I remember back when Xenoblade X came out, someone said as a joke that it would be wild if there were 8 other Xenoblade games after the first one and in the end, X was the tenth one (using X as the roman numeral). That is how I want X to be connected to the main trilogy now.
If you count remakes and DLC campaigns as separate games for fun, it'd be both the second and the ninth. (1, X, 2, TGC, 1DE, FC, 3, FR, XDE) Not far off, really.
I'll just say it straight up. If they don't explain the connection between Telethia, Mira and the Ovah, then they haven't answered the actual biggest question this game left unanswered. Sure, more people want to know about Lao's fate, the Black Knight, Elma's mentor, and what Mira is. But I feel like those things only require a little context to make sense. We aren't as far from the truth. But the Ovah? That NEEDS to be explained. It's explained enough to make sense biologically to the Orphe, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY HINTS AND LORE IMPLICATIONS. I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE OVAH, AND ABOUT TELETHIA, THE ENDBRINGER, AND ABOUT THE ORPHE. I WILL NOT BE SATISFIED IF THEY DO NOT BRING ME CLOSURE ON THIS.
It's a pretty accepted theory that the Telethia in X came to X's world from the fog rift in future connected, but other then that there's the entire rabbit hole about Ganglion, the Samaar federation, the true nature of Mira, and all that stuff that honestly I think needs to be explained across multiple games
@AstralXen the problem I have with that theory is that it doesn't actually answer anything. Sure, we see a telethia enter the rift. But its departure from XC1 says nothing of its arrival on Mira, besides, Endbringer looks more like a monstrous overgrown Sani Telethia, not so much like the one that entered. I'm not denying that it's possible, but as of now, it would require a few retcons to fully fit. Also that leaves the Ovah unexplained still!
Agreed, it doesn't mean anything. I do think that there's going to be a connection to the main trilogy and I really hope it's not via the Klaus experiment judging by the Future Redeemed details, but I'd like to see it tied to the Conduit somehow, as it teleported out of its universe at the end of XC2 and could be anywhere by now. It might've even been the basis for developing the Lifehold as seen by the shape of the units.
I really wish X lore theorising went past the first cutscene theres so much other stuff to unpack. I know people wanna connect it but there are so many ways to make it work without retcons, all 3 main games happened in different worlds I dont see why x being another makes it different. That and if we get an x2 I want it to be different to the main series I like the more near future scifi twist on the series it has and I dont want that to go away by merging it.
"All 3 main games happened in diffrent worlds, I don't see how X is diffrent". You are aware that this would be a sentence in favor of force-connecting the games, right?
Making all the games canon to each other in the same universe wouldn’t change anything for X as all the blade elements are stuck on earth that was left behind. Connecting them would not touch X until they actually leave the pocket space and try to return to the solar system and more than likely they’d find the other humanity that already left earth to start up Neo Jerusalem than the humanity from Klaus’ experiment
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer I honestly think the Conduit exists in X and is the basis of the advanced tech on earth like in 2, not to mention parts of the lifehold are shaped like it
@@AstralXen if saga is believed the conduit/Zohar would’ve been found not stuck in the ground but inside some kind of advanced technological housing unit or something. So that could be tied back to the samaarians
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer in x the earth literally exploded into pieces, did you even watch luxin's videos? if earth exploded, alrest wouldn't exist. because alrest, klaus's world, is the remnants of earth, just another world got created from matter from earth from the klaus experiment and became the bionis and mechonis. also, future redeemed specifically references vector industries from xenosaga, it is confirmed the saviorite rebels from 2 are the salvator faction in xenosaga lead by dmitri yuriev, one of the main villains of xenosaga, savorite was just a english dub change in xenoblade 2, it was always salvator in japanese. and even the colony ship launch date is from xenosaga, the project exodus is a colony ship project in both x and xenosaga, but in future redeemed it specifically references the xenosaga launch date. luxin went over this before in a video, but you all never watched it because you complain its too long. so literally you x fans don't understand the lore drops in future redeemed at all and think its referencing x when it isn't, x is one of the many other universes klaus mentioned. the blue light falling to the new planet at the end of future redeemed is kosmos from the xenosaga 3 ending. and don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about or need to play x, because I've played every xenoblade, including x.
Fully agreed! I've also been thinking that if there's a connection it's likely to be to do with the Samaar Federation precursors. Unrelated - I really want to see the Rose Garden in the new content - that, or some representation of somewhere else beyond the continents and ocean that we already see 👀
I feel like Lin's line about searching for Earth again might've been more metaphorical than literal, given the other arks but it's hard to say for certain. I also feel like going back to where Earth was makes sense even if Earth is gone anyways. People are sentimental, and there's always a chance that maybe the entire planet wasn't completely obliterated into space dust. Just got made completely uninhabitable. Who knows! Also there's no way that Klaus' experiment and X's opening are at the same time - for the simple reason of the Saviorite Rebels. You'd think if there were actual literal aliens bombing Earth with antimatter bombs, that'd have been mentioned along with the Saviorite Rebels attacking the Beanstalk...but no, it was just Saviorites during the experiment.
The lack of mention does not mean it isn’t happening as the current threat is the salvator’s gunning for the Conduit. If anything the activation of Aion could’ve been for earth defense as it would be earth’s most powerful weapon being directly connected to the conduit and putting up a defense against the war happening above earth
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Ok but why would they care about the Saviorites when these top scientists know that they’re under attack by aliens strong enough to explode planets? For that matter, why would the Saviorites launch an attack if it’s basically useless to even have the conduit in the face of aliens that can explode planets (and thus you will not have enough time to use the conduit)? Also, ngl, those events happening at the same time would make the experiment scene so much worse. Instead of Klaus talking about how the nature of humans towards conflict has doomed humanity, he just looks like an idiot who forgot that there’s aliens that explode planets right outside and about to explode the planet. At that point he’s totally wrong, humans did absolutely nothing to destroy the planet in the grand scheme of things, the aliens did a lot worse, and he should maybe mention that. For the record, I’m pro-connecting X to the trilogy, just in a much more elegant way.
@@JadeM15 Do you know those aliens were actually powerful enough to destroy the planet? It is still in question if anti matter was ever deployed, considering both the game and the theory think Earth was never actually destroyed.
@@lpfan4491 I don’t think that the aliens definitely absolutely destroyed the planet, but every character in the game certainly believes so, including Elma, the character that has outside information on the capabilities of the aliens. At the very least, they have enough power to render Earth uninhabitable, thus prompting Project Exodus. It doesn’t really matter what the aliens were capable of or did, just that humanity thought they were a big enough deal to evacuate the planet and that everyone left behind was 100% dead, which would probably be well known by an elite scientist like Klaus.
Dude, can you give me a link to the full photo that you made your PFP?!? It's (A)mazing, and i've somehow never seen it before! (Despite how obsessed i am with A lol, she's my personal favorite Xeno character.)
I haven't played X, so I don't really have any thoughts on the plot and retcons, but this video just makes me more excited for when it comes out in March :)
I mean, Xenosaga's lower Domain and Xenoblade 2's Gate means anything can be canon simultaneously with no consequence as multiple universes coexisting is a stated constant for both series.
@@Gloomdrake don't worry, Xenoblade 6 will have Tetsuya Takahashi himself explaining that he made up the kid playing with action figures because it's a video game
TL:DR, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO NOBODY SHOULD ACT LIKE THEY DO WITH ANY CERTAINTY. Come on guys, we've had three games all with the same general message of "only fools or tyrants claim to know the future with exact certainty". Also, If everybody could maybe just not hype themselves up for any potential links and then get mad when those links do or do not happen, that would be great. I cannot express how annoying it is, to see people express anger or hatred towards Xc3 or Future Connected or Even Future Redeemed because they convinced and hyped themselves up about things that were never promised or guaranteed to happen. If XcX:De does not contain any direct links back to the numbered games, that is not some failing of the game or Monolith, thats the fans hyping themselves up for what was always only a possibility.
I dont really want X to be connected to the trilogy, X being its own thing its what make it special, i agree that if anything, it might be connected because of the multiverse stuff, and Telethia the end bringer being from the original Xenoblade
I completely agree with keeping X separate because of it's uniqueness. And I 'personally' disliked 2 and 3 for my own reasons, so on top of what you've said I hope they don't mess it up.
Them showing exactly what happened to earth last time is probably why they transitioned in the trailer. Like "whoops we showed exactly what happened to earth way too soon last time. Lets wait either way later or not show it this time." Lin comparing to it disappearing in a shroud of light definitely gets a lot of people buzzing because of xbc 3. If anything, they _might_ be drawing attention to it because they're basically admitting its the same kind of technology from 3 that is being used to destroy the planet. The kind that has "no discernable limit," to its range.
Well im happy that some youtuber finally mentioned it that Lins lines already existed in the original and they were inconsistent. Im not sure who those people are , you talked about that speculated about a retcon ... and i cant see a retcon at all , so i agree with you , no matter who those other people are. That said , there is no confirmation about another Earth existing in a Multiverse .... we dont even have confirmation if the Conduit is connecting to multiple universes or to a higher dimension. We know there are distant dimensions , and that people from Earth got beamed there when Klaus experiment took place. We also know that there are multiple Pocket Dimensions within the same Universe , as thats what XC1,2,3 are about. And we also got hinted at it in an interview that time might run differently within those Pocket Dimensions. At least i cant see any , but please correct me if im wrong.
i cant see monolith soft actually finding a way to make everything directly connected without either doing MAJOR retcons or a multiverse storyline which i think most people would find lame personally i hope they use xenosagas timeline resetting to explain the samaarians and maybe make X a future timeline with the samaar federation being people from the current timeline perfect way to bring everything other then gears into the main timeline and make the stories blend together without just doing an overused multiverse plotline
Problem with Saga, it’s the last loop as they ended that in the events of Saga so they can’t make a new universe after that without some more saga content
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer i dont know all the saga lore but isnt it only the last universe because they killed the guy who was resetting everything? my thought is the good guys have to reset the timeline (reluctantly) for some reason to end the gnosis threat once and for all but unlike the last guy they sent a whole civilization of people from the old timeline and had a plan beyond just prolong the universes existence
@@hermannator1 I don’t think it was ever said they needed to reset the universe only that the previous guy Wilhelm was doing so to prevent complete multiversal collapse. They are likely trying to figure out a different solution to fix the issue of gnosis
you're on copium if you think takahashi wouldn't link x to the mainline games. if there is a way he can tetsuya nomura it, then he'll definitely do it, just like he did with xenoblade 2 being directly linked to 1 with context that did not exist in 1. same goes for xenogears & him directly linking it to blade/saga if square enix would allow him to do something with the ip
when I'm in a reaching/overthinking competition and my opponent is a Xenoblade fan: Sometimes things are just as they are shown and have little or no hidden meaning. I really wish people would've realised this after a lot of the questions during the Takahashi interview in the XC3 artbook earlier this year was stuff that was already answered in the game
The trailer hasn't shown anything yet, but I personally really wouldn't be surprised if they reanimate the explosion of Earth. So long as you assume Xenoblade 2's exposition is just being a bit circumspect and vague (in the same way that Alvis leaves a few things out in Xenoblade 1), then the idea that Klaus pressed the big ol' button because of wide-spread conflict and flying mechs approaching the beanstalk... well, all that happening whilst there's also a melee a trios of humans and two alien factions at the same time isn't too massive a change. (Much like Alvis, you can fudge it away as the Architect leaving out details that aren't relevant at all. Simpler to say "war" than "simultaneous double alien invasion"). Ideally, this would be the only tie-in to the other Xenoblades we get at all. Earth winks out of existence, presumed lost to an anti-matter explosion, but it was actually the Experiment. It ties the game in whilst leaving X free to take place completely independently of the rest of the series' continuity.
Or you could write "after the X references in Future Redeemed, I don't want saga to connect to the "main" trilogy, just think it'd be too messy and crowded" Or better yet, you could wait to see what Monolith Soft will cook. Have more faith.
X would have to be retconned to the point of unrecognisablilty to fit into the main continuity. Especially to have both X and Saga. Saga alone wouldn’t, not much would have to change. So yes X especially would be messy.
or saga being canon could be an opening for X to become canon later down the road saga had reset timelines and that could be used to explain the samarrians
both Saga and X have multiple universes already baked into the setting. I think trying to force X and the other blade entries in the same exact universe is messy and hamfisted but X is all about universal cross over so.... if it's anything then it's going to be that. Also it would make alot of sense. I disagree that it would be "crowded" since the xenoblade series has been good about telling the story infront of them in each entry and having the cross over be a nice thing for long time fans. If you miss it then it doesn't really hurt the experience all that much.
Im hoping it is a retcon because one of the biggest story writing problem (besides the cliffhanger ending and the story making Elma in the right even though she was the one who let Lao go in the first place) was the fact that Lao betrayed NLA for the ganglion, the people who actually killed his wife and child and earth. Lao point about the rich using and abusing minorities gets totally undermine by the fact that humanity did nothing wrong this time. At least having Klaus experiment be the one that destroyed earth would better Lao story.
Lao eventually came to the realization that the people of earth, let alone the rich, wouldn't need to have done that at all, if not for the Ganglion planning to attack the humans. While very despicable of what has happened, it was ultimately out of survival and response of genocide approaching them. Even if they couldn't be saved by their crappy government, it still was the Ganglions, and possibly the Ghost, that ended up killing his family. So what is he to do? End humanity for letting his family back in home to their fate, and let their killers get away with it? Or get revenge to the ones who actually ended them and ruined many human lives? Besides, we still have many side content of humans being terrible, on how low they would stoop to get what they want. The message would not be lost really. Also what another comment said, retconning X's Earth being destroyed because Klaus would be even worse. Because then it contradicts all of what Klaus was saying about humanity ruining the world, but here we have Aliens having a warzone on it's atmosphere and anti matter bombing it is what's actually ruining it. It just would make the scene tone deaf, ruining whatever impact it had thematically about humanity, also making Klaus look like an ass. Which also again, would affect X negatively with writing inconsistency.
Lao wanted both Humans (hyprocritics of NLA) and Ganglion dead. Pulling this off would be too hard though, so he joined the team that was more likely to beat the other (allowing Lao to pull off at least half of his vengeance). That is why he joined the Ganglion. Most I would agree with you is that it would be welcome to make this more clear in the game.
My thinking, based on how the end of XC3's Future Redeemed DLC played out along with some of the changes noticed between the trailers of the original game and the remaster, I think that a retcon might have taken place but not the one that people think. I don't think that it's gonna end up with Earth not being destroyed, but I do think it's gonna connect X to the main XC series somehow. They're doing a lot of weird multiverse weirdness, so I think it's something along those lines. Edit: My fringe theory is that when the XC1 and XC2 worlds merged again, what if they took the place of the destroyed Earth in the X universe? I'm not sure how the KOS-MOS easter egg / reference at the end of Future Redeemed ties into it cause I never played the other games, but hey. 😅
Xeno X doesn't need any retcon to be integrated into the xenoblade 1-2-3 timeline anyway, my theory : The human from the project exodus in Futur redeemed "flashback" survived the Klaus experiment, over the millennia they colonized space and became known as the Samaarians, meanwhile the event of xenoblade 1-2 and 3 happen and the worlds finaly fused together. Life and humanity re-evolve on earth, then the blue dot moving toward earth at the end of futur redeemed is Elma's ship coming to try to save humanity. Let's see in March how Takahashi will prove me wrong :p
I do believe that X is somehow connected to the other games but not as heavily as everyone thinks. There are too many things that won’t make any sense. There is also this theory that the mothership is origin which also doesn’t make. Why would Elma come to earth then. I think Elma and where she’s from is very important. I wonder if they made her look very similar to Alvis on purpose.
If they double down on the Xenosaga connections they put in the Future Redeemed DLC, Eternal Recurrence allows for all sorts of alternate takes on events. They're all just different iterations on the loop.
I'm fairly certain the Lin cutscene is in the game. During chapter 4, I think, where you go to Noctilum and fight Goetia, you can walk past some cliffs, which Lin asks about to Tatsu, and he notes they can't cross the mountains here and need to go elsewhere. I think you can miss it though by going around the other way, since, open world and all that.
One thing that would make no sense about the planets being the same is simply because in X they knew beforehand that the world was going to be destroyed hence them traveling off planet. Which means they would have had to known in advance that the world was going to be destroyed, and thats only possible if they knew what the results of Klaus' experiment was going to be long before it happened which both the XC1 and XC2 cutscenes contradict that fact. What Klaus did was purely by chance and Meyneth explicitly states herself theres no way to know what would happen. Otherwise there is no way they could have prepared ships and sent them to space in the span of the seconds before Klaus presses the button.
I keep seeing people being SO SURE the numbered games are connected now and I just think to myself did you not pay attention to the actual plot of each game? 😭 I don't wanna be mean to those who think that but thank you for putting this in perspective inb4 we all turn out to be wrong when Xenoblade X-2: Takahashi's Wild Ride comes out
I don't think the base game will be altered much since the way they're wording the additional story content makes it out to be a Future Connected like addition. Though I can see them retconning things with that additional story by using the unreliable narrator trope. From our character's point of view they never actually see Earth get destroyed, and we only hear what others say happened to it. So the entire opening could be revealed to be false and we'll get the actual story of what happened in this additional story or in X2. The Xeno series isn't new to the unreliable narrator trope, so I can see them using it to make X fit better with the mainline Xenoblade series as well.
Well, as said in this video, that scene from Lin seems to be new, yet I would argue it is unlikely to be from the new story because they are in Noctilum and Mono saved the tease for the new story to the last scene. The wide shot from NLA is also new actually, and the scene with the two NPCs in the armory alley is also altered, the NPCs on the left is way closer to the camera compared to the original cutscene. So it does seem like some changes to the cutscenes of the main story of the original game will also happen.
I should start by saying thank you for pointing out that the intro cutscene and voice-overs have not been changed. So many people are taking this as proof that things are retconned and just running with it. I do feel as though people are looking for ways to keep X separate from other games, or are creating rather small points into insurmaountable hurdles to overcome, however. Regardless, I don't think that it would be disastrous for the games to be connected, especially when there's already precident for them connecting games and since there seems to be a desire from Monolith to unite the different Xeno groups of humanity. Additionally, the opening of X doesn't really retcon, nor is it retconned by the addition of the Klaus experiment. The destruction of Earth isn't a hard fact; Lin's narration saying that they may find it in the future is evedince enough. Additionally, Klaus's experiment never had an explicit reason to it. I think the most likely answer, with X in mind, was to originally remove Earth into a pocket dimension to escape the impending alien war. Klaus however, seems to hijack the experiment to his own ends, perhaps in trying to make an additional dimension for him to play god, he sundered the Earth. This retains his lamentation at his own hubris, while his dismay at humanity's cruel nature is furthered by the true nature of Oroject Exodus (it being more focused on saving the rich and powerful, leaving the common man behind). While I do find it to be fun to theorize and to find posdible threads linking the events if the games, I'm not beholden the idea that they have to be connected. Before 2 I figured that Xenoblade would function like Final Fantasy: similair themes and iconography, but different worlds.
My crackpot “theory” is that the button push triggered a matter shift event in several “adjacent” universes simultaneously. This could potentially explain why the explosion in X’s universe occurred seemingly suspended above the planet. Problems? Many. This would be strange narratively as Klaus doesn’t get to rebuild those adjacent universes unlike in 2. We don’t know the position of X’s conduit equivalent. Why would this even happen? Other potential theory is Ontos dipped into X’s universe for a bit in between 1 and 3. Reasoning? The ghost origin lookalike. Origin was built around Ontos, and he went missing for a bit before origin was conceived in the numbered universe. And we don’t see the ghosts after the earth’s destruction and the L-002 crashing. But again. Why? Don’t know.
Expanding on the dumb. The second Ontos theory could mean that he is the Great One. The Vita is basically ghost tech with a Ganglion trenchcoat, so it could be related to the missing proto Origin, and thus missing Ontos. Then again. Why?
Last one. Do FN probes have some sort of UMN type material link. How do they mine and get materials to the blades? I do remember Kristy’s quest line mentioning something about Frontiernav 2.0 having the capability to move materials and info across planets?
Just to be clear we are on the same page that the video transition literally means nothing but your logic for the bright and dark spots made no sense to me lmaoo Also just pointing out that the planet exploding cutscene doesn't contradict XB2 earth existing because it's also been sucked up into another dimension. What people saw from afar was an explosion and Earth being gone but what happened to it is unclear especially when Lin later points out that they want to look for Earth again.
It is insane how many people still argue with the Xenoblade 2 version of events when earth has already been retconned by 3 to be in its own pocket dimension. It is like people either never played 3 or the unwillingness to admit retcons existing is so big that they completely forgot its plot.
@@JadeM15 At that point, you gotta do this on purpose. I HOPE you are doing it on purpose. Morytha IS the remnants of the planet and neither 3 nor FR said otherwise. The split is a metaphysical one and the other world only had an endless ether sea, not anything else. The thing is that while not directly stating it, it was all but confirmed in 2 that the planet was simply still chilling out in space and the 3-retcon is that it is in a seperate pocket dimension like the ether sea. I have 0 idea how you got from my comment that I think that there is a third world containing the planet.
@ Ok fair, I misunderstood what you meant and completely agree with you on that aspect. There is no conflict between the trilogy and X when it comes to the physical state of the planet, but that doesn’t eliminate the (in my opinion, much larger) issue of the alien war potentially happening at the same time as the Saviorites attacking, which would just be plain bad writing.
In XC1 Alvis thought Klaus destroyed the universe then we learned in XC2 that Bionis is in a pocket dimension, then we learned in XC3 that Bionis and Alrest are in their own pocket dimensions and the destruction is the fusion of both Earths happening, in the real solar system there was no planet there until the end of XC3. So yes they can retcon anything and will just works because it's all a matter of perspective.
@@JadeM15 retcons are not bad writing and it happened multiple times already. The alien war above earth is not even a crazy retcon, Klaus just didn't mention it in xb2 because it wasn't even the main focus of his explanation.
On one hand; you could be entirely correct, and this is just wild speculation. On the other hand; you could be incorrect, and we should all be wildly speculating.
I can get better quality footage of battles against Ga Jiard and Ga Buide. Text better be larger and the blur filter better not hinder the visuals of their attacks for a personal project. Hopeful their wiki pages can be updated to provide details of their move set which will help alongside the visuals.
To me it has always seemed like x just takes place after the whole xenoblade 1-3 saga, x means 10 after all. We just need more games to add context. My evidence is only that the tainted monsters in oblivia are just like fogbeasts/gnosis which have specifically been used as “this is a surprise tool that will help us later” for the story. So im thinking that if anything, the star falling to earth at the end of FR is kosmos, then xenosaga happens after xenoblade, then x happens even later on. So imo x is connected to the series, we just dont know how yet and either the new content in this game, or more entire games will make the connection clear. After xenoblade 2, i really trust that monolithsoft has a plan, thats all
I mean in the simplest sense they were just matching the edit to Lin's line. X is and always was a separate universe and the stuff in Future Redeemed was just a nice easter egg. Probably the same for Saga though that would take much less plot and mental gymnastics to weave in if that is the plan. Weaving in X would need to change much more. This doesn't make X any less canon. This is simply a fictional setting that has a multiverse and X doesn't need to be neatly tied into the main trilogy lore to matter. If they ever do integrate it I assume it will be because one side crosses into the other's universe for reasons.
I don’t think that just because Xenoblade definitive edition doesn’t have the war above earth in the cut scene means that they couldn’t write con X to also be part of it. For two reasons one it was not like a recording of what happened. It was just an interpretation/recreation for Shulks understanding it wasn’t relevant to his choice that they were currently engaged in a battle. So lower wise, it still holds. And then, secondly, from a gameplay perspective, even though the games aren’t necessarily. Meant to be played in order. They are in order of 1 2 and three and so if you knew that there was actively a battle and you had tons of information about Zaza I feel that would lead to revealing the second games is plot a little too much so from my gameplay perspective and not showing it is also valuable I mean, the fact that sirens are covering the sky in that battle would kind of give away pretty early on what the plot is. That doesn’t mean I believe they’re going to retcon X although that is my favorite head cannon.
I more think they will connect it purely from a business point of view, xenoblade chronicles is a product, it has a fast growing interest especially after the release of 3 and its DLC, nintendo/monolith will naturally want to capitalise on this and by connecting X, they can sell the X remaster from a better position if its linked to the financially successful main series. Its not outside the realm of possibility to assume they will retcon 'Xenoblade Chronicles X' to link and fit into the other games called 'Xenoblade Chronicles' it just my thoughts on it
The Samaarians, as mentioned in the video. Since original X it is stated that the Samaarians "came from another plane, at the down of time". One possibility is that, after 3, humanity went on progressing and evolving, and eventually conquered the starts beyond. They eventually become what is known as the Samaar federation, and precursors of Humanity in X universe.
The xbcx earth doesnt have to exist for xbc2 to happen...there are multiple parallel earths as explained by claus in xbc2. But they have made it clear that we are done with the claus plot, so it isnt related to that at all presumably...takahashi does lie occasionally...
Yeah, I don't think there's any evidence of retconning of the opening cutscene in the trailer ... but would there even need to be even if it turns out that Earth wasn't actually blown to smithereens? If I were in a spaceship fleeing a war above Earth, and I saw Earth engulfed by a glowing ball of light before disappearing, I'd think it was destroyed! I wouldn't even have conceived of the possibility that it could have been whisked off to another dimension partially in tact. So, IMO, the opening narration is the X characters' understanding of what took place, which doesn't have to be the absolute truth.
If they want to make it connected, then they will make it so and if they don't, then they won't. They already had to push around several things to make the main games connect the way they do and XDE staying the same(If it does stay the same) is not particularly evidencial of anything in particular considering they never adjusted that one cutscene in DE to the canonical version(Which would be a cut down and slightly out of context version of what we see in 2). There is really no actual logic speaking for either outcome, so we just have to wait for the actual endresult of Xenoblade 4 or XCX2(Depending on what comes first).
Gamefreak doesn't really do multi-game storylines or consistent worldbuilding in the first place. It's only retroactive continuity if there's a continuity to be retroactively altered.
I still don't know if the Paradox Pokémon are dreamt or actually from the past or future. I hope they are dreamt. Because a past version of Suicune and the two would make no sense.
@thomaswinwood That's why I used the conditional. But if they did they would definitely do something as lazy as a screen transition to do a retcon was my point.
Though I'm not sure what's wrong with a retcon (wouldn't be the first one), it could, like there being no Beanstalk in DE, be a case of perspective. I'm not sure what really rules out X's connection to the other 3 or why it's a big deal. Honestly, I stopped caring years ago after forming the connection with Klaus' version and getting a lot of heat... I get X being a "spin off" or a black sheep makes it special but... I'm not sure how having a connection ruins that. If anything, it leaves the game to fend for itself and its several unanswered questions. It could even be both. If it's another universe created by Klaus, is that also a retcon? Or is it just an explanation or answer to one of the many unanswered questions raised in the game? I never played Gears or Saga so I too wouldn't see them as canon, much like the many who didn't play X compared to those two, but I don't get why they are canon but X is a retcon. If anything, X seems to slide in better as we are being painted a clearer picture of what truly happened to earth with each installment. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I never understood what the big deal was and I probably still wont even after I replay all of X. It's been a long time, I was starting college when X came out. So I'm just here for the ride. Its canonical nature, or rather each game's canonical nature, is a small part of the bigger picture as a whole. X was just the only one I felt needed a followup. More to tell and more to infer. Future Redeemed is the strongest argument for X being connected, but we've only heard the story from 3 very different perspectives: Alvis, Klaus, and Lin. One judged Klaus from the perspective of a mad scientist; one judged him morally from first person as someone off the earth and jaded with mankind, and the last was a survivor escaping the planet that was being destroyed from all sorts of different things and is seemingly unaware and detached from anything to do with the Orbital Ring. But if each game can be played on their own, then the continuity as a whole should be unaffected. After all, each game paints its own picture of its own story and each sequel adds to the larger picture that connects the story. Like a panorama. I can't play Saga or Gears to see how they connect, but I can play all of the Xenoblade games and see how they do. So, it is what it is and it will be what it will be. Who cares who's right or wrong when it's just a head canon until the game arrives... and could stay one even after... After all... the game doesn't have to explain anything... It was fine enough as it was. I was hoping for a port, so I wasn't expecting anything new.
Wait people are actually arguing about this? Xenoblade 1, 2 and 3 are pretty clear about them being separate from X entirely so it's pretty obvious that the main numbered games and X should always be considered separate timelines that have no connection except for a few small franchise references. It honestly seems like fans bending over backwards trying to make what they've already decided is going to happen in X DE make sense with the established lore of both branches of Xenoblade.
I think those people are just overcomplicating things. Why couldn't X just take place AFTER the worlds were rejoined at the end of XC3? We don't know what the result of the rejoining is. I'm sure we all hope that the cast of 3 get to reunite or something, but what's to say it just doesn't just resume from the initiation of Klaus' experiment which proceeds to fail, or at least from their point of view nothing happened. We already know there was a Project Exodus going when Klaus was doing his thing from the end of Future Redeemed, and we all know the blue light descending to Earth. That blue light could be Elma arriving, which prompts them to accelerate and repurpose Project Exodus to an evacuation instead of just a normal colonization project. Is it a perfect fit? No. But could it be made to work with minimal retcons? Sure. I do think it is far more likely that X is just it's own Universe in the Xeno multi-verse, but it is fun to speculate.
I have no knowledge about X but, why would it need a retcon??? I'm pretty sure XC3 goes out of it's way to tell us that XC and XC2's worlds are like 1 and -1, that the moment they reunite they anhilate, they become 0, in that sense they destroy each other. The whole reason Origin existed is because they needed to recreate their worlds after becoming 0 again so that earth we see at the end is a recreation. Okay, XC2 hast the original earth but we've never seen the surface and the tree around the tower is new, it could all be a recreation too, based on data just like every creature living on it. If two planets were created, that doesn't mean the one at 0, the original one, couldn't be destroyed too, and we know Klaus' experiment was done during a space battle anyway. No retcon needed.
I think now suggesting x is retconned because of a rrailer is the same as suggesting thax Saga is connected (after we got X and Saga references at the end of FR) to the main games. I thin either is stupid. While i think X is easier to implement (3 games are a bit much) i just wait for more Xeno. I like watching theories but i dont think there is something real behind them until i play the game.
I'm sad, these Xenoblade games so far are a shadow of the writing and sophistication and human celebration that Xenogears was, I'm playing blade 1 ATM and it's writing is so simple and boring, the combat and world are amazing but everything in it is uninteresting. The closets thing I'll get to Gears is blade X and that has even LESS stellar writing.
I’m not gonna say anything definitive. I will believe that all of them are on the table as real possibilities. Honestly the anti matter explosion explanation doesn’t seem like w definitive fate but what they believe happened as they were leaving as the ghosts were still falling and blowing up but the final explosion that did the earth in could easily be Klaus’ experiment as unless a gigantic ghost fell on the earth (seems it’s just troops nothing like a capital ship) I don’t see them being the true reason earth went missing (unless they shifted it through a different method that isn’t their anti matter cores)
And I know about the multi earth theory, that when Klaus’s experiment literally created multiple earth, which would include earth 2.0. Because in Xenoblade 3 there was a cut scene showing multiple earths, like Xenoblade one (earth) = trying to merge with Xenoblade 2 (earth) and but after the events of Xenoblade 3 merged back into the original Earth creating Mira that might be absorbing other earths from the mini Multiverse that was seen in the cut scene. What I mean by that is Xenoblade 1-3 and the new Xenoblade Saga 4 we’re absorbed and became Mira which took place billions of years ago, my theory is it absorbed earth 2.0, because the flashing explosion was actually absorption the same thing that happened to earth billions of years ago. My theory is that Mira is a combination of five earths, merge together similar to what happened in Xenoblade 3, cause it would explain why their voices are being translated, also the ganglion mentioned they couldn’t leave the planet because they literally can’t. My theory is they’re inside of a pocket dimension. And it seems history is just repeating itself , I think when earth 2.0 was destroyed, it was absorbed into Mira and I think the main cause is, because of Genesis, and it malfunctioned after in merged the original earth,Mira in the process. My theory is that Mira has been absorbing , different earths, mainly cause it’s following its programming to absorb information of humanity and planets.
Now the creator of the entire series, plan is out from the very beginning, but had to change it, his original plan was to make six games, that exist in the same universe at different time periods. That would be: Xenoblade 1-3 Xeno Saga 1-3 Xeno gears Xenoblade X But he added more games to his plan , he put cameos, hints, and familiar references from all the games on purpose so fans can put it together. About the original Xenoblade X was originally supposed to take place after Xenoblade one, but billions of years in the future, their references of heropon Rikki , the continents are made from the Bionus and Mechanus , a toy Manoto(laser sword) , they’re actually references of the Titans as well, and references of the other humanoid races in Xenoblade 2. And the creator did this on purpose , he literally reuse aspects of X to add it to a bigger story it is reuse the asset already there to make the story connect to it on purpose, which has been done in multiple series of games.
You do not see the earth explode in the opening cutscene. What explodes is the Moon. Earth is engulfed in a giant flash of light. That flash of light can easily have been the effects of Klaus's experiment. The moon exploded in a backlash from the earth vanishing. Then Klaus recreated it in his pocket dimension, both pocket dimensions in fact. And as far as the alien invasion goes, that's just a matter of people not knowing what as going on on the other side of the world.
Well, you say this, but Xenoblade 2 was totally a retcon. At best it drastically changed the context by adding a completely new, previously unmentioned antagonist who were blamed... for being 100% correct about Zanza being a self-centered asshole and a war being required to stop him from accidentally causing a mass extinction event. Twice. But to be honest: the last two Xenoblade games have taught me that Xenoblade doesn't care much about continuity or consistency. Xenoblade 3 especially.
I have to disagree with the idea that you have to jump through some kind of hoops to put X in the same universe as the numbered games. All you have to do is to just have the history specifically about what happened to Earth be wrong. All it takes is for them to have seen a flash and then the earth wasn't there.
Fair, but, why not address the fact that the transition screen chose to start on Earth flashing white before expanding to the rest of the screen, rather than on the whole screen from the beginning, slowly fading to white as usually transition screens are?
@ShadowSkyX sorry, but I did not understand your explanation. I don't know how any of that justify they picking a transition screen that is harder to do than one that would be easier and still do the same "job", fade the whole screen to white.
@@joebilly3719 For what it's worth, that type of transition isn't all that hard to do. I know it as a "bloom" transition, but different software might call it something else. It's a pretty common stock effect (just about any video editor will have some sort of "bloom" or "glow" effect), and it generally looks a lot better than just fading the entire screen white.
I remember back when Xenoblade X came out, someone said as a joke that it would be wild if there were 8 other Xenoblade games after the first one and in the end, X was the tenth one (using X as the roman numeral). That is how I want X to be connected to the main trilogy now.
It is narratively impossible
@@xenomaniac9410anything is possible if Klaus just decides to make another experiment
If you count remakes and DLC campaigns as separate games for fun, it'd be both the second and the ninth. (1, X, 2, TGC, 1DE, FC, 3, FR, XDE) Not far off, really.
@@Zorgot. Please mark this correctly as the huge spoiler that it is.
@@Seacle14 i’ll just delete it ig, even saying that it’s a spoiler for it will give it away
I'll just say it straight up. If they don't explain the connection between Telethia, Mira and the Ovah, then they haven't answered the actual biggest question this game left unanswered.
Sure, more people want to know about Lao's fate, the Black Knight, Elma's mentor, and what Mira is.
But I feel like those things only require a little context to make sense. We aren't as far from the truth.
But the Ovah? That NEEDS to be explained. It's explained enough to make sense biologically to the Orphe, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY HINTS AND LORE IMPLICATIONS.
I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE OVAH, AND ABOUT TELETHIA, THE ENDBRINGER, AND ABOUT THE ORPHE.
I WILL NOT BE SATISFIED IF THEY DO NOT BRING ME CLOSURE ON THIS.
It's a pretty accepted theory that the Telethia in X came to X's world from the fog rift in future connected, but other then that there's the entire rabbit hole about Ganglion, the Samaar federation, the true nature of Mira, and all that stuff that honestly I think needs to be explained across multiple games
@AstralXen the problem I have with that theory is that it doesn't actually answer anything. Sure, we see a telethia enter the rift.
But its departure from XC1 says nothing of its arrival on Mira, besides, Endbringer looks more like a monstrous overgrown Sani Telethia, not so much like the one that entered.
I'm not denying that it's possible, but as of now, it would require a few retcons to fully fit.
Also that leaves the Ovah unexplained still!
Agreed, it doesn't mean anything. I do think that there's going to be a connection to the main trilogy and I really hope it's not via the Klaus experiment judging by the Future Redeemed details, but I'd like to see it tied to the Conduit somehow, as it teleported out of its universe at the end of XC2 and could be anywhere by now. It might've even been the basis for developing the Lifehold as seen by the shape of the units.
I really wish X lore theorising went past the first cutscene theres so much other stuff to unpack. I know people wanna connect it but there are so many ways to make it work without retcons, all 3 main games happened in different worlds I dont see why x being another makes it different. That and if we get an x2 I want it to be different to the main series I like the more near future scifi twist on the series it has and I dont want that to go away by merging it.
"All 3 main games happened in diffrent worlds, I don't see how X is diffrent". You are aware that this would be a sentence in favor of force-connecting the games, right?
Making all the games canon to each other in the same universe wouldn’t change anything for X as all the blade elements are stuck on earth that was left behind. Connecting them would not touch X until they actually leave the pocket space and try to return to the solar system and more than likely they’d find the other humanity that already left earth to start up Neo Jerusalem than the humanity from Klaus’ experiment
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer I honestly think the Conduit exists in X and is the basis of the advanced tech on earth like in 2, not to mention parts of the lifehold are shaped like it
@@AstralXen if saga is believed the conduit/Zohar would’ve been found not stuck in the ground but inside some kind of advanced technological housing unit or something. So that could be tied back to the samaarians
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer in x the earth literally exploded into pieces, did you even watch luxin's videos? if earth exploded, alrest wouldn't exist. because alrest, klaus's world, is the remnants of earth, just another world got created from matter from earth from the klaus experiment and became the bionis and mechonis. also, future redeemed specifically references vector industries from xenosaga, it is confirmed the saviorite rebels from 2 are the salvator faction in xenosaga lead by dmitri yuriev, one of the main villains of xenosaga, savorite was just a english dub change in xenoblade 2, it was always salvator in japanese. and even the colony ship launch date is from xenosaga, the project exodus is a colony ship project in both x and xenosaga, but in future redeemed it specifically references the xenosaga launch date. luxin went over this before in a video, but you all never watched it because you complain its too long. so literally you x fans don't understand the lore drops in future redeemed at all and think its referencing x when it isn't, x is one of the many other universes klaus mentioned. the blue light falling to the new planet at the end of future redeemed is kosmos from the xenosaga 3 ending. and don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about or need to play x, because I've played every xenoblade, including x.
Fully agreed! I've also been thinking that if there's a connection it's likely to be to do with the Samaar Federation precursors.
Unrelated - I really want to see the Rose Garden in the new content - that, or some representation of somewhere else beyond the continents and ocean that we already see 👀
I feel like Lin's line about searching for Earth again might've been more metaphorical than literal, given the other arks but it's hard to say for certain.
I also feel like going back to where Earth was makes sense even if Earth is gone anyways. People are sentimental, and there's always a chance that maybe the entire planet wasn't completely obliterated into space dust. Just got made completely uninhabitable. Who knows!
Also there's no way that Klaus' experiment and X's opening are at the same time - for the simple reason of the Saviorite Rebels. You'd think if there were actual literal aliens bombing Earth with antimatter bombs, that'd have been mentioned along with the Saviorite Rebels attacking the Beanstalk...but no, it was just Saviorites during the experiment.
The lack of mention does not mean it isn’t happening as the current threat is the salvator’s gunning for the Conduit. If anything the activation of Aion could’ve been for earth defense as it would be earth’s most powerful weapon being directly connected to the conduit and putting up a defense against the war happening above earth
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Ok but why would they care about the Saviorites when these top scientists know that they’re under attack by aliens strong enough to explode planets? For that matter, why would the Saviorites launch an attack if it’s basically useless to even have the conduit in the face of aliens that can explode planets (and thus you will not have enough time to use the conduit)?
Also, ngl, those events happening at the same time would make the experiment scene so much worse. Instead of Klaus talking about how the nature of humans towards conflict has doomed humanity, he just looks like an idiot who forgot that there’s aliens that explode planets right outside and about to explode the planet. At that point he’s totally wrong, humans did absolutely nothing to destroy the planet in the grand scheme of things, the aliens did a lot worse, and he should maybe mention that.
For the record, I’m pro-connecting X to the trilogy, just in a much more elegant way.
@@JadeM15 Do you know those aliens were actually powerful enough to destroy the planet? It is still in question if anti matter was ever deployed, considering both the game and the theory think Earth was never actually destroyed.
@@lpfan4491 I don’t think that the aliens definitely absolutely destroyed the planet, but every character in the game certainly believes so, including Elma, the character that has outside information on the capabilities of the aliens. At the very least, they have enough power to render Earth uninhabitable, thus prompting Project Exodus.
It doesn’t really matter what the aliens were capable of or did, just that humanity thought they were a big enough deal to evacuate the planet and that everyone left behind was 100% dead, which would probably be well known by an elite scientist like Klaus.
@@lpfan4491no, the antimatter usage isn’t in question
I don’t agree, I think this means X will get its whole script changed and will be nothing like the Wii U game. We were played for fools.
Dude, can you give me a link to the full photo that you made your PFP?!? It's (A)mazing, and i've somehow never seen it before! (Despite how obsessed i am with A lol, she's my personal favorite Xeno character.)
Xenoblade Chronicles X Remake
I can't wait for them to retcon Tatsu as the final boss
as crazy as this would be, the cost of voice acting would hugely inflate the budget of this already-prohibitively-expensive-to-make remaster
@@AstralXeneither that, or Cross will have to Chimerize with him to put down the other chimera
I haven't played X, so I don't really have any thoughts on the plot and retcons, but this video just makes me more excited for when it comes out in March :)
I can't wait for Xenoblade 4 to reveal that nothing has ever been retconned, and anything that would be retconned is just an alternate universe.
That in itself would be a retcon.
@@lpfan4491don’t worry, Xenoblade 5 will reveal that the entire series was just a kid playing with action figures
@@Gloomdrake That's some Super Smash Bros ahh lore.
I mean, Xenosaga's lower Domain and Xenoblade 2's Gate means anything can be canon simultaneously with no consequence as multiple universes coexisting is a stated constant for both series.
@@Gloomdrake don't worry, Xenoblade 6 will have Tetsuya Takahashi himself explaining that he made up the kid playing with action figures because it's a video game
TL:DR, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO NOBODY SHOULD ACT LIKE THEY DO WITH ANY CERTAINTY. Come on guys, we've had three games all with the same general message of "only fools or tyrants claim to know the future with exact certainty".
Also, If everybody could maybe just not hype themselves up for any potential links and then get mad when those links do or do not happen, that would be great. I cannot express how annoying it is, to see people express anger or hatred towards Xc3 or Future Connected or Even Future Redeemed because they convinced and hyped themselves up about things that were never promised or guaranteed to happen. If XcX:De does not contain any direct links back to the numbered games, that is not some failing of the game or Monolith, thats the fans hyping themselves up for what was always only a possibility.
The Elma spoiler at 10:00 seems kind of unnecessary
He gives a spoiler warning at the start of the video
I dont really want X to be connected to the trilogy, X being its own thing its what make it special, i agree that if anything, it might be connected because of the multiverse stuff, and Telethia the end bringer being from the original Xenoblade
I completely agree with keeping X separate because of it's uniqueness. And I 'personally' disliked 2 and 3 for my own reasons, so on top of what you've said I hope they don't mess it up.
Glad im not the only one who thinks of CinemaSins at the end
Them showing exactly what happened to earth last time is probably why they transitioned in the trailer. Like "whoops we showed exactly what happened to earth way too soon last time. Lets wait either way later or not show it this time."
Lin comparing to it disappearing in a shroud of light definitely gets a lot of people buzzing because of xbc 3.
If anything, they _might_ be drawing attention to it because they're basically admitting its the same kind of technology from 3 that is being used to destroy the planet. The kind that has "no discernable limit," to its range.
Well im happy that some youtuber finally mentioned it that Lins lines already existed in the original and they were inconsistent.
Im not sure who those people are , you talked about that speculated about a retcon ... and i cant see a retcon at all , so i agree with you , no matter who those other people are.
That said , there is no confirmation about another Earth existing in a Multiverse .... we dont even have confirmation if the Conduit is connecting to multiple universes or to a higher dimension.
We know there are distant dimensions , and that people from Earth got beamed there when Klaus experiment took place. We also know that there are multiple Pocket Dimensions within the same Universe , as thats what XC1,2,3 are about. And we also got hinted at it in an interview that time might run differently within those Pocket Dimensions.
At least i cant see any , but please correct me if im wrong.
Xenoblade x KLAUS EDITION
i cant see monolith soft actually finding a way to make everything directly connected without either doing MAJOR retcons or a multiverse storyline which i think most people would find lame
personally i hope they use xenosagas timeline resetting to explain the samaarians and maybe make X a future timeline with the samaar federation being people from the current timeline
perfect way to bring everything other then gears into the main timeline and make the stories blend together without just doing an overused multiverse plotline
Problem with Saga, it’s the last loop as they ended that in the events of Saga so they can’t make a new universe after that without some more saga content
2 mentioned there's multiple universes. He knows his isn't the only one. Already establshed
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer i dont know all the saga lore but isnt it only the last universe because they killed the guy who was resetting everything? my thought is the good guys have to reset the timeline (reluctantly) for some reason to end the gnosis threat once and for all but unlike the last guy they sent a whole civilization of people from the old timeline and had a plan beyond just prolong the universes existence
@@ShadowSkyX im fully aware of that
i dont understand the point your making here
@@hermannator1 I don’t think it was ever said they needed to reset the universe only that the previous guy Wilhelm was doing so to prevent complete multiversal collapse. They are likely trying to figure out a different solution to fix the issue of gnosis
I feel called out and am sure he's picking at me cuz this video exists!
This version will have more Tatsu!
you're on copium if you think takahashi wouldn't link x to the mainline games. if there is a way he can tetsuya nomura it, then he'll definitely do it, just like he did with xenoblade 2 being directly linked to 1 with context that did not exist in 1. same goes for xenogears & him directly linking it to blade/saga if square enix would allow him to do something with the ip
when I'm in a reaching/overthinking competition and my opponent is a Xenoblade fan:
Sometimes things are just as they are shown and have little or no hidden meaning. I really wish people would've realised this after a lot of the questions during the Takahashi interview in the XC3 artbook earlier this year was stuff that was already answered in the game
The trailer hasn't shown anything yet, but I personally really wouldn't be surprised if they reanimate the explosion of Earth.
So long as you assume Xenoblade 2's exposition is just being a bit circumspect and vague (in the same way that Alvis leaves a few things out in Xenoblade 1), then the idea that Klaus pressed the big ol' button because of wide-spread conflict and flying mechs approaching the beanstalk... well, all that happening whilst there's also a melee a trios of humans and two alien factions at the same time isn't too massive a change.
(Much like Alvis, you can fudge it away as the Architect leaving out details that aren't relevant at all. Simpler to say "war" than "simultaneous double alien invasion").
Ideally, this would be the only tie-in to the other Xenoblades we get at all. Earth winks out of existence, presumed lost to an anti-matter explosion, but it was actually the Experiment. It ties the game in whilst leaving X free to take place completely independently of the rest of the series' continuity.
I hope they don't do any drastic changes. X was such an amazing game already.
NGL, after the Saga references in Future Redeemed i don't want X to connect to the main trilogy, just think it'd be too messy and crowded
Or you could write "after the X references in Future Redeemed, I don't want saga to connect to the "main" trilogy, just think it'd be too messy and crowded"
Or better yet, you could wait to see what Monolith Soft will cook. Have more faith.
And it'll be very difficult to add that story-line in a 10-15 hour epilogue even if its just a small thing
X would have to be retconned to the point of unrecognisablilty to fit into the main continuity. Especially to have both X and Saga. Saga alone wouldn’t, not much would have to change. So yes X especially would be messy.
or saga being canon could be an opening for X to become canon later down the road
saga had reset timelines and that could be used to explain the samarrians
both Saga and X have multiple universes already baked into the setting. I think trying to force X and the other blade entries in the same exact universe is messy and hamfisted but X is all about universal cross over so.... if it's anything then it's going to be that. Also it would make alot of sense. I disagree that it would be "crowded" since the xenoblade series has been good about telling the story infront of them in each entry and having the cross over be a nice thing for long time fans. If you miss it then it doesn't really hurt the experience all that much.
Im hoping it is a retcon because one of the biggest story writing problem (besides the cliffhanger ending and the story making Elma in the right even though she was the one who let Lao go in the first place) was the fact that Lao betrayed NLA for the ganglion, the people who actually killed his wife and child and earth. Lao point about the rich using and abusing minorities gets totally undermine by the fact that humanity did nothing wrong this time. At least having Klaus experiment be the one that destroyed earth would better Lao story.
I mean... spoilers down below.
Lao eventually came to the realization that the people of earth, let alone the rich, wouldn't need to have done that at all, if not for the Ganglion planning to attack the humans. While very despicable of what has happened, it was ultimately out of survival and response of genocide approaching them. Even if they couldn't be saved by their crappy government, it still was the Ganglions, and possibly the Ghost, that ended up killing his family. So what is he to do? End humanity for letting his family back in home to their fate, and let their killers get away with it? Or get revenge to the ones who actually ended them and ruined many human lives?
Besides, we still have many side content of humans being terrible, on how low they would stoop to get what they want. The message would not be lost really.
Also what another comment said, retconning X's Earth being destroyed because Klaus would be even worse. Because then it contradicts all of what Klaus was saying about humanity ruining the world, but here we have Aliens having a warzone on it's atmosphere and anti matter bombing it is what's actually ruining it. It just would make the scene tone deaf, ruining whatever impact it had thematically about humanity, also making Klaus look like an ass. Which also again, would affect X negatively with writing inconsistency.
Lao wanted both Humans (hyprocritics of NLA) and Ganglion dead. Pulling this off would be too hard though, so he joined the team that was more likely to beat the other (allowing Lao to pull off at least half of his vengeance). That is why he joined the Ganglion. Most I would agree with you is that it would be welcome to make this more clear in the game.
My thinking, based on how the end of XC3's Future Redeemed DLC played out along with some of the changes noticed between the trailers of the original game and the remaster, I think that a retcon might have taken place but not the one that people think.
I don't think that it's gonna end up with Earth not being destroyed, but I do think it's gonna connect X to the main XC series somehow.
They're doing a lot of weird multiverse weirdness, so I think it's something along those lines.
Edit:
My fringe theory is that when the XC1 and XC2 worlds merged again, what if they took the place of the destroyed Earth in the X universe?
I'm not sure how the KOS-MOS easter egg / reference at the end of Future Redeemed ties into it cause I never played the other games, but hey. 😅
Nah, they’re gonna reveal that the reformed earth is actually in the Xenoblade Chronicles Y universe
Xeno X doesn't need any retcon to be integrated into the xenoblade 1-2-3 timeline anyway, my theory : The human from the project exodus in Futur redeemed "flashback" survived the Klaus experiment, over the millennia they colonized space and became known as the Samaarians, meanwhile the event of xenoblade 1-2 and 3 happen and the worlds finaly fused together. Life and humanity re-evolve on earth, then the blue dot moving toward earth at the end of futur redeemed is Elma's ship coming to try to save humanity. Let's see in March how Takahashi will prove me wrong :p
I do believe that X is somehow connected to the other games but not as heavily as everyone thinks. There are too many things that won’t make any sense.
There is also this theory that the mothership is origin which also doesn’t make. Why would Elma come to earth then.
I think Elma and where she’s from is very important. I wonder if they made her look very similar to Alvis on purpose.
If they double down on the Xenosaga connections they put in the Future Redeemed DLC, Eternal Recurrence allows for all sorts of alternate takes on events. They're all just different iterations on the loop.
I'm fairly certain the Lin cutscene is in the game. During chapter 4, I think, where you go to Noctilum and fight Goetia, you can walk past some cliffs, which Lin asks about to Tatsu, and he notes they can't cross the mountains here and need to go elsewhere. I think you can miss it though by going around the other way, since, open world and all that.
One thing that would make no sense about the planets being the same is simply because in X they knew beforehand that the world was going to be destroyed hence them traveling off planet. Which means they would have had to known in advance that the world was going to be destroyed, and thats only possible if they knew what the results of Klaus' experiment was going to be long before it happened which both the XC1 and XC2 cutscenes contradict that fact. What Klaus did was purely by chance and Meyneth explicitly states herself theres no way to know what would happen. Otherwise there is no way they could have prepared ships and sent them to space in the span of the seconds before Klaus presses the button.
I keep seeing people being SO SURE the numbered games are connected now and I just think to myself did you not pay attention to the actual plot of each game? 😭 I don't wanna be mean to those who think that but thank you for putting this in perspective
inb4 we all turn out to be wrong when Xenoblade X-2: Takahashi's Wild Ride comes out
I don't think the base game will be altered much since the way they're wording the additional story content makes it out to be a Future Connected like addition. Though I can see them retconning things with that additional story by using the unreliable narrator trope. From our character's point of view they never actually see Earth get destroyed, and we only hear what others say happened to it. So the entire opening could be revealed to be false and we'll get the actual story of what happened in this additional story or in X2.
The Xeno series isn't new to the unreliable narrator trope, so I can see them using it to make X fit better with the mainline Xenoblade series as well.
Well, as said in this video, that scene from Lin seems to be new, yet I would argue it is unlikely to be from the new story because they are in Noctilum and Mono saved the tease for the new story to the last scene. The wide shot from NLA is also new actually, and the scene with the two NPCs in the armory alley is also altered, the NPCs on the left is way closer to the camera compared to the original cutscene. So it does seem like some changes to the cutscenes of the main story of the original game will also happen.
It’s driving me insane that people think this
I should start by saying thank you for pointing out that the intro cutscene and voice-overs have not been changed. So many people are taking this as proof that things are retconned and just running with it.
I do feel as though people are looking for ways to keep X separate from other games, or are creating rather small points into insurmaountable hurdles to overcome, however. Regardless, I don't think that it would be disastrous for the games to be connected, especially when there's already precident for them connecting games and since there seems to be a desire from Monolith to unite the different Xeno groups of humanity.
Additionally, the opening of X doesn't really retcon, nor is it retconned by the addition of the Klaus experiment. The destruction of Earth isn't a hard fact; Lin's narration saying that they may find it in the future is evedince enough. Additionally, Klaus's experiment never had an explicit reason to it. I think the most likely answer, with X in mind, was to originally remove Earth into a pocket dimension to escape the impending alien war. Klaus however, seems to hijack the experiment to his own ends, perhaps in trying to make an additional dimension for him to play god, he sundered the Earth. This retains his lamentation at his own hubris, while his dismay at humanity's cruel nature is furthered by the true nature of Oroject Exodus (it being more focused on saving the rich and powerful, leaving the common man behind). While I do find it to be fun to theorize and to find posdible threads linking the events if the games, I'm not beholden the idea that they have to be connected. Before 2 I figured that Xenoblade would function like Final Fantasy: similair themes and iconography, but different worlds.
Okay, I'm kinda dumb. I forgot that the orbital ring was an actual traversable place and not just the ring of light that appears in Xeno1.
My crackpot “theory” is that the button push triggered a matter shift event in several “adjacent” universes simultaneously. This could potentially explain why the explosion in X’s universe occurred seemingly suspended above the planet.
Problems? Many. This would be strange narratively as Klaus doesn’t get to rebuild those adjacent universes unlike in 2. We don’t know the position of X’s conduit equivalent. Why would this even happen?
Other potential theory is Ontos dipped into X’s universe for a bit in between 1 and 3. Reasoning? The ghost origin lookalike. Origin was built around Ontos, and he went missing for a bit before origin was conceived in the numbered universe. And we don’t see the ghosts after the earth’s destruction and the L-002 crashing. But again. Why? Don’t know.
Expanding on the dumb. The second Ontos theory could mean that he is the Great One. The Vita is basically ghost tech with a Ganglion trenchcoat, so it could be related to the missing proto Origin, and thus missing Ontos.
Then again. Why?
Last one. Do FN probes have some sort of UMN type material link. How do they mine and get materials to the blades? I do remember Kristy’s quest line mentioning something about Frontiernav 2.0 having the capability to move materials and info across planets?
Just to be clear we are on the same page that the video transition literally means nothing but your logic for the bright and dark spots made no sense to me lmaoo
Also just pointing out that the planet exploding cutscene doesn't contradict XB2 earth existing because it's also been sucked up into another dimension. What people saw from afar was an explosion and Earth being gone but what happened to it is unclear especially when Lin later points out that they want to look for Earth again.
It is insane how many people still argue with the Xenoblade 2 version of events when earth has already been retconned by 3 to be in its own pocket dimension. It is like people either never played 3 or the unwillingness to admit retcons existing is so big that they completely forgot its plot.
@@JadeM15 At that point, you gotta do this on purpose. I HOPE you are doing it on purpose. Morytha IS the remnants of the planet and neither 3 nor FR said otherwise. The split is a metaphysical one and the other world only had an endless ether sea, not anything else. The thing is that while not directly stating it, it was all but confirmed in 2 that the planet was simply still chilling out in space and the 3-retcon is that it is in a seperate pocket dimension like the ether sea. I have 0 idea how you got from my comment that I think that there is a third world containing the planet.
@ Ok fair, I misunderstood what you meant and completely agree with you on that aspect. There is no conflict between the trilogy and X when it comes to the physical state of the planet, but that doesn’t eliminate the (in my opinion, much larger) issue of the alien war potentially happening at the same time as the Saviorites attacking, which would just be plain bad writing.
In XC1 Alvis thought Klaus destroyed the universe then we learned in XC2 that Bionis is in a pocket dimension, then we learned in XC3 that Bionis and Alrest are in their own pocket dimensions and the destruction is the fusion of both Earths happening, in the real solar system there was no planet there until the end of XC3. So yes they can retcon anything and will just works because it's all a matter of perspective.
@@JadeM15 retcons are not bad writing and it happened multiple times already. The alien war above earth is not even a crazy retcon, Klaus just didn't mention it in xb2 because it wasn't even the main focus of his explanation.
On one hand; you could be entirely correct, and this is just wild speculation.
On the other hand; you could be incorrect, and we should all be wildly speculating.
Wild speculation is 80% of the video game UA-camr's MO.
Especially in regards to the Super Switch Omega 2D Online: Fighting Edition.
I can get better quality footage of battles against Ga Jiard and Ga Buide. Text better be larger and the blur filter better not hinder the visuals of their attacks for a personal project.
Hopeful their wiki pages can be updated to provide details of their move set which will help alongside the visuals.
To me it has always seemed like x just takes place after the whole xenoblade 1-3 saga, x means 10 after all. We just need more games to add context. My evidence is only that the tainted monsters in oblivia are just like fogbeasts/gnosis which have specifically been used as “this is a surprise tool that will help us later” for the story. So im thinking that if anything, the star falling to earth at the end of FR is kosmos, then xenosaga happens after xenoblade, then x happens even later on. So imo x is connected to the series, we just dont know how yet and either the new content in this game, or more entire games will make the connection clear. After xenoblade 2, i really trust that monolithsoft has a plan, thats all
I mean in the simplest sense they were just matching the edit to Lin's line. X is and always was a separate universe and the stuff in Future Redeemed was just a nice easter egg. Probably the same for Saga though that would take much less plot and mental gymnastics to weave in if that is the plan. Weaving in X would need to change much more. This doesn't make X any less canon. This is simply a fictional setting that has a multiverse and X doesn't need to be neatly tied into the main trilogy lore to matter. If they ever do integrate it I assume it will be because one side crosses into the other's universe for reasons.
I don’t think that just because Xenoblade definitive edition doesn’t have the war above earth in the cut scene means that they couldn’t write con X to also be part of it. For two reasons one it was not like a recording of what happened. It was just an interpretation/recreation for Shulks understanding it wasn’t relevant to his choice that they were currently engaged in a battle. So lower wise, it still holds. And then, secondly, from a gameplay perspective, even though the games aren’t necessarily. Meant to be played in order. They are in order of 1 2 and three and so if you knew that there was actively a battle and you had tons of information about Zaza I feel that would lead to revealing the second games is plot a little too much so from my gameplay perspective and not showing it is also valuable I mean, the fact that sirens are covering the sky in that battle would kind of give away pretty early on what the plot is. That doesn’t mean I believe they’re going to retcon X although that is my favorite head cannon.
I more think they will connect it purely from a business point of view, xenoblade chronicles is a product, it has a fast growing interest especially after the release of 3 and its DLC, nintendo/monolith will naturally want to capitalise on this and by connecting X, they can sell the X remaster from a better position if its linked to the financially successful main series. Its not outside the realm of possibility to assume they will retcon 'Xenoblade Chronicles X' to link and fit into the other games called 'Xenoblade Chronicles' it just my thoughts on it
I don't understand why people need to connect these games so badly that they will literally ruin narratives and make them worse to do it.
Nah, people are just theorizing ways that can be done (there is more than one), and there is fair precedent to believe that, let people have fun
@joebilly3719 Without ruining narratives? Let's hear some.
The Samaarians, as mentioned in the video. Since original X it is stated that the Samaarians "came from another plane, at the down of time". One possibility is that, after 3, humanity went on progressing and evolving, and eventually conquered the starts beyond. They eventually become what is known as the Samaar federation, and precursors of Humanity in X universe.
@@joebilly3719 I mean at that point the game is probably also connected to Cory in the House.
@Dharengo I mean at this point it is clear you are talking nonsense and is not familiar with the Xeno greater structure nor with Perfect Works.
The xbcx earth doesnt have to exist for xbc2 to happen...there are multiple parallel earths as explained by claus in xbc2. But they have made it clear that we are done with the claus plot, so it isnt related to that at all presumably...takahashi does lie occasionally...
Yeah, I don't think there's any evidence of retconning of the opening cutscene in the trailer ...
but would there even need to be even if it turns out that Earth wasn't actually blown to smithereens?
If I were in a spaceship fleeing a war above Earth, and I saw Earth engulfed by a glowing ball of light before disappearing, I'd think it was destroyed!
I wouldn't even have conceived of the possibility that it could have been whisked off to another dimension partially in tact.
So, IMO, the opening narration is the X characters' understanding of what took place, which doesn't have to be the absolute truth.
If they want to make it connected, then they will make it so and if they don't, then they won't. They already had to push around several things to make the main games connect the way they do and XDE staying the same(If it does stay the same) is not particularly evidencial of anything in particular considering they never adjusted that one cutscene in DE to the canonical version(Which would be a cut down and slightly out of context version of what we see in 2).
There is really no actual logic speaking for either outcome, so we just have to wait for the actual endresult of Xenoblade 4 or XCX2(Depending on what comes first).
Mass memory loss, remove Elma orrrrrrr just strait up lie about the whole introduction
Doing such a lazy retcon would be more Game Freak' style anyway.
Gamefreak doesn't really do multi-game storylines or consistent worldbuilding in the first place. It's only retroactive continuity if there's a continuity to be retroactively altered.
I still don't know if the Paradox Pokémon are dreamt or actually from the past or future. I hope they are dreamt. Because a past version of Suicune and the two would make no sense.
Ikr.
@thomaswinwood That's why I used the conditional. But if they did they would definitely do something as lazy as a screen transition to do a retcon was my point.
Though I'm not sure what's wrong with a retcon (wouldn't be the first one), it could, like there being no Beanstalk in DE, be a case of perspective. I'm not sure what really rules out X's connection to the other 3 or why it's a big deal. Honestly, I stopped caring years ago after forming the connection with Klaus' version and getting a lot of heat... I get X being a "spin off" or a black sheep makes it special but... I'm not sure how having a connection ruins that. If anything, it leaves the game to fend for itself and its several unanswered questions. It could even be both. If it's another universe created by Klaus, is that also a retcon? Or is it just an explanation or answer to one of the many unanswered questions raised in the game? I never played Gears or Saga so I too wouldn't see them as canon, much like the many who didn't play X compared to those two, but I don't get why they are canon but X is a retcon. If anything, X seems to slide in better as we are being painted a clearer picture of what truly happened to earth with each installment. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I never understood what the big deal was and I probably still wont even after I replay all of X. It's been a long time, I was starting college when X came out. So I'm just here for the ride. Its canonical nature, or rather each game's canonical nature, is a small part of the bigger picture as a whole. X was just the only one I felt needed a followup. More to tell and more to infer. Future Redeemed is the strongest argument for X being connected, but we've only heard the story from 3 very different perspectives: Alvis, Klaus, and Lin. One judged Klaus from the perspective of a mad scientist; one judged him morally from first person as someone off the earth and jaded with mankind, and the last was a survivor escaping the planet that was being destroyed from all sorts of different things and is seemingly unaware and detached from anything to do with the Orbital Ring. But if each game can be played on their own, then the continuity as a whole should be unaffected. After all, each game paints its own picture of its own story and each sequel adds to the larger picture that connects the story. Like a panorama. I can't play Saga or Gears to see how they connect, but I can play all of the Xenoblade games and see how they do. So, it is what it is and it will be what it will be. Who cares who's right or wrong when it's just a head canon until the game arrives... and could stay one even after... After all... the game doesn't have to explain anything... It was fine enough as it was. I was hoping for a port, so I wasn't expecting anything new.
Wait people are actually arguing about this? Xenoblade 1, 2 and 3 are pretty clear about them being separate from X entirely so it's pretty obvious that the main numbered games and X should always be considered separate timelines that have no connection except for a few small franchise references.
It honestly seems like fans bending over backwards trying to make what they've already decided is going to happen in X DE make sense with the established lore of both branches of Xenoblade.
I think those people are just overcomplicating things. Why couldn't X just take place AFTER the worlds were rejoined at the end of XC3? We don't know what the result of the rejoining is. I'm sure we all hope that the cast of 3 get to reunite or something, but what's to say it just doesn't just resume from the initiation of Klaus' experiment which proceeds to fail, or at least from their point of view nothing happened. We already know there was a Project Exodus going when Klaus was doing his thing from the end of Future Redeemed, and we all know the blue light descending to Earth. That blue light could be Elma arriving, which prompts them to accelerate and repurpose Project Exodus to an evacuation instead of just a normal colonization project. Is it a perfect fit? No. But could it be made to work with minimal retcons? Sure. I do think it is far more likely that X is just it's own Universe in the Xeno multi-verse, but it is fun to speculate.
I have no knowledge about X but, why would it need a retcon??? I'm pretty sure XC3 goes out of it's way to tell us that XC and XC2's worlds are like 1 and -1, that the moment they reunite they anhilate, they become 0, in that sense they destroy each other. The whole reason Origin existed is because they needed to recreate their worlds after becoming 0 again so that earth we see at the end is a recreation. Okay, XC2 hast the original earth but we've never seen the surface and the tree around the tower is new, it could all be a recreation too, based on data just like every creature living on it. If two planets were created, that doesn't mean the one at 0, the original one, couldn't be destroyed too, and we know Klaus' experiment was done during a space battle anyway. No retcon needed.
Luxin teaches video editing and compositing
But man, people really be clutching at straws huh
I think now suggesting x is retconned because of a rrailer is the same as suggesting thax Saga is connected (after we got X and Saga references at the end of FR) to the main games. I thin either is stupid. While i think X is easier to implement (3 games are a bit much) i just wait for more Xeno. I like watching theories but i dont think there is something real behind them until i play the game.
I'm sad, these Xenoblade games so far are a shadow of the writing and sophistication and human celebration that Xenogears was, I'm playing blade 1 ATM and it's writing is so simple and boring, the combat and world are amazing but everything in it is uninteresting. The closets thing I'll get to Gears is blade X and that has even LESS stellar writing.
haha I think you over analyze the trailer that is very likely just made by a nintendo employee instead of monolithsoft.
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@Luxin It is the Moon that explodes not thr Earth. The Earth is only consumed in thr flash of light.
I’m not gonna say anything definitive. I will believe that all of them are on the table as real possibilities.
Honestly the anti matter explosion explanation doesn’t seem like w definitive fate but what they believe happened as they were leaving as the ghosts were still falling and blowing up but the final explosion that did the earth in could easily be Klaus’ experiment as unless a gigantic ghost fell on the earth (seems it’s just troops nothing like a capital ship) I don’t see them being the true reason earth went missing (unless they shifted it through a different method that isn’t their anti matter cores)
And I know about the multi earth theory, that when Klaus’s experiment literally created multiple earth, which would include earth 2.0.
Because in Xenoblade 3 there was a cut scene showing multiple earths, like Xenoblade one (earth) = trying to merge with Xenoblade 2 (earth) and but after the events of Xenoblade 3 merged back into the original Earth creating Mira that might be absorbing other earths from the mini Multiverse that was seen in the cut scene.
What I mean by that is Xenoblade 1-3 and the new Xenoblade Saga 4 we’re absorbed and became Mira which took place billions of years ago, my theory is it absorbed earth 2.0, because the flashing explosion was actually absorption the same thing that happened to earth billions of years ago.
My theory is that Mira is a combination of five earths, merge together similar to what happened in Xenoblade 3, cause it would explain why their voices are being translated, also the ganglion mentioned they couldn’t leave the planet because they literally can’t. My theory is they’re inside of a pocket dimension.
And it seems history is just repeating itself , I think when earth 2.0 was destroyed, it was absorbed into Mira and I think the main cause is, because of Genesis, and it malfunctioned after in merged the original earth,Mira in the process.
My theory is that Mira has been absorbing , different earths, mainly cause it’s following its programming to absorb information of humanity and planets.
Now the creator of the entire series, plan is out from the very beginning, but had to change it, his original plan was to make six games, that exist in the same universe at different time periods.
That would be:
Xenoblade 1-3
Xeno Saga 1-3
Xeno gears
Xenoblade X
But he added more games to his plan , he put cameos, hints, and familiar references from all the games on purpose so fans can put it together.
About the original Xenoblade X was originally supposed to take place after Xenoblade one, but billions of years in the future, their references of heropon Rikki , the continents are made from the Bionus and Mechanus , a toy Manoto(laser sword) , they’re actually references of the Titans as well, and references of the other humanoid races in Xenoblade 2.
And the creator did this on purpose , he literally reuse aspects of X to add it to a bigger story it is reuse the asset already there to make the story connect to it on purpose, which has been done in multiple series of games.
You do not see the earth explode in the opening cutscene. What explodes is the Moon. Earth is engulfed in a giant flash of light. That flash of light can easily have been the effects of Klaus's experiment. The moon exploded in a backlash from the earth vanishing. Then Klaus recreated it in his pocket dimension, both pocket dimensions in fact.
And as far as the alien invasion goes, that's just a matter of people not knowing what as going on on the other side of the world.
Well, you say this, but Xenoblade 2 was totally a retcon. At best it drastically changed the context by adding a completely new, previously unmentioned antagonist who were blamed... for being 100% correct about Zanza being a self-centered asshole and a war being required to stop him from accidentally causing a mass extinction event. Twice.
But to be honest: the last two Xenoblade games have taught me that Xenoblade doesn't care much about continuity or consistency. Xenoblade 3 especially.
I have to disagree with the idea that you have to jump through some kind of hoops to put X in the same universe as the numbered games. All you have to do is to just have the history specifically about what happened to Earth be wrong. All it takes is for them to have seen a flash and then the earth wasn't there.
Fair, but, why not address the fact that the transition screen chose to start on Earth flashing white before expanding to the rest of the screen, rather than on the whole screen from the beginning, slowly fading to white as usually transition screens are?
So we don't see earth's fate. Nothing more to it. Pretty sure they showed it like in the second trailer in the original aka too early.
@ShadowSkyX sorry, but I did not understand your explanation. I don't know how any of that justify they picking a transition screen that is harder to do than one that would be easier and still do the same "job", fade the whole screen to white.
@@joebilly3719 For what it's worth, that type of transition isn't all that hard to do. I know it as a "bloom" transition, but different software might call it something else. It's a pretty common stock effect (just about any video editor will have some sort of "bloom" or "glow" effect), and it generally looks a lot better than just fading the entire screen white.
You will be SO wrong.