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Uh-Oh, It's The Inevitable Boss MT-2 Metal Zone Episode, Part One.
Daniel and Mick have never heard a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone before - true story. Yet The Interwebs is full of them however, so we thought we'd plug one in and see what we could learn. Nope, neither of us are metallers, hence what happens next... Lots of chugging, then Mick even plays some blues through it.
If nothing else, it's a pretty reasonable demo of the Metal Zone's undoubtable charms!
We also compare the Metal Zone with a JHS @ (AT) pedal for a bit of context, before deciding that, yes, Dan's going to mod the MT-2 for the upcoming Heavy Gain episode.
Thanks to Andertons Music Co for the loan - and sale! - of the Metal Zone.
Other pedals that feature briefly at the end include a Strymon Time Line and a Neunaber Immerse.
Mick is playing a Gibson Derek Trucks Signature SG and a Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster.
Dan is playing a Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard.
The main amp today is the Mallard 18-watt Marshall clone through a Marshall 2061cx 2x12 cabinet.
As always, all pedal and amp switching and routing is handled by TheGigRig G2.
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this video was ahead of its time. They have their PPE
And a SG!
Sadly YES.....😌
I was expecting a comment like this when I came back to this video
@02:56 guys, you might want to rethink that t-shirt design 8)
+Vladimir Suhov Oh dear. An unintended embarrassment. I guess we just move on.
+Vladimir Suhov hahahaha, _oh man_.
get ready for a whole new audience
I was looking for this comment before I made my own...
People act like the Metal Zone is the worst pedal ever made. It is not by far. Is it great? No, but is it useable? Yes, in a very specific context. I personally don't think it sounds any better or worse than a DS-1 in a band setting and that pedal is on countless records. Is it a Rat, a Wampler or JHS? Hell no! But it's cheap and built like a tank. I had one in my bedroom when I was 14 and loved it. Then I grew up and realized it wasn't useable live. Not everything is made for blues or is suppose to be the most versatile pedal on the planet. Compared to the $219 AT, the $89 Boss wasn't that bad. Wasn't great, but wasn't as awful as people make them out to be. Plus, you can get them used for $50 all day. The fizzy top is a trademark of shitty metal tone to me anyway. Dimebag's tone had a fizzy top, but damn that dude was a beast and no one bitches about his tone.
+Puertecitos68 where as the Rat's useable gain range is the whole spectrum. The filter control is super useable as well. Then there is enough output on tap to boost any amp into overdrive. The Metal Zone can sound good if you dial it in right, but it's gain range is useless. Most of the EQ controls are crap as well. You gotta really dial them in. The Rat on the other hand sounds pretty damn good no matter how you set it. However, tone is subjective and this is just my opinion from my experiences. On stage and in the studio, the Rat is a killer pedal. It cuts through the mix. It's been used on countless pro boards for 3 decades. The MT-2 just doesn't compare for me. I owned both.
Hi! I think the boss mt2 is a great pedal,for classic metal distortion,this is everything about personal taste,
but I may disagree when you say it is not usable live and I will give you 2 examples,these band members I know them:
watch?v=AwpenEf9RMQ - here the lead guitarrist is playing with the boss metal zone and the singer/rythm guitarrist is playng with the distortion set on a boss ME-70 or something,both guitars plugged into marshalls valvestate 100
watch?v=gf2CSUxqEP0 - here both guitarrists are using the metal zone...
So do you think these bands sound bad live or have a bad tone?
Cheers
People that bitch about Dimebag's tone don't understand what he set out to achieve. Pantera as of us remember them were going for a sound that was about making it sound like their gear was about to explode... It wasn't meant to sound pretty, because the music itself was not meant to sound pretty. It was meant to be like witnessing a bad car accident or train wreck... You didn't necessarily want to watch, but just couldn't help it.
+thisdyingsoul76 absolutely! All I meant was it wasn't a conventional "good tone". Not knocking him or his sound one bit. In my mind, he was the best metal guitarist ever.
or maybe it because of Pantera is a three piece?
i've heard WAY shittier metal sounds on actual albums than that!
+Moltisanti I think the bar rep the MT2 gets is mainly due to the fact that it is used by unskilled teens with crappy practice amps, who don't know how to dial in a tone. Some of these tones are actually quite convincing in this setup, IMHO
Is that suppose to mean it's ok? Because that's a really poor way of proving your point after watching this video
point to point or GTFO lol
These aren't metal dudes but they honestly threw down, that was awesome.
OMG this is the most prophetic TPS show EVAR! Face masks, Metal Zone. You basically wrote the playbook for January 2021. This was no April fools joke! The world should listen to Dan & Nick forevermore.
I'm quite pleased by the fact that you guys immediately spotted the "cocked wah" inherent tone of the MT-2. Most people think it's scooped, which isn't. I've had the pedal in my professional rig for more than 10 years now and if you know how to dial it in right, you can get unique stuff out of it. Cheers guys.
+thedddemon In high school when I was trying out a bunch of guitars at my local music store, one of the guys who worked there had a metal zone plugged into an Egnater Tweaker 40 on the verge of break up and whatever way the pedal was set he managed to get an awesome metal rhythm tone out of it. Probably because the tweaker just takes pedal like a dream but it was a nice chunky riff tone none the less
EXACTLY! People push the gain too hard. Anything past 9 o'clock is... a swarm of awful. But I adore its honk, its mid hump. It's an odd pedal, the mids seem boosted AND scooped, I don't understand exactly - but this pedal has for years been a wonderful creative partner - alongside some true respected classics of metal. The MT-2 is a staple in my recording set-up. But one must use one's ears, and live my the adage 'less is more'. Stay heavy, dddemon!
am i the only person who actually liked those sounds? I think I'm going insane now.
+TheZooropaBaby I liked the Metal Zone. (Mick). I've got no use for it, but I enjoyed playing it!
+TheZooropaBaby That low end chug sounded great! I`m surprised!
+That Pedal Show I love that you liked it; I thought that it's bit 1-dimentional (no dynamics, thin, etc) and too much like EMGs, but it's got some use.
Me too. Actually you guys made it sound awesome! I've seen videos where metal guitarists made fun of this pedal. You guys sounded better than some metal players even. Maybe most people don't know how to dial this pedal and you did a great job there.
i must be too i like it too
Noone knew that the Boss MT-2 would trigger a pandemic
Be very careful if you open up that pedal. All the bees inside might fly away.
+budgetguitarist.com
hahahahaha
You just have to turn the highs down.
Actually, if I'm honest, I think the Metal Zone sounds pretty great here in a couple of cases. The EQ seems very powerful, so it seems kind of lazy to say it sounds bad. If you don't like how it sounds, just play with the EQ a little. The clipping is very hard, so its utility is of course going to be limited to metal and hard rock, but I don't think anyone else is going to be interested in it anyway. It seems kind of like a fuzz to me in the sense that it doesn't really sound "good" in the classic sense (like a pushed Fender or cranked Marshall sounds good), but it's just a cool, trashy sound. There's room for that kind of sound, imo.
Ryan McCarter
Yup. 👍🏻
Well, it is a distortion pedal, not an overdrive, after all.
You two may be grimacing, but this is the first time I've actually heard a metal zone sound half decent. Most of the time it sounds like someone pouring sand down a drain pipe.
+Nimal Crackers It is the amp. If you plug it into a solid state, entry level amp you will get your sand =)
ps And hands of cause))
Nimal Crackers I've never heard a metal zone sound all that bad.....been playing over 20 yrs and in couple pretty successful bands in Chicago area. mz was always on my board and Noone complained about my "tone". ridiculous is the answer to all this
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You need to show the Metal Zone in it's natural environment....a Peavey Raptor or low end Dean ML through some Line 6 amp :)
+Jimmy Glover hahahahahahahahahahaha
Gloveberg With scooped mids.
All the gain !!!
The tone you had dialled in for the MT-2 @ 3:00 was divine. I wish you had left it on there for a while. It kicked the red pedal's bum easily.
You guys don't do heavy sounds very much, so it was great to see you really digging in to some of those metal sounds.
well that thumbnail aged poorly
Further proof that a good riff played by a good guitarist will sound good, regardless of gear.
+The10000lbGorilla Yeah, no. The playing is good but overall it sounds like crap.
I thought the Metal Zone sounded pretty damn good at times actually. Not as good as the Angry Charlie, but few pedals do.
The Angry Charlie sounded like absolute shit.
The Metal Zone works fine in certain contexts with VERY gentle touches to the EQ. The pedal gives you more fails to sound bad then good, but it can sound just fine.
I thought he nailed the Sabbath sound right out of the gate.....its just a tool folks, there are some usable sounds in there.
The guitarist in my pop rock band Brink Theory uses a Metal zone and refuses to get rid of it as it is used in conjunction with 2 other drive/distortion pedals to create his signature sound. I like how he uses it and think some people dismiss it as just a metal pedal but if you tweak it it can be very versatile.
this video makes me sad
Boss Metal Zone
mad lad
"We're going to treat it with the respect it deserves."
"Yes... yeah, I promise I won't put a whole different pedal inside it."
Comedy gold.
+Matt M. Hahaha
Loving this. I'm buying a metal zone now.
The metal zone has a specific sound.. its not easy to dial in but once you do you can nail
an 80s metal tone pretty easily.
Those masks seem legit here at 2020
I have never played a metal zone but it sounds like a reasonable pedal that people don't tweak that much
one of the best reviews and demo's channels on the Tube, i ordered both Peddles because of your fantastic demo of the gear.
+Michael Kingston ah, cheers M, let us know how you get on with them :)
I used to own the Metal Zone and the only real issue was there were so many setting possibilities that you could find some horrid tones if you weren't careful, but you could fine tune it enough and find some good metal tones for everything from metal to hardcore, to death. Too much to mess with though, if you want to just plug in and go.
I genuinely think the fact that so many bloody amateur guitar players had this as their first pedal ever and turned the knobs without an educated ear and the metal zone being so so easy to mess up the EQ, its the only real reason for the bad reputation this pedal gets.
I mean, you can easily make any sound shit with an 8 band eq pedal as well, but nobody would ever suggest that a 8 band eq pedal sounded like shit, just because you pushed the phone-speaker frequency band far too much.
My first glance at the thumbnail thought this was recorded in 2020 lmao
Hey That Pedal Show at 6:58 ... What a kind of epic fail when trying to switch pickup like a Les Paul :D
+David Migaud Yeah! Epic fail! Eh?
The pedal ain't that bad. Dial out the highs and keep the mids.
But then ... it's not that good either ...
for pop punk. for pop punk max out the mids so guitar sound bright but not harsh and to cut through the mix.
In all seriousness, after hearing this I don't think the Metal Zone is half bad. It's not for me, but I get its appeal. I think its reputation has been clouded by the endless droves of bad metal guitarists mindlessly chucking away on them at tasteless extreme settings at Guitar Centers and crappy venues for so many years.
+Max Fisher I think it also has a lot to do with the gear either side of the pedal. Cheers Max :)
+That Pedal Show Yes, I'm sure that helps it tremendously. Curious to see what you guys cook up modding it.
I think these dudes hold each other regardless of the pedal!
+bluesboynate Yup. Still a better love story than Twilight tho. ;)
***** LOL. Sho nuff.
I lost it when Dan said they're getting Rabea.
I had a Metal Zone before, kept dialing the EQ every damn time!
Nice to see Fire Carpe Diem on the board!
If you're in a noise or experimental band, the MZ can be a great inexpensive way to get some really unconventional sounds out of your amp.
If you turn it all the way up you can get fuzz. Very unique fuzz, especially since it's not meant for that.
All hail the Metal Zone! Some of the best riffs to come out of TPS. Didn’t know they both had the chops for shredding like this. I have a lot of “boutique” pedals and this video has convince me to pick up my first ever Boss pedal.
Bravo for getting some "usable" sounds from the MT-2 guys! XD
The Metal Zone was my first or second guitar pedal because it was £15 in a junk shop when I was 14. Into the dirty channel of my fizzy Peavey solid state I thought I had the biggest and best grunge sound on the planet.
Mick said it right. The EQ is so drastic on the Metal Zone. It can really be a powerful tone shaping tool if the user understands parametric EQ's enough to control those mids.
+Brian Bowersox or you get a pedal that sounds good and dosent need tamed. why fight your gear. get stuff that sounds good. it exists.
I used that pedal for a long time with the strats and teles and a couple of 65 Reverbs with the Fargen mod. Playing blues
ock in a multiple guitar environment my sound was lost in the mix............... until................ I ran the metal zone into a Boss OD3, that's when the magic began for me. It cleaned it up a bit but kept the sustain and brought it forward in the mix... I love the show, first thing I look for on Friday. :)
Oh loved this! :-D :-D
It's amazing how every single person that tries this pedal is horrified by the buzz, but always completely in love with the EQ ... I still think it's one of the pedals with the best eq sections out there ...
And please publish the details of what mods you actually do go ahead with, I have one and still haven't decided which way to go in with the soldering iron.
Try it in the FX loop. It makes it sound better, not kidding.
Watch their most recent video with Rabea Massad
I love the moment at 6:58 where Mick goes to move to the bridge pickup and reaches for the upper horn like a Les Paul - and just gets nothing...
Bumping this up to modern day in reference to the COVID quarantine, just because of the intro!
You guys should "re-release" this one, and maybe some others from your personal "BEST OF TPS" list.
man if you've got the ears, and the patience, you can kill it with all these cool pedals....
For the Metal thing, the Metal Zone is awesome
+Bob Oliver
I disagree. There's much better. FOr the same price (or lower) as well.
+Bob Oliver I'd say it depends heavily on the style of metal. With some careful tweaking of the tone controls it's at least useable for thrash or 80s inspired stuff... possibly black metal as well. And it offers a surprisingly wide range of variation in the EQ and gain controls. But my personal taste in metal tones falls more on the fuzzy doom/sludge side of things which this pedal is worthless for.
+Zavach85 Nooooo way! :D There is nothing worse than a line 6 spider! Nothing! :D
+Dead Dinosaur Productions
As someone that does thrash stuff, I hate the Metal Zone. The cocked way tone, the harsh high end, the thin sound... You're better off spending money on an AMT pedal or spending $50 more on a MXR 5150.
I strongly approve of Bea joining in!
+Robstafarian me too! Can't wait ;)
rule #1 with the mt2, never turn the gain past noon. rule number two, never turn the gain past NOON. rule number three, see rule one and two. rule number four, the lower the gain the better, try 20 to 40%. adjust eq to you likeing, if into metal speed pick the e string while adjusting the mid frequency but the mid must be boosted or cut while doing so.
i believe page used the metal zone for that early zeppelin tone
Yeah I mean this video has Zeppelin tones all over
No Chuck Berry did it before.
actually you guys never sounded better :)
pure true xD
they really put some modern, ballsy tones through in some settings.
Wait a minute.... You guys actually got usable tones from that Metal Zone. Maybe now that I have decent guitars and a tube amp and 20+ years of learning how to shape tone; that might be worth revisiting. The metal zone of my youth is fizzy and nasty with entry level guitars and a solid state amp.
It is so bizarre watching this both post pandemic, as well as both post introduction to Biffy
You guys were getting the spirit and fun of this pedal for the first half.
I don't want to be immature, but something just got my attention. And it's one of those things that you can't unsee no matter how hard you try :D Pause at 1:09 and read what it says on a shirt.
+MrCorvusC It's absolutely unintended and unfortunate. Let's move on.
I have a Boss Metal Zone. Technically, it’s vintage now (made in 1995, lol). I’ve never been able to shake it. It’s still on my board. Why? Because it is incredibly versatile if you take the time to figure out the EQ. Now, it’s going to do classic warm tube overdrive; there’s just too much gain. However, you can use it as a heavy overdrive. It can easily cover DS-1 ground; you can get some of the HM-2 sounds out if it, from the Swedish metal tones to the tones Gilmour used the HM-2 for on “Delicate Sound of Thunder”. It just takes time, and tailoring it to fit your rig (whatever guitar you have, any other pedals, your amp, etc...). I can’t get classic fuzz tones from it, but you can get it into Muff territory (you can get RAT tones out of it, and one time I swear I got close to replicating Cornish P2 tones). Again, it’s a better, more versatile pedal than most think, it’s just figuring out what each of the dials do. I think people bought this thing, dimed all the knobs (like people do on the HM-2) and it sounded harsh and terrible, earning it that dubious reputation. That might be the biggest downside of the MT-2: it’s not the most user friendly.
Don't ever wear that shirt with a guitar strap Mick! That Pedo Show...
+Bob Pijnenburg whoops ...
🤪
Mick's strat and his great playing + Andy Timmons JHS = tone heaven
You've actually got amazing metal riffs in stock guys! That's amazing :D
go home boys ! MT-2 fucking rockkss !!!
Just watch this episode and I can't believe that you pulled out some of the most beautiful tones you ever had on TPS. \m/
I actually kind of like the scooped sound on the metal zone, maybe I am just remembering my middle school days.
I use it with the kids not totally scooped but probably on about 9 o'clock with the mid frequency a hair past 9 o'clock also with the low on about 4 o'clock and highs on about 2 o'clock and distortion anywhere between 12 and 3 o'clock and level at noon and with an eq pedal to shape it just a glitch and sounds great, almost seems like some metal zones sound a little different and just gota shape the eq knobs to get them to sound the same
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Wow, the Boss MT-2 sounds like a beast. These guys make it sound awesome.
Yes, the Boss Metal Zone sounds way better than that Angry Charlie wimp of a pedal.
This actually convinced me to look into getting one.
6:57 Mick thought he was playing a Les Paul :D
i do not know how boss pedals have got so much kudos!
I prefered the sound of metal zone.
David Johnsen same here
Me too
not many people know but kirk hammet actually used a metal zone up until about 94-95 through his stacks, u can really hear it in the show in Moscow in 91
I just love how much fun they are having in this
First time I've heard one too.... love the adjustability!!!!
Sounds like being hit in your infected ear with a bag full of marbles after a day at the swimming baths.
Quite a futuristic introduction 😃😷😷
This video showing up now in my recommendations is even funnier 😂😂😂😂😂
Say what you want about the metal zone but the fact is it’s the most versatile pedal on the planet and can easily pull awesome rock sounds as well as metal
HAD to make a follow-up comment - *the absolute KEY to using this pedal is the mid-frequency control.*
What you need to do is put everything at 12 o'clock and then turn the mids knob ALL THE WAY UP(stick with me here). Now, slowly sweep the mid-frequency controller thru it's entire spectrum and find that nasally, whiny, shitty frequency(you will know it when you hear it and it will be different with each gear set-up) and NOW turn the mids down to kill that CRAP frequency you found. THAT is the secret to using this pedal. You are NOT scooping the mids in their entirety, you are simply killing that certain spiky, ear-fatiguing tone... then adjust bass/treble to ones liking & inherent guitar/amp tone.
BOOM, good tone** using the BOSS MT-2 Metal Zone.
**'good tone' is subjective - good for Iron Maiden is not good for Eric Clapton. ;0p
Now go forth and bring the *METAL*. \m/^_^\m/
Oh. My. God. I thought this was a Covid episode until I saw it was from 4 years ago! Man, when this pandemic stuff is over, no one is going to understand
ahead of the times
Rabea to make an appearance in the next installment? Woot.
What would be great fun is to get hold of the now defunct Tec21 Hot-Rod Plexi ...the limitrd Edition Export only model with
the THUMP control...the THUMP...imitates the Marshall ...1960 4x12 cabinet ... I feel like I am going to get wind burn when I play it. The shouts of 'WOW' and "Oh my god!!!" will be heard from all the viewers.
Keen to see the next step!
+Tïr Eoghain Blackman it's happening :)
One major complaint I always see about this thing is that it sounds harsh. That's an upside for me, hell yeah. I absolutely love to have that earsplitting feedback noise combined with making other noises, it's fantastic.
You guys are definitely out of your comfort zones with this one. Great idea bringing in Rabea, and have him bring a real metal guitar. This pedal is awesome for it's intended purpose and I own one. I exclusively use it for metal. I have an 80's Maxon SD9 for regular driven tones.
+Darrell McMillan yep, can't even see our comfort zone from here ;)
+Darrell McMillan I didn't know we had one Dan?!
...Aaahhhh I'm seventeen again..!...oh that SG is sweet!...lovin it! 😄👏🏻✨🎸
The Metal Zone was the pedal I got when I was young and didn't know any better. That thing lasted forever, though. I really enjoy your channel! You guys should do a video on wah pedals. I don't think I've seen that on here yet.
Cool At the gates covers guys.. Nailed that Slaughter of the souls tone ;)
I love how Dan is always about what they sound like together. 🤘
My thoughts are there's no such thing as a bad pedal. Even the most over the top outrageous and even harsh sounding pedals have there place for certain situations. For example Jack White gets some pretty gnarly sounds out of his rig but he makes it work within the context of his style of music.
+Jeffrey Haefner We agree that any pedal is potentially capable of love, Jeffrey.
That's cool that you guys take the time for the comments section. Really enjoy the show BTW. Cheers.
This was my very first effect pedal when I started playing guitar at 11 - 12 years old about 15 years ago.. I personally don't care for the "hate bandwagon" this pedal has become infamous for.. I think, just like any other effect, it is as good as the imagination and creativity of the player using it=)... I'm sure a nice lead tone can be dialed-in due to the extensive tone/eq controls
+M Naps Well this and the Boss Heavy Metal become the Buzzsaw sound in the Swedish Death Metal scene. If you look at bands like In Flames, Dark Tranquillity eg its all over the early albums.
Honestly guys, if you read this, hear me out.
Next time you do part two if you an get hold of an unmodded version, do so, and put it in front of a midrangey (Marshall/Suhr, something with punch) amp that is breaking up a little bit. Not quite rythm breakup, but not like grungy clean either. just a bit of dirt. Turn the distortion control down to under 1/4th and fiddle about with the EQ.
I guarentee it'll sound better. Maybe not great. But I personally put mine in front of a marshall valvestate 8080, the hyrbid solid state poweramp with a single tube preamp, and set the pedal that way.
I wouldn't play Wembly with it, but it sounds fine for home/small gigs mucking around playing metal and super heavy rock. By using a midrangey amp you can dial in the bottom end and turn down the treble without losing any punch.
Also as a result of turning down the distortion and letting it meld with the amp, it gets rid of a lot of that hiss and fizz.
Just give it a shot, if you can be bothered, I'd like to see how it turns out for yas.
Ha! 'We're clipping a bit mate' hilariously good. Cheers lads.
Metal Zone is a fine pedal for what it does. These dudes nailed it. They didn't let everything they heard about the thing ruin the fun of playing it and they admitted it worked for certain sounds. I did the Monte Allums Sustania mod on mine and its pretty good. It kinda needs a high headroom clean amp to do its's thing though. it'll compress a slightly clipping amp really hard and that's why it sounds so sterile sometimes.
Legend has it that if you swap out every single component and put them in a new enclosure you can make this pedal sound gnarly
you can also get a pretty good Satriani "surfing with the alien" lead sound with this pedal...think of "always me,always you" ...it also nails "flying in a blue dream"....
The MT-2 does what it does fairly well as long as you work within it's tonal range and you don't expect it to do low gain OD. I picked one up cheap in a pawn shop a few years ago for the occasional instances when I need that chugging metal sound for recording. I find it does best with a guitar loaded with high gain humbuckers and a solid state front end. I run it into an ADA MP-1 on a solid state clean setting into a Hughes and Ketner Red Box speaker emulator (active version) and it can do some great high gain sounds. It's a one trick pony, but the one trick is pretty good!
Kevin Shields uses a Metal Zone. End of story. Great pedal.
The Metalzone warned us all. We didn't listen.
The Metal Zone kicks that other pedals ASS!
I can actually see some potential for getting some more lofi, deranged tones out of this thing.