I know what you mean. I’ve been a fan for 60 years. The decisions NASCAR has made in the last few years has made me bitter towards the sport I’ve loved almost my entire life.
@@deliriouswhome1 So if "it happens all the time ", you're cool with it? Or are you just stating an observation? IMO This is clearly a horrible look for the sport, NO MATTER how common it is or was.
@@oscarjimenezsr.560 most of the drivers today have no talent. They are the offspring of someone rich or an old washed up driver. It’s boring racing with a script. Watch Tyler Erb in the late model much more entertaining lol.
The 24, 1, 3, 23 and 20 should all be disqualified. this is no different than what Micheal Waltrip's team did to try to get Martin Truex Jr. in the playoffs one year. They pretty much destroyed Waltrip over the same type of antics. Wake up NASCAR you're becoming a damn bad joke!
The 20 did nothing wrong and was screwed over for Hendricks! That was NOTHING like what Ross did. Sure he got into the wall but you could plainly here he was out of the gas and once he got composed and gassed up he pulled off the wall unlike Ross just slams the wall and stays on the gas against the wall for dang near a quarter of a lap!
Actually it's alittle different then what waltrips team did. He had a driver purposely spin out to bring the caution out. At Martinsville they just didn't pass Byron and held up the 6. The 6 could of put the bumper to everyone in front of him. Not saying I agree with what they did but it was alittle different.
@ Go back and watch it if you can. He was not in the gas when he hit the wall and never got back on the gas till he gathered it up, you can plainly hear it from the incar camera.
NASCAR, how about disqualifying an owner from the owners championship if, at any point in the season, one of their teams tries to manipulate a race. That would stop it.
Fewer and fewer people care anymore. Older fans certainly don't care because this garbage is caused by the playoff format which is a joke. Chevy helps Chevy and Toyota helps Toyota, so what??? You have NONE of this crap without a playoff system!!!
I wish a very rich fan would make an offer to buy NASCAR that the France family couldn't refuse, we are literally watching heavy gt cars pretending To be oval track cars race.... So sad.
@the playoffs in the end of each round causes more chance of manipulation. The playoffs is absolutely ridiculous and makes for a meaningless championship. The playoffs have completely ruined the credibility of the championship. Each playoffs champion should have an asterisk next to their name.
At those tracks everyone still wants to win despite working together They all give 100% chevy for chevy ford for ford Plus the tracks are big Here blocking the track looks ridiculous
Brad K and Mark Martin are absolutely right Mark Martin said what a s*** show if NASCAR doesn't fix this and there's precedent to fix it after Richmond 2013 they can put a driver in and they can take a driver out no one's going to watch Nascar it's going to become professional wrestling
There is no way that 2 Chevys were going to pass Byron and eliminate the last Chevy from the playoffs. I'm shocked that people seem to believe this hasn't been going on for as long as I've been alive.
I remember Toyota doing this one year.. but suddenly people are upset. I guess anything to be mad over.. The absolutely funny thing. If Byron is disqualified, Larson gets in. So these people crying about Hendrick , won't be happy either way.
Exactly all they had to do was line up behind #24 and not pass him the #20 would of had to done stuff not allowed with Nascar ain't nothing wrong with not passing the manufacturer of the car that they drive for
@@deliriouswhome1 It's standard tactics in restrictor plate racing. Intentional crashing or slowing way off pace is manipulation. Using other drivers from the same manufacturer as tail gunners is racing.
I hate to say this but I'm with Denny Hamlin on this: I don't care about the championship, I care about race wins. We are talking about this when Ryan Blaney put on a damn clinic on that last run. The racing all night was fantastic. If you are a race fan, the fight between the 12, 9 and 5 was great to watch. Congrats on the big win Blaney! Everyone thought the 9 had it and you came out of nowhere like Kevin Harvick!
So how many times,now have you said that🤷i bet your Dumas said you was going to quit watching the news too but you faithfully turn it on first thing EVERY DAY🤷😂✌😎
Larson fans continue embarrassing themselves. Nascar is the best its ever been minus the boring and lame Hendrick drivers bringing down the sport. Nascar doesnt want fans like you anymore
24 1 3 should be disqualified. Nascar aided Chevy and Hendricks by not black flagging the cheaters for 25 or 30 laps. If they did Bell wouldn't have had to pass anyone. There were 5 or 6 cars lined up to pass Byron. Nascar did not follow their own rules. Hendrick got a car in though and that's what they wanted.
Wonder what the moonshiners who raced back in the day and eventually started NASCAR think about the playoffs? I'm sure they'd be shaking their heads and saying "This ain't corn whiskey"
So NASCAR has a bad reputation for not making race day decisions. But when it comes to a chance to change results to get a Hendricks driver in they jump on it. Now from the very same race they will wait to investigate the very same Hendricks cars race manipulation.... I couldn't think of a way to better embarrass yourself nascar.....
This whole season has been a joke for NASCAR with all of the controversies. I can't think of a single race say for Iowa and Watkins Glen that things were clean. If the Championship is determined under some stupid circumstances, NASCAR is done because they ain't winning the lawsuit when making dumb calls. That makes them look incompetent beyond belief.
I really wish they would go to 5 playoff drivers with one being a a guaranteed spot to the best driver of the year (most wins or most points in the event of a tie)
100% agree with you. Disqualify Byron, Wallace, Bell, Chastain, and Dillon. NASCAR needs to follow it's own rulebook. I'm a hardcore fan of the sport but NASCAR has become more full of crap as time goes on. You can't have rules then override them with the carefully worded leverage clauses. It's crap.
Hope Nascar makes right call. Both the 20 and 24 should be disqualified for race manipulation. Ain't a new rule.
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Unfortunately the 20 and 24 did not manipulate anything so how do you disqualify them? The 20 made a mistake after he passed the 23 by riding the wall.
The playoffs were created due to the massive fan outrage over Matt Kenseth being crowned the 2003 champion while winning ZERO races that year. There was also the issue that too many years the championship was decided several races before the season ended which killed interest in the last races of the season. This format is garbage, but I would guess there will be just as much unrest if you went back. No one is ever happy with the way a champion is crowned which is why every major racing series (except maybe the NHRA, I have no clue what they do) has gone through changes to answer fan complaints. BTW, this is not exclusive to car racing. The NBA, MLB, and NFL, NHL, and NCAA have all played with their playoff formats to try and generate more interest. And all have inevitably resulted in fan complaints.
@@americanbadass88 Yeah, I am sure Penske, Handrick, Gibbs, and all the other owners are willing to allow NASCAR to script the results. That conspiracy theory is too outlandish to be believed.
NASCAR you are at best a sick joke with your officiating. The manipulation of the race by Chevy teams HMS,Trackhouse and RCR is a complete disgrace to racing. The half hour that it took for NASCAR to make a call is probably the amount of time it took HMS to make a deposit in NASCAR's bank account. Ross is one of my favorite drivers but after "the deal", I have lost respect for him as well. And to be clear I haven't had respect for RCR after Harvick left and the HMS teams, were never ones that I would support. Chevy is a disgrace to what they used to be. So the manipulation of the finish of the race all three team should be parked for the final race. All three were guilty and NASCAR is just as guilty with their foolish call. It was obviously planned out. After all the radio transmission referred to it as "the deal." And if NASCAR lets their call stand then the are just as guilty as the other three organizations that manipulate the finish. Which would NOT be a surprise at all. On the other side was Christopher Bell and Bubba Wallace. I don't know if the 23 really had a tire going down or not but that wouldn't have been hard to check. I mean NASCAR has their noses in everything else so there is no reason they couldn't have gone over to the 23 and checked the tire pressures. And as far as Bell hitting the wall, in my mind wasn't the same thing Ross did. Yes he did hit the wall, and he did ride the wall a short distance but it wasn't a Ross wall ride. If the 23 didn't have a tire going down then that manipulation is no better than the HMS, RCR and Trackhouse's manipulation. If all parties are guilty then all parties should be parked for the final race and a 100 points penalty per car per team to start next year, instead of NASCAR letting this act of manipulation go or give HMS the spot in the final four. No other driver should be added and it would be the final three. It is sad that this has happened again in NASCAR and to be honest it is NASCAR's fault. If you park all those who are guilty the next race and dock them 100 to start next year plus if they win a race, their first win would not be counted either just as the 3's win didn't count towards the Championship run this year a Richmond then this kind of manipulation would probably not be a problem. In the end a great race was overshadowed by controversy again and it was the fans who lost out. Blessings to our great Country and to all of the awesome race fans. Take care and may GOD bless 🙏✝️🙏
Where was the "move over" flag for Dillon and Chastain, then the black flag if they didn't move over. It was obvious for more than 20 laps they were holding up cars that were behind them.
The move over flag can only be applied to cars that are down a lap. It is intended to be a warning that the leader is coming up, and ignoring it is not a requirement.
Hey NASCAR , Kyle Larson should be in! Im just about so fcking done with this "motorsports entertainment" , i only follow it because i am a lifelong fan.
Hamlins throttle didn't stick. How does the pole sitter just crap out on a track he is always good at? Why was the 77 hanging double file with Keselowski for so many laps when he had nothing to gain, he was 2 laps down?
Hendrick would still be in , if Bryon was disqualified. 🙄 Kyle Larson is next guy up.. People acting like this first time manufacturers have blocked for each other. It occurs all the time cry baby.
It's a scam. They had to have a Chevrolet in there. And I'm a Chevrolet man. But they should have penalized both drivers and the next one on the board would have been. Kyle Larson put him in the fourth spot
One million percent! He’s hands down the best driver that stock car racing has had in a long time, some might say in all racing period… Just the fact that he won six races some of them by narrow margins shows he’s more equipped to run for a championship and dammit should have been given a shot. I’d like to see them change the playoff format to include five divers with one being the overall best driver of the year either the most wins or most points if there’s a tie IMO 🤷🏼♀️
@ his pit crew screwed him over in Las Vegas.. but over all his abilities to drive in so many disciplines (dirt, open wheel, sports cars, stock cars etc) not too many drivers can succeed at more then one type. Only a handful of drivers can and do. Take a guy like Kobayashi who’s driven several different styles most famously F1, and SuperFormula, but has only had real success with WEC and endurance racing. Kyle has won in dirt and GT cars plus let’s not forget he already won a championship in nascar.
He passed a toyota who slowed way down to let Bell go by. They both manipulated, Bell then stupidly smashed on the gas while he crashed getting himself into trouble. Neither driver deserves the spot.
Its been done for years. Nascar has let it go. So now they decide to act? I do think both teams did try to alter the outcome. There are probably a lot of things that happen we don't know about. Winning a championship is important.
Damage is done?? Nope, hand out some damage of your own, Nascar. Sit Dillon and Chastain's teams down for the rest of the season. Period. Then take ALL of Toyota's points. Period. Stop pussyfooting around. Who's in charge??
Years ago Harry Gant won 4 in a row. Announcers said he was the hottest driver in Nascar. Years later they talked about a car having a mechanical advantage like Harry Gant's car years ago. They never mentioned his advantage during the streak. Announcers know many things affecting race outcomes but only tell us what they decide we Need to Know.
Where have some of you “fans” been? This has been going in for years. Teammates will ALWAYS help teammates, and manufacturer drivers will ALWAYS help each other. That’s how is always been, and that’s how it’s going to be. If I’m driving a Chevrolet, I’m NOT passing another Chevrolet driver if if helps a Toyota, or ford. Likewise if I’m driving a Ford, or Toyota. Those manufacturers are putting MILLIONS of dollars into your race car, so you need to be loyal to whatever brand you’re driving for. That’s just the way it is, like it or not.
Maybe the Toyota boys in the championship race will take out the 24 like Denny said you want to play that way we can play that way and manipulate the championship race
There should be a rule against all that crap unfortunately the only rule that is currently on the books is no wall rides to advance or maintain postion
I found it odd that Kyle Busch asked about the current points situation with about 50-75 laps to go. I found it equally odd that his spotter fired back with the current points situation immediately. It seems the corruption runs deep.
When I was 17 years old in 1994, I would never miss a single lap. I was also heavily into dirt late models at the same time. I would notice how at times some of the Nascar tv comentators even back then would sneer at dirt track racing and make snide comments about the dirt late model scene. Well it has came back to bite them in the ass. Look at all the excitement from the DLM races from just this past weekend, vs what happened with nas-crap. When I think of how far Nascar has fallen, I remember John Belushi in The Blues Brothers when he was admonishing Murph And The Magic Tones "You used to be the backbone, the nerve center of something great, now look at you in those candy ass monkey suits!"
If the Chevy teams hadn’t manipulated the last 20 laps, or more, and continued to try to advance their positions, Bell wouldn’t have need to pass Bubba, and Bubba wouldn’t have needed to pull over. And I truly believe NASCAR made their decision so that Chevrolet would be represented in the final 4. Otherwise it would have been 2 Fords and @ Toyotas. I used to go to 6 races a year, but find it hard to even watch on TV with all of the politics and manufacture’s pressure effecting race outcomes.
Byron owner signed the charter agreement and has 4 cars. Wallace owner didn’t. So I’m sure that didn’t have anything to do with their decision. Wink wink
We have video of Jeff Gordon bragging about manufacturers protecting each other, even when they are on different teams. NASCAR needs to take a super hard look at whether or not they'll support blocking or "pulling over" like Bubba did, in the playoffs. This is b.s.
What is Nascar supposed to do? The Chevy,Ford, and Toyota teams have been doing this for years. Just watch Dayton and Talladega. The 1 and 3 aren't teammates to the 24. I haven't heard of a rule that you have to pass the car in front of you.
I stopped watching races when the regular season ends years ago. I think they've ALWAYS manipulated races for as long as they've had the stupid playoffs! Its just never been this blatantly obvious. When the final race always came down to the final two finishing first and second something was fishy to me.
The #48 spun the #77 to bring out a caution. That was the start of manipulating the race to help a playoff driver. Yelp, Chase Elliot was the one and there were probably some other cars that it may have helped also. I wonder if NASCAR monitored the radio of the #48. The rest of the race had some manipulation from the #1 #3 and #23. I feel sorry for the #20 car in the end. Then there was #6 put in a situation of bumping the #3 spinning those cars out and bringing out a caution which would have put the #12 Ford driver in a situation. Now Ford has two cars in the final 4 championship run.
NARCAR is making it really difficult to be a fan of NASCAR.
This isn't the first time a manufacturer blocked so one thier cars advances.. it literally happens all the time.
They will never do anything about it.
I know what you mean. I’ve been a fan for 60 years. The decisions NASCAR has made in the last few years has made me bitter towards the sport I’ve loved almost my entire life.
@@deliriouswhome1
So if "it happens all the time ", you're cool with it?
Or are you just stating an observation?
IMO
This is clearly a horrible look for the sport, NO MATTER how common it is or was.
They dont want you as a fan then. Nascar is the best its ever been minus the boring and lame Hendrick drivers bringing down the sport.
Brad K is 100% correct. I hope alot of people make a huge deal out of this.
From what I've seen this year, folk been raising hell over the playoffs but then you'll have shills like Dave Moody and Larry McReynolds defend it
Brad Keselowski is a man of the people…🏁🇺🇸
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This a very bad look for NASCAR... Ask Michael Waltrip how this can affect your business. 1,3 and 23 need severe penalties.
@@BradKeselowski6 Funny 8-15 years ago most of the nascar fans hated Brad Keselowski. Good times but I agree with Brad still.
this isn't the kind of championships Richard Petty and Dale Sr won
Nope its a joke and ruins the championship credibility.
Because they want WWE scripted style championship than a real championship battle.
@@oscarjimenezsr.560 most of the drivers today have no talent. They are the offspring of someone rich or an old washed up driver. It’s boring racing with a script. Watch Tyler Erb in the late model much more entertaining lol.
This is a manufacture issue, they need punished!
People need to watch the old racing to see real racing
This is why the stands were half empty this season
And they give away a bunch of tickets as well
This group that is overseeing NASCAR are completely incompetent.
Elton Sawyer was a sub par driver in his day and is a sub par competition director today.
Couldn’t have said it better. He’s a Clown!!!
I couldn’t said it any better. He’s a Clown!!!
The 24, 1, 3, 23 and 20 should all be disqualified. this is no different than what Micheal Waltrip's team did to try to get Martin Truex Jr. in the playoffs one year. They pretty much destroyed Waltrip over the same type of antics. Wake up NASCAR you're becoming a damn bad joke!
Exactly this. Anything less is inconsistent, unfair, and sends the message that the entire rulebook is written with a wink and a nudge.
The 20 did nothing wrong and was screwed over for Hendricks! That was NOTHING like what Ross did. Sure he got into the wall but you could plainly here he was out of the gas and once he got composed and gassed up he pulled off the wall unlike Ross just slams the wall and stays on the gas against the wall for dang near a quarter of a lap!
@@Trucking4Freedom What I saw from in-car was that the 20 accelerated and used the wall to help turn the car. That's likely why they penalized the 20.
Actually it's alittle different then what waltrips team did. He had a driver purposely spin out to bring the caution out. At Martinsville they just didn't pass Byron and held up the 6. The 6 could of put the bumper to everyone in front of him. Not saying I agree with what they did but it was alittle different.
@ Go back and watch it if you can. He was not in the gas when he hit the wall and never got back on the gas till he gathered it up, you can plainly hear it from the incar camera.
NASCAR took a SPORT
And made it a GAME!
Cute profile pic. Mr. Edgelord
That is true of EVERY so-called professional sport. Once big money becomes involved, they become entertainment to keep generating the big money.
NASCAR, how about disqualifying an owner from the owners championship if, at any point in the season, one of their teams tries to manipulate a race. That would stop it.
Fewer and fewer people care anymore. Older fans certainly don't care because this garbage is caused by the playoff format which is a joke. Chevy helps Chevy and Toyota helps Toyota, so what??? You have NONE of this crap without a playoff system!!!
Exactly
I wish a very rich fan would make an offer to buy NASCAR that the France family couldn't refuse, we are literally watching heavy gt cars pretending To be oval track cars race.... So sad.
No if they used the old points systems they can and would still do race manipulation. The way to stop it is for nascar to DQ the teams involved
@the playoffs in the end of each round causes more chance of manipulation. The playoffs is absolutely ridiculous and makes for a meaningless championship. The playoffs have completely ruined the credibility of the championship. Each playoffs champion should have an asterisk next to their name.
@@1400hpnextgen7 you would still have manipulation nascar needs to grow some balls and take control back from the networks and manufacturers
I honestly don’t see what’s the point because in Daytona and Talladega they work together to get the manufacturer a win so what’s the difference?
At those tracks everyone still wants to win despite working together
They all give 100% chevy for chevy ford for ford
Plus the tracks are big
Here blocking the track looks ridiculous
manufacturers who work together, and race manipulation are two different things.
At Daytona and Talladega you can't block the whole track. Plus they work together the whole race instead of a few short laps.
Brad K and Mark Martin are absolutely right Mark Martin said what a s*** show if NASCAR doesn't fix this and there's precedent to fix it after Richmond 2013 they can put a driver in and they can take a driver out no one's going to watch Nascar it's going to become professional wrestling
There is no way that 2 Chevys were going to pass Byron and eliminate the last Chevy from the playoffs. I'm shocked that people seem to believe this hasn't been going on for as long as I've been alive.
I remember Toyota doing this one year.. but suddenly people are upset.
I guess anything to be mad over..
The absolutely funny thing. If Byron is disqualified, Larson gets in.
So these people crying about Hendrick , won't be happy either way.
Its because bell didn’t get away with cheating. They’re just angry.
Exactly all they had to do was line up behind #24 and not pass him the #20 would of had to done stuff not allowed with Nascar ain't nothing wrong with not passing the manufacturer of the car that they drive for
@@deliriouswhome1 It's standard tactics in restrictor plate racing. Intentional crashing or slowing way off pace is manipulation. Using other drivers from the same manufacturer as tail gunners is racing.
@@1400hpnextgen7😂😂😂😂😂 like Hendricks did huh?
I hate to say this but I'm with Denny Hamlin on this: I don't care about the championship, I care about race wins. We are talking about this when Ryan Blaney put on a damn clinic on that last run. The racing all night was fantastic. If you are a race fan, the fight between the 12, 9 and 5 was great to watch. Congrats on the big win Blaney! Everyone thought the 9 had it and you came out of nowhere like Kevin Harvick!
Sad that this will overshadow what was a brilliant drive by Blaney.
I'm done with Nascar after tonight. It's nothing but a scripted event. NASCAR is over.
So how many times,now have you said that🤷i bet your Dumas said you was going to quit watching the news too but you faithfully turn it on first thing EVERY DAY🤷😂✌😎
Larson fans continue embarrassing themselves. Nascar is the best its ever been minus the boring and lame Hendrick drivers bringing down the sport. Nascar doesnt want fans like you anymore
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NASCAR should send the 20 and 24 cars to the rear and move Larson up as the 4th car in
Cope
@@1400hpnextgen7Derrick Cope? He hasn't raced in years. But that would be interesting.
I won’t be surprised if Larson makes the final 4 come Tuesday.
That's what SHOULD happen.
He is a Hendrick car so he likely will.
And so does Bubba Wallace and Christopher Bell deserve to be penalize
I would have to say yes. Bubba clearly entered the corner slow
Clint Bowyers Spingate looks pale in comparison to what happened here.
24 1 3 should be disqualified. Nascar aided Chevy and Hendricks by not black flagging the cheaters for 25 or 30 laps. If they did Bell wouldn't have had to pass anyone. There were 5 or 6 cars lined up to pass Byron. Nascar did not follow their own rules. Hendrick got a car in though and that's what they wanted.
Facts
I agree with you 100% they’re not gonna let Hendricks or Chevy miss the playoffs
Your biggest mistake is thinking that Comcast has any integrity as a major sponsor (Xfinity) or a broadcast partner (NBC).
Just like Jeff Gordon got in because of manipulation Larson should be let in!!!!
Wonder what the moonshiners who raced back in the day and eventually started NASCAR think about the playoffs? I'm sure they'd be shaking their heads and saying "This ain't corn whiskey"
Exactly
Moonshiners never started NASCAR. Bill France a part time driver and promoter started NASCAR
So NASCAR has a bad reputation for not making race day decisions. But when it comes to a chance to change results to get a Hendricks driver in they jump on it. Now from the very same race they will wait to investigate the very same Hendricks cars race manipulation.... I couldn't think of a way to better embarrass yourself nascar.....
This whole season has been a joke for NASCAR with all of the controversies. I can't think of a single race say for Iowa and Watkins Glen that things were clean. If the Championship is determined under some stupid circumstances, NASCAR is done because they ain't winning the lawsuit when making dumb calls. That makes them look incompetent beyond belief.
Bell tried 100% and got penalized
so are they looking the other way with regards to the radio communication in the 3 and the 1?
Both Byron and Bell both needed to be DQ period
I really wish they would go to 5 playoff drivers with one being a a guaranteed spot to the best driver of the year (most wins or most points in the event of a tie)
They WERE talking about the blocking during the race. It went on for over 20 laps!
When they started blocking the race ended and became a parade! NASCAR is the WWE of motorsports!
100% agree with you. Disqualify Byron, Wallace, Bell, Chastain, and Dillon. NASCAR needs to follow it's own rulebook. I'm a hardcore fan of the sport but NASCAR has become more full of crap as time goes on. You can't have rules then override them with the carefully worded leverage clauses. It's crap.
NASCAR: for once make the right call, remove Bell and Byron from the final 4 and make it a final 3!!
I thought they were going to come back with the final 5. Like the year Jeff Gordon DESERVED to be in the Chase & we had 13 cars instead of 12.
John you are Spot On. Collusion and I am wondering if NASCAR is involved ? We will see later this week 😉
Conspiracy theorist?
@1400hpnextgen7 the fact they have the radio communication and did nothing is proof,no conspiracy
@@Paulprosser-c3t wheres your data?
@@1400hpnextgen7 you can hear it on the radios.
@@Paulprosser-c3tnot proof
No matter what now, the 2024 Cup Championship is tarnished
They should suffer the same penalty NASCAR gave to the Michael Waltrip team years ago.
Should dq bell and Byran Larsen moves on only fair
Nascar has been letting their golden boys cheat for at least the last 40 years, that is why I stopped watching.
"We have a shit show here." - Mark Martin 11/3/2024 #5 is the Champion!
I hope NASCAR does away with the playoffs and the charter system. I don't mind the stages per say. But the playoffs need to be abolished.
I feel like bell hit the wall trying to make the pass look legit and then lost it 😂
Hope Nascar makes right call. Both the 20 and 24 should be disqualified for race manipulation. Ain't a new rule.
Unfortunately the 20 and 24 did not manipulate anything so how do you disqualify them? The 20 made a mistake after he passed the 23 by riding the wall.
I really wish Nascrap would go back to the way the points used to be this shit is a joke
They been trying to replicate the 92 finale for 30 years and STILL can't do it even when they script the outcome
The playoffs were created due to the massive fan outrage over Matt Kenseth being crowned the 2003 champion while winning ZERO races that year. There was also the issue that too many years the championship was decided several races before the season ended which killed interest in the last races of the season. This format is garbage, but I would guess there will be just as much unrest if you went back. No one is ever happy with the way a champion is crowned which is why every major racing series (except maybe the NHRA, I have no clue what they do) has gone through changes to answer fan complaints.
BTW, this is not exclusive to car racing. The NBA, MLB, and NFL, NHL, and NCAA have all played with their playoff formats to try and generate more interest. And all have inevitably resulted in fan complaints.
@@americanbadass88 Yeah, I am sure Penske, Handrick, Gibbs, and all the other owners are willing to allow NASCAR to script the results. That conspiracy theory is too outlandish to be believed.
This is a stain will never be rinsed out. Pretty sad. It was a little too obvious.
THe 24 and 20 should be diqualified and the 5 car should be given the 4th spot
NASCAR you are at best a sick joke with your officiating. The manipulation of the race by Chevy teams HMS,Trackhouse and RCR is a complete disgrace to racing. The half hour that it took for NASCAR to make a call is probably the amount of time it took HMS to make a deposit in NASCAR's bank account. Ross is one of my favorite drivers but after "the deal", I have lost respect for him as well. And to be clear I haven't had respect for RCR after Harvick left and the HMS teams, were never ones that I would support. Chevy is a disgrace to what they used to be. So the manipulation of the finish of the race all three team should be parked for the final race. All three were guilty and NASCAR is just as guilty with their foolish call. It was obviously planned out. After all the radio transmission referred to it as "the deal." And if NASCAR lets their call stand then the are just as guilty as the other three organizations that manipulate the finish. Which would NOT be a surprise at all.
On the other side was Christopher Bell and Bubba Wallace. I don't know if the 23 really had a tire going down or not but that wouldn't have been hard to check. I mean NASCAR has their noses in everything else so there is no reason they couldn't have gone over to the 23 and checked the tire pressures. And as far as Bell hitting the wall, in my mind wasn't the same thing Ross did. Yes he did hit the wall, and he did ride the wall a short distance but it wasn't a Ross wall ride. If the 23 didn't have a tire going down then that manipulation is no better than the HMS, RCR and Trackhouse's manipulation. If all parties are guilty then all parties should be parked for the final race and a 100 points penalty per car per team to start next year, instead of NASCAR letting this act of manipulation go or give HMS the spot in the final four. No other driver should be added and it would be the final three.
It is sad that this has happened again in NASCAR and to be honest it is NASCAR's fault. If you park all those who are guilty the next race and dock them 100 to start next year plus if they win a race, their first win would not be counted either just as the 3's win didn't count towards the Championship run this year a Richmond then this kind of manipulation would probably not be a problem.
In the end a great race was overshadowed by controversy again and it was the fans who lost out. Blessings to our great Country and to all of the awesome race fans. Take care and may GOD bless 🙏✝️🙏
You sir need a crying towel.
They should have kicked both byron & bell out & let Kyle take the spot 🤷♂️
They should park the teams for the next RACE
This is why I don’t watch NASCAR, just give them all a trophy.
NASCAR will not be doing anything. The 24 3 and 1 all need to be suspended for 10 races.
The manipulation of the playoffs is proof the playoff system is pure BS.
Don't hit the wall or you will be disqualified if you don't lift.
Because it concerns a Hendricks car. Only reason
NASCAR had to get a Hendricks car in the final race. End of story !
Where was the "move over" flag for Dillon and Chastain, then the black flag if they didn't move over. It was obvious for more than 20 laps they were holding up cars that were behind them.
The move over flag can only be applied to cars that are down a lap. It is intended to be a warning that the leader is coming up, and ignoring it is not a requirement.
Nascar and the Harris campaign have lots in common.
Sawyer needs to go
Exactly
Exactly
also the France family sell the series too.
Same with the two Steves
You have to bring back the Consistency points system! This isn't racing.
Hey NASCAR , Kyle Larson should be in! Im just about so fcking done with this "motorsports entertainment" , i only follow it because i am a lifelong fan.
When NASCAR goes to court tomorrow they should be screaming Bubba is messing up races 😂😂
Huge fines & banned from the rest of the 2024 Season.
Just remember, this don’t happen at the local dirt track folks, if you like nascar that’s your own dumb asphalt
Hamlins throttle didn't stick. How does the pole sitter just crap out on a track he is always good at? Why was the 77 hanging double file with Keselowski for so many laps when he had nothing to gain, he was 2 laps down?
Christopher Bell broke the rules
This bullshits is being done on Purpose. Hendrick buys another chance to win a championship
Cry some more
You need a crying towel
Byron is not going to win it no worries
@@Paulprosser-c3t famous last words
Hendrick would still be in , if Bryon was disqualified. 🙄
Kyle Larson is next guy up..
People acting like this first time manufacturers have blocked for each other. It occurs all the time cry baby.
F1 finally learned years back you can't control team orders..
@6:03 .. you said "it's malice or gross incompetency.." ... & then there's Money ... !!BLING!!
It's manipulation playoffs. Horrible system that NASCAR has in place.
It's a scam. They had to have a Chevrolet in there. And I'm a Chevrolet man. But they should have penalized both drivers and the next one on the board would have been. Kyle Larson put him in the fourth spot
Put Larson in
One million percent! He’s hands down the best driver that stock car racing has had in a long time, some might say in all racing period… Just the fact that he won six races some of them by narrow margins shows he’s more equipped to run for a championship and dammit should have been given a shot.
I’d like to see them change the playoff format to include five divers with one being the overall best driver of the year either the most wins or most points if there’s a tie IMO 🤷🏼♀️
@@8309barbielarson didnt make the playoffs so how is he the best?
@ his pit crew screwed him over in Las Vegas.. but over all his abilities to drive in so many disciplines (dirt, open wheel, sports cars, stock cars etc) not too many drivers can succeed at more then one type. Only a handful of drivers can and do. Take a guy like Kobayashi who’s driven several different styles most famously F1, and SuperFormula, but has only had real success with WEC and endurance racing. Kyle has won in dirt and GT cars plus let’s not forget he already won a championship in nascar.
@@8309barbie yet larson didnt make the playoffs this year
Your mom knows Larson is the best!
Nascar is the best its ever been minus the boring and lame Hendrick drivers bringing down the sport.
You are drooling jealously!
Remove the points system. Just go on wins like the old days.
That's a bad call by NASTUPID. Bell should be in 100% he didnt pass anyone after hitting the wall.
Not bad call at all.. he rode the wall. You don't have to actually pass anyone .
He passed a toyota who slowed way down to let Bell go by. They both manipulated, Bell then stupidly smashed on the gas while he crashed getting himself into trouble. Neither driver deserves the spot.
@@dustykh
Bell did everything he needed to do, to win. He only rode the wall because his hand was forced by the cheating Chevys.
Wallace let him by, clearly on purpose. Bell out, Byron out, next in line gets the spot
It was a convenient place and time to get a flat tire.
Its been done for years. Nascar has let it go. So now they decide to act? I do think both teams did try to alter the outcome. There are probably a lot of things that happen we don't know about. Winning a championship is important.
Damage is done?? Nope, hand out some damage of your own, Nascar. Sit Dillon and Chastain's teams down for the rest of the season. Period. Then take ALL of Toyota's points. Period. Stop pussyfooting around. Who's in charge??
Years ago Harry Gant won 4 in a row. Announcers said he was the hottest driver in Nascar. Years later they talked about a car having a mechanical advantage like Harry Gant's car years ago. They never mentioned his advantage during the streak. Announcers know many things affecting race outcomes but only tell us what they decide we Need to Know.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, WHATEVER, GET OVER IT
100% rigged…
The cow is already out why close the gate now
Where have some of you “fans” been? This has been going in for years. Teammates will ALWAYS help teammates, and manufacturer drivers will ALWAYS help each other. That’s how is always been, and that’s how it’s going to be. If I’m driving a Chevrolet, I’m NOT passing another Chevrolet driver if if helps a Toyota, or ford. Likewise if I’m driving a Ford, or Toyota. Those manufacturers are putting MILLIONS of dollars into your race car, so you need to be loyal to whatever brand you’re driving for. That’s just the way it is, like it or not.
Maybe the Toyota boys in the championship race will take out the 24 like Denny said you want to play that way we can play that way and manipulate the championship race
Cool website you should cover 410 sprints too
Thanks! Maybe in the future. It's a one-man operation so can only cover so much.
There should be a rule against all that crap unfortunately the only rule that is currently on the books is no wall rides to advance or maintain postion
What takes them so long to decide. They have a rule book you wrote the book, but you don’t know how to use it.
I found it odd that Kyle Busch asked about the current points situation with about 50-75 laps to go. I found it equally odd that his spotter fired back with the current points situation immediately. It seems the corruption runs deep.
It was initially reported the bell passed the race card driver Wallace to take the spot for final 4
When I was 17 years old in 1994, I would never miss a single lap. I was also heavily into dirt late models at the same time. I would notice how at times some of the Nascar tv comentators even back then would sneer at dirt track racing and make snide comments about the dirt late model scene. Well it has came back to bite them in the ass. Look at all the excitement from the DLM races from just this past weekend, vs what happened with nas-crap. When I think of how far Nascar has fallen, I remember John Belushi in The Blues Brothers when he was admonishing Murph And The Magic Tones "You used to be the backbone, the nerve center of something great, now look at you in those candy ass monkey suits!"
It's Nascar's game. Can't blame drivers for playing it.
You fucked over Christopher Bell. For 12 laps 2 cars blocked the track for so no one could pass Byron. Manipulating the outcome of the race.
If the Chevy teams hadn’t manipulated the last 20 laps, or more, and continued to try to advance their positions, Bell wouldn’t have need to pass Bubba, and Bubba wouldn’t have needed to pull over. And I truly believe NASCAR made their decision so that Chevrolet would be represented in the final 4. Otherwise it would have been 2 Fords and @ Toyotas. I used to go to 6 races a year, but find it hard to even watch on TV with all of the politics and manufacture’s pressure effecting race outcomes.
reminds me of Clint Bower deliberately spinning out in richmond
The only thing going to save NASCAR is sports betting
Its like football they offset the manipulation but riding the wall will penalized
As hard as I try to stay interested in NASCAR at this level, I just can't.
Byron owner signed the charter agreement and has 4 cars. Wallace owner didn’t. So I’m sure that didn’t have anything to do with their decision. Wink wink
We have video of Jeff Gordon bragging about manufacturers protecting each other, even when they are on different teams. NASCAR needs to take a super hard look at whether or not they'll support blocking or "pulling over" like Bubba did, in the playoffs. This is b.s.
Couple of races back , blaney was laps down , blocking for joey , but that's different , Penske can't be questioned
What is Nascar supposed to do? The Chevy,Ford, and Toyota teams have been doing this for years. Just watch Dayton and Talladega. The 1 and 3 aren't teammates to the 24. I haven't heard of a rule that you have to pass the car in front of you.
Take it from one Hendrick driver and give it to another? Does that really do anything? I think the hole team should be penalized.
I stopped watching races when the regular season ends years ago. I think they've ALWAYS manipulated races for as long as they've had the stupid playoffs! Its just never been this blatantly obvious. When the final race always came down to the final two finishing first and second something was fishy to me.
3 team in particular has been in enough trouble this season. Why would you say that over the radio?…
The #48 spun the #77 to bring out a caution. That was the start of manipulating the race to help a playoff driver. Yelp, Chase Elliot was the one and there were probably some other cars that it may have helped also. I wonder if NASCAR monitored the radio of the #48. The rest of the race had some manipulation from the #1 #3 and #23. I feel sorry for the #20 car in the end. Then there was #6 put in a situation of bumping the #3 spinning those cars out and bringing out a caution which would have put the #12 Ford driver in a situation. Now Ford has two cars in the final 4 championship run.