The Pro's Guide to Deloft-ing Your Irons 🏌️♂️
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2020
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Want to learn how to deloft your irons with a shaft lean?
This is something that we see golfers being OBSESSED WITH.
Tons of golfers are attempting this, but none of them are quite doing it RIGHT.
In this video, we're going to show you the correct way to deloft your irons with shaft lean! - Спорт
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Thanks for the kind words :)
Awesome video again, I’m going back years now for content you guys are helping my swing so much! Post Covid travel restrictions I’ll be in contact for a lesson for sure
Awesome video as usual. Congrats on 100k subscribers! I always knew you guys would get there!
I’ve been struggling with an open clubface all year and no video or drill fixed it. The sensation of the clubface facing away from target on the downswing has fixed this! Great video
Shaun and Mike, these kind of insights I why I decided to join your Elite program earlier this year. You have a way of explaining how things really work and how to incorporate that into your own swing.
I don’t do this correctly and this video in particular is really good for me and I am a 1 HCP player that on a good day carry my iron 3 around 240y - looking for more par 5s in two
Glad to see you doing a video on these topics and what the hands on in the impact zone couple with your gears data. Would like a video on how much the hips turn from impact to post. Does the hip turn slow or do they keep powering on vs how the arms and hands must be accelerating.
Recently discovered (and subscribed) to your channel and am currently blitzing viewing your library of videos. Have to say what a glorious gold mine of golfing knowledge. From a golfing addict in the UK 🇬🇧
Wow. Just found these guys. Among the best golf videos I've ever seen... and I've seen it all.
They have addressed nearly all of the swing problems I've EVER had. And addressed many issues that my buddies have. Just great stuff.
Great!! Thanks for the kind words!
Nice job fellas! So many different ways to accomplish great ball striking.
Great content as usual. Thanks.
You answered so many questions. Thank you.
Love it
Such a hot topic. As always, awesome vid guys. Thank you!
Thanks!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent and scientific analysis of club face angle. Thanks for the tips and help me understand the concept!!
youre welcome!
Brilliant video. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Love that drill with club face closed. Thanks guys. Brilliant as always.
Thanks for watching brother!
Great video once again - I’m really trying to get this shaft lean and was shanking a few think listening to you chaps am getting too much lean
Awesome video! I wonder starting the lead wrist twisting motion at the transition phase will also give you a more inside-out club path?
Nice work boys! 👊
I loved how clearly this was explained! I’ve been working on shaft lean forever now. My only fear with this is that I find I tend to hook the ball so that’s my biggest miss!! The worst part is that when I hook the ball the strike typically feels so good. So I’ve been feeling stuck trying not to hook the ball while still having a strong enough face to have an efficient strike. I find I flip my wrists in order to save the shot. For example my launch angle for my 7 iron tends to be up around 20 degrees which feels so inefficient. Compared to a crushed 7 iron at 16 degrees that hooks 🤦🏻♂️
I agree Nathan. I struggle with hooks as well. I'm not sure how to combat that either.
I like the reminder of this is just a moment in time.
Exactly...moving through impact is the goal....not to get to impact. :)
Great instruction. I especially like the hiding the club face from the target on the downswing. You mentioned that the left wrist rotates counter clockwise through the hitting zone in order to square it but does it also rotate down the wrist bows?
Very good video like a lot of others have said, very good information, my question is a lot of players play with the leading edge on there spine angle like Dustin Johnson for one are they still using there hands but in a different way, thanks.
You guys really have some good information on the shaft and hands position, but I have a question. What do you think about a smash bag and how should one use it? I have one but don't think I was using it correctly after watching this video.
Thanks guys! Do you have another video with the ‘stop sign’ move of the rh/club face? Also does that squaring so early happen in good driver/fairway swings too?
Awesome video. Keep it up.
All my iron shot push draws to the left and my hands are at or just behind the golf ball at impact. Nice video.
That's an eye opener for sure
hope you enjoyed it!
I’ve been watching your videos on shaft lean over the past 2 weeks. I still flip but Im hitting the ball way better just with the feeling of closing the club face starting at the top of the swing with the right hand. Grinding it out every day in my garage on the simulator. Great vids
It's been a year. Do you have shaft lean at impact? I've practically given up. 1 day someone will figure out how the help us amateurs get there. But I am not sure that day has come yet.
@@John-78 hahahaha! I do, learning a new swing. Slowly building it. Found an online coach which worked fantastic
@@mmkat99 Awesome. You have re-motivated me to keep trying! Thanks for the response.
for a similar but different drill 1 at time 12:50, my instructor had me hit straight shots to the right, so regular setup, regular foot alignment and regular ball position, but hit the ball straight 30 degrees to the right, so you kind of push your hands forward right through impact. So you get a sense of face control when you hit the ball. However, this was maybe in response to my default outside-in swing path, so it was also a drill to practice exaggerated inside-out swing path. Because these things are all connected, it's very difficult to diagnose yourself without a pro watching you.
Damm... I didn't know this. Thank you.
My heroes!!!
I approve. Used to come over the top and cast like most guys. The minute I figured out I need to use the forearms/hands to shut it I was able to reliably hit punch shots. Later learned Hogan knew about it already - although he was probably wrong about the set in of the motion. Great work guys. Unfortunately this source of solid instruction is an island in a sea of 'Sir' Nick Faldos, Peter Costis and the likes. A lot of golf 'professionals' are actually not educated enough to help anyone. Most are just vendors of popular golf concepts - that also happen to be decent golfers - and many borderline conartists.
Thank you for correctly saying that the weight on the toe resists rotation. I had an instructor tell me it increased rotation which as an engineer was frustrating to hear.
So a golf club tries to naturally close itself? Then why does more weight in the toe of a club encourage a fade?
Being a former golf pro, and engineer, I do realize that acceleration happens due to a force on a body and that body's resistance to move. Without the turning of the club back square, there would be no acceleration. Acceleration doesn't spontaneously happen.
The initial comment is correct, the reply to it should be taken with a grain of salt.
You should have passive hands on most shots. But that's because the swing happens so fast and the hands aren't strong enough, or consistent, to make accurate compensations.
Wow. Never knew this about turning the club face away from the target on the beginning of the backswing! So counterintuitive
Wow, super great content !!!
Maybe one question.. =)
In my new swing there is at the moment since 2-3 months a too closed club face with a light out to in path and an early extension after shaft parallel in downswing. The strike and impact is amazing (thx to your videos). The rest is in my opinion ok. Is the open club face i had over years in the past the reason for the minimal out to in path and early extension ? And will my swing automatically change (shaft lean, in to out path, etc.) now after i have changed to a closed face ?
Keep up your amazing work and greets from Germany =)
Great work lads - would love one of those foam wedges ♥️🙏🏻
The closest I’ve found to it are the foamnasium ones on Amazon. My physical therapy place had a bunch of wedges that would work great to so that’s probably a good place to look too😊
Martin Chuck "Tour Striker" site has a combo smash bag impact wedge available.
These guys should have way more views and subscribers
Thanks for the information. How much shaft lean would be normal on the LPGA tour.
Awesome as always gentlemen. All that I want from Santa this holiday season is some birdies and some AMG swag
Swag coming soon
At 9:45 in your opinion is the clubface rotation coming from left forearm supination, or left forearm supination + palmar flexion aka twisting the shaft anti clockwise, screwdriver move.
I guess my question is really ‘how much screwdriver is needed assuming a two knuckle left hand grip?’
Thanks for your brilliant videos
Would love to have my swing looked at by you guys!
If am not mistaken its about losing the cup in the left wrist if you have one to either flatten or bowing the left wrist in the down swing if am correct
Great video do you guys analyse putting as well will be good to see something on that as well thank you very much
Yessir more putting content coming soon!
At around 6:00 you talk about shaft lean and how it’s an opener if you don’t do anything with the hands this is what I’ve been doing the last 4 years. Distance killer!!! Thanks something else to work on
I thought me leaning my hands forward was wrong but my shots have never been straighter and more loft as well. Im over the moon thanks. Still putting it all together.
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This is totally different skool of taught compared to certain UA-cam swing coach. Very interesting. I buy what these two dudes advocated.
Where’d y’all get that wedge training aid? 👀
Just like a superstar
Great lesson!!! Would having a high MOI iron hinder one's ability to de-loft the launch angle? How about regular vs. x-stiff flex?
No to all of that.
Hello from France and congratulations for your great job ! Do you please think that a god drill could be to focus on having the hands above the left/lead foot at impact ?
Sure! we have lots of impact videos on our channel. one is callled "impact first" Have you seen it?
Would like free video on compression !
Great video. The current 'in' swing theory of leaving the hands alone at the top of the swing and simply rotating the hips and shoulders to square the face is somewhat misleading. I think it helps prevent early extension (which most players have) but it still requires hand movement. You'd never generate much clubhead speed with only body rotation.
What do you guys think about the drill where you put a 2nd ball a few inches behind the 1st ball, and then hit while avoiding the 2nd ball?
I have a really high dynamic loft and I’ve seen many have success decreasing it with this drill.
Thanks. Sounds too simple, but i will give it a try!
Give it a try and let us know how it goes!!
That is why it is so important to have a strong grip as apposed to a weak grip
String, weak, and neutral all can work. We’d recommend starting with at least neutral for most golfers. Weak is tough without the skills to make it work.
Tried these drills and struggling with either the club face closed or open at impact and cannot consistently deliver it square. Do you have any drills to help with this?
Could you or should you start supinating the left arm in the downswing?
Congrats on 100k
Thanks brother! You were one of the early ones🙏
Great instruction thanks guys. Just for clarity Mike, the one minute hand on the clock at 6 would be 36 degrees.
The minute hand at... one minute = 6 degrees, six minutes = 36 degrees, and at 6 = 180 degrees 🤓
Is it rhe left hand doing most of the work at squaring the clubface and creating shaft lean at this point in time or more of a right hand and forearm effort doing most of the work
WOW!
I have a buddy that ACTUALLY has that much shaft lean as they show against the mat in the beginning. We see the slow mo replay on simulator after each shot.
Would like free video on compression
I'm a stay back flipper. Divot is 45 degrees right, ball starts at target and goes left. Well I was. I'm trying to unlearn what I thought was the golf swing.
Far above the average coaching we see on the internet. Wish you were in NY/NJ/CT area
Thanks so much. Come to Atlanta anytime
Wouldn't shaft lean be dependent on the clubs you are using? For instance the Rick Fowler irons have almost no offset, but beginner irons have tons of offset. Shouldn't those beginner irons have more shaft lean because of that offset?
The importance of the hands has been lost recently, but all great players did signify the importance they have in the swing. Such as hogans three right hands or Nicklaus not being able to release the club soon enough.
intention is key as opposed to forcing unnatural patterns, good visual guys.
Thanks!!
My problem is that I have a shut face but still flip at the ball and thus get an over-draw / hook. Any tips?
In the closed face drill it looks like the hands are over leading the clubhead. I thought we were trying not to do that to get shaft lean?
How do you get pros to come in? Do you just email them and have them fly in the city you are in just to hit some balls with the equipment?
Do you pay them or do they pay you? I’ve been trying to think bout it and I don’t know.
Love your stuff but doesn’t that drill encourage an out to in hand path?
No sir
Hi guys, I slice my driver and draw the rest of the clubs, could it be possible that I stand up to straight with the driver causing a open club face?
Most teachers suggest hitting a draw thru setup and the relation between the club face and swing path because its too difficult to time a rotation of the clubhead at just the right time, given the speed of the downswing. I wonder if you are measuring the momentum of the arm that results from its position at the top, the rotation of the body, etc. Maybe there is a thin line between aiming the club and actively manipulating it. Supposedly the arms spring off the chest during the downswing, and the body does not have to rotate with the arm locked to in order it to affect it. I really like your approach, but wonder if measuring will always reveal the cause of a movement or the swingers intention and method. Thanks.
We measure intention every day. It’s at the heart of what we do. But intent is just the starting point and can’t overcome poor movements. For every player who’s ever swung a club, the club face is closing rapidly through impact. Where it starts at address can’t be maintained during the swing. It’s also why the correct concepts are so important when you wait on your swing.
Love your guys content. But I had a question, if I start to turn the face over and pull it, am I using my body too much in this drill?
Can’t say without seeing your swing, but you could very well be doing that without enough side tilt to offset the turn.
Where can I get my swing looked at by you guys?
@@tobinfrost9447 our online lessons would be the most direct way athleticmotiongolf.com/ilessons/. If the bookings are full, put your name on the list and we'll notify you as soon as spots open up.
Being an engineer, I really appreciate your scientific explanations of the golf swing motions (de-lofting in this case). I finally understand the right combination of body and hand rotation for an accurate shot. Another great video. Thank you!!
Just for clarification, I play with a strong grip and at the back line in the downswing my face is slightly closed and at club parallel in the delivery position the face is still slightly closed. At this point, from watching this video I still have work to do in order to get the face square, correct?
Yes if you kept it in that position to impact you would shank every shot
What if your inability to lean the shaft comes from your arms being a foot behind you at shaft parallel vs an open face?
the you gotta get the right arm straightening out of the top vs side bending to lower the club.
Agree with most of the video (and I have paid for your training in the past) but you can't simply compare the turning of the body in the shoulder plane with the closing of the clubface in the release plane.
In fact, it is that very difference between two planes (the club plane and the hand plane - which is more vertical) that causes a torque to develop on any "toe-weighted" club.
So whilst good golfers do have to tweak the closing of the clubface (through "educating" their wrists), most of it happens due to physics.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. We have never compared the turning of the body in the shoulder plane with the closing of the club in the release plane. One, what is a release plane, and two, the body doesn’t turn on the shoulder plane. It turns on multiple planes. Most if “it” does not happen through physics. You are ignoring the torque that EVERY golf applies to the club, and the fact that the club does not twist evenly at both ends. I club face would square if the golfer did nothing and just relied on physics.
Why not set up at address with slightly closed face, slightly leaning shaft , then you would not have to worry about rotating arms to correct degree?
So why don't you start with the clubface shut at setup to give you a head start on getting it closed the 20 degrees or so that you can't get just through body rotation with relatively passive hands? It may look strange but it would seem like it would be easier to master than trying to learn how to time the closing of the face with the small muscles of the forearms and hands.
Because you'll hit it more crooked and way shorter.
Hmm... clubface doesn't care where it's been only where it ends up at impact. Zinger played very well with a very strong grip (closed clubface relative to back of left hand) and a hit and hold release - very similar to the first part of your clubface awareness drill
@@edkrueger7635 Looking at outliers like Paul , David Duval and DJ are not the best to look at. They are freaks as to joint mobility and how they move
How do you hit a full wedge shot without skying it?
I feel as if the ball is rolling up the face of the club.
I’d recommend that you stop trying to hit full wedge shots. That’s often going to be the result and it’s never necessary to take full rips with a wedge.
I love your videos!
But i.m.h.o rooted in simple physics there is no need for any motor cortex driven manipulations of the clubface - those dramatic rates of change in club face orientation can happen automatically (explanation below) - so it is factually true that said Player uses the body - more precisely the chest - to have the clubface connect with the ball either slightly closed or open depending on intended ball flight.
Nerd mode ON: - Only read, if you believe in the stuff Newton came up with!
You are measuring the rates of changes of the hinges in the system (human anatomy) - all is good so far.
We are talking kinematics still as in seeing what changes happen in the systems variables (wrists, bones, club) over time.
But talking about forces now there are two very important things to acknowledge (here comes Newton):
1.) as long as there is torque applied to the upper left arm through its contact with the chest, the arm club unit is in a force equilibrium.
Since we are talking about a rotating system: all parts (shoulders/ wrists/ clubhead) rotate at the same torque dependend rate at different radial velocities.
2.) As soon as the torque stops (the chest has reached it's intended "destination" in the kinetic chain) the arm club unit keeps moving as any mass in motion does. Eventually the right arm has reached it's maximum length - the anatomy of the arms and wrists only allow for a very specific "folding" to happen - since both hands grip a stick - that is the "rolled over" postion with both arms straight with the right on top of the left. That is when we have a new force equilibrium building - this time through decelleration - caused by the right shoulder pulling the chest and ultimately the body into the finish position against the resistance of ligaments and muscles.
Now back to the kinematics of the wrists and clubface: the rates of change in the degrees of freedom of the arm/wrists/club unit you measure will be governed by the external forces (the weight of the arms and the club pulling and thus rotating the arms and wrists) and NOT neccessarily by applying forces to the club using muscle activity!
Nerd mode OFF
Why did modern golf instruction, well at least instruction over the last three years or so, move away from learning how to use your hands? Yes, like Shaun mentions in the video, professionals talk about not thinking about what their hands are doing during the swing, especially around impact. However, what many modern teachers don’t talk about is professionals and good amateur golfers learned to first use their hands to square the face. I remember reading books from Toski and Flick that talk about the need for golfers to first get skilled using the hands. I don’t think guys like Flick and Toski get the credit they deserve for their teachings.
I have to say that I was learning from a Pro who taught the idea of getting both knees to go external in the downswing. I was watching an old video of my swing doing this and, not only did it look ridiculous to me, I was so much on my back foot as I was nearing impact the only chance I had to hit a solid shot was to flip and hope to god I timed it right. 😧 also, I was told keep my hands passive at the top. As I learned from you guys this is a horrible idea.
Shawn, may this the reason I am so flippy and duck hook?
An open clubface and shaft lean have nothing to do with shanking. A shank is a ball hitting the hosel. It is caused by the club moving too close to the ball at impact. The clubface can be open or closed.
I know you guys at AMG have seen the numerous internet golf instructors who really push for the idea that body rotation is a better way to square the clubface without the need for "timing." Not to mention tv commentators who partly it. I don't expect you to call them out by name, but you have evidence based
proof what they say is bull. I'd love to see a debate on the topic.
If you look at just the fastest rotators on Tour, they have roughly 15 degrees of body rotation from shaft parallel to impact. The club face during that same time rotates 3 times that amount… even for a player like DJ. There shouldn’t be any debate if you include the facts 🤓. If you include opinions, ideas, theories, etc then the debate would never end 😵💫
These 17 min just felt like 3
I have been trying to get shaft lean and square the club face by simply turning my body for the last 30 years thanks to David Ledbetter. I have never played good golf slicing no power hitting the ground before the ball. Thanks to AMG and this very very important eye opening tip. I am finally able to compress the ball with shaft lean. NO more PASSIVE HANDS for me. WORST 30 YEAR OLD ADVICE EVER. UGGH
wow!! Glad to know this video helped you!!! :)
What I don’t understand is people talking about how a flippy release is bad then. Surely all the best golfers are flipping no one is holding that face?
They throw the snot out of it. No holding at all. How and why so many golfers trying to hold angles through impact is a black mark on our profession 🤦♂️
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks for replying! I was just at the range and hating my face on look on video with no shaft lean. I tried to get my body over and get that shaft leaning but it’s clear from this video I was going about it completely the wrong way. Completely over the top and the good strikes were pulls.
@@J_B17 it’s not easy at first, but force yourself to slow down (under 45 mph) when you’re working on making a change. You’ll need to go slow enough to “keep up” with what you’re changing. Once you can do it at that speed without doing it wrong, you’ll move faster by way of making better and better movements.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thank you very much for the advice! Do you guys offer video analysis on swings?
@@J_B17 we do through our AMG+ membership on our website. Be happy to provide a link if you like.
Why not just grip it and hit it like that? Is that not just a strong grip, then you would not have to roll the forearms so much, why make it complicated? Please explain
If I have said it once, I have said it three time... that wedge board is a sexual position aid, or something, it’s on late at night on golf channel and in the movie Burn After Reading.” I’ll accept my prize now thanks guys
Sorry guys. While everything is correct as you explain it, it is just too much to remember.
A lot of timing involved here, unless you hit hundreds of balls a day, good luck.