Just some future videos that I have planned for the channel: - What if Cell Max was PERFECTED - What if Frieza TRAINED after Namek - What if Gohan TRAINED after Cell - What if Humans were ACTUALLY useful Hope you enjoyed this one and stick around till the next one!
technically vegeta wouldn't get the form since he had 0 god of destruction training at the time, remember he trained with beerus to learn bout the powers of a destroyer
I think the ultra ego is a mindset, and Hakai can be used without training (Goku does it, although it’s a one off thing). But I could agree with going with he couldn’t get it without training with Beerus!
@JaylonTheory the thing is, Goku tried to copy it and failed, it has to be trained, it's harder than it looks. There's a difference between copying someone by eye, and actually getting trained by a master.
My head cannon says if vegeta and goku switched places when freeza tried to hakai Goku, he could have maybe took in s9me of the destruction energy the way goku absorbed God Ki and reta9ned his powers. And I say this would work as we are told Vegeta achieved God hood through training alone and not through the ritual.
Thing is Goku can do just about any technique in the show just by witnissing it once. It is what makes him a genius at fighting. Roshi used the Kamehameha on the mountain and goku tried just for laughs and did it, albiet weaker version.@mushroom11g55
I doubt it. It seems to be just visual quirk from the movie, as we did see Vegeta's hair goes from transition to green and then golden as he finished his SSJ transformation, even though it doesn't make much sense.
I mean Goku wouldn’t be getting extra Whis training that he wouldn’t have already gotten in canon. Basically Whis was hooked by Goku unlocking UI, but unlike Meerus he doesn’t understand Mortals and thus his teachings will always be limited by that. Basically Meerus is a better teacher for how Mortals unlocks and understands the fundamentals of UI, but Whis is the better teacher to explain the intermediate and advanced levels of UI.
Moro might lose against Ultra Ego Vegeta right after he escaped since he was already weakened and Hakai energy are technically toxic to him so he can't really absorb energy of destruction. Although i absolutely love the idea of True Ultra Ego
Vegeta has a genetical ability where if he gets his ass beat he comes back stronger. Vegeta has a transformation where if he is, at the moment, getting his ass beat, he gets stronger. Guess what? HE STILL GETS HIS ASS BEAT
I guess you could say Vegeta unlocks Ultra Ego again, but by the time Toppo gets eliminated I believe only Jiren was left standing, and Goku had used UI Sign twice by that point (1st with Jiren, 2nd with Kefla).
@echoconyx2496 Moro has to grab the back of someones neck to take their ability nowhere was it stated that Moro gets his ability just by touching or getting touched
Nah, he needs to touch someone in order to get there abilities, and based off the fact that Black Frieza doesn’t even rival Beerus yet, Moro has 0 chance of getting his hands on Beerus
If Vegeta unlocked UE earlier, his fight record in that form would be 0 - 4 instead of 0 - 3. Ultra Ego in TOP would've just start his losing streak earlier. Been watching this man get his ass beat for 30 years. Don't really see that pattern changing anytime soon.
Yeah tbh just thinking like the writers probably would, even if he got the form Early he probably still wouldn’t win any major battles (maybe small temporary wins here and there, or tag teams).
@JaylonTheory Yup, pretty much gotta agree with what you just said. Don't get me wrong, Vegeta is one of the better written characters, but they just refuse to give him any real glory. He's always been the character to make the villain look good, which ultimately is designed to make Goku look good. For example, I'll give you the Moro arc. Gives Vegeta a character development arc, then gives him new ability, just for him to show up, get jobbed, then Goku wins.
Hey! Love the what if. Hope youre having a wonderful new year! I do have a what if for you to explore. And its quite unusual. What if the goku black arc happened BEFORE beerus woke up. So for the conditions. Gokus max is ssj3 Vegetas max is ssj2 Trunks is trunks. Goku black is going to stay in ssj for a while before showing off godly rosé (basically ssg but pink. I wanted to use it more for ambushing since the protags cant sense godki.) Zamasu is zamasu and will do zamasu things. I think a fusion would be mandatory. But with trunks and vegeta making Trugeta (or Vegenks). While goku gathers energy from the present. Holds it in his body to time travel. And attempts something similar to what happened in the androids movie. But it isnt perfect and only slows zamasus regeneration... And as such forces their trump card for a fusion. Forcing a temporary retreat to try and stop them once and for all. I think itd be a really fun what if... You can use the template or go your own route with it! Always love listening to your what ifs when im stuck at work. Have a wonderful day.
You messed something up. Broly fought frieza for an entire HOUR before the dragon was gathered and a wish was made. Goku and vegeta might have finished Broly off before the wish was even thought of
The Dragon Balls were already gathered (Frieza didn’t decide to descend to the Earth until this was confirmed). Once arriving, Frieza allowed Goku and Vegeta to fight with Broly for entertainment sake. However, from what I remember, the only reason anyone thinks to summon shenron, is because Gogeta Blue was about to kill Broly and they wanted to save his life. And it was not a time restraint that kept them from making the wish.
@@JaylonTheory hmm you right. The only thing to consider is maybe Vegeta by himself without the fusion of Goku influencing them to play with broly instead of finish him could be the difference here. Vegeta might finish him before they can summon shenron still since Goku's mind isn't there to convince him not too
@@JaylonTheory and buddy goku also want through training like vegeta Goku trained with meerus and whis while vegeta trained with yadraatants and beerus still they are were even In top goku also had no training for ui So Top mui >= ue vegeta top
@@yashdave7559i think you don't know that ultra ego vegeta is stronger than mui Goku. Goku mui got one taped by granola but ultra ego almost defeated granola , but you can say that for TOP since Vegeta didn't train hakai from beerus
I think the only way to combine techniques like that is to pair ultra instinct with Destroyer abilities. That is probably what a hypothetical “Ultra Vegito” would do if they fused now.
My theory is that they are moving closer to there ultra forms being there base forms. So the closer they get to mastering there ultra techniques and making it there own, the more it will resemble them in base. Which is why like MUI has silver hair (mimicking an Angle), but “TUI” has black hair, which is more align with Goku’s self and more unique to him.
I think Moro would have been quickly defeated in the rematch after Yardrat training, and that Granolah would have been killed before Gas and Elec became a threat. Freeza Black would have still happened, but I think Vegeta would have been able to take a few blows.
Can definitely agree with Moro. If Vegeta could catch up to Moro arc MUI Goku that early Moro would be no diff. It would really depend on if he could divert Vegeta and absorb his power somehow
Honestly blue evolution made a whole lot more sense because at the time vegeta wasn’t doing one on one training with beerus, he was still training under Whis mostly so he had no real destroyer power. Blue evolution is kind of like a precursor to ultra ego because it is blue fueled by pure pride and that’s the basis of ultra ego
You could definitely look at it that way. I don’t think Beerus is REQUIRED for Ultra Ego. However I do think he was the key player in pointing Vegeta in the right direction due to his understanding of how the power works.
So months of training with beerus got vegeta that strong imagine if he just trained with him since dragon ball battle of gods bro would’ve erased frieza goku black zamasu and probably smack jiren
Honestly it would have been cool to see Beerus begin training Vegeta from the very start, he probably would have grasped Ultra Ego as early as his fight with Hit if I had to think about it, definitely would be way stronger than Goku Black or even Jiren around that time maybe
actually ultra ego was stronger than mui (goku was beaten by granolah, while vegeta hold is own) in granolah arc so it should be massively stronger than mui in the tournament of power arc. I think it could one/two shot jiren.
The only reason I say he isn’t, is because inbetween that time Vegeta not only trained with the Yardrats (which significantly boosted his base form and put his perfected blue on par with UI Sign Goku), but also, he was taking lessons from Beerus inbetween that and the start of the Granola arc. So even base to base, Vegeta in the Granola arc would destroy ToP Vegeta, so UE should follow. But tbh, you never know, if he got UE I’m sure they would have written it to be as strong as MUI at that time!
I only mentioned X10, which Goku may objectively be able to do, since the Universe 6 tournament happens shortly after Revival of F. But for X20, he could use it in the Tournament of power (he uses Kio Ken against merged Zamasu but I don’t think we know the exact figure he used).
Other than the mindset barrier that Toppo overcame to unlock god of destruction power, and the mindset barrier Vegeta overcame to unlock Ultra Ego in the manga we really have no pther reason to believe this form requires anything other than that. (I can agree the Hakai is a stretch, however in the manga Goku uses this technique with no prior training)
Just some future videos that I have planned for the channel:
- What if Cell Max was PERFECTED
- What if Frieza TRAINED after Namek
- What if Gohan TRAINED after Cell
- What if Humans were ACTUALLY useful
Hope you enjoyed this one and stick around till the next one!
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@JaylonTheory can you do what if goku was a ki dragon slayer and a ki demon slayer at buu arc and becomes a ki God slayer around battle of gods
@@JaylonTheory can you do what if goku was a ki dragon slayer and a ki demon slayer at buu arc and becomes a ki God slayer around battle of gods
@@rapidcougar3785 what
Therapist: I think we need to deal with your ego, Vegeta…
Vegeta: Exactly, it needs to be bigger.
Lmaooo, pretty much in a nutshell!
@@JaylonTheory I MUST BE TOTALLY SELF ABSORBED!
- Vegeta’s last words before getting kicked out of the friend group
technically vegeta wouldn't get the form since he had 0 god of destruction training at the time, remember he trained with beerus to learn bout the powers of a destroyer
I think the ultra ego is a mindset, and Hakai can be used without training (Goku does it, although it’s a one off thing). But I could agree with going with he couldn’t get it without training with Beerus!
@@JaylonTheory hmm that's interesting take, either I'm satisfied with the video
@JaylonTheory the thing is, Goku tried to copy it and failed, it has to be trained, it's harder than it looks. There's a difference between copying someone by eye, and actually getting trained by a master.
My head cannon says if vegeta and goku switched places when freeza tried to hakai Goku, he could have maybe took in s9me of the destruction energy the way goku absorbed God Ki and reta9ned his powers. And I say this would work as we are told Vegeta achieved God hood through training alone and not through the ritual.
Thing is Goku can do just about any technique in the show just by witnissing it once. It is what makes him a genius at fighting. Roshi used the Kamehameha on the mountain and goku tried just for laughs and did it, albiet weaker version.@mushroom11g55
Shouldve had Goku go into MUI instead of blue just like the movie teased. If you paid attention, his hair does turn silver for about 2 seconds.
Could have, the Broly movie transformations where some of the coolest I’ve ever seen animated!
I doubt it. It seems to be just visual quirk from the movie, as we did see Vegeta's hair goes from transition to green and then golden as he finished his SSJ transformation, even though it doesn't make much sense.
I mean Goku wouldn’t be getting extra Whis training that he wouldn’t have already gotten in canon. Basically Whis was hooked by Goku unlocking UI, but unlike Meerus he doesn’t understand Mortals and thus his teachings will always be limited by that. Basically Meerus is a better teacher for how Mortals unlocks and understands the fundamentals of UI, but Whis is the better teacher to explain the intermediate and advanced levels of UI.
Moro might lose against Ultra Ego Vegeta right after he escaped since he was already weakened and Hakai energy are technically toxic to him so he can't really absorb energy of destruction. Although i absolutely love the idea of True Ultra Ego
I thought opposite, that's why Whis didn't want Beerus to fight Moro
I loved the abrupt ending it made me laugh 10/10 video!
I had an outro but it felt like it didn’t add anything. Just the stereotypical “if you liked the video please subscribe” youtuber stuff😂
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I dont think the gods would stand up for Ultra Ego since they all have it. They stand for Ultra Instinct because thats unattainable for them.
Possibly, Beerus stands a few times during the tournament even aside from UI Goku, but, you could also say that they wouldn’t true true
@@JaylonTheory yeah, Beerus would stand and cheer for sure, but nobody gave Toppo a standing ovation for his Ultra Ego.
Toppo didn't ever get ultra ego it was just destroyer state ultra ego is destroyer state + going stronger when getting damaged
Also ue is hardly achievable between mortals
@frostdiamond7798 the G.O.D.s have Ultra Ego, it's hard to impress them because of that ego.
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good one do more vegeta like what if vegeta got ultra insict or if he was first withe super sayian
Will definitely add those to the list!
11:43 Cheelai and Lemo don't would be capabble to summon Shenron because Broly never attacked Frieza so Frieza would stop them
Vegeta the goat
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Ultra Ego is broken. Vegeta literally can catch up in strength to an adversary and finish them but the writers ain't letting that happen.
Seems like with the new Chapter and him fighting Broly maybe that will change soon!
@@JaylonTheorydo you think beast gohan is stronger then tui goku and UE vegeta? Since just by transforming he destroyed the area around him
@@JaylonTheory eh we will see
@@JaylonTheory Vegeta always gets the Vegeta treatment
Vegeta has a genetical ability where if he gets his ass beat he comes back stronger.
Vegeta has a transformation where if he is, at the moment, getting his ass beat, he gets stronger.
Guess what? HE STILL GETS HIS ASS BEAT
The ending of the video is so un expected
Can you please drop the Perfect Cell Max I’ve been waiting forever
maybe if he train around the end of the goku black arc
Can agree on that!
Ultra Ego Vegeta 💜💜
One of the best characters imo!
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nice video man, black hair and yellow eyes Vegeta would be soo cool to see
Thanks for watching! Agree 100%!
It’s crazy u say it goes the same when goku just got this form to so the way u made Vegeta was kinda unfair 7:41
I guess you could say Vegeta unlocks Ultra Ego again, but by the time Toppo gets eliminated I believe only Jiren was left standing, and Goku had used UI Sign twice by that point (1st with Jiren, 2nd with Kefla).
Wouldn’t the chop to the neck beerus inflicted on Moro cause Moro to get beerus’s power?
Pretty sure he has to grab someone not just get touched by them
Moro needs to grab their neck to do that
@echoconyx2496 Moro has to grab the back of someones neck to take their ability nowhere was it stated that Moro gets his ability just by touching or getting touched
Nah, he needs to touch someone in order to get there abilities, and based off the fact that Black Frieza doesn’t even rival Beerus yet, Moro has 0 chance of getting his hands on Beerus
What time does What if Pefect Cell come out
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legend say it that the hakai energy is still going in the voiod world lol
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If Vegeta unlocked UE earlier, his fight record in that form would be 0 - 4 instead of 0 - 3.
Ultra Ego in TOP would've just start his losing streak earlier.
Been watching this man get his ass beat for 30 years. Don't really see that pattern changing anytime soon.
Yeah tbh just thinking like the writers probably would, even if he got the form Early he probably still wouldn’t win any major battles (maybe small temporary wins here and there, or tag teams).
@JaylonTheory Yup, pretty much gotta agree with what you just said.
Don't get me wrong, Vegeta is one of the better written characters, but they just refuse to give him any real glory. He's always been the character to make the villain look good, which ultimately is designed to make Goku look good.
For example, I'll give you the Moro arc. Gives Vegeta a character development arc, then gives him new ability, just for him to show up, get jobbed, then Goku wins.
Hey! Love the what if. Hope youre having a wonderful new year!
I do have a what if for you to explore. And its quite unusual.
What if the goku black arc happened BEFORE beerus woke up.
So for the conditions.
Gokus max is ssj3
Vegetas max is ssj2
Trunks is trunks.
Goku black is going to stay in ssj for a while before showing off godly rosé (basically ssg but pink. I wanted to use it more for ambushing since the protags cant sense godki.)
Zamasu is zamasu and will do zamasu things.
I think a fusion would be mandatory. But with trunks and vegeta making Trugeta (or Vegenks). While goku gathers energy from the present. Holds it in his body to time travel. And attempts something similar to what happened in the androids movie. But it isnt perfect and only slows zamasus regeneration... And as such forces their trump card for a fusion. Forcing a temporary retreat to try and stop them once and for all.
I think itd be a really fun what if... You can use the template or go your own route with it!
Always love listening to your what ifs when im stuck at work. Have a wonderful day.
Wow, that’s actually a pretty unique idea! Will definitely add that to my list of videos, thanks!
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You messed something up. Broly fought frieza for an entire HOUR before the dragon was gathered and a wish was made. Goku and vegeta might have finished Broly off before the wish was even thought of
The Dragon Balls were already gathered (Frieza didn’t decide to descend to the Earth until this was confirmed).
Once arriving, Frieza allowed Goku and Vegeta to fight with Broly for entertainment sake.
However, from what I remember, the only reason anyone thinks to summon shenron, is because Gogeta Blue was about to kill Broly and they wanted to save his life. And it was not a time restraint that kept them from making the wish.
@@JaylonTheory hmm you right. The only thing to consider is maybe Vegeta by himself without the fusion of Goku influencing them to play with broly instead of finish him could be the difference here. Vegeta might finish him before they can summon shenron still since Goku's mind isn't there to convince him not too
Ultra Ego vegeta would absolutely destroy Jiren alone
Possible, but also, the Vegeta in the Granola Arc has trained with the Yardrats and Beerus, so base to base Vegeta is a bit weaker here
@@JaylonTheory well then results would as same as mui goku vs jiren
@@JaylonTheory and buddy goku also want through training like vegeta
Goku trained with meerus and whis while vegeta trained with yadraatants and beerus still they are were even
In top goku also had no training for ui
So
Top mui >= ue vegeta top
@@yashdave7559i think you don't know that ultra ego vegeta is stronger than mui Goku. Goku mui got one taped by granola but ultra ego almost defeated granola , but you can say that for TOP since Vegeta didn't train hakai from beerus
@@blank76686 goku also didn't train for ui
Should do what if goku found broly on planet vamp super early like cell games early
I do have a video coming in the future on Beerus finding Broly on Vampa, a little different but similar
Also the sales would skyrocket and Ultra Ego would be allowed in DLC
Ultra ego and Ultra instinct should merge for Vegeta now. Become one and beat up everyone.
I think the only way to combine techniques like that is to pair ultra instinct with Destroyer abilities. That is probably what a hypothetical “Ultra Vegito” would do if they fused now.
I wonder what vegeta mastered ultra ego will look like like toppos form from the t.o.p since it diffrent from what vegeta has
My theory is that they are moving closer to there ultra forms being there base forms.
So the closer they get to mastering there ultra techniques and making it there own, the more it will resemble them in base. Which is why like MUI has silver hair (mimicking an Angle), but “TUI” has black hair, which is more align with Goku’s self and more unique to him.
Honestly, I think if he got UE early, ssbe would have ended up like ssj God
I honestly wonder if Akira Toriyama knew back then that UE was coming if he would have just gave that form to Vegeta instead all together
I think Moro would have been quickly defeated in the rematch after Yardrat training, and that Granolah would have been killed before Gas and Elec became a threat. Freeza Black would have still happened, but I think Vegeta would have been able to take a few blows.
Can definitely agree with Moro. If Vegeta could catch up to Moro arc MUI Goku that early Moro would be no diff.
It would really depend on if he could divert Vegeta and absorb his power somehow
Honestly blue evolution made a whole lot more sense because at the time vegeta wasn’t doing one on one training with beerus, he was still training under Whis mostly so he had no real destroyer power. Blue evolution is kind of like a precursor to ultra ego because it is blue fueled by pure pride and that’s the basis of ultra ego
You could definitely look at it that way. I don’t think Beerus is REQUIRED for Ultra Ego. However I do think he was the key player in pointing Vegeta in the right direction due to his understanding of how the power works.
@@JaylonTheory exactly you get it
Video good but the starst kinda mkes no sence bro need to be teach to learn such power
Kioken blue is not canon since it was introduced in a filler episode
Lmao stop it
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He would match UI sign Goku t o p
Agree 100%, he should at least be that strong
So months of training with beerus got vegeta that strong imagine if he just trained with him since dragon ball battle of gods bro would’ve erased frieza goku black zamasu and probably smack jiren
Honestly it would have been cool to see Beerus begin training Vegeta from the very start, he probably would have grasped Ultra Ego as early as his fight with Hit if I had to think about it, definitely would be way stronger than Goku Black or even Jiren around that time maybe
Uhm besides that vageta took out hakai energy with evolution blue so if he had ultra ego it would be too easy
Definitely would agree!
actually ultra ego was stronger than mui (goku was beaten by granolah, while vegeta hold is own) in granolah arc so it should be massively stronger than mui in the tournament of power arc. I think it could one/two shot jiren.
The only reason I say he isn’t, is because inbetween that time Vegeta not only trained with the Yardrats (which significantly boosted his base form and put his perfected blue on par with UI Sign Goku), but also, he was taking lessons from Beerus inbetween that and the start of the Granola arc.
So even base to base, Vegeta in the Granola arc would destroy ToP Vegeta, so UE should follow.
But tbh, you never know, if he got UE I’m sure they would have written it to be as strong as MUI at that time!
makes sense@@JaylonTheory
Technically Goku can’t turn Ssjblue x20 by Goku vs broly
I only mentioned X10, which Goku may objectively be able to do, since the Universe 6 tournament happens shortly after Revival of F.
But for X20, he could use it in the Tournament of power (he uses Kio Ken against merged Zamasu but I don’t think we know the exact figure he used).
@@JaylonTheory Im saying he can’t cuz in the broly movie he can’t go Kaioken to fit with the manga
Why did they give ultra ego? Just give god of destruction power like toppo
Not sure, Perfected Super Saiyan Blue is also a manga exclusive counterpart to Blue Evolution and I have no idea why they were made different lol
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Honestly Vegeta would of one shot Jiren lol
I’m sure they would have scaled UE to contend with MUI if it came out during the ToP officially, so maybe!
Vegeta and goku are not legendary super sayians
While Goku in the main cannon is the legendary Super Saiyan, in the story its more of an internal dialogue he has with himself!
Ridiculous
Other than the mindset barrier that Toppo overcame to unlock god of destruction power, and the mindset barrier Vegeta overcame to unlock Ultra Ego in the manga we really have no pther reason to believe this form requires anything other than that.
(I can agree the Hakai is a stretch, however in the manga Goku uses this technique with no prior training)
Bro this is so good, what are you on about
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