If I HAD to Pick One?... Jim Cornette, Vince Russo or Eric Bischoff as a Booking Partner
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If I Had to Pick One?... Jim Cornette, Vince Russo or Eric Bischoff as a Booking Partner
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Hire Cornette, fire Russo, bring in Bischoff for a quick pop
Hire Cornette, fire Bischoff, bring in Russo for a quick pop
Bischoff has no ideas, Bro. Hows he gonna get you a quick pop?
@Nostalgia9478 Eric Bishoff is slightly more likable than Vince Russo, but not by much
@@sawtooth808 Whats that got to do with booking for a quick pop, Bro?? You need ideas to get a quick pop. Being likable isnt gonna pop a rating. lol
@@Nostalgia9478 You defend Russo, you talk like Russo... Vince is that you?
Easily hire Cornette, bring Bischoff as an on-screen authority figure, and never let Russo, touch a single thing in your promotion ever.
"you can only get called 'hey bro' so many times in a day" 😂😂😂😂😂
that actually made me laugh
Hey bro.
Bro …!
Dutch's quote there is so relatable nowadays, not even because of Vince Russo ... bro
I agree being called bro all the time is annoying lol 🤣
I'd choose Jim just to tell me how much my booking sucks.
It would keep your level headed because you keep trying to get his approval lol.
😂😂😂
And with the most entertaining, creative verbiage!
Cornette is the only one that cares about believable wrestling
yeah
Behind the times. You mean the times when wrestling thrived in many regions and loads of wrestlers and promotions made tons of $$$$
Like when Jim proposition unknown talent to have sex with his wife or not for pushes? Oh didn't hear that one look it up u people hide in corners while the few of u who do have a woman watch her get pegged
Problem is that Cornette would book a show like it's still the early 90s plus his insane temper will get him fired within a week.
@@Dragonwolfworm but it would be better than aew
Could you imagine Russo doing a promo with Matt Riddle?
Bro off bro
@@smarkslowplay3512 lmao sounds like that South Park episode “Broadway Brodown”. Randy Marsh argues with some dude and all they do is call each other bro for at least a minute….then suddenly shake hands and go to a bar to drink with friends 🤣
@@markcampbell2702😂 I live that episode. Randy tries to write his own play but doesn't under the nuanced approach he has to take.
You wanna go brah?
Let's go brah!
Russo doesn’t say bro in his promos
What you do is, hire Bischoff to book Cornette vs Russo.
Now HERE is an example of someone who gets it
I still wanna see Russo vs Cornette legit fight not a staged real one though lol 🤣 book it bro
@@abelaldrich7831 Sure, but Cornette has to be searched for firearms first. It has to be fair.
Perfect! I'd pay good money to see that!
Gice Cornette his bat or racket
That’s a long video to say “Corny. Next question” 😂
2011-2012 TNA had the Beer Money break up, the Roode World title run, the Austin Aries title run, upgraded production, and better backstage promos. That time period was probably the last time TNA was good under Dixie Carter's ownership.
I don't think that Cornette is necessarily behind the times in booking philosophy, I just thinks he places an emphasis on the fundamental aspects of wrestling, like having a clear babyface and heel, realism in ring work, organic sounding promos, etc. Most of the things have gotten lost over the last 20 years and things that the top guys in the WWE are doing now.
Where he veers off is on his takes for specific talents, marketing, advertising, and other business aspects of running a big national company. He could book, but you wouldn't want him running the actual company.
Exactly. There needs to be a hero, a villain, and a compelling reason to watch. The hero can be a little complicated but the villain really can't. Keep the story pretty simple and kinda clean. You might think his ideas are dated but you can modernize a story. He's not wanting to bring Stan and Dennis back as another version of the midnight express. And apparently he can't pick good people to help run or manage a business. Keep him insulated from everybody else, let him book the shows and take his input here and there for the business side, and see what happens.
Cornette is right like everyone says.
At least Cornette would have separate dressing rooms for heels and babyfaces and keep as much kayfabe as possible in 2024.
Lol only old farts that hold onto the past give a shit about seperate locker rooms as long as they aren't completely shitting on the storyline by going online or posting pics with there opponent together there is no need to keep a blatant charade when even the fans know it's all fabricated.
@@jimmysruffledNah, I disagree, the more real they make it seem the better. With your argument why have angles at all?
@@exs10s that..makes little to no sense friend also I'd assume yet again because we already know it's fake there is no tension against heel vs the Babyface and since as far as I'm aware fans aren't behind the curtain wtf would be the purpose of separating one another for the sake of "kayfabe" when noone is there to see the illusion. At best seperate if its for a backstage scene but kayfabe is most definitely dead along with old worn out tactics like this.
I am a regular listener to both podcasts and thus know what an absolute genius of the industry he is.
But I'll take Vince Russo over him any day, provided I got along with Vince Russo. Because that hot headed nature is going to be a major stumbling block with regards to talent and managing the business alongside him.
Yes he has the knowledge, but I think he would be a demon to work with.
I love not knowing if the kayfabe is real or fake. Knowing there might be some element of tension between the opponents is genius.
Do you remember Corny "fixing" aew matches a few years ago on his podcast? I remember that bit where he suggested they should play off something that looked like a dangerous botch like it was a heel intentionally not caring about the opponent had potential for real drama... But what did they do? They ignored it. We could still be talking about whether that angle/injury was real or not.
It’s gotta be Jim Cornette … ! By far the most knowledgeable and experienced…!
I take Russo over corny anyday of the week. The new generation era was whack.
The only one of the 3 who's done sod all as a booker.
Fired from every company he's ever worked for and never drew a dime as a booker.
Corny is obviously the better booker, BUT... if you have him do a one-off appearance in, say, AEW, he'll boost that one segment of Dynamite to back over 1 million views. So that would be interesting.
A Cornette heel stable where he tries to prove 'non-flippy' guys are more effective would be fun. He could recruit Brian Cage and berate him every time he flips. Damn i might book this in my fantasy fed now that i've thought of it😅
I've always dreamt of that aswell,and it could actually happen One day,but not until the Hardly Boyz are there.@@hottakehylas
@hottakehylas If Cornette and the locker room were able to put business over their feelings then yeah, that could work. The problem is, no one can do that. Cornette would be a fuming rage machine backstage and 80% of the roster hates him too much to ever consider working with him. The days of putting your issues aside in order to do business are long gone unfortunately.
Tony would need several trucks of his dad's money to even get close to being able to make that happen cause Cornette wouldn't want to put his blood pressure through that unless he was making enough money to buy the whole of Louisiana. .
Cornette is a f'ng joke as a booker, but okay.
Russo = Strippers and Midgets
Bischoff = Hogan goes over everytime on every match.
Cornette = Real Wrestlers
You can only get called "Hey bro" so many times in a day.
Russo: "Hey, bro! Wanna bet, bro?"
As much as I'd hate to admit it, it'd have to be Cornette to book, Eric to pop and Russo to keep ignoring the existence of.
Corny all way. There's no debate about that. He's a walking Thesaurus of wrestling knowledge. Russo is all about Jerry springer crash tv booking no long term storylines just nothing. Absolutely nothing makes sense. Eric could be good but too politics behind the scenes. Corny can be straight forward, get on anyone's nerves as quite a mouthful but he's like the Nostradamus of wrestling. Everything he said about Aew, Tony and the miniature guild except few notable examples stands true.
Some of those few notable exceptions still have time to come to fruition.
I think Dutch is losing his marbles. Corney has been out of the business over ten years and is still sharper than Bishoff or Russo ever were even at their peak. For that matter, sharper than Dutch ever was at his peak. Just look at the video, the work and even the ability to break down angles or dream up new ones. Cornette is top of the tree talent, just like Heyman.
Dear God I'd love to see those two go at it for one last run. It'd be one for the ages.
@@TheChodax well said! Cornette and Heyman having one last run would be immortal. Today’s wrestling “writers “ could learn about storytelling in wrestling. Something AEW seems to be devoid of.
Cornette was never able to increase viewership or attendances for that matter with his booking throughout the 90's. In fact it was his booking that allowed Bischoff to overtake WWF for the 83 consecutive weeks. It wasn't until Cornette was off the booking team that WWF recovered.
To say nothing was long-term and nothing made sense with Russo's writing is such a played out stereotype. The Ministry of Darkness storyline started in October 1998 and lasted until June 1999. Austin vs McMahon started in September 1997 and its first run ended in July 1999. DX started in September 1997 and ended at WrestleMania 15. Mark Henry and Chyna started in the summer of 1998 and played out into January 1999.
The only major nonsensical element from those angles was the Higher Power being McMahon, but that was McMahon's decision to at the last minute override Russo, who wanted it to be Chris Daniels.
Cornette booked Smoky Mountain to closure and the WWF during TL Hopper. He’s vastly overrated as a booker.
Cornette is the most based man in wrestling and that’s fact
I'm not sure you understand what "based" means.
the reason cornette is so passionate is because he cares so much and loves wrestling so much thats why he gets mad when its done wrong its because he cares so fking much
True. Mantel is right wing.
Jim Cornette Votes Democratic Ballot in the U.S.
Jim Cornette is the best Booker.
Cornette as a booker, Russo as a ratings mover, Bischoff fired.
Cornette is the only one of them who knows wrestling. And he did well in OVW.
Yeah Cornette is a no-brainer.😂
Cornette is going to fight with talent.
@@petersonofleo11 only if the talent are a bunch of dip 💩 s
Idk I love Cornette but I would have to go with Russo because I want the show to be as entertaining as possible I'm a Attitude Era guy I like the entertaining storylines and matches and the larger than life characters Cornette don't like any of that he wants wrestling to be presented like a real sport so no special matches no entertaining segments no hot women just in ring mat work he tried to do his NWA stuff in the Attitude Era and it didn't work the crowd didn't react to any of it he was getting no response from the crowd I would want to bring back that Jerry Springer south park type of culture back into wrestling like the late 90s and early 2000s so Russo would be that guy to help boost the ratings and bring in more causals.
@@tyyrreekk9005 Russo understands that the hardcore marks will tune in anyway even if they hate the show that is how miserable they are. Russo at least likes to give a purpose to the wrestlers that appear on tv it doesn't matter if they are from the lower card. Casual fans love characters and they only care of in ring work if they are invested on the characters. Cornette can pretend that pro wrestling is a real sport all he wants but he is just on the really small minority of people that think that.
@@petersonofleo11 Exactly
Cornette would be my partner, Eric would be a on screen character, Russo is he needs the money I'd Hire him to clean the joint up after the show .. janitor would be his position
Well he is shitstain for a reason
I would just lock Russo in a room with Cornette and give Jim his racket.
cornette is the obvious choice but he wouldnt be partner hed be doing the entire damn thing thats how he works
I'd have to hire Cornette, he will say everything sucks, BUT he isn't dumb. If you gotta hire someone, I'd take a year of cornette shitting on everything but also making a good point half the time over either of the other two
Definitely Cornette.. Old school way is still the most effective
Easily Jim cornette EASILY
Should have just asked ok if you're trying to make money running a wrestling company who do you want?
Cornette and ya know it
Dutch knows Cornette is the answer.
Russo on his own just look at TNA, even the name was a rib.
Bischoff in his hayday was good but there's no other evidence to suggest Eric could do it.
Plus I'd take Cornette just to him to cuss me out and motherf*** me 😂 Corny promos are incredible
Cornette hands down!!!
how is this even a question
cult of cornette for life
hes worth it
Cornette is the only one of the 3 that's done sod all as a booker.
Corny is the man, fire the other two and hire Dutch.
Russo and Cornette had been forced to work together at TNA. Based on what happened, it's clear you got to keep Russo insulated.
First, keep multiple competent personalities between him and Cornette. Otherwise, you're looking to have a murder scandal.
Second, Russo's contract has to tie him down to JUST pitch the wild card ideas. Meanwhile, it has to be made clear to the boss that he will brown nose to be in charge and to throw co-workers under the bus. Therefore, the boss has to be aware of Russo's history, which shows a lack of aptitude for being in that spot.
Third, no guarantees! Russo will be a bitch if he feels trapped and is not above walking out if he can’t have it his way.
Happened twice 😂
@@MedroffYT, if it was up to Russo, it'd happened a third time 😂😂
@MultiBlack17 jim would be incarcerated right now if he had to work another hour with Vince Russo, aka shitstain, aka arch bishop of talentbury, aka buggy whipped armed illiterate jackass.
This is even a question?!!?! Corny is a definite hire. Bischoff is the quick pop. Russo is a definite fire. Corny and Dutch are from the same generation. Wow!!!
Ahh, how fantasy football gets really hard when you know the players in person. 😀
I'd pick Corny -- easily.
What is this for Dutch? Kiss Marry Kill??? 😂😂😂
Thought it was fuck Marry kill lol
Eric Bischoff|Jim Cornette|Paul Heyman|Vince Russo vs Shahin Khan|Tony Khan|Shane McMahon|Vince McMahon
Is this even a question? I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of wrestling but I know Jim Cornette is the best choice.
Cornette is the smartest wrestling mind going now. he would be a benefit to any company.
Hire Eric. Fire Russo. Jim as a one off.
Jim Cornette is Stuck in the 80s Wrestling.
Vince Russo is Stuck in the 90s Wrestling.
Eric Bishoff don’t give two Sh*ts about Todays wrestling.
I would pick Eric Just Because he knows how to Get to ppl.
He gets it. Would I let Him have Full Control absolutely NOT.
Completely agree
Russo definitely could do long term booking, The Rock joining the Corporation, Austin Vs Vince and Taker Vs Kane were all storylines with plenty of forethought with satisfying payoffs.
What has this guy done in wreslting? All above this guy!
Cornette & Russo = WWE Raw in 1997
Russo = WWE Raw 1998 / 1999
Bischoff = WCW
All 3 together would be great
Cornette may have biases and anger problem but I would still bring him in to book. He’s always had a good mind for the business and would try and book believable angles.
He finally gives up and answers his own question.
I think Bischoff would be great today. He seems to have grown, matured and gotten a lot wiser now.
If Cornette could keep his temper in check… he would be my number 1 pick. Russo isn’t even on the radar.
I couldn’t see Dutch picking anyone other than Cornette. Bischoff seems like he’s more of a fun guy to work with but he produces TV, not so much books wrestling. Russo would take things too far which is why he couldn’t be trusted.
If Dutch seriously has to weigh considerations for these three human beings i am slightly concerned… one of these things is not like the other…
1. The planet’s most knowledgable wrestling historian who has worked every possible job in the wrestling business (and earned each role organically, nonetheless); or 2 & 3: Conning, Compulsively Lying, Egotistical Bozos who like to manipulate pretty women and vulnerable people to make drama / reality TV… 🤔🧐 tough choice.
@@SCUBAsTeEb22if you watched SMW or even ROH when he was the booker, you'll see that most of Cornette's booking is pretty novice in that he rehashes old storylines from other promotions. That's fine but it does get uncreative and stagnant to a degree.
He's a great historian but that doesn't mean he can book well. Bischoff is a grifter who never learned anything about the business. Russo is just a flat out moron.
@@RobHiggard i have seen every single episode of SMW available on the internet today and it is far and away my favorite wrestling promotion and show broadcasted on cable ever for that matter
@@RobHiggard i personally think Cornette’s booking honors the true spirit of wrestling and entertainment to the absolute fullest. Very curious to hear your opinions on some specific examples of his “novice” booking
@@SCUBAsTeEb22 In ROH, he introduced a lot of weird gimmicks like using chloroform on opponents to win, introducing cash challenge matches, booking alot of older talent like the Headbangers, Rhino and Lance Storm that the fans didn't care for, and pushed a bland talent as their world champion for over a year that lead to a decrease in ticket sales and overall general unhappiness with the ROH fan base.
SMW wasn't nearly as terrible. It was safe booking southern wrestling, but it felt out of date in '92 and never really had a chance to survive long term. No real memorable feuds that get talked about today but nothing egregious. At a time when fans were craving "Attitude", Cornette had no clue how to deliver anything other than "traditionalist" booking.
"Hey, bro, here's my idea ..."
I would take Jim Cornette, not to have him necessarily book, but just have him tell me old stories and angles that people haven't done in a while and then take those and modernize them.
Jim has some stubborn opinions that I don't agree with but Cornette all the way
I don't think WWE knows what theyre doing a year in advance. That's how it used to be. They're better at it now, but we've hear hundreds of stories about things getting changed the day before or even the same day. It was probably mostly a Vince thing and now that HHH is running things the creative has gotten better.
James is right, COrnette is head and shoulders above the other 2, but he is old school and has biases. I think even Jim would say that.
Bishoff can work with networks and production!
Cornette in Booking and creative!
Russo can sit with the fans.
Hire Cornette, Pop the rating with Cornette, then fire Cornette.
He's the only one of the three with any value left.
Bischoff easily. TNA 2011 through 2013 was the most profitable and viewed time period in that company history.
I love Cornette's opinions and knowledge but he has a reputation as a boring booker.
i wish wcw 2001 worked out, i feel bad for all the young guys they were pushing just to lose everything.
People say Cornette had old ideas but he knows wrestling and the foundation stays basically the same. Cornette is a wrestling genius. I grew up hating him like I hate his political views now.
I whole-heartedly believe there are fans who can write better shows that the "chosen guru's" of the industry. That narrative that you need to be a long time wrestling booker to write a good show is just insane. I probably couldn't promote a good show, but writing a good show is for artists and storytellers, not the self proclaimed business geniuses who claim they know what fans want more than the people actually paying for the shows and spending their time discussing the content with other fans. Luke JR saying that fans have no business booking shows, because they don't know the business as well as him, meanwhile one of the biggest marks of all time is signing his paychecks while Jim glazes him all over the internet. Wrestling storytelling isn't rocket science boys. It's soap opera level acting. I think most fans could probably write a decent wrestling show and I think if we're being honest, most fans skilled at story telling would probably pass the guys making these claims by leaps and bounds.
Hire Cornette
I have heard Cornette book amazing ideas to fix AEW and WWE booking problems on the fly. He is obviously the most capable of the 3.
1:40 😂😅😂😅😂YES I COULDNT TAKE ALL THOSE "BRO" EITHER!!! Good one Dutch
Easy choice for me: Eric Bischoff.
Out of the three, definitely the one I'll be able to get along with pretty well, not a hot head and prone to outbursts and most crucially, HE ACTUALLY PIONEERED A WEEKLY SHOW TO BEAT WWE.
I'd stay away from Eric Bischoff all because he was educated by Hulk Hogan and is stubborn on that fact of Hogan's mindset of the business
Ya gotta love Cornys shirt lol. They basically doing the marriage ,f, kill game wrestling style. Love Cornette since NWA and Smokey Mountain. He knew how to do hardcore matches right as gimmick matches and storytelling with it so it didnt get old. Im not saying i wasnt up at 3am on a Saturday night watching old school Eastern/Extreme Championship Wrestling but still he placed the matches properly
Cornette has a temperament of an out of control child! Hey Cornette, you are NOT Always RIGHT!
I’d bring in Corny because he’s NWA thru and thru.
RAW and SMACKDOWN would be fireballs and heel managers galore.
All of the chogokin franky in Japan are broken because of the typhoons in Japan the chogoink franky all broken in Japan. Love you Zeb. Love you.💜💜💜
I would use Cornette as an consultant. He wouldn't have any power, but I would listen to his suggestions. I couldn't hire Cornette in any position of power because his constant bias against wrestlers who do not meet his lofty standards. I would hire Bischoff simply because he knows how to promote a business. Like it or not, he was partially responsible for WcW being a success. I would definitely hire Russo, for all the crap that he did, he cared about getting younger talent over. I would act as a filter for his ideas. As long as I was in position to filter his ideas then I would hire him. The only person who wouldn't have access to the wrestlers is Cornette simply because he cannot remain inpartial.
I think Cornette is the most qualified of these 3.
Late 2011 and 2012 TNA actually had a lot of good stuff. But I think Russo was demoted in favor of Pritchard by that time. Bully Ray, Austin Aries as champ, Roode vs Storm, Angle + AJ vs Bad Influence (if you ignore Claire Lynch).
I would take Cornette because he cares about the business more than the other two.
You hire Cornette to set the long term structure and fine tune the details, you bring in Bischoff to put a modern skin on Corny’s ideas, and you just skin Russo.
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Apologize to Russo, suck up to Bischoff and cut a scathing promo on Cornette.
Calling Cornette “behind the times” is hilarious, considering what he says works is what WWE has pivoted to in their serious angles and, magically, they are making money. He said what doesn’t work, AEW has kept doing it and their business is in the shitter. So much for being behind the times.
I can’t understand why people think so highly about Russo. Russo was not the only creative guy working for WWE during the attitude era. Russo was also the one who ruined WCW.
I would love to have seen Jim cornette in his prime, with the money and politics out of the way, run a wrestling promotion without interference.
Obviously the choice is Cornette but he wouldn't be your partner you'd be his sidekick.
Cornette's never had success booking in the big leagues. Russo and Bischoff have had more success than anyone else in history. I'd pick Bischoff.
Can’t wait to hear Cornette’s comments
Russo needs to grow up and stop with the childish "hey bro" nonsense
Jim cornette because at least he has a wrestling history mind. He would be great as a advisor. Bischoff really got lucky is all. Here's a blank check make our company work. Russo has always been a good hype man but that's it
Cornette is not behind the times by any means idk why he said that. Jim knows good wrestling and storylines, he knows how to lay it out but if the people executing it don't hold up their end he gets pissed, as would anyone! Jim also hates the fact there's 2 Royal Rumble matches on the same show and the fact there's two MITB matches on one show. He hates when gimmicks are overused or in his terms "Putting a hat on a hat"
Simple.
Hire Cornette.
Fire Russo.
One Off Bischoff.
Dutch makes it seem that Cornette just snaps like an irrational person. Listen, the guy is serious and smart about wrestling.
Cornette would be the guy.
I'd hire Cornette hands down
Hire Cornette, unalive Russo, marry Bischoff
I’d take Bishof but don’t give him the check book but Dutch is correct he wouldn’t be good at creating an angle but he does know good ones
Hands down Jim Cornette 🙌 but have him focus on booking and maybe every blue moon come on screen as a talent but main focus on booking 😊
I would not hire any of the 3 of them. They are incompetent.
If I ran a wrestling company I would hire Paul Heyman period. He is the BEST In the industry. Tell me if I’m telling lies. 😅
I put Cornette and Russo in the same room and film it.
Easy...hire Jim.
Cornette helps book, bischoff in charge of the actual TV production
1:41 I bumped into Russo in the mall a few years back. We had a MAYBE 10min chat & I swear to you, Dutch, he called me bro at LEAST a dozen times... it's like he uses the word as a comma!
Had an joke idea that tony kahn couldn't book a gm mode. Would love to see a competition between Dutch corny and some third party where they play gm mode .
i'd hire russo and do what vince did smooth the edges off his ideas for a one shot bishoff and fire cornette after he sets the basic fundermental structure before he offends everyone
I dislike Cornette,I wouldn t tolerate being next to him,even so the man is a genius,I would hire him if he d want to work for my company,I d pay him well but I d be aware of his hot temper...he is an all around wrestling genius.
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easily cornette is the best between those 3 love his podcast as well