On breaking seer tuning: would that 20 speed really break a seer tune? your whole team will get it so it shouldnt alter the turn order right? I dont own seer so might be missing something
Great video, I've been dumping crests into Hydra, and a few 1/10s into Demon Lord just to ensure 1 key DL on weak affinity. Most days I can just barely get that 1 key vs weak now and won't ever have to change my DL team again. Now I can just keep refining and building Hydra and Arena teams
thanks for the video appreciate all you do. im putting all my medals into hydra, doing speed, resist and accuracy just like great hall medals but will put more points into ignore defense after this
Thank you for addrssing the missing Areas Doom Tower, Iron Twins and Sanddevil. Since we're getting another Dungeon to ascend Accessories this Dungeons should also be included.
I disagree that you need to update SPD for the dungeons all together - and I don't think it matters for 99% of players. Perhaps you have teams that are somehow tuned very tightly to the waves to go 2nd to the waves, but I don't? All I care about is my team still running in the same turn order, and since it applies to all champion affinities equally, that's not a problem. Like, if my team in FK has +12 SPD, Seer would still be 3rd in turn order after Renegade and Lydia, or if my team in Dragon has +0 SPD, Seer would still be 3rd turn order.
I think it’s more of a thing you should be considering. What if you are doing hard FK and you need your Valkyrie shield to go up right before the boss attack. The extra speed might throw that off. It may not be relevant for everyone’s build, but I think it made sense for him to point out that you should be thinking about it
@@bencaperton8636 I agree, if there is one place that you'd want some kind of tuning its FK. But I don't see that IG or Dragon require it in their Hard Modes, so you could just build for FK. (And without re-watching, I'm not certain, but I think he specifically mentioned that this would effect Seer teams - hence the advice to raise them uniformly at once.)
Correct its when you need things to happen and you're using champions in multiple locations = it could (not guarenteed to) break the ability for you to use the champion at a set speed in both locations
I'm only very casually doing live arena, mostly for something to do once all my other tasks are done (or when they're just too boring to do just now). But Hydra is the only area that I've been working on, as well. Resist seems to be the best "bang" for the buck at first, since it always helps with those nasty snakes, or wyrms, or dragons, whatever they are.
The thing is You have speed on all your champs So it doesn't really break any speed tunes. The problem is when someone activates skills you need to save the second wave.
Thanks, Saph, great video. I think we should give feedback to Plarium about adding these bonuses for Sand Devil, Doom Tower and Iron Twins as well. It's the most ridiculous thing in the game.
The decay also works in bronze. I havent been in live arena for a while and i started to lose trophies, after about a weekn. And its 5 every single day after that. So theoretically, i can have 1000 wins but still be in bronze. However, i was in bronze 4. Not sure if it works in bronze 3 and below. Ill see once i get there
Great video! So I need about 22k crests to upgrade speed for dungeons. At the rate that I'm earning them at the moment, IF I get to gold I'll have that ready in a year, another round of wait shadow legends for me boss!
It's absolutely intentional since Plarium regrets Doom Tower. It's free rewards with no energy cost, and the rewards are actually good. Someone at Plarium probably got fired for designing something player friendly instead of something that drives pack sales.
Are you focusing Clan Boss so that you can free up the gear that is currently used on your champs? When this great hall dropped I figured everyone 1 keying UNM would completely ignore Clan Boss; I know that's my plan.
personally did a bunch of Hydra and some CB to speed things up Also did dragon so can 2 man dragon 10 hard with food and spider so can 2 man spider 20 with food ice golem and potion keeps is LOL need sand devil since it takes forever
I think survivality stats and acc/res are cool for end game players who need a boost to stats for their solocontent dungeon champs. As damage stats on demon lord for people who are close to 1 key ultranightmare.
I seriously dont understand why they dont replace potion keep bonuses with Iron Twin and Sand Devil because you need extremely high acc and resist for those two.
I am REALLY liking the Saph' HH Gaming Network vids. This video especially, because for some reason I didn't realize that Ignore DEF was even an option. Luckily, I didn't waste any Crests. And now, I know where about 2000 more need to go! Also, I want to point out Saph's opinion about the Potion Keeps: It's a fact. There is NO REASON to waste Crests on Potion Keeps. And OH MY GOD, YES! Saph' does it again! Sand Devil's Necropolis, Doom Tower, and the Iron Twins Fortress Area Bonuses ... WHERE ARE THEY!? ... I guess they just ran away??? ;)
I've just been focusing on CB right now. I'm pretty good on everything else. But I'm around 62m for CBN and I want to 1 key it so bad. Been putting the points almost everything XD I really wish they did the exchange rate. Cause I don't want to spend 100 silver or even 100 gold on a lv 1 for FK
You seem very frustrated by the a limited bronze crests - to me the bigger issue is the limiting to gold crests since despite every CC saying otherwise I’m not entirely convinced the majority of the player base will ever be able to get/stay in Gold. The penalty for losses is extremely heavy - and you can’t pick and choose easy fights you expect to win like in regular arena. To me real issue is that 10 bronze crests should equal 1 silver, and the same for silver to gold. That way if I’m just not good at live arena I can still upgrade to max levels eventually. There is no reason to block increased speed on FK based on whether I am able to absolutely crush (and keep crushing) live arena.
The limitation on the number of bronze crests you can get shows Plarium has a clear lack of understanding what they are creating. If it is intentional it's even worse. Because silver and bronze medals have the same value (beyond what rank you can upgrade) and since you can only get very few bronze medals, it means they force you to upgrade with silver medals for the bronze tiers. That means that for them, winning in Silver 1 is worth the same as winning in Bronze 4, since you get the same number of medals.
"Why don't you give us the bonus areas that are needed like sand and twin?" Because they want users to waste time upgrading these areas so they spend more money on other things in the long run, obv.
Crit dmg is a little bit of a trap for mid game players. In clan boss, I rmr my skullcrusher always dying early because he was taking too much dmg. A lot of players don’t know this mechanic. It becomes rly critical as they will probably be upgrading clan boss for pushing to one key as they start accumulating live arena bronze medals.
I prioritized the areas where I was very close to running hard10 without accidents. Instead of improving my gear I just added a bit into area bonuses. Spider level 1 into crit damage and ignore def (100 bronze did the trick). Dragon needed level 2 in ths areas for seer to alway clear the waves (400 bronze). Level 3 HP and level 2 speed (700 bronze) for the boss. Now the runs are fast and smooth. Now I need to upgrade IG a bit. Again just some HP, speed and maybe res to avoide wipes. FK is in the planning but will need to improve more areas there probably. May do CB to shorten the run with faster damage. Otherwise it will be the turn for Hydra - again to shorten the runs I agree with your assesment that sand devil and iron twins should be on the list..
You can't decay in bronze, even if you don't play. I've been at 985 points for almost 2 weeks. It says I'm going to lose points, but it doesn't happen.
There are two clan bosses, and a third is anticipated. When you say "clan boss", you should try to get into the habit of saying "demon lord", especially when on the screen the row of upgrades you are speaking to says demon lord right above the row.
Or are you the kind of person that when some female friend of yours gets married and changes her last name, you keep calling them by their maiden name still? Maybe you're that guy who just can't get with the changed times.
Easily the best & most informative raid content creator. Thanks Saph , you are helping this community more than most realize.
I do my best!
The cost ramps up so fast that I'm just spreading wide on everything, with a little extra focus on +speed.
Nice vid man! just started to do some live arena as i m snobbing it all year. i d love to see an updated with sintranos and the other dungeons too!
so agree with your comment on not having Sand Devil or Iron Twin areas vs having Potion Keep. That just needs to be replaced if slot.area is needed.
On breaking seer tuning: would that 20 speed really break a seer tune? your whole team will get it so it shouldnt alter the turn order right? I dont own seer so might be missing something
maybe if your reset champ is not good enough and you have to go multiple turns to oneshot again
He mentions what you're saying at 14:00
@@spartanboosts Yeah I guess but with seer you shouldnt really have enemy take a turn anyway so I dont think it should matter
I thought the same.. the upgrade isn't for affinities, it's the whole team. So wouldn't your whole team just be faster? Maybe I'm slow..
Great video, I've been dumping crests into Hydra, and a few 1/10s into Demon Lord just to ensure 1 key DL on weak affinity. Most days I can just barely get that 1 key vs weak now and won't ever have to change my DL team again. Now I can just keep refining and building Hydra and Arena teams
I'm with you, we don't need area bonuses for potion keeps.
I love how he talks about how you should upgrade the hydra bonuses while he spent everything on demonlord
Im addicted to clan boss :P but for most they wont care to make loads of new teams!
@@HHGamingNetwork Yeah. That's an important distinction. I didn't catch that
thanks for the video appreciate all you do. im putting all my medals into hydra, doing speed, resist and accuracy just like great hall medals but will put more points into ignore defense after this
Thank you for addrssing the missing Areas Doom Tower, Iron Twins and Sanddevil. Since we're getting another Dungeon to ascend Accessories this Dungeons should also be included.
I disagree that you need to update SPD for the dungeons all together - and I don't think it matters for 99% of players. Perhaps you have teams that are somehow tuned very tightly to the waves to go 2nd to the waves, but I don't? All I care about is my team still running in the same turn order, and since it applies to all champion affinities equally, that's not a problem. Like, if my team in FK has +12 SPD, Seer would still be 3rd in turn order after Renegade and Lydia, or if my team in Dragon has +0 SPD, Seer would still be 3rd turn order.
I think it’s more of a thing you should be considering. What if you are doing hard FK and you need your Valkyrie shield to go up right before the boss attack. The extra speed might throw that off. It may not be relevant for everyone’s build, but I think it made sense for him to point out that you should be thinking about it
@@bencaperton8636 who the heck is gonna be trying to do hard FK. Thats like .1% of people
@@bencaperton8636 I agree, if there is one place that you'd want some kind of tuning its FK. But I don't see that IG or Dragon require it in their Hard Modes, so you could just build for FK. (And without re-watching, I'm not certain, but I think he specifically mentioned that this would effect Seer teams - hence the advice to raise them uniformly at once.)
Correct its when you need things to happen and you're using champions in multiple locations = it could (not guarenteed to) break the ability for you to use the champion at a set speed in both locations
I'm only very casually doing live arena, mostly for something to do once all my other tasks are done (or when they're just too boring to do just now). But Hydra is the only area that I've been working on, as well. Resist seems to be the best "bang" for the buck at first, since it always helps with those nasty snakes, or wyrms, or dragons, whatever they are.
Even when I disagree, I find you bring a very analytic approach to the game which I hugely enjoy. Keep up the great work!
Thats the beauty of raid - you can have different opinions and still both get yourself to a good outcome!
I agree my first 2 levels I have bought is speed in CB. I plan on getting +20 before I do anything else.
I was just searching for this… and saph pulls through 🙏🏾
The thing is
You have speed on all your champs
So it doesn't really break any speed tunes. The problem is when someone activates skills you need to save the second wave.
Thanks man, this is really helpful
Thanks, Saph, great video. I think we should give feedback to Plarium about adding these bonuses for Sand Devil, Doom Tower and Iron Twins as well. It's the most ridiculous thing in the game.
I have 2,680 bronze metals and progressed normally into silver so off somewhere on the max medals you can get. Did we keep medals earned in the beta?
Yeah you keep your beta medals - didnt that of that cos i didnt get in!
The decay also works in bronze. I havent been in live arena for a while and i started to lose trophies, after about a weekn. And its 5 every single day after that. So theoretically, i can have 1000 wins but still be in bronze. However, i was in bronze 4. Not sure if it works in bronze 3 and below. Ill see once i get there
Great video! So I need about 22k crests to upgrade speed for dungeons. At the rate that I'm earning them at the moment, IF I get to gold I'll have that ready in a year, another round of wait shadow legends for me boss!
I can't believe there are no DT area bonuses.
It's absolutely intentional since Plarium regrets Doom Tower. It's free rewards with no energy cost, and the rewards are actually good. Someone at Plarium probably got fired for designing something player friendly instead of something that drives pack sales.
Are you focusing Clan Boss so that you can free up the gear that is currently used on your champs? When this great hall dropped I figured everyone 1 keying UNM would completely ignore Clan Boss; I know that's my plan.
I don't think he's being efficient with it, he just enjoys experimenting with high end comps and trying stuff out that requires pretty crazy stats.
personally did a bunch of Hydra and some CB to speed things up
Also did dragon so can 2 man dragon 10 hard with food
and spider so can 2 man spider 20 with food
ice golem and potion keeps is LOL
need sand devil since it takes forever
First priority should be FK and Hydra. If you can farm good gear from these 2, you can farm arena faster as well.
Depends on your account. I'd argue CB is more important til you can farm NM/UNM every day for shards and books
I think survivality stats and acc/res are cool for end game players who need a boost to stats for their solocontent dungeon champs. As damage stats on demon lord for people who are close to 1 key ultranightmare.
Saph Do you think plarium will introduce a new missions tier with area bonus upgrade requirements
Doubt it but never say never - They would 100% be retroactive anyway
Are you going to do a video on the new bonuses?
I seriously dont understand why they dont replace potion keep bonuses with Iron Twin and Sand Devil because you need extremely high acc and resist for those two.
Wish they had an easy set of stages for Sand devil so that newer plays can at least do some lower ascension on gear.
5:12 But it does mean that you can get to lvl 3 on your prefered bonus or two without have to go to silver
I am REALLY liking the Saph' HH Gaming Network vids. This video especially, because for some reason I didn't realize that Ignore DEF was even an option. Luckily, I didn't waste any Crests. And now, I know where about 2000 more need to go! Also, I want to point out Saph's opinion about the Potion Keeps: It's a fact. There is NO REASON to waste Crests on Potion Keeps. And OH MY GOD, YES! Saph' does it again! Sand Devil's Necropolis, Doom Tower, and the Iron Twins Fortress Area Bonuses ... WHERE ARE THEY!? ... I guess they just ran away??? ;)
Wasnt defense impossible to ignore completely? You can never reach 100% unless the skill says so no?
Is Sand Devil a Potion Keep?
No, you get oils from Sand devil so I don't think it counts as a potion keep
I used area bonus to increase clan boss speed, then couldn't figure out why my speed tune was off, lol
It's unfortunate there's no points for this in CvC, and why is there no sand devil and iron twins :(
crit damage can be bad for hydra. Most teams have some ally protection, and more crit damage = more damage taken by the ally protector.
Future patch: Grade 4: dt, iron twins, sand devil
they'll hold it off for when interest in live arena wanes to artificially bump it back up
I've just been focusing on CB right now. I'm pretty good on everything else. But I'm around 62m for CBN and I want to 1 key it so bad. Been putting the points almost everything XD I really wish they did the exchange rate. Cause I don't want to spend 100 silver or even 100 gold on a lv 1 for FK
Follow Saphs advice and dont waste crests on the weaker stats for demon lord. Getting 1 key is easy enough w/ a good comp and mid-game gear.
I wish so badly sand Devil was in the area bonus/:
And iron twin too, would have been way better then potion keep
Great vid Saph! Thank you! Now off to bug you with some questions on Discord... mwahahah...
I enjoy the challenges people give me!
Hydra is the only area that interests me
wouldnt recmmend for anybody to upgrade speeds everywhere. especially not in cb. and when you have to than go +10 speed and wait.
Also, no arena bonuses
You seem very frustrated by the a limited bronze crests - to me the bigger issue is the limiting to gold crests since despite every CC saying otherwise I’m not entirely convinced the majority of the player base will ever be able to get/stay in Gold. The penalty for losses is extremely heavy - and you can’t pick and choose easy fights you expect to win like in regular arena. To me real issue is that 10 bronze crests should equal 1 silver, and the same for silver to gold. That way if I’m just not good at live arena I can still upgrade to max levels eventually. There is no reason to block increased speed on FK based on whether I am able to absolutely crush (and keep crushing) live arena.
The limitation on the number of bronze crests you can get shows Plarium has a clear lack of understanding what they are creating. If it is intentional it's even worse. Because silver and bronze medals have the same value (beyond what rank you can upgrade) and since you can only get very few bronze medals, it means they force you to upgrade with silver medals for the bronze tiers. That means that for them, winning in Silver 1 is worth the same as winning in Bronze 4, since you get the same number of medals.
Its kinda just showing how they didnt think it through more than anything else
Ice golem... i beat up the boss 😅 works for me
"Why don't you give us the bonus areas that are needed like sand and twin?" Because they want users to waste time upgrading these areas so they spend more money on other things in the long run, obv.
Too late... heh... already upgraded speed to tier one... I'm so screwed =P Thanks anyway, man.
the smartge ones of raid have spoken
Crit dmg is a little bit of a trap for mid game players. In clan boss, I rmr my skullcrusher always dying early because he was taking too much dmg. A lot of players don’t know this mechanic. It becomes rly critical as they will probably be upgrading clan boss for pushing to one key as they start accumulating live arena bronze medals.
Seems like a trap for skull crusher users not midgame players 🧐
I prioritized the areas where I was very close to running hard10 without accidents. Instead of improving my gear I just added a bit into area bonuses. Spider level 1 into crit damage and ignore def (100 bronze did the trick). Dragon needed level 2 in ths areas for seer to alway clear the waves (400 bronze). Level 3 HP and level 2 speed (700 bronze) for the boss. Now the runs are fast and smooth. Now I need to upgrade IG a bit. Again just some HP, speed and maybe res to avoide wipes. FK is in the planning but will need to improve more areas there probably. May do CB to shorten the run with faster damage. Otherwise it will be the turn for Hydra - again to shorten the runs
I agree with your assesment that sand devil and iron twins should be on the list..
You can't decay in bronze, even if you don't play. I've been at 985 points for almost 2 weeks. It says I'm going to lose points, but it doesn't happen.
I decayed in bronze
@@Ramonnnn96 no, it will show -5 but it's only part of the preview, you don't actually loose point
@Gjiara oh okay I don't pay attention to my points haha I just saw the -5 and assumed:)
Doesn't add up. You claimed to only have earned 1700, but spent 2400 bronze medals.
I may have spent silver medals on bronze upgrades!
😊😊😊 I tricked you all!
I don't have a single area medal!
No bronze, no silver AND a perfect score: 100% rate with 0 wins in 0 matches in live arena.
There are two clan bosses, and a third is anticipated.
When you say "clan boss", you should try to get into the habit of saying "demon lord", especially when on the screen the row of upgrades you are speaking to says demon lord right above the row.
Or are you the kind of person that when some female friend of yours gets married and changes her last name, you keep calling them by their maiden name still?
Maybe you're that guy who just can't get with the changed times.
That 'H' pronunciation :/ WHY?
England. They put the hate in "H"