There is an interior brightness dial on the left side of the steering column. When that is clicked into its maximum position it forces the display to maximum brightness. Move it out of that maximum brightness click and it should dim.
I purchased the exact same car a few weeks ago, and overall I really like it. I'm mainly driving this for business, and want reasonable gas mileage, so I went with the V6. I test drove the V8 and liked it, but the fuel economy was horrible. I did a 425 mile round trip the other day on its second tank of gas, and got 23MPG, which was not bad given the engine is not broke in yet, and I was going over 75Mph. I got back to town with a bit over a quarter of tank of gas, and it said that I had 90 miles left until empty. I agree with you on the seats being hard, however the leg support in the drivers seat is great, and the lumbar support is also wonderful. You have the ability to adjust the lumber from soft to hard, and you can move that support point up and down in the seat, which made a long day in the car very comfortable. I'm seeing the exact same cell phone connection issues using wireless Android Auto, so its interesting that you saw the same thing with Apple Car Play. This is starting to really irritate me ,and I've already contacted the dealer who said that its a known issue that they are waiting on a software patch to fix. Here are my two main points of irritation: 1) No button on the dash or touchscreen to open the back tailgate/hatch. I've looked everyone to find it and I've not been successful. 2) No dedicated button to switch on the front camera when pulling into a parking spot. I have to go through 2 or 3 touches on the big screen to activate that feature. My wife's 2021 Toyota Venza switches on the front camera when the parking sensors are triggered, very nice feature. I think once they get the infotainment software bugs fixed then I will be very happy with this purchase. Your video on this car was by far the best that I've watched!! Kent K.
We have an overland with the V8 got over 20mpg driving to AZ the rear hatch button is up top by the sunroof controls. I agree about the cam would love it to be easier to access when parking
We have one ourselves 22 Summit, you can add the trail cam and 360 cam shortcut on the main home screen, top of the screen, if you scroll downwards from the middle clock, it gives you options , which you can drag and replace small buttons on the top of the screen, which are located near your driver profile button. Hope this helps, as my wife uses it every time she parks and it's literally 1 on screen button push.
@@wpeen001 thanks for the suggestion on the camera, I will give it a try. I've continued to have series issues with connection and overall operation of the infotainment system on this car, so much so that Jeep replaced the entire infotainment system. They had the car in the shop for 6 weeks, but gave me another Jeep Grand Cherokee L as a loner. The new system works much better, but it still disconnects, but not very often like the other system did.
Not really interested in the vehicle, but I’m stoked about your course! This’ll be awesome to compare various vehicles on equal playing fields. Can’t wait to see more!
Ryan's videos are probably up there at the top with all time great automotive journalist reviews, hands down! Even if the car is boring, the video will come out great.
Nice evaluation. The technology glitches scare me, and this is a prime example of why I am never the first to own a new design. This will need several years of development before I would consider a purchase. I really like your new course.
Hey Ryan and Driving Sports TV team , thanks a lot guys was really looking forward for this review. Appreciate the Fine content you guys present. 🤩 Kudos
Best reviews on UA-cam, hands down. Your test course is far more challenging than the children’s course Jeep put together for it’s reveal to the media. Now we see what the true capabilities are. Nicely done.
I don’t know about that. Put this guy in an old school 4x4 without any fancy electronics or lockers and he would go nowhere....every video just demonstrates that his off road knowledge is totally limited to managing computer systems in modern vehicles.
mach78fl370 he's presenting the vehicle and ITS systems and capabilities, not HIS off-roading knowledge! Nor is he showing the vehicle in an off-roading situation, where he, actually, might surprise you with HIS knowledge and abilities on the subject.
I just bought basically this car and your review is spot on. I love it overall but the software glitches are real, especially the Apple Carplay disconnect, which they really need to get sorted. There is a restart radio ability in the settings which is what FCA is telling customers to do when it happens, which does fix it at least for awhile.
Do you know if Jeep has the ability to update the software over the air like Tesla and Ford does? That might make these headaches go away down the road, not to mention much more convenient for the customer.
100% this comment. They had ten years to design a useable interior. It seems like all their good designers worked on Wrangler interior and left Grand Cherokee to some new age teen
@@martynascesna2771 Nahhh... i personally experienced better interior quality including fit and finish, rattles, squeeks, ect on 3th and 4th Gen Rams then i had on Tacoma or 14 F150 .... i would have other things to complain about, just not interior
The GC is improving every year. I’m waiting for the new hurricane engines to be out in next. Huge game changer. Straight six reliably with more power than the hemi. The interiors are very nice now. I have lot of experience with Porsche, Audi, bmw, and Lamborghini, so I know what superb quality is. Jeep is finally catching up now. Obviously they will never beat them in precision, but they are making them great now.
I would like a big SUV without a third row with Diesel and Off-Road capabilities. And I would like to choose extras to a base trim. I have no idea why I need to pay for 22 rims and a sunroof when I like a heated steering wheel
Good review and off roading video for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Overland trim. Nice n comfy features with this trim. In the video between the 25:39 to 25:42 time marks I'm glad the Jeep Grand Cherokee L despite having a long wheel base was still able to make it through that area which had a steep incline along with a tight turn w/o breaking a sweat when the extra momentum got applied. Usually an SUV with a long wheel base would either barely make it up that steep part of the hill or fail miserably to do it. With the McIntosh 19 speaker premium audio system found on the three top tier trims Overland, Summit and Summit Reserve there are other locations in the vehicle for the speakers. In addition to the locations mentioned in the video there are two speakers on top of the middle of the dashboard and two other speakers on the lift gate itself. Based on info from multiple sources the speakers are in 12 locations within the cabin of the vehicle.
The 4WD systems in Jeeps are typically great which is why they're so capable even in what some could consider a luxury SUV (Grand Cherokee)...the new Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer share the same 4WD systems as well.
Not a fan of Jeep, and definitely not of this big long wheel base SUV, but totally fan of your channel and I came here to see the course! Damn awesome!!! You are getting better and better by the time mate!. Congrats for your effort and your reviews.
Forgive me for skipping forward to see the first vehicle to attempt your new private off road course. Summary: The course was more challenging than I imagined
Always love the videos on this channel. The scary thing is that the more car manufacturers hand basic responsibilities of vehicle functions to software the more prone to errors these vehicles will become. If you think your phone is a distraction just think about your infotainment system rebooting or freezing up while going 65 mph on the highway. What about firmware updates that might just cause more harm than good to electronic safety mechanisms. We are already in uncharted territory.
Awesome review, and certainly Jeep got the off-road capability right in this vehicle, especially so considering its long wheelbase. Really impressive. That being said, sounds like it is has an awful lot of bugs and software glitches to work out, and for $63K, come on, you have to provide really excellent seats all the way around when you get into that stratosphere of pricing. LOVE the new hill, what an awesome addition to your channel, and it just fantastic for testing a vehicle's off road chops!
My CX5 has that piano black finish too - when I got it new from the dealer it was scratched and scuffed already. Even a microfiber cloth will scratch it. 😬 That stuff is no good
@@KTMcaptain Our CX-5 just turned 9yrs and is first gen with 87,000 miles never had a squeak, rattle or anything outside of maintenance! Wish Mazda had something size wise like this Jeep. The CX-9 is too confined for passenger and cargo space. This looks great but the tech glitches, hard seats? and Jeep reliability are hard to look past!
@@MIZUNOMP60 the 3.6 and 5.7 engines are extremely reliable. The transmissions are made by ZF. Electronic issues suck, but I’d rather have the issues than not have the tech. Seats are subjective. TFL complains about wrangler seats yet I find mine very comfortable and have done 10+ hours in my truck without issue.
I think you'll risk your good relationship with Subaru after taking any of their products there :) ... And I say that even though I enjoy my Forester :)
I'm still enthusiastic about the Jeep Grand Cherokee L but I'm willing to trade a few electronic gizmos for more comfortable seating all around. This is a vehicle that should err on the side of luxury, even on the "Trail Rated" equipment groups. Never a good idea to skimp on seat comfort, in my opinion. Your new off-road course is a nice bit-o-torture, LOL! 👍
I've had a Grand Cherokee with this V6 for 100K+ miles. IRL on flat highways it does give you 25mpg even with people and stuff in it, unless you speed over 70mph. At 75-80mph you'll be getting around 23,5mpg.
I’m glad this review was able to catch the glitchy CarPlay/uConnect on camera and that it was mentioned. Wireless Apple CarPlay is a disaster in these vehicles and is very frustrating. It’s a total crapshoot whether or not my phone will connect. Could be right away. Could be 5-10 minutes into the ride. Could be never. Good stuff. Wired CarPlay does work fine though.
I would like Ryan taking this new generation of JGC to traverse the icy paths like he did with the Subaru when the snow season starts. I want to see how the different Quadra-Drive options behave in slippery icy/snowy/hilly conditions.
Seems like i have a new coffee place to try out next time i am out in the Pacific Northwest. Guess Cafe Ladro was getting to much (well deserved) free advertisement.
In a few years when cars go back to having actual gear shift lever and transfer case levers people will think its brand new technology LOL...wait till they go back to an actual radio with buttons and knobs that doesn't crash, reboot, and freeze up LOL. Yep I'd rather have an old school lever for 4WD, much less to go wrong.
This is the best off-road and overall review of GC ever, like others. Great job. But most of the buyers probably will buy the Grand Cherokee with the Limited trim. Therefore, Seeing the Quadra-Trac-I's off-road capability and limits would be nice.
Agreed the piano black no matter what and how careful you still get scratches. I finally seen the video and wondered about the off road.I have to say a Wrangler way better for this type of condition
Great video. Just keep in mind that, if you order a new WL Overland as of this month, supply chain issues will cause your jeep to NOT be equipped with the air suspension
I agree... why piano black and also why air vents above screen again, blower is in glove box so let's put vents bellow screen closer to blower and "screen" the highest closer to windshield... It's like they making changes in random
The only way to go with a Grand Cherokee not the L model though now is a Trailhawk, Limited, or Overland with the Quadra-Drive and V8. Trailhawk automatically comes standard with Quadra-Drive. Maybe they'll come out with a Trailhawk model of the L series and I think I'd get 17 inch wheels to be able to put some much better tires on it with some sidewalls that'll actually hold up to those trails. Those street tires aren't gonna get you very far once you leave the pavement.
They did not sweat the details. They had ten years to desi* a user friendly interior. Instead all that gloss black, hard seats, touch sensitive buttons that don’t always register instead of real buttons. And this is the high end. Pass amd for that money get a Tahoe or a better eight passenger vehicle in Telluride or Pathfinder. Previous generation two row is better
While I definitely agree, Jeep will build what customers will buy. Black interiors look cheap and show wear easily. Sadly, black is trendy and what’s in at the moment. You’ll be hard pressed to find anything other than black these days.
I think this need jeep grand Cherokee L is the absolute best in the segment period now I probably wouldn't buy it right away they have work the bugs out but at this price point this amazing. Okay I'd love to see a video of the Grand Cherokee L taking on the Ford Explorer and the Grand Cherokee L Summit Reserve taking on the Lincoln Aviator
It's about time you reviewed a Jeep! Lol. These look really nice. I just ended up with a 2018 CPO Grand Cherokee limited Sterling edition with Quadra Trac II. Was my choice over the VW Atlas Cross Sport AWD. I'll be going off road with it in the next couple weeks in Mount Charleston to see how the open differentials work out.
Considering this or the Kia Telluride at the moment. My brain says go Kia (looks good, comfy and roomy, solid tech, decent power, and great warranty) my heart says go Jeep (looks and is capable, it's not a Kia haha!, air suspension ride, V8 Hemi (if wife lets me!)! I think I know deep down the Kia is the smarter buy (proven. award winning, value and reliable) the Jeep has so much potential but 60 plus grand for glitchy technology, hard seats and future reliability issues might be too much to live with!
WJ's had the best quadra-drive system....front and rear gerotor limited slip differentials (1999-2004), when the WK's came out they lost not only the front solid axle, but the front limited slip which made the quadra-drive system, now its nothing all that great....I had a 98 ZJ with selec-trac and limited slip rear axle...went everywhere I wanted it to, but would have been really fun to have a limited slip in the front as well...yep aftermarket back then, but Jeep with the WJ's had the best factory 4WD.
The 06 Commander had a Hemi 5.7 with both front and rear ELSD, this only has rear ELSD. Seems like Jeep is trying to sell you less product for more money.. weird
The Grand Cherokee from 1999-2004 (WJ) had front and rear limited slip differentials as well, that's what made the Quadra-Drive system now its nothing more than another plain old automatic 4WD system with an electronic limited slip that only works when it feels like it.
Have a 2018 Grand Cherokee Summit. Got kids and a very large dog (Leonberger). If this came with a 3rd row delete option it would be more compelling (for me). I would rather give up the extra seating room for more cargo room.
Great content, thanks for sharing! I have 2 suggestions that I think a lot of your subscribers would also appreciate: - once the course will be in it's final form, please do a run on it with your 4Runner or a Jeep Rubicon just to have a benchmark for all other (presumably) lesser off-road capable vehicles that you'll test - plant some trees on that hill. If like and subscribe is what it takes.... I'm all in 😀 Regards from the other side of the world!
I've hit a LOT of car buttons in my life. The JCGL is worse than almost anything else you can buy today. (outside of Jaguar/Land Rover, those take the crown jewels in sluggishness.)
I prefer the e-diff and Terrain Response combination in the new Defender. When the Rock Crawl programme is selected, the diffs are locked by default and unlock only when necessary. The Jeep's behavior is not proactive enough.
I'm not saying the optional 3rd row is huge, but I wonder why Toyota won't put the optional 3rd row into the TRD versions of the 4Runner. (In the US, it appears to be only available on SR5, SR5 Premium, and Limited trims) I wanted the flexibility to fit the extra passengers 6 and 7 when we bought out 3-row crossover last year. The 4Runner would be the off road vehicle of my choice but I'm not sure I want to purchase a mid-size SUV without a 3rd row.
The 4Runner doesn't have a 3rd row option at all. The Sequoia does have a 3rd row option, which would be the way I'd go...the 4Runner is a slug on the road, and horrible fuel economy...the Sequoia with the 5.7L V8 gets the same or better fuel economy than the 4Runner and has enough power to get out of its own way unlike the old outdated gas guzzling 4L V6.
I really dispise all the unnecessary electronics in these vehicles. I feel like every vehicle doesn't need to be it's own video game people, just something that runs and drives reliably is all we really need. I'll stick with my old school 4Runner thanks!
And get off my lawn!!! :p I’m a fan of tech in vehicles and I honestly think this one is fairly modest and tasteful. It the stuff that is there could be greatly improved from a usability standpoint. I do like the aesthetics of the way the implemented the tech/screen though. Very much.
Nice review. The niche I'm looking to fill is a daily driver, with a good 4WD system and the on demand extra clearance via some type of air suspension to be used for short duration and infrequently. This vehicle checks all those boxes and offers relatively good MPG but it's so expensive +$70k after taxes. Is there an economically reasonable way to add an on demand, push button, extra 4" of lift to a 5th Gen 4Runner. Most off roading roads/trails generally have mostly long sections of "road" where 8" of clearance is adequate and then a few short sections where 12" of clearance is desirable. As a daily driver where 99.9% of the miles driven each year are on asphalt, setting the suspension up permanently for 12" of clearance is ridiculous. But 8.5" - 9.5" of clearance is so limiting (in just a few 50' sections of road/trail) when getting out on moderate "off-road" trails/roads. Some kind of temporary short duration extra lift system seems like such a "no brainer" useful tool for the 1 car family daily driver. I'm guessing it must be related to liability due to the instability the lift offers and perhaps they are delicate, and unable to withstand the abuse (water, rocks, dust etc...) that goes with moderate off roading...gotta love our nanny society. Would you say this 4WD system was as good or better than your 5th Gen 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium? That hill course is nicely designed and a good test. Too bad you did not have it in operation for the previous "off-roading' tests you have done so all these vehicles could be apple to apple tests but that's how it works when you are in the developmental stages...can't have everything done all at once. Although it looks pretty arid I hope the rainfalls you do get will not wash out the "course". Maybe a berm above it all could direct water run-off away from the pathways you have dug. It also looks like you may need some heavy equipment like a Bobcat skid steer to maintain the course. All of those steep sections and spinning wheels will dig up the tough sections pretty quickly. Great job with the land purchase, the course construction and the excellent reviews you do. As a suggestion, if you run out of new vehicles to test, find some stock or mildly modified older generations of Jeep, Toyota etc...to run through the course and keep a capability chart for each obstacle so they can all be compared to each other over time.
You can add air suspension to any vehicle, there are kits out there to retrofit into pretty much anything, how do you think they get those lowriders that bounce up and down...its all air suspension kits that are pieced together. They do have digital systems so you can adjust everything on the fly even individual airbag adjustments, and some have pre-programmed settings you can put in as well...probably talk to a vehicle offroad shop they should be able to hook you up with a kit that you could put on a Prius if you wanted LOL. Jeeps usually have about the best 4WD systems, rather the vehicles are balanced front to rear well enough that the 4WD system works extremely well even in situations you wouldn't think it would go.
All the new 2022 overland and summit trims will no longer include the quadra trac air suspension when you try to buy you will see a credit of $750.00 because your $5000.00 air suspension is deleted
Thank you. I’ve seen several reviews of this and you are the only one to comment on the second seats lack of comfort. They’ve always looked very firm so thanks for actually commenting on them. Fully loaded, this approaches the cost of the new wagoneer which is far more luxurious. Hard pass.
It’s quite a shame because the previous generation had very comfortable seats. The seat foam was soft and plush. The move to rigid, firm seats foam with no give kills my back.
I was getting my wife’s compass service and I sat in the in one of this. My knee immediately wanted to hit the center console making it less comfortable than my wife’s 2018 compass. I usually drive with the cruise control on road trips and this will bug me. Anyone else has that problem?
There is an interior brightness dial on the left side of the steering column. When that is clicked into its maximum position it forces the display to maximum brightness. Move it out of that maximum brightness click and it should dim.
I purchased the exact same car a few weeks ago, and overall I really like it. I'm mainly driving this for business, and want reasonable gas mileage, so I went with the V6. I test drove the V8 and liked it, but the fuel economy was horrible. I did a 425 mile round trip the other day on its second tank of gas, and got 23MPG, which was not bad given the engine is not broke in yet, and I was going over 75Mph. I got back to town with a bit over a quarter of tank of gas, and it said that I had 90 miles left until empty. I agree with you on the seats being hard, however the leg support in the drivers seat is great, and the lumbar support is also wonderful. You have the ability to adjust the lumber from soft to hard, and you can move that support point up and down in the seat, which made a long day in the car very comfortable. I'm seeing the exact same cell phone connection issues using wireless Android Auto, so its interesting that you saw the same thing with Apple Car Play. This is starting to really irritate me ,and I've already contacted the dealer who said that its a known issue that they are waiting on a software patch to fix. Here are my two main points of irritation: 1) No button on the dash or touchscreen to open the back tailgate/hatch. I've looked everyone to find it and I've not been successful. 2) No dedicated button to switch on the front camera when pulling into a parking spot. I have to go through 2 or 3 touches on the big screen to activate that feature. My wife's 2021 Toyota Venza switches on the front camera when the parking sensors are triggered, very nice feature. I think once they get the infotainment software bugs fixed then I will be very happy with this purchase. Your video on this car was by far the best that I've watched!! Kent K.
We have an overland with the V8 got over 20mpg driving to AZ the rear hatch button is up top by the sunroof controls. I agree about the cam would love it to be easier to access when parking
I found the rear hatch button right after I wrote this message. I having more trouble with disconnecting from my phone, are you seeing the same issue?
A front camera for parking..? Why..?
We have one ourselves 22 Summit, you can add the trail cam and 360 cam shortcut on the main home screen, top of the screen, if you scroll downwards from the middle clock, it gives you options , which you can drag and replace small buttons on the top of the screen, which are located near your driver profile button. Hope this helps, as my wife uses it every time she parks and it's literally 1 on screen button push.
@@wpeen001 thanks for the suggestion on the camera, I will give it a try. I've continued to have series issues with connection and overall operation of the infotainment system on this car, so much so that Jeep replaced the entire infotainment system. They had the car in the shop for 6 weeks, but gave me another Jeep Grand Cherokee L as a loner. The new system works much better, but it still disconnects, but not very often like the other system did.
Not really interested in the vehicle, but I’m stoked about your course! This’ll be awesome to compare various vehicles on equal playing fields. Can’t wait to see more!
Ryan's videos are probably up there at the top with all time great automotive journalist reviews, hands down! Even if the car is boring, the video will come out great.
Ryan is the top out there journalist. Just saying
Nice evaluation. The technology glitches scare me, and this is a prime example of why I am never the first to own a new design. This will need several years of development before I would consider a purchase. I really like your new course.
Or Lease the first edition.
Hey Ryan and Driving Sports TV team , thanks a lot guys was really looking forward for this review. Appreciate the Fine content you guys present. 🤩 Kudos
Best reviews on UA-cam, hands down. Your test course is far more challenging than the children’s course Jeep put together for it’s reveal to the media. Now we see what the true capabilities are. Nicely done.
@@Word-Life LR has some wicked course challenges.
I really love how you regularly give unsponsored shootouts to local coffee joints. Keep up the local flair!
Wow that was amazing jeep grand Cherokee L is so beautiful I'm definitely getting one now
I think we can now call Ryan “Trail Rated”.
You sir, are winning at life.. lol
I don’t know about that. Put this guy in an old school 4x4 without any fancy electronics or lockers and he would go nowhere....every video just demonstrates that his off road knowledge is totally limited to managing computer systems in modern vehicles.
mach78fl370 he's presenting the vehicle and ITS systems and capabilities, not HIS off-roading knowledge! Nor is he showing the vehicle in an off-roading situation, where he, actually, might surprise you with HIS knowledge and abilities on the subject.
I just bought basically this car and your review is spot on. I love it overall but the software glitches are real, especially the Apple Carplay disconnect, which they really need to get sorted. There is a restart radio ability in the settings which is what FCA is telling customers to do when it happens, which does fix it at least for awhile.
Do you know if Jeep has the ability to update the software over the air like Tesla and Ford does? That might make these headaches go away down the road, not to mention much more convenient for the customer.
@@joemcdonough7509 yes owners manual says OTA updates will happen so hopefully.
Did you also find the seats firm like he mentions in the video ?
@@hamidmghazi not at all. The seats are really soft. I don’t agree with that piece.
I'll be on the lookout for "Hill Rated" badges 👍. But "We should know better by now" has been the Jeep interior design motto for decades.
The interior of this car seems like a manufacturer saying “how do we make our car look appealing at the dealership?” And caring about nothing else…
100% this comment. They had ten years to design a useable interior. It seems like all their good designers worked on Wrangler interior and left Grand Cherokee to some new age teen
typical FCA product- awsome design and innovation but poor in quality and everyday dependability
@@martynascesna2771 Nahhh... i personally experienced better interior quality including fit and finish, rattles, squeeks, ect on 3th and 4th Gen Rams then i had on Tacoma or 14 F150 .... i would have other things to complain about, just not interior
I think the interiormlooks fantastic. My only real criticism is too much piano black. Looks nice, but is a dust and fingerprint magnet.
The GC is improving every year. I’m waiting for the new hurricane engines to be out in next. Huge game changer. Straight six reliably with more power than the hemi.
The interiors are very nice now. I have lot of experience with Porsche, Audi, bmw, and Lamborghini, so I know what superb quality is. Jeep is finally catching up now. Obviously they will never beat them in precision, but they are making them great now.
Stellantis is killing it, should be a big money maker for France and Italy! Also a great way to recycle the slow selling Alfa Romeo Stelvio platform!
Sway-bar disconnect would be one more very useful feature, probably more so than a locking diff at times.
That's available, just not in the trim he was reviewing
Coming to the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in 2023. Just saw it on the Jeep website yesterday.
I would like a big SUV without a third row with Diesel and Off-Road capabilities. And I would like to choose extras to a base trim. I have no idea why I need to pay for 22 rims and a sunroof when I like a heated steering wheel
Buy an 80's Chevy Suburban with the 6.2L Detroit Diesel.
Good review and off roading video for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Overland trim. Nice n comfy features with this trim. In the video between the 25:39 to 25:42 time marks I'm glad the Jeep Grand Cherokee L despite having a long wheel base was still able to make it through that area which had a steep incline along with a tight turn w/o breaking a sweat when the extra momentum got applied. Usually an SUV with a long wheel base would either barely make it up that steep part of the hill or fail miserably to do it. With the McIntosh 19 speaker premium audio system found on the
three top tier trims Overland, Summit and Summit Reserve there are other locations in the vehicle for the speakers. In addition to the locations mentioned in the video there are two speakers on top of the middle of the dashboard and two other speakers on the lift gate itself. Based on info from multiple sources the speakers are in 12 locations within the cabin of the vehicle.
The 4WD systems in Jeeps are typically great which is why they're so capable even in what some could consider a luxury SUV (Grand Cherokee)...the new Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer share the same 4WD systems as well.
Not a fan of Jeep, and definitely not of this big long wheel base SUV, but totally fan of your channel and I came here to see the course! Damn awesome!!! You are getting better and better by the time mate!.
Congrats for your effort and your reviews.
Forgive me for skipping forward to see the first vehicle to attempt your new private off road course.
Summary: The course was more challenging than I imagined
It’s too bad that the Grand Cherokee made it almost look easy. Almost. 😂
Another great video as usual!
Always love the videos on this channel. The scary thing is that the more car manufacturers hand basic responsibilities of vehicle functions to software the more prone to errors these vehicles will become. If you think your phone is a distraction just think about your infotainment system rebooting or freezing up while going 65 mph on the highway. What about firmware updates that might just cause more harm than good to electronic safety mechanisms. We are already in uncharted territory.
A physical lever? Again, your showing your age. A fact of life for us older folks. I will keep my 1998 ZJ, thank you very much.
Awesome review, and certainly Jeep got the off-road capability right in this vehicle, especially so considering its long wheelbase. Really impressive. That being said, sounds like it is has an awful lot of bugs and software glitches to work out, and for $63K, come on, you have to provide really excellent seats all the way around when you get into that stratosphere of pricing. LOVE the new hill, what an awesome addition to your channel, and it just fantastic for testing a vehicle's off road chops!
Love the test course! Best channel !
My CX5 has that piano black finish too - when I got it new from the dealer it was scratched and scuffed already. Even a microfiber cloth will scratch it. 😬 That stuff is no good
The worst.
Our cx5 is 4 years old and doesn’t have scratches on the piano black. But it always looks nasty unless we just cleaned it that day.
@@KTMcaptain Our CX-5 just turned 9yrs and is first gen with 87,000 miles never had a squeak, rattle or anything outside of maintenance! Wish Mazda had something size wise like this Jeep. The CX-9 is too confined for passenger and cargo space. This looks great but the tech glitches, hard seats? and Jeep reliability are hard to look past!
@@MIZUNOMP60 the 3.6 and 5.7 engines are extremely reliable. The transmissions are made by ZF. Electronic issues suck, but I’d rather have the issues than not have the tech. Seats are subjective. TFL complains about wrangler seats yet I find mine very comfortable and have done 10+ hours in my truck without issue.
I think you'll risk your good relationship with Subaru after taking any of their products there :)
... And I say that even though I enjoy my Forester :)
Subaru can pound sand.
He already did, he took his own personal Subaru crosstrek there and the new Subaru Outback wilderness too!! They both did pretty good…..
I'm still enthusiastic about the Jeep Grand Cherokee L but I'm willing to trade a few electronic gizmos for more comfortable seating all around. This is a vehicle that should err on the side of luxury, even on the "Trail Rated" equipment groups. Never a good idea to skimp on seat comfort, in my opinion. Your new off-road course is a nice bit-o-torture, LOL! 👍
Thank you Ryan et al, this content is really good! Love the new test track 🤠
I'd love to see the Wilderness Outback tackle that climb and crisscross section.
It won’t make it. Cvt would explode and the engine would blow its head gasket.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 are you from TFL? Lol
@@subazealand9158 lol nah. Just a disgruntled former Subaru owner
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Sorry about that. - From a happy Subaru owner. =)
I've had a Grand Cherokee with this V6 for 100K+ miles. IRL on flat highways it does give you 25mpg even with people and stuff in it, unless you speed over 70mph. At 75-80mph you'll be getting around 23,5mpg.
Great video! Does the Overland have the sway bar disconnect feature? Thanks!
Finally some honest test of Jeep L. Thanks!
Man that thang was crawling down that hill! 💪🏾
I’m glad this review was able to catch the glitchy CarPlay/uConnect on camera and that it was mentioned. Wireless Apple CarPlay is a disaster in these vehicles and is very frustrating. It’s a total crapshoot whether or not my phone will connect. Could be right away. Could be 5-10 minutes into the ride. Could be never. Good stuff.
Wired CarPlay does work fine though.
Excellent and complete video like always, thanks again and thanks for share 🙏🏻
An excellent video presentation: balanced! Kudos!
Thanks I was waiting for this for a while
I would like Ryan taking this new generation of JGC to traverse the icy paths like he did with the Subaru when the snow season starts. I want to see how the different Quadra-Drive options behave in slippery icy/snowy/hilly conditions.
Seems like i have a new coffee place to try out next time i am out in the Pacific Northwest. Guess Cafe Ladro was getting to much (well deserved) free advertisement.
We have come full circle on the 4wd lever!!
In a few years when cars go back to having actual gear shift lever and transfer case levers people will think its brand new technology LOL...wait till they go back to an actual radio with buttons and knobs that doesn't crash, reboot, and freeze up LOL.
Yep I'd rather have an old school lever for 4WD, much less to go wrong.
This is the best off-road and overall review of GC ever, like others. Great job. But most of the buyers probably will buy the Grand Cherokee with the Limited trim. Therefore, Seeing the Quadra-Trac-I's off-road capability and limits would be nice.
Agreed the piano black no matter what and how careful you still get scratches. I finally seen the video and wondered about the off road.I have to say a Wrangler way better for this type of condition
Awesome review, you did a good job!
Great video! Awesome off-road course 👌👌
That black GX in the background will tackle that obstacle easily.
nice video, waiting for this car
Nice! A real off road test.
Great video. Just keep in mind that, if you order a new WL Overland as of this month, supply chain issues will cause your jeep to NOT be equipped with the air suspension
Did you use your 4runner Off-road to benchmark the course? Likely why everybody else is coming up short! Love the videos. Keep them coming.
I love to see one of your off-road reviews of the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer
Literally every single UA-cam car review:
-Stop using black piano!
Car manufacturer's:
-Lets use more black piano
I agree... why piano black and also why air vents above screen again, blower is in glove box so let's put vents bellow screen closer to blower and "screen" the highest closer to windshield... It's like they making changes in random
should read owners manual 1st.it should tell you how set various 4wd settings
At this price range I’ll take a Tahoe Z71 or AT4.
I too prefer a transfer case lever. Even if it’s electronic.
Jeep Easter egg at 5:23
haven’t had any issues with my center screen so far
You should allow subscribers to bring their vehicles on your course for reviews of older vehicles. I would gladly bring out my suv.
I’m psyched to this driving course come together
I love it and I want one. But with the V8.
The only way to go with a Grand Cherokee not the L model though now is a Trailhawk, Limited, or Overland with the Quadra-Drive and V8. Trailhawk automatically comes standard with Quadra-Drive. Maybe they'll come out with a Trailhawk model of the L series and I think I'd get 17 inch wheels to be able to put some much better tires on it with some sidewalls that'll actually hold up to those trails. Those street tires aren't gonna get you very far once you leave the pavement.
you gotta put those logs more firmly into the ground, seeing them jump close to the rear end looks scary lol
Yeah, we thought they were buried pretty deep... nope!
We can’t forget your off-road skill
They did not sweat the details. They had ten years to desi* a user friendly interior. Instead all that gloss black, hard seats, touch sensitive buttons that don’t always register instead of real buttons. And this is the high end. Pass amd for that money get a Tahoe or a better eight passenger vehicle in Telluride or Pathfinder. Previous generation two row is better
While I definitely agree, Jeep will build what customers will buy. Black interiors look cheap and show wear easily. Sadly, black is trendy and what’s in at the moment. You’ll be hard pressed to find anything other than black these days.
I'm not a GM fan but I'd rather buy a Tahoe than a new Grand Cherokee.
I guess manufacturers are never going to learn how stupid glossy black plastic is...
I think this need jeep grand Cherokee L is the absolute best in the segment period now I probably wouldn't buy it right away they have work the bugs out but at this price point this amazing. Okay I'd love to see a video of the Grand Cherokee L taking on the Ford Explorer and the Grand Cherokee L Summit Reserve taking on the Lincoln Aviator
It's about time you reviewed a Jeep! Lol. These look really nice. I just ended up with a 2018 CPO Grand Cherokee limited Sterling edition with Quadra Trac II. Was my choice over the VW Atlas Cross Sport AWD. I'll be going off road with it in the next couple weeks in Mount Charleston to see how the open differentials work out.
It’s very cool,thanks ✌️
nice but no v8 to move all the wt and 7 on board and cargo v8 only In the top 3 trims
Considering this or the Kia Telluride at the moment. My brain says go Kia (looks good, comfy and roomy, solid tech, decent power, and great warranty) my heart says go Jeep (looks and is capable, it's not a Kia haha!, air suspension ride, V8 Hemi (if wife lets me!)! I think I know deep down the Kia is the smarter buy (proven. award winning, value and reliable) the Jeep has so much potential but 60 plus grand for glitchy technology, hard seats and future reliability issues might be too much to live with!
i expect jeep grand wagoneer will be coming soon!
I believe late this year, beginning of 2022...and a $100k+ price tag.
Please review the more mainstream Limited trim with QT-I system.
eLSD locks automatically. That is how they have always worked. And the wk2 had that too.
WJ's had the best quadra-drive system....front and rear gerotor limited slip differentials (1999-2004), when the WK's came out they lost not only the front solid axle, but the front limited slip which made the quadra-drive system, now its nothing all that great....I had a 98 ZJ with selec-trac and limited slip rear axle...went everywhere I wanted it to, but would have been really fun to have a limited slip in the front as well...yep aftermarket back then, but Jeep with the WJ's had the best factory 4WD.
@@wildbill23c man how I wish they still made cars the way the used to. They don’t make ANYTHING like they used to.
@@Zanderthelab Of course not, they want you to buy a new car every year or 2...if they last that long you are lucky LOL.
The 06 Commander had a Hemi 5.7 with both front and rear ELSD, this only has rear ELSD. Seems like Jeep is trying to sell you less product for more money.. weird
The Grand Cherokee from 1999-2004 (WJ) had front and rear limited slip differentials as well, that's what made the Quadra-Drive system now its nothing more than another plain old automatic 4WD system with an electronic limited slip that only works when it feels like it.
2 issues:
1. Pricey,
2. One engine option.
I recommend LC 300
cant buy in us
Superior than telluride? What would you pick?
Have a 2018 Grand Cherokee Summit. Got kids and a very large dog (Leonberger). If this came with a 3rd row delete option it would be more compelling (for me). I would rather give up the extra seating room for more cargo room.
I like it but the touch screen bugs are an issue, would also look at a Rav4 , 4Runner or a Hyundai Santa Fe.
Great content, thanks for sharing!
I have 2 suggestions that I think a lot of your subscribers would also appreciate:
- once the course will be in it's final form, please do a run on it with your 4Runner or a Jeep Rubicon just to have a benchmark for all other (presumably) lesser off-road capable vehicles that you'll test
- plant some trees on that hill. If like and subscribe is what it takes.... I'm all in 😀
Regards from the other side of the world!
Awesome bring it in South Africa
Great work
Pricey.
The buttons aren’t working because you’re hitting them like a cartoon character
I've hit a LOT of car buttons in my life. The JCGL is worse than almost anything else you can buy today. (outside of Jaguar/Land Rover, those take the crown jewels in sluggishness.)
@@drivingsports fair enough:
The SRT8 version will be great capability if u try on this trail
I prefer the e-diff and Terrain Response combination in the new Defender. When the Rock Crawl programme is selected, the diffs are locked by default and unlock only when necessary. The Jeep's behavior is not proactive enough.
It's is in the WK2. at least in my experience.
Anyone else skip right to driving impressions? If that’s not good no need to look at features.
I would be interested in seeing your take on the Wagoneer once its available.
Which interior do you find more comfortable? The Grand Cherokee L or the Durango R/T?
I’d love to see the 4runnee on the new course!
I'm not saying the optional 3rd row is huge, but I wonder why Toyota won't put the optional 3rd row into the TRD versions of the 4Runner. (In the US, it appears to be only available on SR5, SR5 Premium, and Limited trims) I wanted the flexibility to fit the extra passengers 6 and 7 when we bought out 3-row crossover last year. The 4Runner would be the off road vehicle of my choice but I'm not sure I want to purchase a mid-size SUV without a 3rd row.
The 4Runner doesn't have a 3rd row option at all. The Sequoia does have a 3rd row option, which would be the way I'd go...the 4Runner is a slug on the road, and horrible fuel economy...the Sequoia with the 5.7L V8 gets the same or better fuel economy than the 4Runner and has enough power to get out of its own way unlike the old outdated gas guzzling 4L V6.
i love the jeep. but not a fan of digital laptops on my dashboard, but all the car makers are doing the same thing in regars to lcd displays
Hey, why the Dave Matthews dig? Haha
I really dispise all the unnecessary electronics in these vehicles. I feel like every vehicle doesn't need to be it's own video game people, just something that runs and drives reliably is all we really need. I'll stick with my old school 4Runner thanks!
Exactly. I’ll keep my Tundra and it’s actual knobs, buttons, and basic simplicity.
And get off my lawn!!! :p
I’m a fan of tech in vehicles and I honestly think this one is fairly modest and tasteful. It the stuff that is there could be greatly improved from a usability standpoint. I do like the aesthetics of the way the implemented the tech/screen though. Very much.
The new LC300 would be great to see here.
Nice review. The niche I'm looking to fill is a daily driver, with a good 4WD system and the on demand extra clearance via some type of air suspension to be used for short duration and infrequently. This vehicle checks all those boxes and offers relatively good MPG but it's so expensive +$70k after taxes. Is there an economically reasonable way to add an on demand, push button, extra 4" of lift to a 5th Gen 4Runner. Most off roading roads/trails generally have mostly long sections of "road" where 8" of clearance is adequate and then a few short sections where 12" of clearance is desirable. As a daily driver where 99.9% of the miles driven each year are on asphalt, setting the suspension up permanently for 12" of clearance is ridiculous. But 8.5" - 9.5" of clearance is so limiting (in just a few 50' sections of road/trail) when getting out on moderate "off-road" trails/roads. Some kind of temporary short duration extra lift system seems like such a "no brainer" useful tool for the 1 car family daily driver. I'm guessing it must be related to liability due to the instability the lift offers and perhaps they are delicate, and unable to withstand the abuse (water, rocks, dust etc...) that goes with moderate off roading...gotta love our nanny society. Would you say this 4WD system was as good or better than your 5th Gen 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium? That hill course is nicely designed and a good test. Too bad you did not have it in operation for the previous "off-roading' tests you have done so all these vehicles could be apple to apple tests but that's how it works when you are in the developmental stages...can't have everything done all at once. Although it looks pretty arid I hope the rainfalls you do get will not wash out the "course". Maybe a berm above it all could direct water run-off away from the pathways you have dug. It also looks like you may need some heavy equipment like a Bobcat skid steer to maintain the course. All of those steep sections and spinning wheels will dig up the tough sections pretty quickly. Great job with the land purchase, the course construction and the excellent reviews you do. As a suggestion, if you run out of new vehicles to test, find some stock or mildly modified older generations of Jeep, Toyota etc...to run through the course and keep a capability chart for each obstacle so they can all be compared to each other over time.
You can add air suspension to any vehicle, there are kits out there to retrofit into pretty much anything, how do you think they get those lowriders that bounce up and down...its all air suspension kits that are pieced together. They do have digital systems so you can adjust everything on the fly even individual airbag adjustments, and some have pre-programmed settings you can put in as well...probably talk to a vehicle offroad shop they should be able to hook you up with a kit that you could put on a Prius if you wanted LOL.
Jeeps usually have about the best 4WD systems, rather the vehicles are balanced front to rear well enough that the 4WD system works extremely well even in situations you wouldn't think it would go.
All the new 2022 overland and summit trims will no longer include the quadra trac air suspension when you try to buy you will see a credit of $750.00 because your $5000.00 air suspension is deleted
Not a jeep lover but I like the interior. The exterior? looks like a Hearse to me. Other than that, cool video, Ryan.
Just me or does it look almost identical to an Explorer from the front when it's driving? I think it's the DRLs
It’d be my choice.
I’m trying hard to pick keep or dodge 🤦🏾♂️ speed or versatility
Thank you. I’ve seen several reviews of this and you are the only one to comment on the second seats lack of comfort. They’ve always looked very firm so thanks for actually commenting on them. Fully loaded, this approaches the cost of the new wagoneer which is far more luxurious. Hard pass.
It’s quite a shame because the previous generation had very comfortable seats. The seat foam was soft and plush. The move to rigid, firm seats foam with no give kills my back.
I was getting my wife’s compass service and I sat in the in one of this.
My knee immediately wanted to hit the center console making it less comfortable than my wife’s 2018 compass.
I usually drive with the cruise control on road trips and this will bug me.
Anyone else has that problem?
What rear end crash protection is provided for children in the rear seats, indeed has there been any standard set for a rear oncoming collision?.