@charlesilenotuma , I was working on this video since last week. It'd also be impossible for me to research, script, record, edit, and upload within like a day from him uploading his video.
Agreed. From the fighting battle beast does with the viltrums all it should take is for hulk to get hit enough that he goes full berserk and just starts ripping them in half. Alot of them focus on their overpowering strength so it would take someone more tactical like omniman to take him down or throw him into space.
@@dazamm8872 they are pretty calculating. They just never face an equal threat in the comics so they don't need to use tactics. Example the final battle (except battle beast but that was a one on one fight to the death so)
@@cazixshorts8728super Goku can hang with the likes of galactus and Odin force thor, if we go even higher into heroes, CC or god forbid jump force Goku he only stops at the very top of the verse
I feel like the comic version of the avengers could easily stop viltrumites, especially with the help of Thor, hulk, and Scarlet Witch. Fantastic work as always!
Before people start spazzing out, this is about the *MCU* NOT the actual comics. Were all aware that the comic version of any of the avengers + guardians of the galaxy would solo the viltrum empire
The thing is, a lot of the times, the avengers tend to either pull punches or underestimate their opponents. I feel like by the time the MCU avengers realize they're actually in danger, they'll either be dead or it'll be too late. Especially since the Viltrumites are ruthlessly and brutally vicious and violent. They fight to kill, meanwhile the mcu Avengers tend to fight to disarm.
Ah yes all those people in Ironman 1 he "disarmed" with rockets, or all the Chitari that were totally "disarmed" in the first Avengers, or Thanos' lieutenants that were "disarmed" in the battle of Wakanda. Seriously what are you talking about? The overwhelming majority of MCU villains are dead by the end of the movie they appear in, and anyone that isn't the main villain has a good chance of dying by the end of the scene they are in.
@@commandoepsilon4664the avengers only get deadly when they are in the middle of wars or imminent threats, whereas viltrumites are always ready to kill, its their nature and culture. the mcu culture is to match the enemies strength when necessary
In that case, Wanda stole her energy so she lost her durability But yeah the scaling is super inconsistent they go from planetary and relativistic to sligtly superhuman
To be honest with Scarlet Witch, Thor and Captain Marvel I think they would. Also Scarlet Witch’s abilities would be extremely helpful with dealing with Viltrumites since you know they have no resistances to her powers. And I hesitate to say Mcu Hulk would do well against stronger Viltrumites because he’s pretty tame compared to his comic counterpart and doesn’t even have the world breaker state
This makes me think about the Ang Lee Hulk, and how he does grow stronger. If I recall correctly, he doesn’t have better feats than MCU Hulk, but I wish that ability was utilized more in the movies.
You say "doesn't even have World Breaker State" like it's some casual thing. It isn't. WB Hulk is at MINIMUM the 4th strongest incarnation of the Hulk out of 20 or more different versions and it took an incredibly contrived series of events to get him to that power level over a long period of time.
@@thorthegodofthunder9150Scarlet Witch is a game of dice. If she can cast her spells fast enough, she might solo all Viltrumites by herself. But she might just get speedblitzed by one too.
I think you're making bold assumptions when saying that someone dodging light speed projectiles means they have light speed reactions. The problem is that a lot of these attacks are telegraphed before fired, allowing a big window for reactions. Edit: I rewatched Iron Man 2. If you believe you need light speed reactions to react to Iron Man's beams, an ordinary human like Ivan Vanko possesses such speed. Wamp wamp
Its a live action film you have to put something on screen for ppl to see, imagine if they put the actual speed reaction to the feats there would be nothing to watch on screen . The characters in the comics can react to light speeds they jus adapt to for the visuals on screen for live action
Its crazy how we giving out light speed reaction for someone just figthing somebody else who saw the general direction a charged laser was in and moved away before it began firing. That is not light speed, its simply having eyes and moving preemptively.
Exactly, if you see someone line up a shot on you, You're gonna dodge, so if you move out of the target before they fire them that isn't ftl, the beam would have to already be travelling and then be dodged to be considered light speed+
How many Viltrumites are we talking about? Because the entire empire would body the Avengers. Though Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk would pose a major challenge to even Thragg. But as a group? No way an invading Viltrumite army would lose.
Wonder what if it was just one viltrim vs 5-7 of the top avengers tony and cap are both dead instantly Thor would take a beating for a while. They might have a chance of killing hulk if he’s the first target overall.
@@oXRaptorzXo You're not seriously comparing a fish, a stretchy alien, a ghost girl, a worse Batman and Flash, and two strong but dumb people to the entire MCU.
@@snubabubba2745 Immortal and War Woman and Red Rush are probably stronger than most MCU heroes though besides Thor, Captain Marvel, Wanda, and maybe Strange
Reaction speed is reacting to an attack that you don't know is going to happen, or at a very close range. The reaction speed of a character also tends to be higher than their movement speed. It’s called aim dodging
No. Reaction speed is noticing and processing a movement extremely early in its initiation. What you're talking about is prediction. They can be often confused. And can be used together.
@chaneladriana6829 What you described originally is prediction. Pecognition isn't prediction These are seperate. Prediction: is a raw numeral value or pattern in which you then can gain understanding of a behavior most likely to occur. It might not happen though. Precognition: is literally seeing an attack in the future, by paranormal means. Then you act in accordance. It's not a speed feat. But infact would allow someone slower to beable to combat someone far faster. Example: The Sharingan in Naruto. Has recognition. Despite Sasuke being knowingly slower up until he unlocks the 3 tomoe, once unlocked and gained recognition he can then keep up via seeing the events before they happen and start moving before they begin. In precognition you're not prediction. You know for a fact an action will occur. No guess. Reaction: Reaction speed is seperate from all those above. This is being the first to initialize, but also to comprehend and visibly interact with the movement from another. Aka, one person has a reaction speed of 0.20 ms. The other 0.30 ms. This isn't prediction, but instead a fast action taken upon knowing the others action has started. Aka, reaction. There is no guess, just speed and movement. There is no prediction, or precognition. It's raw input and results. Many of these can be mixed together but are seperate fundamentally. Aka, if you're using prediction to dodge a bullet, you arnt reacting to the bullet. Only to the enemy moving. You're then prediction on average where you think the trajectory of the bullet is going and try to move in that direction. However if you mess this up you cannot actually REACT to the bullets speed, so it'll hit you with no way to move. This dosent take as much speed as someone who could just react to the bullet and move.
@@Telarius read the scaling on wiki and don’t give me copy paste from someone else, I do scaling myself. I’m not some random on UA-cam who gets their info from quora.
Not only vfx artists, but also Elizabeth Olson, AKA the actress of Scarlet Witch. I was kinda baffled when he quoted her as an authority on power in any way. Sure it might be her character, but that’s like saying that Morgan Freeman has a working understanding of what God is capable of since he played him in Bruce Almighty.
Cope, the guidebooks also back up FTL stuff like with Iron Man's repulsors and the black hole grenades. They might not be a main source, but they're an official source nonetheless. The wakanda files also infers Quicksilver can reach light speeds and that Ultron has laser technology like Stark's, which means that whoever reacted to and dodged that would also be in that speed tier.
@@Chuck I don’t disagree with you, I just think it was a silly fallacy. Particularly citing the actress like I mentioned above. It’s just a criticism lol, like pointing out your repeated misuse of “infer” and mistaking it for imply. An inference is a conclusion that you draw from an implication, which is something suggested and not outright shown.
@@Chuck calling iron man ftl then showing him swinging a slow metal punch against thor proves otherwise I get it not being same speed for viewer but looking at what's happening it's clear he punched as fast as we would in a metal suit, he ain't ftl in physical combat he's Norman person speed
@@bnbnismTime stamp? Because that could be an older suit version depending on the phase of the MCU. He upgrades a lot, and Chuck was most likely talking about his power level during End Game.
MCU Thor has some insane feats I saw power scaled in some other videos when he shattered Jotunheim as a weaker less experienced thor it auto scales him at like large continent level. Infinity war thor tanked the concentrated power of a star channel by what’s effectively a Dyson sphere in infinity war. Mark and thragg got their skin peeled off fighting on the surface of the sun which is not a concentrated blast of the entirety of the sun. Thors energy output likely could harm viltrumites as we see a mid experience level mark struggle against that lady with the energy staff, and she’s nowhere near the power output of Mjilonir and Stormbreaker channeling thors power. Thor also has dodged lasers putting his reaction time near light speed even if it doesn’t look like it on screen. Thor alone dog walks thragg. With Wanda she overpowered Charles Xavier’s telepathy and killed him meaning viltrumites mild telepathic abilities would not help them. She could lock them in a mental battle and explode their brains. She also has insane reality warping powers now and could literally take away their eyes like she took away black bolts mouth making them literally useless. Iron man is about as smart as robot and his suits have equal or greater power. I’m sure if he was informed about their resistance to the specific frequency, he could develop an armor much like robots where it emits that frequency when hit. They also have access to URU and vibranium which are far beyond the durability of any known material in invincible. Even though it’s not the comics I firmly believe MCU wins with medium difficulty.
I don't see the Viltrumites making it past any of the magic focused Avengers. Dr. Strange even without the Time Stone, has random multiverse level artifacts such as the Macchina di Kadavus. Also, Dr. Strange has necromancy abilities, as seen in Multiverse of Madness. He has unlimited times to get a victory. - Additionally, Scarlet Witch before the destruction of the Darkhold could dream walk across the multiverse. Her Chaos Magic is something the Viltrumites are completely unprepared for. - I would also like to add the extremely dangerous versatility of Ant-Man. Who currently has the ability to freely string between the molecular structure of the universe. The Pym Particles could certainly destroy their bodies like Yellowjacket.
Are using MCU Avengers or comic book Avengers? And plus you're assuming that the Viltrumites are just gonna stand there and let magic users cast the spells and such. Viltrumites aren't the stand around type. They come straight at you with the force of a nuke at 100,000 mph.........literally........from multiple directions. The magic users simply aren't gonna have the time to do what they need to do to whip up something strong enough to stop a Viltrumite. Someone like Nolan or Thragg will butcher all of them in a literal second.
@@mrpj1390None of those things are going to affect people like Thor or Wanda. Wanda can reconstruct her body from ash. All her bones were literally broken in MoM and she instantly fixed it. They aren’t touching her. Also you do know that magic users don’t need to talk or wave hand signals right? That’s just for show. Dr Strange can literally just look at you and it’s over.
Just one name, "Scarlet Witch" Maybe fight will last minimum 5 seconds. I mean it won't be even a fight, like Scarlet Witch can just erase them from existence and she has something similar on multiverse of madness.
Anyone of the Viltrumites could instantly kill her before she said a word or moved a muscle. You guys don't fully grasp how powerful and dangerous Viltrumites are.
@@mrpj1390you don’t think she would yk just shield herself? And plus how would the fight even go they would just spawn in or are they invading earth because then scarlet witch could be a reasonable amount of distance and just use her powers then?
TBH the potential high balls (keyword being potential since this is all up for debate) for the avengers is insane. Multiverse of Madness has statements over and over and over again that Wanda after getting America Chavez power to universe hop would be able to enslave the entire Multiverse, that nobody could stop her, etc. Depending on how you takes these statements and the overarching narrative of the movie, this could scale Wanda to like.... Dormammu/Infinity Ultron/Strange Supreme levels if not even higher. This may not even be necessarily inconsistent as Zombie Wanda was able to briefly hold off infinity ultron, a weaker version of Strange Supreme lead to the death of his own universe, other versions of strange were able to trigger multiversal incursions, Strange's spell from No way Home (which wasn't even powered by an infinity stone) was affecting the multiverse, Scarlet Witch in a weaker body while dream walking could solo the Illuminati that killed Thanos EASILY, etc. Scarlet Witch was also able to overpower and destroy every Darkhold in the whole multiverse, potentially giving her enough range to literally kill the invading Viltrumites all at once from FAR outside their combat range. EDIT: I also realize that Thor and Viltrumites sorta have direct feats to compare: Thrag and Mark both have their skins and muscle burned off while fighting near/on/in the Sun's surface during their final fight in the comic. By comparison, Thor in Infinity War was taking the CONCENTRATED power of a star directly hitting him for several minutes straight (the mechanical structure around the star is confirmed to be a dyson sphere) and Thor in Love and Thunder>>>> End Game Thor>>>> INfinity War Thor.
MCU Thor and Captain Marvel are realistically their only hope, and it would be a really close fight, taking on a planet of Viltrumites and Ragnar’s is no joke
@@erebusvonmori8050The viltrumites will kill the magic users before they can even cast any spell. You saw in that one clip where mark kills the police men on t he bridge how fast they can accelerate. Also spiderman outran dr strange in the mirrorverse. if spiderman, who has to swing around on robes, can do that, a viltrumite who flies at the speed of light can do that as well, and probably more easily. i think the same applies to wanda. she is split in multiple parts, with her brain being squashed, before she can even realize what happened.
I think the problem here is that its MCU versions we are talking about here. They are greatly weakened versions of comic book equivalents. I think its even worse than this conclusion. MCU avengers would loose so fast, that they wouldnt know what hit them. With comic book versions it would go straight the other way, and it wouldnt even take the entire team. Just comics Thor or Hulk alone would one shot the entire invasion, its the Viltrumites that wouldnt know what hit them. Still, this video is about MCU. Even if i like them much better, sadly, this is not even a real contest. Avengers would go down real fast.
In my opinion MCU Avengers take it. You could argue otherwise before Infinity War but afterwards it's pretty clear win for the Avengers. Viltrumites have strength that caps at Moon level considering Thragg said he'd need 36 of them to split Earth in half and it needed 3 of them to finish off a heavily damaged planet, while nearly dying in doing so. Thor alone is far beyond that. And if we count Captain Marvel who's casually star level and Dr. Strange/Wanda who can warp reality the Viltrumites are toast.
Scarlet Witch’s problem is that her durability is not nearly as amped as her attack. Most viltrumites do have a good chance of speed blitzing her and she’s not strong enough to take a hit from mark, Nolan, or the other mid-strong viltrumites
Truthfuly Viltrumites takes it if they go into surprise attack. If they give any info or time for Tony to prepare, they are donezo. Avengers are 1 item away from winning pretty easily, if Strange had his Time stone. The amount of shenanigans he can do to cheat a win is a lot. But he doesnt does he? Didnt bother watching after endgame.
And Invincible universe scaling is consistent? Omniman survives a giant billion dollar laser from space but gets clapped by robots some nerd made in his basement with spare metal parts
@@Palach624The Reanimen are actually really powerful. They are basically engineered Super Men. And even then, Omni-Man still took them out with relative ease.
19:15 As goofy as this sounds, considering that all these characters are moving at or around lightspeed, I think Wanda could just hold her breath long enough to die from other causes
If the viltrumites fought the comic book avengers: Thor: taps on planet Viltrum with his finger alone and the planet explodes. Iron Man: activates his Death Star and genocides the entire viltrumites race. Captain America: kicks all of they’re a$$e$ off screen. Hulk: takes one step and completely wipes them all out. Hank Pym’s Ant-Man: shrinks them all to the Microverse. Vision: phases in and rip them outside. Wonder Man: sneezes they’re entire race. Scarlet Witch: erases them all from existence just by blinking. Quicksilver: kills all of them in 1 second. Black Panther: prep time and Summons his viltrumite killing suit. The Wasp: goes inside and expand. The Black Knight: goes full on excalibur. Tigra: mauls them to death. Falcon: goes through them like leroy jenkins. Hawkeye: head shots. Winter Soldier: pulls out the biggest AK-47 in fiction. Black Widow: grabs her venom. Doc Samson: bonks them on the head. War Machine: gets his mini gun ready. Hercules: slams them to the ground. Carol Danver’s Ms. Marvel: flicks them like a fly. And I’m far from finished.
I think this versus is even simpler than you think. Regardless of power scaling, the MCU just has too many unique powers that the Viltrumites just do not have any answers for. Wanda and Strange alone are likely enough to wipe out the Viltrumites, and that's not even considering the big hitters of the MCU like Thor and Captain Marvel. Viltrumites are also shown to be not only susceptible to magic and other unusual powers, but they almost always seem to stumble straight into them, being easy prey for anyone with a power set more complicated then smashing things good. Granted they usually find a way to brute force their way out of such situations, but I doubt they will get that chance against the MCU. Additionally, lack of speed feats aside, the Viltrumites just don't have the tools to kill the Hulk as it's effectively impossible to kill him with brute strength alone. Then there's tactics. Viltrumites tactics pretty much universally come down to "be stronger, hit harder." The combination of the minds of Captain America and Tony Stark and let's not forget Vision, would mean the non strategically minded Viltrumites would be contending against three tactical geniuses. This is easily a no diff MCU victory all the way, and dare I say, with no shenanigans in play (like squabbling and infighting) I'd be surprised if the Viltrumites can even manage to kill a single member of the MCU. And then there is all of the unbelievable BS that is the very existence of Hawkeye.
I been waiting for this. I think a lot of the MCU characters from Infinity war to post Endgame can deak with the Viltrumites, anything before is a blood bath. Honestly Thor, Hulk when he is angry, Tony possibly with his advanced suit can deal with them. Spidey can probably hurt them but gets speed blitzed and he doesn't try to end people. Honestly if it were main 616 comics universe, The Viltrumites wouldn't stand a chance. Also Chuck stop ignoring me in chat, you break my heart. Doctor Strange, Wanda, Vision would definitely give them some trouble.
Don’t have to watch to know the avengers are getting probably COOKED. Only people who stand a chance is hulk, thor, wanda, vision’s sorry ass & maybe captain marvel.
@oXRaptorzXo since Captain Marvel energized a sun should tell you and Wanda being as powerful as she is basically maybe surpassing her and same with thor should be enough completely
@UserNamedTenonto the average viltrumite isn't planetary Omni man isn't Average and same goes for Mark and the other Viltrumite and it took 3 of them to blow up one planet they arnt planetary
tbh, I think you're underestimating Hulk here. He easily has multi-continental-planetary level durability as he was able to snap the gauntlet. In his fight with Fenris, he easily shattered the rainbow bridge. He also is physically stronger than Thor.
If you watched the movie I'm sure you remember how Thanos specifically didn't use any of the stones while fighting Hulk, if you re-watch it you can see the stone doesn't light up (pretty sure he only had the power stone back then anyway)
If this was the Comic Book Avengers, the viltrumites would get Annihilated. Hulk, Thor and Wanda could literally erase the viltrumites from existence just by blinking they’re eyes. What’s worse, the Avengers don’t even need Hulk, Thor and Wanda to defeat the viltrumites. Hawkeye alone would give them a hard time! 💀💀💀
Hulk would be manageable for them, Thor depends on teamwork. In reality if Viltrumites are as fast as they are the Avengers are just dead and theres no which way about it
Do ppl know what lightspeed even is???? It's way faster than whatever was going on in the MCU. Being able to maneuver around ironmans laser blasts doesn't necessarily mean thor and quicksilver are light speed levels. It means they're faster than iron man's reaction speed.
I do agree with the whole light speed thing because imo the only people who scale to relativistic speeds is Thor, captain marvel, Odin, Thanos, some of the eternals and hela I might be forgetting a few tho
@yetundeadeyemi2436 I may be misremembering or completely forgetting a scene but I don't remember him and captain marvel interacting. In terms of Hella, my assumption would be she reacted to thor initializing a lightning strike, like lifting his arms up in front of him or hunching forward slightly. I always went off the assumption that thors speed feats came from the fact that his flight/mjolnir just propelled him forward incredibly quickly. Kinda like how iron man can travel at hypersonic speeds due to the power from his suit, but can't necessarily react to hypersonic attacks like a speedster could.
@@elijahshewell1176 if you want the best case of reaction feats watch Thor Vs the destroyer, keep in mind the beams he shoots are confirmed to be light beams from the Odin force
@@elijahshewell1176 also these things like lightning and mjolnir can travel very fast at short distances so even if the person is tracking the movements of the person light can travel very fast so u basically have to be somewhat reacting to the attack to be able to move as fast, that's why people like iron man I believe aren't hyper sonic
Most versions of the Avengers would easily own the Viltrumite Empire no sweat. The title should be "if the MCU Avengers could stop the Viltrum Empire".
Every time I see an idiot power scaler compare speed feats, I can't help but wonder if these people know how movement works. "He can dodge a laser, that means he's light speed!" dude have you never heard of prediction? Or windup?
haha, i laughed so hard when this guy said hela threw dagger faster than speed of light. Just because she threw the dagger in bifrost does not mean she threw it faster than light. When you are in the moving in the vehicle, and you throw ball in it, the ball's speed was affected by the moving train. The same principle should also apply to the dagger thrown by Hella in the BiFrost. This guy need to relearn physics again. Just from that one wrong argument already makes me question this guy 's analysis. No wonder in the other video, this marvel fan boy keep highballing Thor and downplaying Superman. Thor is only city level at best. The correct answer to this video, Avenger MCU will not stand a chance to Viltrumites' full invasion. Avenger's MCU will be annihilated by Viltrumites.
Viltrumites should be blitzing badly, Omni man flew from earth to the Virgo supercluster in a week. That’s 3.3 billion times the SOL. Tbh avengers shouldn’t get a hit off
There's a difference between travel speed and combat speed. By that logic even captain marvel is ftl and so is ikaris due to their space travel scenes.
@@laap007l8 if you watch the video he literally shows statements proving the viltrumites have combat speed and travel speed relative to each other. Either way nobody in the avengers is 3.3 billion times ftl. They get blitzed
@@Artbynas444 sorry for the late reply. sure, still doesn't change that top tier Avengers are too durable for viltrumites. Again, thragg can't survive in the sun, Carol can reignite a sun causally. The only thing MCU suffers is with inconsistencies but anyone who scales to captain marvel would be just fine. Like chuck said, alot of viltrumites would die trying to smash into the likes of thor and captain marvel
@@laap007l8 chuck also just said that the viltrumites are likely to have more stamina too. They can fight for days on end straight while being injured to the extent of missing limbs and etc. so like if the avengers can’t hit the viltrumites then that’s that. Also captain marvel is only that strong in her binary form, she’d get blitzed while she’s still in base or the viltrumites would just outlast tbh, no matter which way you look at it, low tier avengers get blitzed, and the higher tier avengers get outnumbered and eventually outlasted due to their vastly inferior stamina.
This is why I hate power scaling. You just said MCU Iron Man is relativistic to light speed just because he fought Thanos. That makes absolutely no sense when you think about it. If Iron Man could travel at light speed he wouldn't have gotten stuck on Titan. Also using energy blasts that are visibly slow doesn't equate to FTL feats. Many of the attacks you equate to light speed can be SEEN traveling in real time. They aren't FTL
I could go on and on and on. Thanos never actually demonstrates a FTL feat because the FTL characters he fought were no actively traveling at such speeds during their fight. Many of the MCU Avengers would get instantly speed blitzed by the average Viltrumite because they don't actually have good speed feats, whereas every Viltrumite in hundreds of time the speed of light.
Vision not being included in this fight hurt my soul, but not only would he have the feats to 1v1 any of them, his phasing ability would be a game changer as well lol! Great video though lol!
Yeah Hulk healed easily from X23 slicing out his eyes and from Shadowcat phasing him into the ground. Plus his strength is potentially infinite if he’s angry enough
The Viltrum army basically consists of 37 gauntletsless Thanos's. The Avengers (IE Tony) would have to prep to the highest extreme and even with whatever plan they could scheme up they would still heavily rely on the hacks of Captain Marvel Doctor Strange Wanda and Thor to do the heavy lifting
This Viltrumite team is interesting to me cause its like 3-4 variations of the empire combined into one. I was surprised you didn't mention the bug hybrids since they're relavatively weaker than than your average viltrumite but add a lot of numbers into the empire which i feel is significant in a group with like only 50 or so members
That fell apart so quick, the viltrumites are winning low dif. Why preface the fight by saying they wouldn’t destroy earth so they wouldn’t use full force but the avengers can go full force and wouldn’t destroy the earth? I think you’re forgetting that these characters on both sides don’t know their scaling in comparison to each other. The difference is how they go about dealing with the unknown power scaling, the avengers would try to level with the viltrumites in hopes they’re less powerful and they wouldn’t want to kill them. The viltrumites in a full invasion would assume they’re stronger and wouldn’t hold back. Thor, Wanda and Carol are dead the moment they enter the battle, viltrumites would make a show of it.
I think Thor and captain marvel would easily survive if the planets destroyed, I think the MCU scaling is inconsistent so idk how I feel on the outcome
The trick to dodging lasers is not to be faster then light, but to avoid to be where what fires the laser aims. This means you only need to be faster then the one the shoots you and good enough spacial awareness to predict the aim path.
If the Viltrumites were out to GET earth fr just plain simply. They wouldn't play games (I assume) and just appear and destroy half the planet. If they played games, then it's a different story depending on the situation.
Creation feats should be scaled to the same level as AP and destructive capabilities becuase of the energy and knowledge required to create something thats actually works as intended… basically its harder to make something than it is to break something
@@RainInTheSummer I’m no MCU fan but Thor just based on his durability feats in infinity war with tanking the full power of a dwarf star from the Dyson sphere forge already puts him at beyond mark and thraggs durability as they burned to a crisp in the surface of the sun on the surface. Not even a full concentrated blast from the entire sun. It doesn’t look like it but he also already has speed feats comparable to their warp speed. And any time he dodged a laser on screen it’s an instant light speed reaction time which is about the combat reaction time mark has. Thor alone claps based on superior durability and wider range of powers.
@@RiceCubeTech Mark and Thragg were being bathed in the sun while thor was just surviving its energy output so they aren't easily comparable and it those two feats are more about heat resistance than durability. Viltrumites have mftl+ reaction speeds, did you not watch the video. And arguably viltruites can reach large planet - dwarf star lvl's of power on the high ends. Which is relative or above thor.
You really think a Vili is going to scratch Hulk? Hulk Also has a god level healing factor that makes Deadpool and wolverine look like beaches. Thanos is an incalculable fighter who can lift moon sized engines without the power stone so of course Hulk just can't flail around like a baby and beat him.
Delusional. Viltrumites aren't even strong enough to defeat Thor in 1v1. Let alone cosmic entities like Surtur, IG Thanos, Eternity, TLT, Dormammu, Loki and others. Actually, Invincible verse is so weak in comparison that Wanda with Darkhold alone would solo easily.
@@Palach624it's mcu obviously everyone knows the viltrumites would get squashed in the comics but hekk nah they're not getting past eternity or any celestial
This video is so dumb You can't call a character light speed when both the character and the beams themselves are quite clearly NOT moving anywhere close to light speed even though they technically should. If that's your logic then all three of them would just immediately turn Earth into a black hole or at the least ignite a fusion reaction that atomises the entire planet. Quicksilver also does not travel anywhere near that fast, his Xmen counterpart runs thousands of times faster They all fight and move much slower than light except Captain Marvel, who still fights way slower than light, but when needing to travel between planets actually does go FTL Viltrumites on the other hand seem to react and do their punches at much faster speeds. Even to the heavy hitters like thor and captain marvel, a viltrumite is a speedster to them, and you can't can't beat what you can't even anticipate. Though that is partly due to the MCU being portrayed in live action compared to animated so their speeds obviously look human.
A planet of Superman beings, MCU avengers stand zero chance. Thanos had an army during the finally battle and they almost lost again to him if it wasn’t for Tony. Comic book avengers, maybe. The vultramites are a planet of militarized Superman powered beings that’s what makes them scary. They are organized and efficient. The only heroes standing a slim chance are hulk, Wanda, Dr Strange, “maybe” vision. If they organize themselves they could (and that’s a big could) defeat the vultramites. The vultramites are an advanced race, they’re not stupid. Imagine everyone on earth has Superman abilities I don’t care how strong you are, that’s a lot.
Now come to think about it, we should see Thanos take on the Viltrumites for a battle of universal control. However I would give Thanos a half complete Infinity Gauntlet with full armor, sword and going all out while not holding back.
This is pretty cool concept but where the hell do you get the idea that because a character has dodged an attack with a with a high projectile speed equates to their reaction speed? Most attacks are have some kind of windup and that’s what they react to, not to the projectile.
Dude, I'm not going to lie. You're using scaling that already dwarfs whatever Viltrimites can do. I'm turning off the video. All you got to say is Thor's faster than light. It doesn't matter because oh well. Thor and Captain America fought before and they were on par with each other, but then Thor stronger than Thanos. But then Captain America held off Thanos hands. So that means he's the strongest Thanos but he's not stronger so. Therefore yada yada yada, whatever whatever So it doesn't matter
Who do you guys got? The Viltrumites or the Earth's Mightiest Heroes?
Did you copy danco because danco did this video about omin man beat avengers
But atleast you better sacler than him.
Comic avengers, W. MCU, Debatable.
Ironman would solo the verse
@charlesilenotuma , I was working on this video since last week. It'd also be impossible for me to research, script, record, edit, and upload within like a day from him uploading his video.
@Chuck what about darkside vs viltrumites
The fact that Hulk is probably gonna die in this scenario says a lot about how dirty the MCU did him
For real. In the Comics Hulk is essentially immortal and has infinite healing and power potential.
World Breaker vs Viltrum
Agreed. From the fighting battle beast does with the viltrums all it should take is for hulk to get hit enough that he goes full berserk and just starts ripping them in half. Alot of them focus on their overpowering strength so it would take someone more tactical like omniman to take him down or throw him into space.
@@dazamm8872 they are pretty calculating. They just never face an equal threat in the comics so they don't need to use tactics. Example the final battle
(except battle beast but that was a one on one fight to the death so)
i would argue that mcu hulk beats the living hell out of a viltrumite
Movie versions : bittersweet victory
Comic versions : just another Tuesday
I think it would take around 10K Goku to provide any threat to the comic book characters, marvel or DC
@@cazixshorts8728
As someone who LIKES Goku:
'That's Hurtful'.
BUT TRUE.
@@cazixshorts8728literally no, he can hang in with pre crisis supes,
@@cazixshorts8728 it's true to some extent cause supes is way older than goku he probably has performed much more feats then again it's all fiction
@@cazixshorts8728super Goku can hang with the likes of galactus and Odin force thor, if we go even higher into heroes, CC or god forbid jump force Goku he only stops at the very top of the verse
"Did we kill him my lord... Did we finally kill Thor?"
"No conquest....that was only Hawkeye "
LMAOO!
Somehow Hawkeye always survives apocalyptic scenarios
i laughed very hard loudly 😭😂
EXCELLENT WORK. CHUCK VS VIDEO
@@nicolasbolas2247 he IS a superhuman compared to us regardless of him being a "normal human" in our eyes. same with black widow
Captain Marvel casually dropping the best Avengers feat in a movie nobody watched
Fax
It is what it is
Because it was trash.
What did she do
@@AkaiKnight She reignited a dying star
I can imagine Cecil and Nick Fury working together ngl
They absolutely would lol they’d be their own worst enemies otherwise…and they KNOW that…so they’d play nice…while it suits them 🤔
Fury would take advantage of his advances tech and pretend to go along with him. Cecil is actually a bit of a clown
I am imagining an Eggman and Dr Willy type relationship. Any and all sabotage will backfire hard.
It’s crazy that we live in a world where people think the Hulk can’t beat a Viltrumite. MCU Hulk sure but comic Hulk could solo many Viltrumites
Hulk would one shot the verse
Comic hulk would beat the entire planet at the same time
One thunder clap from Comic hulk and there done
It sucks bro
Comic Hulk takes a step and destroys the Viltrumites and their homeworld.
Nick Fury is immediately firing Captain America, Black Widow and Hawkeye off the team.
Well idk. If they can make weapons with a frequency to hurt the avengers ears they could have a bit more of a chance.
@@seancollins6572maybe cap and Thor’s combo could work?
@@seancollins6572 I can see Hawkeye having an arrow with that frequency
I don’t know. Cap is tactically amazing and he is also worthy of wielding Thor’s hammer. So he could be useful.
Hawkeye has been crucial to the Avengers victory.
if it's the mcu then the viltrumites got that ez if it was comics then the avengers are the clear winners
Comic Hulk probably solos the viltrumite.
Like bro a tag team of comic Thor and Hulk would decimate the Viltrumites
@@pigglesgoomshby7249
There doesn't even need to be a tag team. Hulk alone or Thor alone is enough.
@@davidnewhart2533spiderman victims ngl
@@TheirPreacher Ngl they are spiderman victims if you think about it
I feel like the comic version of the avengers could easily stop viltrumites, especially with the help of Thor, hulk, and Scarlet Witch. Fantastic work as always!
Thank you for watching!
In comics it's beyond overkill. Thor alone could probably solo the entire verse in base form.
Movie Avengers vs Viltrumites could go either way.
@@slavicemperor8279 Comic avengers smoke the viltrumites but MCU version is getting torn apart.
@@davidmclean-e5k nah because of hacks
Iron man alone solos
Before people start spazzing out, this is about the *MCU* NOT the actual comics. Were all aware that the comic version of any of the avengers + guardians of the galaxy would solo the viltrum empire
True.
The thing is, a lot of the times, the avengers tend to either pull punches or underestimate their opponents. I feel like by the time the MCU avengers realize they're actually in danger, they'll either be dead or it'll be too late. Especially since the Viltrumites are ruthlessly and brutally vicious and violent. They fight to kill, meanwhile the mcu Avengers tend to fight to disarm.
Ah yes all those people in Ironman 1 he "disarmed" with rockets, or all the Chitari that were totally "disarmed" in the first Avengers, or Thanos' lieutenants that were "disarmed" in the battle of Wakanda.
Seriously what are you talking about? The overwhelming majority of MCU villains are dead by the end of the movie they appear in, and anyone that isn't the main villain has a good chance of dying by the end of the scene they are in.
@@commandoepsilon4664the avengers only get deadly when they are in the middle of wars or imminent threats, whereas viltrumites are always ready to kill, its their nature and culture. the mcu culture is to match the enemies strength when necessary
The scaling in marvel is super inconsistent since the same captain marvel that fought Wanda got crushed under a statue.
And Wanda also couldn't react to Captain Carter and America Chaves in MoM💀
In that case, Wanda stole her energy so she lost her durability
But yeah the scaling is super inconsistent they go from planetary and relativistic to sligtly superhuman
At least the scaling in the MCU. In the comics scaling is rather consistent, as long as you stay within the same universe/ series.
Because wanda absorbed her powers
Wanda is a haxed fighter bro physically she’s pretty terrible
To be honest with Scarlet Witch, Thor and Captain Marvel I think they would. Also Scarlet Witch’s abilities would be extremely helpful with dealing with Viltrumites since you know they have no resistances to her powers. And I hesitate to say Mcu Hulk would do well against stronger Viltrumites because he’s pretty tame compared to his comic counterpart and doesn’t even have the world breaker state
This makes me think about the Ang Lee Hulk, and how he does grow stronger. If I recall correctly, he doesn’t have better feats than MCU Hulk, but I wish that ability was utilized more in the movies.
MCU Hulk got beat up by Chitauri soldiers.
Scarlet Witch would probably solo the entire Viltrum empire ngl
You say "doesn't even have World Breaker State" like it's some casual thing. It isn't. WB Hulk is at MINIMUM the 4th strongest incarnation of the Hulk out of 20 or more different versions and it took an incredibly contrived series of events to get him to that power level over a long period of time.
@@thorthegodofthunder9150Scarlet Witch is a game of dice. If she can cast her spells fast enough, she might solo all Viltrumites by herself. But she might just get speedblitzed by one too.
Regardless of the outcome, that would be a sick battle.
Great vid btw
Thanks for watching!
Yo, I was just finishing your MCU Thor vs Snyder version Justice League when they hit. Banger after banger, Chuck
Thanks man!
I think you're making bold assumptions when saying that someone dodging light speed projectiles means they have light speed reactions. The problem is that a lot of these attacks are telegraphed before fired, allowing a big window for reactions.
Edit: I rewatched Iron Man 2. If you believe you need light speed reactions to react to Iron Man's beams, an ordinary human like Ivan Vanko possesses such speed. Wamp wamp
Thank you. This type of power scaling is massive stretch
Yeah if it wasn’t telegraphed then it would be impossible to dodge. 😅 assuming your using your sense of sight to fight are react 😅
I like how he’s just accepting that these are all light speed projectiles when measuring their speed with analysis would likely prove that wrong 😅
@@Playingwithproxies Well, hes right about it canonically being stated to be light speed
Its a live action film you have to put something on screen for ppl to see, imagine if they put the actual speed reaction to the feats there would be nothing to watch on screen . The characters in the comics can react to light speeds they jus adapt to for the visuals on screen for live action
Im sorry but mcu avengers are losing faster then thanos snapping them finger
Viltrumite gets no diff by Ironman
@@lilsavage337comic wise yep
Movie wise as he would get slammed by the powerful vitrumites like Nolan, conquest and most notably thragg
@@lilsavage337 bro there's an ironman equivalent in the viltrumite universe called robot and even he isn't shit against viltrumites.
Strongest Viltrumites literally aren't even planet level 😂 They'd get clapped so hard
@@siphosethumbaba7559 Then a stronger one called Tech Jacket who could only give them a nose-bleed
Its crazy how we giving out light speed reaction for someone just figthing somebody else who saw the general direction a charged laser was in and moved away before it began firing. That is not light speed, its simply having eyes and moving preemptively.
Yes that really stupid, it not that hard to get out of the way by seeing where the enemy is aiming at
Exactly, if you see someone line up a shot on you, You're gonna dodge, so if you move out of the target before they fire them that isn't ftl, the beam would have to already be travelling and then be dodged to be considered light speed+
He also deflected the lasers... And that DOES take light speed reaction. Nice try.
@@hunterkinsella5303 if you've ever played a hard game recently you'd know hitscan can be parried by preemption
@@MagicGonads you’re comparing playing a video game to (for the sake of argument) deflecting a laser moving at light speed irl? Seems a bit stupid
How many Viltrumites are we talking about? Because the entire empire would body the Avengers. Though Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk would pose a major challenge to even Thragg. But as a group? No way an invading Viltrumite army would lose.
Facts
Wonder what if it was just one viltrim vs 5-7 of the top avengers tony and cap are both dead instantly Thor would take a beating for a while. They might have a chance of killing hulk if he’s the first target overall.
They have literally no way to kill Vision that doesn't involve a surprise attack.
@@erebusvonmori8050i mean nolan killed green ghost
@@Ale-km3ux Yeah. He managed to startle a complete novice into making a mistake, during a surprise attack.
Great video, my dude! Had fun watching it! 👌🏼
Thanks man!
The diversity of powers used by The Avengers is what I think would ultimately help them catch the W.
Omni Man defeated the guardians of the globe single handedly.
@@oXRaptorzXothor hulk & scarlet witch would too
@@oXRaptorzXo Thor by himself solos invincible verse 😂
@@oXRaptorzXo You're not seriously comparing a fish, a stretchy alien, a ghost girl, a worse Batman and Flash, and two strong but dumb people to the entire MCU.
@@snubabubba2745 Immortal and War Woman and Red Rush are probably stronger than most MCU heroes though besides Thor, Captain Marvel, Wanda, and maybe Strange
Reaction speed is reacting to an attack that you don't know is going to happen, or at a very close range. The reaction speed of a character also tends to be higher than their movement speed.
It’s called aim dodging
No. Reaction speed is noticing and processing a movement extremely early in its initiation.
What you're talking about is prediction. They can be often confused. And can be used together.
@@Telarius it’s called aim dodge and precognition not reaction
@chaneladriana6829 Not what I'm even talking about you just got your definition incorrect. I corrected it, or your understanding.
@chaneladriana6829 What you described originally is prediction.
Pecognition isn't prediction
These are seperate.
Prediction: is a raw numeral value or pattern in which you then can gain understanding of a behavior most likely to occur. It might not happen though.
Precognition:
is literally seeing an attack in the future, by paranormal means. Then you act in accordance. It's not a speed feat. But infact would allow someone slower to beable to combat someone far faster.
Example: The Sharingan in Naruto. Has recognition. Despite Sasuke being knowingly slower up until he unlocks the 3 tomoe, once unlocked and gained recognition he can then keep up via seeing the events before they happen and start moving before they begin.
In precognition you're not prediction. You know for a fact an action will occur. No guess.
Reaction:
Reaction speed is seperate from all those above. This is being the first to initialize, but also to comprehend and visibly interact with the movement from another.
Aka, one person has a reaction speed of 0.20 ms. The other 0.30 ms. This isn't prediction, but instead a fast action taken upon knowing the others action has started. Aka, reaction. There is no guess, just speed and movement. There is no prediction, or precognition. It's raw input and results.
Many of these can be mixed together but are seperate fundamentally.
Aka, if you're using prediction to dodge a bullet, you arnt reacting to the bullet. Only to the enemy moving. You're then prediction on average where you think the trajectory of the bullet is going and try to move in that direction.
However if you mess this up you cannot actually REACT to the bullets speed, so it'll hit you with no way to move. This dosent take as much speed as someone who could just react to the bullet and move.
@@Telarius read the scaling on wiki and don’t give me copy paste from someone else, I do scaling myself. I’m not some random on UA-cam who gets their info from quora.
Considering the vfx artists words as canon is crazy
Not only vfx artists, but also Elizabeth Olson, AKA the actress of Scarlet Witch. I was kinda baffled when he quoted her as an authority on power in any way. Sure it might be her character, but that’s like saying that Morgan Freeman has a working understanding of what God is capable of since he played him in Bruce Almighty.
Cope, the guidebooks also back up FTL stuff like with Iron Man's repulsors and the black hole grenades. They might not be a main source, but they're an official source nonetheless. The wakanda files also infers Quicksilver can reach light speeds and that Ultron has laser technology like Stark's, which means that whoever reacted to and dodged that would also be in that speed tier.
@@Chuck I don’t disagree with you, I just think it was a silly fallacy. Particularly citing the actress like I mentioned above. It’s just a criticism lol, like pointing out your repeated misuse of “infer” and mistaking it for imply. An inference is a conclusion that you draw from an implication, which is something suggested and not outright shown.
@@Chuck calling iron man ftl then showing him swinging a slow metal punch against thor proves otherwise I get it not being same speed for viewer but looking at what's happening it's clear he punched as fast as we would in a metal suit, he ain't ftl in physical combat he's Norman person speed
@@bnbnismTime stamp? Because that could be an older suit version depending on the phase of the MCU. He upgrades a lot, and Chuck was most likely talking about his power level during End Game.
MCU Thor has some insane feats I saw power scaled in some other videos when he shattered Jotunheim as a weaker less experienced thor it auto scales him at like large continent level.
Infinity war thor tanked the concentrated power of a star channel by what’s effectively a Dyson sphere in infinity war. Mark and thragg got their skin peeled off fighting on the surface of the sun which is not a concentrated blast of the entirety of the sun.
Thors energy output likely could harm viltrumites as we see a mid experience level mark struggle against that lady with the energy staff, and she’s nowhere near the power output of Mjilonir and Stormbreaker channeling thors power.
Thor also has dodged lasers putting his reaction time near light speed even if it doesn’t look like it on screen.
Thor alone dog walks thragg.
With Wanda she overpowered Charles Xavier’s telepathy and killed him meaning viltrumites mild telepathic abilities would not help them. She could lock them in a mental battle and explode their brains. She also has insane reality warping powers now and could literally take away their eyes like she took away black bolts mouth making them literally useless.
Iron man is about as smart as robot and his suits have equal or greater power. I’m sure if he was informed about their resistance to the specific frequency, he could develop an armor much like robots where it emits that frequency when hit.
They also have access to URU and vibranium which are far beyond the durability of any known material in invincible.
Even though it’s not the comics I firmly believe MCU wins with medium difficulty.
MCU Avengers: gets killed by the viltrumites very brutally.
Comic Book Avengers: *Annihilates the viltrumites without any difficulty.*
I don't see the Viltrumites making it past any of the magic focused Avengers. Dr. Strange even without the Time Stone, has random multiverse level artifacts such as the Macchina di Kadavus. Also, Dr. Strange has necromancy abilities, as seen in Multiverse of Madness. He has unlimited times to get a victory.
- Additionally, Scarlet Witch before the destruction of the Darkhold could dream walk across the multiverse. Her Chaos Magic is something the Viltrumites are completely unprepared for.
- I would also like to add the extremely dangerous versatility of Ant-Man. Who currently has the ability to freely string between the molecular structure of the universe. The Pym Particles could certainly destroy their bodies like Yellowjacket.
Are using MCU Avengers or comic book Avengers? And plus you're assuming that the Viltrumites are just gonna stand there and let magic users cast the spells and such. Viltrumites aren't the stand around type. They come straight at you with the force of a nuke at 100,000 mph.........literally........from multiple directions. The magic users simply aren't gonna have the time to do what they need to do to whip up something strong enough to stop a Viltrumite. Someone like Nolan or Thragg will butcher all of them in a literal second.
@@mrpj1390None of those things are going to affect people like Thor or Wanda. Wanda can reconstruct her body from ash. All her bones were literally broken in MoM and she instantly fixed it. They aren’t touching her. Also you do know that magic users don’t need to talk or wave hand signals right? That’s just for show. Dr Strange can literally just look at you and it’s over.
Ivan from iron man 2 is faster than light because he reacts and dodges iron man’s blast 🤣😭
Just one name, "Scarlet Witch"
Maybe fight will last minimum 5 seconds. I mean it won't be even a fight, like Scarlet Witch can just erase them from existence and she has something similar on multiverse of madness.
Anyone of the Viltrumites could instantly kill her before she said a word or moved a muscle. You guys don't fully grasp how powerful and dangerous Viltrumites are.
@@mrpj1390you don’t think she would yk just shield herself? And plus how would the fight even go they would just spawn in or are they invading earth because then scarlet witch could be a reasonable amount of distance and just use her powers then?
Amazing video!!! Keep up the great work
Thank you! Will do!
TBH the potential high balls (keyword being potential since this is all up for debate) for the avengers is insane. Multiverse of Madness has statements over and over and over again that Wanda after getting America Chavez power to universe hop would be able to enslave the entire Multiverse, that nobody could stop her, etc. Depending on how you takes these statements and the overarching narrative of the movie, this could scale Wanda to like.... Dormammu/Infinity Ultron/Strange Supreme levels if not even higher. This may not even be necessarily inconsistent as Zombie Wanda was able to briefly hold off infinity ultron, a weaker version of Strange Supreme lead to the death of his own universe, other versions of strange were able to trigger multiversal incursions, Strange's spell from No way Home (which wasn't even powered by an infinity stone) was affecting the multiverse, Scarlet Witch in a weaker body while dream walking could solo the Illuminati that killed Thanos EASILY, etc. Scarlet Witch was also able to overpower and destroy every Darkhold in the whole multiverse, potentially giving her enough range to literally kill the invading Viltrumites all at once from FAR outside their combat range.
EDIT: I also realize that Thor and Viltrumites sorta have direct feats to compare: Thrag and Mark both have their skins and muscle burned off while fighting near/on/in the Sun's surface during their final fight in the comic. By comparison, Thor in Infinity War was taking the CONCENTRATED power of a star directly hitting him for several minutes straight (the mechanical structure around the star is confirmed to be a dyson sphere) and Thor in Love and Thunder>>>> End Game Thor>>>> INfinity War Thor.
The energy from that star pretty much did the same to Thor, remember? He almost died.
@@mrpj1390 the point is that Thor’s feat is many orders of magnitude more impressive and he was fine the second he had access to storm breaker.
Chuck blessing us once again
MCU Thor and Captain Marvel are realistically their only hope, and it would be a really close fight, taking on a planet of Viltrumites and Ragnar’s is no joke
They have literally no way to kill Vision, and any of the magic users can outright no-sell any Viltrumite just through the Mirror Verse.
@@erebusvonmori8050The viltrumites will kill the magic users before they can even cast any spell. You saw in that one clip where mark kills the police men on t he bridge how fast they can accelerate. Also spiderman outran dr strange in the mirrorverse. if spiderman, who has to swing around on robes, can do that, a viltrumite who flies at the speed of light can do that as well, and probably more easily. i think the same applies to wanda. she is split in multiple parts, with her brain being squashed, before she can even realize what happened.
@@BolloBlotchthey can’t beat hulk
@@erebusvonmori8050they can’t beat hulk
They can’t beat hulk
I think the problem here is that its MCU versions we are talking about here. They are greatly weakened versions of comic book equivalents. I think its even worse than this conclusion. MCU avengers would loose so fast, that they wouldnt know what hit them. With comic book versions it would go straight the other way, and it wouldnt even take the entire team. Just comics Thor or Hulk alone would one shot the entire invasion, its the Viltrumites that wouldnt know what hit them. Still, this video is about MCU. Even if i like them much better, sadly, this is not even a real contest. Avengers would go down real fast.
In my opinion MCU Avengers take it. You could argue otherwise before Infinity War but afterwards it's pretty clear win for the Avengers.
Viltrumites have strength that caps at Moon level considering Thragg said he'd need 36 of them to split Earth in half and it needed 3 of them to finish off a heavily damaged planet, while nearly dying in doing so.
Thor alone is far beyond that. And if we count Captain Marvel who's casually star level and Dr. Strange/Wanda who can warp reality the Viltrumites are toast.
Scarlet Witch’s problem is that her durability is not nearly as amped as her attack. Most viltrumites do have a good chance of speed blitzing her and she’s not strong enough to take a hit from mark, Nolan, or the other mid-strong viltrumites
Truthfuly Viltrumites takes it if they go into surprise attack. If they give any info or time for Tony to prepare, they are donezo. Avengers are 1 item away from winning pretty easily, if Strange had his Time stone. The amount of shenanigans he can do to cheat a win is a lot. But he doesnt does he? Didnt bother watching after endgame.
2012 avengers couldn't even stop mark from season 1
The only reasons I think the viltrims take this is because how inconsistent the mcu scaling gets
And Invincible universe scaling is consistent? Omniman survives a giant billion dollar laser from space but gets clapped by robots some nerd made in his basement with spare metal parts
@@Palach624true. That was ridiculous
@@Palach624The Reanimen are actually really powerful. They are basically engineered Super Men. And even then, Omni-Man still took them out with relative ease.
19:15 As goofy as this sounds, considering that all these characters are moving at or around lightspeed, I think Wanda could just hold her breath long enough to die from other causes
If it's smart Hulk he's getting jumped by grunt heroes.
If the viltrumites fought the comic book avengers:
Thor: taps on planet Viltrum with his finger alone and the planet explodes.
Iron Man: activates his Death Star and genocides the entire viltrumites race.
Captain America: kicks all of they’re a$$e$ off screen.
Hulk: takes one step and completely wipes them all out.
Hank Pym’s Ant-Man: shrinks them all to the Microverse.
Vision: phases in and rip them outside.
Wonder Man: sneezes they’re entire race.
Scarlet Witch: erases them all from existence just by blinking.
Quicksilver: kills all of them in 1 second.
Black Panther: prep time and Summons his viltrumite killing suit.
The Wasp: goes inside and expand.
The Black Knight: goes full on excalibur.
Tigra: mauls them to death.
Falcon: goes through them like leroy jenkins.
Hawkeye: head shots.
Winter Soldier: pulls out the biggest AK-47 in fiction.
Black Widow: grabs her venom.
Doc Samson: bonks them on the head.
War Machine: gets his mini gun ready.
Hercules: slams them to the ground.
Carol Danver’s Ms. Marvel: flicks them like a fly.
And I’m far from finished.
It's ridiculous that the MCU's Hulk is so weak that he loses to ordinary Viltrumites, they destroyed the character in the movies!
Not true
I think this versus is even simpler than you think. Regardless of power scaling, the MCU just has too many unique powers that the Viltrumites just do not have any answers for. Wanda and Strange alone are likely enough to wipe out the Viltrumites, and that's not even considering the big hitters of the MCU like Thor and Captain Marvel. Viltrumites are also shown to be not only susceptible to magic and other unusual powers, but they almost always seem to stumble straight into them, being easy prey for anyone with a power set more complicated then smashing things good. Granted they usually find a way to brute force their way out of such situations, but I doubt they will get that chance against the MCU. Additionally, lack of speed feats aside, the Viltrumites just don't have the tools to kill the Hulk as it's effectively impossible to kill him with brute strength alone. Then there's tactics. Viltrumites tactics pretty much universally come down to "be stronger, hit harder." The combination of the minds of Captain America and Tony Stark and let's not forget Vision, would mean the non strategically minded Viltrumites would be contending against three tactical geniuses. This is easily a no diff MCU victory all the way, and dare I say, with no shenanigans in play (like squabbling and infighting) I'd be surprised if the Viltrumites can even manage to kill a single member of the MCU.
And then there is all of the unbelievable BS that is the very existence of Hawkeye.
I been waiting for this.
I think a lot of the MCU characters from Infinity war to post Endgame can deak with the Viltrumites, anything before is a blood bath.
Honestly Thor, Hulk when he is angry, Tony possibly with his advanced suit can deal with them. Spidey can probably hurt them but gets speed blitzed and he doesn't try to end people.
Honestly if it were main 616 comics universe, The Viltrumites wouldn't stand a chance.
Also Chuck stop ignoring me in chat, you break my heart.
Doctor Strange, Wanda, Vision would definitely give them some trouble.
Don’t have to watch to know the avengers are getting probably COOKED. Only people who stand a chance is hulk, thor, wanda, vision’s sorry ass & maybe captain marvel.
Well sorry to disappoint you but the Avengers stomp
@@thefirstprime0124They don’t though. Not MCU.
@oXRaptorzXo since Captain Marvel energized a sun should tell you and Wanda being as powerful as she is basically maybe surpassing her and same with thor should be enough completely
@@thefirstprime0124the average viltrumite scales to planetary they wouldn’t stop shit
@UserNamedTenonto the average viltrumite isn't planetary Omni man isn't Average and same goes for Mark and the other Viltrumite and it took 3 of them to blow up one planet they arnt planetary
Chuck content is youtube's best kept secret
tbh, I think you're underestimating Hulk here. He easily has multi-continental-planetary level durability as he was able to snap the gauntlet. In his fight with Fenris, he easily shattered the rainbow bridge. He also is physically stronger than Thor.
Dude is straight up forgetting Thanos had multiple Infinity Stones when he took down Hulk lmao. Poor reasoning in most of this.
If you watched the movie I'm sure you remember how Thanos specifically didn't use any of the stones while fighting Hulk, if you re-watch it you can see the stone doesn't light up (pretty sure he only had the power stone back then anyway)
If this was the Comic Book Avengers, the viltrumites would get Annihilated. Hulk, Thor and Wanda could literally erase the viltrumites from existence just by blinking they’re eyes. What’s worse, the Avengers don’t even need Hulk, Thor and Wanda to defeat the viltrumites. Hawkeye alone would give them a hard time! 💀💀💀
Realistically, only Thor and Hulk would be able to do anything, which isn't saying much. Two vs. a few thousand is not good odds.
Here we go.
I guess Avengers can take it if they manage to take advantage of the Viltrumites weaknesses...
They also have Thor and Hulk...
Hulk would be manageable for them, Thor depends on teamwork. In reality if Viltrumites are as fast as they are the Avengers are just dead and theres no which way about it
@@velnz5475Captain Marvel would still take them down
@@velnz5475hulk is stronger
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Nick Fury better call the morgue, cuz The Viltrumites are getting bodied with difficulty of course😂
As soon as I realized this was just a power scaling video, I checked out. It’s just about which writers care about stakes more
Do ppl know what lightspeed even is???? It's way faster than whatever was going on in the MCU. Being able to maneuver around ironmans laser blasts doesn't necessarily mean thor and quicksilver are light speed levels. It means they're faster than iron man's reaction speed.
But how about Thor being able to react to photons of light from captain marvel or hela reacting and dodging lightning from Thor??
I do agree with the whole light speed thing because imo the only people who scale to relativistic speeds is Thor, captain marvel, Odin, Thanos, some of the eternals and hela I might be forgetting a few tho
@yetundeadeyemi2436 I may be misremembering or completely forgetting a scene but I don't remember him and captain marvel interacting. In terms of Hella, my assumption would be she reacted to thor initializing a lightning strike, like lifting his arms up in front of him or hunching forward slightly. I always went off the assumption that thors speed feats came from the fact that his flight/mjolnir just propelled him forward incredibly quickly. Kinda like how iron man can travel at hypersonic speeds due to the power from his suit, but can't necessarily react to hypersonic attacks like a speedster could.
@@elijahshewell1176 if you want the best case of reaction feats watch Thor Vs the destroyer, keep in mind the beams he shoots are confirmed to be light beams from the Odin force
@@elijahshewell1176 also these things like lightning and mjolnir can travel very fast at short distances so even if the person is tracking the movements of the person light can travel very fast so u basically have to be somewhat reacting to the attack to be able to move as fast, that's why people like iron man I believe aren't hyper sonic
I’d argue that they are not reacting to iron man’s light beams they are reacting to where his hands are positioned
Most versions of the Avengers would easily own the Viltrumite Empire no sweat.
The title should be "if the MCU Avengers could stop the Viltrum Empire".
No
@@mylordsarentino4402 "No" what?
Lets goooo, cant wait to see what happens
Comic Wanda needs three words: No more Viltrumites
Every time I see an idiot power scaler compare speed feats, I can't help but wonder if these people know how movement works. "He can dodge a laser, that means he's light speed!" dude have you never heard of prediction? Or windup?
Too bad they do it consistently for it to just be aim dodging. Also, the Hela stuff is pretty straight forward.
Did the people not see what Nolan did to the Flarkan planet?
haha, i laughed so hard when this guy said hela threw dagger faster than speed of light. Just because she threw the dagger in bifrost does not mean she threw it faster than light. When you are in the moving in the vehicle, and you throw ball in it, the ball's speed was affected by the moving train. The same principle should also apply to the dagger thrown by Hella in the BiFrost.
This guy need to relearn physics again. Just from that one wrong argument already makes me question this guy 's analysis.
No wonder in the other video, this marvel fan boy keep highballing Thor and downplaying Superman. Thor is only city level at best.
The correct answer to this video, Avenger MCU will not stand a chance to Viltrumites' full invasion. Avenger's MCU will be annihilated by Viltrumites.
What are you yapping about?
Viltrumites should be blitzing badly, Omni man flew from earth to the Virgo supercluster in a week. That’s 3.3 billion times the SOL. Tbh avengers shouldn’t get a hit off
Yeah that’s mostly in the mcu unless it’s comics to comics then Viltrumires are royally screwed
There's a difference between travel speed and combat speed. By that logic even captain marvel is ftl and so is ikaris due to their space travel scenes.
@@laap007l8 if you watch the video he literally shows statements proving the viltrumites have combat speed and travel speed relative to each other. Either way nobody in the avengers is 3.3 billion times ftl. They get blitzed
@@Artbynas444 sorry for the late reply. sure, still doesn't change that top tier Avengers are too durable for viltrumites. Again, thragg can't survive in the sun, Carol can reignite a sun causally. The only thing MCU suffers is with inconsistencies but anyone who scales to captain marvel would be just fine. Like chuck said, alot of viltrumites would die trying to smash into the likes of thor and captain marvel
@@laap007l8 chuck also just said that the viltrumites are likely to have more stamina too. They can fight for days on end straight while being injured to the extent of missing limbs and etc. so like if the avengers can’t hit the viltrumites then that’s that. Also captain marvel is only that strong in her binary form, she’d get blitzed while she’s still in base or the viltrumites would just outlast tbh, no matter which way you look at it, low tier avengers get blitzed, and the higher tier avengers get outnumbered and eventually outlasted due to their vastly inferior stamina.
I don’t think the viltrumites could kill Hulk, but I also don’t think they’d lose to him unless it was the comic version at world-breaker status.
Can we get a moment of silence for the time chuck wasted watching Thor 4 and the marvels 🙏
LMAO
This is why I hate power scaling. You just said MCU Iron Man is relativistic to light speed just because he fought Thanos. That makes absolutely no sense when you think about it. If Iron Man could travel at light speed he wouldn't have gotten stuck on Titan. Also using energy blasts that are visibly slow doesn't equate to FTL feats. Many of the attacks you equate to light speed can be SEEN traveling in real time. They aren't FTL
I could go on and on and on. Thanos never actually demonstrates a FTL feat because the FTL characters he fought were no actively traveling at such speeds during their fight. Many of the MCU Avengers would get instantly speed blitzed by the average Viltrumite because they don't actually have good speed feats, whereas every Viltrumite in hundreds of time the speed of light.
Travel speed=/=combat speed. Other sources call Carol's attacks photon based.
@@Chuck Light only move at lightspeed in space. İn every other space its much more slower
It's not much different, still very high relativistic..
@@Chuck You cant react light speed because you cant see it. İts impossible
Vision not being included in this fight hurt my soul, but not only would he have the feats to 1v1 any of them, his phasing ability would be a game changer as well lol! Great video though lol!
Omni man fought a phase ability and we know how that went
@@bnbnism I honestly didn't remember, but we know vision went beyond just phasing and was able to control density as well.
@@bnbnism a human who didn’t react to phase. She didn’t really do anything in that fight. And she should have just escaped immediately 😂 😅
@@bnbnism Yeah, he got a rookie to react on instinct. Whereas Vision is extremely rational and experienced.
Hulks regeneration is way too good . No viltramite is just slicing him open .
Yeah Hulk healed easily from X23 slicing out his eyes and from Shadowcat phasing him into the ground. Plus his strength is potentially infinite if he’s angry enough
Your under estimating the Hulk...
The Viltrum army basically consists of 37 gauntletsless Thanos's. The Avengers (IE Tony) would have to prep to the highest extreme and even with whatever plan they could scheme up they would still heavily rely on the hacks of Captain Marvel Doctor Strange Wanda and Thor to do the heavy lifting
It’s a contest in the movies in the comics Thor solos he’s shattered entire solar systems when he stopped holding back.
This Viltrumite team is interesting to me cause its like 3-4 variations of the empire combined into one. I was surprised you didn't mention the bug hybrids since they're relavatively weaker than than your average viltrumite but add a lot of numbers into the empire which i feel is significant in a group with like only 50 or so members
Can you make a Castlevania video please ?❤
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The viltrumites would be a great training warmup for the avengers
Comic Avengers you mean.
A moment of silence for this man because he had to watch The Marvels for this video. My condolances.
That fell apart so quick, the viltrumites are winning low dif. Why preface the fight by saying they wouldn’t destroy earth so they wouldn’t use full force but the avengers can go full force and wouldn’t destroy the earth? I think you’re forgetting that these characters on both sides don’t know their scaling in comparison to each other. The difference is how they go about dealing with the unknown power scaling, the avengers would try to level with the viltrumites in hopes they’re less powerful and they wouldn’t want to kill them. The viltrumites in a full invasion would assume they’re stronger and wouldn’t hold back. Thor, Wanda and Carol are dead the moment they enter the battle, viltrumites would make a show of it.
I think Thor and captain marvel would easily survive if the planets destroyed, I think the MCU scaling is inconsistent so idk how I feel on the outcome
All I know is that Stormbreaker will be able to pierce and cut through the viltrumites
The trick to dodging lasers is not to be faster then light, but to avoid to be where what fires the laser aims.
This means you only need to be faster then the one the shoots you and good enough spacial awareness to predict the aim path.
Omni-Man vs DCEU Superman
If the Viltrumites were out to GET earth fr just plain simply. They wouldn't play games (I assume) and just appear and destroy half the planet. If they played games, then it's a different story depending on the situation.
Another W
Thank u!
Great video , do more yuyu hakusho, demon slayer, and or make a how strong is Venom with all his current feats
The Invincible stans are NOT going to like this......
Creation feats should be scaled to the same level as AP and destructive capabilities becuase of the energy and knowledge required to create something thats actually works as intended… basically its harder to make something than it is to break something
Who’s asking these rhetorical questions? The avengers slam.
Comics version? Yeah they dog walk the viltrumites
MCU version, might be a lot tougher
@@RainInTheSummer I’m no MCU fan but Thor just based on his durability feats in infinity war with tanking the full power of a dwarf star from the Dyson sphere forge already puts him at beyond mark and thraggs durability as they burned to a crisp in the surface of the sun on the surface. Not even a full concentrated blast from the entire sun.
It doesn’t look like it but he also already has speed feats comparable to their warp speed. And any time he dodged a laser on screen it’s an instant light speed reaction time which is about the combat reaction time mark has. Thor alone claps based on superior durability and wider range of powers.
@@RiceCubeTech fair enough, I still think it’s close fight though
no
@@RiceCubeTech Mark and Thragg were being bathed in the sun while thor was just surviving its energy output so they aren't easily comparable and it those two feats are more about heat resistance than durability.
Viltrumites have mftl+ reaction speeds, did you not watch the video. And arguably viltruites can reach large planet - dwarf star lvl's of power on the high ends. Which is relative or above thor.
Nice match up happy Saturday afternoon
Same to you!
> Could The Avengers Stop The Viltrumites?
Yes , easily.
Idk how is this even a close competition.
no
@@mementomori1553Yes. If we include Wanda and Strange who can warp reality entire Invincible verse is toast
@@mementomori1553current mcu yes. Easily. Before infinity war I would have my doubts
Each viltrumite is practically superman, and there's a whole army of them. There's no way the avengers are winning even close
@@acessor9899 >Each viltrumite is practically superman
They are not even close to being anywhere as strong as any incarnation of Superman
You really think a Vili is going to scratch Hulk? Hulk Also has a god level healing factor that makes Deadpool and wolverine look like beaches. Thanos is an incalculable fighter who can lift moon sized engines without the power stone so of course Hulk just can't flail around like a baby and beat him.
This is MCU version.
Viltrumites are whipping the entire verse.
But are the viltrumites a galactic or universal threat??
Cap. Any Infinity Gauntlet user solos Invincible.
Did you see the shit Ultron was doing in What If Ep 6?
Delusional. Viltrumites aren't even strong enough to defeat Thor in 1v1. Let alone cosmic entities like Surtur, IG Thanos, Eternity, TLT, Dormammu, Loki and others. Actually, Invincible verse is so weak in comparison that Wanda with Darkhold alone would solo easily.
@@Palach624it's mcu obviously everyone knows the viltrumites would get squashed in the comics but hekk nah they're not getting past eternity or any celestial
Iron Man didn't tank a whole moon falling on him, only a riny piece of it. It makes him around Island level but nowhere near moon level
On the topic of invincible, you should make a tech jacket vs iron man, might be cool to see
This video is so dumb
You can't call a character light speed when both the character and the beams themselves are quite clearly NOT moving anywhere close to light speed even though they technically should. If that's your logic then all three of them would just immediately turn Earth into a black hole or at the least ignite a fusion reaction that atomises the entire planet.
Quicksilver also does not travel anywhere near that fast, his Xmen counterpart runs thousands of times faster
They all fight and move much slower than light except Captain Marvel, who still fights way slower than light, but when needing to travel between planets actually does go FTL
Viltrumites on the other hand seem to react and do their punches at much faster speeds. Even to the heavy hitters like thor and captain marvel, a viltrumite is a speedster to them, and you can't can't beat what you can't even anticipate. Though that is partly due to the MCU being portrayed in live action compared to animated so their speeds obviously look human.
A planet of Superman beings, MCU avengers stand zero chance. Thanos had an army during the finally battle and they almost lost again to him if it wasn’t for Tony. Comic book avengers, maybe. The vultramites are a planet of militarized Superman powered beings that’s what makes them scary. They are organized and efficient. The only heroes standing a slim chance are hulk, Wanda, Dr Strange, “maybe” vision. If they organize themselves they could (and that’s a big could) defeat the vultramites. The vultramites are an advanced race, they’re not stupid. Imagine everyone on earth has Superman abilities I don’t care how strong you are, that’s a lot.
No Thor??? He scales to the strongest viltrumites we've seen in so far especially with Stormbreaker which can pierce them and cut through them
Now come to think about it, we should see Thanos take on the Viltrumites for a battle of universal control. However I would give Thanos a half complete Infinity Gauntlet with full armor, sword and going all out while not holding back.
This is pretty cool concept but where the hell do you get the idea that because a character has dodged an attack with a with a high projectile speed equates to their reaction speed?
Most attacks are have some kind of windup and that’s what they react to, not to the projectile.
They don't just dodge it, they even block or reflect it back.Thor literally hits back the Destroyer's beam numerous times.
@@ChuckI wouldn’t just take their word to say it’s a light beam the speed would be more like a bullet if you measured it baised on the video evidence
Dude, I'm not going to lie. You're using scaling that already dwarfs whatever Viltrimites can do. I'm turning off the video. All you got to say is Thor's faster than light. It doesn't matter because oh well. Thor and Captain America fought before and they were on par with each other, but then Thor stronger than Thanos. But then Captain America held off Thanos hands. So that means he's the strongest Thanos but he's not stronger so. Therefore yada yada yada, whatever whatever So it doesn't matter
Hey Chuck a small recommendation but i feel like you should ad time stamps in the videos
See I love this video! No bias. Just straight up the different ways BOTH would win.
Thanks for watching!