@@raphaeldaar Depends on where you live. Rice is nice in tropical regions where you have abudance of rain, in the rest of the world not so much. Corn and potatoes are king for calories per acre but wheat has more uses and can be more readily preserved long time.
Sounds delicious. You could make sandwiches with the bread, cheese, and meat, and you could make apple/fruit pies with the bread too. Damn those peasants would be eating like royalty.
Lmao Ale is the best food indeed. I immediately remembered that one crusader trail mission from wayback wherein you only have a small plot of oasis that is only enough to put 2 buildings, 1 dairy farm and 1 hops farm or 2 hops farms. My people were starving, but at least they're happily drunk 🍻
I am crying of joy right now, threeish years ago I saw a meme that has some elements of stronghold crusader, posted a usual "wood needed" but no one gets it. But today I am reunited with my homies, I am definitely home. and MORE WOOD IS NEEDED.
I won't say no rations but only ale is cruel because we have market. I abstractly tell my peasants to buy food by themselves because I will build market anyway and I believe we have trade route supplying food for my people. And if I build church and cathedral, I basically start fasting practice. Cruel is when you're start taxing them in average taxes above while they have to feed themselves. Yeah, I role playing what Bible told since this is about crusaders. XD
@Gamer_Gangster7 With the state controlling food supply, it is kinda like state capitalism in my opinion. Which is capitalism but the profit is to benefit the state. Basicslly similar to China's economic policy. +10000 social credits, friend
As a Kid I always went out of my way to give my people a nice mixed diet of all food if possible, even if it meant playing highly inefficient. But after "learning how the game works" I too of course sold all their food and got them drunk instead
I had this question for a while, How many wheat farms can support a mill and also how many bakeries can be supported by a mill? Both on normal, good and bad fear factor.
I Remember the suggestions in One of the tutorial campaign missions in crusader suggesting a ratio of 3 farms : 1 mill : 8 bakeries, but you Always end up a lot flour and wheat in your stockpile... I think that on the usual Little distance in most balanced Maps, 3 weat farms can support at least 2 mills for efficiency and 12 bakeries
@@Roccafresca It's hard to come up with exact numbers, because walking distance would mess everything up. But generally you'd want 2x more bakeries than wheat farms And one mill for every 3 wheat farms should be enough most of the time
In the first Stronghold I could dispose many fields to put farms of cows, but in the deserts of Stronghold Crusader the oasis we need small fields of wheat for a big poblation.
Not really good idea but still works: You can destroy your stockpile and move it both close to apple farms and wheat production buildings so this doubles both food productions :D
you can have 2 even 3 even 4 stock piles ya know. place one going fowards an one backwards make a long line as far as itll go before yoi run out of stock pile... delete the ones in between now you have 2.. to get a third add onto one going to whatever direction you need then delete the middle ones. now you have 3 repeat for infinite stockpile. same works for armory and granary
@@ChrisVideosGreek it doesn't make a difference. having a stone stockpile near your quarry a flour next to the mill and bakery iron next to your smithy. the peasants dont give a shit
On Stronhgold, not crusader, the first one, my brother would play the capitalist way : lost of food production, half-rations to the people, selling all the extra food away. I would play Communism : lots of food production, double-rations and beer, insane amount of taxes. Both system worked
I personally think that food diversity which is +3 popularity combined of half rations, can counter negative factor handicaps by most allowing you to -4 fear factor (+40% work production) without any cost. You wondering 40% more breads for sell while consuming some for food and other things looks quite another viable playable tactic and feels more fun to do lol
I'm not even playing Stronghold nowadays but your videos are so *so* good that I'm watching them anyways...all it's missing between you and the Age of Empires channel "Spirit of the Law" is a human narration
Every single time I play I end up with more ale than I know what to do with. It's so easy "Don't use bread as food, sell it instead " What??? That makes no sense. It's so easy for me to build a castle on basically any map that has granaries packed with food and entire pallets of ale even after opening a fourth Inn I think you might be playing the game wrong if you're selling bread to buy ale
Point is, bread is a really nice gold source, and depending in situation you should save them (Not overfeed your people) and sell them instead Taxing is usually worth up until -8, and there's also -5 fear factor which is really nice to have, you can increase your rations to meet the required popularity to maintain these two, but after that saving bread is more important My usual setup is this: +4 food, +8 ale, +3 religion, -5 fear factor, -8 tax You can go for normal rations or even half rations in some situations
The stronghold games were the only ones that ran well on my first pc I got as a child, and I think legends is the first pc game I played. It's awesome to see people making stuff about these games still
it is not always about food. meat: i never use cheese: use for catapulted cows and leather armor. bread: never use. apple: always use. with at least 10 workers for each orchard. my gold source is always iron and apple.
This why romans have a saying "panem et circenses" or "bread and circus". Without bread, rome wouldnt last a day. Keep giving your peasant a daily bread. And you can keep them working.
Best "trick" I have found so far is to combine beer & place some chapels / churches. That way you can literally ignore food and set granary to off (no rations). You can also not even produce beer, but buy it from market, as it takes some time to run out. That way you can focus on other things (like military stuff). Also, I have heard that if you place a lot of statues & decorations, your workers will work slower, so that means that innkeepers will move slower - so they will not deliver barrels of beer that fast, meaning that your supply of bear will last longer.
apples have way more work cycles than dairy becauso of seasoning. THe double worker glitch i wouldn'T recommend as its a glitch and i would rather have it patched than used :D
or make bread, cheese and apples and run half rations, do beer and -5 ff church+cathedral+few chapels(25% is easy, 50% is sometimes ok to do) and get -8 tax
For best production of Bread, you just need 4 Wheat farm and 1 Mill for fuelling 8 or might be 10 Bakery for maximum effeciency No wonder why Saladin The Wise was the best Lord in term of economy, because he's using effeciency of Bakery, just look his castle with 2 Mill and 16-20 Bakery
@@somber8233 no he doesnt, he does not have any fire traps and enough archers to man his castle towers. So yeah u can beat him easily with just a few siege towers and dozens of macemen.
@@gardayustisia4528 I'm not talking about against me or other human players. None of the AIs have a good defense against a human. He objectively has one of the better defenses in the game. Pit him against any other AI and most of them will fail miserably.
Oh god after watching tons of cooking/baking videos this got recommended to me. But this turns out to be a gaming video. Watched it anyway but now i'm hooked up to playing the stronghold series. So i decided to watch speedrun tutorials and started speedrunning this myself. Got into the first 5 players of speedrunners within a week. Unfortunately i forgot to feed my sweetest daughter while speedrunning the shit out of this game and child services came to my house to detain my daughter from me, once my wife heard about this she passed me the divorce papers. Now i have to start paying child support for some little shit that can't make her own bread. DAMN YOU UA-cam ALGOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Maybe the worker glitch is intentional, since the last level of the first trail is pretty insane. There's an oasis that only fits one wheat or hops farm, a very scarce resource plus the stone and iron patches are too far, and the enemies are too many and you have to play the game pretty slow and use the worker glitch to get more wheat
But I dont understand, why you rate apple farms far better then cheese, is it only because of the glitch trick? Because their production is the same...
Building a dairy farm is still necessary for making leather armor though. I think it’s food production sucks so that it keeps it balanced with its use for making leather armor.
No, you should feed your people. Up to certain point. One peasant eats 1 food for 6.25 months. Let's imagine it's 6.25 apples, so he eats about 1 apple per month. From no ration to half ration you get +4 rep, but every year you loose 6.25 apples on 1 person or 4 gold you could get from selling apples. From +1 to -2 taxing, you get 0.6 gold from each peasant every month, so it's about 0.4 per month for +4 rep you gain from half rations. In year you will get 10 gold, it's certainly more than 4. From -2 to -8 taxing, you get 0.2 gold for each -2 rep, so it's twice less effective and yet gives you 5 per month. From -8 to -24 taxing, you get 0.2 gold for each -4 rep, it's already not worth it as you gain only 2.5 gold. If you make more calculations, you will also conclude, that if you feed your citizens with cheese, apples and bread, it's profitable to buy meat for your people. Of course it's not so applicable in the missions, since you get too many bonuses from ins and churches.
IMO, must object with meat and chesse rating - for the first one, there is another problem in terms of the efficiency of "produce-feed", in order to provide the population with uninterrupted food flow, it is necessary more that 50%+ (maybe even 80%) of the population go Hunters, which is not very convenient especially for military development. As for second - this is only way to make leather armor and make catapults and trebuchets throw cows (unless if you wouldn't take into account the merchant and his armor low cost ofc wwww).
First and foremost, great video, I agree with the bread being the best food... ...In a vacuum. From personal experience, with how much space and time the production of bread takes, together with the necessary increase in population to get workers for it, the minor overal economy increase just cannot compensate for cheese farms' diversity for having cow ammo for trebuchets and leather armor for crossbowmen, since with a little bit of positive fear factor you can just slam down on half, or sometimes even no rations and the cheese sales do well enough. Also, with the bread, you have to place your granary close to your stockpile for efficiency, but with cheese it can be where the dairy farms are. Fully 100% agree on the ale bit, though, but i find it silly and tend to not abuse it always, so take the above criticism with a grain of salt, Stronghold is a ridiculously broken game when it comes to minmaxing the mechanics.
I'm far too kindly a ruler. XD My ideal castle usually has every single food type available, extra rations, good ale coverage, and low taxes. "The people LOVE you, my Lord!" indeed.
Minimize fear factor. build pubs. Ale production. Stop granary food. That's how you don't even have to produce food. The only, downside is you can't tax the population. But if you produce food, you can sell that to generate gold.
Army needs food and water to run. Now it also needs diesel and other fuels. But anyway, the game Stronghold makes no connection between size of army and how much food supply we have. I think that the game design should include the food supply into the equation to limit army size.
2 wheat farms next to the stockpile can support an entire population, is not the farming of the wheat whats time consuming its its transportation, if your farms are too far away by the time the farmer retirns all the weath rots and he needs to start the process again. Also another pro of bread is high population and taxes, with 200+ pop you get insane amount of taxes. Some times i run a food only economy, 200+ pop, breadx8 high taxes,vendor excess flour.
You cannot explain bread in 3:15 minutes, it takes hours of just to brief bread history. And that explains why I am clicking the do not recommend button.
So... Spam wheat farms, maximize fear factor, sell all the bread abroad and make your people survive on alcohol. Stalin is clearly alive and makes youtube tutorials
i used to buy food that run out to give them a balanced meal. from the thumbnail i thought this was a nutrition video where someone finally say that bread is good.
Jokes about stuffing your stomach with alcohol instead of food asides, and also since I don't know a thing about worker glitch, from my experience I have it better with cheese instead of apples. What I notice most of the time with Apple Orchards, is that while they have a consistent growth cycle to reach the harvesting season, the workers tend to waste their time walking from the Orchards to the Granaries and back, hence there's a chance that they missed the harvesting season and had to wait a bit until the apples are ripes again. Hell, I vaguely remembered witnessing an apple farmer arrives in the middle of harvesting season, but he can only collects a little amount of apples so he walked to the granary to store what little bits of apples he harvested, rinse and repeat, so that apple farmer in particular never really yields the optimum amount of apples. In comparison, the Dairy Farms needs only wait until there are three cows before milking them and process it to make the cheese. Plus the cows provides material for tanners to make leather armors for crossbowmen and macemen, and the dead cows provide ammunition for bio-warfare. Still, it's better to provide at least 2 types of food, providing cheese and bread at huge quantities + double rationing them never fails to carry my reputation as I tax my workers and scares them into working harder with fear factors. I've never played multiplayer though, so I wouldn't know if this "strats" works in a match against players.
i think they designed this intentionally, and its quite a genius touch. hunting, orchard & dairy farms require little manpower & little resources to produce food, which provides an easy way to kick start your settlement. as you grow your population, you'll gather more resources & have more people & be able to transition into bread production. at this point, food sources other than bread turns into somewhat luxury items, which you could use to increase the variety of your granary, to increase popularity. this somehow resembles our society IRL - processed foods are scalable in production & made to be cost-effective (cheap), whereas the pure form of food is sometimes expensive.
After so many years there are still people uploading Stronghold content. I am so proud of this community. Keep up the good work My lord
more wood is needed.
@@hnnggg5001 the stockpile is full m'lord
Not enough good
Our treasury is empty.
@@sungokong8540 The granary is empty sire
"I know that it's cruel, but that's how the game works"
I guess every irl lord/politician thinks the same
Have you considered becoming one and changing that?
Main difference Stronghold mechanics are not going to change, real life is always changing
@@DezZzO_YT Not really.
@@user-manager not really what?
@@DezZzO_YT Real life is the same shit for like 23 billion years already. While you can reverse-engineer stronghold mechanics if you want to.
At first I didn't notice this was about a game and expected a short documentary on the superiority of bread as a food source.
Is it not? Would rice or corn be better then wheat?
@@raphaeldaar Depends on where you live. Rice is nice in tropical regions where you have abudance of rain, in the rest of the world not so much. Corn and potatoes are king for calories per acre but wheat has more uses and can be more readily preserved long time.
Bread irl life is thw worst food source
@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Lol the majority of human history would disagree with that
Cringe A.I voiceover!!!!!
Not only that, but having bread meaning you can make a great Sandwich with Cheese, Meat, and Apple lol
Sounds like a pie.
Sounds delicious. You could make sandwiches with the bread, cheese, and meat, and you could make apple/fruit pies with the bread too.
Damn those peasants would be eating like royalty.
@@somber8233 my peasants only drunk
Lmao Ale is the best food indeed. I immediately remembered that one crusader trail mission from wayback wherein you only have a small plot of oasis that is only enough to put 2 buildings, 1 dairy farm and 1 hops farm or 2 hops farms. My people were starving, but at least they're happily drunk 🍻
but at least they are happily drunk! lmao 🤣
Technically a wheat farm has the same area as a hops farm though... So you could fit 2 wheat farms or 1 wheat farm and 1 hops farm as well
10 beers= daily recommended calories intake.
Not to mention town drunks are op saw one beat the shit out of a swordsman with a tankard and kill him lmao
1 hops farm is more than enough. You'll even have excess. You could have given them food too with just 1 wheat farm and 6 - 8 bakeries.
I am crying of joy right now, threeish years ago I saw a meme that has some elements of stronghold crusader, posted a usual "wood needed" but no one gets it. But today I am reunited with my homies, I am definitely home. and MORE WOOD IS NEEDED.
Archers, ready!
@@CompanionCubie1 we are on our WEEEE
Wood stocks are too low sire
After all those years … people are comming to the castle.
I won't say no rations but only ale is cruel because we have market. I abstractly tell my peasants to buy food by themselves because I will build market anyway and I believe we have trade route supplying food for my people. And if I build church and cathedral, I basically start fasting practice. Cruel is when you're start taxing them in average taxes above while they have to feed themselves. Yeah, I role playing what Bible told since this is about crusaders. XD
That's nice too.
Low/no tax, and every people buys their own food? This is basically libertarian/capitalism
@Gamer_Gangster7 With the state controlling food supply, it is kinda like state capitalism in my opinion.
Which is capitalism but the profit is to benefit the state. Basicslly similar to China's economic policy.
+10000 social credits, friend
I am basically 2 years late but da*n you are a true capitalist xD
As a Kid I always went out of my way to give my people a nice mixed diet of all food if possible, even if it meant playing highly inefficient.
But after "learning how the game works" I too of course sold all their food and got them drunk instead
Now you're thinking like a pharaoh!
That's communism for you. People are starving, but too drunk to do anything about it.
@@MK_ULTRA420 after make them drunk u can easyly scam ur people
Got them drunk enough so they forget about starving... better not say that to our politicians or they might get strange ideas. :P
Sold all the food to buy a brothel
why tf am I watching this
I wish you could tell me
I had this question for a while, How many wheat farms can support a mill and also how many bakeries can be supported by a mill? Both on normal, good and bad fear factor.
Changes based on their distance to stockpile/granary, but usually for me it's 1 wheat farm for every 2 bakeries, and one mill for every 3 wheat farms
@@Jefflenious thanks for your time!
I Remember the suggestions in One of the tutorial campaign missions in crusader suggesting a ratio of 3 farms : 1 mill : 8 bakeries, but you Always end up a lot flour and wheat in your stockpile... I think that on the usual Little distance in most balanced Maps, 3 weat farms can support at least 2 mills for efficiency and 12 bakeries
@@ShihammeDarc Wood needed.
@@Roccafresca It's hard to come up with exact numbers, because walking distance would mess everything up. But generally you'd want 2x more bakeries than wheat farms
And one mill for every 3 wheat farms should be enough most of the time
"Sell all the breads. feed people with ale instead" This would be a historical quote if you living in Louis XVI Era France.
In the first Stronghold I could dispose many fields to put farms of cows, but in the deserts of Stronghold Crusader the oasis we need small fields of wheat for a big poblation.
Stop eating bread. Drink beer!
While I agree that farm is the least efficient food, I loved it so much since cows are not only food resource but also leather.
Also, you can build them on higher ground.
I like to build one or two of them for leather armor and sell the rest/use it as emergency
The cows also made for decent ammunition.
Not really good idea but still works: You can destroy your stockpile and move it both close to apple farms and wheat production buildings so this doubles both food productions :D
you can have 2 even 3 even 4 stock piles ya know.
place one going fowards an one backwards make a long line as far as itll go before yoi run out of stock pile... delete the ones in between now you have 2..
to get a third add onto one going to whatever direction you need then delete the middle ones. now you have 3 repeat for infinite stockpile.
same works for armory and granary
@@JS-rv3et l think the peasants will prefer the original one though.
@@ChrisVideosGreek it doesn't make a difference.
having a stone stockpile near your quarry a flour next to the mill and bakery iron next to your smithy.
the peasants dont give a shit
On Stronhgold, not crusader, the first one, my brother would play the capitalist way : lost of food production, half-rations to the people, selling all the extra food away.
I would play Communism : lots of food production, double-rations and beer, insane amount of taxes.
Both system worked
There is also a method of making the bigger fear factor and bribe the people with the overproduction.
I personally think that food diversity which is +3 popularity combined of half rations, can counter negative factor handicaps by most allowing you to -4 fear factor (+40% work production) without any cost.
You wondering 40% more breads for sell while consuming some for food and other things looks quite another viable playable tactic and feels more fun to do lol
I'm not even playing Stronghold nowadays but your videos are so *so* good that I'm watching them anyways...all it's missing between you and the Age of Empires channel "Spirit of the Law" is a human narration
Every single time I play I end up with more ale than I know what to do with. It's so easy
"Don't use bread as food, sell it instead "
What??? That makes no sense. It's so easy for me to build a castle on basically any map that has granaries packed with food and entire pallets of ale even after opening a fourth Inn
I think you might be playing the game wrong if you're selling bread to buy ale
Point is, bread is a really nice gold source, and depending in situation you should save them (Not overfeed your people) and sell them instead
Taxing is usually worth up until -8, and there's also -5 fear factor which is really nice to have, you can increase your rations to meet the required popularity to maintain these two, but after that saving bread is more important
My usual setup is this: +4 food, +8 ale, +3 religion, -5 fear factor, -8 tax
You can go for normal rations or even half rations in some situations
Using ale, I sell the bread down to a lvl where you no longer get 200 per sale and I set tax up until my popularity is equal.
But one big question we never have this much space for buildings and even if we have how are we supposed to protect them from enemies
Bread is useful as hell
Not only It is made fast but you also can sell it for a good price both bread and flour are so cheap to make but godly to sell
The stronghold games were the only ones that ran well on my first pc I got as a child, and I think legends is the first pc game I played. It's awesome to see people making stuff about these games still
A fellow teabagging robot I see.
Mine's on xboner, but I don't really play it much at all.
Ah yes the worker glitch.....best glitch ever, a real life saver, it works with every building, you can have an army of workers in 1 building
it is not always about food.
meat: i never use
cheese: use for catapulted cows and leather armor.
bread: never use.
apple: always use. with at least 10 workers for each orchard.
my gold source is always iron and apple.
This why romans have a saying "panem et circenses" or "bread and circus". Without bread, rome wouldnt last a day. Keep giving your peasant a daily bread. And you can keep them working.
>You're not suppose to feed your people with bread
WOT? NO FOOD?
But but.. we're all starving lordship
I like to use orchards to tie up an enemy’s oasis area. They’re cheap to build so you can keep building them with a stable economy
Best "trick" I have found so far is to combine beer & place some chapels / churches. That way you can literally ignore food and set granary to off (no rations). You can also not even produce beer, but buy it from market, as it takes some time to run out. That way you can focus on other things (like military stuff). Also, I have heard that if you place a lot of statues & decorations, your workers will work slower, so that means that innkeepers will move slower - so they will not deliver barrels of beer that fast, meaning that your supply of bear will last longer.
Obviously cheese the worst cause tanners and enemies kill poor 🐄... follow by deer hunters...
apples have way more work cycles than dairy becauso of seasoning. THe double worker glitch i wouldn'T recommend as its a glitch and i would rather have it patched than used :D
Yeah they have no idle time because of that!
@Gamer_Gangster7 do extra rations, beer and -5 ff for -8 tax with a church, or just normal rations with -6 tax and church + cathedral
or make bread, cheese and apples and run half rations, do beer and -5 ff church+cathedral+few chapels(25% is easy, 50% is sometimes ok to do) and get -8 tax
@@cio61 unfortunately not as scaleable, as you ll run out of farmspace. With just bread you can scale indefinitely :)
U are spoiling us my lord
i know it's a game. But with only bread everyone would starve and i think it's funny when i stack this and everyone is happy. The fools
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For best production of Bread, you just need 4 Wheat farm and 1 Mill for fuelling 8 or might be 10 Bakery for maximum effeciency
No wonder why Saladin The Wise was the best Lord in term of economy, because he's using effeciency of Bakery, just look his castle with 2 Mill and 16-20 Bakery
But he does not have a good defense.
And camel dung to fuel the ovens.
@@gardayustisia4528 Saladin has one of the best defenses in the game.
@@somber8233 no he doesnt, he does not have any fire traps and enough archers to man his castle towers. So yeah u can beat him easily with just a few siege towers and dozens of macemen.
@@gardayustisia4528 I'm not talking about against me or other human players. None of the AIs have a good defense against a human. He objectively has one of the better defenses in the game. Pit him against any other AI and most of them will fail miserably.
Oh god after watching tons of cooking/baking videos this got recommended to me. But this turns out to be a gaming video. Watched it anyway but now i'm hooked up to playing the stronghold series. So i decided to watch speedrun tutorials and started speedrunning this myself. Got into the first 5 players of speedrunners within a week. Unfortunately i forgot to feed my sweetest daughter while speedrunning the shit out of this game and child services came to my house to detain my daughter from me, once my wife heard about this she passed me the divorce papers. Now i have to start paying child support for some little shit that can't make her own bread.
DAMN YOU UA-cam ALGOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Had me in the first half.
Maybe the worker glitch is intentional, since the last level of the first trail is pretty insane. There's an oasis that only fits one wheat or hops farm, a very scarce resource plus the stone and iron patches are too far, and the enemies are too many and you have to play the game pretty slow and use the worker glitch to get more wheat
you work all day in a city devoted to producing bread and are not even allowed to eat bread....
Using ale for feed and selling bread to outsiders sounds like soviet union.
in bavaria(ger) beer is considered a staple food ;)
"Sorry we're out of bread..But have some ale instead!"
Im really happy there is still people who care about this game lol, keep up the good work.
But the real question here is...
Can you place that there my lord?
Imagine watching as your people produce billions of bread per year and you can’t have a single bite.
☭
If i have oasis near, i prefer apple farms, cause they require less population to maintain. this is only possible with apple farms glitch.
I didn't understand so what do I do for food make ale or bread??
lol i thought this is just a video about food in real life lmao
But I dont understand, why you rate apple farms far better then cheese, is it only because of the glitch trick? Because their production is the same...
PLEASE can you do the math to see which of the 3 stages is best to sell at? Wheat vs flour vs bread
I play this game in 2013 and I forgot this game but now I play this game everytime plz upload more tricks
take your AI voice and shove it.
Building a dairy farm is still necessary for making leather armor though. I think it’s food production sucks so that it keeps it balanced with its use for making leather armor.
Watching this 2019: nah man, bread is empty calories and makes you fat
Watching this after Ukraine war: maybe he's right...
There was this one game I used to play as a kid but couldn't remember what it was called.
I've found it
doing stronghold crusader vids even in 2022, that's what I'd call commitment. Kudos to you.
"We barely get enough food and are tortured if we work too slowly, but hey, we have ale!"
Wow.... cheap alcohool and small bread suply on the biggest fear factor ... just like in real life!
One of my childhood friends. claimed he had read somewhere. That cheese was the best lol
No, you should feed your people. Up to certain point.
One peasant eats 1 food for 6.25 months. Let's imagine it's 6.25 apples, so he eats about 1 apple per month.
From no ration to half ration you get +4 rep, but every year you loose 6.25 apples on 1 person or 4 gold you could get from selling apples.
From +1 to -2 taxing, you get 0.6 gold from each peasant every month, so it's about 0.4 per month for +4 rep you gain from half rations. In year you will get 10 gold, it's certainly more than 4.
From -2 to -8 taxing, you get 0.2 gold for each -2 rep, so it's twice less effective and yet gives you 5 per month.
From -8 to -24 taxing, you get 0.2 gold for each -4 rep, it's already not worth it as you gain only 2.5 gold.
If you make more calculations, you will also conclude, that if you feed your citizens with cheese, apples and bread, it's profitable to buy meat for your people.
Of course it's not so applicable in the missions, since you get too many bonuses from ins and churches.
IMO, must object with meat and chesse rating - for the first one, there is another problem in terms of the efficiency of "produce-feed", in order to provide the population with uninterrupted food flow, it is necessary more that 50%+ (maybe even 80%) of the population go Hunters, which is not very convenient especially for military development. As for second - this is only way to make leather armor and make catapults and trebuchets throw cows (unless if you wouldn't take into account the merchant and his armor low cost ofc wwww).
First and foremost, great video, I agree with the bread being the best food...
...In a vacuum.
From personal experience, with how much space and time the production of bread takes, together with the necessary increase in population to get workers for it, the minor overal economy increase just cannot compensate for cheese farms' diversity for having cow ammo for trebuchets and leather armor for crossbowmen, since with a little bit of positive fear factor you can just slam down on half, or sometimes even no rations and the cheese sales do well enough. Also, with the bread, you have to place your granary close to your stockpile for efficiency, but with cheese it can be where the dairy farms are.
Fully 100% agree on the ale bit, though, but i find it silly and tend to not abuse it always, so take the above criticism with a grain of salt, Stronghold is a ridiculously broken game when it comes to minmaxing the mechanics.
seems like putin heard Your advice a lot years before You said it: sell bread, feed people with alchohol
I'm far too kindly a ruler. XD My ideal castle usually has every single food type available, extra rations, good ale coverage, and low taxes. "The people LOVE you, my Lord!" indeed.
Minimize fear factor. build pubs. Ale production. Stop granary food. That's how you don't even have to produce food. The only, downside is you can't tax the population. But if you produce food, you can sell that to generate gold.
Army needs food and water to run. Now it also needs diesel and other fuels. But anyway, the game Stronghold makes no connection between size of army and how much food supply we have. I think that the game design should include the food supply into the equation to limit army size.
2 wheat farms next to the stockpile can support an entire population, is not the farming of the wheat whats time consuming its its transportation, if your farms are too far away by the time the farmer retirns all the weath rots and he needs to start the process again.
Also another pro of bread is high population and taxes, with 200+ pop you get insane amount of taxes. Some times i run a food only economy, 200+ pop, breadx8 high taxes,vendor excess flour.
Well, that's how russia works
Jefflenious: "1 Wheat equal 1 Flour"
me: "am'i playing Hacked Stronghold or What? for me 1 Wheat equal 3 Flour"
You cannot explain bread in 3:15 minutes, it takes hours of just to brief bread history.
And that explains why I am clicking the do not recommend button.
I realized it when I played and I built every food source building evenly. My granary always have more bread, and there are still flour surplus.
Bread producing players are higly flammable, but it's just my opinion. Anyway thx for the video.
So... Spam wheat farms, maximize fear factor, sell all the bread abroad and make your people survive on alcohol. Stalin is clearly alive and makes youtube tutorials
LMAO
Much like the ancient Egyptians & every government since: you control the bread, you control the world.
"You're not supposed to feed your people using bread. You need to sell it instead."
Basically the early USSR!
"I know it sounds cruel, but that's how the game works" - Every government ever when making decisions.
Don't believe this lies. The best food is ale, as it's much easier to maintain +8 drunkness with ale then 0 food with bread.
Getting peasents so drunk that they forget they're hungry
😭🤣🤣
The British accent will never be adorable, even after hours, I suppose. :D [is that the righ word?]
Neat, learning stuff after playing this game for more than a decade.
jeff: Bread is the best food
me: Who uses the worker glitch to make more than enough apple to sell them and also maintain double rations
sorry but i can not agree with you, selling bread is not worth it. I would recommend increasing food consumption to get more taxes.
with cheese you can launch the cows on your enemies, and they will die in a fart cloud...
"Goodbye, Bessie!"
thought this was going to be about why we say "bread and circuses" and "earn your bread" and shit like that but it's a stronghold crusader video
i used to buy food that run out to give them a balanced meal.
from the thumbnail i thought this was a nutrition video where someone finally say that bread is good.
I'm pretty sure deer respawn on other parts of the map. Just like trees, every time you chop one down, it grows somewhere else on the map
I don't know how people being scared allows them to make bread using less flour but OK xD
>The best food is actually ale
Historically accurate
Simple answer - cause u go 2 farms + mill+ 10 bakes, and forget about food till the end
So bread only for sale and beer instead?!
Beer consumption rate is a lot lower than bread, and on top of that ale is a lot cheaper too
@@Jefflenious OK...
Jokes about stuffing your stomach with alcohol instead of food asides, and also since I don't know a thing about worker glitch, from my experience I have it better with cheese instead of apples. What I notice most of the time with Apple Orchards, is that while they have a consistent growth cycle to reach the harvesting season, the workers tend to waste their time walking from the Orchards to the Granaries and back, hence there's a chance that they missed the harvesting season and had to wait a bit until the apples are ripes again. Hell, I vaguely remembered witnessing an apple farmer arrives in the middle of harvesting season, but he can only collects a little amount of apples so he walked to the granary to store what little bits of apples he harvested, rinse and repeat, so that apple farmer in particular never really yields the optimum amount of apples.
In comparison, the Dairy Farms needs only wait until there are three cows before milking them and process it to make the cheese. Plus the cows provides material for tanners to make leather armors for crossbowmen and macemen, and the dead cows provide ammunition for bio-warfare.
Still, it's better to provide at least 2 types of food, providing cheese and bread at huge quantities + double rationing them never fails to carry my reputation as I tax my workers and scares them into working harder with fear factors. I've never played multiplayer though, so I wouldn't know if this "strats" works in a match against players.
which economy is better with same amount of workers?only wheat farm or wheat farm, mill and bakery.
Keep up the good work, It makes me feel so happy that there are still content creators.
well if you set food rations to 0 and keep your people drunk it actually solves hunger problems :D
@@Vialleynie lol
i think they designed this intentionally, and its quite a genius touch.
hunting, orchard & dairy farms require little manpower & little resources to produce food, which provides an easy way to kick start your settlement. as you grow your population, you'll gather more resources & have more people & be able to transition into bread production. at this point, food sources other than bread turns into somewhat luxury items, which you could use to increase the variety of your granary, to increase popularity.
this somehow resembles our society IRL - processed foods are scalable in production & made to be cost-effective (cheap), whereas the pure form of food is sometimes expensive.
I always felt bad as a kid thinking of Pig's people all constipated eating nothing but cheese.
I thought the video would be about real bread instead of stronghold's bread but tahnks anyways.
I didn't understand he was talking about a game at first and I was very confused for a while.
I have an exam tomorrow, but im watching this
Make sure to study! Good luck
@@Jefflenious cheers mate
Because it's delicious and can be mixed with literally anything
I dont even play stronghold, but i watched the whole thing.
Giving people Ale instead of bread. Ah yes, the Friar Tuck approach