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  • @KeyIssues
    @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +120

    Is that a Tylearned reference? Also, DanCo is still a plagiarist

    • @Bman32x
      @Bman32x 29 днів тому +11

      Since we have a couple deviations from the comic, is Allen’s gf the coalition traitor?

    • @killmongrel3621
      @killmongrel3621 29 днів тому +13

      Mr copycat over there coped your video

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +12

      @@killmongrel3621he has a sickness

    • @BrandonScott-mi5pz
      @BrandonScott-mi5pz 29 днів тому +3

      GREAT KEY 🗝 ISSUES INVINCIBLE ALLEN THE ALIEN VS BATTLE BEAST

    • @danielpatterson5189
      @danielpatterson5189 29 днів тому +2

      He copied except he got it completely wrong. As usual.

  • @giannifois8948
    @giannifois8948 29 днів тому +1324

    Everyone in Invincible universe: “I’m the strongest🤓”
    Old Mark:🤫🗿

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +168

      EoS Mark is simply built different

    • @cynicaltheastrocreep4504
      @cynicaltheastrocreep4504 29 днів тому +133

      @@KeyIssues Human+viltrumite dna is the most powerful combination, Mark is also of the royal blood as well. He is the strongest character in the universe when he defeats thragg at the end. He literally defeats Allen when the new viltrum empire and coalition of planets go to war. When Robert Kirkman says Invincible can beat superman, he's talking about how Viltrumites get stronger as they age and mark is only like 20 years old when he is the strongest in that universe. Imagine when he's 500

    • @tristanpelkey9109
      @tristanpelkey9109 29 днів тому +86

      ​@@cynicaltheastrocreep4504 500, 1000, 10,000 doesn't matter how old Mark gets. While he can beat some of the weaker versions of Superman, most versions stomp him

    • @kazikhalid6197
      @kazikhalid6197 29 днів тому +45

      @@tristanpelkey9109only version of superman Mark can beat is probably the skinny one from flashpoint.

    • @tristanpelkey9109
      @tristanpelkey9109 29 днів тому +12

      @kazikhalid6197 Nah he could probably beat My Adventures Superman (The one from the new show) and possibly a few others that are escaping my mind rn. But point is yea he can't beat most versions of supes

  • @assumingfrog7944
    @assumingfrog7944 26 днів тому +268

    I love the fact that in this series with reality warpers and super geniuses that build world-destroying weapons, the strongest characters are just dudes who are really durable and hit really hard

    • @billbelicheat4499
      @billbelicheat4499 22 дні тому +6

      because they are vulnerable, but robot is the one who conquers earth and can defeat viltrimites

    • @johnconnor8206
      @johnconnor8206 19 днів тому +13

      Atom eve without her limiters the strongest in the series hands down

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 13 днів тому +1

      @@johnconnor8206 Rexsplode victim.

  • @Nightman776
    @Nightman776 29 днів тому +1061

    IMO if battle beast wasn’t the way he was and was an actual team member if him and Allen team up against thrag I think they could take him

    • @yab01keef67
      @yab01keef67 29 днів тому +114

      I mean yeah Allen could have taken thrag alone and probably wouldn't have been hospitalized

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +293

      Allen and Battle Beast put Thragg in a blender like Cap and Winter Soldier did to Iron Man.

    • @Eye-Am-exclipse
      @Eye-Am-exclipse 29 днів тому

      @@yab01keef67no💀

    • @Eye-Am-exclipse
      @Eye-Am-exclipse 29 днів тому +10

      @@yab01keef67prime invincible = prime thragg and prime invincible low diffed Allen

    • @boi-4216
      @boi-4216 29 днів тому +109

      @@Eye-Am-exclipseyea no, invincible was closer to thragg’s power in there final fight and mark at the end of the series has been alive for a long time after that fight, making it obvious he was above prime thragg.

  • @roflmywaffles1313
    @roflmywaffles1313 29 днів тому +726

    Never forget his warrior code permanently fumbled the war and led to Nolan's and Oliver's death

    • @BobThePenguin.
      @BobThePenguin. 29 днів тому +151

      Honestly, Allen is the one who fumbled. If he had just let the ragnars be released after battle beast died, they would have killed him. He knew Battle Beast wanted a 1v1 so he should have known battle beast would help thragg rather than fight with the ragnars.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +73

      Bro really just wanted to d*e

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +188

      @@BobThePenguin. no, that's completely wrong. Battle Beast's GF released them early. They were supposed to be released afterward which was Allen and BB's plan. She fumbled it.

    • @roflmywaffles1313
      @roflmywaffles1313 29 днів тому +20

      @@BobThePenguin. wasn't that the original plan but BB's girlfriend released them early?

    • @johanalejandrocazadordepin7225
      @johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 29 днів тому +4

      he was also a coward who never fought thragg directly, always relying on others.

  • @rogergabbert7434
    @rogergabbert7434 29 днів тому +513

    Viltrumites are the Saiyans, but Allen is the Zenkai god

    • @GhostOfAces
      @GhostOfAces 29 днів тому +14

      Saiyan saga saiyans.
      If we are talking Goku and Veggie Boi, they are casually swatting galaxies and universe destroying attacks.

    • @joshuahecht6866
      @joshuahecht6866 28 днів тому +2

      NDB aka Near Death Boost.
      Zenkai for DBZ Fans when it comes to permanent power up.

    • @firdanharbima6997
      @firdanharbima6997 28 днів тому

      ​​@@joshuahecht6866no???? Zenkai Are NDB
      Nvm I thought you're calling both are different

    • @FC-nr4ot
      @FC-nr4ot 27 днів тому +1

      @@GhostOfAcesgoku and vegeta are planet level in the saiyan saga… probably around allen at his strongest.

    • @Silliously
      @Silliously 26 днів тому +1

      Allen is like saiyan plus Darwin he not only stronger but also adapt to it like get explode and get fireproof

  • @1hundred1
    @1hundred1 29 днів тому +281

    Finally. EOS Allen getting the respect he deserves. He's too damn powerful.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +31

      The drip is off the charts as well

    • @firdanharbima6997
      @firdanharbima6997 28 днів тому +4

      ​@@KeyIssuessadly sitting way too long on the chair nerf him

    • @Xeno391
      @Xeno391 5 днів тому

      @@firdanharbima6997 once he gets another near death experience the zenkai he will get will be generational

  • @isaaccuevas1717
    @isaaccuevas1717 29 днів тому +175

    Something of note is that battle beast injured himself fighting thragg, although thragg was also injured,we’ve seen that viltrimites are extremely resistant, we’ve seen them hold their own guts in their hand and still able to fly and fight,so that cut thragg got probably didn’t make him that much weaker l,while battle beast most definitely made him weaker,and still fought till the end

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +29

      yah i said that

    • @eduardopliego497
      @eduardopliego497 26 днів тому +8

      And thragg probably healed a lot by the end of the battle

    • @ShimmyFr
      @ShimmyFr 22 дні тому +1

      People who say this are coping. Thragg was more injured than BB. He was not only disemboweled but had deep cuts all across his body from the ragnars. BB only cut open his stomach.

    • @ShimmyFr
      @ShimmyFr 22 дні тому +1

      @@eduardopliego497…. Did you not see what Thragg looked like in the final panel?

    • @marneuscalgar4943
      @marneuscalgar4943 18 днів тому +1

      I love Invincible but the comics fanbase is one of the worst I ever seen lmfao, only speaking of power scale while it's absolutely not the point 🥸
      It remind me of the worst of DBZ's fanbase lmfao try to understand the story before talk so much non sense

  • @brandonlong8638
    @brandonlong8638 28 днів тому +140

    Allen is secretly stroonger than Thragg, but decides to remain observant and politically sound.

    • @nervz
      @nervz 20 днів тому +6

      Bro is gojo.

    • @deaconaligood
      @deaconaligood 22 години тому

      then, then why did he employ BB to kill Thraag?
      because Allen simply can't

    • @Goldendwarf1
      @Goldendwarf1 2 години тому

      As mentioned in video, he is supposed to lead the coalition ​@@deaconaligood

    • @deaconaligood
      @deaconaligood Годину тому

      @@Goldendwarf1 except if they were roughly the same power level, why didn't they team up to go whoop thragg?

    • @Goldendwarf1
      @Goldendwarf1 34 хвилини тому

      @@deaconaligood they simply thought BB is enough (or at least they expected him to finish thragg on his own)

  • @benjaminmhenderson
    @benjaminmhenderson 29 днів тому +112

    Allen has some feats but I am annoyed how much Allen taunts his strength and really doesn't do much in the series. He's mostly tell don't show. The mark/Allen scuffle mark was angry but he wasn't TRYING to kill Allen he was just venting his anger with punches. Allen is stronger yes but it wasn't like it was some huge power gap either. We've never seen Allen pushed to his limits in a fight which annoys me. Who knows if he'd even have the grit and determination to fight for days? Everyone he fights is a friend or mostly nameless viltrumites. I love Allen cool guy but I wish he did have a true fight to prove all his words more concretely.

    • @macvadda2318
      @macvadda2318 26 днів тому +4

      Mark is stronger than allen thi

    • @nocturnalbulk
      @nocturnalbulk 7 днів тому

      ​@@macvadda2318 end of comics yes, earlier no

  • @chuxkp7512
    @chuxkp7512 25 днів тому +4

    Really glad I found this page..i actually own the entire Invincible series but I haven’t read it to completion for a few years..this was a very good refresher

  • @guapoindustries5030
    @guapoindustries5030 29 днів тому +100

    Allen is stronger, just like you explained in the video, Allen taking on omni man to prevent omni man from interfering in Allen’s plans to use the scourge virus and him just casually beating omni man who is probably enraged to stop Allen proves it, dude is on Thraggs level until the end of the series where I say mark becomes the strongest since he defeats Allen

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +10

      preach preach preach

    • @1EdgarA
      @1EdgarA 29 днів тому +18

      I think Allen could have been stronger than Mark at the end, but he probably stopped training and getting into fights. I imagine Allen started being a politician and stopped fighting for the most part, unlike Mark who was maintaining peace across the galaxy.

    • @onebitedino1765
      @onebitedino1765 29 днів тому +9

      Allen only reached Thragg maybe after second power boost. Thragg is confident in easily killing Allen after the Viltrumite War, and it’s implied he wasn’t lying.

    • @billybob4532
      @billybob4532 25 днів тому

      ​@onebitedino1765 It doesn't matter what Thragg thinks, it matters about the actual scaling, and Allen has been on Battle Beast and Thraggs level before his 2nd zenkai boost

    • @onebitedino1765
      @onebitedino1765 25 днів тому +13

      @@billybob4532 No, by “actual scaling” Thragg still low diffs Allen.
      Nolan and Allen we’re losing to weakened Rognarrs, with Nolan saying they only survived because the Rognarrs were weakened. Battle Beast kills Rognarrs casually. Allen was struggling against Dinosaurus, Thragg no diffed him. Allen has struggled in fights against the Viltrumite general, who is weaker than Thragg by statements and feats.
      So no, Allen doesn’t match Thragg by scaling. At all.

  • @Mikerille
    @Mikerille 29 днів тому +38

    If battle beast didn’t nerf himself, and actually used his weapons, I’m sorry but he would’ve beaten thragg, honestly if his normal hits could somewhat blitz thragg, his sword would cleave thragg

    • @nalapala_
      @nalapala_ 29 днів тому +8

      also unlike thrag he doesn’t have regeneration. on equal footing battle beast wins

    • @Mikerille
      @Mikerille 29 днів тому +16

      @@nalapala_ yup. Thragg was already regenerating his head, and eye nearly completely when battle beast died, and if you notice, battle beasts really ONLY injury, was the one he gave himself, which thragg used as a way to kill him. Without it, he’d stomp

    • @dontawilliams8433
      @dontawilliams8433 29 днів тому +6

      @@Mikerillethat’s what I’ve been saying, the only visible wound on battle beast is the one he himself made, besides that there are no wounds

    • @Chiefteeth1
      @Chiefteeth1 29 днів тому +2

      @@Mikerillebattle beast literally took damage from average viltrumite punches but you don’t think thragg could’ve? Lay off the crack pipe

    • @Mikerille
      @Mikerille 29 днів тому +1

      @@Chiefteeth1 that was battle beast YEARS before his fight with thragg dude

  • @levnz
    @levnz 29 днів тому +8

    love those kinda videos from you 👍🔥

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +3

      Glad you like them!

  • @GMod428
    @GMod428 29 днів тому +82

    Allen all day. He doesn't even use his secret weapon in battle. He could easily get in his opponent's head. Play a few minds games. Then, take advantage of the opponent's hesitation.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +25

      Armored Allen one shots Thragg, but Mark is the main character so he let Mark take the glory.

    • @tufo6306
      @tufo6306 29 днів тому +6

      @@KeyIssues now that is a punchy claim

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +10

      @@tufo6306don’t take my comments seriously, just the video

    • @IndianChad2005
      @IndianChad2005 27 днів тому

      ​@@KeyIssues Lmao

  • @thejoabear
    @thejoabear 25 днів тому +14

    I didn't believe you at first, but you made a lot of great points that I hadn't even thought of. You convinced me.

  • @Nah_id_win_883
    @Nah_id_win_883 29 днів тому +34

    So we gonna ignore how thragg thretens to rip allen's head off before he can react and allen instantly backs down despite having help?

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +19

      That’s not why Allen backs down. As Thragg already stated, Allen didn’t even want to release the virus but felt pressure to. He backs down after hearing Thragg out, not after the first, second, or even third threat.

    • @onebitedino1765
      @onebitedino1765 29 днів тому +25

      @@KeyIssues Crazy how you didn’t address the fact Thragg is implied to be able to easily kill Allen, which legit debunks the entirety of this video, and instead went to “that’s not why he backed down!”.

    • @stephencox8723
      @stephencox8723 29 днів тому +29

      @@onebitedino1765thragg making a threat is implying he can actually make due on it? mark says he’s invincible all the time before he gets whooped.

    • @onebitedino1765
      @onebitedino1765 29 днів тому +6

      @@stephencox8723 Mark never calls himself Invincible as in unbeatable, but just reading the scene we see the writers intent.
      Come on bruh, Robert Kirkman, the story creator says Thragg is the strongest in the series and is second to none. Allen doesn’t stack up.

    • @stephencox8723
      @stephencox8723 29 днів тому +17

      @@onebitedino1765 Allen flies into the sun that damaged mark and thragg severely unblemished. End of series Allen and Mark are clearly above Thragg. The creator saying Thragg is the strongest viltrumites doesn’t contradict this because Allen isn’t a viltrumites and mark is only half.

  • @kleeklee4572
    @kleeklee4572 29 днів тому +80

    Invincible is def not more powerful than superman 😂

    • @dolphin-studio
      @dolphin-studio 28 днів тому +5

      Which superman, I hate when people say superman as if there was only one. If you don't specify, it's a yes and a no. Or use the og superman that one that didn't fly in which case he dies.

    • @Jsipki265
      @Jsipki265 27 днів тому +17

      @@dolphin-studio most versions can defeat mark.

    • @ponquin
      @ponquin 27 днів тому +20

      @@dolphin-studioWhen people talk about a character, they usually mean the canon one of the one they are most familiar with.

    • @eGemios
      @eGemios 26 днів тому +4

      @@dolphin-studiomost people aren’t nerds and don’t think to specify, literally like 70% of any version beats mark, golden age, Nu52, and Post Crisis shits on mark (while I do like mark more) he’s just badly outclassed

    • @eGemios
      @eGemios 26 днів тому +1

      kirkman doesn’t actually believe that and I really doubt many people do, they just say it for satire

  • @vialsaya6590
    @vialsaya6590 29 днів тому +5

    Kirkman has said before that the animated series is like a "second draft" in some cases, so who knows if that means something like this could happen

  • @nicholasnielsen251
    @nicholasnielsen251 28 днів тому

    Keep up the good work!
    I love your content

  • @patrickbret1056
    @patrickbret1056 29 днів тому +3

    A tierlist video would be pretty cool!

  • @eliluzgart8503
    @eliluzgart8503 29 днів тому +22

    while you make a good case for allen I think battle beast is stronger from multiple scaling options like when in invincible 88 thrag claims that even infected and weakend he could still speed blitz allen

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +4

      Allen all day babyyyyyy

    • @Chiefteeth1
      @Chiefteeth1 29 днів тому +1

      Allen literally fought comparable
      Enemies to battle beast. The difference is that Allen took no damage while battle beast did. The same attack that koed battle beast did absolutely nothing to Allen. It over

    • @groscaramelmou2583
      @groscaramelmou2583 16 годин тому

      ​@@Chiefteeth1Allen never fought thrag

  • @dnmstarsi
    @dnmstarsi 29 днів тому +54

    I'd be down for this fight. Or just Allen getting some 1v1 fights from other guys aside from the Graysons.
    Season 3 better squeeze in a good fight between Allen and Thokk.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +13

      I hope so, but I can’t wait for BB vs Thragg. I know they will deliver.

  • @ltrain7715
    @ltrain7715 29 днів тому +33

    I just finished the comic and was kinda sad that EoS Mark didn’t have an absurd feat like pushing a solar system around to show how strong he really is

    • @wambokodavid7109
      @wambokodavid7109 29 днів тому +14

      those are bullshit feats and i hate them.its why i nolonger take supes serious

    • @ltrain7715
      @ltrain7715 29 днів тому +2

      @@wambokodavid7109 ok pal

    • @anenclavetrooper9707
      @anenclavetrooper9707 28 днів тому +6

      @@wambokodavid7109it’s fictional stop crying

    • @MicroSpecGamer
      @MicroSpecGamer 26 днів тому

      that would make ssj2 teen Gohan vs Mark actually bearable and not a stomp... Heard that some powerscalers want beast gohan vs Mark....

    • @7reasons617
      @7reasons617 26 днів тому

      @@MicroSpecGamerDb has a bigger planet and and celestial bodies in general since it’s the same as Dr slumps earth, which is larger than the sun. Ssj2 Gohan would still solo.

  • @84551
    @84551 29 днів тому +3

    I saw a Tier list in your video Superman vs Black Adam, do you intend to make a video explaining the tier list, or have you already done it?

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +1

      No usually our videos explain them or build off other previous tier vids

  • @nicks1459
    @nicks1459 29 днів тому +19

    Me when I’m in a not reading the comic competition and my opponent is KeyIssues

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +15

      Me when I’m in an irrelevant loser competition and my opponent is nicks1459 🫨

    • @antogno4625
      @antogno4625 29 днів тому

      Can you elaborate?

    • @nicks1459
      @nicks1459 29 днів тому +9

      @@KeyIssues It’s ok bro everyone knows you’re tweakin💔

    • @nicks1459
      @nicks1459 29 днів тому +9

      @@antogno4625 Simple battle beast has far better feats, as does thragg

    • @mikonyx7712
      @mikonyx7712 28 днів тому +2

      ​@@KeyIssuesNarcissism much 🤔

  • @SerkeysTV
    @SerkeysTV 29 днів тому +5

    "Incredibly more powerful" what top notch writing you got there. 😂

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +7

      Thank you I almost passed 3rd grade

  • @ExInfamous
    @ExInfamous 29 днів тому +25

    I think Allen could go toe to toe with Thragg but that he would ultimately lose as it would turn into a battle of wills. Mark beat Thragg because his spirit is indomitable and he was willing to die along with him if it meant he still died.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +4

      Allen was stronger than mark atp imo

    • @MikeLitty69
      @MikeLitty69 26 днів тому

      Yea but also maybe it would be smart for Allen to lose to Thragg...he would just heal up and return even more powered up. His whole thing is coming back more resistant and stronger to the thing that killed/almost killed him.

    • @williamhiggins8906
      @williamhiggins8906 26 днів тому +2

      @@MikeLitty69true but thragg wouldn’t let him recover and he’d just finish him off

    • @groscaramelmou2583
      @groscaramelmou2583 16 годин тому

      ​@@KeyIssuesyouare just trying too hard with no argument man..

  • @juliusfishman7222
    @juliusfishman7222 29 днів тому +13

    Yeah Allen could probably have taken thragg in my opinion , they could have gone toe to toe wonder why he never fought him instead of mark

  • @triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771
    @triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771 29 днів тому +17

    BB vs Allen post evolution (either first or second) is literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +6

      Allen the Hydrogen Bomb

    • @onebitedino1765
      @onebitedino1765 29 днів тому +10

      First evolution Allen gets killed. Thragg had full confidence in easily killing him by then, and it’s implied he’s right.

  • @Bman32x
    @Bman32x 29 днів тому +7

    Allen could take any viltrumite other than mark in the future and thragg to my understanding. Would have been interesting to see battle beast at full strength fight thragg at full strength. The fatal wound handicap made it “even” but there’s still no real way to tell how badly it hindered one or both of them.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +1

      could even take Thragg imho

    • @achimpanzee9210
      @achimpanzee9210 29 днів тому

      I think it was intended that Thragg and Battle Beast be even, that’s how I think of it at least since they both have similar injuries, I get viltrumites are resistant to damage and can hold their guts and still fly off but Battle Beast is highly resistant to things like that too.

  • @TheMegahontake
    @TheMegahontake 28 днів тому

    Great video!

  • @n64central
    @n64central 28 днів тому

    Ngl, I’m surprised you didn’t make videos covering the mutants on X-men 97. Feels like a missed opportunity

  • @maku3857
    @maku3857 29 днів тому +7

    Leave it to danco to post the same video in the same day😂

  • @slapnutsmcgee2980
    @slapnutsmcgee2980 29 днів тому +74

    Vegeta threw Nappa so far he turned orange, lost an eye and ended up in an alternate dimension

    • @Silliously
      @Silliously 26 днів тому +6

      and lost his memory upgraded his zenkai boost now come with adapt ability

    • @ballatam7
      @ballatam7 22 дні тому +1

      🌽

  • @CameraPunk5049
    @CameraPunk5049 29 днів тому +5

    Allen being as strong as Thragg at the time he wanted to release the Scourge virus, would mean Thragg couldn't decapitate Allen and would mean he shouldn't have been affraid to battle him.
    Which for a narrative perspective doesn't make sense.
    I do consider him to be maybe stronger than Anissa at the time.
    But more than that seems vey questionable.

    • @philipsilva8406
      @philipsilva8406 25 днів тому +1

      Allen never wanted to release, he felt forced to but thragg and mark talked him out of it, he didn’t back down from the first 2 threats so why would he randomly decide to in the 3rd

    • @CameraPunk5049
      @CameraPunk5049 25 днів тому

      @@philipsilva8406
      Because Allen realized he would've died for nothing. Even if he were to bypass Mark and Thragg and release the scourge virus on Earth, The Viltrumites were ready to leave as soon he entered the atmosphere of Earth.
      And Allen knew he wasnt strong enough to take on Thragg, and the Coalition would lose his leader.

    • @groscaramelmou2583
      @groscaramelmou2583 16 годин тому

      Yeah, thinking Allen was stronger than thrag is absurd plot wise

  • @jaydonthomas427
    @jaydonthomas427 2 дні тому

    "This *is* a thing and if it isn't I will make it one because it should be" fair enough 😂 what an absolute goat

  • @SHMOUSEY86
    @SHMOUSEY86 25 днів тому

    The problem with Allen fighting any big fights is that from a writing perspective, there's only so many times that can happen before he'd be overshadowing everyone else. They only give him the single near-death experience/power bump, and it was too much power for him to gain in one go.
    I think it would have been much more effective to have him get in a lot more situations like that through the comics to slowly build him up to the level of power we're used to him being at. That way there would be some room for fun matches like Allen vs BB.

  • @DragonoftheRust
    @DragonoftheRust 24 дні тому +1

    Machine head hiring Battlebeast is like Kingpin hiring Thanos

  • @laffywaffy1989
    @laffywaffy1989 28 днів тому

    If only got crossover from Invincible Universe and Image Comics Universe. I totally wanted to see a fight between battle Beast vs Pitt, but I'd be happy to see a video on who would win between the two.

  • @mrmarr8308
    @mrmarr8308 15 днів тому +1

    Allen is humungous, holy fucking shit

  • @skilledharmish
    @skilledharmish 29 днів тому +31

    Allen will f*ck battle beast
    Not literally tho

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +10

      true and factual

    • @NoseHasEyes
      @NoseHasEyes 29 днів тому +3

      why not literally? 😈

    • @skilledharmish
      @skilledharmish 29 днів тому

      @@NoseHasEyes uhh would be weird if a one eyed alein fu*ked a upright tiger , pretty weird

    • @firdanharbima6997
      @firdanharbima6997 28 днів тому

      ​@@NoseHasEyescause he's not gay

  • @somedudewithakeyboard5388
    @somedudewithakeyboard5388 25 днів тому +1

    Thing about Battle Beast is that he really lacks a lot of things that characters like Allen and Thragg take for granted
    He can't fly, and he doesn't have regenerative healing. If you fought him in space, and pushed him away from you, he wouldn't be able to get back and attack you again, hence why he has two clear loses in space.
    As for his fight with Thragg, he gave himself an injury that is objectively more dangerous to him than it would be if he were a Viltrumite. They have passive(though not extreme) healing, meaning that Thokk didn't even the odds to fight Thragg, he gave Thragg a handicap advantage.
    There's also the questionable point that Allen didn't go after Thragg with help from someone like Mark, and instead sent Thokk.
    If we're taking End of Series characters into account, then Allen wins, no doubt about that. However, given the fact that Thokk went from bleeding from above-average Viltrumite attacks, to 1v1ing Thragg while handicapped, I fully believe that had he lived, he would have increased in strength just as much as Thragg and Allen did.
    Overall, I would say that, given all 3 lived to the end of the series, and got the power-ups to match. That Allen, Thragg, and Thokk would all be relative to one another. With the winner in a fight between them only really depending on how you think Allen would fair against Thragg at the point when he and Thokk fought
    Allen does have a notable weakspot though, that being his eye. Conversely, I also don't think he'd be as willing to commit to an honorable duel with Thokk, and might just grapple with him until he can toss him out into space
    Edit: Also, just as a small note. I personally believe that when talking about same-series characters in a vs battle, that you should look at the characters as they were when both were alive. Like, for example. Android 19 vs Healthy Goku, you wouldn't look at that fight and use Goku from Dragon Ball Super, you'd use Goku from Android Saga DBZ.

  • @DonutGuard
    @DonutGuard День тому

    I just want to point out that Battle Beast casually - CASUALLY - one hands a sword that looks like it's the size of Guts' Dragonslayer.

  • @djb9267
    @djb9267 27 днів тому

    What is the name of the music being used in the background?

  • @0744401
    @0744401 27 днів тому

    The viltrumites who destroyed Viltrum could only do it by flying directly behind the projectile of Space Racer's limitless gun.
    The limitless gun did most of the work - it carved a clean hole in the planet and they raced behind it to widen it before the pressure of gravity could close it back.

  • @CameraPunk5049
    @CameraPunk5049 29 днів тому +10

    Idk man, the feat of the destruction of Viltrum would be Multicontinental at best.
    Space Racer's gun did most of the trick as it can virtually punch through anything, and it was the thing that made the core unstable enough for Mark, Omniman and Thadeus to punch through.
    And even then they as Thadeus said they almost died.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +2

      The planet is much bigger and denser than earth. If you wanna argue the calculation, then go do that with the person who made it.

    • @CameraPunk5049
      @CameraPunk5049 29 днів тому +3

      @@KeyIssues
      Yeah but the density of Viltrum Is not even twice that of Earth if i recall correctly. It was 1.75 times the density of the Earth.
      Again what did most of the trick was Space Racer's gun.
      It's unknown if they can indeed Punch through a Planet's core because:
      1.- They only could destroy Viltrum because the gun Made the core unstable enough for them to punch.
      2.- Had they been caught in the Blast radious, they would've died. So even if they can indeed Punch through a Planet if they don't get away fast enough the Blast radious can caught up to them and kill them. Which would mean their attack potency exceeds their durability.
      3.-As i recall Viltrum was an old planet, the core was already unstable for them to try and do that

    • @ianhugeballs
      @ianhugeballs 25 днів тому +2

      ​@@CameraPunk5049 sure but Thaedus is weak, like he pretty much got one shotted by Thragg right after they destroyed the planet, and Omni man was somewhat able to handle him even if they lost. and at that time Omni man>invincible. meaning Thaedus is the bare minimum needed to do that feat, and generally none of them were close to dying and even fought right after so they could do way more. so the others already scales higher. and Viltrum is way denser then Earth.

    • @ianhugeballs
      @ianhugeballs 25 днів тому

      @@CameraPunk5049 weak as in he died instantly to Thragg and only has that one feat so saying he is relative is pure assumption. still Omni man>Invincible even if it was little, and he still had to save Invincible a few times when fighting Thragg. and as showed the Gun mostly is like a laser or beam so it goes in a straight line, they are the one that blew the planet by going behind the path it made. so the issue is their AP exceeding their Durability which well is pretty damn normal in Invincible since the average Viltrumite can decapitate or punch through another Viltrumite rather easily.

    • @ianhugeballs
      @ianhugeballs 25 днів тому

      @@CameraPunk5049 they didn't punch through it though, this feat is pretty much just them flying at high speed meaning its a durability and speed feat that didn't require any kind of striking strength or anything along the side of that. imo its not a good feat to use in any debate generally.

  • @Dripmaster685
    @Dripmaster685 28 днів тому +1

    Nice video
    Can u do:
    How powerful is DCEU doomsday
    How powerful is Thragg
    How powerful is Battle beast
    Conquest vs Omniman
    Thragg vs Allen (before the end of the season)
    Anissa vs Conquest

  • @user-rb4xh8yc5x
    @user-rb4xh8yc5x 13 днів тому

    bro is literally just built different

  • @bigpig88
    @bigpig88 10 днів тому

    Machine head told battle beast there was someone as strong as a viltrumite on earth, meaning omni man and battle beast was promised a battle with him, but what he got was invincible who he thought may have been the one

  • @aab1254
    @aab1254 29 днів тому

    Generally agree with the video but just wanna clear up a couple points.
    Thragg didn't get a huge power boost, it's just that initially he was caught off guard and swarmed, while when he was showing an example, he was in control and using his far superior intellect and BIQ to beat the Ragnarrs. Also keep in mind that Battle Beast with his weapons cleared the Ragnarrs away with relative ease before their fight, meaning that according to this theory BB with weapons scales above Thragg.
    It's never explicitly stated if eos Allen is his strongest. Neither Mark nor Allen were taking that fight seriously and since Allen is a different species, we don't know if his aging works the same way as Viltrumite aging and makes him stronger (if anything, he'd be arguably similar to every other species, which gets weaker as they get older).

  • @mr.knightthedetective7435
    @mr.knightthedetective7435 26 днів тому +1

    Wait, Battle Beasts race is called Leonine? I thought his race was unnamed and fandom went with "Nekoparans"

  • @ohno429
    @ohno429 29 днів тому +22

    Allen negs

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +7

      light work for our guy

    • @ohno429
      @ohno429 29 днів тому +3

      @@KeyIssues w video

  • @mr.knightthedetective7435
    @mr.knightthedetective7435 26 днів тому +1

    Battle Beast and Thor would be best of friends consider both thrive in battles and wars but could you imagine tho a fusion of Battle Beast and Allan the Alien? It would basically be offbrand cyclops Lobo LMAO

  • @rybackunheardof4995
    @rybackunheardof4995 26 днів тому

    The problem with the superman vs invincible argument is theres only 1 mark but 100s of varients of superman. Its not really a fair argument to use only the best qualities of multiple superman. And as you stated in the video invincible or mark may not be sun proof but battle beast wasnt immune to the vaccume of space but he still held his own against thragg. What im getting at is just because the sun hurts mark doesnt automatically declare superman the victor. Infact superman regularly loses fights against physically weaker opponets. Not to mention mark may be weak to the sun but superman is weak to a green space rock. So yeah i do think mark can beat superman especially after the time skip. But you are right we should see more feats of mark. Its also good to note that mark regularly survives body dismemberment where as i dont see superman doing the same

  • @the_well-known_stranger2275
    @the_well-known_stranger2275 29 днів тому

    Really puts into perspective how strong end of series Mark is when best end of series Allen with seemingly relative ease, though it is possible that Allen got weaker over time due to age.

    • @Jsipki265
      @Jsipki265 27 днів тому

      Allen is mostly made up of viltrumite dna he’s not getting weaker.

  • @averageds3player699
    @averageds3player699 24 дні тому

    The thing about the battle beast vs thragg fight is, I can never get over the fact that thragg only seemed to be able to kill battle beast because of the wound that he gave himself, and the parts of the fight that we do get to see battle beast always seemed to have a slight advantage
    sure after battle beast died, everyone leveled up and he got left behind, but I'm not sure it's a big gap, thragg went from almost dying to one shotting the claw beasts, sure, but nolan managed to escape those beasts with much less injury than thragg had, does that mean nolan was stronger?

  • @kylecollins3755
    @kylecollins3755 25 днів тому

    Alan sounds like the nice guy version of Doomsday.

  • @lopsidedpotato
    @lopsidedpotato 29 днів тому +1

    Just a note on the sun thing -- is it really a fair comparison when superman's powers come directly from the sun and viltumite's powers don't? Not saying mark wins or anything but it doesn't seem like a real direct comparison.

  • @damianstarks3338
    @damianstarks3338 29 днів тому

    I like both these Invincible characters

  • @funnywackysillyman7780
    @funnywackysillyman7780 29 днів тому +1

    Makes me wonder why he didnt double team thragg with mark

  • @garwynrosser8907
    @garwynrosser8907 4 години тому

    This guy's "weak point" is his eye!?!
    I thought it was depth perception.

  • @williehughes1690
    @williehughes1690 29 днів тому +8

    Yeah it would've been one thing if Robert specifically said that Mark could beat a specific Superman like say My adventures with Superman but in general no.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +8

      Definitely not

    • @irisdaniels2318
      @irisdaniels2318 29 днів тому +1

      pretty sure he was kidding.
      also, viltrumite weaknesses include extreme heat... so you can see why he and thragg got burned.
      ​@KeyIssues

  • @dalucke8907
    @dalucke8907 6 днів тому

    Allen is brutally strong and durable. The only reason he doesn't shine more is his character. He is no warrior in heart, more like a kind dude.

  • @thomaskeery3039
    @thomaskeery3039 29 днів тому

    i hope they explore how battle beast gets in the prison in season 3 because he states he hadnt fought a vitrumite so something else put him in there?

  • @greyfoxzero
    @greyfoxzero 22 дні тому

    The threat he poses is his capacity to become stronger after failure. That means that unless he is completely destroyed he will come back stronger than the opponent who defeated him. His potential to become the strongest is based on him fighting the strongest. Unless the opponent can ensure he is utterly destroyed (even if this opponent is superior) its best to not fight him at all.

  • @cubanmslmachine4215
    @cubanmslmachine4215 26 днів тому +1

    I’m 99% sure kirkman was just messing with people with the whole invincible beats Superman thing

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  26 днів тому +1

      And I’m messing with this clear joke

  • @MilkShakeReviews
    @MilkShakeReviews 29 днів тому +2

    Great video BTW

  • @andrewmarsjr9879
    @andrewmarsjr9879 17 днів тому

    I like how you and dan co get allong

  • @KIKROX86
    @KIKROX86 29 днів тому

    I saw someone do the same video and the outcome was totally different

  • @minhnguyencong2084
    @minhnguyencong2084 29 днів тому

    Now that i think about it isn’t battle beast like achilles

  • @DimitriHellas
    @DimitriHellas 25 днів тому

    note that Thragg didnt fight back when the viltrumites attacked him, he couldve destroyed them if he wanted

  • @lucabarnardo6613
    @lucabarnardo6613 17 днів тому +1

    Everyone out here debating on who’s the strongest between all the characters. I just want to know what the hell they put into that bomb to make it do THAT to Allen. Must’ve been mde by Oppenheimer 2 or some shit.

  • @NoOneKnows88916
    @NoOneKnows88916 27 днів тому

    Btw, Thragg only fought the Ragnars after they woke up from their sleep meaning they were more clumsy and less dangerous

  • @farhanamin95
    @farhanamin95 13 днів тому

    I wish we get Battle beast vs Allen or Omniman in the show but idk if the Robert Kirkman would make those changes.

  • @petrosdilbaryan9898
    @petrosdilbaryan9898 7 днів тому

    Hold on did bro just cook ?

  • @Ben-hi3df
    @Ben-hi3df 29 днів тому +1

    Allen went form not being able to handle 1 viltrumite to being thragg level after the first zenkai boost. Then he gets ANOTHER ONE and he’s easily the strongest character in the verse until mark gets old and beats him

  • @factcheck5017
    @factcheck5017 29 днів тому

    Is agree with this assessment

  • @stevein.
    @stevein. 25 днів тому

    Interesting, could you do the 4 horsemen of apocalypse (xmen) v the black order(mcu)

  • @Veryveryinteresting23
    @Veryveryinteresting23 29 днів тому +1

    Why has no one ever made a thragg vs Allen video? We all know thragg wins but still would be interesting

  • @reefferhemp9774
    @reefferhemp9774 17 днів тому

    Alan regeneration healing skills is like a saiyan 😁😆🤣🥃

  • @GuanRytheFantastic
    @GuanRytheFantastic 22 дні тому

    Allen seems to be a good guy version of Doomsday

  • @WakandaForever1776
    @WakandaForever1776 29 днів тому

    Do a video on all comic characters that can survive the sun.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +4

      there's a lot, the sun is very weak compared to most superheroes

    • @WakandaForever1776
      @WakandaForever1776 29 днів тому

      @@KeyIssues I know that's right, but DBZ characters can whip them all hahah

  • @bluckymusic3102
    @bluckymusic3102 29 днів тому

    I wonder if they will fight in the cartoon 🤯🤔

  • @AlienSliker
    @AlienSliker 24 дні тому

    About beating superman, yeah. Its a funny thing, bc even in animated show of invincible where things were supposed to be fixed, there are a lot of dumb stuff like character have resists to certain damage and vulnerability to others.
    P.s. and yeah, invincible somewhat realistically would just be burned to death only by heat vision

  • @justinsmith974
    @justinsmith974 26 днів тому

    Isnt this the same prison that held battle beast?

  • @pgspencethelegend6933
    @pgspencethelegend6933 29 днів тому +1

    Yo @Key Issues Danco made the same video as you my boy. He posted the same thing 2 house after you posted

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +2

      He’s a loser 😭

  • @changyang1498
    @changyang1498 10 днів тому

    I’m so glad the creator of invincible saying invincible can beat Superman is still around and pressing people not realizing they’re doing what the guy wanted

  • @sean389
    @sean389 15 днів тому

    BB was not bleeding from the viltrumite on the ship, it was the viltrumites blood on his face lmao, low diffing Nolan doesn’t mean ur as strong as Thragg either not saying he’s far away but that’s not a viable source, after his zenkai boost the second time he has zero feats putting him anywhere so u really can’t gauge the strength, based on feats BB and Thragg are stronger than Allen but not by a lot on his second time

  • @akiharuhino
    @akiharuhino 29 днів тому

    makes sense that is what allen was made for

  • @billybob4532
    @billybob4532 28 днів тому

    Do Omni Man vs Conquest

  • @renukabhujel7480
    @renukabhujel7480 29 днів тому +1

    Omni man vs conquest

  • @mrbad3036
    @mrbad3036 13 днів тому

    I guess Allen does have the potential to beat Thragg and Battle Beast if he fights them and they do not finish him off, giving him a chance to heal.

  • @chcr18
    @chcr18 10 днів тому

    Allen has the saiyans zenkai boost lol

  • @Iysandrew
    @Iysandrew 5 днів тому

    9:43 for the people who wanna know the straight up answer

  • @kseegoolam
    @kseegoolam 22 дні тому

    Up next Allen vs Tragg

  • @isabaig6665
    @isabaig6665 29 днів тому

    I wanna know end of series Eve vs Allen. We know Eve Allen and Mark are better than combatants before but whether Eve beats Mark and Allen is interesting to me. I think hax give it to Eve but it is close.

  • @marcmitchell2288
    @marcmitchell2288 3 дні тому

    If BattleBeast found out that Allen gets stronger when he's near death, he'd almost kill him over and over until he was a worthy challenge 😂

  • @kaburudkiambi3389
    @kaburudkiambi3389 29 днів тому +2

    Do one for thragg vs Allen or am I the only one wondering?

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  29 днів тому +2

      Harder to say maybe one day I wll

  • @thamayor6324
    @thamayor6324 20 днів тому

    Allen maybe stringer but is he as fierce? Will he fight as dirty?

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  20 днів тому

      Battle Beast is the most honorable dude in the series. He’s not fighting dirty lmao