A Minecraft Cheater Just Got Majorly Exposed
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Despite the overwhelming number of examples of cheaters getting caught in Minecraft, people still continue to do it. When will they learn?
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Ok I only do it In Old GTA Games (not speedrunning )
That's what my girl said
UR NOT MY SUPEVISOR!!!!!!!!
the only thing that makes flow the worst cheater is that they shake their camera when anything happens
Never thought you'd be here
hi zylenox
lmao truee
Hello friend
@@Spamdrew128 hello spammer guy
You'd think with Karl "The Legend" Jobst doing documentaries on speedrun cheaters, they'd just stop
Honestly i would think the opposite "No publicity is bad publicity"
Ngl I'd see it as a honor: *DUDE!* I just got called out by The Legend Karl Jobst!
@@lombre9149 Exactly, how much growth did this person see when they started putting up those results? Maybe they'll lose some of it now but still its likely overall a netgain
They are manipulating Karl into giving them free publicity, gaming the system to become infamous and get those clicks
Karl said it himself in the past: They don't cheat to get faster runs, they cheat to get good runs faster. Often they are skilled enough, and feel like they deserve a better time. Short circuiting the RNG doesn't feel like cheating to them, because they feel like they deserve the run, and it's just pure RNG holding them back, something not even in their control. I'm not saying that makes it any more excusable, just, that's their thought process.
For some reason, the little Flowbee dancing at the bottom corner just pisses me off SO much
I just love that these people are so adamant that they didn't cheat only because they think their cheats are impossible to find (or no one would put in the effort to find them). You're going to a community who ritualistically and obsessively digs out every detail of a game, no matter how minute, just to shave off fractions of a second, and you expect them to *not* look at your suspicious gameplay with more than a cursory glance? I don't know if it's stupidity or arrogance that gets people to think they'll get a cheated run past real scrutiny.
Key point that cheaters should have in mind after being exposed: "admittal" is not a word.
It's a word, it's just not an officially supported word. Basically the agreement is that it's the same as an admission by definition.
This dude seriously admitted he was a cheater just because he simped for a female moderator who wasn't into guys... If that's not the most hilariously down bad thing ever, I don't know what is
But what if she was hot
@@helmutdergroe9457 insert Vsauce music
Worse than cheating is that repeating gif
Agreed
What is the stupid little animation flowbee has playing in the bottom right? Why?
11:17 not sure if it was intentional but this transition is really smooth
Why do some MC speedrunners use that head banging anime girl?
We need MORE livestreaming in speedrunning! A great portion is already streamed and not just submitted, that decreases the likelyhood of a spliced (or otherwise cheated) run. And yes, you can just replay a TAS or faked run on a livestream and even talk to the audience. In this case of cheating in Minecraft, that Makro offered the possibility to cheat. So if it just were banned and you have to show the process of opening a new world AND a few seconds of the prior run, you at least have to put more effort in hiding your faked run. In my opinion, it is more harmful to a competition that you KNOW how easy it is to cheat than just finding those cheaters.
You can livestream a prerecorded video.
What's funny to me is that splicing in audio can be fixed fairly easily in a DAW
Cheating is cringe
Agreed
15:08 The actual topic of the video aside, I really appreciate that someone uses music from an underrated game (FTL: Faster Than Light) in their video tho. I´d recognise these themes anywhere and anytime. For whoever reads this and wants to know what soundtrack it is, it´s "Colonial Explore"
It’s amazing how far people will go just to make themselves feel as if they’re better than others
LOL, I read the title of the video, and I thought it said "Minesweeper cheater." I thought, who would bother to cheat on that???
Imagine How many cheaters were never caught
Gonna be honest all I did in this video was watch the little guy dance in the corner, I was only half paying attention
Cheaters: Haha! I can do anything as long as everyone is an idiot
What happens to him because of this? Surely he's banned from ever submitting speedruns of Minecraft again, right?
No
But people wont forget what he did so he may as well stop doing these
The category’s moderators made a rule change that known cheaters are automatically disqualified from the leaderboards, unless the offense is minor and not their sole claim to fame. As neither apply to Flowbee, he is likely banned for life.
@@jellywillreturn lol my bad then I thought they don't do bans
I don't get why they do not make a "RANDOM SEED" button on the main menu that is streamable, an option solely for speed runners that destroys that seed generation after completion. Or in the case of closing down the seed and trying to re-open it again for training, would also delete the seed.
11:51 there is a reason for that to build the portal higher : the ocean. If he builded the portal lower maybe he knew it would spawn below the ocean, so he builded higher to be sure to be over the ocean, it's a set seed.
the madlad that ripped the run vod, loaded said rip into a video editor, saved audio from said rip as wav, then ported said wav to audacity. hats off my dude.
me with no knowledge of speedrunning whatsoever: ''ha what an idiot"
"it ain't crime if u don't get caught"
The way people do this smh speedrunning takes years of attempts to do and people like this makes me feel bad for the actual speedrunners
I thought this video was about online dating 💀
I’m sorry, but how can a speed running community exist for a game where literally every aspect of the game is randomized each time? Unless there is like some committee picking a handful of seeds and then the community speed runs those seeds, I don’t see how there can be any official rankings.
The little avatar thing in the bottom right pisses me off for some reason
i dont understand cheating in speedruns, its not like youre awarded with a ton of money, you just get known by a small group of people
The grossest thing is this:
He got caught cheating once, admitted the run was faked *but insisted the other runs were real*
And then it was discovered that all of those runs were fake. At that point, he had no choice but to come clean fully about his cheating.
If you come forward after getting caught once and admit everything; I am sure while you would face backlash, it would not nearly be as bad as then getting caught LYING about your other runs being faked, and having been cheating for the past few runs.
The sheer fact Flowbee had the audacity to LIE about the other runs after getting caught the first time to try and stay either popular or whatever is sickening to me. It is runners like Flowbee that get zero sympathy from me. Cheating is one thing, lying about cheating after getting caught is much worse IMO.
Coming INTO the video: How does one cheat... in Minecraft? 🤔
After the video: Why does one cheat in Minecraft? 🤔
Just be like me and don't get caught 😎
sussy
*_Hmmm..._*
COURIWAY在RSG戰役中CHEATING得到SCANDAL
Couriway in every speedrun: oh my god I'm literally cheating
just be like couriway and add 40 red arrows to every thumbnail 😎
As much as I deplore cheating, I always like that every time there is a cheating scandal, it generates lots of informational videos made by experts in the speedrunning field that are interesting to watch and learn from as a non-speedrunner.
same here and also i learn new stuff as well about how to play minecraft haha
Agreed, its really cool seeing how well they know how a game functions. I would bet they know the game better than the devs themselves.
Haha especially since he always tries to mediate and tell off douchebags who act like theyre convinced someone is guilty and harrass them
@@melissaq8854 to be fair, other than this speedrun vanilla Minecraft is insanely hollow and dull..but with FTB/tekkit modpacks it really becomes a great game, machines/reactors/tools/airships/space stations/moon and mars bases/laser mining, auto-builders, elevators, half-wall covers for wiring, 3x3 mining hammers, storage banks for items.. all the good stuff haha..default is just what, pigs and potions.
Watch a classic yogscast mod series to see the real potential of the game
@@BeowulfNorther That is the stupidest take on Minecraft ever. Sure mods make the game more expansive but vanilla Minecraft is not dull. It’s more than just “pigs and potions”. And it would be extremely difficult to add all this stuff to vanilla Minecraft. Modding is much easier than developing a game that millions of people play. You have to make sure it works on both bedrock and Java. You have to make sure the game has as few bugs as possible. Plus all that stuff you mentioned would ruin the feel of Minecraft.
"we all know what it's like to feel and display emotions. right, fellow humans?"
Correct fellow human. After deciphering your comment, the contraction and flexing of muscles around the sides of my mouth and eyes into what is known as a “smile” confirms that I have this ability.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
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😐
You are indeed correct. I felt and subsequently displayed numerous emotions earlier today, in fact.
Hello you absolute legend.
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Hey gunman!
uwu
G’day gunman!!
That’s what my mom said to me today because I have no friends
Oh, where have I heard it before:
"I'm not cheating."
"Ok, I cheated this run that was found out, but only this one, all of my other runs are legit."
"Ok, you got me, I cheated everything."
I scrolled down to upvote this comment so I didn't have to write it.
This is why i think all runs should be removed for a player on the leaderboard if one run is found to be cheated regardless of weather there is proof or not.
@@lightyagami3492 but then when that happens the runners can throw a fit and have their fans send death threats to the mods for a year like Dream
@@fort809 Bro death threats on the internet mean nothing unless someone actually pulls up. You just call them a 10 year old and watch them block you faster than you can post the trolololo link.
@Just_Max when your fanbase is literal children and you're practically a deity in their eyes, yeah, it isn't hard to control a large group of people.
Remember, all of this could be avoided if he'd set the category to Set Seed.
but thats less impressive
@@hanahsbsjshcsh5356 how
@@hanahsbsjshcsh5356 More like he'd have to compete with his peers on an equal level and would fade into mediocrity.
@@hanahsbsjshcsh5356 technically its a different mechanic and type of impressive. All your strats would form around the seed, not the seed conforming to you.
@@AJIsUnbreakable Karl went over it in this video. Your ability to analyze the game in the random seed glitchless category is your most important skill. Set seed glitchless is more comparable to many other games. In set seed you are simply repeating the same exact actions over and over attempting to do every single movement perfectly.
His sub 15 minute times are pretty terrible when compared to the sub 2 minutes of the top set seed speedrun.
"The world that Flowbee is playing in is not ideal."
I know that feeling.
This world's a lemon. We're all Lemon Inspectors.
Most people feel that. Unfortunately we can't reset life.
@@sunbeames1847 in real life, theres no rollback.
@@sunbeames1847 we just have to Continue and forge our own good paths.
You win a prize for best comment of the decade right here
Literally right before Karl joked about how robotic and unemotional his delivery is, I was thinking "Damn, Karl's delivery has gotten better, he sounds more natural than in previous videos."
I like the delivery being unemotional tbh, makes it feel more objective. I do agree he sounds more natural too
Lol
@@uranium54321 Yeah, it feels like a professional reporter or analyst.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 This might be why he's my favourite speedrun commentary channel.
Also, you really should have included that the reason he gave in his initial apology was that he wanted to impress one of the moderators that he had a crush on. Said moderator is not only taken, but is a lesbian.
lmao
This is under so many levels of Ls that I find it hard to count them.
Even if he managed to do something impressive legitimately, like, what then? Did he expect the girl to just see him romantically all of a sudden, even if she wasn't a lesbian?
@@anecro Speaking as a guy, we sometimes do incredibly stupid shit just for attention or some misguided venture. He probably didn't even have a plan. Just figured if he get world records I can somehow get my foot in the door and things will work out.
@@crushycrawfishy1765 Well I find it weird he wouldn't at least process something like this since it's happening on the Internet. You'd think guys like this would at least think things over in here.
As a guy, it's bizarre he jumped on speedrunning for someone he didn't know anything about. I guess it shows dedication if anything
@@anecro - I agree with you, but to clarify, he actually didn’t start speedrunning as a whole for one girl. It’s just the reason he gave for his first initial run that was caught. That was the one where he apologized for the fake leaving the nether WR, but insisted that his other runs were legit. The entire context is that he was apparently on call with her, she left to get toast, and in that time he found a really good seed and then accidentally threw it. When she got back he lied to her and told her that he didn’t get enough pearls because he didn’t want to look stupid. She asked if he was gonna upload it anyways, and at that point he decided to fully commit to the lie to impress her. Her side of the convo was also confirmed by her, so he’s not making anything up here. He’s just dumb as hell.
In his newest apology for all of his runs (sans an 11 minute run that he insists is real but says he won’t verify), this is the reason he gives:
“My reasoning for cheating these runs is quite long, and it involves a lot of personal/IRL reasons that I rather not get into. I'm open to talk about it in DMs with some people and I am open to anyone that wants to interview me/ask questions, but the IRL/personal reasons will not be answered in these interviews/questions.”
“Let me cheat to impress a girl… who already has a girlfriend.” Most gamer logic of the century
Lol. LMAO even. What a nerd.
*Incelc Logic
So a gay girl?
*Unsure of ptm but I've got it.
Doing something stupid to try and win over a girl... who happens to be lesbian? Sounds like what happened to the guy who shot Reagan.
@@polygontower a lesbian ptm - although top comment got me unsure if I was too tired for my own good
Let's all thank that one Blaze for moving out of position in the Nether Fortress, so they got caught
wsp
Thank you mr blaze, for you unending efforts towards catching cheaters, and making the ultimate sacrifice so that we can complete the game.
That Blaze knew what it was doing lol
I guess it aroused initial suspicion, but catching the macro and splice was what really did him in. With the times he was getting and the lack of history he had at the pace he was making, it was only a matter of time before someone did the actual digging.
doesn't really matter, there was a whole bunch of things arousing suspicion which all would have led to the same hard evidence eventually
Glad Karl got back to his minecraft content, I was worried this was turning into a speed running channel
Lmao I remember that
lol
Okayeg
@@kidwithucamera it's a joke from Karl's dream cheat video
@@kidwithucamera itsajoke
Man, I wish "impressing a girl by being good at a video game" was even a plausible strat when I was that young.
Not just a girl, mind you, but a lesbian who already has a girlfriend. Guy took so much L the IRS might gonna tax those Ls too
He didn't want to impress her by being good, he only admitted to doing it to impress her
Same
It's true though, if Super Nintendo or older was part of your childhood, nobody in your age group gave a fuck if you could beat Resident Evil 1 in under an hour, complete Megaman X without taking any damage, or have an 8.0 Kill/death ratio in CS 1.6 aside from the nerds. If anything, people would pick on you for it. It's not fair.
I mean, it worked in The Wizard, so..
I love the speed running community. Willing to stare at audio files and lines of code to find that one anomaly out of hundreds of thrushes because a run “felt too good to be true” The amount of respect I have is immeasurable
It's actually good because they claim for it to be "real" but when they get exposed by millions of youtubers, they wanna admit it lmao
That's the thing about "too good to be true." Generally it is, and they know it.
@@Necrocancerr Start off with you first since using Dead Meme
I love the speed running community. Willing to stare at audio files and lines of code to find that one anomaly out of hundreds of thrushes because a run “felt too good to be true” The amount of respect I have immeasurable
Flowbee: "I was just trying to live the Dream"
I see what you did there.
Or as him
This one right here, boys. We found the best comment.
Best comment
Amazing
Guy really said he choked a run then tried to cover it up with a world record
he choked? his lungs are just fine.
@@ImEmilyy__ that has a girlfriend.
@@Sir_Isaac_Newton_ good one
@AethernalVoid Pretty sure it's a joke
@AethernalVoid They’re obviously joking.
The fact that he did all that "for a girl" that actually had a girlfriend is fucking funny
Edit: my inbox will never be the same
Big F on his part.
Lol my man was simping *hard*
If Chris Chan did speedruns.
Girlfriend? F
Lmaoo
It’s never a genuine apology of “I shouldn’t have done that” it’s always an apology of “I’m sorry I got caught”
It's never a genuine apology of “I shouldn't have done that” it's always an apology of "I'm sorry l got caught”
It’s never a genuine apology of “I shouldn’t have done that” it’s always an apology of “I’m sorry I got caught”
It’s never a genuine apology of “I shouldn’t have done that” it’s always an apology of “I’m sorry I got caught”
It’s never a genuine apology of “I shouldn’t have done that” it’s always an apology of “I’m sorry I got caught”
Combo breaker
Karl: Hello you absolute legends
Cheaters: *sweat profusely*
Karl: "Today we'll be diving into the weird and wonderful world of fake speedruns."
Cheaters: "uh oh."
Cheaters are not legends and do not go to leaderboard heaven. That's the most scathing thing imho. I think I could live with being a criminal, but not if I am not a legend anymore.
"it aligns perfectly with the robotic, unemotional delivery of my videos" I'm crying Karl, CRYING!
He said in a robotic, unemotional delivery XD
This might be the most self-aware thing I've heard in a while and I am absolutely here for it. What a legend.
Your dedication to protecting the integrity of speedrunning is nothing short of invaluable. It seems like the more people who get in to speedrunning, the more we end up coming across cheaters
Jobst is such a cool dude
It doesn't seem like it, it just is. More people means more of everything, so also cheaters of course... Common sense, use it, if the speedrunners watching this did they should have INSTANTLY know this kid was cheating from the fact that he straight up digs up 1 block next to a chest EVERY SINGLE TIME. People be dumb or what.
@@thealarm7057 Buddy its a fucking strategy called mapless treasure...
Atleast give me hate for shit that doesnt make sense, not the shit that isnt weird
I mean, that's just statistics. A great example would be several years ago when people were comparing Westboro Baptist Church to ISIS. Someone took offense and noted that WBC wasn't killing people, and the response was that if WBC had the numbers that ISIS had (~30,000) that we would probably see domestic terrorism from them. If 1% of the speedrunning community cheats, we'll logically have 1 more cheater for every 100 runners that throw their hat into the ring.
@@dotRianne Yo, what you did was wrong, but I don't hate you or anything.
6:20 "It's hard to fake genuine reactions to events you already know are going to happen" somehow this quote fits so well with the footage of Flow bee breaking that block and letting the piglin fall to its death
6:20 "It's hard to fake genuine reactions to events you already know are going to happen" somehow this quote fits so well with the footage of Flow bee breaking that block and letting the piglin fall to its death
6:20 "It's hard to fake genuine reactions to events you already know are going to happen" somehow this quote fits so well with the footage of Flow bee breaking that block and letting the piglin fall to its death
6:20 "It's hard to fake genuine reactions to events you already know are going to happen" somehow this quote fits so well with the footage of Flow bee breaking that block and letting the piglin fall to its death
6:20 "It's hard to fake genuine reactions to events you already know are going to happen" somehow this quote fits so well with the footage of Flow bee breaking that block and letting the piglin fall to its death
I'm ruining this comment chain for sure
“And I will see you in the next video”
FlowBee: “oh crap, he was serious”
underrated comment
This one
@@jagg.h hahah! Awesome. Well done.
The Mech Arena Sponsor mention has such as a great line: " It aligns perfectly with the robotic, unemotional delivery of my videos." Bravo Karl
Glad to see someone else appreciating that line. Seems most people completely skipped over it, which is a shame.
Such funny one i thought many would point out XD
But i still don't need to make that comment, cuz here it is :D
mech arena seems like a clone of war robots
I often put these videos on to go to sleep, but this line cracks me up every time.
Me when there's an ad: ⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩
In case anyone doesn't know, there is a set seed category in Minecraft speedrun, where you can freely practice the same world over and over
"yea but it's more impressive to get a world record on a "random seed""
which gives us these people
Yeah but the WR on set seed is like 2 minute lol
yeah but practicing a seed requires you to be mechanically good at the game
Out of curiosity, does anyone do "bad seed" runs, or otherwise pick out particular seeds (other than "optimal known seed") for different flavors of run? Or maybe have multiple runners race the same, unknown seed?
Yeah, it seems to me that all he had to do was not claim his runs were blind, and his times would stand, because there was otherwise no actual cheating in game, and video edit was to remove the two frames that showed him setting his seed.
The portal location choices were really bananas. I can imagine running a bit before placing the portal so that you're at a better distance for the stronghold, so not placing it immediately isn't too suspicious. But climbing back up onto the fortress? He really couldn't ad lib at that point?
With most cheaters it's almost embarrassing how little thought they put into it. The only way this guy gets caught is if he does something super weird, so if something goes terribly wrong all you have to do is accept it, maybe play it out for real, maybe just reset no worries. Same with Dream, no one cares about getting lucky once, but leaving on your drop rate boosts for hours of stream time means there is a lot of data letting them get caught. I don't really understand how these people who come up with such clever cheating methods can be so stupid when it comes down to it
@@andrewpark78 I mean the fact these people think they need to cheat in the first place in a block game means that they’re not very clever in the first place. No results = desperation = stupid actions -> getting caught
@@qxarts3896 simplifying cheating by saying it like "block game" is disingenuous. Cheating = results way faster = more content = money.
@@andrewpark78 That's cause dream didn't try to cheat. Karl did a video where he goes over this. I would highly recommend watching it.
@@sebastianlucas704 “oh I accidentally deleted my cheat client that does exactly what I was accused of down to the exact number and instead of saying oh yeah that must’ve been on I instead had my fans send death threats to my accusers and called them clout chasers. I also deleted anything that could have been used as evidence and hired a statistician that ALSO concluded I probably cheated because of how blatant it was”. If you think it wasn’t intentional you aren’t very smart
Always love how a cheater gets caught for one run, says others are still legit only to have those runs really investigated and then having to confess again a few days later
When else did this happen?
@@coconoisette A LOT, I'll say that much. Several examples can be found on this very channel, such as that Guitar Hero cheater (who used incorrect speeds when trying to cover himself up).
Always love how a cheater gets caught for one run, says others are still legit only to have those runs really investigated and then having to confess again a few days later
I'm always fascinated by that perfect intersection between being clever enough to do something manipulative but then being a fucking idiot and not thinking one more step ahead about how it's gonna look. I love these people.
Idk, just imagine how many cheaters there are who go uncaught. Imagine, would flowbee have been caught if he made the times he achieved less extreme and acted a bit better?
@@Aethenthebored but how long will it take
I think it was a old Mario video on this channel where the guy only got caught because he bragged about his old record from like 15 years prior, so they they verified it, and it was spliced.
@@IrvineTheHunter Minecraft speedrunning community is pretty huge. And if you get a top time, it is expected that run is going to get heavily looked at due to the growing skepticism made by the many cheated runs. Because there are so many variables that go into a Minecraft run, it's a great thing to know that there are a ton of skeptical people who are going to examine runs from top to bottom to make sure the integrity of legit top times is intact.
@@IrvineTheHunter I saw that very comment you are talking about LMFAOOO
If I were a speed runner I wouldn't cheat just for the fear of ending up having my mind pulled apart and robotically analyzed by Karl Jobst.
LOL
You dont sound robotic karl, you're just extremely well spoken. You're doing a great job mate.
Na he definitely sounds robotic
@@jamesmulloy9870 Actually, he kind of reminds me of the guy from Dateline. In a way, I guess he kind of is the Dateline of video game cheating.
He does sounds robotic but that what draws me and probably others.
He sounds like a rlly good text to speech voice
He has to talk for extremely long periods, it's not easy to sound exciting
Oh no, it happened again!
I spent another 15 minutes learning about the minute details of a game I don't even play or is particularly interested in.
All because Karl is so darn likable and interesting.
You make his content creating skills sound like a bad thing
Doesn't sound like that to me. First sentence is sarcastic.
I did the same thing. I dislike minecraft but he made this so interesting that it outweighed .y dislike for the game and now i have useless info about it in my head but worth the entertainment and that fkr getting busted.
Watch wirtual
@@gigachaddius4444 I installed trackmania because of him
Oh no, it happened again!
I spent another 15 minutes learning about the minute details of a game I don't even play or is particularly interested in.
All because Karl is so darn likable and interesting.
he's being really blatant when you break it down, but I'd never be able to notice any of this myself lmfao.
I would've noticed in 1 second from their weebery.
I’m not too familiar with Minecraft speed run techniques, but I’ve played the game for years. Building the portal in lava would have made me suspicious and it spitting him out right next to a stronghold would have been a pretty big red flag. I wouldn’t be able to prove it, but I would start asking questions at that point.
shut up you play league of legends
@@temporaryyoutube2062 at least he is not pretending to be a girl
he's being really blatant when you break it down, but I'd never be able to notice any of this myself lmfao.
It is my personal belief the dancing gif at the side of the screen was placed to distract people
It worked on me ngl
Flowbee isnt sorry. If he was sorry he would: 1. Not do it and 2. Admit to everything the first time he got called out
The only feeling of sorrow is the fact that they got caught.
He's not sorry he did it, he's sorry he got caught
Its because he's a fraud lol
hes sorry he got caught lol
I mean, that's a thing people do. The natural response for people typically when they get caught doing something wrong is to try and salvage everything they can from the situation, which while understandable, should probably be a behavior that's more commonly taught against while people are still children.
The head bob gif in the bottom right pisses me off so much fr
Agreed.
Genuinely think he changed his channel name/OC to try and make himself more appealing to that lesbian girl he was trying so hard to impress. From edgelord in the making Toxic Flow to a de-fanged, cutesy Flowbee? Helluva genre hop
I think they should just make a “cheated” category.
do you mean have a category where you enter in a cheated speedrun and the goal is to make it the hardest to detect? I like that idea. Then someone can enter in a legitimate speedrun, making it truly impossible to detect, which would be cheating.
@@alexbrand4284the cheater’s paradox
I think they should just make a “cheated” category.
TAS? With slowed time and rng manipulation
Cheating % since speedrunners love using percentage where it doesn’t apply and makes no sense
When Karl said “the badabun speed run brings a tear to me eye” I literally lost it
damn I hate those guys
well then find it
@@monomateit took a year, but I found it
@@YesIAmDavid i'm proud
The saddest part about people splicing runs together is that it gives a really bad reputation to anyone doing a segmented speedrun even if they are clearly marking it as segmented providing a lot of evidence showing that it is meant to be a segmented speedrun and not even trying to say it's all one segmented.
I remember seeing examples of when someone could do a proper segmented run provide all the info about when each segment was done how it was done list it as a segmented run know it wasn't going to be accepted to the leaderboard but still at the very least assemble it into one video so people can view it
But considering the amount of times people want to use that to cheat now people tend to stay away from even doing segmented style speedruns even if it is for practice sometimes.
I personally think that the decline in popularity for segmented runs has more to do with single segment runs being seen as more skillful because it's all done consecutively.
@@eyeballqueenofrats Valid point, I'll say that segmented runs are a great way to practice some longer speedruns before doing them in a single segment.
I mean would you want to practice anything that's over 5 hours in one go just to practice the later parts of the run or practice them them in segments. Longer runs are worth practicing in segments since you can set up different saves to represent the different ways you might get to a particular part in a single segment run.
The only way to legitimize any speedrun in general is to create an entirely new category for just one run.
@@ValkyRiver
"Entirely new category" is too vague when it comes to a game like Minecraft, so no, that is NOT the only way to legitimize any speedrun.
@@ValkyRiver are u having fun spamming, lil TImmy?
Sometimes i don’t understand why you’d say some cheated runs are actually legit when you confess about one particular run, like everyone is now reeeaaally suspicious of those now so at that you might as well admit it all.
...not that it fully matters since all runs you submitted are terminated if you’re caught cheating, but still.
The only respectable thing to do is to say "Yes, I am a cheater. I am sorry. Goodbye." and leave the community.
If it truly is a one-off, maybe you can redeem yourself, but if you've got a history of submitting faked runs just give up, dude, it's over.
people make money off speedrunning nowadays, they say shit like that hoping their fans believe them, not to think its actually believable
@@zackestin1368 Yep. It's all about salvaging some of their reputation and the belief that if they're honest about the one they cheated on then others will think they're being honest about the ones that were "legit".
It's logic I used to see all the time in middle/high school. Funny seeing it so much in the adult world these days.
Newsflash, coming clean _after_ you're caught always just makes you look hella suspicious. Just as denying everything in the face of evidence makes you look super sus. When you're in that situation, you're fucked. Hence the old cheaters adage of "don't get caught"
The best you can hope for in such situations is mercy. But mercy is often not what these people are after, they're trying to get credibility. It's children's logic.
Desperation and a tiny bit of hope that the matter will be forgotten
Post-truth society. Lie often enough and baldfacedly enough and people stop being able to distinguish between reality and fiction. It's like trying a Bluff check against an enemy army. _Some_ of those soldiers are going to roll a natural 1 if you tell them you don't exist. Do it often enough and you'll have racked up so many critical failures on your side that the sane people will start to wonder if _they_ aren't the ones who are wrong.
Weaponized gaslighting.
His looping stream chibi anime gif is enough to drive me insane.
I'm literally watching this right now with a minimized window covering it
@@stardestroyer81 I put a sticky note over it lol
I've seen three streamers with that same loop why do they do that
I find these stories so fascinating. Even though the subject matter is unimportant, comparatively speaking, it’s still so cool to see a community use real detective skills and tools to expose cheating.
formally known as "toxicflow" should have been a red flag right there
🙄
disagreed
I guess by that logic im considered an asshole?
can agree, if someone has "toxic" in their name, their entire body is a red flag
@@toxicdemon5426 probably (thisisajokepleasedontkillme)
Going frame by frame during the clicking section shows that the "Data Packs" option is highlighted for one frame, just before the extra clicks and the world loading. Conveniently, that option is RIGHT ABOVE the "More World Options" button where, as mentioned in the video, is where a selected seed can be inputted.
The two categories are:
Ones an idiot like me can spot : Ones that need Karl.
😂
Karl is more like the announcer, he's not the one that caught them. That work is usually done by the game's community, as is the case here
Yup Karl doesn't Speedrun most of these games but he speaks with those that do and gets an understanding to show it for casual viewers. He's really good. And I am glad I found him learned a lot about soeedrunning communities
@@BigDBrian anyways we cannot deny that he does an amazing job announcing all of these kind of stuff, putting it simple and entertaining for casual viewers
Light the Karl-Signal!
It’s disappointing seeing when someone cheats or fakes runs… Especially if they are valued/trusted in that community 😔
@Gavin Tran Yeah sure.
@Gavin Tran Literally admitted to cheating himself doofus.
@@jonsmith5058 i think he meant sarcasm because he wrote flow pee p is no where near b so it probably is not a typo
Flow Bee didn't cheat. I am one of his trusted friends, he didn't cheat. I saw the run with my own eyes.
@Gavin Tran yes
Shame on the cheaters, but it sure is fun hearing about the ways people catch them.
but, can we talk about the leaderboards themselves allowing the goddamn hitbox highlighting and all that crazy f3 nonsense including whatever that pie-chart thing is in runs?!! wtf! how is that not cheating? it is literally a rule that WAS on the leaderboard requirements just a few years ago. you could not use any f3 nonsense. at all, full stop, not one frame of f3 info could apear on screen or your run WAS invalid. now they let you do the entire run using it.
@@tommytomthms5 it is what it is
@@tommytomthms5 Pretty sure it's harder to do simpler cheats with the f3 information displayed. Not sure about the wireframes tbh, but if the community decided they wanted this stuff allowed, then they wanted it allowed. That's the nice thing about the speedrunning communities, they get to decide their own rules.
All the videos proving dream cheated were some of the most entertaining videos I've ever watched
@@tommytomthms5 i dont think it can be considered cheating since it is a feature after all. Not even a bug or glitch it is an _intentional_ feature. If you don't like f3 then don't use it but dont force other people to not use it lol. You have world record without f3? Impressive! But don't force other people to stop using f3.
God I hate that gif In the corner of flowbee’s streams
"Even though we all know what it's like to feel and display emotions"
That's a rather bold assumption you're making there.
He always calls his fans legends but nobody calls him a legend. I personally now want to call you, Karl Jobst, an absolute legend for making these videos and generally being an awesome person.
Underrated comment.
Many can simply call someone else a legend. Karl is a man who calls you a legend and suddenly you feel your day improve. You **feel** like a legend.
I would like to apologise on behalf of all bees for this guy
Ppl with a monotone voice having the most fun voice overs and god-level humour instantly become my favourite...
It’s a completely different field but if you have any interest in finance/stock market, then Patrick Boyle is a master at this kind of humor
Madseason show one of the goats
Sseth
monotone voice = moist critikal
then you must find Steve Burke of Gamers Nexus equally favorable.
At least I do. Especially if he does videos about exploding power supplies. Or weird intel presentations. Or cases which ship with PCIe riser cables which are practically a timebomb.
AS a legend himself said. Speedrunners dont cheat to get a faster time, they often cheat to get a better time faster.
That is applicable to people that are actually good, Flowbee has terrible mechanics and its obvious even to people like me that dont run the game. He looks incredibly slow with his aim and makes a ton of sloppy mistakes
Stop trying to justify it, it's cheating and bad sportsmanship and pretty deplorable, cheating in a game lol
@@phutureproof ...he isn't? he just quoted karl on *why* people cheat to begin with.
FlowBee isn’t good enough for that quote to apply lmao
@@phutureproof
I think you should probably have a good, long think on what he's quoting actually means, because I'm positive you don't understand.
Your reply doesn't make sense.
The thing about the 2 extra clicks in the macro just amazes me, love that there's experts who can pick up on these subtleties, really incredible stuff. So pathetic that he still tried to claim his other runs were valid after he was caught the first time. Some people are so sad. You have achieved absolutely nothing if you cheat to gain it, you can never truly be the best, no matter what it may say on a leaderboard, surprised these people don't seem to grasp or care about that.
The fact he just gave the logs is hilarious
I mean it was either give the logs and be found out or not which would then bring up the question of 'if you're not cheating then you giving the logs should be fine right?" Either way His run'd probably be invalid.
He probably wouldn't even admit it if he hadn't been exposed lol
@@RaxusXeronos "Sorry I had to reinstall minecraft/windows/..."
Presumably he didn't know the seeds are in the log, otherwise he could just change the seeds for the previous runs.
@@JakubMareda You'd think a cheater would at least open the file in notepad and search if the seed appears before sending it
I don't get speedrun cheaters.
Community: "This run is cheated."
Cheater: "True, but everything else is legit."
You KNOW they're going to start digging into those. Admit to it outright and your punishment might not be as severe and most will probably forgive you over time
eh, i'm sure it worked for someone at some point. it really just depends on how well you cheated. flowbee missed a few critical steps :P
They can be pathological liers, in that case they just cannot get out of their own web of lies, even is they get caught, they just make bigger webs and believe it will hold. And many times it will hold, if not checked by very strict ways or such, sometimes even then they will get defenders that will even take the blame if possible.
Or just they know that it is their income, if they admit everything was a lie, they may lose all of their income, so they hope they can keep some part of it.
Their logic is probably that there's nothing to lose at that point. People already think they're a cheater and liar, so why not at least see if you can get away with some of it? They might as well roll the die.
There's that one guy who got talked cheating in other games, but everyone decided he didn't cheat in in this latest game, as they couldn't find any evidence he cheated (even though he wouldn't do as they asked and show the direct connection of the console to the TV).
I'm not saying he did cheat, but it shows that judges are willing to consider the idea you didn't cheat, even if they catch you cheating in other runs. You've already been outed as as liar and cheater, so the worse case is that you'll be outed as even more of a liar and cheater. But the best case is that one of your cheated runs sneaks by.
It's a low chance, but not 0%.
Why would there be anything wrong with cheating? It's only a game, and if you find out, what about it? Your ego must by pretty high to think people give a shit about your forgiveness.
@@KevinLGlory ask any who caught doping if the it is only a game defense ever worked? Nobody cares if you cheat on your own game, everyone is annoyed, pissed or even angry if you cheat on an online game, multiplayer game or speedrun or similar. it is no longer just a game, it is other peoples fun too or even something more.
"I really like the mechanized style; It aligns perfectly with the robotic, unemotional delivery of my videos"
I'm rolling
4:53: “players have to spend time learning theories, learning flawed concepts, memorizing mathematical formulas, and cultivating their spatial awareness” is not what I expected to hear in a Minecraft speed run video
I'm going to cheat on a speed run just so I can be busted by Karl Jobst.
I reckon that would make me an absolute legend
List of absolute legends:
1: Karl Jobst
2: His viewers
but what if Billy Mitchell is a viewer??? :0
@@M0D776 he's still a legend... just not in the right way
Please cover the Warzone "content creator" cheating epidemic. MOST of the big content creators in the warzone community are using aimbot or radar, or both. It's absolutely insane. Activision is making literally billions of dollars due to the content creators blatantly advertising their in game products, and the streamers are making millions by cheating at the game. It should be a MASSIVE scandal considering the amount of money that's being thrown around.
That's a lost cause tbh, they can go fuck themselves and nobody would've cared, Karl's videos are focusing on cheating that are done within the realm of speedrunning and Warzone are just a whole different ballpark to dip his balls in
Not speedrunning, Karl's channel isnt focused on cheaters but to speed running.
Isn't Warzone also, like, f2p and effortless to restart an account?
@@Noxerpunk It's turning into a massive industry - activision is literally making billions of dollars using these "content creators" as advertisements for their game - showcasing new skins and weapons blatantly in their gameplay footage. It should be an absolutely MASSIVE scandal. Strange you say that considering Karl is coving a market manipulation topic that has nothing to do with speedrunning, no? The COD streamers themselves are making MILLIONS from their child fanbases by literally cheating and defrauding their viewers into the illusion that they're actually THAT skilled at the game. Anyone who's played a competitive FPS game for longer than a week knows that these guys are using assistance to "up" their gameplay. It's beyond obvious.
@@admiraltonydawning3847 Yes
Man, if I was a cheater the moment people started suspecting me I'd confess, apologise, and fake my own death.
These cheaters have nerves of steel. Almost admirable if it wasn't in service of something so shitty.
Tbf if you are willing to cheat apologizing is pretty darn hard
@@kaiji4788 Nah it's really not that hard in my opinion, Them admitting to their mistakes is actually better than covering up something that obviously people will suspect
Who gives a shit its just a video game
@@dukenukeman Cheater spotted
i'm not a cheater but faking your own death is VERY extreme for a cheated minecraft speedrun lmao
I hate that stupid thing in the corner
Fun fact:FlowBee faked his runs bcs he saw a girl called "Crystal" online and he tried to impress the girl by making these runs. However FlowBee later realised that the girl was in a relationship,meaning that he faked the speedruns for nothing and ruining his career forever
Yeah, that's why speedrun community is probably worst than the whole Twitter and Geometry Dash together.
@@EO-rx8jq what did I do to you
That’s just pathetic
the anime gif of a girl with a bee hat having a seizure at the corner of the screen is more irritating than the cheating
Doesn't Feinberg Use That GIF Too?
Have to agree with you there.
Ah, I was just thinking about how I don't have anything to do, and this ABSOLUTE LEGEND uploads! Perfect timing Karl, always a pleasure to see a new video of yours in my subbox!
Easy likes
same here actually XD
Imagine an April 1st video where he just greets us with a "Hello." 😭
Imagine he changes his channel name to 'Jarl Kobst' for April 1st.
"Hello, you pieces of garbage."
@@MrPicklecopter Now that would be fucking funny
@@jtcmule3336 funny... And possibly permanently traumatic.
The thing is: If he just said this was a set seed speedrun, he wouldn't have been called a cheater because it would be telling the truth.