I'm not sure if you were intentionally not mentioning another rule for the budget Unkillable comp and the unkillable buff, but there's an additional rule that applies with the unkillable buff: The CB generally ignores unkillable as a buff unless the target has below 15% remaining HP. In that case he suddenly notices that that target can't be killed and then selects the next best stun target following the other criteria you mentioned. This is especially important for budget UK comps where the HP relationship between your slow boy and Pain Keeper has to allow Pain Keeper to heal the slow boy to at least 15% of his HP. Thats where the rule on DWJs site comes from that PK's HP must be around 10% lower than the slow boy but not lower as otherwise her heal wont be strong enough anymore to heal the slow boy to 15% of his HP anymore. In my experience this is the second most common issue when people build their budget UK comps, apart from TM masteries on any champ. But great video and very clear and concise explanation of the stun mechanic.
Saph, I know this is a year old, but thanks for another great vid. Lifedrinker was throwing off my stun target -- changed up my masteries in my budget unkillable comp and its all sorted now. 'preciate the good work!
I have followed DWJ calculator, double demytha works for me perfectly on UNM, however on NM, demythas take stun, but it is always the faster one and the other one cannot remove it, while on UNM it works every time
they also take stuns on UNM, but it is always the slower one who gets stun and the other one uses A2 to remove it. I have no idea what to do : * they both have steadfast, other champs don't * skullcrusher has lowest defense most HP * this happens on all afinities, so that is not the issue
1st off, I must say the fu myth combo is absolutely amazing. Went from 57ish mill (doublemaneater) to 91-96 mill with fu, demy, anax,seeker & heiress. Absolutely love this team. However, I did notice 1 out of 5 or so times Heiress takes the stun, which means game over. I even removed steadfast from seeker so that he may have a higher chance of taking the stun. But still she takes the stun every now & then. I just back out and save the key if I catch it in time. I appreciate all of the info in this video. Because it's driving me crazy. So in conclusion I gather I need to bump heiress's DEF & HP, so the CB thinks she's tougher and less likely to 1 shot. Is this correct? Also, have you had this happen in this compilation? Definitely good content. Thanks for sharing the info!!
You say stun target should be highest hp w/ lowest def. The skull-crusher is stun target on warcaster unkillable comps I’m researching has the highest def on the team, Why this have to be so confusing
ıt is a great subject to learn more about. Thanks a lot. Got one question: I realized boss doesn't wanna hit to a target who has reflect damage aswell. Is there a specific reason you skipped it or it doesn't effect boss' target mechanics at all ?
im running warcaset , seeker , renegade , sullcrusher and fayne . i need CB to target skullcrusher always , but sometimes he target others each time , he is targeting warcaster recently but each time i try to modify or change some stats on my champs but still did not manage to fix it
Dude, this is a real pain. Stun keeps going to my maneater, and I've done everything to try and change it. I believe it is seekers passive that's messing it up. How do I fix that?!
his 1st choice is to look for a kill, does he consider 'Unkillable' buff when deciding this? if all my champions are 100% HP except a champion with 20% HP and Unkillable buff, will he choose that champion or will he choose a weak affinity champion with full HP?
Good info, but I cannot keep Heiress from getting stunned by the Spirit Clan Boss. I just can't get anyone else's HP lower than hers ... Deacon is the only other potential target, and I wind up trading attack for HP so I get less damage. I wonder if I could use Fu-Shan and get him to be the target...
This is great for me because I have been stuck in nightmare plan boss no matter what I do to my team simply because my skull crusher always gets targeted for the Sun and so I lose my rotation
Made Skullcrusher for UNM Void accoring to DWJs "Santa Unkillable on Auto" from 4k def and 37k hp to 1,7k def and 35k hp. Yep, he gets stun, but also dies on turn 3... RIP Santa strategy, let's work on Maneater comps with cleanse/addition block debuffs.
you said CB avoids block damage buff, but I saw a video from deadwoodjedi and scratch where they say that reflect damage is the buff which the CB avoids. So which one?
I have a quest: if I wanna use taurus as stun target because of his sacrificing hp to 1% and unkillable buff, will the spirit cb pick him as target or the others? If taurus' hp recovers back to 15% maxhp, will the spirit cb pick him?
Hello, amazing video, did explain a ton to me more then reading the spreadsheet. I am planning on the following comp: Zavia(leader), Ninja, Roshgard, Warcaster and Seeker. With the block damage buff up all the time, will the stun go just to Zavia or do i have to still get a stun target?
i have a problem. the clan boss would suddenly change his target. i'm currently running a team of jintoro, annax, helicath, skullcrusher (stun target) and lastly lanakis. it runs fine in the first few rounds, based on buffs alone during the rest have more buffs the clan boss doesn't like than with skullcrusher, and he will always have less than 100% hp compared to my other champs, but still, in the middle of the fight clan boss would suddenly change target. been working on it a couple of days and running out of silver.
great video - as always - quick question, does the same logic also apply for dungeon bosses attacks i.e. will the spider queen attack champs based on similar list of criteria ?
Hi there! Thx for the video it really explained a lot just got one question though. So If i get my team to fit each and every criteria of the list of stun target selection but i still have a weak affinity in does it mean since it's the second thing the clan boss checks, that he will target that weak affinity champion even though i meet all the criteria below like buffs and more % hp on stun like everything else except affinity is correct will the clan boss still target my weak affinity poisoner?
Doesn't work for me... my DPS have the lowest hp, are affinity neutral, have the same buffs, 100% HP and no leader and yet, it still stun Deacon... I honestly don't know what to do
fantastic video! no week where I haven't to explain this to someone out of our Clan community, or sometimes a random in a DC. from now on I will just reference this video. Also: Yay, I am a true for science fan ^^
I feel like this order isn't correct anymore... I have a Doompriest acting as stun target with the lowest HP. It works in a Tower/Demytha comp but not in a Helicath/Demytha comp :(
For the moment its the sipirit aff unm cb the slow on pk very a pain in the ass i solved the problem by giving her 300 and plus resistance the other problem is that my maneater get target sometimes and I don't understand why the fuck he because hes the one who got the more def and less hp
I'm not sure if you were intentionally not mentioning another rule for the budget Unkillable comp and the unkillable buff, but there's an additional rule that applies with the unkillable buff:
The CB generally ignores unkillable as a buff unless the target has below 15% remaining HP. In that case he suddenly notices that that target can't be killed and then selects the next best stun target following the other criteria you mentioned.
This is especially important for budget UK comps where the HP relationship between your slow boy and Pain Keeper has to allow Pain Keeper to heal the slow boy to at least 15% of his HP.
Thats where the rule on DWJs site comes from that PK's HP must be around 10% lower than the slow boy but not lower as otherwise her heal wont be strong enough anymore to heal the slow boy to 15% of his HP anymore.
In my experience this is the second most common issue when people build their budget UK comps, apart from TM masteries on any champ.
But great video and very clear and concise explanation of the stun mechanic.
Saph, I know this is a year old, but thanks for another great vid. Lifedrinker was throwing off my stun target -- changed up my masteries in my budget unkillable comp and its all sorted now. 'preciate the good work!
It's like you guys read my mind. Exactly what I wanted to learn this morning.
I have followed DWJ calculator, double demytha works for me perfectly on UNM, however on NM, demythas take stun, but it is always the faster one and the other one cannot remove it, while on UNM it works every time
they also take stuns on UNM, but it is always the slower one who gets stun and the other one uses A2 to remove it. I have no idea what to do :
* they both have steadfast, other champs don't
* skullcrusher has lowest defense most HP
* this happens on all afinities, so that is not the issue
Also, I was dumb and didn't read about making a copy of the spreadsheet so I'm sorry for requesting access to the editing!
Hey Saph just wanted to let you know you're awesome my friend. The amount of work and thought you put in is crazy. Truly appreciated.
1st off, I must say the fu myth combo is absolutely amazing. Went from 57ish mill (doublemaneater) to 91-96 mill with fu, demy, anax,seeker & heiress. Absolutely love this team. However, I did notice 1 out of 5 or so times Heiress takes the stun, which means game over. I even removed steadfast from seeker so that he may have a higher chance of taking the stun. But still she takes the stun every now & then. I just back out and save the key if I catch it in time. I appreciate all of the info in this video. Because it's driving me crazy. So in conclusion I gather I need to bump heiress's DEF & HP, so the CB thinks she's tougher and less likely to 1 shot. Is this correct? Also, have you had this happen in this compilation? Definitely good content. Thanks for sharing the info!!
I view many clan boss stun video, this is the best so far. Thanks.
You say stun target should be highest hp w/ lowest def. The skull-crusher is stun target on warcaster unkillable comps I’m researching has the highest def on the team, Why this have to be so confusing
ıt is a great subject to learn more about. Thanks a lot. Got one question: I realized boss doesn't wanna hit to a target who has reflect damage aswell. Is there a specific reason you skipped it or it doesn't effect boss' target mechanics at all ?
im running warcaset , seeker , renegade , sullcrusher and fayne . i need CB to target skullcrusher always , but sometimes he target others each time , he is targeting warcaster recently but each time i try to modify or change some stats on my champs but still did not manage to fix it
Dude, this is a real pain. Stun keeps going to my maneater, and I've done everything to try and change it.
I believe it is seekers passive that's messing it up. How do I fix that?!
his 1st choice is to look for a kill, does he consider 'Unkillable' buff when deciding this?
if all my champions are 100% HP except a champion with 20% HP and Unkillable buff, will he choose that champion or will he choose a weak affinity champion with full HP?
The file->save option of the stun calculator is not avaliable, is it possible to have it enable? ty
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Good info, but I cannot keep Heiress from getting stunned by the Spirit Clan Boss. I just can't get anyone else's HP lower than hers ... Deacon is the only other potential target, and I wind up trading attack for HP so I get less damage. I wonder if I could use Fu-Shan and get him to be the target...
This is great for me because I have been stuck in nightmare plan boss no matter what I do to my team simply because my skull crusher always gets targeted for the Sun and so I lose my rotation
Solid video mate thanks
Thank for thus. It's much later but it's helped so much. My block damage champ keeps getting targeted.
Does the clan boss consider shield buff?
Made Skullcrusher for UNM Void accoring to DWJs "Santa Unkillable on Auto" from 4k def and 37k hp to 1,7k def and 35k hp. Yep, he gets stun, but also dies on turn 3... RIP Santa strategy, let's work on Maneater comps with cleanse/addition block debuffs.
So, you have to have the Clan Boss put out the stun target before you put an unkillable? I'm still not clear on this stun target champion...
you said CB avoids block damage buff, but I saw a video from deadwoodjedi and scratch where they say that reflect damage is the buff which the CB avoids. So which one?
Did you find your answer to this question?
I have a quest: if I wanna use taurus as stun target because of his sacrificing hp to 1% and unkillable buff, will the spirit cb pick him as target or the others? If taurus' hp recovers back to 15% maxhp, will the spirit cb pick him?
did you ever get an answer to this?
Good job! That was well explained
Non related question: is the "rares only" challenge still going on? Any news on that?
Hi John it is but Phixion is very unwell with covid atm so most of his content is on hold
Haha I asked the same question. I guess I got my answer.
Hello, amazing video, did explain a ton to me more then reading the spreadsheet.
I am planning on the following comp: Zavia(leader), Ninja, Roshgard, Warcaster and Seeker.
With the block damage buff up all the time, will the stun go just to Zavia or do i have to still get a stun target?
Am I the only one who finds his voice calming? Thanks for this explanation
First time i heard about steadfast mastery nice
Absolutely great job explaining the mechanics. Great vid
I am not sure this has been covered but what if the stun target is immune to stuns. Does the CB take this into account?
i have a problem. the clan boss would suddenly change his target. i'm currently running a team of jintoro, annax, helicath, skullcrusher (stun target) and lastly lanakis. it runs fine in the first few rounds, based on buffs alone during the rest have more buffs the clan boss doesn't like than with skullcrusher, and he will always have less than 100% hp compared to my other champs, but still, in the middle of the fight clan boss would suddenly change target. been working on it a couple of days and running out of silver.
HHGN, does toxic set procs just once on a multi attack skill like Brakus A2? TY
Great Info!! Thanks
looks good, cept for when he attacks ur full hp tank and doesnt hit the one health remaining squishy with no buffs.
I''m running Gnut and Deacon. Deacon has 50k and steadfast and he's still taking the stun instead of Gnut who has 35k
great video - as always - quick question, does the same logic also apply for dungeon bosses attacks i.e. will the spider queen
attack champs based on similar list of criteria ?
The spider has all aoe attacks
@@booyafools5897 Probably meant the Spiderlings
I believe so.
Does perfect veil work? I'm thinking the new fusion lego, might direct the stun regardless of affinity and return 30% of the damage.
Hi there! Thx for the video it really explained a lot just got one question though. So If i get my team to fit each and every criteria of the list of stun target selection but i still have a weak affinity in does it mean since it's the second thing the clan boss checks, that he will target that weak affinity champion even though i meet all the criteria below like buffs and more % hp on stun like everything else except affinity is correct will the clan boss still target my weak affinity poisoner?
Doesn't work for me... my DPS have the lowest hp, are affinity neutral, have the same buffs, 100% HP and no leader and yet, it still stun Deacon... I honestly don't know what to do
Same problem at demytha/deac/khatun comp+aothar+rhazin. -_- it worked vs Force, but Thats it.
I was undeder the impression that i want low hp and high defense for the clan boss to target with stun, This is completely opposite?
Seeker keeps messing my unkillable team up, he has steadfast but loses incr def first so he becomes the target and it messes everything up
fantastic video! no week where I haven't to explain this to someone out of our Clan community, or sometimes a random in a DC. from now on I will just reference this video.
Also: Yay, I am a true for science fan ^^
Thank you, it helped me a lot. 😍🤩😘
really outstanding explanation
If the clan boss can one shot someone but they have unkillable buff on won't the CB not target that person? So CB technically looks at buffs first?
I feel like this order isn't correct anymore... I have a Doompriest acting as stun target with the lowest HP. It works in a Tower/Demytha comp but not in a Helicath/Demytha comp :(
Good job man but in my team clan boss change the aggro until skullcrusher have 1 hp
Thanks for this!
Really helpful insight
yeah wrong stun target is getting hit in my clan boss budget unkillable maneater team. Geomancer is supposed to be the stun target not skullcrusher.
For the moment its the sipirit aff unm cb the slow on pk very a pain in the ass i solved the problem by giving her 300 and plus resistance the other problem is that my maneater get target sometimes and I don't understand why the fuck he because hes the one who got the more def and less hp
Thanks
Well done!
the visuals really help!
For me the clan boss stuns the champ with Highest HP and lowest defence all the time
go watch another video if ur looking for something that is correct. non of what u said works