@@HHGamingNetwork So with all this new information, how would you build Scyl of the Drakes? I'm running well over 4200 def on her. I'm guessing this is a huge waste.
As a finance and accounting guy who lives RPG type games, I absolutely love this. The math, with the content, amazing. Thank you for this. Hell Hades, really great job with your team and business.
As an idiot…A lot of this goes over my head but still, what I do understand it’s very informative, I can tell a lot of effort has gone into this video. Thanks and keep up the good work
So if i'm correct, if i have 3 guardian sets, damage taken by all my champions will be reduced by 10%+9%+8%, and that result in a 27% reduction. Bro so many crazy findings! i feel like my survivability spreadsheet have just been outdated in a second XD Great work!
I highly appreciate all the work put into this video. This might be a "The teachers way of teaching not working with my way of learning"-thing, but I for myself find it hard to follow some of these points. Maybe a little more highlighting in the spreadsheet and video editing in the demonstration would do the trick. edit: also the "Testing" section of the video seems to be out of sync, which is not a huge deal in general of course, though especially on demonstrative content it makes following points harder.
Great video. Just a few additional clarifications: 1:52 I guess we don't know if Books (and Masteries) damage is ignored (e.g. in arena) in the transfer damage from testing on DT, as the waves don't have any books or masteries. Perhaps only way is to wait for live PVP.... 7:24 Although Bulwark does not stack, a 2nd Bulwark champ does help to protect your main Bulwark champion (i.e. if Ursuga and Maulie both have Bulwark, although Ursuga as lead does take Bulwark from everyone else, if Ursuga is attacked, Maulie's Bulwark does proc). This does have some use as we've discussed how Bulwark has some "missing" damage.
@@HHGamingNetworkSo all this is amazing, but as a new player this has just gone completely over my head! Too much information lol. So in Arena, if 2 champs Run Bulwark. The lead my second. The lead (to reduce enemy nukes) and would the second proc if their attacking my lead? Also how does guardian work witn this, as I was hoping to run all 4 champions (defensive ones) with bulwark, and one with selfless defender (which I was going to use as my last champ) but it seems they need to be in the lead for it to work?
Really great first video for the new channel! As an engineer, I'm super into the numbers. Thanks for getting my nerd fix taken care of! Keep up the great work. I look forward to more content. Maybe you can get HH to spring for a camera so we can see you guys, ha!
I definitely appreciate this type of research and breakdown of things and it's very similar to how I do things at my job but I feel like it's only going to really be appreciated by a certain few.... either way I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into this and thankyou for it
This is super useful information!!… its very obvious that a lot of effort went into this… appreciate you sharing and explaining the mechanics, backed with some really good examples. 👍 Cant wait to see what you have come up with in regards to the optimal ratio for guardian/stalwart set for CB. I currently got a “2:1 team” equipped 1 with a poison set, 3 in stalwart, 1 in Guardian and was going to re-gear one with Guardian, but think I will wait and see if you got some more cool info to share first 😎…. (I know it will depend on the champs and comps)
Great video with a lot of crucial information. A small suggestion to improve the presentation is to zoom in on the excel sheet. It is hard to read the numbers on a phone. Keep up the good work
3:04 so just to be clear, let's say I have miscreated monster with ally protect up. Miscreated Monster will take more damage from the ally protect if MM has lots of crit damage and less damage if he has low CD?
Is there any chance this video could be done again with some short visuals to give more visual explanation of what is being said? Like what the Raid 101 videos do. It is great work but having the visuals would make this much easier to follow, and it would be clearer and more concise.
Thanks, this is really interesting! Wouldn´t it be even better to place the damage reduction Champ before the AP Champ to reduce the normal damage taken for him too (e.g. Clan Boss AOE), or did i miss something?
My question is having Stalwart on the ally protection champ (or other dmg reduction like Norog or Dutchess) reduce the dmg they receive from others in CB? What about if we put Stalwart on others, and not the ally protect champ? I'm asking this, since the way CB counteracts with Ally protect is very different compared to other content.
Awesome, thank you so so much, this really explained a lot and gave me a good idea on how to build ally protection into the team for CB P.s the value for Visix just skyrocketed in my mind, thinking of a Visix, Sandlashed survivor, Brogini (with guardian set) team base for CB
Terrible at maths myself, so thankful the big-brains like to flex and help out the shlubs, lol. If this makes it into the Optimiser it's going to be so helpful. Can't wait to try it out, thanks guys.
7:50 Its weird that when 2 champs have bulwark the 2nd is wasted. It would make sense if Position 1 protect Position 2 and position 2 protect everyone else.
Does this mean that if you didn't have ally protect up norags reduction would take place no matter team placement or that it only applies to people behind him even if there is no ally protect
I have a question does that mean i have to put my Iron Brago as a leader to give his passive defense increase to everyone or can he be last in team order and still give everyone incresed defense?
I have a question about Geomancer and Brogni's passive reflecting damage having the chance to proc Giant Slayer. If Toragi the Frog has Warmaster mastery would the 30% reflect damage buff on his A3 have a chance to proc Warmaster? I assume the reason why Brogni & Geomancer take Giant Slayer is because they are reflecting the damage from multiple sources. If that is correct it seems logical that a champion under a reflect damage buff could proc Warmaster since it is from a single source. If so any champion who receives a reflect damage buff (from champions like Runic Warder or Fellhound) that has Warmaster have a chance to proc Warmaster when taking damage?
Great video! I know the answer is going to likely very fluid based on team comp, but what would be a sweet spot for ally protector's crit dmg? Eg my tyrant is my protector in cb, his CD is in mid 100s and I'm dying turn 36-37 typically but he generally does about 5+ mil in dmg output. Before I do a complete re-haul, how much benefit would a CD of like 75% vs 100% compare to a 150% cd do you think?
Question regarding 2 selfless defenders: if champs 1 and 2 in turn order both have selfless defender and are hit by AOE, dont both selfless defenders proc? champ 2 protects champ 1 and other way around. Can we expand this assumption to any team order as long as lead champ has selfless defender? 2 selfless defenders will proc against the nuke aoe. Thank you very much for this content it was extremely informative and well presented.
Well done ! I've been waiting for someone to give an explanation as to how instead of the "we don't know why it works this way". You definitely got yourself a new Sub for the content. That being said, for example, my new CB team is going to be Martyr, Krisk, Brogni, Toragi, and Godseeker Anari would the turn order and positions be as follows : #1 Martyr #2 Krisk (Ally Protect in Guardian Set) #3 Brogni #4 Toragi (Ally Protect in Guardian Set) #5 Godseeker Anari And other than Krisk and Toragi, I would want to make sure that the others do NOT have Selfless Defender to ensure that Krisk and Toragi do not take unnecessary damage while Ally Protect is active ? Last question ... and I know I am getting ahead of your timetable here ... but can the Bulwark Set be used until you get adequate Guardian Set pieces ?
If i understand the passive reduction correctly. What you saying is that it only affects the Allied Protection dmg in what order they are ? It will still reduce 15% of the normal incoming dmg from all champions even if its in the last slot ?
I just found this video - it's great to clarify how things work. So my takeaway is that I should slap the ally protector in a stalwart set and then put as many guardian champs as possible before them in the initial team order (and only put Bulwark on one of them)? I tried looking for the next video mentioned but was unable to find it (maybe it was merged into some other content). Does anyone have link for it?
Good video but a couple of coments to help make future videos even better. 1) Voice and screen are a little out of synch. If you cant fix it with editing try to consider it when making the clip. It made some of it harder to follow as you would be on one thing and talking about another. 2) Dont assume we know all the champions names, icons and abilities. I lost a lot of info while trying to figure out which one was Norag and what you were using him for. 3) Also you mixed a few terms so would use different words. For example early or late turn order seems clear with early being go sooner so #1, #2, etc. But higher in order could be faster or refer to higher number and hence slower.
So, based on the interaction between ally protection and the protectors cdmg, would it then be best to not stack cdmg on that champ? Or does the dmg increase make up for a minimal amount that its not worth worrying about? I ask as I'm going to be using Versulf for def up and ally protect in cb, but I also want him to smack.... This seems it may be counter productive?
@@saphyrra8151 I guess that for standard dungeons. But in terms of cb, where the dmg is so small anyway, I wonder how much difference, if any, it really makes.
@@ruthlesspug seems like a fair point, maybe stacking more health on to the ally protector as long as he is not the stun target is a better strategy than soley reducing CD for CB purposes?
@@johnnyl4677 this is kind of the way my mind was going. In essence then, this would make hp based ally protect champs a more solid option so long as they aren't the stun target. Which I guess is why Toragi is S-tier for cb, but Versulf then also comes in at a higher regard, as you want his dmg as well as his ap and Inc def. With him also bringing Leech, he has a good way to mitigate the extra dmg he would take from having stacked cdmg.
@@HHGamingNetwork I agree with this. I recommend rather then explaining all then showing all at once, I would want to see explain then show, explain then show, explain then show, etc.. That way I can see a visual representation of what you are saying. Slow down and freeze frame would help a lot in these and should have been used more often so I could see what numbers were significant, along with them being posted (in the corner maybe) with the number you are looking for. This is work, I realize that. Props to the editor.
I understand what youre saying in the video. But you need to heavily reconsider how you write the script in these videos. It reads like a University presentation. It shouldnt be like that, youre talking to laymen on the internet. Consider simplifying future scripts. Simpler wording. More explain like Im five. Then youll get alot more support and likes.
Seriously, no. This is the science channel and it was perfectly explained with a neat spreadsheet. You can skip this part if you are not interested in using your brain trying to understand numbers. If you want stuff for 5 year olds check out the other content creators who often explain things in a more 'accessible' way but therefore leave details under the table. I enjoyed this, thanks HH Gaming for the hard work!
@@mfx333 thanks @mfx333 yeah the idea of these videos is not to compete with our main channel but to support it. The "For Science" club is an outlet for Neva and Saph to share their findings that eventually make it into tools like the optimiser and allow us to improve things for other players.
I agree both that the content is amazing and the communication could be better. Please don't dumb it down, but do work on presentation flow. Too much use of "this" or "that" references leaves the viewer unsure which antecedent the narrator is referring to.
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@@HHGamingNetwork So with all this new information, how would you build Scyl of the Drakes? I'm running well over 4200 def on her. I'm guessing this is a huge waste.
@@edandcynjackson3287 having her around 3500 defense and 60k+ hp, is around the sweet spot
Now this is usefull info, this explains a lot on some topics, I never have the time to doctor this out myself, Thanx, thanx, thanx!!😘😘
As a finance and accounting guy who lives RPG type games, I absolutely love this. The math, with the content, amazing.
Thank you for this.
Hell Hades, really great job with your team and business.
Thanks Will that means a lot! we put a lot of work into this behind the scenes and it is really nice to read feedback like this.
As an idiot…A lot of this goes over my head but still, what I do understand it’s very informative, I can tell a lot of effort has gone into this video. Thanks and keep up the good work
So if i'm correct, if i have 3 guardian sets, damage taken by all my champions will be reduced by 10%+9%+8%, and that result in a 27% reduction.
Bro so many crazy findings! i feel like my survivability spreadsheet have just been outdated in a second XD
Great work!
I highly appreciate all the work put into this video.
This might be a "The teachers way of teaching not working with my way of learning"-thing, but I for myself find it hard to follow some of these points. Maybe a little more highlighting in the spreadsheet and video editing in the demonstration would do the trick.
edit: also the "Testing" section of the video seems to be out of sync, which is not a huge deal in general of course, though especially on demonstrative content it makes following points harder.
Quality Content - subscribed! looking forward to the next more indepth one on Stalwart and Guardian.
Thank you!
Great video. Just a few additional clarifications:
1:52 I guess we don't know if Books (and Masteries) damage is ignored (e.g. in arena) in the transfer damage from testing on DT, as the waves don't have any books or masteries. Perhaps only way is to wait for live PVP....
7:24 Although Bulwark does not stack, a 2nd Bulwark champ does help to protect your main Bulwark champion (i.e. if Ursuga and Maulie both have Bulwark, although Ursuga as lead does take Bulwark from everyone else, if Ursuga is attacked, Maulie's Bulwark does proc). This does have some use as we've discussed how Bulwark has some "missing" damage.
Thanks Centy really appreciate it and all you do!
@@HHGamingNetworkSo all this is amazing, but as a new player this has just gone completely over my head!
Too much information lol.
So in Arena, if 2 champs Run Bulwark.
The lead my second. The lead (to reduce enemy nukes) and would the second proc if their attacking my lead?
Also how does guardian work witn this, as I was hoping to run all 4 champions (defensive ones) with bulwark, and one with selfless defender (which I was going to use as my last champ) but it seems they need to be in the lead for it to work?
This is the kind of content that might keep me interested in Raid. Very thorough job fellas!
Thanks the team work really hard to bring this info to the channel and HH.com tools
Really great first video for the new channel! As an engineer, I'm super into the numbers. Thanks for getting my nerd fix taken care of! Keep up the great work. I look forward to more content. Maybe you can get HH to spring for a camera so we can see you guys, ha!
Guys, can you please make one about turn meter mechanics in CB? How ticks can be calculated etc.
Now this is what makes raid great. A lot of time and research went into this. GREAT CONTENT GUYS!
I definitely appreciate this type of research and breakdown of things and it's very similar to how I do things at my job but I feel like it's only going to really be appreciated by a certain few.... either way I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into this and thankyou for it
This is super useful information!!… its very obvious that a lot of effort went into this… appreciate you sharing and explaining the mechanics, backed with some really good examples. 👍
Cant wait to see what you have come up with in regards to the optimal ratio for guardian/stalwart set for CB. I currently got a “2:1 team” equipped 1 with a poison set, 3 in stalwart, 1 in Guardian and was going to re-gear one with Guardian, but think I will wait and see if you got some more cool info to share first 😎…. (I know it will depend on the champs and comps)
Great video with a lot of crucial information. A small suggestion to improve the presentation is to zoom in on the excel sheet. It is hard to read the numbers on a phone.
Keep up the good work
What a fabulous piece of content. Appreciate the details!
First time I've seen your content. Subscribed.
3:04 so just to be clear, let's say I have miscreated monster with ally protect up. Miscreated Monster will take more damage from the ally protect if MM has lots of crit damage and less damage if he has low CD?
yes because the damage he takes is classed as self inflicted so scales off of his stats.
@@HHGamingNetwork This is certainly mind blowing; Hellhades wasn't just baiting me with that cheesy line.
Is there any chance this video could be done again with some short visuals to give more visual explanation of what is being said? Like what the Raid 101 videos do. It is great work but having the visuals would make this much easier to follow, and it would be clearer and more concise.
Thats some good Information, thank you very much.
Thanks, this is really interesting! Wouldn´t it be even better to place the damage reduction Champ before the AP Champ to reduce the normal damage taken for him too (e.g. Clan Boss AOE), or did i miss something?
My question is having Stalwart on the ally protection champ (or other dmg reduction like Norog or Dutchess) reduce the dmg they receive from others in CB? What about if we put Stalwart on others, and not the ally protect champ?
I'm asking this, since the way CB counteracts with Ally protect is very different compared to other content.
Awesome, thank you so so much, this really explained a lot and gave me a good idea on how to build ally protection into the team for CB
P.s the value for Visix just skyrocketed in my mind, thinking of a Visix, Sandlashed survivor, Brogini (with guardian set) team base for CB
Thank you! we really appreciate the feedback!
And some of us really appreciate the hard work you guys have done to get us this level of drill down details on skills and workings of the game :)
Terrible at maths myself, so thankful the big-brains like to flex and help out the shlubs, lol. If this makes it into the Optimiser it's going to be so helpful. Can't wait to try it out, thanks guys.
We are glad to be able to help there is more coming soon like this!
7:50 Its weird that when 2 champs have bulwark the 2nd is wasted. It would make sense if Position 1 protect Position 2 and position 2 protect everyone else.
Thx for sharing!!....what about clan boss rankings determining rewards?
Does this mean that if you didn't have ally protect up norags reduction would take place no matter team placement or that it only applies to people behind him even if there is no ally protect
I have a question does that mean i have to put my Iron Brago as a leader to give his passive defense increase to everyone or can he be last in team order and still give everyone incresed defense?
Everyone will benefit from his passive regardless of his position.
I have a question about Geomancer and Brogni's passive reflecting damage having the chance to proc Giant Slayer. If Toragi the Frog has Warmaster mastery would the 30% reflect damage buff on his A3 have a chance to proc Warmaster? I assume the reason why Brogni & Geomancer take Giant Slayer is because they are reflecting the damage from multiple sources. If that is correct it seems logical that a champion under a reflect damage buff could proc Warmaster since it is from a single source.
If so any champion who receives a reflect damage buff (from champions like Runic Warder or Fellhound) that has Warmaster have a chance to proc Warmaster when taking damage?
Some sort of Damage mitigation now does not seem to work like before with new patch, it could be ally protect or stalwart
Great video! I know the answer is going to likely very fluid based on team comp, but what would be a sweet spot for ally protector's crit dmg? Eg my tyrant is my protector in cb, his CD is in mid 100s and I'm dying turn 36-37 typically but he generally does about 5+ mil in dmg output. Before I do a complete re-haul, how much benefit would a CD of like 75% vs 100% compare to a 150% cd do you think?
Well done! Keep up the good work
Thank you!
love this series
Thank you the guys worked really hard on it! Massive shout out to Saphrra and Neva for making it their 1st video.
What happens when the champion who put AP is in a guardian set. Does the raw dmg transfer is now 60%
Great video guys! Plarium should give you 100 sacred each for explaining them how their coding works!
haha thanks :D
Question regarding 2 selfless defenders:
if champs 1 and 2 in turn order both have selfless defender and are hit by AOE, dont both selfless defenders proc?
champ 2 protects champ 1 and other way around.
Can we expand this assumption to any team order as long as lead champ has selfless defender? 2 selfless defenders will proc against the nuke aoe.
Thank you very much for this content it was extremely informative and well presented.
Great video 🙏🙏
Well done ! I've been waiting for someone to give an explanation as to how instead of the "we don't know why it works this way". You definitely got yourself a new Sub for the content.
That being said, for example, my new CB team is going to be Martyr, Krisk, Brogni, Toragi, and Godseeker Anari would the turn order and positions be as follows :
#1 Martyr
#2 Krisk (Ally Protect in Guardian Set)
#3 Brogni
#4 Toragi (Ally Protect in Guardian Set)
#5 Godseeker Anari
And other than Krisk and Toragi, I would want to make sure that the others do NOT have Selfless Defender to ensure that Krisk and Toragi do not take unnecessary damage while Ally Protect is active ? Last question ... and I know I am getting ahead of your timetable here ... but can the Bulwark Set be used until you get adequate Guardian Set pieces ?
Thank you!
If i understand the passive reduction correctly. What you saying is that it only affects the Allied Protection dmg in what order they are ?
It will still reduce 15% of the normal incoming dmg from all champions even if its in the last slot ?
Very interesting! Thanks
Thank you
I just found this video - it's great to clarify how things work. So my takeaway is that I should slap the ally protector in a stalwart set and then put as many guardian champs as possible before them in the initial team order (and only put Bulwark on one of them)?
I tried looking for the next video mentioned but was unable to find it (maybe it was merged into some other content). Does anyone have link for it?
Good video but a couple of coments to help make future videos even better. 1) Voice and screen are a little out of synch. If you cant fix it with editing try to consider it when making the clip. It made some of it harder to follow as you would be on one thing and talking about another. 2) Dont assume we know all the champions names, icons and abilities. I lost a lot of info while trying to figure out which one was Norag and what you were using him for. 3) Also you mixed a few terms so would use different words. For example early or late turn order seems clear with early being go sooner so #1, #2, etc. But higher in order could be faster or refer to higher number and hence slower.
Thanks for the feedback this was our 1st video of this kind, lots of learning to do
Damn my head hurts! I'm gonna change my team when I get the silver and use Versulf for ally Protection, brogni, brago, deacon and Venus I think
Very nice. 👍
So, based on the interaction between ally protection and the protectors cdmg, would it then be best to not stack cdmg on that champ? Or does the dmg increase make up for a minimal amount that its not worth worrying about?
I ask as I'm going to be using Versulf for def up and ally protect in cb, but I also want him to smack.... This seems it may be counter productive?
should avoid c.dmg on your protector yes - or he'll die much faster.
@@saphyrra8151 I guess that for standard dungeons. But in terms of cb, where the dmg is so small anyway, I wonder how much difference, if any, it really makes.
@@ruthlesspug seems like a fair point, maybe stacking more health on to the ally protector as long as he is not the stun target is a better strategy than soley reducing CD for CB purposes?
@@johnnyl4677 this is kind of the way my mind was going. In essence then, this would make hp based ally protect champs a more solid option so long as they aren't the stun target. Which I guess is why Toragi is S-tier for cb, but Versulf then also comes in at a higher regard, as you want his dmg as well as his ap and Inc def. With him also bringing Leech, he has a good way to mitigate the extra dmg he would take from having stacked cdmg.
Cool series
nice content
O, so that is why my skull crusher at 160 crit rate and in full guardian kept getting abolished
Alot of information to absorb at once. So I should NOT be using guardian on the lead position/stun target(Norog?)
Its fine to use guardian if not optimal - 10% healing each turn on your protector is very very helpful.
it would be more interesting if diagrams, pictures etc were used for the explanation. cheers.
Thanks for the feedback :) its our 1st video of this kind so plenty to learning to do to make them better! thank you though!
@@HHGamingNetwork I agree with this. I recommend rather then explaining all then showing all at once, I would want to see explain then show, explain then show, explain then show, etc.. That way I can see a visual representation of what you are saying. Slow down and freeze frame would help a lot in these and should have been used more often so I could see what numbers were significant, along with them being posted (in the corner maybe) with the number you are looking for.
This is work, I realize that. Props to the editor.
So does this mean you don’t want any crit damage on a ally protect champ
Not if you want them to live longer, no.
Science!!
This is not for casual players for sure,
Ok 5 minutes and I'm lost godmn. So much information, mechanic of fame etc
yeah it's a lot to take in - we are going to do a breakdown on the main channel.
I understand what youre saying in the video. But you need to heavily reconsider how you write the script in these videos. It reads like a University presentation. It shouldnt be like that, youre talking to laymen on the internet.
Consider simplifying future scripts. Simpler wording. More explain like Im five. Then youll get alot more support and likes.
thanks for the feedback
Seriously, no. This is the science channel and it was perfectly explained with a neat spreadsheet. You can skip this part if you are not interested in using your brain trying to understand numbers. If you want stuff for 5 year olds check out the other content creators who often explain things in a more 'accessible' way but therefore leave details under the table.
I enjoyed this, thanks HH Gaming for the hard work!
@@mfx333 thanks @mfx333 yeah the idea of these videos is not to compete with our main channel but to support it. The "For Science" club is an outlet for Neva and Saph to share their findings that eventually make it into tools like the optimiser and allow us to improve things for other players.
I agree both that the content is amazing and the communication could be better. Please don't dumb it down, but do work on presentation flow. Too much use of "this" or "that" references leaves the viewer unsure which antecedent the narrator is referring to.