Ultra Ego Vegeta Explained
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- GET YOUR GOKU/SMB SHIRT: tinyurl.com/sm... | God of Destruction Vegeta Explained! Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 74 featured the debut of Ultra Ego Vegeta vs Granolah after Beerus trains Vegeta and on this video, we discuss Vegeta's Road to Ultra Ego and why its NOT Ultra Instinct.
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As Geekdom mentioned, Vegeta's speech at the end of Z is not him stating he's giving up on his goal to surpass Goku or that Goku will always be better, despite what a lot of people say. It was rather an acknowledgment that Goku deserves full respect as a warrior regardless of the Saiyan class/social structure. We see in Super he's still angry and competitive when Goku achieves new feats, but unlike most of Z, it's because of a more friendly competitive rivalry rather than some deep seeded psychology involving social class.
It evolved throughout Super too, but more subtle.
These days I feel the attitude is more "Hey best buddy! Look what I can do! Top that!" Because it's more about beating your past self every day and seeing what the other guy does just fires you up to do more yourself.
Finally someone gets it!
Thats why vegeta doesn't kill him when frieza requested him to. He needs goku to keep finding levels new levels of power so he can find new levels himself
Vegeta has came along way. He even would save Kakarot in a pinch if needed out of respect and he also needs a sharp rival to keep him in shape.
@@derekclawson5707 just like when Android 20 was wallopin on Goku cause of his bad heart at the time. Vegeta came in and straight up taught an inanimate object the definition of terror
I would argue that Vegeta has gotten the most if not the only real development in Super.
@@johnnyd3158 have you even watched super🤦♂️
@@TheTrueAegonTargaryen super definitely doesn't do anything to further his development. It's done stuff we've seen before. Granted, they haven't made him go completely backwards as much as Goku, but the real development was absolutely in Z
Gohan has had character development too
Super it’s Arguable still might say Goku or Gohan but in Z it’s for sure Goku imo.
I watched DB since the RR army days and Goku's character has never really changed much, just in subtle ways. In my perspective he is the ideal of hope. Vegeta though undergoes drastic changes in personality since meeting Goku - from being a savage, someone with a grudge and selfish, to being almost human and capable of being thoughtful in ways Goku is not.
Since Vegeta got Ultra Ego, it would be nice to see him dealing the finishing blow to defeat a main villain even just for once.
Spoiler alert, he defeats Moro.
@@tylerharris1163 but he didnt
It'll never happen since the creator dislikes him and Goku is best boy forever
@@kismet8010 they build up vegeta to be a new man then give him a power up, but suddenly his plot armour breaks and he loses. every arc i swear
@@chicken8139 he should have been the one to kill cell with final flash
People miss the point of Vegeta VS Toppo so much and I think it's the greatest instance of character development in all of DBS. Vegeta is basically fighting someone who made the same choices he did in the Buu saga. Toppo was incredibly powerful and prideful, but he gave up his pride for a power boost. Vegeta did the same thing with Majin Vegeta in the Buu saga. When he used the Final Atonement to defeat what is basically the guy he used to be, he didn't die from it. You can say it's because Blue has way better ki control or because Vegeta is stronger, but the narrative reason is that Vegeta has nothing to atone for anymore. Toppo did.
Ultra Ego is such a good form for Vegeta because he's 100% true to his own pride and values and this is a showcase of it. DBZ Vegeta talked a lot of shit all the time but at the end of the day he only ever beat people weaker than him. Vegeta VS Toppo was probably the first time he squared up to someone stronger and won the fight. (Remember that Golden Frieza was a match for Goku's full power at this point and Toppo bodied him with ease)
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WOAH 😲 Dragon Ball is so DEEP
Yooo i never noticed that, this is crazy, dragon ball has a hidden deepness about it.
Not Goku's full power. They were equal in True Golden and Blue. Goku still had Kaioken on top of Blue. But no yeah that fight was pretty deep when you look into it. Vegeta faces his Buu Saga self and comes out on top.
@@ragin142 Dragon Ball is a really simple show and plot but that doesn't mean it has no depth at all. People pass it off as dumb and linear because it's simple which is really a shame.
What I appreciate is the fact that he finally managed to “go back to his old self.” He’s been metaphorically trying to return to his ruthless self for a long time and he’s finally achieved it the right way without losing himself in the process.
Facts💯💯💯
I get that but it doesn’t really progress his character, he’s supposed to be over that whole phase of his by now, majin vegeta is literally that
It’s just an excuse for vegeta to be ruthless at this point
@@rando9326 you just proved his point. When he went majin he did it the wrong way, he threw away himself for power, but for ultra ego he instead makes himself stronger through his ruthlessness
@@rando9326 it perfectly progresses his character. Beerus looked him in his eyes and told him he got strong being himself and he will only get stronger by being himself again. when it clicked it advanced his powers to new heights. literally ends the turmoil inside of him and increases his power substantially because of it. he can be the person he wants to be and the hero of his family and one of the heroes of earth at the same time. thats some deep advancement
@@SunshineTheLover that logically makes sense
But narratively it’s stupid and that’s my point
Yes toyataro provided a good explanation and reasoning as to why vegeta is back to his older ways
But from a narrative standpoint, it feels like vegeta regressed as a character. For example, piccolo’s character arc was to become a better person by the end of the saiyan arc due to gohan, now imagine if in order for him to get stronger he would have to go back to his demon king ways. That would be stupid right?, same thing applies here
I just wish someone like tien gets a crazy power up in the future, the reason being that all of the z fighters have basically given up martial arts except for tien and his dedication deserves to be recognized
While I love dragon ball overall. The super anime was so up and down whether it was good or bad. The super manga was far superior than the anime and I hope when super comes back they follow the manga rather than do it’s own thing. Other characters were actually useful in the manga!
They clowned on Tien seriously in super. He was a key player in Cell saga. Apparently he isn't liked as much by the studio as he's Chinese.
@@xios2000uk They did Yamcha and Tien dirty. I really wanted all the Z fighters to be strong and relevant :/
Like Krilin have power level 390'000u
Tien have focking 500'000u and , You can destroy earth at 10'000u (:
@@birb2330 they’d get their asses handed to them by frieza who only trained for like a couple of months
" It's all because of the fact that Vegeta is pure EGO. "
This is 100% factual, Vegeta himself stated this.
" Kakarot's body may have a mind of it's own, but I'm *all ego* , in fact, go ahead and call this Ultra Ego. "
15:25
Imo it's a little too on the nose.
Well, look at the original names for the forms, _Migatte no Goku'i_ "secret of the self centered" and _Wagamama no Goku'i_ "secret of the self indulgent". Goku let's _go_ of his emotions where Vegeta feeds from them
Ya don’t say...
@@ma_juniaYin and Yang
That’s why beerus told vegeta that he told frieza to destroy planet vegeta to simply show that his actions as a G.O.D he has no guilt for them.
he doesn't care at all
@@Geekdom101 soon he will begin to care and regret for what he did to Planet Vegeta
@@beastmotoz Yeah, and I bet the guy who killed Hitler is about to care and regret what he did to him. Wait a second....
@@beastmotoz what show were you watching
Actually had a classmate who insisted that is granddad(„G(a)rand/t-dad😂just came to me haha) -
WAS that Adolf-ending man :D
We were about 9-10 years old ,talked about it 2-3 tones ,(in heinsight it is unfortunate he never said it out loud resultibg in a Class-debate-the opinion of an adult=the teacher would be especially interesting,for me at lesst thinking back :D)
Even as a kid i argued with logic -we know he was in the bunker and he shot himself….no it was my grandps,shooting his head
He never got angry but always -confidently insisted
I actually cant remember much of thr arguments
I remember it being
„Nobody believes me snyways so -he blew his brains out is ad much info you gonna get/have to/want you to knoe (?¿)
I would like to talk about it now with an adult mind
I think it would be fun since that 100kg(im „educate“ guessing that to be around 220-245lbs)
At the time of these othe claims just turned 13 , you need to imagine -a wide/big build round face a large hanging belly,like Peter griffin propotional but a little less(shitting hinself when he sae dogs -Even Chihuahua‘s:DD my neighbor had a big one-he farted-short,loud BUT STRONG-in Tone and FLAVOUR😄😆i think we talking MikroMeters😂🤣)
Just turned 13, just talking me full of essentially being delusional things /feats of himself(idk if the intend was to make ME or HIMSELF believe the crab,or he knew/meant it to be a mutual Understanding of it being a fantasy)
LegPressing 400kg-well over 1000lbs-small car Mass(the VolksWagen up! Weighs ~900kg,so about double)
Yeah but no fat 13Year old kid who rides his Bike alot -i think pennywise would see him as ,AnINBETWEEM ofSOLID 80%MAYONAISE andBUTTER“ so a NONO-too easy Too much Cholesterin
and now the bummer He had a Legit FFM-ThreeSome-Last Year-Dont tell anyone its a secret i dont want them to knoe😄😄😄
Yeah-i dont take the adolf part too serious but fun :D
4:55 These's a genuine doubt. We see kid Vegeta not being bothered by destruction of planet Vegeta and we say that's a proof of Vegeta not caring for weaker ones and that being the reason he never revived the planet. But when Frieza killed him on namek there's a pretty emotional dialogue from Vegeta saying how he didn't choose this life and how he wants Goku to take the revenge for planet Vegeta. If Vegeta didn't care about his people why would he act so emotionally attached ?
To me i always saw vegeta fighting between two personalities. That of being a caring person and that of having ego.
It is a retconn. This is why the Broly movie sucked.
@@encouraginglyauthentic43 i don’t think so, i think they’re writing his character to have this inner conflict. Maybe he’ll go evil again .o
@@lilbigplanet4170 Imagine thinking dragon ball super is anything other than cool fights and transformations.
@@encouraginglyauthentic43 just because you don’t understand/appreciate character development doesn’t mean the show doesn’t either..
@@lilbigplanet4170 No I just don't like the retconns the new broly movie made.
Kid Vegeta from the movie isn't the same as old Vegeta from DBZ.
This isn't about development, DBS as a whole is nothing compared to pre Buu Saga DBZ.
Vegeta making this Granolah arc even better, I'm loving this arc and i love the parallels between Vegeta and Granolah.
Saga you mean
@@Gogeta2501 no, he doesn’t :/
The Granolah arc is called well… just that.
We have the Saiyan Saga, The Namek Arc / Frieza Saga, the Android / Cell Saga
The Buu arc / Buu Saga
The BoG arc recap
The RoF arc / saga recap
The Future Trunks Arc / Saga / Goku Black Arc
The Universe 6 Saga / Arc, the Tournament Of Destroyers Saga / Arc
The Universal Survival Saga / The Tournament Of Power Arc
@@Gogeta2501 Arc and Saga is basically same thing.
Arc and Saga are the same thing
@@MireMiraMe
Dragon Ball Manga:
Emperor Pilaf Saga, Tournament Saga, Red Ribbon Army Saga, General Blue Saga, Commander Red Saga, Fortuneteller Baba Saga, Tien Saga, King Piccolo Saga, Piccolo Jr. Saga; Saiyan Saga, Namek Saga, Ginyu Saga, Frieza Saga, Trunks Saga, Android Saga, Imperfect Cell Saga, Perfect Cell Saga, Cell Games Saga, Great Saiyaman Saga, World Tournament Saga, Babidi Saga, Majin Buu Saga, Fusion Saga, Kid Buu Saga.
Vegeta has literally shown more love to his family than goku ever has to his own.
Truth
MY BULMAAAA
Watch Dragon Ball and all his interactions with Grandpa Gohan, then talk about how he shows love to family
@@YourBrother84 People legit forget that Grandpa Gohan existed it’s quite sad
@@YourBrother84 A kid shows love to everyone at that moment. It's like taking a good grandpa and saying that his shitty father son loves his family.
The worst beat down to his ego must've been Android 18. Imagine gaining SS1 FINALLY. Destroying everything only to get demolished and humiliated by 18
Yup
I can’t wait till they start putting this form in games. I love the splitting paths to power for each.
I’d love to see ultra ego vegeta in a potential fighterz 2. It would also be cool to see them use all the recently introduced characters in the super manga like imagine being able to play as Mérus, moro, granolah or gas. Gas could be a lot of fun to use with the way he uses his ki to create like construct weapons almost like green lantern from dc comics does in a way
@@jeremyroberts8822 heck yeah
I still think Vegeta is in an incomplete ultra ego state and until he comes to terms with what he's done he won't get a full transformation
Yeah, this feels like an Omen situation, especially with the visual similarities.
@@ganoninthepit yea the visual and the name "migatte no gokui / wagamama no gokui", i bet ultra ego follows the same logic of ultra instinct and there's a mastered version, this would explain the black hair and the mastered version will probably be purple hair
@@brunoveloz10 It is actually purple hair already according to Toyotaro's snapshot for Jump Festa
@@brunoveloz10 the current colours for that transformation are purple hair and magenta eyes.
@@J.Crime123 I'm still willing to bet that it isn't mastered, because Vegeta simply cannot maintain the mentality of te state in a similar fashion to Goku during Ultra Instinct Omen. He hasn't subverted nor embraced Destruction
I'm still calling it Super Saiyan Purple.
My favorite part of the story writing, is I feel like they are touching on every possible aspect of the saiyan race. We see a low class warrior. A prince. The primal animalistic instinct. The pure of heart. The evil/demented. And now we are witnessing the pinnacle of the race on both spectrums.
Pure of heart, UI (future angel?)
Egotistical, UE (future G.O.D?)
Honestly the overarching story is beautiful
@@HistoryandReviews end of z was honestly complete garbage, even GT had a better ending.
@@RSpracticalshooting But thanks to Super we have more context of why Goku wanted to train Uub so badly and make him his successor.
@@Mandalore_ultimate I hated how goku just up and left his family to go train uub, that was honestly stupid, hopefully super has a better ending
You can't become an angel , you have to be born as such , it is a race .
I find it funny that vegeta, a character hated by the creator of db has arguably been the only character to get development in the anime and a very intriguing and interesting development at that
I really like this idea of unique transformations. Transformations that fit into a certain character and not something anybody else can get.
Gohan- Ultimate/Mystic
Goku- Ultra Instinct
Vegeta- Ultra Ego
Yup, they all got their forms from the highest beings in Universe 7 as well.
Gohan - Ultimate(Supreme Kai)
Goku - Ultra Instinct(Angel)
Vegeta - Ultra Ego(God of Destruction)
You forgot Future Trunks with his super saipan rage.
@@8KINGKOOPA8 Nah that trash ass form we can forget about, plus my comment was about how Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan got their forms from the most important/powerful beings in the Universe.
Krillin- Ultra Death
@@syzyphyz Ngl that was funny.
Vegeta has inadvertently become more fascinating than the original main character himself lol Goku is still awesome but I constantly look forward to Vegeta finally getting his shine
Watching this makes me yearn for an ending in which Vegeta can truly laugh with Goku and friends. Not to say he can’t be serious when he fights, but he can learn to simply enjoy the way his friends are.
I find this to be truly wholesome.
I think he does, it just shows it in a very Vegeta way.
I think he's pretty close to that, now. At least in the manga, he was pretty friendly during the latter half of Super; socializing with the cast before the ToP, playing video games with them during the Trunks arc, etc.
he does but he justified doesn’t show it
Won't happen unfortunately... and the reason is quite simple. It's the same reason why he resonates d most with me. He is a narcississt. Despite his best efforts, he can't accept being (appearing) weaker than his loved ones.
One of your best vids yet bro, been a Vegeta fan since I was in elementary school. Ultra Ego is definitely something that fits him well!
yup
I understand the story driven aspect of the "ego" power branch. It's a way for Vegeta to finally get his moment to shine without taking away from Goku's own achievements. Having said that, I always found that Vegeta's edge over Goku is his practical-mindedness. I also always found that his Ego was always his downfall. So.... we shall see I guess?
I would argue he prevails due to his practicality and sharp senses but he has always been pushed and motivated by ego. It makes sense that in a dire situation, when his back is to the wall, he would to break his limits using his greatest drive.
Exactly what I thought. Whis even said that Goku doesn't think enough (which makes him rather well-attuned to UI) and Vegeta thinks too much. That's why before I learned what UE was, I'd hoped it was instead that he carefully thinks and observes, using an understanding of his opponent and his tactical experience to identify exactly what his opponent will do, together with his own plans plotting out the battle nine or ten seconds ahead. Goku responds instantaneously to any situation thanks to UI, but with this Vegeta would be completely prepared long before any situation even arrived.
Trust me vegeta is genius in battle .. its life tho not everybody can take the same route and get the same results .. vegeta problem is not necessarily his ego , the issue is for what is vegeta battle driven madmen he cant help but when he goes into battle he put himself to all these stipulations (princple,value) at the end of the day for a man like vegeta none of those things should other annihilating the opponent infront of him thats how he grew thats who he is .
Vegeta’s story is the most compelling but the most heartbreaking. That’s why I love him. He is why I love Dragon Ball. In fact, I might not care about anime or manga if it weren’t for Vegeta. He’s that important and why toying with him or his fans can be devastating.
Can’t agree more.
same
Yup
I feel the same way, I don't like watching dragon ball when Vageta gets dogged.
This is utter cap and a disgusting statement as a true dragon ball fan🤣
I love the contrast between Instinct and Ego.
A martial artist (Goku) controls his emotion in order to let his technique flow through him.
A leader (Vegeta) draws on his pride and experience to lead his people to victory.
Goku is martial artist vegeta is a warrior
Goku went with emotional instinct
Their both warriors/ protectors of earth at this point. Vegeta wants to be a leader but he isn't gonna become one
@@anonymousrhinosaurus9540 Who says he wont? H
@@Spazticspaz shows been running for 20+ years. Their not doing it. Vegeta is too prideful and that's why he can't lead. Let's his ego get in the way and that's why his ultra ego is so powerful.
Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct are probably based on Freudian's theory of Id and Ego, or more correctly it's bastardization.
Ultra Instinct is a transformation that came from unconscious thought, or unconscious movement due to Goku's inherent Saiyan's battle mindset, his genius battle instinct and his countless battle experiences.
While Ultra Ego came from the conscious thought and conscious movement of Vegeta, his pure enjoyment of battle and saiyan savagery directly increases his power. When Beerus was talking about expunging sins, he probably meant that Vegeta should stop his Super Ego (moral and principle) from holding back his Ego (conscious battle lust) in battle. Toyotaro probably named Ultra Ego as an antithesis of Goku's Ultra Instinct, and also because Vegeta is quite an egotistical person.
When they eventually fuse again, it will be a sight to behold.
The ultimate warrior, wielding the powers of both ego and instinct.
Something tells me they're incompatible
Tapping to either one of the techniques requires a opposite ways it’s like a Yin and Yang. The user’s mind should be harmonious (UI) and destructive (UE) in order to attain both forms at the same time. But it would be impossible as one of each fused has a dominant consciousness Goku for Gogeta and Vegeta for Vegito. Im pretty sure that Gogeta could tap into Ultra instinct and Vegito with the Ultra Ego, without difficulty
An Angelic Destroyer.....damn just gave myself chills
While fused imagine they go Majin Kaio Ken 1000 :o
@@jaybomb5022 theres an archangel sent by God whom will punish all of hell for eternity after Armageddon. Look him up. It is not Michael.
*I believe just like when Goku unlocked a incomplete ultra instinct form before mastered. Ultra Ego may be an incomplete form of destruction*
It has to be he even apologized to beerus for not reaching its full potential.
I mean if you can’t control the form that means it’s incomplete as vegeta couldn’t and also felt sorry to do yea no
Which should mean Ultra ego mastered would be way stronger then mui
Ultra Ego obviously lmao goku Master UI and goku MUI can’t even beat beerus as beerus can tap in to hakishan mode and incomplete UI at the same time and beerus already master UE so obviously if vegta mastsr it goku is getting smashed
@@thegodinme83 Vegeta doesnt have UI
It's interesting that they chose ultra ego as the name. If they are bringing psychology into this. The Id it's the boundless part of your persona that is impulsive and guiltless (Old Vegeta). The ego and superego are there to keep them Id in check. The difference is the superego goes into extremes to keep Id in check. Superego goes into such extremes it can become just as destructive to your persona as Id can become. It fills you with guilt and anxiety ( Vegeta between DBZ and Super) The EGO is the balance. Ego meditates the impulsiveness of your Id with the insane premeditated and calculated guilt driven aspects of your superego. It's the buffer. Ego allows you to come to terms with both aspects of your persona and choose which aspect is appropriate for the situation (New Vegeta). I love this. If you think about it, this is a vision that has been planned for his character over many seasons. Dragonball can be so deep when it wants to be.
very well said!
15:27 Geekdom giving us life advice was unexpected but it won’t go unnoticed ❤️
“Sometimes it’s ok to destroy”- this realization for vegeta reminds me of teen gohan but its just on a grander scale and more unique being that it’s a character that still allows goku to be himself and show the duality of man and how it can still work together. Great vid
His time among the earthlings had truly made him soft. Beerus had to help him temper the two sides, the brash selfish youth made him exploitable through overconfidence, his softening made him exploitable to threats and doubt. He can use that power for the right reasons
Not just that, I think a main thing that held the Saiyans back was the fact they were space pirates who typically targeted worlds of weaker species. We all know about the zenkai boost that they get when they get near death, which is why Goku could match Vegeta even though he was of low class birth, because he always challenged himself, something I don’t think many people from his home world did. It was hinted in the Bardock movie as well, the doctors were surprised with how strong he was getting and he’d come back half dead from a lot of his missions. They were born with advantages most didn’t take advantage of
What is the bardock movie called?
@@tristanburns82 Bardock Father of Goku I believe
@@reeseseater12 Thanks
Saiyan pride working against themselves. I sense a theme here, Vegeta
Vegeta allowed himself to take to much damage when he fought granola. He got drunk on that power
Curious to see how Ultra Ego fares against the Heeters compared to Granola, seeing as Vegeta definitely won’t have any guilt holding him back this fight. Maybe we can hope for a transcended form similar to Mastered UI?
He will gain eyebrows when full power will be reached
Mastered UE would be so hype
@@bardokssj imagine if you acc call it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rainbow_vader do you think this was just an "omen"?
@@miguelcardenas6825 I hope Vegeta has some dope feats with this form like how Goku was creating a giant susanoo
I think ultra ego is the best writing decision made in the entire super series
I'm glad Vegeta didn't get Ultra Instinct, when people were saying vegeta would get UI I hoped it didnt happen and instead he got something better for himself which is UE, I don't understand why everyone has to get UI we saw what happened when everyone got SSJ so why do the same thing with UI? If he would gotten UI you would have seen UI get violated even more than it already has or will be in the future so at least he has his own thing instead of following goku's footsteps 24/7.
Ui wasn’t suitable for vegeta anyone who thought he’d get ui doesn’t pay attention to the dialogue
I agree with everything you said except saying that UI has been "violated". I don't understand why some people say that unless they were expecting UI to be something that will never be beaten or take an "L". Which, tbh, I don't know why anyone would expect this from DragonBall. It's DragonBall - there will never be a form that any Z Fighter can achieve that will ever be unbeatable. The entire point of the series is for there to always be someone or something that will give all of their forms a true challenge. If there was a form that could never be defeated it would no longer be DragonBall; then it would be One Punch Man.
@@A86 y’all say so much to explain your lack of understanding of an anime you watch……
I knew he would get something similar but a more offensive version since Goku got the defensive UI so vegeta was given the offensive UE
@@HistoryandReviews bro, we get it, you're a victim of divorce court, your ex-wife took the kids and now you have to take your anger out in UA-cam comment sections. Please go eat grass or something.
Geekdom finally seeing that Vegeta has progressed massively not regressed as a character. I wonder who convinced him. He thought the ultra ego chapter with Vegeta Vs Granola was awful because at the time he didn’t understand the undertone and meaning. Behind Vegeta actions in the chapter and the chapter as a whole. Good analysis
This video is Geekdom redemption arc💀
@@si9477 trust
After reading the manga and watching your video I have a theory to propose. I guess that ultra instinct is the ultimate spirit technique, ultra ego is the ultimate mind technique and probably Broly has the secret to the ultimate body technique. I have the suspicion that all three or at least Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego can be combined to the Ultimate Technique. (Yin and Yang combined to create the Tao). Berrus is probably so advanced in Ultra Ego that hit a wall where progress is very slow so he tries to learn Ultra Instinct to combine the techniques together or to advance as a fighter. If the Ultra Ego or Ultra InstIct was the end goal of a fighter he wouldn't try to learn the other.
P.S. I don't know if anyone else has the same view as me. I didn't steal your idea great minds think alike xD.
I think they will do fusion in the future series. Ultra instinct + ultra ego and than a new power will be emerged in the form on Gogeta.
@@tijamir4998 or vegito since i think gogeta is mainly in GT and movies
@@tijamir4998 I think they’ll discover they can combine the powers with gogeta and try to achieve it themselves
Or toriyama decides they can't fuse becuase there powers are completely different now or they can only use one ultra technique to nerf them. Tbf nobody fuckin with ultra vegito outside the angels
I dig this theory, especially the part where broly has a secret instinct too. I could also see that Broly is a natural at both ego and instinct and will surpass everyone and becomethe new age ultra saiyan.
going through Therapy myself for my ptsd and learning about ego and watching Vegeta heal his own. its definitely a new experience for me personally. but a welcome one seeing things like this highlighted.
especially when broken down and explained so excellently.
thank you for the video Geekdom101
i hope things are going well for your ptsd healing. God (beerus) bless you
What do u have ptsd of?
Idk how to say that but I think u get it and hope u recover soon
@@pillow1557 I have ptsd from your mom bro, have some respect
Vegeta has more character development than anyone in the DB franchise. At this point it makes you wonder if the end of DB will be Vegeta's crowning moment. The franchise can't go on forever (at least the Vegeta/Goku show). It feels like Vegeta is eventually going to have his moment and it's going to be a big one
Goku has had enough
@@Cay9z mmhm
Forever? Anything’s possible with db lol
Lol he won't. Dragon Ball lives and dies on Goku's shoulders. The whole franchise is for him.
@@Cay9z He's the main character I don't see any of you complaining about that in any other franchise.
This is one of the best transformations since SSj 1 and SSj 4. There is meaning to the transformation. Glad to see one of my fav. characters getting one of the most badass transformations in Dragonball so far.
15:15 this right here very well said. It was the first thing i thought of when Vegeta said sorry to lord Beerus. Granolah is not the right opponent for Vegeta to unleash this full power of ultra ego on or at least not the right opponent to help him reach full power in that state. He fighting Somone who home world the sayains destroyed. In some way the guilt is there. Now if you put him against Gas if Gas proven to be too much for Granolah then maybe we get a full powered ultra ego Vegeta. Great Video.
I really wish the manga would mange to explain(similar to how geekdom did) why he couldn't go full power against granola and see vegetables go against gas with ultra ego and finally stomp a main baddies' ass, would be so satisfying(even is gas ain't the main baddie).
@@cognitivestate9512 because he just learned it… same with Goku and UI…
@@seymourbutts5941 its deeper than that though. He couldn't go full power, because he had subconscious reservations when fighting granola. To truly go full power, he needs to fight someone who pisses him off to the point that he has nothing to lose, so he can embrace that destructive side of himself again. Like, maybe if a villain destroys earth and kill his family, he will be so angry that he will embrace that darkness from his past to utilize it fully.
Glad to see Geekdom doesn’t think Vegeta has regressed anymore. You’re awesome my guy. We want more Star Wars Theory collabs.
@@HistoryandReviews Gaywars? 🤦🏻♂️ geez you’re so lame😩
Star Wars is overrated
@@masonr5677 yeah some people feel that way. To each their own right
@@HistoryandReviews corny as shit
Ego is also the synonym of Pride,
Ultra Ego/Ultra Pride
which is suits him, he is the sigil of Pride
A balance of willpower and stubbornness 🙏🏾💪🏾
Man you hit the nail on the head. Vegeta is my favorite part of dragon ball, all it's incarnations. Much love and support, and great video.
Freaky Face Mode is gonna look absolutely amazing once animated 💯
Mr. SSJ3 is one to talk about freaky faces!
@@specialnewb9821 Vegeta's face got all thin and he was drooling and veiny lmao. Super Saiyan 3 only lost his eyebrows and grew his hair out.
Dumb comparison. Y'all can't take Goku joking with Vegeta and prodding him without taking it personally.
I would love to see Vegeta acknowledge himself as the King. That would be epic af.
I don't think you're getting it right about Vegetas early life. Vegeta wasn't coddled all his life. Maybe as a child before his planet was destroyed. Most of his life he was bullied by the Ginyu force and Frieza.
Not really, frieza kinda gave Vegeta lot of importance as shown in guldo's flashback, I don't think ginyu force bullied him because frieza kinda liked Vegeta and they were scared of frieza
@@anshumanrath6703 they probably did bully him coz of the treatment he got from frieza
@@bradleydolphin1049 maybe behind his back but not sure if ginyu were brave enough to bully someone close to frieza, they could be scared to death
@@anshumanrath6703 I'll have to go back and watch it. But so was Vegeta. Didn't the Ginyu force tell Vegeta it was Frieza that destroyed his planet? Vegeta hated the Ginyu force and Frieza.
@@kevinishki no, it was dodoria that told Vegeta that frieza destroyed planet and guldo was literally ignored and bullied by Vegeta, rest members didn't really have problem with Vegeta so they treated him like a cute kid, that indeed was like bullying for Vegeta getting the cute kid treatment but not bullying in literal sense
This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done geekdom.
You broke this down like a G my guy, good work 😎👏 Vegeta will forever be my favorite character.
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I love psychology/philosophy and I love Dragon Ball. Thanks for bringing the two together and showing me how awesome Vegeta's story is and how you can apply Ego to your own life without feeling guilty, if done in the correct situation. Don't let it go to your head, but this IS the best video ever lol.
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I'm so proud of this comment, I KNOW it will at least get a heart.
Fun fact: Yin is actually the representation of negative whereas yang is the representation of positive. So it would actually be Vegeta the yin to Goku's yang.
I wonder how many insults I'm going to get for say this.
@@thedestin_alexander lmaoo
Expect a lot of "No shit" comments
If I may correct you respectfully, Yin and Yang meaning Dark/Light or Bad/Good is a Western oversimplification and bastardization of the concept. It simply means [This] and [That] working in fluid concert to maintain a balance. Any perception of the concept being aggressively & staunchly Binary is merely jus that, Perception.
@@NotAGrabbaghoul Huh. Interesting.
Tien Shin Han: Its like you are believing your own hype...
Vegeta: I AM THE HYPE!!
I'd also argue that Ultra Ego has almost nothing to do with destruction. Can Vegeta tap into destruction and apply it to his new found power? Of course, but it could also be Vegeta applying the principles of his lessons under Beerus( destroying any stray thoughts and recreating himself from scratch. Focusing only on destruction, or in this case, his love for battle) to his Super Saiyan transformations and thus Ultra Ego is born. This could just be my own headcanon, so don't mistake it to be a fact. I just think it's a nice thought and that Ultra Ego is so much more than just destruction. You touched on everything beautifully.
I respec this headcanon💯
Another parallel drawn is when Goku was still tapping into Ultra Instinct, he was still letting his thoughts dictate his actions as he was trying to tap into his power, but it was only after Goku learned to give up on his thoughts and planning and focus on just the battle that he successfully transitioned from an incomplete state to a mastered state. With Vegeta, it's similar in a way. Vegeta has lingering thoughts and guilt about his past actions, his desire to satiate and embrace his Saiyan instincts were being hindered by his guilt for his past actions and what he became from them. It was only after Beerus reminded him what being a destroyer means, and what it took to achieve such power that Vegeta is now focusing solely on reshaping himself into his purest form, a saiyan who lusts for battle. By sacrificing guilt and letting his ego and saiyan lusts take over without losing sight of who he is, he is now becoming the perfect counterpart to Goku. The other side of the coin. It's genius.
your headcanon makes more sense than "oh yea beerus uses ultra ego already and taught it to vegeta" which seems dumb asf and has ZERO evidence. when i read it first this was my thought process i don't understand how other people pull this stuff out of their asses
I figured that for Vegeta a form that was focused on offense would be coming because it made more sense for him than UI which is about primal intuition and firstly defense.
I thought ego in this context was Freudian. As the counter to Goku's ultra instinct (id) where he has no thought, Vegeta is supposed to be consumed by intention (ego).
I'm a Goku fan but even THIS video I've been looking forward to. Ultra Ego is truly fitting for Vegeta's character. I love that Vegeta is going towards the god of Destruction while Goku is going towards the path of the angels
Won't matter since end of Z still a thing
@@mikethepokemaster2012 Honestly, I'm not sure the ending of Z is cannon anymore.
@Inyourmomsass Inyourmumsass it was never confirmed to my knowledge, but as time goes on, and super's story progresses, it just seems unlikely that it's cannon anymore, although I kinda want it to be.
@@cartersmith8904 End of z is also end of super thats After Granolah saga
It said 10 years and start of super is 4 years
@@cartersmith8904 I think it'll always be canon but I can them going past end of z with the storyline
Great video. During this it had me thinking that this is an omen form. Hoping that he uses the power for good against frieza and possibly go into mastered ultra ego since he would have no guilt in destroying him
Vegeta sort of deserves to be the best. He’s grown so much as a character and overcome a lot of the trauma of his past. I think it’s about time that Toriyama sheds the plot chains off and gives him more free reign to truly be the man he’s become
Vegeta's motivations have changed significantly, he's a shining example of climbing up after a fall. People can change for the better
Another good example of Vegeta’s ego is when he transformed into his Great Ape form and was able to control it. This is similar and ties into the Majin Mark segment you covered.
I really like the way they've transformed vegeta recently. After decades, it finally feels like he is taking his own path, stepping out of Goku's shadow and now stands beside him. The yin and yang comparison is very fitting for the two.
That does makes sense..."he needs to have that ego he had prior to super" but that very thing he gave up to EVOLVE he's ego, now he needs to tap into it. He needs to forgive himself. In last.. like geekdom101 said..he needs to treat the "villains like that" using destruction on them. Had to watch the video twice to understand that point.
One of the best videos you've ever put out, Geekdom. Amazing work, enjoyed every second.
In a way these new forms are about mastering each person's biggest weaknesses. Vegeta's pride was continuously his downfall. Ultra Ego represents him mastering that pride/ego and harnessing its power to motivate him to become better.
Ultra Instinct then probably represents that Goku is often soft on his enemies and has a tough time trusting his instincts to just finish a dangerous enemy that is a threat to the universe because he assumes everyone has a kind heart like he does. Maybe that's not exactly "instinct" but then maybe these form names aren't exactly accurate to what is being represented, but these themes are deeper than words anyway so it's kind of irrelevant what they are called, what matters is what is being represented through these forms and the storytelling elements being presented by them.
Facts
goku's new ui combines some of his innate emotions with ui so that it feels as natural as super saiyan. so not exactly instinct is correct
This is the true importance of the dbs forms
Everyone complains about the colors when it’s really about how every form connects to character development
Not sure if you remember this Geekdom and everyone else, but do recall that when Vegeta did instant transmission, he mentioned that he could probably only do it "once" and lamented it was not a preferable technique for him when speaking with Goku.
This video you created Geekdom compliments that entire moment to the "T". Ki or spirit, is governed by the mind, body and spirit. Yes, fighters can learn many techniques if they wanted to, nothing is exclusive "unless genetically so like Granola's eye", but, whether or not they can effectively use it or even master it is a whole other story. Using a technique requiring a calm focus, designed to to evade or teleport, isn't combat or mentally compatible for Vegeta, hence why he could not master ultra instinct nor "keep" instant transmission within his arsenal.
Intreasting poit of view. But i was Under impression that vegeta throw away instant Transmission because he didn't like it - after all its goku move, and he didn't Train enough. Corect me if i'm wrong but manga Stated that IT was the most basic of techniques - and after all vegeta mastered Forces Spirit fission- one of the hardest and one goku could not masted. Yardratians even Stated that his Spirit is more trained than goku's. And IMO science yardratians are no Fighters at all their techniques are not meant for combat. So o don't see it as a problem of Being compatible on that case. Based on what i said Above i think that vegeta not using IT is his preference rather than limitation.
How ever i agree it is compatibility Issue when it comes to UI.
Vegeta won’t have that guilt against the Heeters, So maybe will finally see the true ultra ego come out! Geekdom, Awesome as always! Really appreciate you and your channel bro! Take care! 👍👍👍!!!
Vegeta did beat Goku on earth.
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Nahh
It just koriama let him alive cuz goke with x4 is 32k power and Vegeta were 28k and goko use his full power so vegeta should be dead cuz when Vegeta were 32k and fight frisers mans the first one die form a single blast for vegeta wheel he were 28k
So should kill him too
Another example of Vegeta’s ego is when he fought semi perfect cell. Instead of killing him when he had the power he let cell achieve his perfect form because he wanted to test out his ascended super saiyan strength (he was the 1st in the show to achieve this form) and let his ego get in the way of thinking he can’t be beat even after trucks warned him of cell’s perfect form strength and lost when he realized cell was only playing with him.
That’s kind of just a saiyan thing. Saiyans will let their opponent power up to their fullest to get a good fight. Goku did the exact same thing with Frieza
I will still never forgive him for doing that
_All Hail Vegeta: The Saiyan Prince of Egos._
Thought you said Prince of Eggs for a second
@@Cay9z 👑🥚?
At least his hairline has widened
I know Whis foreshadowed this in the beginning of DB Super but with their respective lanes, would this eventually lead to Goku and Vegeta taking on both Whis and Beerus? Like, the students versus the masters/passing of the torch?
I really don’t think Toyo and Toriyama think shit through this much. The deep thought interpretations are coincidental happenstance at best
Agreed. They’ve become really shitty ass writers.
They do indeed think about it at least for Toyo since he is a big dragon ball fan and he remember stuff unlike Toriyama (not saying he bad), he even connects some stuff to the OG like UI Goku (DBS Manga) where Goku remember about all his teacher's lesson eventually leads to achieving ultra instinct in the manga version where anime version is just coming out of nowhere.
How would this much stuff just be a coincidence tho
Great way to describe "Ego" and "Pride", not even just pertaining to this, but to life. Too many people have misunderstood and misperceived, what "Ego" truly means.
Great video!
People always complain that Vegeta never gets the win on a main villain, but Vegeta still has it better than Future Trunks. Future Trunks successful killed Frieza in the present & defeated the Androids & Cell in the future in DBZ, In DBS it was revealed that Future Trunks prevented Buu from being revived in the future by destroying Dabura & Babidi. But in the end, Zamasu, a Kai with both Immortality & a Goku's body consumed and destroyed the whole future timeline & Zeno had to be summoned to erase the future timeline to get rid of Zamasu. Everything Future Trunks did to save his timeline was all for nothing.
It wasn’t. Whis returned trunks back to his timeline before Goku Black appeared and told future Beerus to kill Zamasu so he never became a threat.
@@YaBoiDREX The future timeline was completely erased. Whis sent Future Trunks & Future Mai to a NEW timeline were Zamasu never existed
@@YaBoiDREX nope they went to a new timeline. Their original one was erased so It truly was for nothing. Whis even said trunks and mai would have to live with copies of themselves from the new timeline.
@@danr8267 It’s still not for nothing. If trunks failed to go back to the past at all then he would have never survived at all. So he did succeed just not in the way he thought he would.
It's been shown time and time again that emotion has a strong link to Saiyan power. In moments of anger Gohan exploded and proved to be stronger than both Vegeta and Goku at certain points. Vegeta displayed the same when Beerus backhanded Bulma. At the time SSJ3 Goku was leagues above what Vegeta accomplished. He couldn't even touch Beerus and was put down very easily. Yet in an explosion of anger Vegeta didn't just touch Beerus, he drew blood. When Vegeta, Goku, and Pan get angry their power scales straight up and in a fucking hurry. Goku does it too but we don't get a whole lot of examples from him like we do for the others. It's why I say Toei should show off their balls and show us what happens when ChiChi/Bulma are killed. Not just some off the screen bullshit either. Do it right in front of their husbands. Then again with where they're at now, per the end of Super, it's likely their rage alone would destroy the planet before the powering up is even finished.
Good take
Ahhhh come on this is like the folks asking for Superman or Batman to kill.
Dragonball is deep when it comes to Vegeta he has the best character arch I love the guy
That is epic. He has Unlocked something goku can't. Finally forging his own path, and it is very yin yang. Dragonball has always been the best.
I completely disagree with Ultra Ego being Vegeta's ultimate path, yes, destruction has always been Vegetas thing but that was NEVER a good thing for him because Vegetaq is like a spoiled child, he gets carried away with his reward. Ultra Ego made Vegeta look really bad by making him rabid, Vegeta is an elite warrior with skill, finesse and reputation to uphold, Ultra Ego makes him look like a bafoon
Its like ufc fighters eating others explosiviness.... Take all the damage and give it back.
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What you just described is plain old rage and bloodlust which still isn't a martial-arts skill
Can't wait to see ultra ego animated, gonna break the internet.
I remember how you said he regressed🤣. Glad you came around to understanding vegeta
I really can't wait to see Ultra Ego animated
2025 maybe
In dbs ep 122 of the T.O.P the foreshadowing of Ultra Ego Vegeta was done as Jiren mentioned that Vegeta has pride and ego, which is one of the reasons why Vegeta lacks Ultra Instinct.
I believe Goku will become an angel and Vegeta will be a g.o.d. and they'll be paired together or not...remember the angel's u.i. is a automatic and I can see Goku getting to that point and Vegeta is a gruff type of person, so being a g.o.d. really suits him.
Cool but extremely unlikely
Really solid video my man, really enjoyed it. Initially, i thought Vegeta wouldn't take the mantel on God of Destruction due to his connection with Bulma and Trunks, I didn't think he would leave that life to do this job however, after watching this, I think Vegeta would. If he continues to develop how he is, he will be the perfect candidate to takeover from Beerus (wish we knew more about how Gods of Destruction were chosen). I think once he has this Ultra Ego under control better, he would be in the perfect state to take Beerus's title. I recon we will have a scene where Beerus literally just retires so he can go and sleep as much as he likes xD
Great video. Vegeta is definitely one of my favourite characters not only because he’s often overshadowed by Goku or other main characters but he has his own epic moments like his Majin form, or my favourites when he uses his Final Flash move against Cell and Jiren, both times surprising his opponents with how powerful his attack was.
Goku bears no pressure to be the best, he makes it due to the circumstances and love he gets from the universe, whereas Vegeta is just following the path in the memory of his saiyan reign.
I feel like we're heading in to the direction of Vegeta taking Beerus' place as God Of Destruction and Goku taking Whis', or maybe even Supreme Kai's place.
so goku would magically turn into an angel or a god?
Vegeta is my favorite Anime Character of all time, I relate to him more than any other, He has reached the point where He can turn on his power Full Blast, and separate his life from outside influences when needed, instead of always carrying his Pride on the Outside all the time
Vegeta has had so much character growth in Super where as I feel Goku has been the one to backpedal. Goku has kind of become addicted to fighting to the point he doesn't really care who he puts at risk anymore.
Vegeta development
Bad guy became good guy just like piccolo, tien, beerus, Majin buu etc nothing special
I like the way you put that he doesn't care anymore, that's a really fun way to develop him further to where he kind of loses his humanity and he just separates himself from mortality and leaves. That's a really crazy Arc
@@cammodadon5097beerus isn’t a bad guy or good guy. He’s more of a anti hero
Just my 2 scents. It seems like he’s more pissed of that hes second to someone so childish. “Clown” is the most common insult and likely how he views Goku. He’ basically has implied before that he views himself as the embodiment of the warrior pride of his dead people. Goku as a Sayian completely mocks that ideal of who he is and his past suffering. His jester to his metaphorical kingdom as a prince and that drives him absolutely Insane but ironically has pushed him to his far beyond anything he could ever have accomplished without Gokus Mockery. Vegeta refusing to be humiliated. Sure the other stuff but mostly because he is a “Clown” that dominates him.
This video is a Masterpiece for the greatest written DragonBall character
Vegeta got the respect. I always thought of making my own fan vegeta manga, where Vegeta got a new form that rivaled or equaled Goku's ultra instinct.
This is the best explanation of the form yet. Hands down. Good job bro and thank you
Vegeta literally could’ve been stronger than goku by far if he trained like goku does or even before goku did. Goku trained ALOT an vegeta is literally steps away from being the same level as goku like oof
The idea that now that Vegeta has a god form that validates the way he’s been (mentally, emotionally) since childhood through adulthood which in the real world we would say “yeah he’s gonna stuck in his ways unless he has some kind of trauma or deep epiphany” but here he is STRUGGLING to maintain something that has been NATURAL?? I have to agree that’s development right there. Very interesting. I think it tells a better story then if he had transformed and crushed Granolah which is what I thought initially. So great video! Even if it has a big EGO
After hearing this I feel like they are purposely building towards a new vegito/gogeta fusion.
I feel like Vegeta and Goku are like those pokemon that start off the same but have a branch evolution😂
"Power solely derived from instinct is unbounded." This would mean that his tail is needed to reach his perfect form.
To add to the whole observation of vegeta character. When the chapter that ultra ego first came out of, there was a translation I saw that said something like, “Kakarot has autonomous ultra instinct, I have Conquering ultra ego” and truth be told the conquering part of that always stuck out to me
Modern Vegeta has become a true man; he can be considerate when the situation calls for it, but knows that sometimes you don't have the luxury of a peaceful resolution and need to be ruthless and confront things that refuse your attempts to de-escalate.
Is it just me or Vegeta becomes gentler after using UE? Like after turning off UE after its use?
Vegeta seems to have thrown away that thumb pose and "I am the Saiyan Prince", stuff.