that and it is totally worth it
also, to the point of having the fight and what it adds to the story: them being able to put up some fight against omniman gives us more context as to why he felt it was necessary to face them separately. it makes sense that he would see them as a potential annoyance to the conquering of the planet
Yes, Nolan had the surprise factor and killed the MVP first, the guardians had some real chance of winning if Red Rush focused only on giving support for the team, imagine if they knew they would be fighting Omniman?
@@fishonmydish7774 he should powerscaling wise stomp them. You do not get yet how DUMB viltrumites are. For the story reson and viewer engagement it was much better to give them a seeming chance.
@@HopefulNihilist While I’m fine dating and having sex with women, men, and non-binary people I am more attracted to masculine people and especially men. Therefor, since my tastes lean towards men and very masculine people, I am gay leaning. TL;DR Basically, I’ll fuck anyone independent of how they identify BUT men are increadibly attractive and I want to have sex with them more.
I gotta say, this was the same view I had when Mushoku Tensei came out. The difference between reading and watching is HUGE. It really feels like whoever worked on it thought about what they were doing and said "You know this is great stuff, but we have the rare opportunity to make improvements. Let's do it." Its awesome to see it actually work out.
One of the big reasons there is such a difference in pacing is simply the release schedules of the mediums. From hook to finale, we had to wait 8 weeks to get an answer from Omni-Man about why he did it. It would be hard if not impossible to keep that same tension over 8 months in a comic format. When it's condensed in a hardcover collection, it's a lot like you're binging many seasons of a TV show over a long weekend.
Mark calling himself Invincible in the beginning of his career was apropos as opposed to a personal challenge issued to everyone. I remember a time when Mark wouldn't let some dude be turned into a cyborg to save his failing relationship. My dude had a power unlike any other comic book character: Good time management skills. And then his dad happened...
@Shin Shaman yes yes, you're very special for going against the current mainstream popular thing and liking something old and completely explored. Good for you
I would also say to keep in mind the pace of the comics, like physically. With comics, you get a 24 page issue once a month, but the show gets an episode a week. That gives a little more freedom to slow the pacing for the show, since you don't have to worry so much about readers losing interest. These are different mediums with different limitations.
The small moments of the guardians directly before they get the call really got me. I was genuinely invested in them and excited to see them make good moral choices and be actual HEROS
Me being someone who read all of the comic years before the show I was downright worried to start it. Not because I was worried they'd change it, but because I was worried they wouldn't. Yes, there are many parts of the comic that are amazing but so much of the space between those parts is a downright mess. The show revitalized my interest in the franchise and gave me hope that the great potential the story had on paper would be fully realized. Also, my god is "the consequence of a self-conscious writer" bit soooo perfect for the problems of the comic. Because if you noticed that early on as the series goes on that trait gets so much worse. Because if the thought of the writer being "I want to get to that cool moment NOW" is bad when applied to the plot, it's far worse when applied to character arcs. Where characters that have a ton of potential are rushed to get to those moments all for the worst for the story.
@@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688 He's supposed to be Mark's best friend. A bunch of shitty one off characters have been made more plot relevant. Like Darkblood. They made a literal joke relevant and then made a character that should be important irrelevant.
@@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688 Also the reanimen arc is sprinkled inbetween a few different arcs. So it wouldn't have been two episodes, it would've been an actual long running subplot. Rick isn't just Williams boyfriend, he was an actual character who was friends with both of them. The Amber scene is put in a really stupid context due to the change etc etc.
A big thing I heard was that Kirkman wanted to wait for the Omniman reveal but the editors were like "You are just doing Superman and the DC universe; people are gonna get bored with a basic ripoff"
well, I agree. The guardians don't need characterisation, once you understand that they're basicaly the justice league, there's no real need to spend time characterising them. The animated version has that freedom because the twist needs to be revealed as an end-of-episode cliffhanger, so the whole episode needed to happen first and it left room for characterisation.
The reshuffling of events works so damn well. Changing Mark and Nolan's fight from the inciting incident of the story to the end of the first act wouldn't have felt as satisfying in the show. I don't hate the comic's structure because it works for what it is but the changing medium and the way we consume shows compared to comics meant that they had to change events. I'm just glad that it worked out.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Omniman's reveal as a villain in the comics after some numbers gave readers a good surprise but the effect only lasted a while. The reveal happening at the beginning gave the watchers suspense about him, the watchers instead of focusing in those making the investigation, focused on how Omniman was hidding his trails and kept them waiting for the reveal.
The difference between the comic and the show is: The comic burned down a house it didn't build up. So always remember: "You can't burn down a house that doesn't exist".
False. Did you read it all or just comment based on the video? The comics built a huge ass house, it just wasn't built in a "season" like the show. I have read it all multiple times. Both have their shining moments and differences worth having. I prefer what the show is doing for the tv format. The comics got it right for that format.
@@vaderguitarplayer I am reading the comics, and I’ve gone past at least chapter 13 and IMO it really felt rather rushed, this could also be because I’m generally reading manga where they take their time a bit more but that’s how i see it.
@@sirapple2406, this is because you are comparing the two. The show decided to slow down and focus on things the comics didn't. The comics get to where it needs to be focussing on other things. Chapter 13 is not enough to guage it by. That is only enough to compare where the story is with the show, and of course the show jammed more in there to show relationships and other important factors the comics get to. In the comics there is a long period where mark gets used to his powers. Once he gets a little comfortable the story picks up more like the show.
@@vaderguitarplayer what you said about showing off the relationships is exactly what I was talking about, when I was reading the comic it felt like a lot of things were left up in the air, whereas the show really showed me the relationships between the characters. It added more punch to the big fight and mystery with Omni man. To use my previous statement: the house the comic built felt much less stable than the one the show built.
@@sirapple2406, less stable because you have not read that much. Lol This girlfriend, forgot her name, is of no real importance in the comics aside from a bridge to get to Eve, where the relationship actually means something.
The comics most certainly do improve as time goes on. I would definitely suggest reading the rest. I have only read the first 2 compendiums (which is like the first 96 issues) but it has been wild how good it's been so far. I do feel like the pacing in the beginning of the comics was off but it got better over time in my opinion.
6:12 The cool thing about this...is anyone can show up, and rewrite the first chapter, with their own pacing and stuff... ...wonder if anyone's gonna do that...
Also, having grown up with an abusive father, Omniman was a very effective character for me emotionally. Even now my father is so much stronger physically than I am, and the way he loomed over us physically and emotionally made Omniman haunting when he wasn’t violent, and more frightening when he was.
I really like how the handled immortals resurrection. Cecil could have resurrected him literally at any time but he didn’t and we know why he didn’t without the show just blurting it out.
@@eldgepollard5906 Because Cecil didn't want Omni-Man to know he's suspicious. For most of the show Cecil tries to find countermeasures that can hold off Omniman, and he can't afford losing any time to prepare. He even banished Damien to that end. Cecil knew that the Immortal would immediately charge Omni-Man in a fit of rage as soon as he gets put back together, which would start the war before he's done preparing, so he had to keep him out of the picture. They explicitly kept his head separate from his body so he couldn't restore himself.
@@dtrain8530 of course not. He still wrote an undeniably incredible piece of literature that will go down in history. But the comparisons to JK Rowling come from the significant changes he made to his story at the very end. Some people like it, others don’t. Nobody’s saying haha “Isayama bad”
10:40 "In the comics, that's nowhere to be found" Uhh, yes, it is. After the fight, a recording from Mark and Nolan's fight got leaked to the public and it was awful seeing Debbie's reaction after listening Nolan's words on the TV.
@@Aedi they pooled storylines and events that occurred all throughout the first 25-30 issues into those 8 episodes, and the omniman fight happened in issue 7. They just kinda retconned the timeline to make them fit
I found the comic version of this better cause Debbi recognizes some changes in Omniman but is clueless about their origin. This makes the reveal hit even harder than her already starting to connect the dots like in the series
“Earth isn’t yours to concur” is probably my favorite line in the show. Because in most other superhero stories that would imply Earth is no one’s to concur. But you can easily visualize Nolan following up that line with, “it’s mine.”
Seriously!!! Its so good because if you dont know his plan then it comes off like he COULD just be aggressively protecting earth. There's also that spice of "wait, is there a bad implication there?" And i love that. The show does a great job of making you still sympathize and not know or really want Nolan to be the bad guy he is until the end once you learn the true motives
5:23 "To the comic's credit, the Omni-Man who slaughters them instantly feels more powerful." I actually *love* that the show's Omni-Man gets the shit kicked out of him and nearly dies. It raised the stakes of the spectacle, 'cause, hell, he might not win with all of the abuse he was taking. War Woman nearly bashed his skull in with her mace, and when Immortal comes back, he seems to be putting up a decent enough fight. If anything, Omni-Man gets some excellent *limiting* in his fight against the Guardians, which is exactly what Superman and all of his many parody characters so desperately need. It is much harder to write Superman with the cumulative history he has behind him, because it makes him [INVINCIBLE] ( _blood splatter_ ), but Omni-Man gets a pretty clear limit on his power that contextualizes the other characters that fight him for the rest of the show. And, comparing that to Mark later on in his fight against Omni-Man, it demonstrates that Mark has a *lot* of growing up and powering-up to do before he's on Omni-Man's level. It's fucking GREAT.
Kirkman is super well known for, on a second retelling of the same story (the walking dead for example) changing things to be the way he would’ve rather told the story if he could start again. He learns from what he didn’t like, and helps it to fit closer around what he did like, it’s super cool and I have a lot of faith for season 2 and beyond
When I was learning storytelling, one of the pieces of advice I got was to ask yourself the question "If you're not telling the most interesting part of your story right now, why not? What are you waiting for?" The point of asking the question isn't a rhetorical one. Sometimes there are barriers that prevent you from telling the most interesting part right away. I could write a punch, but it's more effective with a wind-up. I could write a story where my sports team wins the big game right away, but it's more effective if they're the underdog first. If my story has a big plot twist that the nexus is actually the reverb interlacing sphinx, my readers need to fully understand what those things mean for the twist to mean anything. You take a world like ATLA and simply present the idea of "evil Avatar," and you can get people excited from concept alone. The same pair of words mean little to nothing if you applied them to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. You'd need to set it up first. In terms of reading Unique's webcomic and reviewing my own, I think long-term success is about consistency in as many areas as possible. Frontloading the best parts can earn an audience, but it won't maintain one. Taking forever to reach something interesting will make the comic a dry, dry desert that few will slog through to see, even if it does get interesting eventually. What I think is most important is to give readers a sense of what they can expect, and then continue to deliver that. A particular sense of humor, a particular art style, a particular tone, a particular concept. With some expediency, give them enough material to write out their own interesting story in their head. Or even better, one that could play out many different ways. A troublemaking boy gets punished for mouthing off to his obnoxious, no-nonsense teacher. He gets mad and runs away, falling down a flight of stairs in his carelessness. He miraculously ends up unhurt, but he soon finds that everyone else now speaks a bizarre language he cannot understand, and they can't understand him either. After reaching a point of despair where he can find no one that speaks normally, he finally finds someone who can, and it happens to be the super-strict teacher that he despises so much. Immediately establish a premise, and you create a vehicle that can propel a story forward. Change anything about the vehicle, and you can restrict or free yourself in different ways. It ties back to Unique's Harry Potter video on getting handicapped by premise alone, but since the premise dictates a plot, it can dictate plot twists as well. What if instead of the teacher, the one the boy understands is their bully? Their best friend? A celebrity they see on television? A ghost? Each of these is a different story, likely requiring a different setup to maximize effectiveness, and each one could have a different explanation for how or why the boy ended up in this state. Personally I think that the most interesting stories are the ones that are tailored to challenge the characters. To force the characters to face the situation they would dislike the most and see how they respond to it. When I think of all my favorite stories, premises, and character dynamics, this concept tends to pop up. The greats tend to couple this with incredible worldbuilding, artwork, and/or power systems, but these tend to act as the icing on the cake. And the sight of icing without a cake is kind of sad to imagine.
@Cloudy Nguyen Thanks for taking the time to read it and share. I've got great interest in storytelling and what draws us to it, so I'm always glad to encourage more of it. Shoot me a tweet sometime if you ever write something you want feedback on. @MagerBlutooth on Twitter.
Hearing how you relate to this problem with your own writing was so great. I haven’t actually started my own writing yet, but I’m sure it’s got the same problems. And it reminds me of a bunch of dnd campaigns I’ve run with my friends, so much running to the next important thing.
The fact that video exists shows just how much Kirkman has improved as a writer and storyteller. The comic ran just over 15 years and evolved a lot over that time, and the show felt like the perfect retelling of the beginning, in the style and tone of what the comic had been chiselled down to in the later years. It’s not too often that someone gets to retell a story they created after all is said and done and I think Kirkman is so far using that advantage well.
What I like about the teleported device at the end is that it was kind of foreshadowed with the Titan bit. How does Invincible stop Machinehead? Well, if he can just teleport away, not very well. It’s faster than him, and getting instantly out of ranch nullifies most of Invincible’s power set. So when it shows up at the end to stall Omniman, we already know it’s a great counter to his powers.
3:04 just to clarify, no, william was not changed to a gay character in the show, william eventually does come out of the closet in the comic (i know that's a spoiler but... you already knew he was gay lol)
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I highly recommend that you read the rest of the comic. It gets insane. 144 issues and I no lifed it in 4 days cause it was that good.
I wouldn’t even laugh at the writers for trying to create diversity, it’s this stupid “inclusion” politically liberal policy that Amazon has that it requires in its show content. It would make stories like Squid Game, ATLA, and LOTR impossible or untenable to do under Amazon.
The pacing of the comics was a Trainwreck
Honestly omniman getting hit by the space laser is sort of a microcosm of this entire point. They take the time to show you not just the immediate crater the weapon causes, but everything that was destroyed in just firing the thing. Acres of land are glassed, untold thousands if not millions of wildlife is vaporized. Birds rain from the sky in the aftermath, and all it does is give our villain a nosebleed.
All that for a drop of blood.
As a fan of massive explosions, rarely is the weight of their usage given sufficient screen time. Orbital bombardment is the stuff of nightmares. It was an excellent scene to demonstrate the insurmountable wall that is Omniman.
absoluteky, that explosion and the result in the enviroment was really good - only that three cyborg did more damage was really not that great.
Take it as foreshadowing for of all places but marvel with the line ‘if you can make god bleed, people will cease to believe in him’
@@DTheWhiteWolfD it's usually like that, but they manage to erase that feeling with Omni-man, even if they make him bleed i kept on thinking that he was unstoppable
I read the comic years ago but I remember some line where Cecil said that every time he teleports it costs the American Taxpayers $250,000 or something like that. And that's all I think of whenever I see him teleport in the show.
Lmao so that’s why American puts so much into military.
5 millions dollars yeah lmao
Wait why?
@@AstandsforAlex I suppose it requires a lot of energy
He did say in the comics that he might be addicted to teleporting.
The train jokes will never get old, just like the passengers
Well you just secured your place in hell.
Shut up and take my like, you fucking deserve it
I hate you. This is really good and I hate you.
These jokes are going off the rails now
@@danielf1833 You have also earned your place in hell. I guess we will all be vibing in hell.
When Cecil teleports into the Grayson’s home, and Nolan nearly chokes him to death, Cecil says something like ‘I wanted the front porch, but this thing isn’t 100% accurate.’
But it’s shown to be pretty freaking accurate the rest of the show, especially him talking it out with Nolan in Ep 8. My headcannon is that Cecil was testing Nolan, to see if he really was as violent and anger-prone as Cecil was theorizing. To see if he really was as benefiting as he claimed, or was as ruthless as his image was becoming
Damn, I didn't even think about that.
Iirc it's him calling Nolan's bluff on his claim of getting jumped in the dark or something. He suspected it was a lie, since Nolan has amazing perception and wouldn't just get jumped like that.
@@Slaking_ Considering how he could react and counter Red Rush when being attacked, I can definitely see that reasoning
@@Slaking_which even if they some how didn't know it was him by the time Cecil's men pulled up to Nolan the way he detects the invisible soilder and fucking lodges a damn gun in his head is crazy
To me it is not a theory. That's literally what we see happens in the scene. Cecil keeping and eye in Omniman
The guardians were changed up to match their voice actors, who were chosen because... They were walking dead alumni. Which was a fun Easter egg.
Wait omgs that’s so cool
@@FosterF. and also some characters having the same death in the walking dead
The only real change was making the Green Ghost a woman. S/he and Darkwing were always black
@@Warriorten10 Darkwing doesn't look black to me in the comics. But he appears in like 5 panels at most so I'm not entirely sure.
@@JesterQueenAnne the second darkwing is definitely black. i don’t remember the first though.
Dude I will forever love the foreshadowing in the scene where he says "Earth is not your world to conquer."
If I didn’t read the comic Omni-Man being evil would be much more amazing watching the show, though it still is crazy
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Maybe I'm just dumb but I never really questioned what he meant I that scene. Before that I was torn on whether he's actually evil, but that line just made it click "ohh shit so he wants to be the one to conquer earth"
@@MCTogs yeah something the show did really well was keeping you wondering if Omni-Man was actually evil or not. At least for me I was still thinking there was a good reason for everything for a while.
Such an amazing line
When a writer gets to rewrite his story...it will usually always be better in every aspect. Why adaptations should ALWAYS have the original writer involved.
Egh, this isn't always true. Look at Stephen's King "The Shinning". Kubrick's adaptation is a classic while the King involved mini series is not.
TV, Movies, Books, and comics need different things to work. Jumping from one format to the next you have to understand how they are different and how the audience is also different. Also the pacing of receiving the story. It's one thing to take something in a binge and another for you to show up to a comic store every week for a new issue and be motivated to do so. People picking up the Invincible comic now are getting it in anthology form, which was not the case back at release. In fact, it was called too slow with it's reveal not to fast where as the TV series murders the Guardians of the Globe right away and then builds a series around the whys. It actually drops the hook faster.
When translating a work from one format to another some authors/writers are really good at improving the work in translation or making it at least as good as it's other format while others are terrible at it because they don't understand the difference between works. Sometimes authors improved their work in adaptation and other times they kinda ruin it if they are too involved and don't know how to let things go that don't work in the new format.
@@TheDawnofVanlife Usually lol...Stephen King is a tbh overrated writer.
@@gnarlyburrito5123 True, but I still think someone who writes novels/graphic novels/comics doesn't always know how to write movies or TV or even use animation to it's best potential.
A writer of one format isn't always good in another format. While I do not think original authors should be ignored by studios in adaptation, original authors also need to know when another format is not there forte. And that's ok. It's ok to be just a good novelist or just a good screen writer or just a good comic book writer. They are different styles with different needs.
@@TheDawnofVanlife some writers struggle with pacing or translating their words in a film yes, but most of the time writers work with a screenwriter to make it into a film format. Stephen King doesn't ever do that. Man works alone or leaves it completely to the director/screenwriter
@@gnarlyburrito5123 I mean we are always going to have the flaws of human hubris as a factor, but plenty of successful adaptations didn't have the original author involved (sometimes cause they are dead at the point of adaptation) but I don't think they *need* to be involved for it to be good, the adapter just needs to have respect for what the fans love about it. Usually things get adapted to carry over a fan base. I'm just saying the involvement of the original writer, depending on the type of person the writer themselves are, could be bad or good. And I don't think the lack of involvement of the original writer is an automatic handicap or boon to the process. It really depends on the writers involved (adapters and original author) and overall respect for the work in adaptation.
It's also nice that Darkblood actually plays a role in the show. He was kinda forgotten in the comics. He came back and said he made progress in the investigation _after_ Nolan had already been outed as the bad guy, and was swept aside by a joke from a random unnamed receptionist. In the show, he actually has a purpose in the story.
I also just like the, "demon who's actually the morally righteous character" trope. it sounds kinda cliche but I haven't seen it done before
@@jackoster7115
I’d recommend checking Hellboy movies comics etc. It’s literally the entire premise.
@@jackoster7115 Hazbin hotel’s main character Charlie
The author began writing the comic many years ago, it makes sense that he would grow in skill and learn to sharpen his storytelling. Now being able to return to the beginning he has applied what he’s learned over the years in order to improve the story.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 it's not easy to condense a bunch of issues for comics in eight episodes and Jojo definitely is not the best example when it comes to consistency
@@brimward122 please, any worth your time anime manages to adapt in 20 minutes at least 2 issues of material and sometimes straight up 5, while trying best to stay close to main story. Invincible doesn't even try when it has pretty much double episodes on it's side to get most of source material, but chooses to sabotage itself by changing most of characterization and plot beats. Animating isn't easy, but I have seen better shows which manage to hide cheapness of shots through clever directing, a thing Invincible can only dream.
JoJo is perfect display of being originality in presentation and managing adapt in 39 episodes 100+ chapters, while respecting source. Again, quality of unknown for Invincible with their Amber and whole Omni-man strength issue and taking 16 episodes worth of time to adapt 14 issues and shoe horning later plot points with no taste.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 "cartoon bad anime good I swear I'm not a weeb"
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 bruh Jojo’s consistency in the earlier parts are just as bad as what you claim invincible is. And moments lost to animation is also apparent in Jojos. Take part 1, where they take out moments of speedwagon helping out the gang which ends up with him just looking like a sideline commentator in the anime instead of a genuine bro that also helped out whenever he can, or part 3 where they cut out some bits of Jotaro showing other emotions so in the anime he came across as more of the stoic edgelord instead of a guy that genuinely cares about his friends and family that hides that behind a stoic facade. Plus Jojo had way more episodes per season compared to invincible so if anything Invincible did a great job making the series while also improving on old moments
@@nanda12345ful bruh, what? We are talking about adaptation and anime adapts manga, so what the issue? Are you so pathetic to make strawman and not engage the argument? Want to know cartoons I respect? Rise Of TMNT, for being fresh air in animation industry which lacked action cartoons and be bold AU which set uped stuff and only then gone for twists. It's sad that it got cut short. Kid Cosmic is everything Invincible should have been. Show which builts up facade of just parody adventure to then hit hard with twists. For real, I'm weird out how good that show got structure and spirit of Invincible first comic arc better than official adaptation. It even got dark humor and big kill count, add some blood and you're set.
Kirkman was actually pushed to have Omni kill the guards on chapter 7, where he said he didn’t want to happen until 25
Invincible in vrchat??👁👄👁
@@_vibex_2614 bruh 💀
Damn, didn't know that. I guess the "bitch, I wrote Walking Dead" cred he gained in the intervening 18 years really paid off
Was it 25? I thought it was 12?
Why was he pushed to do that???
Cecil is honestly my favorite character, he consistently stays in a grey area while staying charismatic
who the f is cecil
@@Archonsx
the guy working for the government
@@mikemorro140 in the show they don’t really describe his sheer position in the government. His position is so high that it doesn’t have a name
@@Archonsx tell me you didn't watch or read invincible without telling me you didn't watch or read invincibe
@Shin Shaman dog ur whole channels is trash ima be honest
I think the biggest difference is the massive tone shift. Early invincible is a borderline superhero satire, and plays the majority of early stories for laughs with a dark undercurrent. Being a superhero is mundane to Marc and family becsuse they're so used to it. It isn't until later that the comic morphs into the more serious tone the show adopts outright
@legacysquid0625Yes, I agree. The show doesn't sit right with me. It feels like it's ashamed of the source material. I can't bring myself to watch season 2. It feels like I'm watching the animated representation of a "gaslighting lie".
@@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678worst possible take
@@CousinBowling It's really not. You're not going to convince me that my eyes are lying to me.
@@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678 garbage taste
Agreed. The dark part of the story is what keeps Invincible entertaining. It's pretty whimsical and hard to take seriously without it. I really struggled getting into the show until the final part of episode 1.
That “trains mark hard” joke was the one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard
And it took me seeing in written form to notice it, thank you
Yeah that punchline hit me like a
Like a train. That was bad I’m sorry
@@breaddies3610 Just like Robin
@@breaddies3610 Its okay, you just gotta TRAIN more of your jokes
@@bleke3897 shut the fuck up-
Actually having the guardians put up a fight and even nearly beat omni-man also helps validates the reason he does it.
He killed them in order to weaken earth's defences, to prepare earth for the viltrumite invasion. They were the biggest threat, so he took them down.
This doesn't work if he just has a flawless victory, because if he could easily take them all, how are they possibly a threat to an army of viltrums? It makes it less the explanation and more just a bad excuse to kill people.
Little bit of context you get alternate Dimension Noland who basically explains that he was planning it out he was going to have to do it fast because if he didn't the longer it took him to do it the more likely he would talk himself out of it because he was genuinely friends with some of them but his duty viltrum is more important
Omni man allowed them to severely damage him just so he can dodge a little bit of suspicion
Omni man wouldn't need to do that only the Guardians were called and he's not officially a part of the team that's why in the comics it's a genuine surprise because they assume he's not involved at all
@@scandalouspanda7489 this doesnt make sense, if this was the case Nolan should have killed them DURING the invasion, not through the shadows
If terror is your goal, you dont want to make it a secret for too long, thus the real goal was just to clean the earth from its best soldiers, what it makes sense, Immortal, red rush and War Woman did a lot of damage on him, and during a surprise attack where no one of them were near prepared to a fight
Omni-man was fighting himself that's why. The Guardians were his friends. But the mission was more important and had to be done.
The other reason that 2 viltrumites can't just chill and save humans. It's counts as a betrayal for the entire viltrum empire. So it's a war crime and to protect his people he has to conquer by himself or they do it and that will be not so pretty. Other races are also a problem because every race hates Viltrumites and want the planet purged. The best way is to protect Earth is to conquer by himself so the Viltumite empire will protect it instead of destroying it. Viltrumites are known to destroy a planet if they can't conquer it.
That “you dad. I’d still have you” line is for me, what separates invincible from other comics. The main characters almost dead and the villains right there and monologuing, but the hero can’t actually do anything. But then they say something and the villain stops. And just leaves. I haven’t read every comic ever, but I’ve rarely seen this happen, so. I don’t know.
i think some comics do that, except its because of plot armor or their friends swooping in or the hero going super saiyan
@@idonotpost1456 yeah, and granted invincible was for plot, but it hit harder because of the connection that Mark and Nolan have
Comic spoiler.
Mark actually remembers that line at the end of the comic.
He qouted what Nolan asked him "What will you have after five hundred years?".
*Insert bvs martha comment
It's more of the fact that he's not mad at his father after everything he put him through, and the fact that Nolan was denying his true feelings the entire time, and only said that hurtful stuff to get done what he needed to get done.
The flash equivalent is the most haunting death, it comes just after him being with his partner and explaining how every single moment in his life is slowmo, so you can feel how he was slowly feeling everything, how desperate he was, how much he tried to avoid his death.
It's a stupid line to be honest, because it would imply that he's really good at talking really slow lol
@@gustavosauro1882 why wouldn't he be tho, I feel like he'd probably get a lot of practice with making sure he could communicate with people
@@gustavosauro1882 It implies that because the story actually HAS it that way. He trained himself to speak in slow mo. Makes him even more badass
...if a few minutes feels like hours to this guy.. how'd he get caught by omnimans grab?? There's no "predicting" a guy reacting faster
@@CheeseDanishMysteriousnessOmni man is fast too but not as fast as red rush. O man was predicting where red rush was going to attack so it's more of a 50/50 thing
Kirkman was very inexperienced when he started Invincible. You can see the great ideas but I doubt he knew Invincible would get time and pages to tell the story he wanted to tell. Hindsight and confidence helps the adaption.
Adding to this, in one of the Penvincipals section of the comic (answering fan letters basically) Kirkman revealed that he did not at all expect Invincible to sell so well, he thought he maybe just had the time and pages to do 20-something issues, fortunately he got way more and was able to finish the story the way he wanted to
It still was a good comic
I read the entire comic after watching the show, the show 100% makes all the moments more impactful and better. A lot of moments have been moved around, a lot of the events in the show happen after omniman has left the planet, and it works way more in the show. Kirkman definitely learnt and got better even throughout the comic and now onto this show
@@ktp01 pad doggie guy
In the penvincipals for the last issue he explained that he actually had to move the guardians fight up to chapter 7?? Instead of the 20s or 30s where he initially planned for it to go
“Finally some action”
*gets head exploded by a mace 10 minutes later
I laughed so hard at that point.
That video is what introduced me to invincible
Actually thats a lie, it was autotune machine head
Well it's action, isn't it?
He of all people should have realized something was fishy
"Put him on the right Tracks"
I'M DYING
0:35 then 3:45
just like all those people in the train did
the puns were on point with this one
These train jokes are reaching Nina Tucker levels
I’m really hoping mark brings up how messed up that was when they eventually see each other again, it would be so disconcerting for mark to not bring it up.
I remember when I watched invincible I was like “Oh these characters are funny and cool” Then they all died and I was just shocked and sat in silence when the episode ended
Go read the comics. Invincible is basically Superhero GoT
@@slein1055 My guy, the literal author of the comics said the show was better, silence
@@heilmodrhinnheimski bit the show is not finished and won't be for years, peasant! Also, never said the comics were "better" although I did feel some things were better done in the comics, like Amber.
@slein1055 I agree I got the comics because I couldn't wait for the show, i do think the show is better but I still can't stop reading the comics
@@slein1055 Tbh show learned from comics and from critique, Amber actually had a character in season 2, and didn't shit on mark for not giving her attention. Also Kirkman is a fucking genius, and having him rewrite the show with other amazon writers i think was actually a good choice.
You need to remember the context of when the comic was coming out. The complaint wasn't actually that it was too fast, it was that it was too slow. Each issue was coming out once per month. The thing with comics, Kirkman talks about this more now, is that you want the hook early on (in this case Omniman is the bad guy). He originally wanted this reveal around issue #25. That is well over 2 years of set up for a hook. Image told him to get the hook down early because who knows if his comic would even be profitable enough. He did it and it worked and got more readers. Like 2 decades later, he understood this concept much better. That is why it was definitely his idea to have the hook be in the first episode. It worked again in the show format.
An underrated difference between the comic and the show is mark’s reaction to cecil offering him a partnership. It felt so off to me that mark mentally recovered so quickly, the kid just got beaten nearly to death by his genocidal dad and was just “cool i have a job now”.
Him taking time to think about it and saying he’ll just finish highschool first, because he had no idea what to do next, felt much more organic and sensible for where his character is at that point in the story
I think it worked better in the comic because there Mark was actually taking over for his dad and he assumed Cecil would keep his mother safe plus he wanted to make amends for his father. Plus early on he had nowhere near the doubt that he has in the show about being a superhero
@@jasonjones3328 Plus Cecil paid for him to go to college. That’d put a lot of people in a good mood for at least that instant. The comic does at least show later on that Mark and Debbie are still recovering from Nolan’s betrayal.
@@jasonjones3328 yeah exactly, the guardians are dead, omni man just left the planet, his mom is a wreck and he still has to worry about his academic career in the comics. Cecil's offer in the comics helps mark to feel he can make a difference about each of these situations - each of which he has personal investment in.
Think that's something this video misses in general, that stories are more about characters than events. It's true the show is stacked more back to back with big events than the comic, but the characters actually suffer the same depth of development they do in the comics (I know he talked about the guardians and impact etc, but that's breadth of development not depth - seeing lots of reactions to big events actually gives us less to really care about than seeing the consistency of a family that cares for each other in the little ways day to day for several issues). Seeing people go :o at an event or have drama every episode isn't the same thing as really getting to know the ins and outs of what feels like a healthy family, and then intimately feeling the effects of the betrayal of its patriarch and how it makes the family structure fracture.
@@MabinogiChristianJ so you're basically saying that you liked the high focus on Marks family and how something so sudden like betrayal affected them. (Superhero version) lol
@@Juju-co8ys Yeah, basically I guess. I think the way things were laid out in the comics worked better - when you feel almost as blindsided as Mark when you find out what Omni man has done because he's been characterized as just a normal dad to mark. In the show I felt like they telegraphed way harder and made him have way more questionable and aggressive moments so it's really not as much of a twist that Omni wasn't exactly who he appeared to be. Also the characters feel more like people and less like CW drama teens in the comic. In the show there are a bunch of moments where people have disagreements or fights where they just... didn't need to (the first one that comes to mind is when mark and his mom get snippy with each other on the rooftop for no good reason).
And on that note a lot of the characters like Mark's mom and ofc the now infamous Amber are just weirded in their characterization because it feels like they're trying to give them more development, not realizing that a contrived character with lots of time devoted to them is still less impactful than a genuine-feeling character who has almost no screentime.
Just a whole bunch of little things basically that end up adding up in the end.
It's important to remember that one issue of a comic is much shorter than an episode of a tv show, and they release monthly. As it is the build up in the comics took almost a year to happen if you read along. If they had kept holding off on the reveal for dramatic effect, there would be a risk of readers getting bored with the story. Especially when it has to fight for shelf space with the heavy hitters at Marvel and DC.
Did not know that it was monthly. I am sure many story moments were cramped together to try to keep attention spans. I wonder if there are weekly or bi-weekly american comics?
@@josesosa3337 sometimes depends on the series
@@GringoXalapeno Yep. Or publisher.
I don't think the pacing was fast at all when I read the comics. I felt like the pacing was too slow. Overall, the real problem was of structure, and not pacing. The comics spend a lot of time being sidetracked in the earlies until the Omni-man's revalation to Mark. The Amazon series fixed this by restructuring the order of events and adding meat to what was already there.
@@josesosa3337 weekly comics are a rarity because of how much work they take, so those are often cut down to comic-strips instead. Bi-weekly comics do happen, but most artists tend to frequently miss deadlines. So generally comics in America tend to go the monthly/bi-monthly route.
The comic gets exponentially better as it goes . Writing gets better and better , visuals get better and better
Omniman to the comic: "WERE YOU RUSHING? OR WERE YOU DRAGGING?!"
Comic: "rushing?"
Ominman: "SO YOU DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!"
' you are worthless piece of shit that greatest achievement was leading to the show so say IM UPSET!'
*Comic:* I'm upset!
'Louder!'
*Comic:* I'M UPSET!!!
took me a bit to remember what this was
Man, I feel like I took a whiplash when I realized it was Whiplash.
Whiplash Reference
Fletcher would slaughter Omni-Man
i feel like omni man going quiet when he found out that mark had powers was because he realised what that meant it was time to do. And I guess he's not completely cold hearted.
thats actually what he says in the comics
Cold hearted the whole time he told mark that he is one of him lol.
He only cared for mark cause of the power the kid has.
*Sip tea*
If mark was powerless well it is what it is.
@@lolicongang.4974 well, no. In the comics he explains that he was changed by mark's mother too, actualy by the entire world. (And let's just say other caracter take his role)
@@kaikymontozocosta9874
Oh I seeing a cliche here where it's all badass in the start and boring in the end.
@@lolicongang.4974
Then why didnt he just kill mark when it was obvious hed never help him?
Kirkman wanted the big Omniman twist to occur around issue 25 in his original breakdown of the story. Image convinced him to move it up. I wouldn’t say it was a failure of a self conscious writer so much as a publisher/editor begging a young and yet unproven writer of a month to month series to “get to the hook” before readership writes off a series as “just another generic superhero” book.
Huh interesting... the more you know.
I wouldn't call Kirkman an "unproven talent" when he started Invincible though. Walking dead had already been running for a while and was quite popular.
@@hobbes4011 Invincible started about 10 months prior to Walking Dead. Before Invincible, Kirkman did some short runs on other Image superhero books.
@@bravecorporatelogo Really? I always thought TWD was his start at image. I stand corrected.
I mean they could have made a mystery comic where Omniman kills the Guardians at the end of the first issue but we never see the assailant and have to go on the journey with the characters.
What I like is how "realistic" the characters in the show are, as well as in the comics. Everybody actually feels written like a person, with baggage and emotions.
Invincible: A show about a kid being super fucking vincible.
He's still alive at the end seems pretty invincible
@@slimefood4045 Boi he is getting his ass kicked every five minutes, he is only surviving because everyone gets bored
He have a slow regeneration that can cure his severe wounds. Invincible is a symbolic title not a literally he passed through time trough making decisions constantly , being cheated on , to being massacre brutally, to see his love ones beings constantly hurt by his villain or enemies, constantly debating with his enemies or friends. Sometimes, some betrayed him in his back. Yep , Mark is one of those hereoes you wuold not want to be a superheroe at all . He struggle emotionally, financially , carreerise and relationships but he does not give up no matter how much pressure or difficult a situation he try his best to deafeat them or reason with or argue. That is why he is invincible not because he is literally unbeatable.
@Gig Bay Gib Grain
that seems to be pretty broken later too though
The title's a grower, not a shower.
Nolan: WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS!?!?
Mark: Invincible Season 2 Dad
“Invincible season 2, Dad. And Season 3”
Omni-Man: "Ah, damn, I gotta go watch that!" *zooms off*
*title screen*
"THAT'S NOT TILL ANOTHER FIVE HUNDRED YEARS, MARK"
*Flies to space crying*
@@4cocacola4 season two of "title card"
Invincible is the first superhero show to make me feel venerable and human
vulnerable*
@@FlowKom thankyou, im illiterate lol
Venerable?
Visible
Invincible made you feel vincible
One thing I really like about the Guardians murder in the show is the fact that no music was playing. There wasn't no epic or intense music, it was just sound effects of fighting and murders.
It's really small but it did change up the scene dramatically.
Also, season two, how much more blood must be shed for the title
"In episode one you're like wow this dude trains mark hard then in episode eight you're like wow this dude trains mark hard" -Best quote of all time
100th like,first comment and billionth didn't ask cliché
Unique tells quite a few jokes. Luckily it didn't DERAIL the essay!
Yeah Kirkman has gone on record saying that the adaptations of his works, which he works on, are the modified and abridged versions of his works. Where he can change, rearrange, and re-do things he has come to dislike since he originally wrote them.
Glad to hear the original creator is involved with these changes. I mean I’m impressed at how much they’ve been legitimate improvements that take these scenarios further and not someone screwing up the main story like I’ve scene of other adaptations.
Kirkman is like the exact opposite of Alan Moore when it comes to adaptations.
@@maxhydekyle2425 The issue is a lot of Moore's adaptations miss critical social commentary and are more action-forward, leading to many misunderstanding the purpose of his works.
Which is all well and good until you realize it includes Amber
@@felixjohnson3874race swap sweet and innocent character in the comics for seemingly no reason>change everything about her personality>turn her into a giant negative stereotype> what did kirkman mean by this?
Okay can we just talk about how fucking heart breaking that "I'll still have you, dad" line is? As someone who had an abusive father and tried so hard to find the love in his actions before his death, it hit me very, very hard.
_Like how the train hit those people IM SO SORRY_
made me smile
The difference is, up until that episode, Nolan was not abusive.
admit it,, you're not sorry
More like how Invincible hit that train LMAO
I cried during that scene, it was so heartbreaking… that even after all of that- he still loves his father
PSA: if you liked the show, read all of the comic, i did after finishing the show and its such a beautifully crafted story as it goes on, the first portion of the comic is definitely rushed but once you get past that it gets so good and so worth it. The ending of the comic felt so nice and satisfying but also sad because its the end of such an amazing story
After I watched season 2 I read the comics qmd they are so good
Spoiler Alert
I really hate robot though he's a pedophile who kills all the best characters like shapesmith and cecil
I like how Mark's called Invincible for a simple reason, not because his body is actually invincible, cuz let's be real, it's more like a punching back, but because his spirit is, in a way, actually invincible.
God that sounded corny... Still fits tho
but because his spirit is, in a way, actually [TITLE CARD]
@@whinebite i mean of course, that's why he was called [BLOODY TITLE CARD]
Yea its like Mark has indomitable willpower which is the invincible thing he’s just not indestructible
Damn, didn't even notice that, thx man
Ya he had the spoiler alert, balls and determination to fight the strongest viltrumite to ever live in the sun and win
The “This dude TRAINS Mark” joke was so fucking good, I had a very loud laugh
I almost choked on my food 😭
Hammer-time was also good
I guess training went off the rails.
I just got this!
he just wanted some subway dude
Even saying that the Omniman in the comics feels more powerful when he kills the guardians should come with a caveat. It makes more sense for Omniman to be wiped out after killing the guardians because the entire reason he did it was to lower Earth's defenses. If Omniman could wipe them out easily, what's the point of even doing it? What are they going to do against even ten Omnimen?
I mean to be fair if they were that much of a threat that does also bring up why he didn't just kill them off separately
@@mikemorro140 Element of surprise. If he killed any Guardian, he would have to rush and find all the others before the death was discovered, or they would be alert and prepared for next attack. And maybe he didn´t know their secret identities. So luring them all together to one place is probably best.
And he did seem surprised/annoyed that they put up as much of a fight as they did. That wasn´t the plan.
Well it has because he alone was assigned this mission and because he wanted to go through with it as mark got his powers he had to kill the toughest defense to earth being the guardians
@@johnyshadow
He did know their identities though as it's established that they were all friends and apparently Red Rush's wife was living close enough that Debbie could sell their house.
Well, spoilers, but by the end of the comic Mark is sent back in time and warns the Guardians of the Globe of Nolan. And they actually dispatch him without any losses. They were the best of the best and were a threat and had to be taken out by surprise.
In his interview with ComicTropes’ Chris, Kirkman explains that the higher ups at Image Comics basically told him his comic would be cancelled if he didn’t bump up Omni-man’s reveal. Great video essay!
I'm so glad this "think Mark" meme has spread so much, as I probably never would have seen it.
Yeah but it means the show is spoiled for the majority of people:(
@@emptyoliveold1114
True. I didn’t see anything other than the picture though, and never very closely, so I went in without it being too bad. I deliberately avoided any video memes to avoid understanding any context. Plus after the end of the first episode, you know something like that is probably coming eventually. My brother on the other hand basically watched the whole monologue before seeing the show.
I watched the scene but had zero context, so had no idea omniman was evil. I thought maybe mark was fucking some shit up and omniman had to stop him or something, so was still a huge shock when omniman killed the guardians - schafrilla has a really good video about how invincible has the perfect twist villain even though they gave him away in episode 1
Same!
Not really actually, I thought personally when I saw the meme it was this more powerful superhero (based off omni mans build) giving a younger superhero Mark a Pep talk
Williams's sexuality was not changed for the show. It's revealed around issue 80 that he's been in the closet when Eve comes to the apartment he stays at with rick. 3:04
That's true, but I think he has a lot more fun in the show. In the comics, he's kind of an asshole to mark, almost a bully, constantly teasing him and getting mad at him, whining a lot, etc, with no other personality traits. In the show, he's a likeable (or at least enjoyable to watch) character.
@@manspaghetti6351 He is certainly likable and, as a pansexual person who is gay leaning, his opinions on Omni-Man were spot on. Nolan is super hot and that mustache is top tier and as soon as William said that I fell in love with the character, a little bit of representation (even through comedy) is very appreciated.
@@manspaghetti6351 That's not entirely true. The comic William is more understated, plus there is a great running joke with the "dude, that's totally gay."
Comic William is just trying to be a bro who can be a douche. William in the show is the sassy gay boy cranked up to 11.
I think they are both mediocre characters in different ways. Book Williams also has a really impactful reveal where you discover near the end that he actually was in love with Mark the whole time while they were in high school, but didn't want to ruin their friendship, which also explains why he acted out.
there is no way you could do that with show William.
@@REDDAWNproject Exactly, I also feel more of a connection to comic William because me and my friends have the same dynamic irl.
@@arlaux1099 I read that as "gay learning" and I was so confused
The twins are probably my favorite because of their hilarious personalities and Run The Jewels plays when they do badass stuff
The Twins were like (to me), Venture Bros. levels of good. Funny, smart and idiotic at the same time, and both simple and complex. How they were designed for the show really is a masterclass example of not just worldbuilding, but characterbuilding.
Some of the best lines throughout the entire series. Can't wait to see more of them.
I think the best part of the revised Guardians scene is that it makes Omni-Man's justification for killing them seem reasonable from his perspective. In the comics, he completely no diffs them, and then a bunch of chapters later it just goes "Oh yeah, if they knew beforehand they would've won lol." What was the point in even doing that if they didn't even stand a chance? Why would he do something that he should've known would out him to the world and Mark if they clearly weren't a threat to a Viltrumite in the first place?
In the show, he actually gets pretty badly fucked up even by their sloppy and uncoordinated reaponse, so it makes sense that he takes the risk and kills them, because we visibly see that they are actually a threat to him. It's very easy to picture a scenario where _this_ iteration of the Guardians could kill him given the right preparation. The show's rewrite is significantly better than the comics for so many reasons, and this one fairly small detail that adds so much is emblematic of that.
The fight in the comics was a page or 2 with each death being a single panel
don't get me wrong I prefer the show over the comic in this scene, but him killing the guardians so fast was made so they didn't had the chance to respond, he prepared himself for the moment. We've seen so much of this in real life, a kid for some reason kill his family in like 10 minutes, that because that came outta nowhere
"Guys there's like 18 bullets in the ceiling and nowhere else, are you gonna say it was fuckin' Spiderman?" Lmao. That killed me
yes.
Tbf it's plausible to say that since Spiderman does make an appearance in Invincible.
Lol wait till you find out Spiderman and Invicible had a crossover
@Shin Shaman bad bait, too obvious
@Shin Shaman Gotta be more subtle buddy. No one would search for a video about a subject they dislike only to talk about how trash it is, except for trolls. Try actually making it convincing, make false points that could cover your false hatred for the show
"Invincible's [something about the series] is really good, but sincerely? I really dislike [other thing about the series], because [explanation]"
Even better if you actually enjoy the show, as you know the flaws and can actually create a plausible explanation with examples and shit.
Looking at your comic its good keep what you thought were mistakes its also growth a footnote of where you started as I writer you cheese sometimes
You can keep the old version around in an archive while still replacing it with something better and more polished, that better shows new readers what quality of writing and art they can expect if they continue reading, instead of them being turned away due to starting issues the author has since grown out of
can someone decipher this lol
@@Arionid "Looking at your comic, it's good. Keep what you thought were mistakes, it's also growth... a reminder of where you started as a writer." Or atleast that's what I thought they said.
For the cheese part, it's midnight where I am and I don't have the mental capacity to think about it lol. Maybe Uniquenameosaurus is secretly cheese and only they know.
Also to shill his comic as well
@@Arionid "Looking at your comic, It's good. Keep what you thought were mistakes. It's also growth, a footnote of where you started, As a writer, you cheat sometimes."
"Lookinga at you JK Rowling!" - Shows picture of Isayama. This joke is so niche, I can't help but respect the sheer ambition of delivering it.
I also cracked up at the "train" joke.
I'm glad someone gets it, I was just confused. Honestly I still am, I'm not really up on AoT.
@@ThePCguy17 isayama pulled a rowling thats why
@@NeostormXLMAX Ah...I presume that's in the social media shitstorm way? Because...yikes. We didn't need more of that shit.
@@NeostormXLMAX Fuck no he didn't, he tried to rewrite his ending because he's been getting nonstop hate from the fanbase because they weren't happy with his original ending. He didn't go and make a billion revisions to the story and pretend to be more inclusive like Rowling did- absolutely trash comparison.
The comic omni man might have felt more powerful when he killed the guardians of the globe, but the converse is that now it makes little to no sense why he’d kill them. He’s supposed to make sure there are no threats to the viltrumite take over, but the comics guardians of the globe do not feel like a thread to even a single viltrumite, let alone a whole take over operation.
SPOILER FOR THE COMIC
Well I hope you have read the comic cuz Imma drop some spoilers. Yes guardians of the globe alone may not be a threat to even a single viltrumite but you have to remember that the Viltrumite is also an endangered species, what Earth's superheroes may lack in strength they make up for the sheer amount of superpowered beings on earth. Additionally Viltrumites don't always take over planets with sudden and violent takeover everytime, they also do forceful "negotiation" hence why Omni Man had to take out Guardians of the Globe first as they are basically Earth's first line of defense and most likely to retaliate. He probably did it to attack earth's inhabitant morale.
I don't really think comic omniman felt more powerful, it was that the guardians felt weaker
When I watched the first episode I was like: “Oh I thought it would be more violent but it’s ok I guess” then 40 minutes later “ WTF DID HE JUST SMASH FISHMAN’S HEAD”
More like “WTF HE JUST FUCKING KILLED ALL OF THEM”
@@hupalodan no specifically the fishman
"Finally some action" - Fishman, 10 minutes before
Red Rush getting his head crushed a few minutes before Fishman: "Am I a joke to you?"
Is it me or does the show not submerging us in gore really make those moments feel tragic. And in turn makes the heroics better in contrast to when the heroes are losing.
I like how the only person named Immortal in the show, is also the only person to die TWICE
Well dying twice is a feat that no mortal I know can perform
@@ravenstone3436 You must have a pretty boring life if you only meet people who die once. 🥱
@@ravenstone3436 Kono Dio da
I think the point is that he keeps coming back
The “put him on the right track” just gave me flashbacks
Thats concerning🤣
You can now by Merch of that line!
The reason I love this show so much is because Mark Grayson (invincible) isn't called that because he is physically but because his spirit and mainly, his humanity are. Nolan is not a human and doesn't sympathise with humans because they aren't of his own kind and he doesn't feel responsible for them, Mark has this overpowering feeling of responsibility while also having that "teen who wants to get it right" attitude, kind of like Peter Parker in that sense, but the fight between Marks Humanity and Nolans Lack of compassion is an underlying plot point I love to see unfold, because Nolan does love Mark and he does love Debbie but he is loyal to his own kind, as much as that pains him but because Mark is fully human and compassionate, it shows Omni-Mans inner conflict through actual tangible fights. Enough of me waffling with no structure to this comment, have a wonderful day everyone!
I love this pov! I hadn't thought of that as a thematic reason for invincibles name but I really like that interpretation
Can we just take a moment to realize that the red rush killing scene was brutal
He mentions earlier in the episode “I perceive time as fast as my speed. A common conversation feels like hours.” when he was talking to his wife.
It only makes his death worse to think about
His and the green ghost lady’s death bothered me for some reason more than any of the others , also when it came down to the last ones they knew it was either him or them , that part was suspenseful, damn he messed them up bravo for this show
A head squash wouldn't have been super impactful to me, but the fact that he was punching Omni Man's chest the entire time, breaking his own hands and *continuing to punch with said broken hands* really sold that he was desperately trying to survive no matter what.
Personally, the green lady's death was the most disturbing to me. The way his hand pierced through her head and her entire body instantly went limp. Like fuck! That used to be a person!
@@RacingSnails64 I've heard that the green lady said "oh no" because when she caught Dark Wing and became 'touchable' she knew OmniMan was able to kill her
@@fettycheese2498 That's why the scene is in slow motion, it doesm't look like it becaude both red rush and omniman are fast as fuck, but it is if you look at red rush's punches
William actually is gay in the comics, it just only gets revealed a bit later on in the story
Thanks for saving me some time to write a comment
To be exact, he was closeted/in denial(he did date Eve for a while before finally settling with Rick)
Also foreshadowed when he asks to go flying with mark and later, eve.
A bit? More like halfway through if not more then that.
Yeah
Keep reading the Invincible comic, once Kirkman finds his groove, the story gets amazing
Fr, the beginning is rough but once it's gets good it gets GOOD
@@malif1279 but then it gets mediocre and then bad
Also if u already watched s1 start at chapter 60
@@zhanieldawkins7129 I disagree, if you’re reading the comic it’s best to start at the first issue. Some characters are changed and some storylines are cut for the show. The plot is similar but I’d recommend starting from the beginning
@@zhanieldawkins7129 i fully disagree. start at the beginning
It's so funny because this is really accurate but only for the first 12-14 issues. After that the comic slows down and allows The characters to breath. Not to mention the arcs that come out of it and the surprising writing they chose. I think for the most part the comic is more engaging after that and it is totally worth it
The leap in quality once Ryan Ottley took over and got his footing is crazy
I like how in the comics the teleporter costs so much to use and Cecil uses it so much saying he's addicted.
Almost mimics real life with how bad governments are with money
iirc, Cecil mentions that it costs a lot in the show as well, but i don't remember him mentioning an addiction to it.
also, to the point of having the fight and what it adds to the story: them being able to put up some fight against omniman gives us more context as to why he felt it was necessary to face them separately. it makes sense that he would see them as a potential annoyance to the conquering of the planet
Yes, Nolan had the surprise factor and killed the MVP first, the guardians had some real chance of winning if Red Rush focused only on giving support for the team, imagine if they knew they would be fighting Omniman?
@@Quarataia They would've won, they had to ass pull his death to let Omni win
@@cameronpack3965 No? At least they gave them a chance here, in the comics he literally just stomped them all with zero difficulty.
Holy fucking shit, it him.
@@fishonmydish7774 he should powerscaling wise stomp them. You do not get yet how DUMB viltrumites are. For the story reson and viewer engagement it was much better to give them a seeming chance.
biggest upgrade from the comics to the show was omni mans hairline goddamn
He is super fucking hot in the show oh my god, I’m gay leaning and when William echoed my opinion I felt so valid.
"I'm gay leaning", what in the F does that even mean, my dude?
@@HopefulNihilist While I’m fine dating and having sex with women, men, and non-binary people I am more attracted to masculine people and especially men. Therefor, since my tastes lean towards men and very masculine people, I am gay leaning.
TL;DR
Basically, I’ll fuck anyone independent of how they identify BUT men are increadibly attractive and I want to have sex with them more.
@@arlaux1099 As a gay man my experience was just like you. HE IS SUPER HOT.
@@arlaux1099 So... Bisexual. You're bisexual.
I gotta say, this was the same view I had when Mushoku Tensei came out. The difference between reading and watching is HUGE. It really feels like whoever worked on it thought about what they were doing and said "You know this is great stuff, but we have the rare opportunity to make improvements. Let's do it." Its awesome to see it actually work out.
One of the big reasons there is such a difference in pacing is simply the release schedules of the mediums. From hook to finale, we had to wait 8 weeks to get an answer from Omni-Man about why he did it. It would be hard if not impossible to keep that same tension over 8 months in a comic format. When it's condensed in a hardcover collection, it's a lot like you're binging many seasons of a TV show over a long weekend.
i just binged it today....did not feel rushed...felt slow at times xD helloooo amazon 10 second foward skip button....
Mark calling himself Invincible in the beginning of his career was apropos as opposed to a personal challenge issued to everyone. I remember a time when Mark wouldn't let some dude be turned into a cyborg to save his failing relationship. My dude had a power unlike any other comic book character: Good time management skills. And then his dad happened...
How come you only have 80 likes?
You’ve evolved.....
@Shin Shaman yes yes, you're very special for going against the current mainstream popular thing and liking something old and completely explored.
Good for you
Did you change your pfp?
@Shin Shaman Copy-pasting your troll comment?
I would also say to keep in mind the pace of the comics, like physically. With comics, you get a 24 page issue once a month, but the show gets an episode a week. That gives a little more freedom to slow the pacing for the show, since you don't have to worry so much about readers losing interest. These are different mediums with different limitations.
Not me going back and pausing at 11:23 to look for ✨invisible✨ people. 🤣
I did too
I started reading invincible in middle school, I'm now graduating highschool and couldn't be happier that invincibles a show now
The small moments of the guardians directly before they get the call really got me. I was genuinely invested in them and excited to see them make good moral choices and be actual HEROS
Me being someone who read all of the comic years before the show I was downright worried to start it. Not because I was worried they'd change it, but because I was worried they wouldn't. Yes, there are many parts of the comic that are amazing but so much of the space between those parts is a downright mess. The show revitalized my interest in the franchise and gave me hope that the great potential the story had on paper would be fully realized.
Also, my god is "the consequence of a self-conscious writer" bit soooo perfect for the problems of the comic. Because if you noticed that early on as the series goes on that trait gets so much worse. Because if the thought of the writer being "I want to get to that cool moment NOW" is bad when applied to the plot, it's far worse when applied to character arcs. Where characters that have a ton of potential are rushed to get to those moments all for the worst for the story.
I only feel like the first 2 arcs were a bit rushed, I really hope they don’t change much afterwards
The show isn't much better about rushing character arcs. The Reanimen (and thus Williams only plot relevant arc) was a one episode thing.
@@fantasyconnect I don't see how that's a bad thing,does William really need a two episode arc?
@@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688 He's supposed to be Mark's best friend. A bunch of shitty one off characters have been made more plot relevant. Like Darkblood. They made a literal joke relevant and then made a character that should be important irrelevant.
@@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688 Also the reanimen arc is sprinkled inbetween a few different arcs. So it wouldn't have been two episodes, it would've been an actual long running subplot. Rick isn't just Williams boyfriend, he was an actual character who was friends with both of them. The Amber scene is put in a really stupid context due to the change etc etc.
It's so refreshing to see a UA-cam critic draw parallels someone else's work and their own.
A big thing I heard was that Kirkman wanted to wait for the Omniman reveal but the editors were like "You are just doing Superman and the DC universe; people are gonna get bored with a basic ripoff"
well, I agree. The guardians don't need characterisation, once you understand that they're basicaly the justice league, there's no real need to spend time characterising them.
The animated version has that freedom because the twist needs to be revealed as an end-of-episode cliffhanger, so the whole episode needed to happen first and it left room for characterisation.
"Put him on the right tracks"
I-
"Trains him hard" was also gold
The reshuffling of events works so damn well. Changing Mark and Nolan's fight from the inciting incident of the story to the end of the first act wouldn't have felt as satisfying in the show.
I don't hate the comic's structure because it works for what it is but the changing medium and the way we consume shows compared to comics meant that they had to change events. I'm just glad that it worked out.
This video actually gave me a very interesting perspective on my own work that I never thought of. Thank you! Keep up the good work
he had to put the omni man reveal early because they were gonna cancel the comic. the reveal made it survive.
And damn, was that a good reveal. I'm actually sad just how show ruined it by episode 1.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Men, i've seen you across several comment section just to shit on the animated show, i love your perseverance
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Omniman's reveal as a villain in the comics after some numbers gave readers a good surprise but the effect only lasted a while.
The reveal happening at the beginning gave the watchers suspense about him, the watchers instead of focusing in those making the investigation, focused on how Omniman was hidding his trails and kept them waiting for the reveal.
Fuck, that "you, dad" bit still chokes me up.
Your punctuation pleases me.
@@jamsheeddevotee7588 lmao
@@jamsheeddevotee7588 Yes, a dangerous post indeed. The punctuation is right.
That bit let me know that this series understands a great protagonist. Mark is the kind of guy that can use Talk-no-jutsu lol.
The difference between the comic and the show is: The comic burned down a house it didn't build up.
So always remember: "You can't burn down a house that doesn't exist".
False. Did you read it all or just comment based on the video? The comics built a huge ass house, it just wasn't built in a "season" like the show. I have read it all multiple times. Both have their shining moments and differences worth having. I prefer what the show is doing for the tv format. The comics got it right for that format.
@@vaderguitarplayer I am reading the comics, and I’ve gone past at least chapter 13 and IMO it really felt rather rushed, this could also be because I’m generally reading manga where they take their time a bit more but that’s how i see it.
@@sirapple2406, this is because you are comparing the two. The show decided to slow down and focus on things the comics didn't. The comics get to where it needs to be focussing on other things. Chapter 13 is not enough to guage it by. That is only enough to compare where the story is with the show, and of course the show jammed more in there to show relationships and other important factors the comics get to. In the comics there is a long period where mark gets used to his powers. Once he gets a little comfortable the story picks up more like the show.
@@vaderguitarplayer what you said about showing off the relationships is exactly what I was talking about, when I was reading the comic it felt like a lot of things were left up in the air, whereas the show really showed me the relationships between the characters.
It added more punch to the big fight and mystery with Omni man.
To use my previous statement: the house the comic built felt much less stable than the one the show built.
@@sirapple2406, less stable because you have not read that much. Lol
This girlfriend, forgot her name, is of no real importance in the comics aside from a bridge to get to Eve, where the relationship actually means something.
The comics most certainly do improve as time goes on. I would definitely suggest reading the rest. I have only read the first 2 compendiums (which is like the first 96 issues) but it has been wild how good it's been so far. I do feel like the pacing in the beginning of the comics was off but it got better over time in my opinion.
You don’t need “with him” in that sentence “take her” implies it already...
Love the video !!!!
Lol, I was gonna say the same thing.
Me after watching Red Rush's introduction: LOL this guy is already my favorite character
Minutes later: oh shit
6:12 The cool thing about this...is anyone can show up, and rewrite the first chapter, with their own pacing and stuff...
...wonder if anyone's gonna do that...
"This man trains mark really hard" having two meanings? amazing
Also, having grown up with an abusive father, Omniman was a very effective character for me emotionally. Even now my father is so much stronger physically than I am, and the way he loomed over us physically and emotionally made Omniman haunting when he wasn’t violent, and more frightening when he was.
I really like how the handled immortals resurrection. Cecil could have resurrected him literally at any time but he didn’t and we know why he didn’t without the show just blurting it out.
You actually JUST made me realize that so, goddamn.
Oh because he alr knew Omni man did and wanted more time right
Why did he not do i I don’t get it?
@@eldgepollard5906 Because Cecil didn't want Omni-Man to know he's suspicious. For most of the show Cecil tries to find countermeasures that can hold off Omniman, and he can't afford losing any time to prepare. He even banished Damien to that end.
Cecil knew that the Immortal would immediately charge Omni-Man in a fit of rage as soon as he gets put back together, which would start the war before he's done preparing, so he had to keep him out of the picture. They explicitly kept his head separate from his body so he couldn't restore himself.
@@marzipancutter8144 oh thanks I get it now
1:12 "God dammit JK Rowling" Shows a picture of Hajime Isayama
thank you, was wondering what the joke was there, but felt like a weenie for asking lol
Basically one and the same at this point
@@Kaloffee Because "haha Isayama bad"
@@dtrain8530 of course not. He still wrote an undeniably incredible piece of literature that will go down in history. But the comparisons to JK Rowling come from the significant changes he made to his story at the very end. Some people like it, others don’t. Nobody’s saying haha “Isayama bad”
I definitely think those new panels were a joke
Holy **** I haven’t seen a video of yours since Code Geass Vs Death Note. Glad you’re still kicking
Wooooow, how do you go that long? I've got like over 20 million views
@@Uniquenameosaurus No idea dude, keep up the good work though! I think I was in my freshman year of high school when I watched your content
10:40 "In the comics, that's nowhere to be found"
Uhh, yes, it is. After the fight, a recording from Mark and Nolan's fight got leaked to the public and it was awful seeing Debbie's reaction after listening Nolan's words on the TV.
they said they stopped after season 1s material, they likely stopped at the end of the fight or very shortly after, before that tape gets leaked
@@Aedi Season 1 still included moments past that point in the comic. Robot cloned Rex's body in the comics after Omni-Man left Earth.
@@Aedi they pooled storylines and events that occurred all throughout the first 25-30 issues into those 8 episodes, and the omniman fight happened in issue 7. They just kinda retconned the timeline to make them fit
I found the comic version of this better cause Debbi recognizes some changes in Omniman but is clueless about their origin.
This makes the reveal hit even harder than her already starting to connect the dots like in the series
“Earth isn’t yours to concur” is probably my favorite line in the show. Because in most other superhero stories that would imply Earth is no one’s to concur. But you can easily visualize Nolan following up that line with, “it’s mine.”
*conquer
Seriously!!! Its so good because if you dont know his plan then it comes off like he COULD just be aggressively protecting earth. There's also that spice of "wait, is there a bad implication there?" And i love that. The show does a great job of making you still sympathize and not know or really want Nolan to be the bad guy he is until the end once you learn the true motives
@@roadent217 *Conker
@@WoodlandDrake
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@@roadent217 *Ckaunqker
5:23 "To the comic's credit, the Omni-Man who slaughters them instantly feels more powerful."
I actually *love* that the show's Omni-Man gets the shit kicked out of him and nearly dies. It raised the stakes of the spectacle, 'cause, hell, he might not win with all of the abuse he was taking. War Woman nearly bashed his skull in with her mace, and when Immortal comes back, he seems to be putting up a decent enough fight. If anything, Omni-Man gets some excellent *limiting* in his fight against the Guardians, which is exactly what Superman and all of his many parody characters so desperately need. It is much harder to write Superman with the cumulative history he has behind him, because it makes him [INVINCIBLE] ( _blood splatter_ ), but Omni-Man gets a pretty clear limit on his power that contextualizes the other characters that fight him for the rest of the show. And, comparing that to Mark later on in his fight against Omni-Man, it demonstrates that Mark has a *lot* of growing up and powering-up to do before he's on Omni-Man's level. It's fucking GREAT.
Kirkman is super well known for, on a second retelling of the same story (the walking dead for example) changing things to be the way he would’ve rather told the story if he could start again. He learns from what he didn’t like, and helps it to fit closer around what he did like, it’s super cool and I have a lot of faith for season 2 and beyond
I love this, relating the criticism of a show back to lessons learned about your own works show the value of criticism.
Thanks saurus.
“Invincible review: how this show makes me a better writer”
When I was learning storytelling, one of the pieces of advice I got was to ask yourself the question "If you're not telling the most interesting part of your story right now, why not? What are you waiting for?" The point of asking the question isn't a rhetorical one. Sometimes there are barriers that prevent you from telling the most interesting part right away. I could write a punch, but it's more effective with a wind-up. I could write a story where my sports team wins the big game right away, but it's more effective if they're the underdog first. If my story has a big plot twist that the nexus is actually the reverb interlacing sphinx, my readers need to fully understand what those things mean for the twist to mean anything. You take a world like ATLA and simply present the idea of "evil Avatar," and you can get people excited from concept alone. The same pair of words mean little to nothing if you applied them to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. You'd need to set it up first.
In terms of reading Unique's webcomic and reviewing my own, I think long-term success is about consistency in as many areas as possible. Frontloading the best parts can earn an audience, but it won't maintain one. Taking forever to reach something interesting will make the comic a dry, dry desert that few will slog through to see, even if it does get interesting eventually. What I think is most important is to give readers a sense of what they can expect, and then continue to deliver that. A particular sense of humor, a particular art style, a particular tone, a particular concept. With some expediency, give them enough material to write out their own interesting story in their head. Or even better, one that could play out many different ways.
A troublemaking boy gets punished for mouthing off to his obnoxious, no-nonsense teacher. He gets mad and runs away, falling down a flight of stairs in his carelessness. He miraculously ends up unhurt, but he soon finds that everyone else now speaks a bizarre language he cannot understand, and they can't understand him either. After reaching a point of despair where he can find no one that speaks normally, he finally finds someone who can, and it happens to be the super-strict teacher that he despises so much.
Immediately establish a premise, and you create a vehicle that can propel a story forward. Change anything about the vehicle, and you can restrict or free yourself in different ways. It ties back to Unique's Harry Potter video on getting handicapped by premise alone, but since the premise dictates a plot, it can dictate plot twists as well. What if instead of the teacher, the one the boy understands is their bully? Their best friend? A celebrity they see on television? A ghost? Each of these is a different story, likely requiring a different setup to maximize effectiveness, and each one could have a different explanation for how or why the boy ended up in this state.
Personally I think that the most interesting stories are the ones that are tailored to challenge the characters. To force the characters to face the situation they would dislike the most and see how they respond to it. When I think of all my favorite stories, premises, and character dynamics, this concept tends to pop up. The greats tend to couple this with incredible worldbuilding, artwork, and/or power systems, but these tend to act as the icing on the cake. And the sight of icing without a cake is kind of sad to imagine.
@Cloudy Nguyen Thanks for taking the time to read it and share. I've got great interest in storytelling and what draws us to it, so I'm always glad to encourage more of it. Shoot me a tweet sometime if you ever write something you want feedback on. @MagerBlutooth on Twitter.
Dude, mark your Nexus spoilers next time. The sphinx twist is amazing and you fucking ruined it for me.
This is the first video the youtube algorithm has recommended me that I've actually been super happy to watch! It was a great video ❤️
Omni-man is the only villain which genuinely strikes fear inside me, even if I know he's not real(hopefully).
Hearing how you relate to this problem with your own writing was so great. I haven’t actually started my own writing yet, but I’m sure it’s got the same problems. And it reminds me of a bunch of dnd campaigns I’ve run with my friends, so much running to the next important thing.
The fact that video exists shows just how much Kirkman has improved as a writer and storyteller. The comic ran just over 15 years and evolved a lot over that time, and the show felt like the perfect retelling of the beginning, in the style and tone of what the comic had been chiselled down to in the later years. It’s not too often that someone gets to retell a story they created after all is said and done and I think Kirkman is so far using that advantage well.
What I like about the teleported device at the end is that it was kind of foreshadowed with the Titan bit. How does Invincible stop Machinehead? Well, if he can just teleport away, not very well. It’s faster than him, and getting instantly out of ranch nullifies most of Invincible’s power set. So when it shows up at the end to stall Omniman, we already know it’s a great counter to his powers.
I love that the show made Debbie way more proactive early on.
3:04 just to clarify, no, william was not changed to a gay character in the show, william eventually does come out of the closet in the comic (i know that's a spoiler but... you already knew he was gay lol)
Dude... I was waiting this in my room all by myself.... without headphones.....
And I hear this in horror 4:36
I was in public