Yamaha Xmax 300 vs Honda Forza 350
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- Which of these sporty city scooters comes out on top?
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I bought a new Yamaha xmax 300 when they were launched in England in or about June 2017.My previous was a Kawasaki Versys 1000 mk2.MY first ever scooter.I rode it from north east England to France and toured France very comfortably at an indicated 70mph(actual about 65mph).The mpg on that trip was over 90mpg average.I also rode it around the Pyrenees and northern Spain and loved it.all my luggage fitted under the seat and in a small topbox.This was the first single cylinder engined bike I have owned.It only felt busy at its highest speeds.The traction control and abs were good.Rear tyre was gone at 7500 miles the front had a little left on it.The oil change is every 4000 miles or so which is terrible but a filter and oil cost very little.Was it worth the money for me.........sure was every penny .The suspension on scooters isn't the best but I found the acceptable nothing more nothing less.MY max mileage in a day was 400 miles. After which I was tired not crippled buy one enjoy
I have ridden both for a long time. The Yamaha does indeed feel faster. When you open the throttle well, you feel a kind of kickdown. So yes if you like it then the yamaha is excellent. It has a larger tank capacity of 1.5 liters more than the Honda. However, I chose the Honda 350 because I find it more all-round. Especially when it comes to commuting or driving long distances. The height-adjustable windshield offers sufficient protection against rain and wind. The seat height is perfect for me. The saddle of the Honda is less wide than that of the Yamaha, so you can get your feet to the ground just that little bit better. The center of gravity of the Honda is slightly low in the frame, making it feel lighter than the Yamaha and therefore easier to control. The Yamaha feels heavier especially when you are going to move it on foot. The Yamaha is motorically more fun because of the feeling of more pulling power and the rumbling sound. The Honda, on the other hand, is less skin in terms of sound and feeling of pulling power. In short. For sportiness the Yamaha. For everything else and more all-round the Honda.
I think in my own opinion, It is just the feeling of more power on the yamaha because it feels more grunty ang vibraty compared to the smoothness of the honda.
I appreciate your feedback! Thanks!
Feelling is not a test i agree . Rarely you can see high and low beam test in the night.
Only one video and Forza was the winner in the night condition .
ABS is very smooth with Forza.
Xmax and ADV are the most sexy .
I order Forza 350 (white) for smooth protection rain and wind screen readability storage 5 years Warranty ...
This exactly applies to many Hondas.
The friendship comes after a while. It takes some time to understand how all-around satisfying they are.
Not that the Yamaha is bad in any way.
XMAX 300 10:5 FORZA 350 10:1An engine that has a higher compression ratio consumes less and is more efficient but heats up more and is less reliable in absolute terms
In France, the warranty with Yamaha is 2 years, the Honda has 5 Years. This dramatically increases the value of the Honda when you sell it after 3 years. I bought the Honda.
For me this is probably the biggest selling point. Both are close of quality, usability and fun. So yes 5 years of warranty is a no-brainer.
Adding to the warranty advantage. Honda also has much longer maintenance intervals! Another potentially huge advantage!
How many times have you had to use the warranty on a new Yamaha Xmax ?????
Can you say never !!!! Yamahas the best most reliable scooter !!!!
Hi, I like your style of reviews, thanks for the honesty, will you be doing any further reviews on maxi scooters, such as Burgman 400 or Honda ADV 350? Thanks again
Super good review. Clear and unbiased. Thanks
Always go with the one that's more FUN! At the end of the day a few dollars means nothing compared to the smile on your face and that feeling in your soul! Lol
You've summed it up well.
I rented both in Thailand. First the XMax, and was very impressed by how fast it was. Only downside I could find was the seat was a little too low for me (I'm 185cm tall). Next I rented a Forza and it seemed very slow for it's engine size. Much slower than the XMax. The acceleration seemed similar to a 150cc scooter. This was a big disappointment, and annoying on a day trip through the mountains where I had to choose times to pass cars as if I was driving a car. The XMax would have ripped through those mountains and passed cars like a rocket. Unless I had a bad example of a Forza, I would never consider owning one.
Thanks for this video ,
Cheers .
Great Video. I had the same decision-problem. At the end of the day i took the Forza 350 because of the better look (just my opinion). Both scooters are amazing!
You would like the Xmax better if you had one !!! Way faster and more room
Very happy with my first scooter since the sixties, a Forza 350. All it lacks is a handbrake, which proved an easy and cheap fix -- very important in the mountains. I´m sure the Yam is very good, but I didn´t need to look further than the Honda. After the (excellent) video, I´m still pleased with my choice.
If you had driven the Xmax you would have a different thought
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l Quite possibly, the Yam has better fork design I think, but I have lots of reliable Honda farm machinery and there's a Honda dealer in the pueblo, at 74 I´m not interested in the Yam´s better performance, almost everyone in Andalucia rides in shorts sandals and t shirt , one thing I had to do was disable the Bluetooth because the dealer on the coast was messing with my warning lights in an effort to get me to visit ! Enjoy your Xmax.
Test rode both, bought the Xmax. The Yammy fit me better at 6’1” and 32” inside leg. Was tempted by the Forza’s adjustable screen, but the handling on the Xmax was better, particular the cornering on British A and B roads. The Forza’s suspension is plush but felt wallowy in the twisties, and didn’t inspire me with confidence. Both great scooters, but for the kind of riding I do, the Xmax was a better fit. Plus, my Tech Max version has gold wheels!
Thanks for your feedback! I am the same size and also trying to decide between both. Unfortunately there are not many bikes left at the dealers for this season and if so, they are pretty far away. So I am trying to collect as much as possible of informations and reviews upfront, before I go for a test-ride. Which bike would you say is easier to handle in parking situations? And which would be better/more comfortable for a 100 miles motorway drive?
@@krasky Hi. I think either bike would be good for parking or motorway rides. The Forza is fine in a straight line, I just didn't think the handling was as good as the Xmax on bends. I've done more than 100 miles of motorway on the Xmax and the seat was comfortable and the screen at its highest setting was perfect for me. Good fuel economy, too.
@@NeilMullens Thanks!
Surely there is an aftermarket wind screen you can buy and fit on the Yamaha that is larger than the stock one right? I'm sure there is....as for leg room....this is what scares me from buying a scooter....I don't want to look and feel like I am on a child's bike....it's a shame they cannot design these scooters so that you can get your feet out further out front of you.....I believe a flat seat would allow you to scoot back further so that you legs are stretched out more..... I know that you can get a flat seat for the Honda PCX which makes a huge difference but I also heard that seat is harder and uncomfortable... I am 6' tall with long legs.....this is the ONLY reason I am researching the Maxi scooters.....because the Honda PCX is all anyone needs if they are just riding back and forth to the job which is not far from home and riding around town with all the lower speed limits here in the USA....then again....the interstate speed limits of 55 - 70 are speeds the PCX can easily handle and it is only a 150cc scooter.....
@@krasky There are some dealers that will ship the scooter to your home and it costs about $300....at least that is the price I have seen and heard about in Ohio/West Virginia/Pennsylvania areas....
…for me gotta be the forza just because of the adjustable screen …..makes a huge difference for commuting in all types of British weather 👍🏻
I am 1,81 and for me the adjustable screen is useless - are You smaller, then it is fine
@@CEAAJI i agree. i'm 189 cm and the stock screen was absolutely useless. purchased a givi screen but lost the ability to raise it electrically.
@@meridianmoda But otherwise a nice scooter
Any thoughts on which has the greater pillion comfort? I will be buying one or the other with a view to touring 2 up!
The Xmax has a big pillion area with big grab bars to hold on to !!!! 2 up it handles easy and for long distance does fine. You won't believe the power with 2 people aboard ....it's comfort is the best !!!
I love mine....Im 6'3" 205lbs and it helped me when I bought the 29.99 Motoforti brand wind deflecter from Amazon.....it is adjustable for your height of helmet and its like being inside of a car......NO WIND whatsoever on helmet while going 60 or 70 mph !!!!! It makes riding so peaceful with quiet helmet noise !!!!!
Good luck....you will be glad you got the 2023 Yamaha Xmax 300.....oh and the lights are bright on 2023 UNLIKE PREVIOUS YEARS PRIOR TO 2023
Cager's reviews are great. Had them both, 40000km on the Yamaha, Pirelli's or the likes a must if you want better handling and less road noise. Forza 350 12000km better all round, far lighter handling in town and the electric screen is superb. and a must. Last but not least a better looking machine. Suspension, do an upgrade if you need to.
Which Pirelli's? Thank You for the advice!
Not me Xmax rules the Honda all day long !!!!
which bike has many issue for long using ? anyone could tell me please?
USB c hubs are 5€ and you can have more staff connected same like standard 12v on Yamaha
One of these two, the Honda or the Yamaha or the Kymco Xciting 400s?!? What would you choose, they are around the same price? Thanks
Yamaha without a doubt !!!! You'll see
Did you try them both at night? What´d you say about the lightning on each bike? I heard a lot of compliant about Yamaha's poor lightning.
New light bulbs would fix that right? Of course it would.....
The Yamaha has terrible lights!! The Forza is supposed to be much better. I fixed that with some SW Motech Fog lights though, now the main beam is pretty much like a modern car headlight, very nice
I'll tell you this I have the new 2023 Xmax 300 and the new LED lights are brighter than my car .....it's a difference between night and day !!!! Why the earlier years of 2022 and earlier that Yamaha didn't change NOTHING is hard to believe ?????? I've seen those earlier years at night and they weren't as bright as a bicycle....just horrible!!! But now they are as bright as any brand of scooter ....just make sure like I did is to have the dealer move the adjustment up slightly !!!! I made them take it in the back room where it was dark to see how the adjustment was....and they needed up a little from what they were from the factory 🏭
Nice comparison, but what about size? At 185cm I found the Forza a bit small and I had to slump when riding it . Have only sat on the XMax but it felt more roomy for me.
In the end I decided to buy the Forza....750!
The XMax is roomier for taller people. Its seat is both tall and wide enough to not be ideal for shorter people. Especially not in tight, paddling maneuvers. But the more upright seating, and perhaps the softer springs, is less punishing on the lower back. Compared to the Forza 750, and any proper Maxi, they're both lower-back punishers, though.
While a bit bigger and more unwieldy in the tightest of cities, the Honda 750s are just amazing all around bikes. I got the new, lower, more scooter like, NC instead of the Forza, but they're pretty much the same bike (I got the DCT). The Forza has even better weather protection, to the point where you can commute in nice attire without much concern (for anything but safety). But makes it harder to stand up on the pegs over speed bumps... Still have the XMax, but aside from occasionally being able to park it in spots too tight for the Honda, I generally prefer the 750. Parking can also work both ways. Sometimes I can get up on curbs to park on the 750, which are tall enough to high center the Yamaha. And bigger wheels roll up taller curbs.
@@paulnorman8274 Hi Paul ! I also have a scooter. And yes it is the XMax. A real fun scooter. I got the impression that the nice channel guy liked the Yamaha.
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Nice to have so many options!.....We can't get a Forza and other models here in the USA....people here think scooters are for kids, teenagers and Women! People here buy Harley's just because they sound so good! It will be a long, long time before THIS country Wakes the Phuck up!
@@jeffquickle3793 - "They sound so good..." Now that's a debatable subject. ;-)
Anyway scooters are a symbol of maturity and practical effective thinking! I'm sorry for the spoiler. But after more than 30 years riding all sorts of motorbikes and scooters. I can definitely say that under normal daily usage. Any scooter is faster, way more practical and generally efficient than it's immediate motorbike counterpart!
And you can ride it with suit, tie and polished shoes! And arrive that meeting looking "normal".
Instead of being stamped as a "biker". While you're trying to find a place in the meeting room to leave the helmet, jacket, gloves...
Is the 750 roomier for tall people?
Would like to know the fuel economy on both bikes....
What about in comparison to the new Maxsym 400, and the new Piaggio Beverly?
YAMAHA .....those other 2 costs too much and not better than the 2023 I have !!!!
For the price I paid out the door of $6299 for my 2023 Xmax. There's no comparrasin ....neither of those have near the storage under seat nor the gas mileage .....even the comfort of ride was best on Xmax. I'm able to go 87mph GPS....even though speedometer says more like all scooters (93) ......you won't find all the pluses in those other 2 scooters you mentioned !!!!! I got mine in Nov 23 for only $6299 out the door ....it was a steal compared to the Bev, Syms, Kymcos, Hondas etc.....that's why I got the Yamee' ....and it seems to keep getting better each day I ride it !!!
Hi. Are you sure about the speed?
I asking because I want buy one of the two. As you told I know all the benefits of Forza. But I think one of them for 350 of course only is the acceleration. I saw some video clips test them side by side and at all the speed range better was forza 350. And of course for top speed is about 10 kilometre more. Xmax around 140 and forza 155.
Which is why such statements " feels more powerful" don't make much sense to me. Here applies: Only the measured numbers count! Same for braking distance, seat height, and etc.
Anything else are comments and opinions.
Why do people always worry about Top Speed? Are you going to be racing your scooter? LOL
@@jeffquickle3793 Realistically, nowhere we can drive legally more than about 130 kph, except Germany. Acceleration 30 - 70 kph (for city traffic) or 80 - 120 kph (truck overtaking) is much more important.
Cager love Yamahas...
All true
Finally someone with some good information
U didn't mentioned tracción control
Where did the man with the dog go? 2:38
Another one at 3:34
:)
How does the sym 300 fit in?
Yamaha is better in all areas. Storage. Speed. Gas mileage....feel driving ......power......plenty of room
Honda japan legend durability number1 honda lover
The 23 xmax 300 is perfect. And sold in America .
And I have the love of my life 2023 Xmax300 for $6299 out the door ....got her in Nov 2023
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l I couldn’t wait for one, 23 Suzuki Burgman 400. I already have 14k miles lol
Better trade her in for the 2023 Xmax ....you'll be glad you did after seeing the storage, the gas mileage, the top speed, the driving feel on curvy rural roads, the much easier to park in tight spaces, the easier maneuverability, need I say more .......I'm in love with my 23 Xmax and just all the things it offers for $6299 out the door I payed in Nov 23 !!!!
Wowwww
Yamaha X Max 300 has numerous accessories that I’ve added.
Does the Honda Forza 350 have accessories equal to Yammie?
How much did all your extas cost?
This video makes me sad. Had both bikes and both were stolen. :(
I had the Forza 300 and Xmax 400 and would say there was hardly any difference between them except the Forza had a few extra refinements the Xmax didn't like the electric windscreen (which btw after the first week I never touched again, just got it in a good position and left it) and slightly better MPG and little more space under the seat. Top speed and handling were very similar.
I'm going to go cry now.
How'd they steal them with no keys?
you appear to have a space time portal behind you, people keep disapearing....please dont step back, you may never be seen again. Yam wins :)
Most beutiful xmax. Most agresive look.honda have ordinary look..
Mmm.. so careful to give negative comments.. playing safe is ok
Most of the time these kind of reviews don't tell you much. You just have to drive them, both are great for different reasons. I like the Honda more, it has 5 years of warranty to begin with.
And you never have to use warranty with better built Yamaha....we hear you !!!!😂
Honda needs their warranty so it's good they have a longer warranty for their sake !!!!
Yamaha high reving sparking engine
however XMAX only has 12watt max. not recommended to charge any device other than a SINGLE smartphone.
any modern smartphone would pull more than 12 watt on fast charging mode.
Do you really need fast charging on your scooter?
@@gabkoost no.. but why not...? The alternator will put 200watt no problem....
LOL charge your phone at home at night and charge your phone at your Job! Simple!
My stahlwile tools meet regularly yamaha motorcycles and scooters,honda rarely except annualy service, so I think i said enough.
Your right Yamaha is superior !!!
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l any mechanic will tell you regarding japanese bikes 1.honda---2.kawawsaki 3.suzuki and 4th yamaha,but of course yamaha is superior.
Xmax is faster despite fewer 50cc due to its bigger compression ration 10.9 compared to 10.5 of Honda. In addition, stroke of yamaha is 76mm compared to 70 of honda
CHING CHING. YAMAHA WINS AGAIN !!!!
xmax ok for short persons; needs 15 cm more leg-foot room or a flat seat !
I know you can get a flat seat for the Honda PCX....never checked for other scooters....but the one for the PCX is hard and not very comfortable at all.....but I have long legs and am 6' tall and this is what is keeping me from a scooter right now....trying to find one that is best for tall people....don't want to look like I am riding a child's bike!!
Are you kidding ...I'm 6' 3" 205 lbs. 34" inseam and I have plenty of room on my 2023 Xmax 300 .....ride for 2 hours and it feels like I did when I started .... very, very comfortable!!!!
my hard ass says xmax for xmas:)
Same here I got mine 2023 in Nov for only $6299 out the door 🚪
La X Max 300c.c. lleva en el mercado desde abril del 2.017 y dudo que la Forza 350c.c. le supere en ventas. De precio están a la par y yo a día de hoy me quedaría la X Max con los ojos cerrados.
Dijeron lo mismo con las 125 y hoy Honda domina.
I AGREE ALL DAY LONG. XMAX #1
la forza 350 sin dudarlo.... la xmax ya cansa que te cagas
Forzas a dog 🐕 compared to 2023 Xmax 300 .....you need to ride one first !!!😮
Forza way smoother engine. Owned both. Awful riding position on yamaha
I agree with you. despite the fact that I do not have a large stature 1.77 m I find the space for the legs too tight. The part of the foot rest goes up much too perpendicular in the forward position. With the Honda you can pee your feet in 3 ways. With the Yamaha only in two ways. The Honda is more luxuriously finished. I do think that the Honda has a bit too many buttons on the handlebar side, which gives a messy impression and can sometimes cause a mistake.
I highly disagree the Yamaha is made better and rides way more comfortable .,.better gas mileage ....feels and IS faster ....corners much much better on the rural roads .....look at the cheap T-bar attached to the front steering and then look at the 4 points of build the Xmax has on its front end.....more work more metal much safer .....no comparrasin after you take off plastic middle cover and LOOK at handle bars .......HONDAS you can see without taking off nothing !!!!!
Cheaper build means cheaper prices......I don't want cheaper build
I'm flabbergasted the honda is bigger engine AND CHEAPER! Very un honda like lol
And slower and worse gas mileage and less room and much more cheaper made indeed
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l it is exactly opposite
After five years honda will be honda, but yamaha will be piece of crap 😆
You can tell you've never had a Yamaha .. .lol😅😂
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l no, but I've riden this and other yamaha bikes
I'm glad you never rode a 2023 Xmax because you would really understand !!!!
@@user-tv8ut5mr4l let's be honest, Tenere 700 is the only good Yamaha.
That's your opinion .....it doesn't get close to how reliable the 2023 Xmax 300 is !!!!! I've got one, I know !!!! Good for a lifetime if you do oil and filter changes and treat it right !!!!! Lifetime machine !!!!!