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@@Bulliegh According to Merriam-Webster, another definition for synonymous is, "having the same connotations, implications, or reference," with their given example being, "to runners, Boston is synonymous with marathon." Try to actually *verify* yourself before being a prick online.
I remember seeing those absurd 1 second times back then and somehow thinking they were legit, so I replicated the nonsense driving that was shown in the replay thinking that hitting the obstacles in a certain order would be a secret way to get a time like that
I remember a record on Luigi's circuit, as the baby luigi ghost would keep hitting the walls randomly my child self thought It was a glitch and i tried to do it😭😭
I noticed the same thing, but I didn't think they were legit because the time trial ghosts never finished the course. Interestingly, one of those was of the Mushroom Gorge Ultra Shortcut, but I didn't think it was legitimate despite finishing the course because it just didn't make sense to me at the time until I discovered SummoningSalt's Ultra SC video years later and finally learned the truth.
Back in the day there was a clan of hackers here on UA-cam that exclusively played Toadette, but they didn't cheat on the leaderboards or cheat to win races, they just cheated to be silly out of bounds during races (like transforming into giant bullet bills and driving in circles in the background of a race). I wish more people did stuff like that instead of just cheating to win and ruin everyone's game.
@@iilikecereal I'll be honest I never encountered any troll hackers when I was playing mkw; I guess I was never really on at times/levels where they were - but I *do* remember old mrbean35000vr videos where he's tagged FTL and doing a bunch of trolling lol
Agreed, fun cheaters were pretty great. One of my friends, Ness, was the fun cheater type. He used a Mii I made of the Masked Man from Mother 3 and would go around giving everyone thunder clouds for speed boosts and stars to just screw around for funsies. There was a video of us just ramming the poor cows on Moo Moo Farm with the stars before. Whenever a cheater that's out to harass the other players would join the room, Ness/Masked Man would go after that guy and fight back until they'd leave to go get their jollies elsewhere in a less protected room.
Reminds me of the guy who was making a 2D Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time game in RPG Maker many MANY years ago who faked his death because he didn't want to work on it anymore. Was a shame, what he had was pretty nice, but I guess the pressure got to him. Though at least he was working on something cool and positive for the community. This guy faking his death from cheating...a lot of people legit wish he REALLY died. he has no shame so why would we feel sorry for him?
@MarioMastar It goes to show the error of assuming there is a "community." Top speed runners certainly form one. But fans of a game don't, not just by playing the same game, and most people who think of themselves as part of such a "community" have no stake in it & can't expect it from others.
This is also why TASes should always be released as input files that others can play back, instead of just as videos. This makes it impossible to cheat, since the inputs made with cheats on wouldn't make sense without those cheats. When others play back the inputs without the cheats enabled, the movement of the character would get out of sync with what the inputs assume, typically bonking into walls or falling into pits, and definitely not finishing in record time. All records on TASVideos are done via input files and are therefore cheat-proof, but not all tasing is done there, and sadly just publishing a video on youtube is pretty common and very easy to fake. Input files are just a few kB in size, so there's really no excuse not to publish them. That's why I think it's a bit suspicious when people don't.
Around that time of early internet access games, no matter what the game was, if there was a high score list it was always full of impossible times and scores. It was so common growing up that I just can't take a list like that seriously to this day, I absorbed it as a fact of life: 'if theres a list, someone HAS cheated to be at the top.'
I remember getting the ethernet adapter for my fat ps2, and played thps4 (pretty sure it was 4) online. There was this spot on one map with a bunch of curbs, and a quarter pipe at both ends. When the time was up, people would go for extra minutes of time tricking back and forth. Always wondered if they were cheating or not
@@catethps Yup I semi regularly play THUGPro and I'm no where near a top player but it's not uncommon for me to land combos in the billions and a lot of other players are able to play at the same level online.
I remember when the Sonic Forces speedrun community would take advantage of the "Free Rocket Power-up if you place on the leaderboard" mechanic. Needless to say, that didn't last long. Even though it's widely considered one of the worst Sonic games, people still wanted those 0.00.001 times. Insane.
It's a good analogy for real life, in which you either exploit or be exploited and the people at the top are a bunch of corrupt narcissistic robber barons
The most annoying part, is that when the online service was discontinued, the entirety of the leaderboard was frozen, which was pretty bloated with cheated times. You can still see the leaderboards today through the Mario Kart Wii Channel, which can be installed via Mario Kart Wii.
I legitimately cannot conceive going so low to cheat a TAS. The point of a TAS is to demonstrate the inhuman limit of a game, so why would you just throw that value away??? And it's a horrible long term plan, a TAS would be unusually suspicious if it didn't work on other people's copy of the game.
@@freedustin no no if you watch the video they cheated a TAS to force the time so low its literally impossible to replicate without doing EXACTLY what the cheater did (if you just loaded up a TAS you'd get a time MUCH slower as like OP said TAS is to show what the perfect humanly possible time is)
What's even more interesting (and hilarious), is that Black's Dry Dry Ruins TAS is actually spliced, which can be seen at 1:17 in the video on his own channel (not the in-game timer). The view of the camera shifts way too much in the span of the ~0.1 seconds that is skipped in the video, so it's not even just recording lag.
@@EjayB Ah, ok! And I see it now in his TAS. It's easy when looking at the palm tree, and Funky's orientation also changes a bit. Very strange that he would do this in a TAS. Splicing must have been more effort than just loading a savestate while making the TAS, but I guess he wasn't very good at TASing. Or maybe he had a desync he couldn't make work.
@@amaureaLua Black was famous for only TASing on his console instead of on an emulator. Doing so meant that he didn't have access to some tools (including savestates). So, every time Black wanted to redo a turn, he had to play the run's inputs from the beginning and wait until playback reached that turn. As for why he spliced the TAS, we have no idea. One theory is that he recorded a run and was unhappy with lap 3, however lost the ghost file for the run, so he had to remake lap 3 (from the lake cut onwards) using a different ghost. This is just speculation though. It all seems so much more unlikely than it just being a glitch with the game's camera, but we haven't seen the camera suddenly change like that in such a manner before, so that leaves us with accusatory options...
Gotta admit, out of all the "speedrunners caught cheating" stories I've heard, it's refreshing that Razor suggested ways his methods could be caught on other potential cheated runs. Disappointed he cheated, of course, but at least he was mature enough to quit when the jig was up.
My buddy and I actually remember the day that "memorial" video for Razor came out and joke about it to this day. "so we will you miss" is in our dictionary now.
I'm reminded of the video "devs react to Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2." The developers watched the at the time world record speedrun of the game and provide commentary about it. Whenever the leaderboard appeared on the screen, every level had a "world record" of 0.1 seconds. Some of the devs were confused and others said "yeah, we're working on that" in a defeated tone. The programmers of the game know things like this would happen, but it's up to the publisher to approve the implememtation of an anti-cheat.
Razor’s bizarre commitment to cheating in the most drastically high-effort ways makes him loop back over to him being a lovably crazy community villain for me. Cheating a TAS of all things is both very annoying but also incredibly funny
"cheat defender"? free speech: NOT ALLOWED! you have to agree with this guy 100% or get labeled and profiled. see what I mean about speed runners? theyre the only airline in town.
I remember the rampant cheating that went on, it made me quit online. Wanting to look cool for your friends isn't ok when you ruin it for others. But I still raced offline with my dad every day for years. Some of my best memories, I still love this game.
Now, this is a trip down memory lane, seeing those names again. I sometimes wonder what some of those players are up to nowadays and if they’re doing much better than these older times, since a lot of them were young at the time and probably didn’t know any better. It’s always interesting to see how much has progressed in this game, even during the older times to today.
My god...the memories. I was never a hardcore player like others, just a kid that was good with the Wii Wheel (made 8k VR before it was shut down) and I remember those hackers. Honestly, the chaos made it so much fun. Sometimes they weren't even cheating just to win, a few times we even got items raining from the sky.
Ever heard of Waluigi's line "Oh no, everybody cheated"? Welp, what was discussed in this video is the actual equivalent of that, especially with Razor faking a TAS and cheating WRs
Faking a TAS goes beyond what even Waluigi would consider acceptable. That's like faking your bank statements to get a loan on a house you clearly can't afford and seriously thinking you won't have to worry about the ultra high mortgage and interest.... then getting the landlord or county to evict you and nailing your door shut or destroying the property so they can't get back in. Like how LOST was this guy to cheat a TAS? I don't even want to see the look on his FACE when he submitted it....
@@MarioMastar I don't think he did submit it, I think he just posted a video on its own. If he'd submitted it then other TASers wouldn't have had to notice clues in the video to debunk it.
Gotta have verification and actual punishments. Don't just remove the score, remove the score and permanently ban the IP that submitted the cheated time, first offense every time. It won't stop cheating, but it will at least make sure people who do cheat are gone forever as they should be. Giving people who pull shit like this a second chance is childish and pointless, they know they shouldn't and do anyway, they should be gone forever who cares if they pretend to feel bad lol.
as someone who used to watch riolu this hit different, a guy who was probably one of the best players at the time, who could've gotten every record that he cheated without cheating, but did it anyways out of what we can only assume to be frustration of how long it took to grind the game. i just wish he'd released a statement instead of denying it all and leaving the internet for good :(
@@tsggggttvThat's what's up. It's like the whole white/black hat hacker thing. If you admit to doing this stuff BEFORE you start cheating/hacking then it's totally fine, but when these guys call themselves white/black hat hackers AFTER they got caught as if they're doing everyone a service, there's no sympathy. The jail time is justified as usually the thing that gets them caught in the first place is evidence that they profitted in some way off the hacking or cheating at the company's expense and the simple question "So if you knew about this exploit for over 9 months....why didn't you report it if the goal was mere white/black hat hacking?" and that's when they get a "Guilty" verdict. Every time....
0:45 poor brkirch... so, I was one of the core members of the Wii hacking community, and I just want everyone to know, we actually did try very hard to keep online hacks from being a thing. I actually inserted protection mechanisms into the remote debugger to prevent people who were using it to develop cheat codes in online mode. In all honesty it was painful to watch this, and my only consolation is that even if I had never contributed to the community, the older tools would have enabled all the same cheats (and bc of the protection I added, they probably were)
Nice video, I was a part of the TAS community back when all this stuff was going down and I never really got the full picture even back then. This clears things up a ton, cheers!
Was there no culture of releasing input files there? I come from a TASvideos background, and there the standard is to publish the input files, since those make it impossible to cheat without being caught.
Not at the time. Runs done on dolphin emulator didn't sync on console until dolphin 4.0 which came out much later. In fact runs across different versions of dolphin 3 wouldn't even sync. Everyone was using different versions of dolphin, Walter was making his TASes on a physical wii, it was a mess. There was also a fairly competitive nature to TAS times back then, people didn't want to share the inputs to their run because they didn't want their runs to be beaten easily by others (which is insane to think about). Lastly no one in the MKW TAS community expected a TAS run to be cheated so at the time we thought video of the replay was sufficient. @@amaureaLua
@@amaureaLua Back then, people were afraid someone would copy the run and redo the last turn to save .001 and steal the TAS record. Nowadays, you could try that for hours with some records and fail to save anything.
I find it funny that the player named "Razor" is a cheater when a few years prior, in Need for speed the main bad guy is named Razor and he cheated in the race that got him a BMW that he used to get to the top.
I remember near the end of MKWii's Online life I was yet to win a single online race but I always got real close, I eventually got my first win, but what do you know; some *PRICK* modded himself into P1 despite being completely stationary all race. I am still salty about this 11 years on.
i only ever played on online once and my internet was so bad i had no idea wtf was going on but now thinking back there were definately some cheaters. we were on grumble volcano and i remember seeing someone's icon zoom off into the corner of the map like, in the lava, then stay there for the majority of the race and they somehow got first. at the time i thought i was just lagging that bad the game was tweaking
I remember seeing gameplay footage of Mario kart Wii where the person playing was being griefed by a cheater who was summoning any item they wanted, like lightning, blue shells, and turning on stars to single out individual players. Probably stumbled across the video like 10 years ago and it made me sad to see how far the game had fallen
It seems a lot of games that introduced world wide online has caused the most toxic people to join the fandom. It was like that in pokemon too, where Gen 4 introduced the GTS system and suddenly every kid on the planet acted like anyone who likes the games before Gen 4 were scrubs while they bragged about thier all legendary shiny hacked teams destroying everyone online. That's really about the point where Pokemon stopped being the pokemon that got us into the games in the first place and it took many generations (and Dexit) to finally get rid of these toxic players and bring back the casuals again.
@@MarioMastar There's so much truth to your words. I find the same thing in Splatoon and other competitive games, so I just don't play online. Unfortunately, I see a lot of this in real life too. Especially as I'm going to school after doing world design for a story game for multiple years and making characters based on how humans act.
You don't even need to cheat to ruin a competitive game. Smurf accounts are higher level players, like fucking diamond/platinum level, who make fresh accounts and intentionally throw games to stay in the lower rankings because the higher one's aren't fun anymore since they don't win as much. Literally came across a guy in Overwatch who handed out his username and password to us lower level people and told us we could practice on the account but make sure to throw enough to keep it in bronze/silver, but not to make it TOO obvious we were throwing or the account would be banned. This was in a casual custom lobby btw. Absolutely wild and it didn't infuriate me until I found myself questioning if all the players on my team who weren't pulling their weight were just smurfs. I don't play competitive anything anymore. It just sucks the life out of me.
Imagine being ranked 7th in the world, thinking that you're just not trying hard enough and applying yourself like all those above you. Then the next day they're all exposed as cheaters and you're now #1 in the world. But you still have that feeling of dissatisfaction, so you start the grind. That's why competition is so core to speedrunning breakthroughs.
as someone who lives in hessen, everybody here is still devastated by Kevins/ Razors death, he was the best mario kart wii player of all time and the proud of our entire bundesland. they even built a funky kong statue in frankfurt for him
I don’t understand how anyone could be proud of someone who needs to cheat. I suggest that your community needs to revisit its values, or rather, the lack there of. Disgusting.
It’s incredible to me how people would rather fake it to be “the best” rather than truly being the best. At this point, the idea is much stronger than the actual accomplishment for the average person. If you truly hold a world record in anything you had put your heart and soul into, you prove beyond the idea that you are truly exceptional.
Hey I just wanna say as someone who played this game religiously as a kid and witnessed all the cheating bs first hand, this was a really interesting and well-made video! I always looked up to a lot of record-setters like Cole and Razor and I never knew the latter was such a fraud. And the fact that those 1 second records where the player kept running into the walls were just lap manipulation mods. I always thought it was a lot more complicated than that lol. Cant wait for pt 2!!!
this is a story that has never been covered comprehensively. thanks for giving it a closer look. :) looking forward to the mander video! he was a legend until he wasn’t. also that’s me commenting 13 years ago in the screenshot at 8:02 LOL
MY GOD you triggered some deep (and great) memories when i saw that gecko mod screen. That was what started my interest in computers :) I used to mod black ops on wii, fun stuff like moon jump, rapid fire, infinite ammo, etc. Some friends and I used to play sniper but with a rocket launcher on full auto and everyone with moonjump on the snowy map with the tower and the dish on the ground. Great times
I remember back in the earlier VInesauce days, (if anyone remembers) AuraPuffs used to do this all the time. Would always streamsnipe and use auto-join then win almost every single race. Until people started catching on then he would stop right before the finish line and take second. Always bothered me how the popular sentiment was that it was impossible to cheat in Mario Kart.
I knew Walter/Black personally back in the day. This was around 2009 before this whole cheating thing was really starting. He managed one day to be in the top 10 on Peach Beach and was very excited to tell me about. Together we made the RS-Clan (As seen in 7:23). We lost contact in 2010 because I stopped playing Mario Kart and it was the only thing that connected us (and a bit of Pokemon, where he traded me his cheated Pokemons.. ironic :D). It's funny how a full video about him is now online. Now Walter if you read this: Walter T. was ist mit dir passiert? Mach ma wieder den RS Clan auf :D. ~RS David or RS Dave (or however I called myself back when I was 14)
I believe the Mander response video was for a rainbow road wr with illegal last frame inputs as the moonview highway rapid fire was discovered later on as his last moonview highway wr didn’t use rapid fire, but rather the undetectable save states
By the time I got the Wii in 2008, Kart Wii's online reputation was already so bad that I only ever went online with friends on extremely rare occasions. I ended up preferring Brawl's online (as glitchy as it was) since the cheaters online in that community couldn't impact your rankings in any way.
Oh wow, I "knew" Razor. We were talking quite often on Skype over 10 years ago when I was like 12 years old - I even knew his girlfriend well. I remember him telling me how easy it is to perform TAS runs on console since I only thought it was possible on the computer. He would go on to show me his new TAS runs, videos about it and even talking about his "normal records". One time he showed me his remixes of popular video game themes, e.g. Tetris which I liked listening to (wonder if they are stolen too or something). I liked him. Sad to see that he cheated his runs and faked his death (wtf!?) but I gotta admit I like the fact that he went on and helped busting hackers and finding ways to do so. Your video really caught me off guard. I haven't heard from him since I "left" Skype 10 years ago and I thought he was a good guy.
Aw man I've got good hacker memories from 2009/2010, gave people free TC glitches and exclusively picked tracks with offroad and no cannon, always got last with the 35000vr hack so everyone got a TON of VR just for playing along :) Got hit with the 20102 code but I did get unbanned and never hacked after that. The Black TAS scandal, on the other hand, was pretty devastating. But the TAS community nowadays has been incredible - so thank you to the people who commit to making them ❤
This is only one half of the competitive history of the game. I used to play tournaments, leagues and clan wars around 2009-2014 and a lot of the "good" players were cheaters. Even i was accused in more than one time and put in conditionals (you had to stream to the other team captain from the moment you start your wii until you where in the private room). MKW is one of the best games ever and its a shame that it got ruined by cheaters. EDIT: a Friend just told me that i am referenced in 11:54 😂 My tag was MP Toti$ and the one in the video is MP Tortis. Someone copied my mii and did a cheated run just to diss me 🤣
Even as a casual player I can recognize the cheating in that TAS run for off road. Anyone who has played Mariokart for 5 minutes can tell you off road destroys your speed even if you barely touch it, regardless of your vehicle type. The only way (sort of) around it is with a mushroom, and even then you still feel it.
OMFG I remember seeing Razor's name on the official leaderboards when I was 10-11 years old! I always knew they were cheated. I just thought that there was no way somebody could be this perfect across so many courses. So glad I was right
It is very weird to see 12 year old posts in a successful UA-cam video. It was a fun time though and I really learned a lot regarding programming during that timeperoid.
I would haved loved to chat with you about this period in kart history, but I had no clue on how to contact you. What were your thoughts on manders Moonview Highway run after the script identified 2100 wheelie inputs and he maintained it was legit?
My goodness, I remember all of this stuff from 2011. Never thought I'd hear about Razor at this point in time. The mkw community was so wild to be a part of
I remember diligently checking the in-game leaderboards every day after school to see what was new, and remember seeing "ONEIROI". What wasn't mentioned in this video is that he seemed to have the record on almost every track, so it was very obvious something was up, though I was too young at the time to understand the concept of a TAS.
There's something a little amazing about a speedrun you can check at the input level. Definitely makes sense to go that route for ghost files, but there's not a lot of genres where things line up that nicely besides maybe rhythm games.
0:13 barely started watching this, and this screenshot already got me laughing lmao. "Yeah just complete a flap in 1/5 of a second ROFL" says every random casual trying to give advice to a speedrun veteran on how to improve 🤣
It's kinda interesting to see that after all that work, Razor ended up not just confessing, but also providing some tips to catch more cheaters. Pretty honourable move to be honest While on the other side of the coin, you have something even worse than a guy with alt accounts to cheat with: A closet cheater trying to blend in with the legit community
to Razors credit he did discover super grinding, though most credit at the time went to another cheater turned taser called Rocky who made the first 3lap tas with it
I remember a similar cheating epidemic in Rayman Legends, at least early after release. There were plenty of times on the leaderboards which were blatantly impossible to achieve, such as times of less than a second to complete a stage. This was the main reason i preferred doing distance-based challenges, because it at least seemed like the cheaters couldn't actually replicate going long distances.
I love messing around with games, creating scripts and mods and learning how some sections are made by code readup and cheating. But cheating for the sake of beating someone or ruining other player's experience?
Honestly with how easy it was to cheat, how prevalent cheating was and how hard to detect for certain for so long it's a wonder the speed runner community survived for this game.
I would also like to add that "Razor" and "Mia" are names that clearly reference the Need for Speed MW 2005 games and it's such a coincidence that they would be dating each other. It was undoubtedly one of his alts
So, while there will be a sequel to this video, it won't be my next video as something has come up that needs to be covered, but it will be the video after that
When you mentioned "rapid fire" I thought we would talk about the absolutely apocalyptic scenarios when cheaters would just cause for bob-ombs to rain on the track.
Had no idea that blackyboi was razor lol, I have heard of rapidfire before I read it on some forum which was talking about the legtiamacy of RusoX's N64BC runs. Obviously his ctgp runs were legit but apparently he used rapidfire on some of his N64BC runs
ah yeah mkw. i was one of those hackers that had a usb gecko and would make codes for this game. i played the crap out of this game legit and FTL cheating. its istill one of the greatest mk game to get released imo.
What they find from research keeps coming up: people who suck at things cheat less than people who have status. It's always comes down to status, or greed when there's prizes involved.
Took me a minute to realize the footage of Razor in the dessert ruins was from the German version. Didn't even notice until I saw "Fertig" when he crossed the finish line
As someone that has played competitive MKW on and off since launch, this is a great video! I even cheated in clan wars when I was 16 lol never in league matches, but I'm sure plenty of players did.
I got pretty into MK Wii online and encountered weird stuff, but more rare than you would think. The only blatant cheating I encountered was one guy who was throwing blue shells every second, even before the match started. most people just left the game, but I thought it was so funny at the time... I always noticed that the highest ranked players always played funky kong on the bike. I once played in a game where all 11 other players had the exact same build, and were all around 9500-9999 rating lol. Not sure if they were cheaters or just pro.
good video i remember being 12 years old and trying to get my dad to help me to install homebrew channel so i could spawn infinite items lol, its a good thing i wasnt successful, the hackers were pretty rampant sometimes
lol I remember as a kid seeing that someone had like a 20 second time on rainbow road and I was so shocked so I had to dowload the ghost to see what was happening. Imagine my suprise when it was just a guy infinitely driving off the edge. I watched it for like 20 minutes waiting for something to happen but it was literally just a loop of him respawning and then driving off the edge.
Forget time trials... Playing online in general became more of a hassle than it was worth. You literally had to "out cheat" other cheaters in order to win a race. Mario Kart DS had the same issue 😭
Oh yeah....I remember entering a race, and there'd be a cheater there. Spamming blue shells, stars and lightening.......made Mario kart wii infuriating.
Given Waluigi practically brags about cheating, he's probably the most honest character. XD That's why him on Mr Scooty was top tier in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for awhile.
0:55 This is sort of like the banana glitch in Mario Kart: Super Circuit (MKSC), except that DOESN'T require cheating, and is actually quite precise. To perform it, you must place a banana right next to a wall and be right behind the finish line. Then, you drive into the banana and bump into the wall to enter the "spinning uncontrollably" state. The game will think you're crossing the finish line on every other frame, so the race ends immediately, resulting in Flaps like 0"03 and 3lap times like 8"20 (This is an example). It can ONLY be done on tracks with walls on either side of the finish line (or only one side, like Boo Lake). It can only be done once on Boo Lake, though, because when you hit a block, it will instantly disappear, so you just fall off the track if you try to do it again, and nothing will happen. But there are also other tricks that cause lap skips, including one on Sky Garden that ONLY Yoshi can do. Anyways, that's enough rambling from me. Sorry for going into so much detail about ONE trick, but I hope this will help whoever reads this in some way. Also, nice vid! But damn, why cheat when this game is already broken to the core and has so many unintentional shortcuts? I just don't get it, honestly.
I remember joining an online room and the race ended in like 15 seconds and said I got last place me and my friend were confused on what was going on and chalked it up to glitches and hackers lol. After that I didn’t do online racing in mk wii. Still a fun game
Walter was actually a pretty good player - probably even a good bit better than me back then. That's also what made it so hard to proof that he was cheating. I remember hopping into a stream of his back then and he apparently was running live runs on some tracks (doing stuff the audience told him) and getting pretty good times. Too bad he found it necessary to cheat to improve his times ever so slightly ... :(
I used to grind time trails ghosts all day as a child trying to improve my times... I always knew there were cheats being used to make those bogus times but learning all these specific ways really bums me out.
Funny, cuz Razor is also the name of the number 1 Black List opponent in Need For Speed: Most Wanted, who in the beginning of the game cheats to beat you and take your car, which he then uses against you in the end basically to brag.
Back in 2011, i was in contact with Walter (razor), he is Austrian and i am German and he initially helped me creating a custom track.. but even though i did the majority of work, he wanted half of the credit for it, what i didn't accept... It's interesting to see that he was such a heavy cheater, always was a bit suspicious about him...
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@@Bulliegh According to Merriam-Webster, another definition for synonymous is, "having the same connotations, implications, or reference," with their given example being, "to runners, Boston is synonymous with marathon."
Try to actually *verify* yourself before being a prick online.
I remember seeing those absurd 1 second times back then and somehow thinking they were legit, so I replicated the nonsense driving that was shown in the replay thinking that hitting the obstacles in a certain order would be a secret way to get a time like that
yeah same
I remember a record on Luigi's circuit, as the baby luigi ghost would keep hitting the walls randomly my child self thought It was a glitch and i tried to do it😭😭
I noticed the same thing, but I didn't think they were legit because the time trial ghosts never finished the course. Interestingly, one of those was of the Mushroom Gorge Ultra Shortcut, but I didn't think it was legitimate despite finishing the course because it just didn't make sense to me at the time until I discovered SummoningSalt's Ultra SC video years later and finally learned the truth.
Me too bro, my cousin even had the home brew channel and so he convinced me he actually figured out what to do
I remember one of these on moo moo Meadows now that i think about it
Back in the day there was a clan of hackers here on UA-cam that exclusively played Toadette, but they didn't cheat on the leaderboards or cheat to win races, they just cheated to be silly out of bounds during races (like transforming into giant bullet bills and driving in circles in the background of a race). I wish more people did stuff like that instead of just cheating to win and ruin everyone's game.
So they are the friendlies of cheaters?
@yeah basically - their tag was FTL (for the lose - because they were intentionally trolling)
@@Starwort i think we're talking about different groups but it's nice that there were others also
@@iilikecereal I'll be honest I never encountered any troll hackers when I was playing mkw; I guess I was never really on at times/levels where they were - but I *do* remember old mrbean35000vr videos where he's tagged FTL and doing a bunch of trolling lol
Agreed, fun cheaters were pretty great. One of my friends, Ness, was the fun cheater type. He used a Mii I made of the Masked Man from Mother 3 and would go around giving everyone thunder clouds for speed boosts and stars to just screw around for funsies. There was a video of us just ramming the poor cows on Moo Moo Farm with the stars before. Whenever a cheater that's out to harass the other players would join the room, Ness/Masked Man would go after that guy and fight back until they'd leave to go get their jollies elsewhere in a less protected room.
razor pretending to have died and posting his own memorial video is so insanely funny
Reminds me of the guy who was making a 2D Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time game in RPG Maker many MANY years ago who faked his death because he didn't want to work on it anymore. Was a shame, what he had was pretty nice, but I guess the pressure got to him. Though at least he was working on something cool and positive for the community. This guy faking his death from cheating...a lot of people legit wish he REALLY died. he has no shame so why would we feel sorry for him?
@@MarioMastarfear o nintendo i guess
@@MarioMastar dude he was cheating at a video game, no need to get all sociopathic over fucking mario kart
typical 13 year old move, classic
@MarioMastar It goes to show the error of assuming there is a "community." Top speed runners certainly form one. But fans of a game don't, not just by playing the same game, and most people who think of themselves as part of such a "community" have no stake in it & can't expect it from others.
Cheating in a TAS is next level dishonesty.
This is also why TASes should always be released as input files that others can play back, instead of just as videos. This makes it impossible to cheat, since the inputs made with cheats on wouldn't make sense without those cheats. When others play back the inputs without the cheats enabled, the movement of the character would get out of sync with what the inputs assume, typically bonking into walls or falling into pits, and definitely not finishing in record time.
All records on TASVideos are done via input files and are therefore cheat-proof, but not all tasing is done there, and sadly just publishing a video on youtube is pretty common and very easy to fake.
Input files are just a few kB in size, so there's really no excuse not to publish them. That's why I think it's a bit suspicious when people don't.
mkw tases have the same verification process as you mentioned, it just took as of recent for it to be applied.@@amaureaLua
Cheating on a TAS is the same as the guy who tried making up an element
@@amaureaLua nowadays the MKW TAS community has standardized submitting RKGs for BKTs publicly
It's also an oxymoron
Around that time of early internet access games, no matter what the game was, if there was a high score list it was always full of impossible times and scores. It was so common growing up that I just can't take a list like that seriously to this day, I absorbed it as a fact of life: 'if theres a list, someone HAS cheated to be at the top.'
I remember getting the ethernet adapter for my fat ps2, and played thps4 (pretty sure it was 4) online. There was this spot on one map with a bunch of curbs, and a quarter pipe at both ends. When the time was up, people would go for extra minutes of time tricking back and forth. Always wondered if they were cheating or not
@@JK-gm6kk nah that's real, people can get billions of points legitimately especially with that line (which i believe is the one on san francisco)
@@catethps Yup I semi regularly play THUGPro and I'm no where near a top player but it's not uncommon for me to land combos in the billions and a lot of other players are able to play at the same level online.
I remember when the Sonic Forces speedrun community would take advantage of the "Free Rocket Power-up if you place on the leaderboard" mechanic. Needless to say, that didn't last long. Even though it's widely considered one of the worst Sonic games, people still wanted those 0.00.001 times. Insane.
It's a good analogy for real life, in which you either exploit or be exploited and the people at the top are a bunch of corrupt narcissistic robber barons
The most annoying part, is that when the online service was discontinued, the entirety of the leaderboard was frozen, which was pretty bloated with cheated times. You can still see the leaderboards today through the Mario Kart Wii Channel, which can be installed via Mario Kart Wii.
Thats the leaderboard your Wii had downloaded into its savegame back then. Since the servers are offline there is nothing to download.
Or the Vimn site 🤫
Wiimfi exist
@@ZACKMAN2007 Yeah, but they have specific rules put in to not allow cheating or stuff like ultra cuts in specific regions.
I legitimately cannot conceive going so low to cheat a TAS. The point of a TAS is to demonstrate the inhuman limit of a game, so why would you just throw that value away??? And it's a horrible long term plan, a TAS would be unusually suspicious if it didn't work on other people's copy of the game.
It's not cheating a TAS. It's cheating to present a TAS as a real time run.
He also cheated a TAS to make it seem like that one late start skip was possible when it wasnt and switched the offroas friction values to get TAS WR
@@freedustin watch the video
No one said cheaters were smart
@@freedustin no no if you watch the video they cheated a TAS to force the time so low its literally impossible to replicate without doing EXACTLY what the cheater did (if you just loaded up a TAS you'd get a time MUCH slower as like OP said TAS is to show what the perfect humanly possible time is)
What's even more interesting (and hilarious), is that Black's Dry Dry Ruins TAS is actually spliced, which can be seen at 1:17 in the video on his own channel (not the in-game timer). The view of the camera shifts way too much in the span of the ~0.1 seconds that is skipped in the video, so it's not even just recording lag.
1:17 in the video doesn't show Dry Dry Ruin's, and the video is blurred and in the background there. Did you make a typo in the timestamp?
@@amaureaLuaon his tas, not this video
@@amaureaLua ^ I left a reply earlier but not sure if it went through, so I edited my comment to make that clearer
@@EjayB Ah, ok! And I see it now in his TAS. It's easy when looking at the palm tree, and Funky's orientation also changes a bit. Very strange that he would do this in a TAS. Splicing must have been more effort than just loading a savestate while making the TAS, but I guess he wasn't very good at TASing. Or maybe he had a desync he couldn't make work.
@@amaureaLua Black was famous for only TASing on his console instead of on an emulator. Doing so meant that he didn't have access to some tools (including savestates). So, every time Black wanted to redo a turn, he had to play the run's inputs from the beginning and wait until playback reached that turn.
As for why he spliced the TAS, we have no idea. One theory is that he recorded a run and was unhappy with lap 3, however lost the ghost file for the run, so he had to remake lap 3 (from the lake cut onwards) using a different ghost. This is just speculation though. It all seems so much more unlikely than it just being a glitch with the game's camera, but we haven't seen the camera suddenly change like that in such a manner before, so that leaves us with accusatory options...
Gotta admit, out of all the "speedrunners caught cheating" stories I've heard, it's refreshing that Razor suggested ways his methods could be caught on other potential cheated runs. Disappointed he cheated, of course, but at least he was mature enough to quit when the jig was up.
My buddy and I actually remember the day that "memorial" video for Razor came out and joke about it to this day. "so we will you miss" is in our dictionary now.
waltuh... put your tools away waltuh... I'm not accepting your 1:42.155 on DDR right now waltuh
i get it
Walter White when Walter “Blacky” Black pulls up on Funky Kong’s bike:
"I _am_ the one who cheats their way to the top of the leaderboards."
Funkyberg
@@MeesterTweester helo
I'm reminded of the video "devs react to Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2." The developers watched the at the time world record speedrun of the game and provide commentary about it. Whenever the leaderboard appeared on the screen, every level had a "world record" of 0.1 seconds. Some of the devs were confused and others said "yeah, we're working on that" in a defeated tone. The programmers of the game know things like this would happen, but it's up to the publisher to approve the implememtation of an anti-cheat.
Razor’s bizarre commitment to cheating in the most drastically high-effort ways makes him loop back over to him being a lovably crazy community villain for me. Cheating a TAS of all things is both very annoying but also incredibly funny
This is absolute slander.
Funky Kong would never cheat.
Your comment had me going "oh no, is this a cheat defender" at first, since the preview only showed the top line. You got me.
@@Abyssoft XD Not my intention, but I'll take it. Love your content!
IDK man, his gameplay looked a bit... Funky
you dont become the only airline in town by playing fair
"cheat defender"? free speech: NOT ALLOWED!
you have to agree with this guy 100% or get labeled and profiled.
see what I mean about speed runners? theyre the only airline in town.
Razor, Mia, Ronnie, safe to assume that cheater liked Need for Speed Most Wanted (2005).
Haha, nice catch!
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Razor’s canonical name is Clarence
@@perrywclifton and he lives at home with both parents 😅
@@FM-ny6cn And Clarence's Parents have a real good marriage.
Razor even cheats in the beginning by sabotaging your car! It was spelled out!
I remember the rampant cheating that went on, it made me quit online. Wanting to look cool for your friends isn't ok when you ruin it for others. But I still raced offline with my dad every day for years. Some of my best memories, I still love this game.
Now, this is a trip down memory lane, seeing those names again. I sometimes wonder what some of those players are up to nowadays and if they’re doing much better than these older times, since a lot of them were young at the time and probably didn’t know any better. It’s always interesting to see how much has progressed in this game, even during the older times to today.
Cheating in a TAS is something I never heard of... congrats to Razor for being completely crazy.
Someone cheating in a TAS sounds like a comedic bit, the fact that it actually happened is so crazy
My brother cheated in mario cart all the time. He'd constantly hit my controller every time I got close to passing him.
Kart*
main kamp*
That’s why I like to play at a distance
Kinda funny
"Don't get off the Mario Bros bus analogy yet"
Thank you for this wonderful line
My god...the memories. I was never a hardcore player like others, just a kid that was good with the Wii Wheel (made 8k VR before it was shut down) and I remember those hackers. Honestly, the chaos made it so much fun. Sometimes they weren't even cheating just to win, a few times we even got items raining from the sky.
Ever heard of Waluigi's line "Oh no, everybody cheated"? Welp, what was discussed in this video is the actual equivalent of that, especially with Razor faking a TAS and cheating WRs
Faking a TAS goes beyond what even Waluigi would consider acceptable. That's like faking your bank statements to get a loan on a house you clearly can't afford and seriously thinking you won't have to worry about the ultra high mortgage and interest.... then getting the landlord or county to evict you and nailing your door shut or destroying the property so they can't get back in. Like how LOST was this guy to cheat a TAS? I don't even want to see the look on his FACE when he submitted it....
@@MarioMastar I don't think he did submit it, I think he just posted a video on its own. If he'd submitted it then other TASers wouldn't have had to notice clues in the video to debunk it.
It's hilarious how this is almost exactly the same thing that happened in Trackmania a few years ago. In-game verification is never enough it seems.
This was the first thing that came to mind to me, too. Especially the slo-mo thing.
damn, I'd completely forgotten that clusterfuck of a leaderboard. definitely see it now you point it out though
Gotta have verification and actual punishments. Don't just remove the score, remove the score and permanently ban the IP that submitted the cheated time, first offense every time. It won't stop cheating, but it will at least make sure people who do cheat are gone forever as they should be. Giving people who pull shit like this a second chance is childish and pointless, they know they shouldn't and do anyway, they should be gone forever who cares if they pretend to feel bad lol.
as someone who used to watch riolu this hit different, a guy who was probably one of the best players at the time, who could've gotten every record that he cheated without cheating, but did it anyways out of what we can only assume to be frustration of how long it took to grind the game. i just wish he'd released a statement instead of denying it all and leaving the internet for good :(
@@tsggggttvThat's what's up. It's like the whole white/black hat hacker thing. If you admit to doing this stuff BEFORE you start cheating/hacking then it's totally fine, but when these guys call themselves white/black hat hackers AFTER they got caught as if they're doing everyone a service, there's no sympathy. The jail time is justified as usually the thing that gets them caught in the first place is evidence that they profitted in some way off the hacking or cheating at the company's expense and the simple question "So if you knew about this exploit for over 9 months....why didn't you report it if the goal was mere white/black hat hacking?" and that's when they get a "Guilty" verdict. Every time....
0:45 poor brkirch... so, I was one of the core members of the Wii hacking community, and I just want everyone to know, we actually did try very hard to keep online hacks from being a thing. I actually inserted protection mechanisms into the remote debugger to prevent people who were using it to develop cheat codes in online mode. In all honesty it was painful to watch this, and my only consolation is that even if I had never contributed to the community, the older tools would have enabled all the same cheats (and bc of the protection I added, they probably were)
Nice video, I was a part of the TAS community back when all this stuff was going down and I never really got the full picture even back then. This clears things up a ton, cheers!
Was there no culture of releasing input files there? I come from a TASvideos background, and there the standard is to publish the input files, since those make it impossible to cheat without being caught.
Not at the time. Runs done on dolphin emulator didn't sync on console until dolphin 4.0 which came out much later. In fact runs across different versions of dolphin 3 wouldn't even sync. Everyone was using different versions of dolphin, Walter was making his TASes on a physical wii, it was a mess. There was also a fairly competitive nature to TAS times back then, people didn't want to share the inputs to their run because they didn't want their runs to be beaten easily by others (which is insane to think about). Lastly no one in the MKW TAS community expected a TAS run to be cheated so at the time we thought video of the replay was sufficient. @@amaureaLua
@@amaureaLua Back then, people were afraid someone would copy the run and redo the last turn to save .001 and steal the TAS record. Nowadays, you could try that for hours with some records and fail to save anything.
I find it funny that the player named "Razor" is a cheater when a few years prior, in Need for speed the main bad guy is named Razor and he cheated in the race that got him a BMW that he used to get to the top.
I remember near the end of MKWii's Online life I was yet to win a single online race but I always got real close, I eventually got my first win, but what do you know; some *PRICK* modded himself into P1 despite being completely stationary all race. I am still salty about this 11 years on.
Damn
i only ever played on online once and my internet was so bad i had no idea wtf was going on but now thinking back there were definately some cheaters. we were on grumble volcano and i remember seeing someone's icon zoom off into the corner of the map like, in the lava, then stay there for the majority of the race and they somehow got first. at the time i thought i was just lagging that bad the game was tweaking
It's just a kids game holy shit edge lord
I remember seeing gameplay footage of Mario kart Wii where the person playing was being griefed by a cheater who was summoning any item they wanted, like lightning, blue shells, and turning on stars to single out individual players.
Probably stumbled across the video like 10 years ago and it made me sad to see how far the game had fallen
It seems a lot of games that introduced world wide online has caused the most toxic people to join the fandom. It was like that in pokemon too, where Gen 4 introduced the GTS system and suddenly every kid on the planet acted like anyone who likes the games before Gen 4 were scrubs while they bragged about thier all legendary shiny hacked teams destroying everyone online. That's really about the point where Pokemon stopped being the pokemon that got us into the games in the first place and it took many generations (and Dexit) to finally get rid of these toxic players and bring back the casuals again.
@@MarioMastar There's so much truth to your words. I find the same thing in Splatoon and other competitive games, so I just don't play online. Unfortunately, I see a lot of this in real life too. Especially as I'm going to school after doing world design for a story game for multiple years and making characters based on how humans act.
You don't even need to cheat to ruin a competitive game. Smurf accounts are higher level players, like fucking diamond/platinum level, who make fresh accounts and intentionally throw games to stay in the lower rankings because the higher one's aren't fun anymore since they don't win as much. Literally came across a guy in Overwatch who handed out his username and password to us lower level people and told us we could practice on the account but make sure to throw enough to keep it in bronze/silver, but not to make it TOO obvious we were throwing or the account would be banned. This was in a casual custom lobby btw. Absolutely wild and it didn't infuriate me until I found myself questioning if all the players on my team who weren't pulling their weight were just smurfs.
I don't play competitive anything anymore. It just sucks the life out of me.
Imagine being ranked 7th in the world, thinking that you're just not trying hard enough and applying yourself like all those above you. Then the next day they're all exposed as cheaters and you're now #1 in the world. But you still have that feeling of dissatisfaction, so you start the grind. That's why competition is so core to speedrunning breakthroughs.
as someone who lives in hessen, everybody here is still devastated by Kevins/ Razors death, he was the best mario kart wii player of all time and the proud of our entire bundesland. they even built a funky kong statue in frankfurt for him
I don’t understand how anyone could be proud of someone who needs to cheat. I suggest that your community needs to revisit its values, or rather, the lack there of. Disgusting.
@@JoeOvercoatTake down the funky kong statue, I say
Ernsthaft? Das will ich sehen.
In welcher Straße ist das und ist es Frankfurt am Main oder Oder?
@@reel8284 dikka lass dich doch nicht verarschen junge
@@JoeOvercoatinsane bait
Probs not the first to notice this, but Razor, Mia and Ronny are all characters from NFSMW(2005).
And Razor cheated in the begining of the race by sabotaging you car
It’s incredible to me how people would rather fake it to be “the best” rather than truly being the best. At this point, the idea is much stronger than the actual accomplishment for the average person. If you truly hold a world record in anything you had put your heart and soul into, you prove beyond the idea that you are truly exceptional.
Hey I just wanna say as someone who played this game religiously as a kid and witnessed all the cheating bs first hand, this was a really interesting and well-made video! I always looked up to a lot of record-setters like Cole and Razor and I never knew the latter was such a fraud. And the fact that those 1 second records where the player kept running into the walls were just lap manipulation mods. I always thought it was a lot more complicated than that lol. Cant wait for pt 2!!!
Waluigi warned us this would happen.
this is a story that has never been covered comprehensively. thanks for giving it a closer look. :) looking forward to the mander video! he was a legend until he wasn’t.
also that’s me commenting 13 years ago in the screenshot at 8:02 LOL
MY GOD you triggered some deep (and great) memories when i saw that gecko mod screen. That was what started my interest in computers :) I used to mod black ops on wii, fun stuff like moon jump, rapid fire, infinite ammo, etc. Some friends and I used to play sniper but with a rocket launcher on full auto and everyone with moonjump on the snowy map with the tower and the dish on the ground. Great times
6:35 wtf malleo was banned at one point LOL that's crazy
looool
I mean, in those days he was always hanging with shady types like Shwam and Brian, so not that surprising.
I thought this was older
Turns out it’s 1 hour old
Bro I’m going to hear about Mander one of these days, I’m hooked
I remember back in the earlier VInesauce days, (if anyone remembers) AuraPuffs used to do this all the time. Would always streamsnipe and use auto-join then win almost every single race. Until people started catching on then he would stop right before the finish line and take second. Always bothered me how the popular sentiment was that it was impossible to cheat in Mario Kart.
I knew Walter/Black personally back in the day. This was around 2009 before this whole cheating thing was really starting. He managed one day to be in the top 10 on Peach Beach and was very excited to tell me about. Together we made the RS-Clan (As seen in 7:23). We lost contact in 2010 because I stopped playing Mario Kart and it was the only thing that connected us (and a bit of Pokemon, where he traded me his cheated Pokemons.. ironic :D). It's funny how a full video about him is now online.
Now Walter if you read this:
Walter T. was ist mit dir passiert? Mach ma wieder den RS Clan auf :D.
~RS David or RS Dave (or however I called myself back when I was 14)
Hearting this hopefully Razor see's this and you get a reply.
@@Abyssoft oh yeah hopefully. And also great video Abyssoft! Looking forward to the next one :)
@@Abyssoftheart disappeared after OP made an edit. may want to re-add it?
@@smolbrendan5978 i only fixed some grammatical errors :(
They literally spelled flights wrong… 1:52
I believe the Mander response video was for a rainbow road wr with illegal last frame inputs as the moonview highway rapid fire was discovered later on as his last moonview highway wr didn’t use rapid fire, but rather the undetectable save states
By the time I got the Wii in 2008, Kart Wii's online reputation was already so bad that I only ever went online with friends on extremely rare occasions. I ended up preferring Brawl's online (as glitchy as it was) since the cheaters online in that community couldn't impact your rankings in any way.
I didn’t bother with online.
cheating a TAS is one of the wildest things to do lmao
Oh wow, I "knew" Razor. We were talking quite often on Skype over 10 years ago when I was like 12 years old - I even knew his girlfriend well. I remember him telling me how easy it is to perform TAS runs on console since I only thought it was possible on the computer. He would go on to show me his new TAS runs, videos about it and even talking about his "normal records". One time he showed me his remixes of popular video game themes, e.g. Tetris which I liked listening to (wonder if they are stolen too or something). I liked him.
Sad to see that he cheated his runs and faked his death (wtf!?) but I gotta admit I like the fact that he went on and helped busting hackers and finding ways to do so.
Your video really caught me off guard. I haven't heard from him since I "left" Skype 10 years ago and I thought he was a good guy.
Aw man I've got good hacker memories from 2009/2010, gave people free TC glitches and exclusively picked tracks with offroad and no cannon, always got last with the 35000vr hack so everyone got a TON of VR just for playing along :)
Got hit with the 20102 code but I did get unbanned and never hacked after that.
The Black TAS scandal, on the other hand, was pretty devastating. But the TAS community nowadays has been incredible - so thank you to the people who commit to making them ❤
I've been in the community for a long while and hearing that Razor being Blackyboi39 had blown my mind
Same as him being TNPRonny like how the fuck
FR, I remember beating BlackyBoi online in the day and being like hell yeah, beating a WR holder…..it was all a lie lol
This is only one half of the competitive history of the game. I used to play tournaments, leagues and clan wars around 2009-2014 and a lot of the "good" players were cheaters. Even i was accused in more than one time and put in conditionals (you had to stream to the other team captain from the moment you start your wii until you where in the private room).
MKW is one of the best games ever and its a shame that it got ruined by cheaters.
EDIT: a Friend just told me that i am referenced in 11:54 😂
My tag was MP Toti$ and the one in the video is MP Tortis. Someone copied my mii and did a cheated run just to diss me 🤣
1:07
ET phoned home in a fraction of a fraction of a second
Even as a casual player I can recognize the cheating in that TAS run for off road. Anyone who has played Mariokart for 5 minutes can tell you off road destroys your speed even if you barely touch it, regardless of your vehicle type. The only way (sort of) around it is with a mushroom, and even then you still feel it.
OMFG I remember seeing Razor's name on the official leaderboards when I was 10-11 years old! I always knew they were cheated. I just thought that there was no way somebody could be this perfect across so many courses. So glad I was right
I remember this back in the day, I was like there's no way they're that faster than me
It is very weird to see 12 year old posts in a successful UA-cam video. It was a fun time though and I really learned a lot regarding programming during that timeperoid.
I would haved loved to chat with you about this period in kart history, but I had no clue on how to contact you.
What were your thoughts on manders Moonview Highway run after the script identified 2100 wheelie inputs and he maintained it was legit?
My goodness, I remember all of this stuff from 2011. Never thought I'd hear about Razor at this point in time. The mkw community was so wild to be a part of
I remember diligently checking the in-game leaderboards every day after school to see what was new, and remember seeing "ONEIROI". What wasn't mentioned in this video is that he seemed to have the record on almost every track, so it was very obvious something was up, though I was too young at the time to understand the concept of a TAS.
The post at 4:32 mentions it though
There's something a little amazing about a speedrun you can check at the input level. Definitely makes sense to go that route for ghost files, but there's not a lot of genres where things line up that nicely besides maybe rhythm games.
0:13 barely started watching this, and this screenshot already got me laughing lmao. "Yeah just complete a flap in 1/5 of a second ROFL" says every random casual trying to give advice to a speedrun veteran on how to improve 🤣
It's kinda interesting to see that after all that work, Razor ended up not just confessing, but also providing some tips to catch more cheaters. Pretty honourable move to be honest
While on the other side of the coin, you have something even worse than a guy with alt accounts to cheat with: A closet cheater trying to blend in with the legit community
to Razors credit he did discover super grinding, though most credit at the time went to another cheater turned taser called Rocky who made the first 3lap tas with it
I remember a similar cheating epidemic in Rayman Legends, at least early after release. There were plenty of times on the leaderboards which were blatantly impossible to achieve, such as times of less than a second to complete a stage.
This was the main reason i preferred doing distance-based challenges, because it at least seemed like the cheaters couldn't actually replicate going long distances.
Note that i'm referring to the ingame challenge leaderboards, not to speedrun sites.
I love messing around with games, creating scripts and mods and learning how some sections are made by code readup and cheating.
But cheating for the sake of beating someone or ruining other player's experience?
Honestly with how easy it was to cheat, how prevalent cheating was and how hard to detect for certain for so long it's a wonder the speed runner community survived for this game.
I would also like to add that "Razor" and "Mia" are names that clearly reference the Need for Speed MW 2005 games and it's such a coincidence that they would be dating each other. It was undoubtedly one of his alts
He was active in those games as well iirc
@@Abyssoft That makes total sense
Looking foward for the next video
So, while there will be a sequel to this video, it won't be my next video as something has come up that needs to be covered, but it will be the video after that
Same
same
When you mentioned "rapid fire" I thought we would talk about the absolutely apocalyptic scenarios when cheaters would just cause for bob-ombs to rain on the track.
Had no idea that blackyboi was razor lol, I have heard of rapidfire before I read it on some forum which was talking about the legtiamacy of RusoX's N64BC runs. Obviously his ctgp runs were legit but apparently he used rapidfire on some of his N64BC runs
ah yeah mkw. i was one of those hackers that had a usb gecko and would make codes for this game. i played the crap out of this game legit and FTL cheating. its istill one of the greatest mk game to get released imo.
What they find from research keeps coming up: people who suck at things cheat less than people who have status. It's always comes down to status, or greed when there's prizes involved.
Took me a minute to realize the footage of Razor in the dessert ruins was from the German version. Didn't even notice until I saw "Fertig" when he crossed the finish line
As someone that has played competitive MKW on and off since launch, this is a great video! I even cheated in clan wars when I was 16 lol never in league matches, but I'm sure plenty of players did.
I got pretty into MK Wii online and encountered weird stuff, but more rare than you would think.
The only blatant cheating I encountered was one guy who was throwing blue shells every second, even before the match started. most people just left the game, but I thought it was so funny at the time...
I always noticed that the highest ranked players always played funky kong on the bike. I once played in a game where all 11 other players had the exact same build, and were all around 9500-9999 rating lol. Not sure if they were cheaters or just pro.
Holy shit i remember blackyboi, i loved his runs 😭 wild to see him in this
good video i remember being 12 years old and trying to get my dad to help me to install homebrew channel so i could spawn infinite items lol, its a good thing i wasnt successful, the hackers were pretty rampant sometimes
lol I remember as a kid seeing that someone had like a 20 second time on rainbow road and I was so shocked so I had to dowload the ghost to see what was happening. Imagine my suprise when it was just a guy infinitely driving off the edge. I watched it for like 20 minutes waiting for something to happen but it was literally just a loop of him respawning and then driving off the edge.
6:40 Wait wtf Malleo?! Like THE TASMalleo of MKWii fame?
shout out Maschell for making a script to bust everyone lmao.
Forget time trials... Playing online in general became more of a hassle than it was worth. You literally had to "out cheat" other cheaters in order to win a race. Mario Kart DS had the same issue 😭
This reminds me of GTA4 PC.
Everyone in freeroam had cheats on. It was a special time.
Oh yeah....I remember entering a race, and there'd be a cheater there. Spamming blue shells, stars and lightening.......made Mario kart wii infuriating.
Funky Kong goes to jail for cheating at professional sports, meanwhile Waluigi looks around sweating nervously
Given Waluigi practically brags about cheating, he's probably the most honest character. XD That's why him on Mr Scooty was top tier in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for awhile.
Damn that cliffhanger ending was better than most movies
0:55 This is sort of like the banana glitch in Mario Kart: Super Circuit (MKSC), except that DOESN'T require cheating, and is actually quite precise. To perform it, you must place a banana right next to a wall and be right behind the finish line. Then, you drive into the banana and bump into the wall to enter the "spinning uncontrollably" state. The game will think you're crossing the finish line on every other frame, so the race ends immediately, resulting in Flaps like 0"03 and 3lap times like 8"20 (This is an example). It can ONLY be done on tracks with walls on either side of the finish line (or only one side, like Boo Lake). It can only be done once on Boo Lake, though, because when you hit a block, it will instantly disappear, so you just fall off the track if you try to do it again, and nothing will happen. But there are also other tricks that cause lap skips, including one on Sky Garden that ONLY Yoshi can do. Anyways, that's enough rambling from me. Sorry for going into so much detail about ONE trick, but I hope this will help whoever reads this in some way.
Also, nice vid! But damn, why cheat when this game is already broken to the core and has so many unintentional shortcuts? I just don't get it, honestly.
I remember joining an online room and the race ended in like 15 seconds and said I got last place me and my friend were confused on what was going on and chalked it up to glitches and hackers lol. After that I didn’t do online racing in mk wii. Still a fun game
As a casual Mario Kart enjoyer, great video this was super interesting.
Early online gaming was such a vibe.
Diablo 1 battle net.
Starcraft brood war ^^
I remember trying so hard to get good times. Then starting to realize how many players that were cheating. After that. I didn't trust any Funky Kong.
so this is where rockstar got the "wheelie increases max speed" nonsense from
Bikes being able to wheelie was already a thing in Midnight Club II.
I still have a Wii with the homebrew channel. An SD card went a long way with that system.
Walter was actually a pretty good player - probably even a good bit better than me back then. That's also what made it so hard to proof that he was cheating. I remember hopping into a stream of his back then and he apparently was running live runs on some tracks (doing stuff the audience told him) and getting pretty good times. Too bad he found it necessary to cheat to improve his times ever so slightly ... :(
actual blast from the past. i remember so many of these old names. sometimes i miss playing still...
I used to grind time trails ghosts all day as a child trying to improve my times... I always knew there were cheats being used to make those bogus times but learning all these specific ways really bums me out.
Lapping players on nearly every map online became just too boring lol
Imagine being such a prolific cheater that you fake your own death to avoid punishment
the dedication is admirable.
9:10 I was fully expecting you to say "he cheated a WR while being allegedly dead", with him faking his death and whatnot.
Funny, cuz Razor is also the name of the number 1 Black List opponent in Need For Speed: Most Wanted, who in the beginning of the game cheats to beat you and take your car, which he then uses against you in the end basically to brag.
Razor/Black got detroyed by an actual WR holder on Dry Dry Ruins, people already knew he was TRASH.
Back in 2011, i was in contact with Walter (razor), he is Austrian and i am German and he initially helped me creating a custom track.. but even though i did the majority of work, he wanted half of the credit for it, what i didn't accept... It's interesting to see that he was such a heavy cheater, always was a bit suspicious about him...
i remember being just a kid and being in a lobby full of people spamming bullet bills. 😮💨 not cool dudes!