Jim Cornette Talks With Jon Langmead About His New Book Ballyhoo! and Wrestling History
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- From Episode 524 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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I’m waiting for the film about Brian Alvarez’s personal relationship with Dave Meltzer;
“Mark And Me”
I prefer Cornette's book about his dealing with Meltzer entitled "The Egg & I."
They made it years ago, it's called "Dumb And Dumber".
@Kratox23 🤣
“The man inside me”
@@jodibishop3302I think they’ve made various films about that across the internet
My favorite topics of discussion on the Experience will always be historical wrestling. That and whenever Jim decides to bury Tim Horner.
Brian, would you want to ask a question? 57 minutes later 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Jim is the best!!!😂😂😂😂
The video I've been waiting for. My copy just came in the mail.
Glad we got a break in wrestlers(and CEOs) doing dumb sh*t so we can finally get back to hearing some good wrasslin talk.
Thanks Corrnette I'm looking forward to reading it.
I mean Thez wasn't wrong. Candito should have been looking closer to home though.
I was thinking the same thing. Consider why Candido got the NWA title in the first place. Shane Douglas and Paul Heyman screwed over Corraluzzo and the NWA when Douglas won the vacant title and threw it down, proclaiming himself the ECW World Heavyweight Champion.
Nobody interviews Corny like Corny.
Jim really is good at it
Was I alone in forgetting Brian was even there 🤣🤣
Who?
@@Tomahawk588 Jim Neidhart?
"Like he wasn't even there!!"
These are the best segments
@@Tomahawk588 Brian. He experienced most of the ep the same I did lol
Another book that I think everyone should check out is Fall Guys by Marcus Griffin in 1937. It's the first "insider" book on wrestling ever written.
It's on my list. I know Jim has mentioned other books. I would like to grab a few. Any suggestions?
@@gregweisal5542 Sure. The Strangler Lewis Biography by Steve Yohe is a great companion book to Falls Guys, as it provides an alternative to the Toots Mondt camp and really pushes Jim Londos. Shooters by Jonathan Snowden, The 50 Greatest Pro Wrestlers by Larry Matysik, and the NWA history book by Tim Hornbaker are great reads too.
Id like to read Gary Harts book but it is out of print and selling for ridiculous prices. Maybe if Jim could plug it enough to generate interest the publishers might re-print it
@@johnkolko5199 I've got a PDF of it somewhere
@@gregweisal5542Whatever Happened to Gorgeous George. Great book, can't remember the author.
The part about 20s and 30s crowds being smart to the business but enthusiastic about how well it could be put over reminds me that the same era was the golden age of magicians. Thurston, Blackstone and Houdini (happy birthday, Harry) were like the Sonnenburgs and Lewises of their industry. Everyone knew the girl didn't get sawed in half, but the illusion was delicious.
Kayfabe has never gone away; it's just that everyone is in on it now.
When Ric Flair had his "heart attack" in WCW. People without the internet thought Bischoff might be forcing Ric to wrestle with a bad heart. There are still people today that think Owen Hart meant to break Steve Austin's neck out of loyalty to Bret.
@@TruculentSheep Which by definition kind of means it's gone away. It's a lot harder to enjoy a magic show when the magician is winking at you real time and taking you out of things. For instance, I love the vibe Julia Hart gives off in ring up to the point where at the media scrum after it's like it was never done and they're going on about "blah blah I appreciate getting this belt, etc.." If the Undertaker did the same immediately after those casket matches , he'd never have gotten the vibe over at all. Everyone knows it's not real, but it's nice to be able to sit down and suspend disbelief for a bit. You can't really do that now because it's shoved in your face immediately that it's not 'real'. Once that's done, it's a lot harder to enjoy a huge amount of the talent out there now as anything more than stunt men/women..and if I want to see stunts, I'll go watch a movie. My two cents is...wrestling was never about the moves..it was about the magic. We've all always been in on it, but there was a time where we didn't need to get the real story behind every person in the ring. And sad to say, but I can't really see that actually happening in today's media landscape, there's no room for people not knowing quite how a thing was done..everyone is on twitter after explaining it ad nauseum. I'm in the minority, now, I'm sure..and I'm glad people are still finding enjoyment in it, but it's not really for me anymore.
@@mattwhite4302 My friend, magicians are ALWAYS giving us an ironic wink, and that's before Penn and Teller enter the equation.
@@chuckles9767 There's plenty of spectacle left if you choose to look for it. Not being real has never hurt Santa Claus or Batman.
Somebody should write a TV show about wrestling in the 1930s. These unscrupulous business men had to have been butting heads with local mobsters and hoodlums, a bunch of gristled World War 1 veterans, as they mentioned the sports writers for the papers, there's a lot of fodder here for something that maybe has the feel of Boardwalk Empire, with a twist of Carnevale. It's historical enough that we don't have to pay any kinda lipservice to modern pro-wrestling and you can just tell a dirty sweaty booze soaked prohibition era story about promoters and performers of a fixed sport, traveling around wheeling and dealing with gangsters, evading the law, and feuding with rival promoters, while filling makeshift stadiums with thousands of gullible rubes.
Huey Long, “the Kingfish”, was governor of Louisiana, not a senator from New York. The classic book and film, All the Kings Men, was based on him.
Also a senator
Thumbnail would be a great t shirt
Yes an old time wrestling card full of cornyisms... see the amazing will ostrich engaged in fisticuffs with plumber moxley in the best of 7 falls. .. also... lady wrasslin and midgets.
Interesting interview. Leads me to wonder how and when wrestling expanded to Japan, Mexico, and Europe.
Hackenschmidt losing to Gotch twice motivated wrestlers/promoters in Europe to favour more tightly controlled outcomes from the 1910s. EMLL formed in the 1930s so that Mexican wrestlers/promoters could have more shows without having to rely on American wrestlers passing through. Rikidozan and his American opponents helped popularize wrestling in Japan during the 1950s.
I mean wrestling started in Europe so yeah it was there for a while. There were wrestlers in Japan but it wasn't that big, especially when you compare it to the Rikidozan era, so the boom started when he got big, and when it comes to Mexico, it really started getting big in 30s because EMLL (today CMLL), which formed in 1932, before that idk, there must've been a wrestling scene cuz if it wasn't there i don't think that EMLL would've been formed without it, but I'm not too familiar with early lucha libre so i don't want it to seem like I know a lot about it
God bless momma Cornette.We all love her.
@42:00 Translation: We've been robbed of more interesting finishes and angles because promoters have almost all the control.
Love the old school wrestling 😊
If Jim managed The Vaudevillians
The gimmick was SO underrated. If done right, that's a helluva character imo
@@kyreepilgrim37663 people beside me thought the Vaudevillans were awesome!
@@kyreepilgrim3766 Indeed
I was looking for this comment.
@@kyreepilgrim3766they were over too by means of heel heat. Their entrance, graphics and all their themes(their most recent before Aiden English took it as his Mad King gimmick, pre Rusev), criminally underrated.
My copy showed up a couple of days ago. When they first mentioned it about a month ago, I knew I needed it!
This is finally on Audible and it’s great!
Guys, don't worry. Huey Long wasn't there. It was a stunt Huey. Honest, that's what happened...*lights cigar with a $100 bill*
Love to hear true pro wrestling history.
Tremendous segment. Five stars. Could listen to this stuff all day.
I bought the book based on this interview and it was a great read. Learned a lot. Thanks y'all
1:01:57 "what do you have Brian?"
"OH BOY NOWS MY CHANCE TO HUMBLE BRAG ABOUT ALL THE WRESTLING ARTIFACTS MY RICH FATHER BOUGHT ME!!"
Several mentions here of what a great interviewer Jim is and it reminds me of when Jim would guest on terrestrial radio to promote house shows for NWA/WCW in the 80s and how the DJs would say how Jim could easily be a DJ himself because he was such a good interviewee. Lo and behold 40 some odd years later the platform might have changed but Jim has proven he remains a great interviewer, interviewee and pop culture figure and not just in wrestling.
This interview was so interesting I ordered a copy of the book right after listening. I'd love to hear more segments about this era and way less AEW coverage on the program.
55:50 It's been said that Reggie Lazowski, "Crusher", never smartened up his mother to the wrestling business😮
You never smartened up anyone back then. Even family, unless they were already smart.
To be a fly on the wall in the early days of wrestling. To see those matches. Id love to see the early days of boxing and baseball also. Someone build a time machine STAT!!
More of this classic shit. I love hearing Corny rant about modern wrestling too, I mean I'm human. But boy he shines in these classic segments.
Love the art, Corny as Von Kaiser
Fantastic! Personally I'd love a detailed book about pre-Hulkamania W/WWF. Rogers to Sheiky Baby.
I wonder, what is known of the original "Strangler Lewis". Evan "Strangler" Lewis was a pioneer of wrestling from the 1880's-90's, ask Tim Hornbaker.
I know his main rival was the Terrible Turk.
Classic wrestling taking it all the way back
I love it when jim and brian talk about classic wrestling it's better than the current shit except WWE they're on fire while AEW is ice cold.
Im going to pick this book up. I know Jim and brian have mentioned other books but does anyone in the cult have a list of best insider wrestling books? Thank you
Don't know if any copies exist now but Whatever Happened to Gorgeous George was a great read on the early days.
It's on ebay cheap...I have a copy.
Please do an audio version of this book. I really wish Hornbaker would do audio versions of his books.
I held off listening to this until an audiobook came out, and I wasn’t sure if it would be Langmead or not (it’s not) doing it, but the audiobook is on audible now if you haven’t found out! It’s great.
Great stuff!!!
I hope the price becomes more reasonable. $30 for an ebook is high.
Who would you like most to hear Jim Cornette interview?
Trump. Jim deserves his chance
Vince Mcmahon
Russo cuz da argument/fight would b epic 😂
CM Punk
Great interview, but does anyone else this the author sounds like a more coherent Tony Khan lol? They have same tone
Yes they do lol
Was thinking the same thing. I'm assuming that the author doesn't have a coke addiction.
Ruffy Silverstein😮
Jim looking all buff 💪 hes suits the tache
It was nice not hearing Brian Last
The irony I took away from this was as much as Jim and Brian hate Vince’s version of Wrestling,its more like the original pioneer wrestling than anything else. The Wrestlers are larger than life characters who are somewhat like a traveling carnival. Even down to telling the ppl its worked but banking on them paying to see it to notice whats real and what isnt. An element of wrestling always has been and always will be…Cartoony.
@@chuckles9767 lucha used to look a lot more legitimate too, it was based on the Greco-Roman wrestling style
This guy sounds just like Tony Khan.
Haha He does!
Thanks guys.
Tony Khan if he was a well-adjusted adult, knew something about the history of wrestling, capable of writing books and not permanently off his tits on drugs
I wonder if Jim ever thought about weight training and taking some wrestling classes to transition into being an in ring heel. Because he looked pretty good taking bumps.
I think he knew managing was his best shot. And if he transitioned into a wrestler it would have kind of killed his gimmick of a spoiled, chicken shit Heel
He said in his early shoot in 2000 “everybody wants to be a wrestler, but I couldn’t see myself getting the shit kicked out of me on a regular basis” so he just wanted to be around and manage or be a ring announcer.
I do think wrestling is in the biggest boom period now SOLELY for the internet and widespread appeal. India loves wwe modern and previous.
Of course, the 1910s and 1920s could have been bigger with internet. Interesting listen as a younger fan
Wrestling is in a ‘boom’ right now compared to ten years ago, but it’s still very weak historically. In the territories era even, cities around the country sold out venues every week, regional promotions got more viewers on local tv than AEW does on national tv. WWE does a good sized show in one town per week, at most, other than that wrestling is dead.
I’m sorry but the only people that would say that are the ones that weren’t around during the real Boom Periods
He really to hook up with Ken Burns and do a series on this or biopic.
him and tony smoking the same stuff.
Please for the love of God talk classic wrestling more
Jon Lamgmead doesn't exist listen close that's Tony Khan.
he said "characters" so f him
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Nobody gives a fuck.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_HavasomaYou cared enough to comment.
@@monabear7287 Blow me. Trash.