I like check lists. So if the dungeon list is supposed to be a check list, shouldnt buffs (nr 3), be number 1 on the check list? Then everything makes sence to me. The enemies first looks for the buffs (CA, inc DEF, block damage). If these are equal, they look for anyone that can be killed, then negative affinity, lowest HP etc. In your examples in spider, they dont look for affinity first (nr 2), but rather counter attack (nr 3). To me, that means that the first thing on the list should be buffs.
Its exactly the same in the clan boss part. The clan boss does NOT focus on the easiest kill potential first (16:37 in the video). It FIRST looks at the buffs and excludes some members (scyl in this case). THEN the clan boss looks for kill potential. So number 3 should be number 1 on the check list (if I understand you correctly).
@@HellHades @wigrend Buffs are not the first condition. I run unkillable tower/skullcrusher and sc should be the stun target all the time, but if his hp is too low CB hits other target.
Thanks for making this video HH. You and DWJ are my go-to's and I have to say, I appreciate that no matter what my question may be, you two always have it covered. Thank you even-more-so for taking so much time to do these for folks, it makes our lives easier.
Finally some great infomation from the game that will help us players a ton. So many hidden game mechanics slowly being unwrapped for us to min max our play even further. Thanks alot! No wonder Paragon works so well as unkillable.
It possibly wasnt intended like that but works nice all the same. The ai seems to disregard unk buff and laser focuses on the low hp . They may fix it one day
Hey hades! If at all possible could you do a guide sometime in the future about nightmare campaign? I know it probably seems simple but I’m hardstuck about halfway through it. I’d love to know what gear sets and champions are good for nightmare campaign, especially bosses! Thanks and cheers! Great vid btw!
16:46 i cant see how this 5 rules are in place in your 100M Clan Boss Team Video. I am strugglying to understand how there your Lydia is stuntarget and once it is Bad El for some reason. Is there more choices then this. Something between 4th and 5th position.
I learned the buffs affecting the targetting when I was trying to get my pain+maneater unkillable working and decided to be a bit cheeky with my stun target, decided to try and use beardall as he has the counter attack up 100% of the time, fiddled around with the HPs and defences and at one point I just put him in with so little HP he was nearly 20%hp when others were at 100% and CB still threw the stun hit to someone else. 3h and 5m of silver later I had to conclude it's because of the counter attack that CB didn't bother hitting Beardall
Ok nice to see someone who had this problem. Please help me with this. I'll send my info and you can try it on the speed calculator thing for yourself and help me understand this retard clan boss
nightmare. It is with booked 4star level 40 gnarlhorn(174 spd), booked sir nic(239.79 spd), tatura/sepulcher only 4 turn block debuff/ increase def(211.23 spd), venomage(177.79 spd) and stag knight (176 spd). Disabled sir nic a2, disabled, gnarl a2 and disabled tatura a3. Clan boss run now: Skip 1 turn sir nic, skip 2 turn tatura/sepulcher and skip 2 turn for gnarlhorn. And then it works but after he attacks gnarlhorn first time with the stun, from the second stun and on he starts hitting tatura with it. Tatura can take the hit up until like turn 29 or something and from there when tatura dies it runs normally where he decides he wants to hit gnarlhorn but obviously when gnarl takes the stun now he loses cooldown and I will lose. Why is he attacking tatura instead
Everything is running well and after he uses his first stun move on gnarlhorn, everytime he gets the stun move back he only uses on tatura now only until he is killed
Great vid thank you! :) PS this vid is close to a year old... I think an updated eminder vid on this subject would be very popular, and perhaps some other 'secret' mechanics vids would do the community great!!
Trying to push some paragon cheese to get to higher level spider... curious... once paragon is basically dead and loaded with poison counters. The spiderlings avoid him... his hp is roughly 8k, next lowest is about 20k... how much higher do I need to bring this before the spiderlings simply don’t swap targets? Also, how much HP difference do we need to pull attack off of a weak affinity to a neutral or even a strong one?
How about for sepulcher's passive. I have martyr in lead and have sepulcher second. Should I make her the third one so the cb will hit geomancer instead? If I put geo second, will he still be protected by sepulcher'S passive?
Hello, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I need some advices regarding NM CB. I run Jareg as a leader, Doompriest, Skullcrusher, Frozen Banshee, Vizier. Jareg always gets stun from cb. It's no problem because of Doompriest. I plan to use second Skullcrusher instead of Doompriest. Question is - how to gear-up Skullcrusher that he get stun? Thanks for advices! :)
@@TomyBinho he lied about how he got masteries on his f2p kael. He said he grinded it for few days, called him out under every video. 2 weeks later he finally confirmed it but blocked me :D
I have a big problem when moving the stun target. I'm trying to build an unkillable with demytha, and Im not able to move the stun target from Heiress to Geomancer. My heiress has 22k health and 2k def, and my Geomancer has 1,1k def and 29k health. at the first turn, I can clearly see that Geomancer takes more dmg than my Heiress, however, when the stun comes, the boss always goes for Heiress. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Hum, is it possible that the CB on void affinity works on a different way ? My Jareg is always the stun target but he is also the member of my team with the higgest HP. He is at 40K while my 4 others team member are below 30K (SC, kael, frozen and bulwark). Maybe because of the ally protection ? The CB prefer focus the guy withtout ally protection ?
If you have any tips to finding a clan for your “level”, I really need it! I’m just mange too fix an unkilleble team, thanks to you ☺️, and want double reward every day for UNM boss.
how come the clan boss stuns targets my martyr all the time, she has the highest hp, with counter attack and increase defense? this is the problem im facing on my clan boss team, clan boss being void affinity
Hi Hell Hades, there's something that's puzzled me for awhile now and I'm hoping you can answer it for me. I've noticed when watching your videos (and some other CC's as well), that you often have a large amount of Gems and Silver... However I (don't recall ever) seeing a large amount of energy... it is always at or around the daily refill amount... can you comment back to me on this?
Hi Hell Hades, For the Spider 20, I 've seen on the channel of "Cold Brew Gaming" the use of a low-level-Paragon tank who makes himself unkillable. The little spiders focus him well despite his buff while armigers focus on the large one which can never hit. Bug or exception according to you ?
Just watching the list, and while I do understand what you are saying perfectly, the list is contradictory to what you are saying. So you list the order as: Can it be killed Negative affinity Buffs etc But, you show perfectly that Scyll is avoided because of buffs, even though she is the easy target. This shows that buffs take precedence over killable targets, so your list should begin with buffs. Awesome content btw :) Love your stuff! It helps me a lot.
Buffs not counter attack. So if there was only unkillable up she would take the slam but since counter attack was on her too that ONE particular buff told the cb no no. Its inaccurate to say all buffs when only one or two buff takes precedent
Thats why when you see an unkillable team they dont have counter attack in it expect for when SC is putting up his CA before the boss slam that way he take the slam while he is unkillable for that one hit cause he the only CA user that doesn't place CA on itself
So THAT'S what's wrong with my unkillable, my Geomancer's %hp is getting higher than Maneater's and he's getting stunned and ending the run. Thanks as always!
I can see in this week summon 2x evant u will add u rotos collection..i wise n hope i will get valkriy this time...booom ez but im f2p ancient shard hard to get
well now iv'e know why lordly legionary has not been working in my unkillable team... the reflect damage must deaggroing him. guess that was a waste of silver
That's kind of correct. CB will ignore champs with low hp if unkillable as knows they can't be killed, therefore it'll focus someone with higher hp which it can damage. That's generally how you stun bait with unkillable... make sure your stun target is above threshold whilst everyone else is below. Got to account for def a well though if multiple above threshold.
Did I miss a shard opening or something, when did you get Martyr!?! and where is your Martyr build video!?!?!?!?!? lol I'm assuming that I slept on that vid or something?
Seems like the order is not correct, is it? The CB should have hit Scyl with defense buff because of biggest kill potential if it was right, I think. Awesome vid anyways! :)
@hell Hades please, please, PLEASE explain to me: Sepulcher Sentinel 31k hp, 3,6k defence Skullcrusher 48k hp, 4k defence clan boss focus 99,9% of the time Sepulcher Sentinel - WHY??? buff's are the exact same... void affinity i gave skullcrusher way more hp thinking he would now tank those hit's and cancel them with his passive but NOPE??
From my (limited) testing, it seems to be absolute hp numbers, not % of hp that matters more to AI So... If you have 60k champ & 20k champ @ 50%, AI goes for 20k champ. But if you have 60k champ @ 50% and 20k champ @ 66% then AI will target 20k champ as it has less absolute hp points, therefore is easier to kill
it doesnt make any scence HH it wont work what you saying..talking about CB you can make in order everythink you can but still if you have maneater A3 delay on 1 CB will stun him knowing next att will be unkiklible you can do what you want it wont help
I disagree - signed, Clan Boss. Sorry @Hell Hades - not one of your best videos. I understand you trying to help but following DWJ, I'm even more confused.
thats really funny video . now cb hit the easiest killing target which is scyl drake . wow but he cant hahahaha. again she is the target :D but u insist to number 1st is easiest kill target :D Thats buff 1st obvious :D hard to understand why u insist about easy to kill ...
I like check lists. So if the dungeon list is supposed to be a check list, shouldnt buffs (nr 3), be number 1 on the check list? Then everything makes sence to me. The enemies first looks for the buffs (CA, inc DEF, block damage). If these are equal, they look for anyone that can be killed, then negative affinity, lowest HP etc. In your examples in spider, they dont look for affinity first (nr 2), but rather counter attack (nr 3). To me, that means that the first thing on the list should be buffs.
Its exactly the same in the clan boss part. The clan boss does NOT focus on the easiest kill potential first (16:37 in the video). It FIRST looks at the buffs and excludes some members (scyl in this case). THEN the clan boss looks for kill potential. So number 3 should be number 1 on the check list (if I understand you correctly).
maybe you are correct. it is not as cut and dry as that but yes good observation
@UCUFknM16lRiqv-dqRLAtc6A That does not mean it does not look for buffs first. If buffs equal, go to next point in list.
@@slarzyer So, if this was to be a check list then it is supposed to be nr 1. If it's something else, you can place it anywhere.
@@HellHades @wigrend Buffs are not the first condition. I run unkillable tower/skullcrusher and sc should be the stun target all the time, but if his hp is too low CB hits other target.
AI: oh no, he's got a shield, on no she's got counter attack, on no he's got def up, oh there we go... an unkillable. attack!
Great analysis!
nice
Thanks for making this video HH. You and DWJ are my go-to's and I have to say, I appreciate that no matter what my question may be, you two always have it covered. Thank you even-more-so for taking so much time to do these for folks, it makes our lives easier.
Great breakdown!
That was really informative, especially the hp part.
Mate, you are an absolute rockstar! Great video!
Thanks for this guide, I've been struggling so much to try and keep the clan boss off my maneater/pain keeper
Finally some great infomation from the game that will help us players a ton. So many hidden game mechanics slowly being unwrapped for us to min max our play even further. Thanks alot! No wonder Paragon works so well as unkillable.
It possibly wasnt intended like that but works nice all the same. The ai seems to disregard unk buff and laser focuses on the low hp . They may fix it one day
Thank you so much this video changed my life❤
Wow! This is awesome insight into aggro and reveals all the holes in my dungeon teams. Thx Mr H 😀👍🏼 I’ve got a lot of re-gearing to do 😂
Thanks for one more valuable educational video, love your analytic factual approach.
Very, very helpful. I wish I could give you more than one thumb up.
Hey hades! If at all possible could you do a guide sometime in the future about nightmare campaign? I know it probably seems simple but I’m hardstuck about halfway through it. I’d love to know what gear sets and champions are good for nightmare campaign, especially bosses!
Thanks and cheers! Great vid btw!
16:46 i cant see how this 5 rules are in place in your 100M Clan Boss Team Video. I am strugglying to understand how there your Lydia is stuntarget and once it is Bad El for some reason. Is there more choices then this. Something between 4th and 5th position.
I learned the buffs affecting the targetting when I was trying to get my pain+maneater unkillable working and decided to be a bit cheeky with my stun target, decided to try and use beardall as he has the counter attack up 100% of the time, fiddled around with the HPs and defences and at one point I just put him in with so little HP he was nearly 20%hp when others were at 100% and CB still threw the stun hit to someone else. 3h and 5m of silver later I had to conclude it's because of the counter attack that CB didn't bother hitting Beardall
Ok nice to see someone who had this problem. Please help me with this. I'll send my info and you can try it on the speed calculator thing for yourself and help me understand this retard clan boss
nightmare. It is with booked 4star level 40 gnarlhorn(174 spd), booked sir nic(239.79 spd), tatura/sepulcher only 4 turn block debuff/ increase def(211.23 spd), venomage(177.79 spd) and stag knight (176 spd). Disabled sir nic a2, disabled, gnarl a2 and disabled tatura a3. Clan boss run now: Skip 1 turn sir nic, skip 2 turn tatura/sepulcher and skip 2 turn for gnarlhorn. And then it works but after he attacks gnarlhorn first time with the stun, from the second stun and on he starts hitting tatura with it. Tatura can take the hit up until like turn 29 or something and from there when tatura dies it runs normally where he decides he wants to hit gnarlhorn but obviously when gnarl takes the stun now he loses cooldown and I will lose. Why is he attacking tatura instead
Everything is running well and after he uses his first stun move on gnarlhorn, everytime he gets the stun move back he only uses on tatura now only until he is killed
great video and great guide
ty HH
thats my favourite videos from you
Excellent vidoe HH loves the crisp details
Awesome video!! This really helps...👍🏼
Another solid informative content 👍
This actually helped me understand the game alot more
Excelent! Thanks again.
i never knew about the buffs affecting the AI that makes alot of sense now that i think about it
ty HH :)
Thanks HH, it's very helpful!
This is a big help, Thanks!
Great Explanation!
Great vid thank you! :) PS this vid is close to a year old... I think an updated
eminder vid on this subject would be very popular, and perhaps some other 'secret' mechanics vids would do the community great!!
great info, thanks alot!
This is basically the Clan Boss looking at all the cookies in the cookie jar deciding which is the most scrumptious 😋
Nice quid, buff thing wose supraise for me, can you exsplained also masteris why warmaster why not helmsmasher and so on
Thank you. This explains a lot
Trying to push some paragon cheese to get to higher level spider... curious... once paragon is basically dead and loaded with poison counters. The spiderlings avoid him... his hp is roughly 8k, next lowest is about 20k... how much higher do I need to bring this before the spiderlings simply don’t swap targets? Also, how much HP difference do we need to pull attack off of a weak affinity to a neutral or even a strong one?
great video. thanks HH and Rust
So how do unkillable teams work when the "stun target" is generally the only one with the unkillable or block damage buff?
Thank you for this.
Great video
Super helpful!
great video thanks hell hades
can you do skytoucher shaman?
How about for sepulcher's passive. I have martyr in lead and have sepulcher second. Should I make her the third one so the cb will hit geomancer instead? If I put geo second, will he still be protected by sepulcher'S passive?
Nice thx ... u can show us how to calkulate arena speed after speed booster pls :) ?
Hello, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I need some advices regarding NM CB. I run Jareg as a leader, Doompriest, Skullcrusher, Frozen Banshee, Vizier. Jareg always gets stun from cb. It's no problem because of Doompriest. I plan to use second Skullcrusher instead of Doompriest. Question is - how to gear-up Skullcrusher that he get stun? Thanks for advices! :)
All hail Hades the king of raid content
Not really, he's just blocking subs for calling him out when he's lying, kinda sad
hhcanttakecriticism hh what did he lie about?
@@TomyBinho bruv look at his nameeee he's trying to hard😭
@@TomyBinho he lied about how he got masteries on his f2p kael. He said he grinded it for few days, called him out under every video. 2 weeks later he finally confirmed it but blocked me :D
I have a big problem when moving the stun target. I'm trying to build an unkillable with demytha, and Im not able to move the stun target from Heiress to Geomancer. My heiress has 22k health and 2k def, and my Geomancer has 1,1k def and 29k health. at the first turn, I can clearly see that Geomancer takes more dmg than my Heiress, however, when the stun comes, the boss always goes for Heiress. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Hello, can not find how much resistance i should have to not get stuned by CB UNM. Does anyone have the info ?
I don't know if I ever want to be in a position where the Clan Boss thinks I'm the "most attractive to him" >_< lol
8:31 They're scared of counter attack XD
does same work for AI battles (auto) in arena?
Hum, is it possible that the CB on void affinity works on a different way ? My Jareg is always the stun target but he is also the member of my team with the higgest HP. He is at 40K while my 4 others team member are below 30K (SC, kael, frozen and bulwark). Maybe because of the ally protection ? The CB prefer focus the guy withtout ally protection ?
Is he leader ?
If you have any tips to finding a clan for your “level”, I really need it! I’m just mange too fix an unkilleble team, thanks to you ☺️, and want double reward every day for UNM boss.
how come the clan boss stuns targets my martyr all the time, she has the highest hp, with counter attack and increase defense? this is the problem im facing on my clan boss team, clan boss being void affinity
Well done
Amazing!
Thank u 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Hell Hades, there's something that's puzzled me for awhile now and I'm hoping you can answer it for me. I've noticed when watching your videos (and some other CC's as well), that you often have a large amount of Gems and Silver... However I (don't recall ever) seeing a large amount of energy... it is always at or around the daily refill amount... can you comment back to me on this?
I only convert gems into energy if I'm long term farming
Hi Hell Hades,
For the Spider 20, I 've seen on the channel of "Cold Brew Gaming" the use of a low-level-Paragon tank who makes himself unkillable. The little spiders focus him well despite his buff while armigers focus on the large one which can never hit.
Bug or exception according to you ?
yeah unkillable buff is not a buff they care about for some reason. so it follows what i have said. its odd they made it that way
Helpful indeed:)
Just watching the list, and while I do understand what you are saying perfectly, the list is contradictory to what you are saying.
So you list the order as:
Can it be killed
Negative affinity
Buffs etc
But, you show perfectly that Scyll is avoided because of buffs, even though she is the easy target. This shows that buffs take precedence over killable targets, so your list should begin with buffs.
Awesome content btw :) Love your stuff! It helps me a lot.
Buffs not counter attack. So if there was only unkillable up she would take the slam but since counter attack was on her too that ONE particular buff told the cb no no. Its inaccurate to say all buffs when only one or two buff takes precedent
Thats why when you see an unkillable team they dont have counter attack in it expect for when SC is putting up his CA before the boss slam that way he take the slam while he is unkillable for that one hit cause he the only CA user that doesn't place CA on itself
The def buff also protected Scyll. I appreciate it is not all buffs, but all I mean is, those buffs do take precedence.
@@andrewhoughton8035 yea ofc hades mention that in the vid. Just imagine the community back in 2018 early 2019 we was confuse as hell back then lol
11:30 clan boss
Can you do a vid on speed tuning aoe block debuff? 😁 To avoid the stun all together. MAUSOLEUM MAGE comes to mind.
Sepulcher Sentinel is queen for that
@@mrGlekkev dont have her yet unfortunately.
Why tanks in a defense chest? Don't they need more health to create biggee % of lost health?
So THAT'S what's wrong with my unkillable, my Geomancer's %hp is getting higher than Maneater's and he's getting stunned and ending the run. Thanks as always!
Good vid
05:51 that's what i'm always saying in arena
I can see in this week summon 2x evant u will add u rotos collection..i wise n hope i will get valkriy this time...booom ez but im f2p ancient shard hard to get
WTF?!?! 7.40 your Armiger does 2 hits and decreases TM twice. Where do I get this super Armiger from? Or is that a content creator perk special? :D
there is a mastery that when u use the a1 for the 1st time on an enemy u can reduce turn meter
well now iv'e know why lordly legionary has not been working in my unkillable team... the reflect damage must deaggroing him. guess that was a waste of silver
What about unkillable buff? I've noticed if everyone has unkillable buff, the AI goes for the highest hp %, is that also a thing?
That's kind of correct. CB will ignore champs with low hp if unkillable as knows they can't be killed, therefore it'll focus someone with higher hp which it can damage. That's generally how you stun bait with unkillable... make sure your stun target is above threshold whilst everyone else is below. Got to account for def a well though if multiple above threshold.
Did I miss a shard opening or something, when did you get Martyr!?! and where is your Martyr build video!?!?!?!?!? lol I'm assuming that I slept on that vid or something?
Had her a long time but yeah had a guide done when I got her
god this is gonna make spider so much easier is was so confused
Seems like the order is not correct, is it? The CB should have hit Scyl with defense buff because of biggest kill potential if it was right, I think. Awesome vid anyways! :)
Calculater not that I no how to use it
@hell Hades please, please, PLEASE explain to me:
Sepulcher Sentinel 31k hp, 3,6k defence
Skullcrusher 48k hp, 4k defence
clan boss focus 99,9% of the time Sepulcher Sentinel - WHY???
buff's are the exact same... void affinity
i gave skullcrusher way more hp thinking he would now tank those hit's and cancel them with his passive but NOPE??
Wow last time I was this early I got kicked out of bed
Not related to this video whatsoever but Doompriest is my new Imunity gear against Tormin teams.....
From my (limited) testing, it seems to be absolute hp numbers, not % of hp that matters more to AI
So...
If you have 60k champ & 20k champ @ 50%, AI goes for 20k champ.
But if you have 60k champ @ 50% and 20k champ @ 66% then AI will target 20k champ as it has less absolute hp points, therefore is easier to kill
If all other stages are equal... Buffs and whatnot...
Hell Hades, whats your discord if u have one? (im running out of stuff to comment lol)
in video descriptions mate
Hell Hades oh lol, I looked there a few times and didn’t see it but I found it now
Does anyone know if any of this information has changed over the last year, my Kael is the demon lords b**** 😅
Great info ty bro send me 👋 please Ty I love your content 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great info thanks, you should run my account to give me a good CB team as mine sucks
Only hellhades would accidentally call steelskull attractive in a video.
Holy shit, we doin Maths now?
Target affinity is kinda wanky for 2 or 3 patches now!
I saw you beeing confused in a vid once since then^^
it doesnt make any scence HH it wont work what you saying..talking about CB you can make in order everythink you can but still if you have maneater A3 delay on 1 CB will stun him knowing next att will be unkiklible you can do what you want it wont help
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I step away from this game for bit plarium isn't good enough what videos you put out makes plarium look good 🤑
I disagree - signed, Clan Boss.
Sorry @Hell Hades - not one of your best videos. I understand you trying to help but following DWJ, I'm even more confused.
thats really funny video . now cb hit the easiest killing target which is scyl drake . wow but he cant hahahaha. again she is the target :D but u insist to number 1st is easiest kill target :D
Thats buff 1st obvious :D hard to understand why u insist about easy to kill ...