The Biggest Cheater In Rocket League History

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  • @karljobst
    @karljobst  Рік тому +2085

    Shimmy vs Schmooey - Who did it better? Happy new years, I wish you all the best in 2023 you legends!
    Play War Thunder now with my link, and get a massive, free bonus pack including vehicles, boosters and more: playwt.link/karljobstwt

    • @charlo12
      @charlo12 Рік тому +15

      who knows lol

    • @ggarzagarcia
      @ggarzagarcia Рік тому +31

      Only a bloody legend like you is on point on putting a video on New Years Day directly in the Americas (already 12am)!
      Many best wishes and blessing to you and your family!!! 🎉

    • @Clementinee
      @Clementinee Рік тому +5

      happy new year everyoneeeeeeeee

    • @Rabbit-the-One
      @Rabbit-the-One Рік тому +5

      Thanks you absolute Legend.

    • @jaseiwilde
      @jaseiwilde Рік тому +4

      happy new year!

  • @eelmail2077
    @eelmail2077 Рік тому +6935

    This is why I really enjoy the existence of TAS communities. I’m totally cool and really love seeing crazy stuff done, as long as it is directly stated that it is using external tools.

    • @Caribbeanmax
      @Caribbeanmax Рік тому +97

      exactly

    • @obsidiack1489
      @obsidiack1489 Рік тому +335

      I feel like in certain games it's super interesting, but in this case it's not really as the thing that makes freestyling cool is the difficulty of it, it doesn't really accomplish anything whereas TAS is used in a lot of games to show theoretical maximums etc

    • @FloPe97
      @FloPe97 Рік тому +82

      yeah exactly!
      i feel like having videos like those around wouldnt even be much of a controversy at all for the community, if he was just upfront about it being tool-assisted to look cooler, cause often inhuman stunts just look incredible to watch. It really is just him claiming he drove it by himself thats the fundemental issue.

    • @aliengenie8896
      @aliengenie8896 Рік тому +228

      The funny thing in this case, is that if what Shimmy submitted these as TASes, it would *still* be cheating because there is no valid sequence of controls that would result in the same replay that Shimmy produced.

    • @TheSpacePlaceYT
      @TheSpacePlaceYT Рік тому +50

      These are not called TASes btw but TAFs, which are Tool Assisted Freestyle replays instead of Tool Assisted Speedruns.

  • @chubbbyninja
    @chubbbyninja Рік тому +4595

    I’ve always wanted to see when someone’s confronted about cheating they just immediately say something like ‘alright you got me lol’

    • @supersnizelz
      @supersnizelz Рік тому +263

      maybe they exist but arnt as likely to blow up

    • @AshBlossomWorshiper
      @AshBlossomWorshiper Рік тому +374

      In the ygo community, a store got caught reselling opened packs and that was basically their response.

    • @ytsuxmuhd4998
      @ytsuxmuhd4998 Рік тому +372

      Ian Watkins the ex band member of Lostprophets did that. Except instead of cheating, it was ****ing minors.

    • @silverreaps6803
      @silverreaps6803 Рік тому +206

      @@ytsuxmuhd4998 crazy thing to admit to

    • @serfaI
      @serfaI Рік тому +26

      @@ytsuxmuhd4998 dont forget the baby stuff 💀

  • @theminingassassin16
    @theminingassassin16 Рік тому +1932

    I love how Karl not only investigates cheating, but also spends time in the communities to get a better understanding of how the players are. True professional.

    • @SamAutoYT
      @SamAutoYT Рік тому +40

      Yeah, without that he would remind me of one of those old-era "attack" youtubers whose only point is to trash people. He exposes the bad behavior, but also gives insight into the game and knows what's happening in the scene.

    • @Theunicorn2012
      @Theunicorn2012 Рік тому +6

      I love how Karl not only investigates cheating, but also spends timw in the communities to get a better understanding of how the players are. True professional.

    • @zxibs3645
      @zxibs3645 Рік тому +1

      yeah adds lots of watch time, like this one is 5 minutes

    • @glass.hammer
      @glass.hammer Рік тому +4

      The real intention of journalism.

    • @ZomgRAWR93
      @ZomgRAWR93 Рік тому +1

      Too bad he can't give up saying the N word

  • @JamaicanCoconutRL
    @JamaicanCoconutRL Рік тому +843

    Thankfully the rocket league competitive and professional scene has not seen any cheating yet. There are simply no cheats or AI smart enough that would help in a competitive environment.
    It's one of the reasons why I've had so much fun with it, compared to games like CS:GO where once you get high enough, you are bound to run into cheaters.

    • @Ultra289
      @Ultra289 Рік тому +7

      Havent found a cheater in years in high ranks

    • @swagmanjay.
      @swagmanjay. Рік тому +15

      I swear a few days ago on twitter multiple pros have seen this guy playing almost to perfection with dribbles like a bot would?

    • @qQ-lh8cf
      @qQ-lh8cf Рік тому +38

      I wish that were true 😂 there are cheaters EVERYWHERE in rocket league. The game simply doesn’t allow you to do some of the things I’ve seen and what we’ve tested. Infinite boost is a thing, extra base speed is a thing, choosing your power up’s in rumble and skipping the timer is a thing, these are the most common we’ve run into. There is simple no other explanation unless the ping and packetloss warnings mean nothing because they don’t reflect bad connection with players that exhibit those behaviors.

    • @jaspuhh.
      @jaspuhh. Рік тому +60

      This aged like rotten cheese, JamaicanCoconut LMAO 1 day later and cheaters are being found in ranked. That's funny

    • @nomore6167
      @nomore6167 Рік тому +21

      "Thankfully the rocket league competitive and professional scene has not seen any cheating yet" - With all due respect, it is impossible for you (or anyone) to definitively say that you haven't seen any cheating yet. The best you can say is that you have not discovered any cheating yet.

  • @stanz47
    @stanz47 Рік тому +859

    There was also one other thing he hacked you didn’t mention: the camera. In his replays he would modify the camera, so he’d hit a normal freestyle and then in replay turn on the reverse camera to create an insane shot.

    • @TheSpacePlaceYT
      @TheSpacePlaceYT Рік тому +92

      Wow. That makes them MUCH less impressive.

    • @eggs8021
      @eggs8021 Рік тому +11

      I don't know if I'm reading it weird or if its written weird, but this comment makes no sense to me

    • @TheWizardMus
      @TheWizardMus Рік тому +135

      @@eggs8021 effectively he played with the normal camera, then when he was editing the replay, he would make the camera be the reverse cam to create the more impressive looking reverse shot

    • @eggs8021
      @eggs8021 Рік тому +19

      @@TheWizardMus oh I get it that's hilarious

    • @l1bric
      @l1bric Рік тому +44

      @@eggs8021 I was wrong everyone, he didn’t use jumpinreplay my apologies

  • @NYTROUS
    @NYTROUS Рік тому +3782

    The editing and explanations in this video were perfect, happy to help!

    • @cepollard86
      @cepollard86 Рік тому +45

      Good work fellas!

    • @KiyaWarrior
      @KiyaWarrior Рік тому +9

      I’m confused how this is considered cheating. Theres no opponents or competition, he’s just trying to make some cool clips. Its your own fault for being deceived if anything.

    • @JimmyHey
      @JimmyHey Рік тому +193

      @@KiyaWarrior He literally altered the code of the game to make something that isn't humanly possible, possible.
      How is it not cheating?

    • @lorehammer40k4
      @lorehammer40k4 Рік тому +14

      Oh hey, you're that guy from the thing, huh? Cool.

    • @Y2Jeremiah
      @Y2Jeremiah Рік тому +117

      @@KiyaWarrior you must be the only one online that's confused. He literally got his spot on a freestyle team from these faked clips, per the explanation in the video. It is the very definition of cheating.
      And they might have been initially deceived, but they figured out that it wasn't legit and exposed it. So I don't see how trying to make them the villains instead of the fraud does anything.

  • @brennanator
    @brennanator Рік тому +2159

    I play RL a lot and I would just like to point out the amount of depth and research that he puts into games he covers so he isn’t disrespectful and understands the topic completely. Incredible job.

    • @Miss_New_Booty
      @Miss_New_Booty Рік тому +43

      Legit. I've been playing for 2 years and never noticed that the BOOST letters flash at 100%. I thought they flashed as soon as you hit 99% because I don't look at the boost meter if I know I'm full

    • @kingofgrim4761
      @kingofgrim4761 Рік тому +34

      @@Miss_New_Booty me who never notices it flashes despite playing for years (I also am not good)

    • @Theunicorn2012
      @Theunicorn2012 Рік тому +4

      I play RL a lot and I would just like to point out the amount of depth and research that he puts into games he covers so he isn't disrespectful and understands the topic completely. Incredible job.

    • @Brainsore.
      @Brainsore. Рік тому +5

      Chill

    • @WhosThatPaddy
      @WhosThatPaddy Рік тому +5

      Been playing for four years and this is very tru I'm a c1 btw

  • @Ben-kz2km
    @Ben-kz2km Рік тому +53

    As someone who played only a few hours of Rocket League, I've always wondered what high level game play and ball control would look like. It's cool to see this level of proficiency. The whole freestyle scene is amazing, there's really no need to cheat.

  • @barackobama5152
    @barackobama5152 Рік тому +557

    ive been playing rocket league for years and im very impressed at the research you did. You got all the terminology correct and clearly went through a lot of effort to make sure you did it right

    • @nickaww
      @nickaww Рік тому +6

      2 months after sunless kahn xd

    • @HoutarouOrekiOsu
      @HoutarouOrekiOsu Рік тому +18

      thanks Obama

    • @gunkanjima3408
      @gunkanjima3408 Рік тому +18

      Terminology like “ball” and “speed” and “goal”. Very impressive

    • @HoutarouOrekiOsu
      @HoutarouOrekiOsu Рік тому +31

      @@gunkanjima3408 flip reset

    • @86niisan8686
      @86niisan8686 Рік тому

      you mean.... ive been playing rocket league for years and you have just proven to know more about it in 1 short video XD
      jk

  • @demeterruinedmylife3199
    @demeterruinedmylife3199 Рік тому +597

    When I watched the video, I thought "well that's quite obvious, how did he cover that up for almost a year?" Then I realise it's just Karl doing a superb job in explaining things clearly.

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 Рік тому +46

      The 14 reset one looked wrong due to the pace of the bounces to me, but I might not have seen that if it weren't in a video about cheating at freestyling.

    • @clearspira
      @clearspira Рік тому +59

      But like Karl says, UA-cam comments and speculation isn't proof. Many legit speedruns look cheated to me, but that's because I do not have the skill to play a game to that level. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

    • @unwono
      @unwono Рік тому +4

      @@hariman7727 There are actual players who look just as good

    • @TheSpacePlaceYT
      @TheSpacePlaceYT Рік тому +10

      @@clearspira You are the first person I've seen to actually admit that while some runs ook cheated you might not know everything about the game they're playing. As a result you don't hate in their comments section like the other hundreds of thousands.

    • @Dragonatrix
      @Dragonatrix Рік тому +1

      Don't even need that to question it in this case, though? A guy going from very good but mid as far as competitive stuff cares to hanging with the best of the best literally overnight is so blatant that if that flag was any redder it would have a hammer and sickle on it.

  • @JoshJoshua64
    @JoshJoshua64 Рік тому +917

    Man that's crazy. Lots of work put into that cheating which is almost impressive in itself lmao

    • @KaseyC.
      @KaseyC. Рік тому +90

      Like Karl said, if he put just a little more work into it, it would've likely gone unnoticed

    • @JoshJoshua64
      @JoshJoshua64 Рік тому +42

      @@KaseyC. True! That's why it's ALMOST impressive lmao. Just a little bit more would've made it much better

    • @LineOfThy
      @LineOfThy Рік тому +11

      you can't succeed if you don't put in the work, no matter how good the idea is.

    • @SinfulEuphxria
      @SinfulEuphxria Рік тому +9

      The crazy thing is, the time it would take to actually hit those clips (compared to his already shown skill level) would have been significantly less than the time he took to fake them most of the time

    • @ThePapaja1996
      @ThePapaja1996 Рік тому +1

      a pro cheater

  • @rstewa35
    @rstewa35 Рік тому +1046

    I’m not condoning his actions obviously but it’s impressive as hell how well he was able to modify those replay files. I would have never noticed.

    • @John-nw9jc
      @John-nw9jc Рік тому +67

      Yeah my thoughts exactly. Def not a lazy cheater lol

    • @agrillhasnoname
      @agrillhasnoname Рік тому

      You admire a cheater lol what is wrong with you? Cheater too? It's not impressive, it's shitty.

    • @xxL3GNDSBESTxx
      @xxL3GNDSBESTxx Рік тому +69

      This is what scares me the most about cheating. Technology has been around long enough, people have to be really good at cheating. For every cheater caught, how many are there doing it diligently and not getting caught?

    • @mattparnall4148
      @mattparnall4148 Рік тому +46

      at this point the cheating is sort of an art form of itself

    • @robinmattheussen2395
      @robinmattheussen2395 Рік тому +6

      I'm assuming he built some tools in order to facility all this. There's quite few tools out there that use the RL replay format, so there's a lot of information you can use to build your own stuff. Still, I agree, some of these seem quite well made.

  • @Drayiss
    @Drayiss Рік тому +159

    You know, if it weren’t for the fact that he was trying to pass the videos off as real, I wouldn’t mind them. Modifying a game and producing visually crazy videos just for the heck of it can be super fun! It’s a shame that it was an attempt to fool the community who puts in the commitment to achieve their own great plays

    • @RSTaku
      @RSTaku Рік тому +5

      yep

    • @richardhunter132
      @richardhunter132 Рік тому +5

      he was benefiting materially from it, so it's fraud

    • @myrup1887
      @myrup1887 Рік тому +4

      @@richardhunter132looks sick asf tho no?

    • @mistywww3199
      @mistywww3199 Рік тому +1

      Is that not just TAS at that point.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 4 місяці тому

      ​@@myrup1887If it does, but is pure fake (as in shots not physically possible) it doesn't matter.
      Then it "doesn't look sick" anymore

  • @Uniqueusername2
    @Uniqueusername2 Рік тому +106

    I remember casually playing this right when it came out. Took a break for a year or two and when I came back, the average skill level of the competition was so freaking impressive I couldn’t keep up lol.

    • @JackTheripper911
      @JackTheripper911 Рік тому +23

      Imagine how my friends and I felt when we switched from "Super Sonic Acrobatic rocket powered battle cars" (RL 1) to Rocket League years later 😂 was like going from the stone age to the 40th century

  • @CaptainCurtle
    @CaptainCurtle Рік тому +223

    Just a note about the "real-time" cheating. There's been some recent video evidence of players toggling a bot to auto-hunt demos with inhuman precision. So there's baby steps happening in competitive cheating

    • @smellyghost
      @smellyghost Рік тому +12

      Yeah came here to mention this. But it’s not just TAS for demos there’s evidence of being able to do TAS aerials and other mechanics as well. It’s all coming out more and more though so no idea what the extent of it is but I’ve seen the clips of it.
      Also funny to see this after seeing SunlessKhan’s video on the subject.

    • @Swaeshy
      @Swaeshy Рік тому +8

      @@smellyghost completely different things, the demo bot is just a bot that locks onto an enemy on your screen and perfectly chases them with robotic reactions to their dodging attempts, the aerial tas stuff is still completely impossible in live multiplayer games, only possible in singleplayer gameplay.

    • @smellyghost
      @smellyghost Рік тому +8

      @@Swaeshy not that I’ve seen. You’re right that it’s different than the demo bot that locks onto the player to demo that Johnnyboi showed off. But the clips I’ve seen of the TAS aerials are in live multiplayer but they’re more like hit a button to do mechanics afaik. But there’s also way more than that anyways. Things like showing hitboxes and ball trajectory in live matches is also possible (as well as faking items and everyone in the lobby being able to see them). I know one console is called voltage and there’s another that someone linked in the comments of johnnyboi’s video that had the TAS aerial stuff but I’d have to dig that back up. But the forums had discussions about it and how to use it in matches to look natural along with privated UA-cam clips showing it off.

    • @sdsdfdu4437
      @sdsdfdu4437 Рік тому

      There's also the CSGO coach fiasco

    • @Peksisarvinen
      @Peksisarvinen Рік тому +6

      ​@@smellyghost It is literally impossible to cheat out mechanics in Rocket League in online matches, simply due to the fact that every mechanic needs to be set up before you can go for it, and you bots do not have the ability to micro manage ball control to get the setup right for the macroing to work, and humans do not have the precision, or the opportunities for that matter, to set the bot up in a way that would put it in a position to succeed.
      As for seeing hitboxes and ball trajectory, both of those things are completely useless. Good players already know where the hitboxes are and where the ball is going, and bad players cannot utilize the extra information for anything. The best you can do with it is practice, but in live gameplay, useless extra garbage on the screen is just a distraction.
      It is literally impossible to gain a competitive advantage from bots or cheats in online Rocket League. Doesn't matter what theorycrafters think.

  • @bluetrip_
    @bluetrip_ Рік тому +201

    Rocket Sledge is such an underrated creator. Really happy you shouted him out :)

  • @PicturedMind
    @PicturedMind Рік тому +376

    What's upsetting about this situation is he actually had something good going for himself and the community. I think if he put out these montages and made it known he had altered the code to produce some cool clips people would've loved to see it.

    • @tylerb6981
      @tylerb6981 Рік тому +62

      I had the same exact thought while watching this. I was like "Since it is so easy to alter those replays and whatnot, you could have a whole YT channel just dedicated to manufacturing hello cool matches and montages."

    • @brunobruno-c1d
      @brunobruno-c1d Рік тому +28

      @@tylerb6981 yep, it'd be like tool assisted speedruns / tas, it'd let peopl see the theoretical maximum and amazingness of what can be done - plus, if he *admited* right away that he was doing so instead of faking it, we could see much more harder to execute clips, instead of trying to keep it a human level, it could go ham and make it even more entertaining
      its a shame the guy didnt go for that, that'd be cool

    • @QuantumConundrum
      @QuantumConundrum Рік тому +15

      Since this overwrites/ignores a lot of the physics constraints I don't think it would be that interesting... but there are ways to be creative, it's just not obvious to me.

    • @landru27
      @landru27 Рік тому +16

      Even better, if he'd shared what he learned in the process and his *technique*, people would have built upon it, going in who-knows-what directions, and others would build upon that work, so on and so forth. Someone would make really funny Rocket League matches. Someone would recreate real World Cup matches in Rocket League. Someone would create artistically choreographed matches. Someone would write software to make it easier to create these specially crafted matches. We'd have Rocket League machinema. And eventually, of course, someone would recreate Minecraft in Rocket League.

    • @NielsMulvad
      @NielsMulvad Рік тому +2

      @@QuantumConundrum I would disagree, I think it would have the potential to be an amazing channel and further down the line a tool for people that wants to theory craft and practice.
      Sure some people would scuff at it, but he had been honest about what videos was "tool assisted" then I think people who would want to get sweaty, would have flocked to him.

  • @TypausZuendorf
    @TypausZuendorf Рік тому +32

    Okay the guy is a cheater but on 7:37 the amount of time for making food...
    Mate when I tell you I make myself some food lets say, roasted potatoes plus some prepared meatballs from the supermarket. That is gonna take around an hour of relaxed cooking plus 30-45 min at least to eat and then another 15-30 min me just relaxing after the food. And that is a very straight forward easy to make meal.
    If then somebody asked for some replay from me that is not gonna be on my "important" list and I might not even get on that, that day.
    Just as a general rule never overread such things.

  • @Ashtarte3D
    @Ashtarte3D Рік тому +28

    I love that subtle jab at Billy Mitchell where you don't even have to name him and we all know what you're talking about.

  • @Transgenic86
    @Transgenic86 Рік тому +75

    This same situation happened in Half-Life 2 Done Quick. There was an individual contributor that had some cheated segments in the speedrun. But it took something like a decade until people realized the segments were cheated by using host_timescale to do the segments at a slower speed. When you play the replay (demo file), they don't contain the host_timescale command in the replay, so they play at normal speed.

    • @aarontooth
      @aarontooth Рік тому +4

      Oh man that makes me so sad.
      HL2DQ is what you me interested in watching speed running. Now it's tarnished for a second reason.
      (The first is the segment where they sexually assault Alex Vance. I mean, God damn guys. Me too or something.)

  • @SirPembertonS.Crevalius
    @SirPembertonS.Crevalius Рік тому +499

    It's amazing how well Karl keeps tabs on every speedrunning or challenge community and relays the information in such a compact and easy to understand way.
    Happy New Year Karl!

    • @Wallyworld30
      @Wallyworld30 Рік тому +24

      Karl is the Walter Cronkite of Speedrunning. If something interesting happens in the world of Speedrunning they will tell everything about it to Karl. I'm not trying to downplay Karl's work I'm on pointing out he'll get scoop before other channels because they find Karl instead of Karl trying to find them.

    • @draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978
      @draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978 Рік тому +13

      @@Wallyworld30 That's just how things work. Ain't nothing wrong about it either.

    • @grayaj23
      @grayaj23 Рік тому +12

      I'm not even into speedrunning, but I enjoy Karl's videos because his presentation style and thoroughness are worth watching.

    • @queefqueefington
      @queefqueefington Рік тому +5

      I've never speedrun anything and dont really even play videogames but still always these videos Karl makes. Always top notch quality and explanations so a non gaming dummy like me understands whats going on

    • @krusher181
      @krusher181 Рік тому +3

      This isn’t even a speedrunning or challenge community tbh, so it’s even weirder and more impressive.
      Freestyling in rocket league is straight up about pushing the envelope while being stylish as fuck. It’s such a cool microcosm of the game.
      Cheating is obviously sooooo against the spirit of freestyling, even though it’s not an inherently competitive way of playing. It’s about being sick and doing sick shit, with real skill.

  • @Jammerocker
    @Jammerocker Рік тому +236

    There is NO WAY you just dropped a Rocket League video. Holy shit what a start to the new year!

  • @WolfXGamerful
    @WolfXGamerful Рік тому +51

    Taku and NYTROUS really pullin out the galaxy brain with the way they got undeniable proof on him. Good stuff.

  • @BaloneyPoney007
    @BaloneyPoney007 8 місяців тому +4

    Its truly impressive when you can clearly see the love,and thoroughness put into these videos! Its so well done, it will capture an audience that doesn't even know anything about the game initially, and conclude with a solid understanding of the topic. Very well done!!! I look forward to your continued success!

  • @jasonxhx7854
    @jasonxhx7854 Рік тому +310

    NGL I thought Karl might have been late covering this story. Instead, he produces an absolutely insane detective story detailing all the actual events of the story. Well done Dr. Jobst.

    • @ccvjd3909
      @ccvjd3909 Рік тому

      Anyone above diamond is a cheater. The rank system Is just cheat protection. It's obvious to spot a cheater in rocket league. The cheat "bakkes mod" boosts the car at the ball and aims the front of the car at the ball automatically.
      Mosf of the clips featured at the start of this video are cheaters.

    • @TheLastSane1
      @TheLastSane1 Рік тому +23

      Honestly, like with any journalism you have you weight being the "First" to break a story or cover one. And taking the time to gather all the info. So it might have been a little behind the trend but that also means he would have time to gather info that was discovered after the other people who talked about it. I rather like that like.

    • @Kamirasu
      @Kamirasu Рік тому

      @Don't Read Profile Photo who are you?

    • @TheSpacePlaceYT
      @TheSpacePlaceYT Рік тому +7

      @@TheLastSane1 Exactly. He was the ONLY person to cover te Dream incident with full coverage and actually not jump on one wagon or the other. It's really sad how people do 30 minutes of research and put out a response video as if they even know what they're talking about xD

    • @romaining
      @romaining Рік тому +1

      @@TheLastSane1 at least the story was covered to another community, most of the rocket league community already know about the story because of sunlesskhan’s video (he’s a rocket league youtuber) so it’s a good thing the speedrun community know about another bad actor

  • @shammaboy
    @shammaboy Рік тому +276

    You gotta hand it to some of these cheaters. It’s impressive to figure out how to be deceitful on that level

    • @oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
      @oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Рік тому +25

      You have to wonder how sad their lives must be to invest so much time in deceit just to be thought highly of in a very, very niche community.

    • @luipaardprint
      @luipaardprint Рік тому +43

      @@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 I think it works a little bit different tbh, he was already decent in the community, just never the best, and he wanted a shortcut to being part of the elite. Its the same emotion pay to win games predicate their business model on.

    • @Speeeedy
      @Speeeedy Рік тому +4

      @@luipaardprint I agree to some extent but the fact that he couldn't just practise more or work harder to sharpen his skills is just kinda sad. He spent time and effort into editing his clips instead. I feel like it's a very poor way to go about things when he could've just worked for it instead.

    • @dragoneye6229
      @dragoneye6229 Рік тому +3

      What impresses me is that he didn't even play the game. Or rather he did but when he was making these clips he wasn't playing he just made them via coding basically. That's insane.

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju Рік тому +4

      @@Speeeedy Isn't anyone putting thousands of hours into a video game just sad though? I always wonder what these speed runners could have achieved if they had put that time and effort into something productive in the real world.

  • @WhoamI-rl8ep
    @WhoamI-rl8ep Рік тому +151

    I never did a speedrun, im not part of the community and only watched a couple of speedruns over the years, but your videos are so well written, narrated and edited that i can't help watching every single one of them

    • @heydannypark
      @heydannypark Рік тому +4

      I've also never once attempted a speed run, or even watched an attempt by someone else. I found out about this community through the movie "King of Kong" with that awful ding-a-ling Milly Bitchell. After seeing the movie, I'm sure I would have rarely - if ever - pursued any more content regarding the genre, but for a video that came out in my recommendations by some dude named Karl Jobst. I still don't watch any speed running stuff, but a good story is a good story, and Karl does it right. Lots of research, totally fair, and as honest as the day is long. Kudos, sir.

    • @TheRealCake
      @TheRealCake Рік тому

      Bot

  • @spykewyn8395
    @spykewyn8395 Рік тому +6

    5:35 "But then, in December of 2021, Shimmy became possessed." By the ghost of Todd Rogers, apparently!

  • @klashnacovak47
    @klashnacovak47 Рік тому +4

    Well done to all those who called him out and those who not just called him out but actually put a report together and showed their evidence.
    Need a lot more people like this in games and putting the cheaters to rights.

  • @Lightna
    @Lightna Рік тому +24

    Dang, 2023 isn't even an hour old and we already have a cheating scandal vid from the absolute legend Karl Jobst

  • @grashoprsmith
    @grashoprsmith Рік тому +983

    U fookin legend

  • @Pyroniusburn
    @Pyroniusburn Рік тому +17

    I love when people come up with definitive methods of testing for cheating that have very little to do with the game
    Like already having a replay and then asking for it again later when the person is under scrutiny and would be likely to alter it, clever.

  • @Sem5626
    @Sem5626 Рік тому +2

    i love how the "most replayed" bit of most youtube videos is the end of the in built ad... people should probably be taking note of that

  • @LuizDahoraavida
    @LuizDahoraavida Рік тому +11

    I'm not in the speedrunning community but I enjoy watching your content, your versatility for dealing with so many different games and communities is really impressive!

    • @makisekurisu1761
      @makisekurisu1761 3 місяці тому

      This video is not about speedrun bro wym lmao

  • @slojderr
    @slojderr Рік тому +46

    So cool to see you cover this rocket league incident and im really impressed that you actually took the time to learn all the rocket league terms correctly. Even pro players constantly get terms wrong when it comes to freestyling and they dont really care to learn. But you really did it well!

  • @legatomodi3522
    @legatomodi3522 Рік тому +27

    I imagine it's an intense point of stress to go so long being so close to getting caught. Knowing that people are suspicious and asking questions and you know that they know that you know you're cheating and everyones testing you to slip. You achieved nothing but now you gotta work that much harder trying to pretend you did. What a terrible scene.

    • @AcIdBARRY
      @AcIdBARRY Рік тому +9

      thats what lies cause, and also why you shouldnt do it. i hope he learned his lesson.

    • @randomess61
      @randomess61 Рік тому +16

      It's kind of funny to think about though. Can you imagine, the dude just going on about with his day when someone suddenly asks him for a replay file and now he has to drop everything he is doing to spend a hour or so trying to make the replay look smoother lmao

    • @IceBlueLugia
      @IceBlueLugia Рік тому +6

      @@randomess61 That’s the exact thing I was thinking during that part of the video lmfao

  • @Bearorgan
    @Bearorgan Рік тому +9

    7:30 an hour and a half is a pretty average cook time. especially if he's cooking and eating it right away.

  • @shinobiqueenv6583
    @shinobiqueenv6583 Рік тому +4

    Im shocked by this. I've played this game for years, and I understand TAS exists, but as a console player I could never fathom how someone would cheat in Rocket League of all games.
    Love your content, and this is exactly why!

  • @ethansample8512
    @ethansample8512 Рік тому +2

    I have 2 things to say about this. 1, being a part of the Rocket League community for so long, it's really heartwarming to see someone who isn't actively a part of the community do so much to be accurate and informed when making a video like this, so extremely well done to Karl. 2, I think the one thing that throws me off about the video is the description of Shimmy's gameplay before he started cheating. Freestyling at even a "medium" level would still put you leagues ahead of the average player. It's not something that you can gradually get better at at the same time you get better at the game. You already have to be one of the best in the game to even have a chance at making good freestyle content.

  • @erikaisadiah
    @erikaisadiah Рік тому +204

    I'm always amazed at how invested these videos make me in games I've never played. Looking forward to watching you contine to be a legend in 2023, Karl!

  • @loricbrandt
    @loricbrandt Рік тому +36

    I appreciate all of the work you put into the presentation of these videos. I've never played, or have little experience with some of the games you cover, but I can still follow along perfectly well because of the way you present and explain the information. It's both informative and entertaining, and I appreciate it very much.

  • @theghostcreator776
    @theghostcreator776 Рік тому +10

    6:53 when you pin people calling you out on your BS 💀

  • @Dante-420
    @Dante-420 2 місяці тому +3

    7:30 an hour and a half to cook is entirely reasonable if you're not settling for ramen and doritos, dude

  • @EmilicoYamigos
    @EmilicoYamigos Рік тому +2

    Karl you never stop surprising us with your critic content of the same topic but with broad and big variety of game genres, props for your investigations, best of lucks.

  • @shayes.x
    @shayes.x Рік тому +5

    Thank you for covering this, and to those who helped with the video! Being part of the RL community, it's exciting to see our community in the spotlight!

  • @reidmodena-kurpinsky4313
    @reidmodena-kurpinsky4313 Рік тому +21

    I cant think of a better way to bring in the new year than a drink in hand, and watching Karl Jobst. I hope you have a great new year Karl, and can't wait to see the content you make in 2023.

  • @benjaminjankowski4488
    @benjaminjankowski4488 Рік тому +8

    Im really surprised and happy you covered this rl drama as i never thought it would catch major attention

    • @Elenrai
      @Elenrai Рік тому

      In that case have a little bonus slice; in CS GO there was a coach that got "caught" using an exploit to ghost, after valve refused to fix the exploit, the coach instructed his team to use it, they all lie and pleaded ignorance and what is worse is that loads of pro teams actively cheat using the ghost exploit, i would cry but am laughing too hard

  • @Dramilos
    @Dramilos Рік тому +1

    Different from other cheaters this dude was kinda smart when covering it up

  • @user-rs2zg8cq4g
    @user-rs2zg8cq4g Рік тому +3

    Awesome to see videos on games not typically covered here. Keep branching out man, love the content!

  • @ryanhodin5014
    @ryanhodin5014 Рік тому +10

    It's always great to have such a well-explained video that makes someone who doesn't know the game at a technical level understand the cheating at that level... All with some nice Mantis theme in the background.

  • @Zeddwolff
    @Zeddwolff Рік тому +57

    Never thought I'd see my favorite game on this channel. Thanks so much for covering this.

    • @ashtonjack
      @ashtonjack Рік тому

      I just Commented this lol

    • @ashtonjack
      @ashtonjack Рік тому

      im actually so happy

    • @lastdimensions638
      @lastdimensions638 Рік тому

      Hey I know you lol

    • @suds6424
      @suds6424 Рік тому +5

      literally did a triple take when i seen biggest cheater in rocket league history and then karl jobst name under it. i was like no way he made a video on "jimmy" as sunlesskahn called him haha idk how much karl knows about RL but this video was amazingly done with all the explanations and coverage of the events. well done mr Jobst ❤

    • @Zeddwolff
      @Zeddwolff Рік тому

      @@lastdimensions638 How do you know me?

  • @twahly8170
    @twahly8170 Рік тому +8

    Extremely impressed with your research and how you gain all knowledge of the game before making a video. I am an extreme RL player and you got every fact of the game spot on.
    Thanks!

  • @Imaproshaman7
    @Imaproshaman7 Рік тому +5

    It's always crazy how much effort people can put into cheating. This was explained really well too, especially since I don't even know that much about the game. The editing is great. I always appreciate when the people are able to get involved in the making of the videos too. Nice.

  • @jared675
    @jared675 Рік тому +2

    great video. I hadn't heard of this guy but honestly watching these clips it's amazing to me that no one was initially suspicious before he joined a team. I mean he barely touches the ball and gets max speed, or the ball lags and looks broken in half his clips. still a really interesting story

  • @Mr.Boyo13
    @Mr.Boyo13 Рік тому +7

    Nothing like starting the new year off with a Karl Jobst video. This is truly epic and you, are an absolute Legend Karl Jobst

  • @Defkin
    @Defkin Рік тому +8

    Amazing production and narration as always! The opening description about Rocket League and its mechanics is the best explanation I've ever seen. Happy New Year!

  • @GreybeardGG
    @GreybeardGG Рік тому +4

    I became a gamer rather later in life and the game which got me there is Rocket League. It's the only game I play. With that context, I've been watching your channel for two years and love the content even though I've never seen, let alone played, the genres you cover.
    Seeing you cover the game I love was a joy. Great work.

  • @tomh6010
    @tomh6010 Рік тому +4

    This reminds me a lot of the time Trackmania players found dozens of high-level players were cheating and created their own 'Competitive Patch' to verify replays. Gotta' love the dedication of gamers.

  • @matt.2708
    @matt.2708 Рік тому +7

    The thing with Shimmy is lots of people could easily tell his freestyles were fake, especially him finding random power from weak shots

  • @Sagittarial-A-
    @Sagittarial-A- Рік тому +6

    This is right before 2023 for me, thanks for another great video to end off the year on my end, and a wonderful way to start the year for others. Hope you're doing wonderfully, Karl.

  • @Adrobiel
    @Adrobiel Рік тому +6

    The thing I always found funny about stuff like this is if the creator was upfront about stuff when they posted most people would have a good laugh and be like "Wow that's impossible but looks cool, kudos" but they insist on faking it as if it was real despite their real skill in the game.
    It's the same with a lot of the cheaters you have exposed tbh.

  • @jij8504
    @jij8504 Рік тому +9

    really cool to see someone outside the rl community covering things like this, great work

  • @seanewing204
    @seanewing204 Рік тому +3

    Ugh. He wasn't even cheating, just enhancing videos! If he had elaborated when Redshyft approached him, this would've been a series of cool videos, basically Machinimas of what you could do in Rocket League. Maybe even release tutorials on the game's code.
    But, no. He had to claim it was solely skill. Such a shame.

  • @AutumnPulse
    @AutumnPulse Рік тому

    This is why I love that there are people in every genre that are know a lot about specific games. I wouldn't have caught anything that was brought up because I know nothing about rocketleague.

  • @El-Mikey
    @El-Mikey Рік тому +74

    Thanks for all the amazing content, happy new year to you karl and also to everyone you love
    And to all the absolute legends reading this!

  • @calvinguernsey8940
    @calvinguernsey8940 Рік тому +4

    What a great way to explain rocket leagues mechanics and high end gameplay so simply. Looking forward to the Karl jobst freestyle montage. 👍

  • @Night_Hawk_475
    @Night_Hawk_475 Рік тому +2

    Really well researched from the community, thank you for putting this presentation together. The thing that's always neat (and you did point this out too already) - is how these more creative and successful cheaters always end up improving the cheat detection that the community uses in the future. Some day it would be neat to get a tool that could automatically analyze a replay to verify that all the physics line up with what is mathematically possible for the normal game engine to produce.

    • @gairisiuil
      @gairisiuil Рік тому +1

      cheaters would immediately use that to make their replays undetectable

  • @princessoscar3089
    @princessoscar3089 Рік тому +1

    LOL I love your narration for how hilarious you can make this stuff sound. "SHIMMY...had become a GOD." xDDD

  • @TorvicIsSanta
    @TorvicIsSanta Рік тому +6

    Part of this that really sucks is that what shimmy did could have actually been really cool. Manually controlling the game, according to your explanation you said frame by frame at least in part, can't be that easy. Still requires a level of expertise many of us could only dream of, both in the game and in understanding 3rd party tools to manipulate it.
    If shimmy had been upfront about these actions, it would be pretty rad. Not very different from TAS speedruns.

    • @Snrasha
      @Snrasha Рік тому

      Very different of TAS Speedrun, a TAS is just a series of input each frame than a human cannot do, which will break the game, the game is unchanged and technically not cheated. This guy has modified the game and cheated.

    • @TorvicIsSanta
      @TorvicIsSanta Рік тому +1

      @@Snrasha I was referring more to the skill and accomplishment of it, not details of either

  • @tylerlegend7205
    @tylerlegend7205 Рік тому +7

    Happy new years, always great to see a video from a creator you love on a game you love

  • @WillACarpenter
    @WillACarpenter Рік тому +4

    Dude could have just been a beloved TASser.

  • @Yoshi92
    @Yoshi92 Рік тому

    Why I play RL basically daily for more than 6 years now: *Untouchable skill ceiling & no cheaters at all.*
    The only competitive 3D online game I know that has both. What a time to be alive.
    Amazing video Karl! 🏆💯

  • @M249-z2s
    @M249-z2s Рік тому +1

    I beleive that the reason that rocket leauge is popular is the same as fotboll(soccer). A simple game with alot of depth in which you have teams competing with each other were you can root for teams and individuals.

  • @jrearman
    @jrearman Рік тому +6

    Karl doing a Rocket League video, now I can die happy. Fantastic video, amazing descriptions, and you can tell research was done about the community. Well done Karl!

  • @Jokervision744
    @Jokervision744 Рік тому +4

    I just applaud people for all the passion being able to play even through videos where the idea is to catch a cheater.

  • @arekkuso3914
    @arekkuso3914 Рік тому +5

    I really wish these guys who cheat like this would put their effort into revealing the cheat, showing off how it works and how to detect it, and then edit some really awesome shit together to show peak tool assist level play. People will still watch, like, and subscribe for that type of video, and you'll still be a loved part of the community, honored even, for bringing that to light before someone does it. Being "God tier" is one thing, but contributing to something as useful as anti-cheat and then going on to make God tier tool assistee videos is, in my personal opinion, much better and safer for your career.

  • @mattkowalski6740
    @mattkowalski6740 Рік тому

    I never thought I'd see the day when Karl Jobst would do a video on rocket league due to the near impossibility to cheat or speed run anything in particular, and yet here we are. Love the content as always. Huge fan, and now you got a video on my favorite game

  • @phemeloseotlolla
    @phemeloseotlolla Рік тому +1

    This is a case of someone cheating in a sprint and we find out they grew an extra leg to win. Changing the game code to cheat is nutty.

  • @katgut
    @katgut Рік тому +18

    There should be a category in every community that goes on for a random month each year, that challenges the best of each community to make their best cheated runs and submit them undercover to test and strengthen the community's eyes for cheaters, some of the mods will be in on it and at the end of the month all the cheated runs unnoticed will be revealed and given a small summary of what the runner did to do it
    The mods that spot the fakes, the community members that spot the fakes, and the runners that successfully fool the community or discover a new cheat method before its use could even win some money

  • @impxlse
    @impxlse Рік тому +5

    1:09 omg im in a karl jobst video :D

  • @AnvilCrawlersGaming
    @AnvilCrawlersGaming Рік тому +8

    No better way to celebrate the New Year than more Karl Jobst and his public service 🤟

  • @crabmansteve6844
    @crabmansteve6844 Рік тому

    This is why I like the speedrunning community. They have an entire section dedicated to TAS antics and its really awesome, I'm all for it, but sometimes knobs such as this try to pull a fast one.

  • @GDNashit
    @GDNashit Рік тому

    karl jobst uploading a rocket league video, 2023 is wild already

  • @jake.5877
    @jake.5877 Рік тому +8

    I can say with the upmost certainty from a player in the RL FS community this was the most entertaining and mind blowing video I have seen in years to do with RL. Purely due to how accurate the video is not to mention so many friends of mine being shown in the video as well... just awesome to see. You sir, are an absolute LEGEND :D

  • @Kurachi84
    @Kurachi84 Рік тому +12

    Well, dear programmer, i'm sure the speedrun community likes your fakes, as they now have even more to keep an eye on!
    Too bad you did it without telling them, so they had to catch and punish you.
    Maybe some new rules like "show your replays" will be added, and cheaters will fall harder and more often than ever.
    Thanks to Karl for such amazing video once again, as you really are clear and more in details than just "this and that happened".

    • @merlinwarage
      @merlinwarage Рік тому +3

      "Too bad you did it without telling them, so they had to catch and punish you."
      Content for everyone :)

  • @PredictedCyborg
    @PredictedCyborg Рік тому +32

    I think there IS a place for this sort of stuff, as a tool-assisted expression of what could be done... sort of... artistic in a way. Because those replays are amazingly beautiful.
    But never to actually gain merit in places where practice and skills are meant to be measured.

    • @youtube-kit9450
      @youtube-kit9450 Рік тому +2

      Thre are TAS categories in speedruns for a reason.

  • @watchmakerful
    @watchmakerful 5 місяців тому +1

    The best way to eliminate this issue is (from the developer's side) make the replay files and other critical data encrypted and/or digitally signed.

  • @cornbeefsandwich2828
    @cornbeefsandwich2828 Місяць тому

    0.00-2.48 it's nice to be back on land. After some team matches of rocket league I must get back to my trackmania document/message delivery service.

  • @maximmk6446
    @maximmk6446 Рік тому +4

    Hope you are doing great Karl, Happy New Year ✨

  • @GodlyKJ
    @GodlyKJ Рік тому +8

    Mods: there’s hundreds of clips with a 99.9% chance you’re cheating
    Shimmy: I’ve never cheated in my life.
    Mods: there’s 1 clip with a 100% chance you’re cheating
    Shimmy: Aww ya got me D:

  • @Rabbit-the-One
    @Rabbit-the-One Рік тому +10

    Inhumane freestyle skills?
    Not inhuman?
    Is he a war criminal or something?
    Should we tell the neighborhood watch?

  • @munchmongoose
    @munchmongoose Рік тому

    Something’s just getting me again and again about how delightfully you describe him getting absolutely possessed and transcending gamerhood to become a deity

  • @colbynicholson9804
    @colbynicholson9804 Рік тому

    I was ab to say this vid wouldn’t be complete without a mesko triple musty clip lmfao good shit Karl

  • @RickOConnell327
    @RickOConnell327 Рік тому +5

    Happy new year Karl, I've always loved your content and hope to see more of it in the new year :D

  • @nickpini7998
    @nickpini7998 Рік тому +4

    Love the content Karl! Keep up the good work and happy new year!

  • @warriorgrl3076
    @warriorgrl3076 Рік тому +3

    just a personal 3:51 marker for the Sponsor skip. use it if you wanna! :)

  • @Flamb00zled
    @Flamb00zled Рік тому +1

    Hearing FTL playing in the background around 4mins makes me want to play it.

  • @Not_funnyTv
    @Not_funnyTv Рік тому

    “Cunning and creative in his deception” 😂… dude all that was sketchy from the beginning

  • @razzan532
    @razzan532 Рік тому +5

    At 2:22 I think you mean inhuman rather than inhumane. But both could work I suppose.